The Witness and The Final Shape Explained (Before Lightfall)

[@BrazarB]

I know this is an old video but i just got it recommended to me, how you narrate and explain things is done pretty well, & looking back at Unveiling & the recent news of the Witness's origins gives Unveiling more depth/ confusion, I believe that Unveiling is an allegory between the Gardener(Traveler) and Itself (Witness/Winnower), & the purpose of Unveiling was to try & get us to join It's side for the Final Shape

[@ronniehardaway]

Wow, this was so in depth. Subscribed

[@sqtisfy]

i think the witness isnt the same as the winnower, as you said in the books of the unveiling there is nothing linking them together but also in those books the winnower says that it thinks of us as something useful, something majestic, as opposed to the witness he says that the traveler has run out of pawns and basically dismissing us And also i dont think we are lightbearers, i mean yeah we wield the light but also the dark, we use weapons of dark since the start of destiny 1, we defeat a lot of enemies with objects of darkness and i think we are the balance of the universe just as darkness can be used against the witness, the light has been also used against us, so i think we will lose some of the light in some way and use the darkness to bring balance

[@F-aber]

I'm pretty sure that the winnower and the gardener aren't the witness and traveler and are actually the darkness and light respectively

[@catboygaming7799]

Yay new eforme video!!!

[@FAUXCUSpd]

bout to watch this whole thing

[@mikebt-74]

Perhaps the Gardener and the Winnower were the Traveler and the Witness, before Light and Darkness, before the birth of the cosmos. The Traveler created the Light, and for those to wield it, the same as the Witness. Proven to us that we can wield the Darkness even if the Witness is the creator of it, also means, that we can still wield the Light, without the aid of the Traveler. The Traveler guides us, shows us the path of becoming a Lightbearer. But we never needed the Traveler to wield his paracausal force that was created by it. It is a form given existence that flows and binds everyone together. The same as the Darkness. But since little is known about the Gardener and the Winnower, everything is left to interpretation.

[@EternalBlaZeon]

What is your opinion on the launch trailer?

[@internisus]

While the sword logic is reminiscent of social darwinism, I read the Unveiling/Witness’s arguments against suffering = existence as more akin to antinatalism.

[@grandmas_special_boyy]

myelin games has a really good video explaining what "the pattern" is and how the vex are searching for it. Great video tho love that book