The White Sox Chaos: Inside MLB's Biggest Mess

[@kamala2111]

This is 100% on JR, he has sucked the life out this organization for 40 plus years.

[@mariocisneros911]

Not for the 1st 25 , but for the last 15

[@TomServo101]

​@@mariocisneros911It was still awful the first 25. Difference is now is that people use the internet and have stats and information available that exposes how big a pos JR is, and has been.

[@michaelleroy9281]

In his 3 rd season 1983 they won a division 99-63 won by 20 games over KC he wasn't a disaster right away

[@TomServo101]

@@michaelleroy9281 He inherited a lot of that. Tony LaRussa and his HOF staff that consisted of Dave Duncan, Jim Leyland, and Dave Dombroski were here already. Then Jerry let his lazy GM hire (Hawk Harrelson) fire all of them 3 years later and they all go on to have HOF careers with other franchises.

[@scottyg3406]

💯%! Born & Raised South sider who's been going to Sox games since 1977. Reinsdorf needs to forever sleep and free this franchise from his death grip.

[@godofsport2494]

When Jerry hired LaRussa because he was his friend, I knew it was doomed from the start, emotional decisions rarely work out in business settings. No disrespect to LaRussa, he was a relic, the game had passed him by. Hinch should have been the hire, he would have been great for the type of team they had at the time, alot of young talent that needed to be molded the modern way, pushing the right buttons at the right time, etc. Jerry set the White Sox back at least 3 - 4 years with that LaRussa hire

[@aidenawe9359]

I disagree with the first/last sentence. Yes nobody liked the LaRussa hire but he didn’t set the team back. Pedro set the team back not LaRussa. And Hinch hasn’t performed well since the cheating scandal.

[@Jleed989]

@@aidenawe9359Hinch hasn’t performed well?? Have you checked lately?

[@anything9988]

You are 100% right, these have been my thoughts exactly. I thought we were a lock to get Hinch, when I heard LaRussa was being considered I thought it was a joke. I knew the team was going to crash with him and lo and behold, he did damage we're still feeling.

[@heavymetalmusichead4969]

​@@aidenawe9359tell you don't know ball without telling me you don't know ball.

[@FIFODavid]

Reinsdorf is definitely more a baseball guy than a basketball guy. his Chicago Bulls were only great when he trusted Jerry Krause to run the Bulls. Before Krause and after Krause the Bulls are largely irrelevant with the exception of 1 season with a pre-injury Derrick Rose. Reinsdorf's hands are all over the White Sox. He is to blame for all the ineptitude and he's still coasting on 6 NBA titles 25+ years ago and a World Series title that happened almost 20 years ago.

[@KazeShikamaru]

He is a baseball guy but still struggles to win baseball games. This is so ironic.

[@SuperReviews4you]

This analytics point Britt made really showed itself with the White Sox deadline moves. Kopech just needed the right team to tell him how to utilize pitches. He alone was worth what the Dodgers gave them and they gave Fedde and Pham to the Cardinals. Fedde was supposed to be the piece that brought back value too.

[@kitekrazee]

Sox have had a history of being fleeced in trades.

[@danmoir7497]

If the Portland Trail Blazers did not have Clyde Drexler, Jerry Reinsdorf's legacy would be the worst owner in sports history

[@urbex_coasters]

He's as bad as John Fisher. Don't forget he's an owner.

[@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kb]

I don’t think there is enough national media on how bad Jerry is. Jerry should forever have to wear this record and MLB should force him to sell the team as he is a black hole and is costing them lots of money and he’s screwed up the third biggest market in the united states

[@aidenawe9359]

Honestly I won’t be surprised another team threatens the L record(even if the Wsox achieve this or not) sooner nor later.

[@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kb]

@@aidenawe9359I am curious as to why you think that because I think it’s the opposite, and that this might never be broken

[@aidenawe9359]

@@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kbI think this because of smaller market or teams not knowing to spend big like the Wsox(not a small market) and the A’s(small market). Because of this, I won’t be surprised if it happens sooner nor later. Also the game evolving and changing as well🤷‍♀️

[@stevenjohnson1143]

@@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kb Good luck with LB making Reinsdorf to sell the team because the team stinks he would have to be found saying either racist things or something stupid neither seems likely

[@daniellinehan63]

Now he's voted onto the HOF Fudging shamefull

[@staticager526]

"well this worked in 2005". So did Myspace, Jerry. Modernize or sell!

[@mikegiammaria]

Sell the team, Jerry

[@raydemos1181]

Bring back old Comisky park and sit Nancy Faust back with her old organ, and the sox will be fun again

[@michaelleroy9281]

Another thing is more likely to happen for new Sox ownership

[@traderoex1]

He won't sell. He wouldn't give us the satisfaction.

[@mikegiammaria]

@@traderoex1 the grinch who stole baseball.

[@VeteranCapybara]

Teams that tank like this should lose draft picks

[@cityhawk]

Not only tank but operate on the cheap as well. The fact that the White Sox never had a player get a $100 million contract is astounding. The franchise has always been plagued by cheap ownership, dating back to Charles Comisky. Want to know why this franchise has settled for mediocrity as the high bar, there’s your answer. Cheap. Cheap. Cheap.

[@jeffgo5742]

@@cityhawkthe White Sox whole history is about owners not paying big players

[@alexpotanos6752]

I WISH this was intentional tanking. That would imply some sort of strategy

[@jaysmith6671]

Sadly they’re not tanking. They’re just that incompetent.

[@3one2hp60]

Brother they arnt tanking. They are just this bad. I’m a STH and we all knew in March they couldn’t pick higher than 10…. They had no reason to tank

[@Komo47]

Sell the team. No fan should go through something like this

[@jamescoogan4167]

Jerry lives so far in the past it’s unbelievable. Remember he won’t let any player wear #6 because of the great two years batting coach Charley Lau had as hitting coach. 🤦‍♂️

[@thomaswolf723]

Jerry grew up in Brooklyn and remains a fan of the Brooklyn Dodgers.

[@jamescoogan4167]

Then he needs to go back there.

[@robertreilly4946]

After 66 years as a White Sox fan, I followed Jason Benetti to the Tigers. Never been happier. Sell the team, Jerry!

[@richott3813]

There are a bunch of issues , but the #1 problem is Reinsdorf. Outside of Grady Sizemore they have no one calling the shot who have played the game. I think that almost daily roster changes is doing more harm than good. In most cases , teams like the Yankees can do a rebuild & be competitive the next year. Also too many chiefs & not enough Indians. With the right people the Sox could be better soon. Sell the team Jerry, now.

[@aidenawe9359]

True, but I don’t solely blame Chris Getz for this disaster

[@Andrewbag6]

@@aidenawe9359Chris Getz agreed to take the job so he’s a big reason to blame for this historic losing season. He was in charge of minor league system and it was always ranked bottom 5 and the trades he made at this last year’s deadline were so bad he should’ve gotten fired from them alone. Getz will just keep his mouth shut do what Jerry demands and he’ll continue to be the meat shield for this horrendous franchise that will probably lose between 110-120 games in ‘25

[@aidenawe9359]

@@Andrewbag6do you mean this trade deadline? He wasn’t the GM back in the 23 deadline

[@muthergoose4084]

As a White Sox fan, I am cheering so hard for them to keep losing. Will be at next Tuesday's home game and can't wait to see the continued fall.

[@aidenawe9359]

Anywhere but to go up after this season😇

[@muthergoose4084]

Don’t put it past Jerry to exceed this year’s lowly performance.

[@aidenawe9359]

@@muthergoose4084I don’t think the Wsox will ever be this bad again.

[@df5295]

It's going to be hard to top this dismal season. How many more games could they lose? All of them?

[@mariocisneros911]

@@muthergoose4084 i can't. I love baseball. I played it near 20 yrs and the White Sox are , will always be my favorite team... It wont do anything having that record, but another shame like the 1919 scandle

[@skfanfanfan]

They should have cleaned house, but the house is full of incompetent Jerry's friends. The only good thing that comes out of this is that the other four teams in the AL Central are laughing.

[@Relentlezz41]

This is honestly impressive. So bad its impressive.

[@alexpotanos6752]

History in the making

[@michaelleroy9281]

Jerry Reinsdorf is stuck in the 50' s with the Brooklyn Dodgers, forget 1981, 1992 or 2005

[@socallowbrow8851]

Another frank McCourt. Sell the team. I'm from los Angeles and a Dodgers fan. I respect the white sox. New management. Bring them back to be competitive. What shame.

[@ronaldstubbs9450]

Jerry has been penny pinching since 1981. Bill Veeck had a deal to sell the team to Edward DeBartolo. But Buhie Kuhn blocked it at the last minute. Jerry sell the team please

[@michaelleroy9281]

There were fears that De Bartolo would have moved the team to New Orleans, although he said he wouldn't do so

[@daniellinehan63]

Blackest day in White Sox history Anti- Italian racism by Bowie kuhn cost us multiple Championships

[@josephnofil3780]

I just looked up the White Sox stats, Team batting average .220, on base percentage .278. How is that even possible ?!? (1962 Mets were .240/.318)

[@daniellinehan63]

At

[@daniellinehan63]

At least '67 Sox had a 2.23 ERA

[@philippliskin9196]

The other day we had Nick Nastrini going against the O's ( I think ). They all just laid off the breaking pitches and walked or waited for him to groove one. They had a plan. We on the other hand look completely clueless

[@TomServo101]

Jerry Reinsdorf is so freaking bad for baseball its insane. Theres a reason all these former alum from Aj, Konerko, Buerhle, Mj, Pippen, etc want nothing to do with Reinsdorf. He's a giant loser

[@daniellinehan63]

He hated paying MJ

[@TomServo101]

@@daniellinehan63 which is mind blowing to me. MJ made the Bulls the most famous sports team on the entire Planet for over a decade.

[@dashrendar7282]

As a Mets fan this just rings home how blessed we are to now be under the care of uncle Steve

[@aidenawe9359]

I think Getz is trying his best to modernize the White Sox. Time will tell if Getz is a fine GM.

[@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kb]

He’s going to be fine. He carries water for Jerry

[@aidenawe9359]

@@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kbI don’t blame Chris for taking the job tbh.

[@elwoodblues6663]

[@marblox9300]

JR knows what he is doing. The best or worst gets the headlines. He got the entire baseball world noticing the Chicago White Sox. It's like free publicity.

[@ahogg5960]

Yeah but what good is the free publicity if it doesn't translate into sponsors or money at the gate? A lot of people will look and go "I ain't paying for that. Where's my return on investment? Pay a bunch of money to watch a team lose 100+ games for the next few years? No thanks!"

[@mikemilana2217]

It may be worth Getz reaching out to a Jon Daniels/Chaim Bloom. Analytically minded guys who have failed and have tons of knowledge to share and at the very least build the blueprint for the analytics dept. they could also serve as ambassadors for other potential front office people.

[@aidenawe9359]

Yeah I hope Jerry realizes he fucked up interviewing zero outside candidates. I want him at minimum hire an outside vice president and or president of baseball operations.

[@daniellinehan63]

Jerry won't pay them

[@everydaysports520]

@ScottBraun well said about the MLB being to blame, and I agree there should be a baseline, I bet level of play would rise.

[@josephrinella9874]

I’m an old goat boomer at times but I do believe sabermatrix or analytics can greatly improve the team

[@michaelspain3601]

Reinsdorf can't do anything right... he's a train wreck

[@jpeterson991]

He needs to hire competent people and step away. So when he passes is there any hope of change?

[@Andrewbag6]

@@jpeterson991his son will take over and that’s not the best thing either cuz Michael is in charge of the Bulls and they’re a train wreck still

[@brewcrew5854]

they need "wild thing- willie mays hayes " and "pedro " and someone who puts snot on the ball !

[@elwoodblues6663]

they got rid of the gm and kept the two managers who never had one ounce of fundemental foundation i never seen a team that wouldnt hustle when running and could not execute a bunt or beat a shift or move runners along when they were in scoring position. that is on the managers the talent that was there was great but their lack of success was because of their culture and the worst pitching coach in history and all of their players which were given away are all doing great. so now the talent is gone and you are left with the wizard gm and the a.k.a pitching coach

[@ChairmanMeow1]

Its fun to pile on Reinsdorf but the players deserve a large part of the blame too - just pathetic.

[@stevenjohnson1143]

If the White Sox lose out they need to lose 100 games next year to break the 3 year record for losses breaking the Astros 322

[@johnhassleberg7242]

I’m sorry but in spite of Jerry Reinsdorf, the Bulls won 6 championships thanks to Micheal Jordan and the 2005 White Sox only maybe the McCaskeys are the worst owners in all of sports😊

[@jimjames6990]

Jerry Reinsdork is saving his 2 billion dollars. Take with him to the grave. The Dumest, Cheapest owner ever

[@JADiaz10]

15:14 Pedro was the worst manager of all time. Tony had the same squad at .500 half-asleep with the same amount of information. He was truly awful.

[@mariocisneros911]

And La Russa i think is still around the team . Insane . He and Reinsdorf are 80 years old

[@Dee_Rod]

Every team and organization, for that matter, have disagreements on how to use data. Politicians use the same facts/data to give a differnt narrative; as an example. Do you think other teams like the Astros and O's didn't make mistakes when they first dived into a analytics? There weren't any disagreements? Part of the learning process part of the learning curve. Growing pains. This is what the WSOX are doing now.. granted it's 10 years behind.

[@aidenawe9359]

Your not wrong

[@mikemccutcheon8372]

You have to try to loose that many games

[@prs44]

hey...i got a great idea....a new stadium.....yeah, that will work

[@henrykonkel5065]

When you look at the 44 year tenure of Jerry Reinsdorf, he really hasnt accomplished that much in that time period.

[@michaelleroy9281]

When you look at the 124 years of the White Sox, they have only won 3 World Series, every owner the team has had, hasn't done much

[@GizmoBeach]

@@michaelleroy9281 Yup. The Cubs ain’t no different; finally won again when John Henry decided to open his checkbook, after restocking their farm w/ actual prospects and hiring people who knew baseball, not just head-nodders. It speaks volumes that the Sox lost 100 or more three times in eighty years, but three times in the last six (ain’t counting 2020) under Reisendorf’s collapsing-star management.

[@ernestconnell8087]

Complete collapse of the organization

[@kturetsky]

They should sign Trevor bauer & yasiel puig what do they havta lose?!

[@williamschlipf9585]

Listening to AJ read ad copy in the middle of this mess is just amazing. Nashville White Sox, here we come!

[@johndonlon1611]

Just wait--------the moving vans will show up at Guaranteed Rate Field at 0400 some day in January and the next stop will be Nashville.

[@daniellinehan63]

Afraid you are correct

[@michaelleroy9281]

This is not 1984, this is not a Baltimore/ Indianapolis Colts type situation , No moving vans have been told to show up , this is not like the Colts and Raiders who just up and left without league approval

[@johndonlon1611]

@@michaelleroy9281 Add a "yet" to that statement but I hope I'm dead wrong.

[@alrad5686]

Sox have the best minor league pitching prospect pool in baseball. So the future isn't THAT bleak. Provided they get a good manager and coaching staff. Also, the Sox had a top 10 payroll for many years before this one. They just don't overpay players.

[@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kb]

Who’s going to hit? Things really are bad. There has not been one player that have developed that can hit

[@alexpotanos6752]

Unfortunately their player development is a total mess. That’s why so many of their top prospects are a total bust

[@aidenawe9359]

^This. You could always buy a bat even if it’s cheap. You can NEVER have too much pitching.

[@aidenawe9359]

@@alexpotanos6752the issue is development of a hitter not a pitcher. The Sox know how to develop a pitcher. Chris Sale, Crochet, Buehrle, possibly Rodon and others.

[@aidenawe9359]

@@JiuJitsuLife-xr8kbthe last hitter the Sox developed was Tim Anderson.

[@thopp9761]

Losing is the White Sox way.

[@rogercarlson6300]

Next season is the White Sox 125th year in MLB. Let's celebrate that with 125 Losses! You think I'm wrong? Be Real Man!

[@ryansmith290]

Kenny Williams is the biggest egoist and narcissist. "You better stay out of White Sox business."

[@daniellinehan63]

His last trade,7 hrs before his final day, traded Jake Burger to spite us Sox fans.

[@ryansmith290]

@@daniellinehan63 Totally. Burger would have been the only true major leaguer on this offense this yr and been fan favorite. We could have used his 29 home runs.

[@josephrinella9874]

I don’t know who would but that team .Freddy brazowski was interested in 1980 But he’s either dead or too old now .Really, who wants them ?

[@josephrinella9874]

Next year im turning off the tv and put the radio on to listen to Len and dj , I can’t stand those 2 announcers

[@daniellinehan63]

John the Shill/ Shrill Shiffler Steve Yes Jerry Stone

[@josephrinella9874]

Larussa should stop making decisions

[@josephrinella9874]

I mean BUY the team - dam phone

[@The_Fat_Hipster]

Fire Brooks boyer

[@gregorygallagher6917]

🤣

[@aidenawe9359]

Do you mean Brooks Boyer?

[@The_Fat_Hipster]

@@aidenawe9359 i do, lol

[@drumitar]

who cares what type of plane they use lol.

[@gregorygallagher6917]

Apollo Creed "When this is over, a lot of folks are gonna owe you an engraved apology". Go get em Getz

[@josephrinella9874]

Go to Nashville

[@Jleed989]

No

[@michaelleroy9281]

I'd be more concerned about Salt Lake City, Utah has 900 million approved for new sports facilities

[@watsonroadster3707]

Go back to Wrigley...

[@marblox9300]

Does anybody really care if a sports team is losing??? They only care if a team is really good - everything else is irrelavant.

[@mikelfrance-l6x]

What's this? No whining about Oakland? How can that be?

[@michaelleroy9281]

There's plenty of Oakland A's talk all this coming week ahead of their final game in Oakland on Thursday

[@Ejb905]

Why does Chicago need 2 teams? The city now ranks 4th in population, now Toronto is 3rd. If the city power elite make deals to build the Sox and Bears new stadiums ill be sick

[@Relentlezz41]

Both have been around for over a century

[@df5295]

Tradition. The Cubs go back to 1876 and the Sox go back to 1901.

[@michaelleroy9281]

Toronto doesn't count, they're in Canada

[@michaelleroy9281]

Toronto is not a US city, so it doesn't rank, Chicago is the 3 rd largest market in the country

[@Jsmitty5]

Because the Sox have been around for over a hundred years and there’s still a lot of fans, not to mention a huge market in Chicago. The only reason people don’t realize the Sox have a good fanbase is because the cubs might have the second largest in baseball.

[@Paulandrew1976]

The mouth of Souron.

[@robertpuffer9721]

All due respect for how bad the White Sox ownership is, however as long as fisher owns the Oakland A's he will be MLB's biggest mess. Should the White Sox move from Chicago then they can enter the discussion.

[@scottyg3406]

Any knowledgeable baseball fan would trade the Sox entire franchise of players/coaches for the A's brighter future any day now.

[@aidenawe9359]

@@scottyg3406I disagree on the last sentence. The A’s do this rebuild/rinse/repeat every 4-5 years though🤷‍♀️. John Fisher is just as bad if not worse than JR.

[@Jsmitty5]

The As have made the playoffs 7 times in my lifetime, the White Sox have only made it 3 times and have never won a playoff series. Oakland has been a much better team over the past 18 years than the White Sox, and the Sox are averaging 15 thousand more people a game as the worst team of all time. In 2021 the As we’re coming off a playoff season and for much of the year battling for a wild card spot, but they still had the worst attendance in baseball. Not defending John fisher, I think he’s a horrible owner but the fans have been much more supportive of the Sox than the As despite the Sox being much much worse

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@scottyg3406I don't call playing in a minor league ballpark in Sacramento a bright future, the players might be detailed by heatstroke playing in that park

[@RobertMenge-rj9dj]

AJ.....the White Sox apologist.......SMH

[@MichaelOSullivan-l8g]

Build Them A New Ball Park Now

[@anthonykosinski2390]

First of all their future doesn't look dim you guys will all apologize in a few years when they're winning again stop doing shit for clicks

[@aidenawe9359]

Anywhere but to go up after this season.

[@ryansmith290]

Colson Montgomery sucked this year

[@scottyg3406]

You're an amazing lack of intelligence.

[@anthonykosinski2390]

The pitching is going to be elite

[@aidenawe9359]

@@anthonykosinski2390I do look forward to that.

[@joesaiditstrue]

15:20 Jerry might consider it a tough decision but in reality it's pretty simple Chris Getz and Brooks f'ing Boyer gotta go

[@Andrewbag6]

Brooks Boyer is who “BB” is and he’s also the one responsible for convincing Jerry to let Jason Benetti walk cuz they didn’t want to pay his worth. I absolutely HATE the executives that Jerry keeps around to kiss his ass and BB is Jerry’s trombone champion

[@somerandomguy5977]

You'd have to be insane to think analytics only brings good. Analytics has a superiority complex yet constantly changes. Less than five years ago it was throw your four seamer high and throw low curveballs. Now it's don't throw curveballs because they're too slow. Throw a slider, or ugh "sweeper". Some statistics say velocity matters more, others say movement does. You still can't quantify deception and making guys throw as hard as they can has made arm injuries for pitchers skyrocket.

[@joesaiditstrue]

pretty ignorant comment

[@DerbyKnowledge93]

CUBS WIN !!

[@harveycooper7600]

Win What?

[@DerbyKnowledge93]

@@harveycooper7600 win MORE than poor poor republiCON Jerry Reinsdorf team. 43 YEARS of Jerry, and only ONE time did they win in the playoffs. And Jerry cant figure it out. LOLOL. What a pathetic owner. And WHO does he hire as GM ? Getz, who was in charge of player development, where no players were developed. Cant make this stuff up.

[@michaelleroy9281]

They were eliminated from the playoffs on Sunday September 22

[@DerbyKnowledge93]

@@michaelleroy9281 Sox were eliminated from the playoffs on Thursday March 28th.

[@michaelleroy9281]

​@@DerbyKnowledge93No surprise, that was predicted to happen for them that day