The Warning - CHOKE (live at The Warning Cave) REACTION

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[@fredhinckley8630]

Also, note Ale playing her new 5 string custom Spector bass here. Before the song, they showed everyone her new signature Spector bass "Golden Thunder" which will be on sale shortly. Think about it...she is only16 years old, is a Spector featured artist with her own signature model and has already recorded three studio albums. Amazing.

[@johnpenner2632]

Dani's voice is incredible, THE warning's live shows prove that. These 3 ladies have the "IT" factor times 10. They are going to the top!

[@DaveRod76]

Dudes!!! This proves that this song is going to smoke at a live show!!!!!

[@pablosartor6715]

These sisters are insanely talented and will become rock legends!! This is a sonic tsunami! The live performance was really good considering the completely raw audio of the cave. Viva The Warning!!

[@KansaSCaymanS]

As a fan, I love both versions, but I think the MV is great for introducing the band to the uninitiated because it makes them look like the rock goddesses they are.

[@kevinw2592]

It takes a lifetime of friendship to get the intro timing like that.

[@WelpHereWeAreOnYouTube]

❤️❤️❤️😝😝😝

[@fredhinckley8630]

The third option is watching a live concert performance that was professionally recorded. That is my favorite. You get the live feel, the live sound, and the live "show" they put on. Of course, there is actually being at a live show, but we can't always do that.

[@Chris_G]

So.. The real question is.. Did you catch Dany trying to blind herself with a hair flick just before Ale sings that piece? And she just plowed on through with one eye like the rock star she is. ⚡️ 🤘🏻 💚 🇲🇽

[@iNsTaNtpUdDiNhEaD]

The Dungeon! Hahaha!!! If it's a dungeon, lock me away and chain me to the wall!!! By the way, it is The Warning Cave. I do like this live, raw version as well as I like the studio recorded version, but now I know what I am going to get when I see them in concert (hopefully soon)! Dany sounds amazing, and so does Ale! Dany has been able to sustain notes at full volume for a while now, as she did at the end of "Dust to Dust". Thank you for reacting to The Warning, guys!

[@markbell4982]

It's not over produced. It's well produced. There is a difference. Raw sound will never get air play or attract new fans. I love how it's been produced. My hat's off to Mr. Bendeth.

[@matthewlloyd5130]

Over layered? I'm sticking with overproduced. I don't think it captures how they sound live.

[@markbell4982]

@@matthewlloyd5130 it isn't supposed to capture how they sound live. If it was, there would be no need for a producer, mixing, ormonths in a studio. Regardless of what you think, they have always had help for the live to sound like the studio not the other way around. Every song they play live has extra instrumental tracks played during the performance to make it sound as full as the studio. This is the very same thing except it sounds cleaner. I think you will find you will get used to it and enjoy this album a lot before it's over. You got used to the piano from nowhere on Survive, right?

[@matthewlloyd5130]

@@markbell4982 I understand all that. What I'm saying is that on previous albums the extra tracks enhance the sound, whereas with Choke, the extra tracks seem to overwhelm the sound.. It strikes me that there's too much extra and when it's not there it sounds very different. I think Ale's bass stands out more in the Cave version than the studio version. That's what I mean by overproduced, there's too much extra that changes their sound. From the first listen I thought the riff sounded much better just Dany's one guitar than when the extra layers came in.. To me it's very different than the subtle piano in Survive. On Choke, the extra layers and production come across as the identifying aspects of the song. And I have to disagree, part of capturing a band's live sound IS essential to recording for an album. There's a balance that has to be struck. For me XXIst Century Blood and QotMS capture that balance. Choke goes too far into the layering and production for my taste.

[@kfh1]

@@matthewlloyd5130 I hope that someday they will release a Live Album!!!

[@professorg9424]

Make no mistake. Bendeth's job was to get a commercially viable sound. No studio exists to cater to a band, it's all about the $$$$$. Did I like the studio version? Loved it. Did I like the live version? Loved it. But I do like more of a live sound.

[@5150pws]

I myself like the studio and live versions and I appreciate both for what they are! Believe me when you guys finally get to see them live you will feel there music vibrate through you in concert, it’s truely something to behold seeing them in front of you live, you won’t be disappointed😁

[@kfh1]

What he said... This Man Knows!!!

[@Ahluk1]

Personally, I love when you call out the fans lol

[@ZoeyPaigeLunaPhD]

It’s crybaby shit tbh

[@aaronmurphy1485]

I love it too

[@bishopsteiner7134]

Ale's bass tone is soooo much fatter live, was my only real knock on the studio cut/MV. Her bass wasn't as deep and resonant, here it really fills the backing spaces, and it's a great bass line.

[@OGK_Show]

There's only just the three instruments live and their live vocals. No background music. Just all live.

[@markjames8664]

It does help when you have what might be the best rhythm section in rock today-Dany can play a simple guitar over that and it will sound great. Both Pau and Ale have leveled up several notches in the last two years.

[@somedude5414]

They DO use a backing track live for small parts and enhancements. Examples are EASY to find. Less than Nightwish who use a recorded Orchestra.

[@somedude5414]

On this specific track, it does sound like only them live.

[@markjames8664]

@@somedude5414 they do in general, but I didn’t actually hear anything in this session. They might not have the full Ableton programming done yet.

[@jlow3957]

That was my first impression. Ann Wilson fronts The Stone Temple Pilots.

[@bocatampere]

Worth of waiting. Song is amazing. They are just best in this planet. Thank you guys.

[@peterpegrem9837]

Pau is my favourite, Alejandra looks like a model and brilliant, Daniela rocks!!!

[@bradleyp3655]

I am one of many KickStarter supporters for this third Album and pandemic delayed North American tour. I am very very pleased with out come. I was not expecting anything they have done previously. The Warning as a band that is still in it's infancy. This song and forthcoming coming album shows a lot of maturity in their song writing, composition and musicianship. It is money well spent.

[@kfh1]

I'll be even more pleased when we finally get the whole thing!!!

[@sergiodelatejaytejeda]

It is clearly another stepping stone on their sure path to the top. Thank God they are unstoppable now!!

[@billholder1330]

I'm glad to see Dany still keeps that Orange stack at home even though she's touring with Mesa now. That thing has hella tone - part of their history, really!

[@markbell4982]

Wait! What? You aren't fanatics? I will take away your Warning Army card again! I love me some Nathan. The way he completely broke you Ryan before he did the intro after all had me in stitches.

[@smileystevens3060]

Well if they ever get to play in front of a audience again live they will sound great because there's going to be a person running the board up front that can add the special effects to enhance the sound , right now their just doing the song in their practice place (The Warning Cave) but it will sound better in front of a audience live...."Nunca pare la Musica"

[@MaddogJones]

The criticism is minimal, almost 55000 views in 15 hours, 11000 likes, 45 dislikes... It's silly to focus so much on those few negative comments when the vast majority of comments are incredibly positive. As for your criticism in this video and the other one are totally valid and justified. The whole purpose of hiring an expert engineer and recording in world class studios is to get the best sound possible out of every instrument and vocal. A studio recording is not supposed to sound like a live show otherwise it would be pointless to see any band live, you'd just listen to the recording. While I think the official video is excellent as is the studio recorded song I do prefer the live performances, that's true with the two previous records and any other band (except Van Halen listening to a recording of a live Van Halen show is torture, being there in person is another story it's pure joy). Anyway, keep up the great and honest reviews/reactions, you guys rock, The Warning rocks and Choke rocks!!!

[@WelpHereWeAreOnYouTube]

We challenge the little stuff for entertainment purposes. Or we are just an echo chamber

[@kfh1]

The Warning will always be a great live band... That's their purpose in life, to Blow The Roof Off!!!

[@robsorenson68]

I love you guys. If people were jumping down your throats, they need to calm down a little bit 😂. I’m a massive fan and a proud member of TWA, but there was nothing wrong with what you said in the original video. As far as the differences between the recording and live, I’m relatively sure Ale only appears on the live version singing in that little breakdown because Dany can’t physically jump straight from that high-intensity bridge into that quiet moment. On the recording, it’s all Dany.

[@kfh1]

Correct, it's a double track of Dany on the studio version.

[@josemorales5117]

I do sing and is tricky to jump to a high note to a quiet almost whisper one.

[@marcianocastillo9501]

90% of any music genre is polished now a days but they sound good live so it doesn't matter if they sound polished on studio

[@kirbysmith882]

From what I heard all 3 started working with a voice coach late in 2019. Don't know if they kept working last year but you would think so.

[@krash66]

Ryan, you just couldn't resist calling me out. LOL.. A Warning fan saying that they don't like the "new sound", welp, I'll put it in Canadian terms. It's like a Rush fan saying they sucked after "Caress of Steel". ;)

[@professorg9424]

Causing trouble everywhere you go. Getting to be like Maddog and Phil. LOL. BTW you're still my hero.

[@krash66]

@@professorg9424 thanks Brutha 🤣😜

[@somedude5414]

^^^ THIS ^^^ As a HUGE Rush fan, exactly THIS!

[@somedude5414]

With no new Rush music, The Warning is now my favorite band. They have the EXACT same attitude to become a long lasting powerhouse as Rush.

[@jjohn464]

Hey guys. 1st - The Warning is one of my 1 or 2 fav bands right now. 2nd - In previous live videos Dany has a tendency to be pitchy at times especially in her low register. So totally get your comment. But now into her 20s much improved. Not sure if she’s had lessons. Much better breath control and diaphragm support in her chest voice. These ladies always getting better

[@markjames8664]

She’s definitely doing continuing voice training, I’m pretty sure all three are doing some. But Dany has spoken about how something recently “clicked” with her voice practice that led to the way she sings here.

[@kevinw2592]

As soon as you said it I heard the Vasoline comparison in my head. I've struggled with this song myself. It and Martirio, the Spanish language song on this album are similar tonally and neither are my thing. I do prefer this live version to the studio version however. And I'm a fan of The Warning, not any one song or even album. I'm glad to see them changing things up, I would hate it if they just retreaded old stuff and were afraid to experiment. The band certainly doesn't owe me anything, if they are satisfied with their results then that the only thing that matters. Also, they have really outgrown the basement. Even for a stripped down performance like this they just need more space to stretch their legs. It reminds me of the big cats in the zoo. It's a great rehearsal space, but they need a real stage, ever for a performance like this.

[@WelpHereWeAreOnYouTube]

Great thoughts. And you’re the first person to say something about Vasoline. Glad it’s just not me

[@victorcachat7984]

I am an absolutely rabid fan of The Warning. Regardless, speak your mind. I saw the other reaction and don’t remember anything out of line.

[@RandyTWA]

We Warning fans have been waiting so long for any morsel of new music from them that’s it’s not surprising that Choke is being so dissected and over analyzed down to the smallest detail. My opinion; it’s a damn powerful rock anthem! Thanks asshats!

[@professorg9424]

Lol, I forgot they called themselves that in their first video.

[@markjames8664]

I actually think the studio version is the best tracking of Dany’s voice in the studio to date. Yes, it is a commercial sound but not over the top. And most important the band is looking for a hit-Pau talked recently about how they will play arenas someday. This is NOT some indy band that would rather stay out of the spotlight. I believe they think they can stay true themselves and still be commercially successful, and I think they are right. They think they can take some risks and hold into their core fans, and I think they’ll do that too.

[@OGK_Show]

Okay, simple question. What potential on the mainstream charts do you think it has? Potential number 1, 10, top 25? I think it has serious potential. After this song gets well known thousands of people will have been warned.

[@agustinmanyari]

Potencial? Top ten at least. Amazing song

[@luisretana665]

I think i was one of those that said you should check it out the live version, sorry guys, it was never my intention, at least i have an excuse...english it's not my first language.

[@professorg9424]

Just what is your first language Luis? You seem to type badly in both. 😆

[@luisretana665]

@@professorg9424 Mark's fault.

[@markjames8664]

One other comment on vocals - they did the same performance for Patreon supporters earlier, and the vocals were a bit sharper then. This show was at the end of a long day after a night they probably didn’t sleep much, so there’s some fatigue showing here.

[@francic1971]

Agreed the Patreon version was a little better. More fluid sounding.

[@Highrider_Phil_C]

When I seen this and watched Ale singing some of the backing vocals, I swore it was Dany, guess I was wrong. Dany did a hair flip and something got in her eye but she's OK though. Now I'm just waiting for the rest of the new album, It's like Christmas.

[@iNsTaNtpUdDiNhEaD]

I hope we won't have to wait till Christmas!!

[@kfh1]

Just so you know Phil, it is Dany double tracked on the studio version.

[@Highrider_Phil_C]

@@kfh1 I can't confirm that but Ale did sing in the live show, I want to see more of Ale Singing she has such a beautiful voice and I think every one should get to hear it.

[@cocodriloblanco]

I'm new to the army and I was going to respond the same way until I saw your response here to the last video. 😆 I don't know what it is but they have power over me and I'm here to stay.

[@professorg9424]

We're not always critical, well okay maybe some are. I hope Dany continues getting more vocal training, I mean, if Neil Peart was getting lessons in his 50s then who can be critical? I think ya'll rock, just having fun. I even watch some of the obscure stuff ya'll do. And I do like the live version better.

[@WelpHereWeAreOnYouTube]

Ty prof

[@billp.8489]

I think the accents are stronger in live versions and I think they give something more to the music.

[@adamtrombino106]

This version is a little different than the studio's production, and actually, you can hear Ale's bassline and Pau's backing vocals better! Some say it's the way this vid was uploaded, taken from the Rolling Live Studio interview. Maybe, I'm no audio expert. I was told that Ale sang that part kinda adlib, as a special bonus if you will. She does not sing that part on the production version. I just think it's different, just as good, and always nice to see the gals rocking in their cave, where it all began!

[@roywall8169]

The dark lighting was much better! 😂🤘🏻❤️

[@DaveRod76]

You all are on it!

[@harrybroaddus846]

To paraphrase another reactor; I love the live shows for their "perfect imperfections" 😜

[@professorg9424]

I saw that reactor. I thought he was just another stoner till he made that comment. I realized he was much sharper than I thought. That's a great line.

[@MiguelLopez-is9te]

Had the opportunity to see these chicas live in Zacatecas, Mexico in 2019. Such a great performance. I'm not part of The Warning Burros or The Nightwish Army. Personally, those titles have always sounded stupid. I'm just a Warning fan who appreciates their raw talent. 🤘

[@iNsTaNtpUdDiNhEaD]

lol The Warning Burros?? That's a new one on me!

[@professorg9424]

@@iNsTaNtpUdDiNhEaD I prefer Fan-Burros myself. lol

[@juancarlosarzillier2256]

Destined for greatness!

[@scottlafleur4148]

The Warning did a great job doing this live. The main issue I hear is Dany's vocals are way too "on top" of the track. This song is sung with volume and the instrumentation kinda gets lost in the big vocal parts.

[@brandonb.5304]

Could be an intentional choice, that the vocals are more important than the instrumentation in those sections of the song. Not all the instruments are going to be perfectly balanced throughout the entire song. Some sections emphasize certain instruments for various reasons at different points. Dany's vocals were the highlight of the song for me and thought they were intentionally placed in front because of their impact.

[@westmus]

The Warning seems to have an habbit of putting Dany's on top on their live recordings. It pulls some of en energy out of the music. Not sure it if its because the girls based on they age, may have more references to modern pop than classic live rock, that they are looking for this clear vocal, instead of an vocal more inside the sound of the band.

[@juanjosearnedokidd4439]

You two are one of my favorite reactors to TW because I know it would be great to simply have a couple of beers with you while chatting about it. And sorry, but you still do not have "Ale" right (a most friendly lolol). Just say the full name Alejandra a couple of times (The "e" there sounds like the "e" in "bet"). Then just say the first three letters with the emphasis in the "A". I am very happy that you are getting to see them live! I hope to get from you a play-by-play afterward.

[@WelpHereWeAreOnYouTube]

I will never get the pronunciation right.

[@juanjosearnedokidd4439]

@@WelpHereWeAreOnKZbin LOLOL It actually does not matter as long you do the loving right, and that you do

[@matthewlloyd5130]

Ryan, like you I would prefer to hear this version over the studio version. I haven't seen any criticism yet of the song, but I had the same "overproduced" reaction. This version in the Warning Cave sounds better to me. As polished? No, but I don't think the studio version really captures how they sound. I'm not jumping ship on the Warning, of course, but like you said I also enjoy seeing who's doing backing vocals etc.... To me the sound here is warmer. We all know how good they are live and I think the studio version presents something else. FTR- I do like the song.

[@manuelesquivel9732]

Nice

[@spit7201]

Pau is my favorite drummer 🥁 she's so gorgeous ya

[@roywall8169]

Were you humming the Umpa Lumpa song Nathan? 😂😂

[@michaelcgn1090]

THIS Cave version is like you will experience the song LIVE at a concert. And it sounds great. It is always a problem, if the Studio/Record version gaps to the version can be played best live. My concern is that Sound Engineers will face a huge challenge to bring the Studio version up live in concert. So it will be more "The Warning" -like to support the raw Cave sound, which is to my ears even better.

[@kfh1]

It will sound awesome in a bigger 'Cave'... With Thousands Of Seats And A Huge PA!!!

[@BadCowboy67]

I like both versions the studio and live but yes given a choice I'd much rather hear this version. In the video Ale doesn't sing at all. Everyone knows she can sing and doesn't like to sing lead, so her doing a solo even for two line is a huge step for her. I hope it's just another step or two before she does lead vocals on a song or two.

[@josemorales5117]

You're ok guys and sincere, I love the the warning band and acknowledge the weakest is their vocals (even them regards that point), but is true Danny's Voicel wow!!! Improved ages, I even noticed at the Martirio Snippet they gave us before. What's happening with all this fanboy crowd is that they can't even take even a constructive criticism and WORST Of All!!!: they seem to have ADD cause they can't or don't know to listen or read and jump to conclusions and get defensive. I know cause I am a millennials parent) 😂

[@thancrow]

Dany sings all the vocals in the official viseo.

[@n.johanness7451]

I think it was basically a good live performance. I think the volume of the guitar could have been turned up louder though even though Dany played it well and the sound of the guitar was great. The background vocals by Pau sounded a bit unsure (which is unusual) and not as subtle as an effect as in the official audio but overall she did her singing part well and played the drums like a killer as usual. Ale's vocals were obviously very just a really short passage but they were really stable so that was nice, and she played the bass very well as usual.

[@kfh1]

That room is so small... They need a bigger Cave!!!

[@dorseywhite2084]

that part of ales bass line also sounds a lot like grand funk , the bass player played that style

[@Amaranthine1000]

No way am I jumping off this train, if anything I'm chaining myself to the front of the engine

[@pissingelk]

Guys I don't believe that Pau or Ale are singing on the studio version. I believe that it's only Dani with a lot of overdubbing of her voice. And so in a live setting then Pau and Ale are called upon to fit into what makes most sense for them to do the background vocals. Ale singing at the end is a little lower than Dani singing the same part in the studio version and Ale's singing was just a little tentative in this live version. Great reaction guys, this live version was killer and will sound even better live in a concert setting. I LOVE the studio version and can't wait for my local rock station KLOS here in Lo Angeles to play it so that The Warning rocks the rock world!.

[@maximelesperance4132]

We do hear Pau on the studio version, but you have to pay attention

[@FlashGeiger]

In the studio version the low part was supported with a high bg vocal, which Dani didn't supply in this live version. I imagine when they get it all figured out for touring they will have more harmonies figured out between them.

[@pissingelk]

@@FlashGeiger I hear Dany singing that lower part as well as the higher part which is doable in the studio but not live. They have Ale doing it but she is just a little lower than the studio version.

[@FlashGeiger]

@@pissingelk Yeah, I agree, but I think the final tour version may have Ale sing the low and Dani the high part.

[@markjames8664]

I’m sure Pau is doing backing on the studio version-there are very few Warning songs without that (and Dany backs Pau when she’s lead). The consensus seems to be that Dany sings the quiet part in the studio version, but Ale does it live because it is too abrupt a voice shift for Dany to do easily. But I have to say I like the Ale version better, she’s really the best of the three at special parts like this.

[@jluisg622]

EL MEJOR ROCK 2021 ,EXCELENTE TEMA

[@kevinthetruckdriver353]

My problem with *CHOKE* was could the girls play *CHOKE* live?? Saw them twice playing *CHOKE* live in *The Cave* today. The answer is *YES!!* And the live version sounds like The *"RAW"* Warning we know and love. Now, I can enjoy The *"POLISH"* Warning as well. Knowing The Warning is still there.

[@roywall8169]

🤘🏻😀

[@robertblair5754]

"we get to see who's singing what part because that's really important to me, I love backing vocals". So you talk over Ale's only solo subtle, quiet backing bit?

[@WelpHereWeAreOnYouTube]

We are just the worst , how dare we !

[@syrius1]

Ok everybody, there’s a new Choke Live Session, much much better than the one made on The Cave worthwhile to listen to. That one was made for charity and you can appreciate Dany’s voice more clearly. Thank me later… kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqncg6GjYqxlhrM

[@Frisco40]

Apesar de muito bem produzida, eu prefiro sempre elas ao vivo. Muito forte e impactante.

[@Kaziklu]

The question is will Ale be seeing that 5 string as basic in 3 years? Will she flip to the 8,10,12... lol... And honestly I like them live better.

[@kfh1]

Live is where they thrive!!!

[@blacksunshine1437]

🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@mkourgo8645]

😎🇲🇽✌

[@ZoeyPaigeLunaPhD]

Ryan you are SUCH a snowflake lol. Love you anyway. You have great taste in best friends :P

[@briancoburn9556]

To all asshats and corndogs: So, Dany must have had vocal training because she can hold a note for a long time? What about her much longer note in Dust To Dust? You didn't say anything about vocal training then.

[@brandonb.5304]

It's not only about the length of the note; it's also about the power. Someone could hold a note for 30 seconds but it might be a whisper by the end. Dany's not only holding a note a long time but it's a powerful note that doesn't diminish and also contains several different dynamics--not just a straight note.

[@briancoburn9556]

Referring to the live vocals, i think Dany's voice was just as powerful in Dust To Dust as in Choke. As far as the record version of Choke, her voice does seem somewhat enhanced. But i don't think that's a bad thing. It just makes a great singer sound greater.

[@michaelybaben4622]

I don’t understand why reactors have to critique everything to death, I’ve been listening to music since the 60’s and you want to talk about some crappy live recordings, I can tell you. Not that this is that, but if you want to hear the live sound you go to the concert and bang your head, or go down to the local dive and sweat you ass off with the band it’s the experience that makes the live sound great. But I feel most musicians want to put the best product out they can from the studio. Do some bands abuse that, well hell yea, but the saying you can’t turn a turd into a rose has never been more truer here, you have to have great substance as a band, musician, entertainer, to be able to sustain, and I personally want to hear the best that the band feels they can do at the time, and not what some reactors think it needs. Sure the studio versions sound better, and yes it’s enhanced, not manipulated. So in a way this is not a gripe to you but it’s my reaction to your reaction. You don’t tell AC/DC that they need to play more than 3 chords or that Kurt Corbain needs singing lesson, or Keith Richards needs to play longer guitar solos, or even that the Warning needs to do anything, these girls first video has over 22 million views last I checked, how many 20 million vids have you put out ? I understand the concept of the first reaction platform, I watch these vids to see reactions not criticizing. These girls put out the best product they can with the abilities they have at the time, and they don’t apologize. So before you critique do your research, their music catalogue starts fro the early ages of 9-14 to currently 17-22, so has Dany had vocal lessons, well of course, they have also all been classically trained on the piano, they have trained at the Berkley Institute of Music, cut their teeth from rock music from the game Rock band, and still take private lessons when possible. They have several albums and EP’s released, toured internationally, opening for bands such as Halestorm, 3 Days Grace, G&R, played multiple Festivals, headline there own club and small venues tour in the U.S. and they don’t disappoint their fans and go as far as still preforming a show while dreadfully sick with the flu to the point that Ale had to finish the show while sitting on a stool, can’t count the number of shows G&R cancelled because Axle was on his period. So it’s very simple either you like them or the song or you don’t, maybe it’s not your cup of tea, I GET THAT. they don’t need reactors advise, and I can say that after over 60 yrs of listening to Rock music we are witnessing history in the making, of what will truly be one of the best rock bands ever…

[@WelpHereWeAreOnYouTube]

Too long. Didn’t read

[@michaelybaben4622]

@@WelpHereWeAreOnKZbin No problem would expect as much from some Gen X’ears TY….

[@shuriken4852]

I have been of the opinion for years that studio recordings should be, take the time to really mic the room properly, then the band plays live altogether, record it a few times, choose the best take and that's the song. Never was a fan of the overproduced studio recordings with overdubs and such. To me it is just a lie, as the band will never be able to reproduce it during a show, so what's the point. Just my opinion after listening to rock music for 30+ years.

[@JoePastorgomez]

But The Beatles ……

[@shuriken4852]

@@JoePastorgomez Why do you think that in the later years they stopped performing live. Some people consider albums like Sergeant Pepper super important, I consider it the beginning of the end of simple produced, clean sounding albums. For example the AC/DC albums of the 70s that were produced with their family, where they simply recorded the band like I suggested, to me are the best sounding with their raw energy, but lots of people consider them subpar compared to the later overproduced ones by supposed luminaries like Rick Rubin or Mutt Lange.

[@professorg9424]

@@shuriken4852 I made the point elsewhere that Mutt Lange completely changed Def Leppard's sound some say for the better some say for the worse. But it was definitely more polished. I saw the High 'n Dry tour. Very different from Hysteria. Better? I don't know, it's subjective. Did I hate Hysteria? No but it was different.

[@vincentcortilli4896]

Studio sounds polished and resembles halestorm band. I love the raw live versions cus dani's face expressions and pau drumming and ale kicks in air and thunder bass. Why do studio always drown out ale's bass sound

[@CarlosLopez-op1vc]

I don’t get the halestorm comparison. Maybe the way dany sings but the structure of the warning songs are completely different.

[@ClavisRa]

tl;dr The single is too 'pop', missing the raw 'rock' feel the song calls for. The live performance is trying too hard to be the single version and needs a little reinvention. I do think the single is a bit overproduced, but not dramatically. My main complaint of overproduction is the density of doubling and harmonizing and general levels of layering creates too much of a smoothed out sound for a song that should have a ton of bite and ferocity (which it does overall). Aspects of the production are very 'pop', and that also infected the arrangement of the song a bit. This live performance felt very true to the single version, and I think the song could be stronger and feel more organic by making some different choices live. For example, Pau's low harmony feels a bit awkward being so low and relaxed; hearing her harmonise with an intensity that matches Dany would feel more satisfying. Dany's guitar part at the start of the second verse similarly feels awkward for her to navigate, again trying to duplicate the texture of the recording and working her pedal board too much when a simple chiming arpeggio without a tone change would let Ale's lively base part there dominate while Dany focuses on her vocals without the awkward pedal board manipulations.

[@brandonb.5304]

I mean, of course a studio track (especially a single) is going to be more polished than a live version. Do people not understand that studio albums are engineered to sound as good as possible? Those criticisms are just silly and ridiculous. Rock albums layer in guitars, vocals, etc. It's going to sound more full and polished than a live version where there aren't layered guitars and vocals. People, man.

[@westmus]

The question is what "as good as possible" is? Looking around on YT, reading comments under live session videos shows often "this sounds better than the album" comments for a row of bands. Some of these videos may sometimes have 10 times more views than the original music video. Did the band/producer then deliver "as good as possible" from the studio?

[@brandonb.5304]

@@westmus That's an exaggeration. Nirvana's most-watched music video is Smells Like Teen Spirit with over a billion views. Their most-watched live version at Reading only has 40 million views. That's typical of most bands: their music videos garner more views than any live versions subsequently released. The albums aren't supposed to sound like they were recorded live. Their purpose is to hook fans to get them to go see live shows. If you give them the live show straight away, they may not feel like they need to see them live in-person.

[@brandonb.5304]

@@westmus More examples: one of Muse's most popular songs Uprising--music video has 240 million views while the most-watched live version of the song only has 2.4 million views. Metallica: Enter Sandman music video has 470 million views while their most-watched live version of the song has 40 million views. Foo Fighters: Learn to Fly music video has 141 million views while the most-watched live version has 56 million views. I could go on and on, but I think you get my point.

[@westmus]

@@brandonb.5304 , exactly, Nirvana had a very good studio production, so did Audioslave, Alice in Chains and other bands. They were all highly produced, but it was before all the newest fancy production trends. It always retained a fell of rawness. Grunge became big because the "metal" had turned polished and overproduced, with musicians in fancy outfits and hair from an shampoo ad. Grunge, Metallica and what else became really popular was like a back to basics wave. The newest studio production trends are in my oppinion not doing anything good for rock. We are again losing the rawness and energy in studio prodution trying to sound big and impressive.

[@brandonb.5304]

@@westmus Dude, Nirvana's albums were still engineered, just like The Warning's. They had multiple vocal tracks layered, same with the guitar tracks. Kurt's vocals were nowhere near as raw as they were live. None of their studio albums sounded like a live album. They were all clearly polished in post. I don't know why you're acting like this isn't the case for every band that has an album recorded in a studio. Obviously polished songs are a good jumping off point because as I already pointed out the studio tracks almost all have significantly more views than live performances of those same songs do. If people didn't want studio tracks and only wanted live versions, why do the studio tracks all have millions of more views than the live versions?

[@jimr4354]

Very brave releasing the cave version so soon after the MV. The studio version really does sound very 'full'. It's great. Dani's voice does sounds out of this world. Really good. Listening to this version you can you definitely hear the difference. Would have been better for just Dani to sing the song though. Ale and Pau's vocal just didnt work well here. She's got a great powerful voice to hold the song together. Management would have been better organising a virtual performance of their album at a later date. Let the MV do the 'talking' initially. Its a very well produced clip marketing the song very well. The sisters sound would benefit from having another rythmn guitarist to really fill the sound. They're remarkably talented though. Writing some very good material for their ages. Choke is no different.

[@tonycampbell4982]

21st Century Blood is still their best album. Dani could always sing better to me better than Paul