The Weird Controversies Of Omocat

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

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[@kingnightmarevin]

Why are you promoting a cult leader Oranges? Why are you promoting someone who said "Non-vegans are pro slavery" and believes in the Matrix? I understand you need to get paid but really?

[@isotetra1912]

fuck your sponsor, git gud

[@judasproductions]

​@@kingnightmarevinmaybe he didnt know??🙏

[@blackcloversw.4302]

​@@judasproductions Most likely, because I as hell didn't. What happened with Scentbird?

[@nekochuofficial]

"I hope your art program crashes and you forget to save it" Who hurt you? :(

[@wasabiewilly]

me

[@goatmom2980]

Traditional artists: Signature look of superiority.

[@DjDeadpig]

What is it with indie RPGs always being surrounded with insane fans?

[@maributalsofwoggie]

It's not all of us i swear, I just found out about all this stuff.

[@sporeham1674]

​@@maributalsofwoggieMost of ya'll are chill as hell tbh

[@xxmoonshadowxx6099]

When something is for the people, the people will come

[@michikip45]

@@maributalsofwoggieSame! I didn’t know any of this I just enjoyed the game I could relate with! 😭

[@highbread817]

Not a faceless company, much easier to "relate" to, therefore easier to form a para social relationship I feel like creators like Vivziepop are in a similar situation

[@Ponies62]

I feel like if omocat was a man saying "I love loli and little girls" it wouldn't have been brushed off so easily, regardless of how long ago it was.

[@canariawing]

absolutely. it's always "you're a predator for being attracted to little kids" until the person in question is a woman, i guess 🙄

[@SomeGaymerNerd]

literally

[@leviix_draws]

Fr

[@hiroshiyitama2888]

That’s like…80% of things that are stigmatized by society. If you’re a woman, and you partake in stigmatized behavior, you’re just less likely to be viewed as deviant or ostracized as much vs being a dude and doing the same thing.

[@astralGrenade]

i mean it really wasnt brushed off...i still get yelled at by people for liking omori just because of omocat

[@Aleutica]

i think you missed some stuff with the melon kid situation: 1. a stipulation in melon's contract was that they would only get royalties if they met their deadlines at least somewhat consistently. melon continuously missed their deadlines and would sometimes not work for several weeks at a time. also, royalties are not the same thing as wages 2. melon was still paid wages and overtime pay. they were actually paid wages even during the period where they stopped working for several weeks/months 3. you did mention this point but i don't think you realised how important it was: melon not only missed deadlines, they wrote over other devs' code and added content without receiving approval. this caused other devs' workloads to increase and likely contributed to the delayal of the game you can find all this info in the responses to melon's thread + things other team members have confirmed on their twitter accs. ultimately melon did not meet the stipulations in their contract that would have earnt them royalties, and omocat continued to pay them wages even when melon wasn't working it would be one thing if only omocat was disagreeing with them, but multiple team members came forward to say omocat's version of events was closer to the truth. also other non-omori game devs stated melon's story made melon look unprofessional and that in most other indie teams, melon would have been straight-up fired

[@ajgameguy3674]

Huh. Considering that NONE of this was mentioned in MelonKid's thread, that kinda makes them even more untrustworthy of a source, disingenuous even. Exactly why you should take anything said on Twitter with a grain of salt. Way too many people like letting their biases get in the way of just saying shit the way it is.

[@hunt2334entertainment]

Based

[@MelMelodyWerner]

not sure why you're just regurgitating Omo's response to MelonKid when the majority of MelonKid's thread was regarding Omo (allegedly) abusing and berating MelonKid. none of which that statement addresses. just paying someone overtime when they're blatantly crunching is... literally what AAA studios do, and time after time this has been shown to be dangerous. that isn't the banger defense you seem to think it is, it's actually pretty damning that that's all she can say in defense: "I did what I legally was required to." it's why newer studios who try to avoid crunch will have to have leadership step in and stop someone from overworking that much. that's what good management does-they certainly don't rag on someone in a state of burnout and try pressuring them to keep working harder while crashing. again, that's the bulk of MelonKid's thread; the matter of royalties and credits on the site or Wikipedia reads as a final insult, if anything. not this imagined situation where MelonKid was accusing Omo of not acting according to the contract, or whatever you seem to think is the crux of the issue?

[@ajgameguy3674]

@@MelMelodyWerner I don't think they're trying to disprove Melon's testimony, moreso provide Omo's side of things that Orange kinda glossed over. And again, it's kinda off-putting how Melon never brought up the context that Omo did. I think Omo should've put her foot down when it came to the overworking and put an end to it when she saw that Melon wasn't feeling good physically. But I think Melon should've brought up that they breached their contract on the royalty, especially since the royalties being denied was a good crux of their public response.

[@ITR]

@@ajgameguy3674 From my understanding MelonKid didn't _mean_ to make it about money, and them mentioning it was more about them losing royalties without warning right before launch rather than because they thought losing royalties was unfair, and therefore didn't think to elaborate on it. But somewhat predictably, because it wasn't elaborated on the internet somewhat predictably drew their own conclusions and made it entirely about that. This in turn made omocat team members angry at melonkid, which made them say things that made melonkid angry, and to this anger on both sides later tweets became less "solid" and thought out.

[@parjol9064]

I think u misunderstood. Melon WAS paid, they just weren't given royalties because they breached their contract. Also, when Melon said they worked crazy hours, of course you end up working in extra hours if you keep adding in things without approval and then having to remove them.

[@lavurnums]

omocat even offered melonkid a bonus which they declined, yet they have the audacity to complain that they didn't get paid enough

[@StarlightDew]

If anything I feel for the rest of Omoteam, can't imagine having a brat go in and change your code to "make it better owo" with no consideration for professional coding practices and then throw a tantrum on social media about how howwible they were treated by their coworkers

[@mooncake2560]

So basically the melon kid thing is a little bit iffy while everything else is true

[@unwantedaccount4404]

"For those who are drawing, I hope your program crashes and you forget to save" *[Saves Immediately]* Jokes on you. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@99morphine]

When i saw that one qrt about omocat saying "BOOOOOORING!" to a post abt how incest as a ship dynamic is gross i was like,, "thats crazy" (i have no idea if its real or not but i gotta admit its funny as fuck)

[@NormallyACat]

Im pretty sure that wasnt the real omocat and just a parody account, but it was still funny lmao

[@ita_dude6467]

that's the only fake one lmao

[@anotherwordly]

@@NormallyACatnot even that, it was a different account entirely, it was faked

[@strawburri420]

im pretty sure it was fake, but i have to agree. shit was funny as hell

[@astralGrenade]

that one is completely fake but it did make me laugh im ngl

[@ajgameguy3674]

Shit like this is why I genuinely take anything said on Twitter with a grain of salt. Because, anytime someone calls out someone else on there, they'll often take context out of their tweet which will either inadvertently make themselves look better or make the other person look more terrible. Don't get it twisted, Omocat shouldn't have denied Melon Kid their royalties and should've been more considerate when they crashed from overworking themselves. But it does feel kinda dicey how MelonKid portrayed themselves as a hard-working, efficient programmer that was praised by Omo and whose only issue was overworking themselves, that got screwed over when their work was finished, only for Omo to bring up that Melon actually often didn't work with the team well and continually caused issues outside of overworking themselves. I don't think either party was trying to be malicious and fuck the other over, I just think bias plays too large of a role when it comes to situations that get put on blast on Twitter. If someone thinks they got screwed or manipulated, they'll post and focus on the parts that push that, but miss/ignore the context that might go against it. Then the accused brings up the context that was missed in their defense, and things get weird. The whole thing should've been hashed out in private. If that wasn't an option, I'd get it. But it'll never not feel annoying when a situation like this goes from "Hey, this person was shitty to this other person" to "Oh wait, context shows that the situation was much more messy than initially portrayed, everyone screwed up on some level".

[@thismouseisillegal944]

YIIKchad

[@LunaMane]

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. And Melon Kid and Omocat aren't seeing the bigger picture.

[@ArandumbGuy]

HOLY SHIT BRO DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT TIME OR SHORTENING IS?! 💀😭😭

[@ajgameguy3674]

@@ArandumbGuy What?

[@insertnamehere1398]

I think in retrospect omocat probably shouldn't have given melon the royalties but back when the incident happened, omo didn't know how unstable and insane melon was so I feel like just SOME kind of penalty rather then getting rid of the royalties would have made more sense..... #justiceforomocat homegirl just tryna survive-

[@vasilijemx]

does this guy not understand that if you breach a contract then you lose what is given in said contract? of course melon lost their royalties after breaking the promises they made, that's how contracts work

[@Bewilderebeest]

Scentbird also offers a batsht insane CEO (mariya). Gal is off her rocker

[@Letmodt]

"Ohhhh i hate big corporations!!!" Puts an ad for fragrances immediately after.

[@josephsigala6631]

1:33 both the development of omori and yandere simulator are kind of similar if you think about it but the difference is that omori got the good ending and ended development 6 years where yandere simulator got the worst possible ending ever

[@yokaiwatchbracelet]

Tbh omocat ACTUALLY worked their head of compared to yandere dev Omocat cooked more

[@Omori201X]

@@yokaiwatchbracelet OMOCAT also had an entire team.

[@yokaiwatchbracelet]

@@Omori201X agreed and they used it properly

[@Hatsune-Miku_Fan]

20:21 no,you can't wish that on to me,i am drawing Hatsune Miku Would you want Hatsune miku to crash?

[@hunt2334entertainment]

I kinda agree with Omocat here, people who are asses to coworkers, write over another's code without asking, unapproved changes. A bad employee is worse then no employee.

[@YMXXI]

Omo cat is a company? I thought it was one person

[@Wowow_98-sw3zp]

Company named after the owner, omocat. Both a company and a person

[@josephsigala6631]

If there was one thing I can give omo cat some credit at least She released omori didnt put omori in limbo forever and so many controversy that it hard to tell where to start Unlike yandere dev

[@Grimmijaggers]

"I hope your art programme craches" my ipad is at 1%, why would you jinx me like this

[@diesix4086]

2008 OFF, that's an indie game that got created before 2010.

[@64B_]

OFF, Yume Nikki, Cave Story, La Mulana and the original Spelunky all came out before 2010. Those were the first five that came to mind for me.

[@olliecyclops9164]

I know it ain't anymore, but technically Minecraft is an indie game that came out before 2010

[@polocatfan]

Cave Story 2004

[@ajjustice9]

20:23 JOKES ON YOU I TOOK A BREAK THE MOMENT YOU SAID THAT

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

what software do you use?

[@AdrianGuzmanOfficial]

There were quite a few stuff that you either didn't got, flew all over your head or decided to ignore Yes, Omo should have payed Royalties to Melon, but Melon never said: - How they kept making a lot of stuff difficult for the rest of the team making them work extra hours to fix their mistakes - that they got warned about not writing over someone else's code and kept adding stuff without aproval (something that should get you fired) - The fact that they got paid for all those extra hours, they made it sound like they overworked themselves without compensation, even when not working they were still getting paid - They kept missing deadlines, which caused their contract breachment, which they also didn't mention Again, Omo should have paid Melon the royalties, but if I'm 100% honest, unless I was legally obligated (something that Omo wasn't once the contract got breached) I wouldn't have paid them royalties either, I understand why Omo felt like Melon was compensated enough

[@polocatfan]

wait so you wouldn't pay them but you're mad at omo for not paying them??? what?

[@AdrianGuzmanOfficial]

@@polocatfan You know...now that I read it, you're right, I should have worded it better, I'm by no means mad at Omo tho, but I didn't wanted to sound like an unsensible bastard towards Melon, I think that's why it sounds kinda confusing at the end But to be completly clear, Omo did the right thing in my opinion, that's basically the summary of my thoughs

[@TheobaldLeonhart]

OH MY FUCKING GOD Melon chose to overwork themself, got paid a bunch of money, and then broke the contract themself

[@wendydreams1045]

Did your mommy teach you that😂😂

[@Calculover]

@@wendydreams1045 teach them what? lol

[@Lionel_Messi_Real]

I don’t think Melon should be trusted. They kinda did that too themselves.

[@asleepyb0i400]

It always brightens my day to be early to a Certainly Stupefied Citruses video

[@dsamuel2116]

LMAOO

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Getting excited for a drama KZbinr is pathetic

[@someguy1894]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69cry about it

[@asleepyb0i400]

@ChangedMyNameFinally69 The joke----------> Your head

[@nathanjames141]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69changing your name finally is kinda pathetic

[@Erik-fn7kj]

20:23 JOKES ON U IM A TRADITIONAL ARTIST LOL

[@WhatTheKel33]

has the book caught on fire 😟

[@roboticspider4554]

"I hope your art program crashes and you forget to save it" My art program auto-saves every 30(?) seconds, even if it's not titled/saved so if it does I don't lose much. I am immune

[@WhatTheKel33]

Melonkid overworked themself and tried to blame it on OMOCAT, even though they were paid for overtime, some of which had to be entirely redone because they were overwriting other's work and adding in off-script things. Though I don't think that taking their royalties was the right decision, melonkid had breached contract when they left as a result of consciously overworking themself. In several screenshots (not shown in this video) in private messages between OMOCAT and melonkid, OMOCAT had been concerned about their health and suggested that they slow down. I don't agree with the decision to immediately put everything on twitter and it kind of sours melonkid's claims a bit, though there's a possibility that they were trying to get ahold of OMOCAT and she didn't respond, or tried to ignore the situation.

[@MelMelodyWerner]

um, no. they literally did not blame it on OMOCAT. you blatantly did not read the thread. pay attention next time. that being said, it is (good) management's job to step in and stop someone from obviously crunching. the idea that someone would be working 12-18 hours for 6 months straight without management stepping in DOES mean that MelonKid either was a 100% nightmare for the team (which Omo should have stepped in to do something about, literally what management is there for... managing), OR-far more likely, considering that Omo was encouraging this behavior, and pushing MelonKid to continue with it (none of which Omo disputes, despite it being the bulk of the initial thread, and not the royalties)-what additional work it led to was negligible compared to the benefit. if it was such a problem, it would not have been allowed to fester for so long, nor would leadership be urging for more of it. edit: just read the bit about "immediately" putting everything on Twitter. actually doing it 3 years later is obviously not "immediately" lmao. MelonKid *did* mention wanting to talk about this soon after launch, but was told not to. so that means Omo had _3 years_ to try resolving this. bare goddamn minimum would be seeing to it that the Wikipedia page was amended and apologizing for her glaring mismanagement.

[@WhatTheKel33]

​@@MelMelodyWerner i don't have the energy to fact check you on everything, but they outright said "my smarter friend ... tried to pull me away from work but omo resisted because at that time i was like her golden workhorse" and "she would guilt me into keep working as hard as i did before despite the blatant toll on my body" . they very much did blame omocat, and paint her in a terrible light. my stance is that a lot of people already disliked omocat, (mostly for the edgy 2013 tweets), which caused some amount of bias. but when all of this came out it only gave them more of an incentive to hate her, and i think melonkid knew that. Whether it was to drum up traction for their own game or just to get attention, i don't know. I could be entirely wrong. There is no concrete evidence as far as i'm aware for their claims of being worked to exhaustion by omocat, and the evidence I do know of directly contradicts that. i mentioned it in my previous comment but i don't believe either of them are/were in the right. taking away royalties and not adding them in the wiki was a shitty thing to do.

[@polocatfan]

@@MelMelodyWerner I mean I'm against crunch, but if you fucked up a bunch of people's code without asking, I'd probably also say "work overtime with pay and fix this or I'm firing you."

[@floydbarber7528]

i have to disagree, melon was not supposed to get royalties in the first place, but because of her beginning omo was being nice and offer them to them. so they acted shitty and got this offer revoked. that is totally reasonable. idk what was written in their work contract, but usually there are paragraphs that you have to treat others respectfully in the company. which wasnt the case, if you believe omo. but yeah, it is statment vs statment and a few backing up omos version. melon did not provide any evidence and also only showed passages that make her look good but not everything.

[@awesomebros711]

Half of the games you listed as after the 2010s, WERE DURING THE 2010s

[@eigintasbaranauskas7519]

I think he ment after 2010

[@Ivory-f5b]

​@@eigintasbaranauskas7519 thats crazy bc thats what he said you know

[@JPLangley_]

I think he meant after the 2000s.

[@awesomebros711]

@@JPLangley_yeah, he did

[@demospecter]

1:10 Castle Crashers, Spelunky, Gish, I Wanna Be The Guy, The Dishwasher: Undead Samurai

[@wario1340]

♪ When the moon hits your eye, like a big pizza pie, that's Spelunky™! ♬ ♩ When the bomb blows your face, into the outer space, that's a Spelunky™! ♫

[@wimpyapple8093]

1:11 Cave story, Yume Nikki, Off, I wanna be the guy, Dwarf Fortress. Honorable mention to Iji.

[@ArnoldStark123]

Most of the time game developers and voice actors for video games don't get royalties for their work if the game they worked on got re-released on another platform or remastered remade or ported or emulated It's a disappointing reality but that's just the standard in the gaming industry

[@MadAliceInWonderland]

I feel bad for the rest of the team. Dealing with someone overwriting their code causing extra workload and hours for them and then dealing with the fallout of the situation on twitter.

[@SandyGarnelle]

18:30 - I think you kind of missed the point here. See, Melon kid imo seems to be the type of guy who think they know best. The main reason is not them being shitty and cunty. The main reason is they while well-itentioned, but sabotaged the developing process. Let's say you and your team I dunno. You guys are building a house. And there is this very efficient worker who's always up to something and really likes the potential project, to the point of making adjustments as if it being for them own. Like you have a plan of where and how and when things should be. But they out of nothing starting to put wallpapers in the places you wanted just the coat of paint so you waste time scratching off the wallpaper and restorating the surface. Drilled up the windows in the places you didn't want them and then you spend time rebricking the walls proper. Throwing away carpenter's table so that they can create their own in a better way, completely wasting time and resources. They overworked themselves but in the worst way possible. And it seems to me that at the point when they left, they left a lot of self-imposed work that had to be deleted and fixed. There was no personal issue, just the fact that their extra work turned into extra work for others. I am not sure how to explain this, but I had such experiences in my life. At least that's what I'm getting out of it. Withdriven royalties suck but it's not like some personal beef was the reason

[@olive92]

you hope my art program crashes?? well I'm drawing with a PENCIL AND PAPER AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@KeyFChicken]

20:20 WTF BRO ARE YOU STALKING ME 😂 I legit dropped my Apple Pencil in shock

[@ItsVreenTM]

BABE WAKE UP NEW BORED ORANGES

[@thiccaronie]

0 VIEWS IN 0 SECONDS U FELL OFF 🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️😹😹😹

[@thiccaronie]

Jk bb i love ur vids

[@Nicky11YT]

0 views in 1 millisecond he fell off

[@Unless-feature]

"0 views in 0 seconds" Well, no shit

[@WeekndWarriorrr]

You literally read outloud that Melonkid breached contract because they quit working and thus didn't meet the deadline which in turn means they dont get paid royalties. Then you immediately say after reading that outloud that Melonkid wasn't paid royalties because they where shitty to their coworkers?! Reading comprehension is an important thing if you're going to cover topics like this. You totally missed the point of Omocats reply then had the audacity to ask if she was stupid?.. Do better. Also being in the credits just means you worked on something. It doesnt mean you automatically get paid royalties. Melonkid got paid and would've got royalties by contract. They breached the contract and by doing so breached their right to royalties.

[@salemrobinson5044]

The irony in making a game about mental health struggles and then downplaying a devs struggles after overworking themselves on YOUR game

[@forgettableotaku]

hehehe im drawing TRADITIONALLY so my art program can't crash- unless idk my brain crashes

[@postal2forthe3ds]

honestly i dont think the thing she said about her 3rd grade crush should have been brushed off so quickly. yeah it was a long time ago, and normally for offensive jokes said a long time ago im like "they moved on", especially since most people making those types of jokes are teenagers when they make them. but talking about a 3rd grader giving you butterflies as a grown adult is absolutely disgusting, especially if you assume that she didnt know him past 3rd grade and is getting butterflies from a CHILD. she could be a family, a friend, a girl, a boy, a cat, a dog, and id still think thats something that shouldn't be dismissed.

[@WithASock]

>especially if you assume that she didnt know him past 3rd grade and is getting butterflies from a CHILD ...but why tf Would you assume that.

[@Xaonn]

​@WithASock idk man probably because she specified her 3rd grade crush?

[@WithASock]

@@Xaonn i mean still?? there are plenty of normal reasons for that qualifier. but lets set aside omocat for a second and just speak generally. anyone who seriously takes someone reminiscing about their youth and past relationships like this as a sign of something unsavory is gonna start to have a worrying relationship with their own past. like dont... do that to yourself? you should let yourself remember how your first crush felt no matter how old you get.

[@Xaonn]

@WithASock she wasn't reminiscing about an old crush she said thinking about him makes her flustered to this day on top of the many other strange things she has said about little boys

[@WithASock]

@@Xaonn then its because it's omocat that you would assume there's something pedophilic about that sentiment? if thats the case then youve answered why, but otherwise im not sure why getting butterflies at a memory does not count as reminiscing.

[@brianjohnson1509]

It seems like Melonkid should have just been fired far earlier for being a drain on production. But, contracts are a thing.

[@jonesy279]

“I didn’t feel well enough to work and my employer DEMANDED a doctor’s note.” Welcome to the real world kids, that’s called having a job.

[@Chillcoretime]

Holy moly early arc ( anyways ) I always found it confusing how there is always something done horribly wrong in the past or the future for a company / person ( unless their a rare innocent..)

[@killerb359]

Man your videos are so funny to watch. Plus i learn about so much stuff i have never heard of so that's pretty cool also. Thanks for making great videos Oranges😁

[@user-AADZ]

6:06 Live and learn! Hanging on the edge of tomorrow Live and learn! From the works of yesterday Live and learn! If you beg or if you borrow Live and learn! You may never find your way

[@Robin-ss6kv]

I definitely think you missed the mark with the whole shots thing. I usually agree with you, but you really missed

[@des971]

I always hate when other workers come out and go " I was treated fine" cause all it does is just try to be little a person situation or even discredit it just cause you did fine. Not everyone is usually treated equally at work. I had the same situation as the worker where I was one of my companies best worker and when I got an injury just got more work piled on while everyone else was treated better and not as over worked It's very difficult to talk about a company I once when I was taking classes one tutor was so flirty it made me uncomfortable and I saw a review of someone else who went through that same thing but no reply to them and so I wrote a review and basically got a nuh uh People will all have different experiences just cause you had a better one doesn't erase someone else's experience

[@LAYLADAWSON-n5x]

1:38 “Hollow Knight, Oneshot…*yandere Simulator..”*

[@jonesy279]

I’m old as hell but I think you youngsters will have a hard time arguing that 1997 wasn’t one of the best years for games ever.

[@GooberBoi6000]

Red Dead Redemption 2

[@jonesy279]

@@GooberBoi6000RDR2 is easily a top ten game for me. That doesn’t make 1997’s game releases any less awesome. Fallout, GTA, Goldeneye, Final Fantasy 7, Jedi Knight, Tekken 3, Age of Empires, Star Fox 64, Gran Turismo, Quake 2… it keeps going and going!! 97 was bananas!

[@GooberBoi6000]

@@jonesy279 true

[@Pierogiis]

17:52 omocat paid them hourly as they worked as well as overtime. They didn’t just NOT fucking pay melonkid, THEY DID, MELONKID STOPPED SHOWING UP AND WORKING THERE SO THEY BROKE CONTRACT. Wether melonkid realizes it or not, when you break your contract (I.e. STOP SHOWING UP TO WORK! Which they admitted they did!) you don’t get to reap the full benefits of the contract (I.e. ROYALTIES) Melon kid straight up admitted they stopped working there, why would they get royalties for a game they didn’t fucking finish when they already got paid hourly (plus overtime) for their work. Make it make sense

[@Reii_-]

Jokes on you, I always save my arts after every line, crashing is allergic to me.

[@bluelfsuma]

20:19 *laughs in traditional media*

[@siggevidstige8019]

2:10 yes BUT it started devement in 2014 so.......

[@canariawing]

not to mention omori himself comes directly from a shota comic omocat made

[@siggevidstige8019]

@@canariawing huh? yes.....but what do you mean by that, cuz it's based on a comic it idea has exited for an even longer time

[@lavurnums]

@@canariawing not even the slightest bit true

[@reddie1705]

20:13 I was taking a shower and my fridge exploded, 10/10 thanks Orng

[@iamaninsaneindividual]

My, my, my, a new bored oranges video? Don’t mind if I do.

[@shugarshack8536]

You missing that one sunflower is really bugging me >:l

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

wdym?

[@shugarshack8536]

@@DefinitelyBoredOranges During your gameplay, you keep going back and forth on Basils garden flowers and you keep going past one wilted sunflower that you should water. ',:l

[@DefinitelyBoredOranges]

@@shugarshack8536 I will water it next time I play

[@shugarshack8536]

@@DefinitelyBoredOranges is good! Hope you have fun gaming! :)

[@lordcheesedevil]

Jokes on you.I'm drawing traditional right now.Ha ha ha

[@biggest_concord_fan]

new oranges video yippie

[@aniflowers1998]

The one thing that put me off, and made me take the work place acusation with a BIG grain of salt, was the complaint about the doctors note. What? Is that not normal procedure where they live? Where I come from, it's the standard, and even part of ones contract, that you have to bring a doctors note if you are sick for a certain amount of time! In some companies, that's after three days of being sick, in others it's alredy on the first. So I don't get why Omocat asking for a doctores note was seen as that big off a deal by that person. Also, I disagree with still paying them royalties, if what they did was retreating alredy finished work and increasing other peoples work load by adding things that they had no permission to add. From what I understand, royalties are "bonus money", for a job "well done". Actively creating more work for everyone involved by doing whatever you want, does not sound like a "job well done" to me, no matter how much time they spend on it.

[@eiany_oj]

ngl i think they're completly fair if they truly went away months before the game coming out and adding extra work it all just sounds pretty fair

[@SupermemeGuardian12]

o m o r e

[@Duffymuffy]

Omorebor

[@starrydropzzz]

20:19 me, drawing on my ipad: you fool

[@crymouse]

Honestly I disagree. I’m sorry I just think that if omocat was a male, or made a game that was closer associated with the right rather than the left, that people would cancel her and the game series IMMEDIATELY. I’m an autistic adult, my mind is essentially a child’s mind and I do not fantasize about my childhood crushes or little boys from my youth. Full stop. I don’t think any of those tweets or tumblr posts are justifiable and seeing so many people bumble over their words and morals trying to find a way to justify the behavior without acknowledging that these people never allow others from their opposing view point this amount of leeway or excuses. It’s either okay for everyone to have sus tweets like that or it’s not okay for everyone. Doesn’t matter if they made your favorite game series or whatever. I just don’t get it. I feel like if you as a grown adult are actively fantasizing about children, that is NOT something you can just grow and change from.

[@ajgameguy3674]

Meh, that just sounds too pessimistic and presumptuous to my liking. Don't get me wrong, those tweets were weird as fuck. But folks digging up posts from damn near a decade ago, while trying to push that she's still like that without more recent evidence feels dicey.

[@crymouse]

@@ajgameguy3674 I see what you mean, but I guess a middle ground is needed here. It's both weird to dig up old tweets but if old tweets exhibit a pattern of weird or problematic behavior then it's also worth talking about.

[@bunaynayslay]

Exactly. Imagine a grown man saying they love loli, want to steal kids, like wtf?

[@bunaynayslay]

​@@ajgameguy3674 Or maybe after being publicly shamed for it they stop sharing it publicly?? People into stuff like that don't just change their minds one day. They just get better at hiding it

[@ajgameguy3674]

@@bunaynayslay Maybe, or maybe they realized overtime that "Wow, this is actually kind of weird for me to say/be into. I should probably stop", and stopped indulging in it. Some people realize what they're doing is dicey and stop, some don't. It's a toss up. We have no recent basis on whether or not they're still into that junk, so it feel weird to persecute and act like Omo's into this shit now when the most recent proof of it is, again, from a decade ago. I'm not saying to just forget that Omo said those posts and act like her record's squeaky clean, keep it in mind in case something more recent pops up and she does weird shit again, but don't jump to conclusions because "People never really change".

[@TrifectShow]

Extended periods of development, usually mean there are more issues that you will encounter as a team. As someone who is making game, I can tell you, it puts strain on your team to have a incomplete game for many years. Omocat seems not able to take on leadership with responsiblity. I am unsure whether she actually had a place where the team worked, or if it was all online. The dynamic is different if it is online vs physical work enviroment. I can only guess Omocat was a ball of anxiety, stress, and frustration, that manifested in how she treated her team. Being in charge comes with a lot of hurdles and impasses that you have to be able to navigate. She may have not be prepared to take on that. About her having a childhood crush... Thing is, you still have your 'child self' even as an adult, which is why you can still have feelings for remote experiences that are detached from your daily life. Its natural. What is not natural, is romanticizing youthfulness. In any which way, or form. I know nothing about her, but Omocat may have some horrid attractions she needs help with and God's strength to overcome.

[@cognizant3252]

Ok but one of the issues with the shota stuff is it KEPT GOING. Omori is based off of a comic called omoriboy about a 14 year old boy who is regularly mentioned to be jacking off, which is weird because of Omo’s past. Iirc she also sold omori merch with the words “shotacon” and “lolicon” on it but I could be misremembering. I think you should have been fair and mention some of the actual shit Omocat said about her interests in little boys. It felt like you glazed over that.

[@ineedzemedic5810]

I think an important aspect I remember abt Omocat is that she mentioned she had no idea what shota or lolicon meant, which is pretty stupid defense damn well knowing she understood what they meant in those languages

[@sussyimposter572]

i have no clue where you heard that about omoriboy but that is very wrong.

[@Kris-wy1lc]

Yeah he did glaze over it which is odd to me

[@lavurnums]

omoriboy is a full grown adult and not a 14 year old, he is literally depicted drinking alcohol

[@RickFerzy]

@@lavurnums not the greatest line of evidence

[@hoshimokurai]

no way the cult of Scentbird got to you too

[@marsmallowtoast]

thank you for the meal mr bored oranges

[@thekoronevirus2973]

Just copped a fire ass korone sweater on omo cat fr

[@thekoronevirus2973]

Don't like my comment i have an issue💪🏽

[@ander_1O1]

Lmao bro was trashing the people only listening to the video but me just watching like :3

[@bombbastic3347]

honestly what the fuck is happening to Omori anymore at this point the fan base and the game aren't coming back

[@jeminix2]

Why do I subscribe after he calls me out for drawing and wishes my program crashes :'')

[@itsmyfavgameseries]

HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS WATCHING WHILE DRAWING WTF?? I FEEL VERY CALLED OUT

[@biggest_concord_fan]

new video just dropped time to lock in for 21 minutes 44 seconds

[@virtualreese]

Real mfs know omocat from their clothes

[@viola8422]

Funny how melon kid was actually lazy

[@CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR]

7:40 I thought Omocat was The Ceaseless Void™

[@sugarycoffeebean]

calling me out on drawing was actual insanity. subscribed.

[@ReallyBigOMORIfan]

Omocat's sona is hot

[@Luvdiscdelgado]

i was going to say something rude about you praying my pc crashes for listning instead of watching but no i thank you for reminding me to save my work because my pc is an unstable bitch that crashes any second randomly

[@nier.thealchemist]

As a listener only i felt very called out lmaoo

[@michikip45]

Omori is a game that means a lot to me, so I kind of just.. avoided stuff about Omocat.. Time to ruin that!

[@Ivory-f5b]

LETSGO THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR

[@oOCCBo]

20:23 Bro im working on a animation final rn don't jynx it

[@melasnexperience]

This game was sold to me as "so important in its handling of suicide & grief" and that I should give it a shot as a survivor of different attempts, and instead it used the subject for a shitty plot twist. Like, "Vince Russo levels of goodwill killing" twist. So the company behind it being a hot mess isn't really a surprise. I just wish I could safely talk about my disappointment/disgust with the "reveal" & the audience reactions without getting mauled by Tumblr kids who made liking the game their sole personality trait.

[@galactirabbit]

I'm personally a fan of the game for different portrayal reasons (dissociation) and didn't mind the twist, but engaging a piece of media critically is important and I wish the fandom was more receptive to that, because the game should be subject to quite a few critiques

[@astralGrenade]

i mean as somebody who attempted suicide first when i was 9 and has been clean since around january i really don't get why anyone would be offended by anything in omori relating to suicide at all? because a suicide turning out to be staged is just a plot point. and sunny and basil are still suicidal and really good fucking rep imo.

[@melasnexperience]

@@astralGrenade That's it, though. They're suicidal cuz of the stupid decisions they made and wanting to avoid accountability for Mari's death (especially Sunny). They're not good rep; they're the person who uses their safety as a way to avoid punishment for something that they know was wrong. It's a totally different and FAR more abusive thing than struggling with innate suicidal ideation. I've just witnessed two people use this exact situation in the past month IRL, and it's disgusting every time.

[@astralGrenade]

@@melasnexperience sunny didn't want to avoid accountability. he wanted to avoid confronting the fact that mari is dead at all. not to mention that he genuinely despised himself for it. that's why the ending cuts off before it's revealed the rest of the group's reactions...because they aren't necessary. and a lot of people who are suicidal have reasons for it beyond "innate suicidal ideation"...personally every time i attempted it was because i desperately wanted a way to escape my current situation tl;dr just reread the dialogue for the omori bossfight, it gives a lot of insight to sunny's mindset

[@melasnexperience]

@@astralGrenade See, maybe it's an age thing, but I had zero sympathy for Sunny after that. There were choices made after Mari's actual fall that all could have been avoided, and because he didn't want people to be mad at HIM, he made them & caused infinitely more pain than he would have otherwise. That turned him from "he's hurting too" to "he's trying to get his own ass out of trouble & doesn't care about anyone else". Even his "remorse" is about how it's hurting HIM - not his parents, not making Basil an accomplice & ruining his psyche, not anyone but himself. Cutting off the ending before we see the reactions only underlined that we're supposed to feel bad for someone who just isn't worth it. I'm guessing from your writing style that you're younger than me, and once you've encountered enough real people who don't care who they hurt so long as they're not in trouble or inconvenienced, you'll understand why I don't want to revisit a pity party game for one in my fiction.

[@SpellboundSpectre]

the 2020s were way better as if it was a full decade left

[@goopychill8118]

good video but don't ever fucking threaten my goddamn art program (the time of me forgetting to save did happen once)

[@_Jqwx_]

Nah, all of them did very good job. They made actually good video game about depression! ^^ (Good ending, i guess)

[@insertnamehere1398]

I will say that omo definetly is too casual with her past experiences almost getting cancelled over this and has lead to even MORE drama spawning. like guwrl play it safe!!!

[@BreadApologist]

Another person I’ve never heard of with a controversy I don’t give a crap about. I wonder why I watch these then I remember, extreme boredom and laziness are a terrible combination.

[@yellowcard8100]

Wait, what's wrong with Hololive?

[@lycaptain]

20:21 HA!! IM DRAWING ON PROCREATE AND IT AUTOSAVES!!

[@LuciusYatagerasu]

*Caught drawing* Uh, I have you fullscreen on my other monitor. Do I get a pass???

[@Pelo-x1y]

HAHA I WAS DOING TRADITIONAL ART!!!

[@Brookcario]

20:25 dawg im sorry but im working on a comic i was actually listening and understanding what you were saying 😭😭

[@Riu_Niloh]

You just did not mentioned the shota omori shirt

[@cloverchlover143]

The shirt wasn’t meant to apply to “Shota-con” specifically. The word “Shota” by itself simply means young boy, and doesn’t have to be used sexually.

[@Riu_Niloh]

@@cloverchlover143 Well, but when used by someone who joked and talked about shota-con mutiple times, the purpose of the shirt becomes clear

[@cloverchlover143]

@@Riu_Niloh That is true, although she stated herself “i made a shirt with the word “shota” on it about a year ago. at the time, it didn’t have the same definition as it does now. it was a lesser-used word, and i was under the impression that shota and shotacon meant different things- shota loosely meant “anime boy, or young-looking man” while shotacon referred to the anime boy complex. the shirt was meant to be a parody of those sometimes-ironic “boy” shirts, and was not meant to condone pedophilia in any way. i’ve never even drawn anything sexual in my entire life.” “i’ve taken a lot of time to reflect on this situation. in my mind, “shota” still does not condone pedophilia, but the association between these words has changed since the shirt’s release. it was never my intention to be affiliated with something so harmful, and for this reason, i am going to be taking down the “shota” shirt from OMOCAT SHOP.”

[@sugarsenpai8432]

do you know how contracts work, do your reseach before writing your scripts please

[@Ren_Glitch]

Dude I just got omori two months ago and seeing this was just funny to me 😭

[@redeir]

20:24 jokes on you im drawing traditionally