The women DESTROYING Star Wars

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[@SydneyWatson]

Sign up for a 14-day free trial and enjoy all the amazing features MyHeritage has to offer. bit.ly/SydneyWatson Guys, there were SO many clips I left out of this that would have made you insane to watch. These new Star Wars people are unhinged.

[@Zentz29]

😆 the people who took over Star Wars are literally the villains of Star Wars 🤷‍♂️

[@dickdeoreo]

Maybe you can release it still? Bonus material or something? It will give you something else to drop to the algorithm’s delight and I’m sure we will all love to see it, nonetheless

[@nickjordan8996]

At :45 I swear, I thought those were condoms at first glance!! Hahahaha.

[@theangryimp1345]

This video is the best I have seen covering this topic and this concept as a whole. I'm really pleased this video was made and I want to thank you for doing the work to show evidence and covering the story. The art of storytelling is getting lost to politics but if we hold them accountable we can defend that same art!

[@ChiTown2k69]

Sydney made a 33 minute video stating that women can’t write good Star Wars stories because according to her women can only write stories because they are low key feminists and that means they really don’t like Star Wars …. OK… And George Lucas sold this intellectual property YEARS ago and yet Disney STILL is bringing lore and expanded content into the stories and most of if not ALL of the male characters are Jedi and/or main characters alongside the ONE central female character. Yeah… ok. Thank you Sydney for telling us all what we’re supposed to watch because YOU said so.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

The best comment I've read "The people who used to bully you for liking Star Wars are now the ones in control of it."

[@wekurtz72]

I've only ever gotten eye-rolling from women when I admit I was/am (??) a Star Wars nut. But the Force is female now. And up is actually down now, apparently.

[@Jacen777]

They don't even like Star Wars. They just want to control it and ruin it because that's what they do.

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

​@wekurtz72 The force is male. The 'Thread' is female.

[@bad_alien347]

Give credit where due. Star wars theory said this first LIVE on stream during the power of mannyy episode.

[@sonicsnake44]

​@theghostofmaximumvolume3414 I am not sure about that the thread did conceive a child.

[@tonyclements1147]

Any woman over 21 that says “yasss yasss” or “queen” I can’t take seriously, and Disney SW is full of them.

[@wekurtz72]

Are you talking about the historically accurate Anne Boleyn woman?

[@Valendax]

Any person at any age that says those things I can't take seriously.

[@patrickday4206]

about as bad as valley girl

[@wolfen8622]

We should be legally obliged to get put yass queens into jail.

[@ukog6048]

She only had one audience there lol

[@thenickseditious]

They admit it's a male dominant Fandom. So make woke gay girl movies? This is like Nike deciding to only make high heels.

[@stephenpmurphy591]

Or using trans models for woman's athletic wear. Good judgment.

[@patrickday4206]

nice one yeah

[@BPF80MCar-vi1pg]

I can't believe Disney has allowed this

[@stephenpmurphy591]

@@thenickseditious Cartmen-Kennedy told us their game plan. If I type it out U Tooobe will remove my comment.

[@robderich8533]

"This is like Nike deciding to only make high heels." And make them gay and lame.😄

[@cholohd32]

An old baker sells his store after 40 years of selling bread. The new owner of the store put only meat on the shelfes, but dosnt change the "baker" shop sign & even puts out news adverts with "bread for sale". Old customers keep entering the store asking for bread but is told that "bread has too many carbs in them & is unhealty, you should buy meat instead". And if they dont buy bread or complain they get told they they are all kinda "ists" & "phobes". A trick that may have worked on a new customer, but never on a old one.

[@25meip]

Imagine there's a boy playing in a sandbox. And there's a girl next to it that's jumping rope. The girl turns to the boy and says, "hey can I play with you?" And the boy, excitedly responds, "you want to play in the sandbox with me? Sure!" So the girl gets in the sandbox and immediately starts jumping rope. The rope destroys the castle the boy was working on, flings sand and cat turds everywhere and prevents the boy from trying to make anything new. The boy, with tears in his eyes, asks, "why are you jumping rope in the sandbox?" And the girl responds, "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN?" That's pretty much everything in nerd culture the past few years

[@joerodriguez8627]

😂😂

[@scrbroadcast]

Accurate

[@thatpatrickguy3446]

That's a pretty brilliant analogy. Kudos!

[@user-yv4mm6bx3c]

That's a great analogy. I'm going to remember that one.

[@Tigerbythetoe]

Brilliantly describes it!

[@DaeRiyonRStaton]

So let me get this straight…they say they want it to be less “men” focused and want to make men uncomfortable and if men don’t like then “don’t watch”…but then they’re upset when men don’t wanna watch their stuff?!

[@Chordonblue]

When they laughed about the 'gayest Star Wars' comment - they weren't laughing about that. They were laughing at what the normies would think. SOOoooo funny, eh? 🙄🙄

[@tangomoggynoengi8518]

​@@ChordonblueYou could quite literally see the cringe..! You saw they were taken aback and then realised that they had to respond somehow, because they were on camera...

[@Chordonblue]

@@tangomoggynoengi8518 It's b/c people like this literally cannot help themselves. They start to feel at ease among their kind and they talk and talk and talk. It's why O'Keefe has so many hidden camera videos of people saying stupid things they'd NEVER say normally. These people have an agenda, and it is pernicious and intentional.

[@robotx4242]

@@Chordonblue The nervous laughter was because they didn't want to say the quiet part out loud.

[@zzzsleepingdragonzzz]

Nailed it!

[@TheNewSoda]

How the f*** is Star Wars patriarchal dude literally a Woman led the rebellion

[@IllisiaAdams]

So far, by my count, *3* women have led rebellions within Star Wars, and I cannot think of a single male leader.

[@lethalmantis89]

The women responsible for all these mayor franchises now have absolutely no clue what anything is about :') Everything they say feels like they are from another universe

[@wekurtz72]

That's the problem. Women led it. Remember Admiral Holdo? She wasn't so great. And Rey makes my eyes cross in anger.

[@MedalionDS9]

She doesn't know a damned thing about Star Wars, she is just mouthing what the new intended audience want to hear... YAS YAS lmao

[@Lonovavir]

Anakin destroyed the Death Star according to the Acolyte crowd. You can't expect them to remember Mon Mothma.

[@BradGroux]

The Disney feminists are so damn clueless. Princess Leia was the real hero of the original trilogy. From George Lucas himself, "She is a senator. She graduated from college. She's a very smart person, very much in control. And she's a good shot. And the two guys were - one was naive and didn't know anything, had no knowledge. The other one thought he knew everything, but he didn't know anything, either. She is the one that knew everything. She was the one that was driving the whole story... When you've lined them up, she's the main character, for God's sake.”

[@JoshuaKelly-hf2kx]

It’s similar to Link and Zelda, we may spend more time with Link but the games are called “Legend of Zelda”.

[@johnj8585]

If Leai wasn't involved pretty much no story points would be possible. Though most of them were background characters the rebels were the backbone of the whole series and Leai was the one who was the key to getting them moving. She was essentially the final say in the alliance and without her Luke and Han would've been two bumbling idiots trying to fight the empire with no backup other than 2 droids and Chewbacca

[@ferrisbueller9991]

IT IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH NO SOFT POWER WOMEN NEED TO BE SEEN EXERTING POWER THAT MIRRORS TOXIC MASCULINITY

[@samuel3253]

Leai was a damsel in distress that led 2 bumbling idiots into the trash compactor. R2D2 saved their asses and safety carried the death star plans to the rebels. I'm not sure if R2D2 is binary or non binary but he's definitely gender neutral. Did I say he? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@FredFury8268]

George Lucas showed us in his original sequel trilogy script that it ends with Leia saving the galaxy, becoming Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Senate and apparently he makes it clear that Leia is the Chosen One, bringing peace/balance to the force.

[@rmglover3191]

The cognitive dissonance of condemning men for not liking something that was not made for men is astounding.

[@joelwillems4081]

WNBA... at least before Clark. At least women's soccer figured out they had to appeal to young girls who'd grow up into adults to support them. You have to create a fanbase, not demand one or take one over.

[@bobisbob646]

Just plain old narcissism. The only reason they're involved in this project at all is because they think they can infuriate you by shitting on your favorite childhood memories. It's 100% spite from worthless, talent-free narcissistic assholes.

[@JB-ti7bl]

@@joelwillems4081 STAR WARS is doing just that. Greg Owen mentioned this week that his pre-teens love the new STAR WARS. That IS the target audience.

[@viridian8786]

@@JB-ti7blWhich shows do you mean by "New Star Wars"?

[@MrKurtfinn]

Nah cognitive dissonance is just the norm that we have to swim through

[@mmluon]

As a man who would have been considered a black nerd in my youth, I take great offense at the notion that sci-fi fans are all violent racists. My group of nerds were whites, blacks, Native Americans, and Jewsish. Knowledge and love of the genre was the only prerequisite.

[@brownronin]

As a brown-skinned asian nerd, i second this comment. Nerds come in all colours and they were more accepting than other people i grew up with.

[@scottneil1187]

Not all Star Wars fans were nerds either, that's what used to be great about it, it was once for everyone.

[@David-xt5ob]

I hate the constant attack that sci/fi fans wasn’t inviting / friendly etc. Absolute garbage and projection as if anything sci-fi has lead the charge in representation from before it was a thing.

[@chayftonjohnson7425]

I totally agree. At the age of 45, I've never felt threatened or whatever this professional victim is spewing. These individuals need to stop spreading this imaginary racism they've experienced all of their 20 some years of life. I have nerd friends like you guys of different ethnicities and backgrounds, and that's the way it's always been. Never once has a person ever come to me and say you don't belong because you're not the right color. These people need to stop with the foolishness.

[@HAKIMOSANARQUISTAS]

As a gypsy nerd that that make new materials for physics, I can atest that's real and we was ever diverse among us ! But we want the tales as they where before... ORIGINAL

[@Arob4343]

George: Star Wars is about dictatorships ruining things Kathleen: So Star Wars needs a dictatorship ruining things?

[@christiangilligan9186]

Nothing like empirical research.

[@razorback9999able]

Cargo cult in a nutshell!

[@doritoreiss8089]

What a shame because he created a beautiful thing. I absolutely loved Star Wars as a little girl in the late 70s/early 80s.

[@Deadpoolion]

It’s still funny when I remember an interview with Kathleen Kennedy in 2015 in which she said we don’t have hundreds of books and comics like Marvel to film them. Forgetting that they exist, hundreds of books and comics on Star Wars written over 50 years, but which were canceled as not canon. Moreover, having canceled old books and comics, they continued to steal ideas from them. Like the Emperor's clones, The Return of Boba Fett, the division of the Mandaroans into 2 nations

[@Bambam-]

She should've been captured and locked up then and there.

[@nicoledoubleyou0621]

The South Park episode pretty much nailed it with their "hire a woman and make her gay" Disney/Kathleen Kennedy episode. 💯

[@IllisiaAdams]

It wasn't a Disney episode. It was a culture war episode. Yes, it had a few scenes about Disney, but that wasn't all it was. And the episode was taking the mick out of *both sides* of the "culture war" ("woke", anti-woke, etc).

[@nicoledoubleyou0621]

Part of the episode satires what's going on at Disney, and how all the wokeness is the reason for DISNEYS latest/most recent failures. (2023) via Kathleen Kennedy. In that shortened summary (obviously much more is going on, and the explanations are nuts, it is South Park). But the initial jist of the mockery is on point!! Lol that's all I was saying

[@stephenpmurphy591]

Put a chick in and make her gay.....and lame.

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@IllisiaAdams The episode focused heavily on Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger . . . and while it did take shots at all sides of the issue, Disney was clearly the primary target.

[@The_LightArrow]

Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay

[@judgegrowler]

Remember when everyone thought Jar Jar Binks from Episode One was the worst thing that ever happened to Star Wars? 😂😭

[@Allie-w1l]

Yeah. I never thought anything would make me like Jar Jar, but now if someone made him a wisecracking, womanizing anti-hero, I'd buy Jar Jar ears and T-shirt and sit in the front row.

[@christopheranderson2576]

I thought Jar Jar was a better character for The Clone Wars CG series. That said, the woman who designed Jar Jar also designed the pathetic tiny elephant headed alien that was inserted into the original cantina scene in the special editions. Jar Jar was doomed from the start.

[@bgezal]

Jar Jar is the best sith lord.

[@AsurmenHandOfAsur]

Look up the Darth Jar Jar theory. Darth Jar Jar also secretly controlling Palpatine.

[@Kendrone]

“Maybe I treated you too harshly”

[@tonic4120]

“I can’t see myself in this franchise, so I must insert myself into it. In order to enjoy my work, you need to be able to step into my shoes, or else you’re a bigot, even though I cannot step into yours.”

[@JB-ti7bl]

"Equality = Bigotry." -Leftists

[@etch-e-sketch4051]

A concise way of stating exactly what I've been feeling. Imma take this for my own!

[@NThommo]

A female acquaintance of mine conducted a shaming campaign at her workplace to apply peer pressure to some male colleagues so they would allow her to join their after-hours darts club. When they relented and she attended her first meeting she didn't find it very enjoyable and never attended another meeting. All that shaming for what?

[@alexv3372]

I hope she got fired

[@alexv3372]

I hope she got fired

[@TopherHudson]

Mon Mothma and Princess Leia led the whole freaking rebellion against a male emperor. How TF is that patriarchal?

[@-Ventrix-]

I am pretty sure none of the writers nor the actors have any knowledge of star wars

[@Slavic_Slavage]

They don't want equality. They want to oppress anything masculine

[@Slavic_Slavage]

It's not about eeeeequal!ty anymore they want to oppresssss3 anything massscul!nee

[@zarabee2880]

They were too white mate, and weren’t massively OP. How do you call THAT a strong female?! Pathetic 😂

[@holybacontoast9615]

Don't forget legends, multiple women leaders during old republic, the leader of naboo is a queen, one of the largest slaver groups is lead by a women (talking about the Zygerrians) Mandalore A warrior culture had a duchess, like if they actually did some research the writer would know shit, God they be idiots

[@blaznskais2048]

-Padme beat a grown man in an election at 14. Ruled a planet for 2 terms and then had a respected career as a senator. -Alderaan was ruled by a Queen whose adopted daughter went on to start and lead the rebellion against the Galactic Empire, the splintered remains of said empire and the First Order. -Mandalore was ruled by a Duchess and then her sister. As well as having clans lead by a Matriarch. -The Night Sisters. Who were also dominant over the Night Brothers in their society. -The Queen of Geonosis -the many female bounty hunters -all the female Jedi that served as equals to their male counterparts. -The Head scientist of the Kaminoans was a female Yes, please tell me more about the blatant and widespread patriarchy in Star Wars.

[@PeterBalko]

100%, Star Wars was well balanced and rich / realistically build universe prior 2012

[@outlaster3431]

The fact that they put luke in some random planet with a simple family while they made leia a princess , where is the fucking patriachy

[@acedelta12]

Weren't half the Jedi Council members female?

[@CountryAndProud]

All but the first 2 where added by the all women Disney team... fyi

[@canebro1]

Don't forget Mon Mothma!

[@neilharbott8394]

Lucas - it's a story about the perils of selfishness and authoritarianism. Abrams - we want it to appeal to women too. Hedland - we want to alienate men and make them uncomfortable. Star Wars - where did all the fans go?

[@CT-1975]

The fans want to complain regardless of quality. Empire strikes back was hated on release and this cycle will never end. I've seen people complaining that the jedi were "too mean" in Acolyte 💀

[@alreadyblack3341]

@@CT-1975 Nah the acolyte just makes no fucking sense and you have to actually be overdosing on Ketamine to enjoy it. That shooting scene is just burned into my memory. No way she misses, and the effects look that terrible, as a several million dollar budget. No, my main gripe with the films is always what is up with the subtly coded incest.

[@RaikenXion]

Bob Iger - Where did all the Money go?

[@olliegreen3446]

the last one didnt happen, but ok. why is it an issue at all that star wars also wanna appeal to women?

[@CT-1975]

​@@alreadyblack3341 how does it not make sense. Give examples. Because all the complaints about it making no sense are just people who don't know star wars. Right off the bat we have people complaining that the jedi were too mean and lied. The jedi have always been like that and it's the biggest reason Anakin turned to the dark side. They don't want to believe the sith are back and we see this in the Bane trilogy. The woke stuff, I understand, it can be annoying; but the fans aren't helping at all with that narrative.

[@willthebeast8002]

Can somebody explain to me one thing Modern Feminism has done for anybody?

[@beestingza]

By most polls, women are more unhappy now than before the feminist revolution.

[@Bambam-]

It's ruined people's much needed escape from reality

[@Zeromus5555]

We need to STOP hiring people based on gender, pronouns, and diversity politics and hire people who are actually talented, knowledgeable and good at their jobs.

[@rbragdish]

This, exactly!

[@Si-ns3wj]

Never gonna happen in this mad, crazy, demented world

[@Soxfandan]

Guess the feminists are out then.

[@mrsoisauce9017]

@@Si-ns3wjthen at the very least, they can hire someone who satisfies both requirements; someone who is talented, knowledgeable and good at their job while ALSO being hired because of their gender, pronouns and diversity politics. If that was done more often, I guarantee you would not be complaining as much

[@DarkAngel4ever14]

@@mrsoisauce9017 Might as well win the lottery at that point. Because having both is that rare. It already hard finding people that have what is required, add a layer of superficial requirements...

[@misanthropicservitorofmars2116]

It’s 2024 and the actors still come out saying “Star wars is patriarchal” Why do these people think insulting your customers is the best approach? I’ve worked quite a few jobs in my life, never saw the approach of just insulting the customer before. Usually I’m instructed to help customers, not insult them.

[@capenjck]

It kinda feels like revenge, right? They are going to take the franchise and destroy it just to spite the patriarchy.

[@thegrimharvest]

​@@capenjckpeople who can't even run a hot dog stand and hate hot dogs buy a successful hot dog cart. You order a hotdog, get a bowl of imitation vegan gruel instead. You say, where's my hotdog? They insist that IS your hotdog. You give it back and ask for a refund. They ask why you hate them, is it because you're afraid, ignorant and intolerant? When you say you're never doing business with them again if this is how they're going to treat you as a customer, they scream at you. They don't want your business and they don't need you as a customer! They claim that they were never allowed to have a hotdog cart or to eat hotdogs before because the hotdog cart owners were all just evil and hateful. So...y'know, it's now their turn, but those are GOOD things now, and it's both right and neccessary when THEY do it. Hotdogs aren't for you anymore! But you should still buy them anyways. They deserve to have a successful hotdog cart, because of their past "injuries" from hotdogs and hotdog cart ​owners.

[@PxThucydides]

There are men in it. That makes it patriarchal. Truly eliminating patriarchy would require eliminating every single male from the story. Which may happen: note that in group photos of the makers of The Acolyte, there are no males present.

[@weedpuff]

Remember when Diablo was announced to move to your phone instead of making something on the computer? That left more of the same without the reverse sexism.

[@thegrimharvest]

@@weedpuff "Do you guys not have phones?" As always in these cases, they've already made their plans and put them into action. Now they just look for ways to justify it, or to shame and silence opposition.

[@nexx410]

As a female Starwars fan I have locked the canon to the G Lucas movies and will not participate in new things. I don’t comment, watch or show any interest because you can’t get me to smell shit so many times. The Disney Star Wars is just NOT Star Wars and people writing this should first earn some credit before attaching themselves to something with history.

[@TraaaaaasshBooooaaaatttt]

Same episode 7+ doesnt exist as far as im concerned. I still watched mandalorian because it was good its own merit. And i watched the bad batch but omega was so annoying it was a slog. But nothing else

[@harryedwards4080]

Read the Legend books.. like *The Old Republic* books not to be confused with the new bullshit cannon ones which replaced them called *The High Republic* which the acolyte story is a part of and were written by a load of female authors brought in by KK and Lucas arts, all of which had never wrote SW books before . What happens after Return of the Jedi in the legends timeline is a million times better than all that Force Awakens crap. Like the books which are known as The Thrawn Trilogy *Heir to the Empire* (1991), *Dark Force Rising* (1992), and *The Last Command* (1993) .Dont give up on Star Wars, just give up with all this new 'cannon' rubbish

[@nexx410]

@@harryedwards4080 the force is with me always 😂

[@deboraballes9044]

"You can't get me to smell shit so many times" 😅😅 Also female fan from when the original movie came out, the needless destruction of such an awesome franchise is so heart breaking.....leave it all alone and go out and make another story for your tastes😒

[@nexx410]

@@deboraballes9044 🙌🙌🙌

[@TheOrcaBoss]

Here’s the thing about Ahsoka that you leave out tho Yes, when Ahsoka was first introduced, she was universally hated because of her overconfident attitude, then later on during The Clone Wars series, Ahsoka starts getting more and more character development, and then she eventually became a fan favorite by everyone

[@spank86]

And also that the plan was for her to be hated at first. That was how she was written.

[@KillaTCB]

Another thing about Ahsoka was that her brattiness and unlikeable traits were deliberate, so they could give her a character arc to grow out of those flaws so we got the Ashoka from the end of the clone wars and rebels that people liked. Then the Ashoka show came out and made her a jerk and made Sabine a Jedi instead of a mandalorian because mandalorians aren't mainstream enough.

[@TheOrcaBoss]

@@KillaTCB you didn’t watch rebels did you? She was already training to be a jedi

[@KillaTCB]

@@TheOrcaBoss she was a mandalorian with the dark saber and Jedi training. The Ashoka show tried retconning that so she was being fully trained as a Jedi with a bit of mandalorian for flavor. My gripe is Disney couldn't let her stay a mandalorian, they had to make her a Jedi because that's more mainstream. I am totally fine with her having some lightsaber training but the force takes away from her being mandalorian, one of the few groups who could take Jedi and Sith in a fight without the force or some force nullifying hack.

[@TheOrcaBoss]

@@KillaTCB more like bringing in a new Mandalorian Jedi, like the legends before

[@Muljinn]

How to recover? Step 1, fire Kathleen Kennedy. Step 2, purge everyone she hired at Lucasfilm. Step 3, hire people who *care* about Star Wars, though not the insane fans. Step 4, concentrate on writing *good* stories.

[@thomaszanzal7846]

And put a few traditional Republican old school conservatives, along with the others , in the writing room.

[@khal7702]

basically white males instead DEI hires ​@thomaszanzal7846

[@greatestever8514]

@@thomaszanzal7846na. definitely very hard pass on that. The op’s idea was perfect. Conservatives will do the same thing as the people currently in charge but in the opposite direction, or just restrict any new ideas all together. Just need focus on good stories made within the lore of the show

[@thomaszanzal7846]

@@greatestever8514 Put them there for balance that is all. I assure you evryone in the Star Wars writing rooms are hard core democrat liberals.

[@lvjkb7026]

lol hire at least one insane fan

[@Mike_Bitcoin_X]

Women failed The Acolyte. Not men. Not the fans.

[@IllisiaAdams]

Eh?

[@wekurtz72]

Not just. Women wrecked Marvel (M-SHE-U), James Bond, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Willow, and more recently all video games. Why can't they just leave boy-brands alone?

[@Avalanche3769]

Its not even necessarily women - you should be putting people in roles who are qualified. Having a writing team that is 75% women is fine - provided they are good collaborative writers. It shouldnt be a headline for the sake of itself.

[@wekurtz72]

@@Avalanche3769 I dunno. Maybe in the past, but now? There's no evidence to support that women can entertain anymore - they can only be activists. Unless you're talking Katherine Bigelow, there's no one left.

[@sianais]

​@IllisiaAdams I'm assuming he means the direction along with the fact most women by an overwhelming majority don't watch this sht "made for us." Hell, look at Bridgerton. They aren't struggling for viewers. Barbie (the brand more than the actual movie) damn near acted as a beacon for the bright pink girly sht my s/x never stopped loving in some way. People went crazy and were playing dressup. Women and girls haven't showed up for any of this sht. If he means the direction, I agree. As for female viewers, nope. "Women" never asked for this, these ideologically captured Hollywood modern feminists are the ones whining for this nonsense. They are a minority. They do not speak for women regardless of their delusions, and the proof of that is their constant failures.

[@FrodoLundo]

The shame is that these people overshadow genuinely brilliant female writers

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Like....?

[@sheilaarkurshicin]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Karen Traviss who created the Republic Commando series and further added to Mandalorian lore, including coming up with their language and a Lot of their culture. And while some may not like her writing style, they can't say she didn't contribute to Star Wars considering an entire Video Game based around her Delta Squad Commando characters was made. And is still considered one of the best Squad Based shooter games, even if it was a bit jank at the end due to production problems and time crunch.

[@ageeknameddavis7628]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz JK Rowling, Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, Jennifer Kent, Agatha Christie,

[@tjroelsma]

@@ageeknameddavis7628 Ah, but you see: you can't take THOSE female writers seriously now, as they "supported" the patriarchy by creating feminine (the horror!) protagonists that used their skills and charmes to achieve what they set out to do and they were active BEFORE the LGBT-whatever community took over and therefore didn't exist as far as they are concerned. In stark contrast, modern day "writers" can only write about "the patriarchy", LGBT-whatever, The Message and how men MUST be humiliated and cucked every second they're on screen, in order to let cardboard-cutout, theoretical women, "shine".

[@ph8enix]

@@ageeknameddavis7628 Do us all a favour and don't throw Rowling and Christie in the same pot 😂

[@XPGaming3]

I support inclusion but I don't think Hollywood understands what inclusion means. I think of inclusion as genders and races are equal, neither is better than the other, they all get equal treatment. but Hollywood seems to think "Oh inclusion, let's make men dumb idiots that need to be saved by women." that Melissa McCarthy Ghostbusters movie is a perfect example. No one, and I mean no one thinks setting up the phones means putting it in a fish tank. They made him dumb for no reason other than "Inclusion! lets make men stupid!" Personally, I think The Super Mario Bros. Movie did it right. Peach lived in The Mushroom Kingdom since she was a kid, she learned from years of experience how to survive. Mario on the other hand was thrown into this world and had to learn on the fly. So it makes sense Peach would be better than Mario. Luke with a bit of training lost his first fight against Vader and lost his hand, but Rey picked up a lightsaber for the first time and arguably won that fight against Kylo. Kylo, a guy who was trained by Luke and a Sith, yet he loses to someone who picked up a lightsaber for the first time? This is not inclusion, it's bad writing.

[@What_do_I_Think]

George Lucas talked about the dangers of selfish minded people which in the end turn evil, but he did not recognize that he was talking also about one of the persons sitting with him. That finally is his own tragedy.

[@ganymede3141]

Oh, he did. It's just that the woman sitting with him was too dense to realize that he was subtly talking about her.

[@ThePoliticalBulldog]

Have you ever heard of the Tragedy of Darth Lucas the Sellout?

[@What_do_I_Think]

@@ThePoliticalBulldog I give Lucas the advantage of the doubt here, but I agree that it is his tragedy. Darth? Not so much, a sith is one that is sith by his own will, not by mistake.

[@ThePoliticalBulldog]

@@What_do_I_Think Dooku was still a sith, even if it was through folly and not malice. Also, it was for dramatic effect of the reference, which clearly flew above your head.

[@AK-qh6lr]

​@@ThePoliticalBulldog He didn't sellout. He wanted to move on from Star Wars, do other projects, focus on his family Also, this might have been a genius business move. He sells Star Wars to Disney for millions of dollars and puts an idiot behind the steering wheel. Because there's an idiot behind the steering wheel, Star Wars stock crashes and becomes practically worthless. The Lucas comes in and buys back Star Wars for pennies.

[@cmackowick]

The insanity of the Star Wars Patriarchy statements just confirms the ladies of Disney Star Wars are utterly ignorant of past Star Wars.

[@schustererik83]

No, they are just utterly ignorant, period. . . .

[@paulbarclay4114]

@@schustererik83 they arent ignorant they are poison they destroy everything they touch

[@drumeshopeth]

Whatever they are, they're not ladies.

[@JenniferShadell]

​@@schustererik83they're not ignorant. Star wars has a huge female fan base. The problem is is that Star wars hasn't aged well because they're so focused on all characters and haven't done a good job incorporating a new storyline. That's the issue. It's not women, black men, white men, or any other color a person. The story lines have just been sucking no matter who's playing them. The mandalorian was okay. But then they got greedy and wouldn't just in the series.

[@schustererik83]

@user-tr7gv2dl8r they are ignorant for even attempting to do that. . . . .they took a male dominated franchise that already had great representation and fucked it into oblivion, and since, as stated by Kathleen Kennedy herself, over half of those morons were women, the other half were cucks chasing the sent, praying for scraps. That means that it probably is mostly women just screwing another thing up and blaming us for not liking it. They never tried to write a good story, that's the point. . . .

[@angeusn5240]

Star Wars has become horrible character arcs, horrible writing, and NO character progression. Disney is saying ACCEPT this or else "you are racist etc." They killed Star Wars. (FYI I am part of the female fan base pre-Disney.)

[@TVmantitan779]

What's even crazier is the entire missing era of Star wars aka the Old Republic Era. Which has strong females and interesting lore! LIKE BRO DISNEY IS JUST IGNORING THE OLD REPUBLIC ERA LIKE A FORGOTTEN CHILD!

[@jimthar17]

*Arcs.

[@RogueWraith909]

@@TVmantitan779 They even missed the post endor period where Isard takes control of the Empire and we learn about Mara Jades existence who are both strong female characters from the books. The ONLY good Starwars movie from the Disney era... Rogue One... that one was really well handled. Solo was... weird but okay I guess. Even the Lady Winter isn't mention in ANY of Disney's stuff (Leia's right hand woman and a great Rebel asset in her own right who gets multiple mentions in Rogue Squadron books).

[@MiraSubieGirl]

I was like 10 when I knew Chewie was my fave character. And Lando who my dad always laughed when I said that, now I know why 😍

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

If you look at this with a pure logical perspective, to weaponize victimization is a efficient tool, you are basically gaslighting the audience into accepting your product, if you don't, it means you are all the "phobes" and "isms". I think it's fascinating how this trend was able to stay relevant for so long, considering the fanaticism involved, I understand social media is sadly here to stay, so you take advantage of it, milk it for money... but the results are just so ugly, people who never read a social study in their lives, discussing "politics" on Twitter, lol it's ridiculous. When any sane individual from the "outside", looking at the social media bubbles waging war with their keyboards, they really believe there's a "message" and so on, it's genuinely sad. Luckily social media is niched, there's 300 million active accounts on Twitter monthly, that is a insignificant number who doesn't reflect reality at all. I think the best solution is to just ignore these depressive bubbles, they have to seek psychological help, the trend ran it's course, it's time to be apprehensive with real problems in the real world... artificial intelligence will be the next trend, this can be really scary

[@marcoc2706]

2:38 Why "corporate feminism"? Just call it "feminism".

[@robertneal4244]

If you intentionally target a smaller audience, don't complain when your audience and the money they spend, is less than before.

[@Bgrosz1]

They assumed that men would continue to watch as long as there were light sabers and star ships.

[@Bizagro]

They’re making it for themselves and not the audience…that’s the issue. I’m in the adult beverage industry. But I can’t drink alcohol - allergies. Even then, I’m not the customer. We don’t make it for ourselves.

[@graxxor]

Nailed it! Writing it for themselves. It’s literally overpriced fanfiction.

[@tihonannenkov4114]

The real question is what audience it is they are making it for. From what I have seen, LGBT folks also dislike forced tokenism in media. Good characters can be of any sexuality or gender and people will love them, but never if sexuality or gender is their defining trait.

[@gravemind6536]

They can target the feminists and SJWs if they want but they won't watch Star Wars even when its catered to them. They don't want Star Wars they just don't want us to have it either.

[@gipsyundead]

We're not sexist, we love Leia, Padme/Queen Amidala and Jen Urso. We're not racist, we love Lando Calrissian, Mace Windu, Cassian Andor and Saw Gerrera. We hate movies that are more focused on being woke than having a great story and that are appealing more to the minority instead of the majority of Star Wars fans. You know the fans who've stood by the franchise for decades and have grown up with some of the some of the best female heroes in film history. Give us something that we can ALL enjoy, not just that little minority you're trying to appeal to, most likely that's never watch a Star Wars movie in their life.

[@ChoZen369]

Padme was my intro to Natalie Portman...I been in love with her ever since...❤😅

[@Oi-mj6dv]

Based

[@GyvonJante]

You say that but then the fandom was enraged over John boyega’s introduction. A lot of sw fans don’t want non white males to wield light sabers in the forefront.

[@FilipeLeviSilva]

​@@GyvonJante That's simply untrue. At least I came across no such thing... I'm pretty sure people were angry after his character was wasted

[@lightforgeddemon4476]

​@GyvonJante let s get one thing straight, ppl were not mad that a black actor wielded a lightsaber it was that a stormtrooper with little to no prior history in the movie picked up one of the best known lightsabers(anakin's) and did some moves with it. The whole context was missed on most sw fans because Disney went on a different direction than what was built by lucas. Even the actor said in interviews that he was promised a bigger and more impactful role than he got. Sure there are some racist ppl liking sw, but they are just a small fraction of the audience.

[@nonamedoe9264]

When I was a kid, my sister complained to our Mom to let her play in my friend’s and I treehouse. So I did. My sister didn’t like us jumping around or things we did in that treehouse, so kept introducing rules to follow. One by one, my friends and I stopped returning to the treehouse, until it was just my sister. With no one to play with, my sister eventual left. In the end, they was just an empty treehouse. I think there’s a lesson in there, somewhere….

[@thomaslawrence9324]

This was a PERFECT example! It had a younger sister growing as well and this is exactly what happens over and over.

[@bplayerr1]

💯

[@HYLND]

Perfect analogy 👏🏻

[@hoooptie]

Sounds like it really happened lol

[@samst-louis9389]

W: We want in, we want in!!! M: Ok, you can come in W: Ok now you need to change everything And it's like that since dawn of humanity

[@PFlow007]

The acolyte actress is awful and brainwashed...

[@tutuadefolalu3661]

The sad thing is they have no idea what makes a character (male or female) strong and impactful. Cersei Lannister in GOT (until season 6) was one of the most powerful and intimidating characters in modern television, and she never fought anyone. She walked around in pretty dresses, drank wine, had conversations, read letters, and gave orders. That’s it. Yet she’s infinitely better than Rey Palpatine and the entire female cast of The Acolyte.

[@bloodwing9597]

Understatement

[@Wulfyr]

Nailed it mate. Exactly.

[@ChoZen369]

Based...it's that simple. Makes u wonder wats makes ppl think this way when we know that's not how the world or reality works. 😅

[@WealthandReligion]

GRRM wasnt part of a sex trafficking hollywood underground either so he used his talent naturally. No need for a lucasfilm job as he needed no such hush money.

[@dylanbaker7090]

@@ChoZen369 Its because the Elites that own Disney and everything else are pushing their beliefs through everything. Ancient Babylonian Talmudism AKA Modern day Satanism. "Do as why wilt", "as is above so is below" Its essentially the opposite of what we've always known.. Bad becoming Good, Men becoming Woman, Adults becoming Children... INVERSION. They hide all of this behind "love is love" and "equality" and "climate change". Research the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwabs, Yuval Noah Hararri. Blackrock and Vanguard, the history behind all these entities and the people that control them. I mean the director of the Acolyte was besties with Weinstein.. who was most definitely apart of this "group". They secretly and openly practice these occultist rituals through Music, Movies, Games and Symbols and Logos all around the world. We know how reality works, they know how it works EVEN better than us normies.. and they are actively and successfully changing it for the worst.. Think about it. Satan, Baphomet... cannot create but merely manipulate Gods creations.. This is why everything is becoming twisted until Agenda 2030. 2037 Will be HECTIC.

[@HellenaHanbasquet]

Princess Leia was a strong female role in a "man dominated" world. She didn't need to be surrounded by women to be strong. The disrespect to Space Mom makes me think even Carrie Fisher is rolling in her grave right now.

[@simonemeneghetti598]

Same for Padme

[@MUSTANG_P51]

@@simonemeneghetti598 And Ahsoka

[@simonemeneghetti598]

@@MUSTANG_P51 Yes and also Mon Mothma even tho she has less screen time she's still the political leader of the rebellion and the New Republic

[@HellenaHanbasquet]

@@simonemeneghetti598 for sure. There ate plenty of strong female roles in all of the films. Leia was just the OG, I was 2 when the first StarWars came out. She's been a character I've loved for 46 of my 48 years on this planet ❤️ 😊

[@simonemeneghetti598]

@@HellenaHanbasquet Damn such a wonderful journey must have been ❤

[@thekingjavy]

As Tolkien said: evil can't create anythkng, it just can corrupt what others create

[@dendanskehelt4296]

Tolkien knew the jews.

[@tristanducasse6862]

Didn't Sauron create his one ring though.

[@jrk41599]

@@tristanducasse6862 as an imitation of the 3 elven rings with the intention of corrupting them.

[@andrijanastic1480]

​@@jrk41599you are wrong about this one He created 3 elven rings too But he created the rings to trick them too He corrupted humans probably because they were greedy and easy to corrupt They only wanted power Elves were wise (Sorry for bad english)

[@andrijanastic1480]

I wanted to say that ring wasnt imitation of elven rings but yeah he wanted to corrupt them

[@bitpokit]

I’m working right now and listening to this in the background. When you quoted Leslie Headland’s “reason” for hiring that person with the unfortunate last name, I literally gagged. Not exaggerating. Not joking. I physically gagged and had to hold back vomit. That’s how disgusted I was. RIP Star Wars. I hope Elon Musk buys it and cleans house at Disney.

[@SteelWheelz]

So…… Princess Leia wasn’t good enough? How many girls of Gen X age dressed up as her for Halloween or birthday parties FOR DECADES?!

[@darthbiscuit]

+Mon Mothma, Queen Amidala Politically women were the most powerful and virtuous in SW but modern women are supposed to be the most powerful warriors too so those women don't matter

[@OdinMagnus]

Where is that Austin Powers meme? "He's a man, baby!" Lol. Only explanation. All those men, playing feminine looking dudes. Like Padme, Leia, and all the rest lol

[@sarahrobertson4629]

Lots. But I could never relate to her (or Wyldstyle in The Lego Movie) and preferred Yoda. (In The Lego Movie it was Unikitty that I related to, but it's not that common that you get that kind of character in genre media.) Women aren't all one or two personality types, so it's disappointing that most female characters are either tough chicks or mumsy/looking for love.

[@sneezyfido]

But those costumes were revealing, which puts women in a subservient and objectified position - according to women who purposely dressed provocatively as a means to fight free from oppressive clothing standards. There is no logic, only whatever she feels in the moment

[@Senkoau]

Plus if they hadn't dumped legends as soon as they got ahold of it they'd have had Mara Jade an extremely skilled force user who killed a dark side clone of Luke Skywalker to break free of the Emperors control.

[@LarsJ1977]

The most impressive thing about Disney Star Wars, is how easy it was for them to turn my LOVE of Star Wars into complete and utter APATHY. I don't even hate it. I just don't give a single fuck anymore.

[@starwarshockeyfanfl7310]

Right there with ya. I don't even care anymore. Still need to change my name here, ha!

[@Hiraghm]

Lucas did that to me. I developed apathy for the franchise when the gawdawful prequels came out. Then the sequels had to say, "here, hold my beer".

[@jpjfrey5673]

Apathy *Is death*

[@Augustborne]

Yup. The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s apathy.

[@draykohunter6805]

I hate how that apathy transferred over to characters I used to love like Ahsoka. Every subsequent live action appearance she had made her exponentially more bland and boring to watch.

[@1977Yakko]

Destroying? No, destroyed. It's dead. Star Wars needs to be stuck in carbonite for about a decade or so and see if some sanity has returned to Hollywood at that time and then try again.

[@richtes]

Not to quibble, but doesn’t it have to be alive for the carbonite to work? If something’s dead can’t you just stick it in a jar of formaldehyde?

[@juniorxranger]

you're right. the crappy thing is, you know they'll reboot it with: Star Wars

[@leonnunhofer3453]

Yes, I agree, but it needs a whole generation. 10 years aren't enough, I think, it needs 20 years, but in the meantime, they should try to remaster episode 1 - 6 again, and hope, kids at this time watch and like it and stick around until Star Wars comes back. They should hope, people forget at least most of the things, Disney produced. Otherwise, the franchise is dead 🤷‍♂️

[@kedrprao]

I was going to comment the same. "Destorying" word was apt when Last Jedi released. After Acolyte, Star Wars is DESTROYED. Its history.

[@starscream6629]

More than a decade have the AI resurrect it in two generations

[@almitrahopkins1873]

Lucas was a masterful storyteller. He didn’t tell you anything about Princess Leia. He told you she was a princess and that was it. You let that blind you to the character if you can’t see that she was the most competent hero in Star Wars. Take her “walking carpet” remark about Chewbacca. Most people would take that as being dismissive and belittling, but I was military and got called far worse by chiefs and sergeants. What most people didn’t see was that she was taking point and putting the squad support weapon behind her. Unless you know what you just saw, you missed the impact of that scene. Leslie Hedlund (?) is wrong. R2D2 isn’t a lesbian. It’s a droid. It is a he to a male viewer or a she to a female viewer, but that doesn’t change what it is. But what R2D2 is though, is the capable warrior that taught Leia how to fight. Pay attention to it during the films. R2D2 is always using misdirection and deception when it fights, just like Leia. It makes you dismiss it as helpless and harmless. R2D2 is the Obi-wan to Leia. C-3PO is the helpless princess that the feminists today think Leia is. They missed all of the hidden details that tell you Leia is far from helpless. Leia is the combat monster of the film, the battle-hardened sergeant that keeps Han & Luke alive. There is a bonus point if you caught the interview with Carrie Fisher talking about the lack of a bra to Princess Leia’s costume in Star Wars in ‘77. George made up some bullshit about gravity in space, but bra-burning was a feminist statement only a few years earlier. He included that as part of the character’s identity by having Carrie not wear a bra. That was a context clue that pretty much no one catches that tells you there was feminism woven into the story. The reason the current Star Wars writers fail is because they don’t know the material they are building on. I could rewrite the sequel trilogy and turn it into a blockbuster that would break records, but that’s because I am a fan, not because I am a wonderful writer. They missed the opportunity to hang a lightsaber on Leia & Han’s belts too. The missed the opportunity to let Han tell Finn and Rey about the force, like Obi-wan did for Luke. They missed the opportunity to have the “Mary Poppins” scene be the point where Leia passes her lightsaber to Finn before dying. They missed the chance to have Finn, Po and Rey learn from the soldier, pilot and sorcerer of the original trilogy as a passing of the torch. They lost the opportunity to make sequels that follow the students of the three main characters. They let their reputation as the hot new writers and directors destroy a beloved franchise instead of building on it. Yoda delivers two lines of note in the original trilogy. You can spot them because they aren’t in his usual pattern of speech. When speaking to Obi-wan as Luke leaves for Bespin, he says “no, there is another” instead of “no, another there is.” And the other line is “teach what you have learned” instead of “what you have learned, teach.” Only a fan would even notice that. It was the directions for crafting new stories as well as simple dialogue between characters. That’s just my two cent’s worth. I have been wrong before, so I can’t discount that possibility now. If the Acolyte would have been written well, they would be crying about the racism that all of those diverse characters were the bad guys. That’s the only way it could have fit into Star Wars. Disney was right to abandon it. It was poor writing executed badly.

[@christined8634]

They are also alienating women who already were Star Wars fans. Myself included. I have loved Star Wars since I was a little girl. I have watched the movies, played the video games, and read the books. I have purposefully not watched The Acolyte because I know it will make me both sad and angry that they are trying to destroy something that has meant so much to me.

[@DragonGoddess18]

Same here The Acolyte ain't worth watching

[@rinowx5]

Same I can’t understand this toxic presentation of feminism, especially when it’s being pandered to us by the excessively wealthy owners of corporations and media trained celebs who rarely share original thoughts. they’re intentionally irritating the original fans and wrecking the fun of Star Wars. Completely lost the plot.

[@etch-e-sketch4051]

This is what kills me. These people are supposedly champions for 'women's agency' while at the same time dictating what is, and isn't, for women. I guess people like you either don't exist or have internalized misogyny or something.

[@swizzamane8775]

NOOOOOOO! Seeing this comment and its threads comments hurts more... You ladies shouldnt be alienated for this, its heart-wrenching 😭

[@CrystalAger]

I totally agree with you they are destroying a much loved legacy

[@DetectiveMelon]

Ah yes, sci fi is a dangerous place for people of color, especially Star Wars. One of the most popular prequel characters, Mace Windu, is literally played by Samuel L. Jackson a black man. Not to mention he got to pick his lightsaber color and George Lucas went about finding a way to fit it into the lore. Unreal.

[@87pionia]

But haven’t you heard? HE IS MAAAAAN!!!! So not good enough. Do better, people.

[@mikeguilmette776]

Talk about a waste of talent. Samuel L. Jackson was so restrained in the role of Mace Windu, the only time he was really able to show how good of an actor he is was when he executed Jango Fett.

[@alejandropacheco7832]

Don't forget the coolest character in the galaxy Lando (OG) who almost stole the princess from Han Solo himself... 😂😂😂

[@87pionia]

@@mikeguilmette776I don’t know Mace Windu still holds a special place in my heart as a character. He could “manage” both sides of the force, which if you think about it it was kinda badass. I’m using “manage” loosely, I know it was more channeling the opponent dark force but technically he’d still be using the dark force.

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@87pionia I'm just saying so much more could have been done with the role, especially with Samuel L. Jackson playing him.

[@danstrikes]

I'm so sick of those feminists claiming women action heroines are a recent thing. Old movies had plenty of women action heroines, one that comes to mind is the Annie Oakley series. She was portrayed as smart, she could shoot, and ride a horse. In my opinion the reason they don't like or acknowledge women heroine in the old screen is because they don't fit the mould of modernity. They were feminine.

[@mrwiffler9942]

Annie Oakley was a genuine badass.

[@TheHalicarnassis]

Ripley

[@CyberDustCapsuled]

Sarah Connor 👍

[@Cryogenius333]

@@CyberDustCapsuled Hell guys, Captain Hillers(Will Smith) wife Jasmine was a better, stronger character than any of the ones we have today, and she was a stripper. See- "Independence Day", 1996

[@shaunhibgame1090]

Xena Warrior Princess

[@SeSim]

The worst thing that Disney did to Star Wars was canceling the whole Expanded Universe storyline. For decades, books, comics, and video games created so many new characters, extended and developed existing ones, and added so many stories that were waiting to be brought to the silver screen or made into TV series. There were also strong female characters! For example: 1. Mara Jade - the Emperor's Hand and future wife of Luke Skywalker. She is the only character in Star Wars who called Luke a "farmboy" even when he was a Grand Jedi Master :) She is a very well-written and strong character. 2. Admiral Daala - the head of the secret Maw Installation, which played a major role in the later stories of the galaxy. 3. Jaina Solo - the daughter of Leia and Han. Another very strong and complex character who actually defeated her brother Jacen when he became a Sith Lord ruling the galaxy. 4. Abeloth - a super evil and powerful character that was feared even by the Sith Lords. 5. The Witches of Dathomir. 6. The Hapan Empire, ruled by women, led by the strong Tenel Ka. And many, many others. Disney had all of this on the plate and didn't use it. Okay, none of them were LGBT characters. But, for example, making Admiral Daala a lesbian would have been quite easy in storytelling if needed in the new corporate order.

[@Verebazs]

The EU was trash, equally awful to Disney Wars, in fact most of the worst stuff in Disney Wars was lifted straight from the EU. As for it's women: 1: Mara Jade was the OG Mary Sue of Star Wars. She was introduced as holding the semi-official title of Palpatine's Hand...eventhough that was Darth Vader's role in the movies. She worked as an assasin for years, commiting horrible crimes, not unlike Darth Vader, but unlike Darth Vader she was allowed to redeem herself without making any self-sacrifise on her part, and in fact Zahn even tried to argue that she was never really on the Dark side, because she was serving someone else. Everybody from Luke, to Lando to Wedge fell in love with her, even in her 40ies she was so hot, her teenage nephew had a crush on her, whom she constantly flirted with, despite being married to his uncle. She was a garbage character. 2: Admiral Daala?! Seriously? This is where we've gotten? People are nostalgic for freaking Daala? Daala used to be the butt of every joke, even within the same EU fandom, that loved Mara Sue. People used to say she had either slept her way to the top (she was Tarkin's lover, so yeah, turning her into a lesbian would've been yet another moment of diversity over storytelling and faithfully adapting the source) or she had suffered brain damage, in the accident that saw her reassigned to the Maw Installation, because she was that laughably incompetent. Her becoming the leader of the Galactic Alliance in Invincible was widely reviled and mocked, and for good reason, because she had commited horrific crimes, and she hasn't been used in any EU project for years by that point, so it came from literally nowhere. 3: Jaina: Oh boy. She is the main reason Mara Jade is not seen as the Mary Sue she is, because Jaina was even worse. She was arguably the blueprint for Rey. Add in the fact, that she jerked around two guys for over a decade, refusing to choose between them even in her late-20ies, just like she did, when she was a teenager, and they just kept simping for her the entire time. 4: Abeloth: Her backstory is not only a direct contradiction of both the Mortis-arc of TCW and how the Force works accoring to Lucas, it doesn't make sense even with itself, and her novel series was the absolute bottom of the barrel even by EU standards, and the way she's ultimately defeated is utter nonsense. Not to mention, does Abeloth even count as a female, seeing that she is a demon made of smoke, who can create satellites of herself out of any organism, including males? 5: The Witches of Dathomir: oh yeah a backwards clan of misandrists, who kept men as breeding stock, and black widowed/praying mantised them, once they did their duty...How very empowering, without being anything like Disney Wars... 6: Oh yeah, Tenel Ka. The dI_Imb@$$, who fell in love with JINO (Jacen-in-name-only), and gave-up their child for stupid reasons.

[@daveo2992]

"no more gold bikinis" the show acolyte has shirtless muscle men is that not a double standard?

[@niklascarlsson2841]

It's not about logic it's about power

[@sonicsnake44]

Ya its funny how kylo & smilo can be shirt less but you can't show any part of a female character besides her face and they always have to ware baggy clothes.

[@Merchantic]

the only issue is the "Male gaze" according to them. "Rules are for thee, not for me"

[@wekurtz72]

DIsney standard. They rip Thor's clothes off for full male dudity, but MJ is dressed in a potato sack.

[@wekurtz72]

@@Merchantic You mean you don't see dressing MJ in a potato sack vs ripping off Thor's clothes as fair play?

[@daytrippera]

Before the prequels were released, I skipped school with my best friend to watch the remastered versions of the original trilogy at the movies. We both were 16 year old girls from Argentina. The most girly girls as girls can be, and still Star Wars fans all the way through. Later, we also skipped school to catch the pequels at the movies as well, obviously. That was Star Wars for me. That is the only Star Wars I will ever watch. Disney Star Wars is no Star Wars. Ps. How can someone be non binary and gay at the same time?🤨

[@whatwhat98]

It's best not to question the thought process of the alphabet activists. They reject logic, critical thinking skills, and chromosomes

[@SecretMagician]

On your last point, if you're non-binary and gay, does that mean that only date non-binary people? Then you're being a contradiction when you date people who are male or female and not non-binary.

[@BigFatCone]

Is Amandla also gay or are you confusing her and Hedley with the eyebrows? The way I understand, Amandla is a girl claiming to be binary and Hedley is a gay woman.

[@leonnunhofer3453]

There is no logic behind the woke ideology. You also somehow are trans if you are non binary. It just doesn't make sense 🤷‍♂️

[@Thor-Orion]

You can watch anything before the sale. The animated series are really good, the video games can be hit or Miss but a lot of excellent, EXCELLENT games like KOTOR, Battlefield, rogue squadron, Pod-Racer, even the Force Unleashed is fun if a bit messy for the cannon. There truly was an expansive extended universe to lose yourself in. It was great growing up in the 90’s-2000’s as a Star Wars fan. I’ve been a staunch prequel defender since well before the Disney movies started coming out. Yeah, the dialogue is clunky. Metacloriens are weird. But it’s nothing that egregious, truly, and they’re beautiful films visually with a lot of heart and the same magic that made the original trilogy so special. The Star Wars FEELING is totally missing from the Disney output, with Rogue One being one of the very few bright spots, season one of Mando was pretty good, and I even thought Solo was fun. They go anywhere near Jedi and they fuck it all up. Why? Because the only thing they see in the Jedi is their power, and since they’re the centerpiece of the original story of Anakin and Luke they’re the way fans get to learn about the universe. So the Jedi therefor get the most butchered by the writers’ intentional, explicit, braindead and hamfisted political messaging. Some nobody rebellion team without any special powers who all die at the end? “Well if they all die I guess we can have a strong man… he’ll definitely die though, right?!”

[@aprilring4967]

45 year old single mom of 3 here. Grew up loving star wars. Never thought of it as ever being patriarchal, and highly resent being called racist given one of the reasons I've always loved it was because of all of the different races, life forms, and male to female ratio was never an issue until Disney made it one. Out of touch writers, out of touch actors with zero talent who don't care about the original material. That's why your shows failing. Quit blaming the fans that's just stupid

[@strengthandfist1294]

The sad reality is there own ignorance.

[@Dancestar1981]

Amen

[@balamohammed5947]

"Sci-fi has never been a safe space for people of colour"😮😢 what sci-fi was she watching growing up? because the ones i watched were always diverse. especially all the 3 stars franchises (Star Wars, Star Trek and Stargate)

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

There's is literal footage of 'black nerds' from early conventions & whatnot- they have been in the 'safe space' from the beginning -- what, if it didn't happen in the last 5 mins. it doesn't count...?

[@Niko-J-438]

There brains are too little to understand these nerdy topics have always been a safe space, but not the echo camber they like 😊

[@robotx4242]

Ground zero for science fiction fandom has always been Star Trek. Shamelessly inclusive and progressive. The notion that "science" fiction fans by their nature are interchangeable with uneducated, knuckle dragging, regressive bigots is absurd.

[@_Just_John]

Everytime I hear someone saying they are creating "safe space" by ham-fisting diversity, it feels like the company thinks specific group of people are just weak snowflakes. It is kinda demeaning.

[@_MaryRose_]

I can't help but see this as paradoxical sexism, by labeling classical Star Wars "a boys thing". I was born female, still a female and there was absolutely no one stopping me from being interested in "boys things" when I grew up. These type of women are just seeing sexism where there was none based on their dumb and outdated gendersteretypeing. There is no law forbidding girls from liking stereotype boy stuff or vice versa, and it absolutely does not mean they are gay if they do.

[@xbujie_9453]

Hi Mary, most of them are just grifters, taking advantage of a trend to line their pockets with money; they do not really believe in anything, except lining their pockets with money.

[@capimages]

Exactly. Middle aged woman here. I exclusively watch Japanese anime, and read Japanese manga because I now hate the modern western “entertainment”. Japanese stuff is so much more creative. My favorite genre is shonen, which literally means for young boys, but it’s full of action, fantasy, comedy but not much romance- exactly what I like. There’s genres for young girls (shojo), middle aged men (seinen) and middle aged women (josei), but I like shonen. Now we’re starting to see western companies come after Japanese media, trying to pressure them into changing to meet western DEI standards, with companies like Netflix and Sweet Baby Inc trying to strongarm them into changing to supposed “modern western tastes” and ideals. 🙄 Blackstone just bought out a Japanese digital manga company. I fear for the downfall of Japanese manga and anime. 😢 (I’m from the US and used to live in Japan btw.)

[@_MaryRose_]

@@capimages I agree with you there! I enjoy a good and well written story without any cheesy romance just shoehorned into it. And do not get me started on the state of the gaming industry! I used to be able to create avatars that somewhat looked like me, but now my body type and scandinavian complexion is somehow problematic, unrealistic or to sexy. Funny to be a 30+ woman, enjoying games with good looking female characters and reading articles calling us virgin incels who has never seen a real naked woman before. haha ok then, I apparently do not know what a mirror is!

[@capimages]

@@_MaryRose_ 💯

[@mycatwilleatyou7569]

The Tomboy is not dead. I'm a married woman, still play in the mud, do "manly" sports, and like "manly" things. It never occurred to me as a child that I liked the "wrong" things. No adult ever said that either. I feel awful for little girls and boys trying to grow up in this nonsense

[@xr0ninx569]

I remember back when ppl got fired for messing up and losing money. When 90% of your products get constant hate and don’t get nearly as much money as they could, just from a business standpoint, it’s time for a change.

[@RusticRonnie]

They aren’t losing money, they make it from blackrock investments. Who of course gets their money by buying up all the single family homes to turn the people of the world into permanent renters. Which is why you know they actually just want control

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

...They didn't lose money. The worst you could say is that they haven't recouped the cost of the Star Wars IP yet. But they've profited $2.8 billion since buying the Star Wars IP from Lucasfilm for $4 billion. The thing is, the IP hasn't gone away -- it's still a multi billion dollar asset that is able to produce profitable entertainment.

[@Sparkofshurima]

@@AUniqueHandleName444 most of that money was made during a time when star wars was still liked and people had expectations. now the first reaction most people have to a new star wars show or movie is disappointment. the ip is probably worth less now then it was before they bought it. i doubt shows like the acolyte, ahsoka, obi wan and so on made a profit and they will make even less over time with every bad show they make since the reputation is just getting worse. even if they havent lost money overall, its still sad that they didnt even recoup what they spent on it after milking the ip this much. star wars should be way more profitable than it is right now and the people in charge should be fired.

[@durzoblint9764]

Agreed. There was a time when, as an employee one was a harm to the business and rude, apathetic and hostile to customers, one was invited to find a place, as someone once said, in the “unenjoymentment” line.

[@thekicker2517]

Literally the only star wars show that is liked till date was Andor.

[@bplayerr1]

My "baby boomer latino, Caribbean born and raised MOTHER" introduced me to Star Wars in the 90s. She didnt need any of this non sense to be a female fan..........

[@bplayerr1]

Furthermore, as a minority, the last thing I look for in a new starwars piece is "latino or minority" anything!!! 🤦‍♂️

[@Annonere]

As a woman and a Star Wars fan, I am disgusted by the agenda pushing everywhere I look. When the only thing a woman can say about her character is, "She's a powerful leader... she's a powerful leader!" That tells you how shallow it all really is. I watched one episode of the Acolyte and stopped halfway through episode two because of the awful writing, the boring story line, and the overall cringe at the agendas on display. I am all for having great female characters and leads, but they have to have substance. "Powerful leader!" is not substance. Don't even get me started on the blatant racism and sexism happening in Hollywood. I'm so sick of virtue signaling in my media. One person's virtue is not everyone's, so stop forcing it down my throat, please. I will be sticking to my old films and shows, where entertainment was the goal, and good stories were king.

[@muppet-fan]

You nailed it for me as well. I've been a female fan since the original films. Did these current women Showrunners even watch them? There was diversity (hello Billy D Williams for example) and women leaders (Leia) most of all there were GOOD storylines and good writing...and originality. These new abominations have none of that.

[@2nd_Directorate]

What annoys me the most is that traits are handled as personality. The "powerful leader" you refer to or the "independant strong woman" are these. They are represented and played out as a whole personality for a character. Completly ignoring that these are traits which are the result of several different aspects of a character but are neither shown nor explained. A "powerful leader" is not a trait you just have, it is the result of many factors that need to be shown. Hence the lack of substance you talked about. Ellen Ripley from (especially) Aliens is a great example for this. Competence, perseverance, confidence. Motherly instinct and the drive to protect and overcome fear to do so. All that is shown, all that makes her a leader in that situation. Not once she had to call herself that....

[@tsjeriAu]

I find it funny how they think that simply repeating "strong powerful leader" over and over again means they don't need to actually show it... Good storytelling ca say that a thing is true, but more importantly show that it is true. I'm reminded of "Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king."

[@alexfriedman2152]

And yet Women keep voting in the masses for liberal, lephtist policies.

[@Isaac-tf9qv]

I'm surprised anyone even bothered watching it as soon as I heard kk was in charge and that lesbian epstein lady was running it I was like yeah no thanks

[@AliBaba-vh9ni]

My creative writing teacher once told me the secret to writing characters well is simple: 1-Define their personality and psychology. 2-Define their role in the narrative. 3-Based on their role and personality, define their character arc and how it relates to the work's overall theme. 4-Once all the above is done, you can decide their gender and preferences. This is the best way to write good, well-rounded characters regardless of their gender, skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Modern writers in Hollywood have forgotten the basics of good storytelling and character writing in general. Wouldn't have a problem with them making female-centric stories and inserting diversity into this franchise, if they had the basics of good narrative and character writing down. However since they clearly don't know what they're doing, I've pretty much washed my hands of Star Wars and Disney at this point.

[@Square31]

And that's the issue. They don't. Look at Ripley from Aliens! She was well thought out, was strong, kind, and most importantly, STUMBLED. She had to grow, she had to learn. She felt real.

[@damonbrown699]

I agree .

[@EskChan19]

They don't care about writing good stories, they care about their propaganda. They don't WANT Star Wars to be good, they want it to be a vehicle to teach white, straight, sweaty nerds in their mothers basements about how much better women are than them, just for being born the right gender. That is what those "writers" genuinely believe. Also just because I feel like someone will misunderstand: I'm not saying that Star Wars fans are sweaty nerds living in their moms basements, I'm saying that the people at Lucas Film think so.

[@pandabutt12]

I remember give your characters a reason. Give the antagonist a reason to be involved with the protagonist.

[@steveouk90126]

Carrie Fisher complained to Lucas during the first two films that Leia only wore shapeless and frumpy clothing, and she (who had quite the bod back then) wanted to flaunt her attractiveness. Slave Leia was Lucasfilm acquiescing to her and appreciating the female form in Star Wars... so of course the pink-haired, 300# wamaloos of the time (and since) objected to it in the name of all women.

[@mudbutton2]

Glad I grew up in the Golden Age of Star Wars in the 70's and 80's.

[@bbtank3000]

And I in the late Golden Age--the 1990s, where I got to experience the perfection of the original trilogy on VHS, and then see all the premieres of the prequel trilogy films.

[@IllisiaAdams]

How was that the golden age?

[@tsipher]

there was some golden moments with Republic Commando and Knights of the Old Republic, but everything else seems to be a drop off.

[@wekurtz72]

@@IllisiaAdams Because that's the only time ever that Star Wars was any good?

[@mikeguilmette776]

@@IllisiaAdams Not only was it pre-Disney sellout, it was pre-Jar Jar and pre-Greedo shot first. Not to mention we got see Star Wars literally change the culture.

[@martinshelton9533]

The Disappointing thing is that Ahsoka Tano did start off not liked in the The Clone wars and rebels animated shows. They developed her character into one of the most popular characters then they ruined her in the live show! 🥺

[@robinfox4440]

>"non-binary" >"gay" Why do I get the urge to tell them to pick one? But of course, "Non-binary" actually just means "woman who wants attention."

[@crapsound]

Non Binary is for computer language, programming stuff right?

[@acedelta12]

They call themselves non-binary because they don't conform to the patriarchial idea of there being only two genders

[@CountryAndProud]

​@@crapsoundmaybe that's their way of telling us they're actually alien androids.... 😮😮

[@crapsound]

@@CountryAndProud this makes sense when they can't comprehend there only being 2 genders.

[@stevew8513]

"Non-Binary" really means "I'm a low intelligence trend-chaser that doesn't have a personality so I try to fake one that I learned about on social media but don't know anything about".

[@TheWerewolfOfNorway-mf5jz]

When I saw The Empire Strikes Back as a teenager in the early 80s, I didn't once think anything about Lando Carlrissian being black, never crossed my mind for a second.

[@GreatFox42]

They consider that a bad thing now.

[@rimimukherjee4]

Lando Carlrissian was amazing

[@TheWerewolfOfNorway-mf5jz]

@@rimimukherjee4 that he was 👍

[@StavrosMueller93]

@@rimimukherjee4 He was cool as ice! And the first Lando trilogy of novels (from the early 80s) is really cool, if that's your cup of tea (and you haven't read it already ^^)

[@crocadillius6418]

Same. Billy Dee Williams was so charismatic and charming he felt like he was always right next to the main crew

[@MyWORDisntGospel]

My favorite part of the Acolyte is the part where I did not watch it. The only scenes I’ve seen are all reactions to it. It’s highly entertaining that way.

[@damonbrown699]

That show was soooooooooooooooooooo bad.

[@texasfuneral4787]

Im more excited watching the critical drinker

[@MyWORDisntGospel]

@@texasfuneral4787 bro, that’s literally the only way I have watched the series. Critical Drinkers reviews 😆 Ok. I have to go now. Bye.

[@kerravon4159]

The notion of entertainment doesn't even enter into their minds. These people are preachers and Star Wars is their podium. That's literally _ALL_ they care about.

[@LuckyDogProductions]

In the late 1980's Jr. high / high school girls were relentless at making fun of 13+ yr old boys for loving SW and not Sports...... Those girls now RUN SW..... and still make fun of Men who love SW, by making THE THING THEY LOVE.... stupid.

[@thesaltysergeant4103]

She totally lied to Lucas in that interview.

[@galilelollel9658]

I wont even judge her as im a liar to irl but yeah that wasnt really that cool i mean youre literally talking to the one who made everything and then betray him and backstab him without letting him know to much first so thats even more dirty. I would just be like ya know what? Im outta here this is to much trash im leaving this game.

[@LittlePhizDorrit]

As a female fan since the 80s, I do NOT like what they have done to Star Wars. A space adventure film for all ages has become a bunch of bland stories that exist solely to "showcase diversity" or engage in what should have been a long abandoned advertising tactic of "fanbaiting". Disney owns Lucasfilm and they can do what they want. Changing brand focus is fine, but expecting to retain customers that way is dicey. Had Disney been smart and made classic stories with some side stories that were girl focused romance an occasional show focusing on diversity and a nod to the alphabet community, they would have been fine. But, they declared that EVERY show had to be diverse, female, and gay. Ironically, in attempting to grab EVERY identity group they could think of, they alienated them all. Generally, I hate corporate feminism. Since it's full scale implementation into media I have decided that I'm no longer a feminist.

[@freethinker8230]

Star wars used to be made for Nerds, which possibly includes Woman, Latino, Asian or Black but the core audience used to be White men. Now its made for "Modern Audience" by "Feminist" which actively tries to humiliate its traditional core audience. This has given feminist a bad name.

[@ekkietepsupornchai8701]

Ahsoka as a character in the original animated series (The Clone Wars and Rebels) was actually done well. She was not a Mary Sue. She had a good character arc that was not driven by feminism and while she was an annoying character at first (intentionally immature), she became much appreciated by many.

[@ShadyDoorags]

I got livid at 3:38. I'm not a big Star Wars fan specifically, but she said "the world of scifi and fantasy in general." Can you imagine enjoying something, a thing that brought you joy and comfort for a good portion of your life, to then have a tourist come in and tell you that it was never a "safe space" for you? The immediate thought that came into my head was "How dare you." Unlike this girl, I grew up in a time and environment where being a nerd meant the world of scifi and fantasy was sometimes the ONLY space you could feel comfortable in. I'd wager the reason it never felt like a "safe space" for her is because it wasn't a space, period, for her. (As if this girl is saying her own original thoughts and not just spouting talking points others told her to say)

[@silentjustin]

Hey Shady nice to see my favorite intellectual in the comments. For me Star Wars, Star Trek and Lord of the Rings were my escape growing up as a kid and how me and my mom bonded because she's also a massive nerd. For me this stuff was my only safe space and to see all of my favorite franchises go through this corporate bull crap just hurts.

[@robotx4242]

Aww c'mon. Everyone knows Star Trek conventions were pretty much Klan rallies for nerds. (sarcasm off)

[@sheilaarkurshicin]

You said it, man. It sucks majorly to be a woman Sci-fi and Fantasy fan nowadays. Beforehand I could just talk for hours with a bunch of other nerds in our little corners, and it felt comfortable! I felt safe and welcomed, and no one cared I was a girl except for one or two dumb comments from some teenage boys. The only time anyone judged each other was when someone brought up a really badly thought out conspiracy or saying they liked a character everyone hated. Like Jar Jar Binks in SWs. Nowadays people are instantly wary when I tell them I'm a SWs fan that also happens to be a woman. They expect me to be vapid, narcissistic, and super political. But I just want to watch cool space-sword duels and badass dudes in armor blowing shit up.

[@Senkoau]

These people remind me of the popular girls in high school who if you weren't part of the crowd they defined as "cool" might maybe allow you to hang around the edges of their friend group. As long as you did what you were told to, didn't ask for anything and were useful to them. Soon as you breached any of those terms you were dumped on the side of the road till you'd learnt your lesson and/or were useful to her. Then you were expected to be grateful and forget walking the twenty kilometres home in the rain.

[@PottyPirateXXIII_IX]

Yeah and she laughs while she says it. Very genuine 🙄

[@Mangolorian-je3eo]

A few years ago our overlords suddenly said "society is all racist and sexist again!". Everyone acted like it was true and started finding witches to burn under every stone. Before that, we all had a chance to be happy and get along.

[@superandroid1675]

Except the witch hunts were actually led by witches.

[@candiceerorita9505]

Facts.

[@TheGreySage0]

​@@superandroid1675What makes it different 😉

[@zadarthule]

A lot of people are racist and sexist. A lot of people are also assholes. When people have grown up it's almost impossible to change them.

[@staarfinger7322]

​@@superandroid1675there's no difference between the two

[@riotd.r.8363]

The Empire Strikes Back (the movie most people consider the best in the set) had Leia leading the Rebellion and Han ended up being the damsel in distress.

[@Bgrosz1]

Yes, but Leia wasn't perfect in every way and the men weren't incompetent idiots who only served as comical distractions while Leia and her band of women warriors took down the Empire without breaking a sweat.

[@kaygee2121]

And it was originally written by a woman

[@wisehippo3072]

​​​@@kaygee2121Very little of Leigh Brackett's first draft was used in the movie, but she did come up with the idea of a "cloud city", although, Flash Gordon used the same idea decades prior, so she might have just copied it from there.

[@Goshak5]

Thats so sad, imagined getting bullied your whole life for liking starwars and geeky stuff and now that your an adult your getting shamed for liking it and it not being inclusive to the rest who used to bully your for it. Thats gotta be messed up

[@flynnoldman3542]

You can tell that when George was talking to the two women in the interview, they had no idea what he was talking about.

[@SamC_182]

Yup, completely clueless. And ironically KK is literally becoming exactly what George described

[@M00nlord]

Why are these people so obsessed with the concept of "safety". What does it mean? Like how are you unsafe at this very moment. Amandla comes from a rich family and is a hollywood actor. She is highly privileged and better off than 99.9% of us. In what reality does being in this position make someone feel unsafe? way does she feel unsafe? unsafe to do what? to be what?

[@ardentglazier2867]

X (for some X) is 'unsafe' because somewhere somewhen some activist told them it was 'unsafe' for some-unrelated-person (precisely how is never revealed; it's all about feels) that said activist was speaking for. It's like asking mexican-americans and spanish speakers what they think of 'latinx': none of them use the word and they all think it's stupid. The whole 'safety' schtick is just for activists and Karen-types to virtue signal about to show how Do Goodly they are.

[@gregorysteimel5165]

It's the internal struggle with one's sinful nature. Those without a Christian worldview, (the understanding that all are sinful), believe that there's nothing wrong with themselves and think that any criticism of their own actions is an attack.

[@senormarston]

is the eager need to make herself the victim. weak people

[@AxelordSMIJES]

It's precisely because she grew up with ridiculous privilege and wealth that she has such a skewed sense of "safety." She is 100% out of touch w reality.

[@thegrimharvest]

Because victimhood is held now to be the highest virtue. The more points you claim on the punch card, the more moral you become. The more moral, the more you should be given control and influence. Victimhood as a pathway to privilege and entitlement, masked as virtue. Those who have actual power, control, influence and wealth must pretend and present themselves as if they had nothing. Otherwise the roving hordes of moral cannibals will descend on them and they will be eaten next. This is obviously not a desirable outcome, so they join the movement and try to guide the horde so that they eat someone else. As long as there's someone else to eat, they think they are safe. It's self preservation. They are the characters in the movie who will shoot the other survivors and leave them to the zombies in order to get more for themselves Then when confronted, claim they had no choice.

[@itamiyouji4057]

Just today I finished reading the trilogy written by Timothy Zahn, the one that USED to have Lucas's unofficial stamp of approval as the sequel trilogy. That trilogy could've been AWESOME! Want a strong, badass female character? Timothy Zahn gave us Mara Jade, and Disney has entirely ignored her character. What a disgrace.

[@mercsmouth]

Let's not forget Leias arc, Winter, the matriarchal leader of the Nogri. Each of these characters in Zahns book have better writing, are more impacted to their story and galaxy at large, then every female character that KK did

[@somberhaze4538]

It's far from surprising that the characters propped up as heroes by modern disney are just as unlikable as disney itself.

[@andyknb]

My mom was the one who got me into Star Wars, she always loved Star Wars ever since she saw the very first movie in theaters. She did NOT like the sequels, it's just not the Star Wars she fell in love with anymore. By making it more "female-centric" in their own way, they're turning the franchise into something that feels completely different and alienates even female fans.

[@llamasugar5478]

I was 11 when _Star Wars_ came out. I read the books several times, and later introduced my son and daughter to them. One of the few things we all agree on is the superiority of the originals to the later movies. They loved young Anakin in Episode 1, but didn’t really engage with 2 and 3.* *I care so little for anything after the original trilogy that I can’t remember the titles of the others.

[@thegreatcanadianlumberjack5307]

​@@llamasugar5478 My Step dad is a huge Star wars fan. At first he defended the Sequels and even went as far as to say Solo was Good. The one thing we both Agree on is Rouge one was the only good thing to come out it. I don't know if his opinion changed on the Sequels and Solo.

[@snoopyvonsnoops6305]

I loved the original Star Wars back in 1977, and honestly wished George Lucas had stopped there and moved on to other genres. Ultimately he's responsible for this catastrophe, selling out every step of the way.

[@RojinDrawsStuff]

My dad's mother took him to the theaters when the movie first came out.

[@ThePathOfFire]

as an lgbt woman, i find 90% of new star wars to be insulting and ridiculous

[@dunkyking6310]

My condolences to your horrid condition

[@dipflop5530]

​@@dunkyking6310 bigot

[@florin604]

All this negative energy put into everything against the rest of the society who is not gay/trans/whatever will come back at you. Karma is a bitch.

[@dunkyking6310]

@@florin604 Weimar Republic problems require Weimar Republic solutions

[@Burritobanditoo]

Fr, the first six are 1000 times more progressive and accepting than the current piles of money that they’re lighting on fire and trying to cram down our throats. Though I agree it’s a male dominated fanbase (not even sure if this is true given how large the fanbase was at its peak), star wars has always had a global appeal because the story and characters were primary, not a blatant agenda. It’s not inherently bad to have an agenda in a piece of art (cringing to associate the current drivel with art) but people (especially Star Wars fans who came for Star Wars) aren’t gonna care about any agenda you insert if the body of work around it SUCKS. In fact, as we’re seeing, it actively hurts said agenda

[@nula370]

As a heterosexual woman, please give Star Wars back to the patriarchy so I can have something to look at. Not many women I know wants to watch a movie with strong manly female characters. I want handsome strong men who might be a bit of a scoundrel. Thanks!

[@capimages]

💯

[@TheForgottenCapo]

Ah “that’s bigoted and anti-feminist” 🤧🤓

[@ottoweininger8156]

Exactly. Modern Star Wars writers really don't understand how much Han Solo, the handsome rogue, did to bring in female viewers

[@outrider425]

@@ottoweininger8156judging by the latest acolyte episode they actually do know it perfectly well 😂

[@Twiddle_things]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT!!! I'M SO TIRED OF ALL THE CUTE GUYS GETTING REPLACED WITH DUMPY FAT CHICKS!!!! I WANT SOMETHING TO LOOK AT COME ONNNN

[@ZibongX2]

Thanks; I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that they just weren’t very good writers. They’re bad, they know they’re bad, and they co-opt a successful franchise because they know they’re incapable of earning their own audience.

[@IsaacClarke0]

Kennedy clearly zoned out while George was talking and only came back when he clapped his hands.

[@NeoN-PeoN]

KZbin will never hold her accountable for abusing the copyright system. She's a protected class. She's immune from accountability.

[@Xander1Sheridan]

the backlash is coming. It will be glorious.

[@nullbubble791]

Black mum and white dad, she has two types of privilege. Not including the fact that she's a celebrity working under Didney and her dad is rich. And I think (not certain) that her mum is a crystal woo woo magic person😂

[@evenberg8499]

Aside from Sydney Watson, most women does not appear to be accountable in anything.

[@RaikenXion]

​@@evenberg8499erm don't you mean Sydney Sweeney?

[@med2904]

KZbin doesn't have to. It's still a crime of frivolous copyright claim that doesn't consider fair use. She's the one committing a CRIME, regardless of what KZbin says and does. She just has to be sued for it.

[@julianmahler2388]

03:12 If "man-centered" is bad, why would "woman-centered" be good?

[@johnnyrico3637]

"Something something male dominated something" Judging by their numbers, women don't want to watch it either. Surprising...

[@venomsnekko]

I've no idea where this "Star Wars is a patriarchal franchise" notion came from. My mom took me to see my first Star Wars movie. A close (female) friend of my mother had all six movies on VHS and gave me recommendations on where to start. My grandma owned a Legends novel about Jacen and Jaina Solo. Gender was never an issue until they made it one.

[@RioliXardiU]

That is the most confusing part for me about their whole patriarchy argument as well, SW always had strong female characters holding lots of power. Leia, Amidala, Ashoka, Ventress, the list literally goes on and on. It just shows that they are either wilfully destroying SW because they cannot see through their blind hatred for people not like them, or have not underdtood a single iota of SW in general and have probably not observed a single minute of SW properly or at all...

[@Allie-w1l]

Agreed. I've always loved sci-fi and fantasy, and I didn't care that most of my female friends did not, when I was young. They were raised to be influenced to prefer other genres, but in recent years that was already changing, and more girls were getting into sci-fi, fantasy and horror. There was no need to start snatch up the Star Wars franchise, bash men, castrate male heroes, and create female heroes who never have any flaws, never have to work their way up. This is just a small group of women abusing power, and creating jobs for their friends, while they sponge off the creative work done by others in the past.

[@nathanflanery2285]

Yep!! My MOTHER took me and my brothers to see the original 3 SW movies in the theater back in the 70's and 80's, NOT my father. My father could have gone with us, but he just wasn't interested in si-fi. Why did my mother like SW? Because Carrie Fisher was a strong female lead and Harrison Ford was "hot." How much more can a si-fi "drama" be "for women" than that??

[@C-M-E]

_The NAACP wants to know your location_

[@planetmilkshake]

I'm a Gen X female. As a kid growing up in the 80's I never ever felt I couldn't love Star Wars because the lead character was a man. I'm now lamenting what Disney has done to a world that I and my husband loved and something we shared with our boys too. Now I will never ever watch another Star Wars show or movie. I checked out after the Mandelorian episode 1 of Season 3 (I just loved Grogu so much at that stage) after it just went down hill quickly. I hated the last 3 movies with Rey and what they did to Luke, Han and Leia's characters. It's just a horrible mess now.

[@Maickl2004]

Просто считайте что всё что выходило по "Звездным Войнам" после 2012 года - не канон. -_-

[@etch-e-sketch4051]

This is what gets lost in all of the noise. So much of their justification hinges on them proclaiming what Is and is not 'for women'. These dichotomies _must_ exist to support their current rationale around their decisions. Yet, to me, it just smells of doing the very thing they complain about the patriarchy doing - removing women's agency. They get to decide what women do and don't like, not the women themselves. Star Wars is a 'boys thing', regardless of and blatantly ignoring all the women who liked it just fine. Women can't relate to men, people of color can't relate to non-people of color, we are all of us helpless and require catering to because we lack agency. Its gross.

[@obnoxiouslegofan]

Stick to the first six movies, dudette.

[@fennelwink]

I get ya. Back in the day, Star Wars wasn't a 'boy' thing, it was an everyone thing. It wasn't until decades later that I heard people calling it a boy thing.

[@TheChosenOne0420]

@@Maickl2004clone wars season 7 is the only Star Wars content Disney made that I don’t hate

[@----.__]

Something you'll notice with things made by a predominantly male group is that those men won't mention "men" in the course of the creation process. They won't even say it's "for men", or "by men" or that they are happy that their team comprises mostly men. I see a stark contrast with what Disney is doing though. We're forever being told this is made by women, written by women, there's more women behind and in front of the camera, and that this is for a more female audience. Men don't go out of their way to be sexist, they just band together the best minds and create something amazing. Ironically, in a woman's quest to "smash the patriarchy" they end up being the thing they supposedly hate - sexist.

[@barrettorth8413]

sexist... and mediocre at best.

[@saddlerrye6725]

You know they need to repeat it that it's now for us women, otherwise we wouldn't know. I most certainly never though it was made for me - or anyone else for that matter.

[@thegrimharvest]

​@@saddlerrye6725that's the funny part. They insist that it's made for you, by people like you. It's vanity, resentment, entitlement and projection. You are a woman, they are a woman, you must be the same and think the same and like all the same things. If reality disagrees with them then reality is wrong. Every time.

[@lbcollins71]

I agree with you. A well written female lead is awesome. Buffy, the vampire slayer series, was one of the best, and she was able to be strong,smart, and make mistakes without her male counterparts being weak ,stupid, or otherwise inferior Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Here's hoping that one day, they start caring about the fans again. But it's only when they lose enough money is when they will care

[@dhunter1133]

Why is it that the slave Leia bikini is always held up as an example of SW misogyny...yet...if a women is at a con cosplaying Leia, she is invariably wearing that outfit?

[@klingon9292]

and if you tell that woman to cover up its misogyny lol

[@Elheru42]

Because cosplayers are awesome and wouldn't be the same person complaining about the bikini in the first place. Let's not lump everyone together.

[@christophervincent77]

it was so misogynistic that she single-handedly strangled her oppressor with the very chain that bound her to him.

[@Burritobanditoo]

⁠@@christophervincent77right? 😂 it’s almost like it was intentionally a bit misogynistic for the purpose of empowering her 🤷‍♀️ I’m sure that’s just a coincidence, Star Wars has never been about alluding to greater themes. They’ve always just told not shown that’s why they’re great!😅 *sarcastic voice

[@linesided]

Most women would rather rock a Hutt bikini than an itchy wool burka.

[@nephlite]

I can't fathom how they learned nothing from New Coke. If you have a successful brand, don't mess with it to attract a different customer base. Make a separate product. Thus, you would keep the mainline story status quo. Then make a smaller movie with a smaller budget for your "girl boss" movie and see what the demand looks like. This is like business 101. These are supposed to be professionals, wtf!?!?

[@Nylon_riot]

New Coke was a planned gaslighting campaign. It was Coke and Pepsi who are to thank for HFCS in everything because they spearheaded it after chasing the Feds for years to subsidize corn because they wanted a cheaper, locly produced sugar. Then after they got their wishes, they did the New Coke /Old Coke scandal to cover for the fact that they were changing their historic recipe. No one under 30 knows what classic Coke tastes like. Same company that helped launched the plastic bottle nightmare we all get to enjoy today by hiding it behind greenwashing campaigns.

[@wayneswanson3294]

They didn't learn after "Lady Ghostbusters", and blamed racism and misogyny for that failure, too.

[@nephlite]

@@wayneswanson3294 While I agree 100% with that statement Ghostbusters is hardly Star Wars from a franchise perspective. Let's be honest, Ghostbusters 2 was..eh. The first one had all the magic. Just from solely a business perspective, how you mess around with the formula on that profitable an IP is shocking. I get they thought they could get the ESG money and still have the same box office. Because they have such a low view of the audience's intelligence. They spent 4 billion on that IP and still haven't made a profit 12 years later! None of it makes any sense. How Iger, Kennedy, and that board still have jobs may be the single biggest mystery of the modern age.

[@Senkoau]

You misunderstand. They are professional activists. They can't be expected to also have degrees I'm things like business or filmograpgy. Besides they taught themselves everything they know so there's nothing more they can be expected to learn.

[@nephlite]

​@@Nylon_riot well, I can't speak to that. I'll have to do some research. To my recollection they rolled out the new formula (which was basically Pepsi flavored) because they were losing ground to Pepsi. It failed horrendously, crashing their stock. So they introduced Classic Coke and renamed the other one New Coke. Which they eventually got rid of because everyone hated it. You can still get the original cane sugar formula from Mexico.

[@Nexus9_KD6-4.8]

Speaking as a former fan, its destroyed, past tense. It can be saved only if it changes ownership and all recently produced "content" is decanonized and ignored.

[@leonnunhofer3453]

Yes, and it needs a lot of time. Imo a new generation of fans. Imo they should stop with Star Wars, and remaster episode 1 - 6 in a few years, and hope, children will watch and like it in the following years. Then, in maybe 15 - 20 years, they can produce new content, and they should stick to the source material. There is enough lore, that's actually liked by real fans, that they could use 🤷‍♂️

[@hankkingsley9183]

Decanonizing is a dumb concept. You cannot expect average fans to keep track of what if canon, what isn't. Everything made under the banner of the franchise is part of it's story. That's why it should be properly concepting in the first place, there is no going back

[@RogueWraith909]

@@hankkingsley9183 In that case there's a major problem with Han Solo's death in the movies... because in the books chewie died first screeming in rage at a falling moon as it smashed into the planet he was on after saving Han and Leia's children. Also, Luke got married to a character that Disney hasn't even acknowledged existed! Mara Jade - the Emperors Hand! He even had a son called Ben...

[@DurandalsFate]

Rogue One and Andor shouldn't be decanonized.

[@Nexus9_KD6-4.8]

@@DurandalsFate Agreed. The first two seasons of Mando weren't bad either.

[@MB-pc4cs]

It's like having your mom and her friends hijack your rock band

[@elderwitch8632]

"Not a safe space for women" in a franchise all about blasting and light-sabering each other to death...

[@kingcosworth2643]

Those people are cultists, reality has no place in their world view

[@_Just_John]

One person in my close proximity absolutely hates Disney Star Wars. My mom. In her opinion it is "completely hollow." She grew up with it, she took me to see prequels when I was little. She has a massive frame with original trilogy Yoda in the kitchen. Not poster but a framed painting of him. She has "dark side" and "light side" stickers above and below the bedroom lightswitch. So I have no idea who is KK's target audience.

[@gravemind6536]

Its an audience that doesn't exist because none of their material is actually aimed at anyone that watches Star Wars. These people clearly never watched Star Wars because if they did they would see its full of strong female charecters like, princess Leia, Padme, Mom Mothma, Ahsoka, Sabine Wren, Bo Katan, Satine Kryze, Hera Syndulla and many female Jedis some of whom were on the Jedi Council.

[@daftmi9hty327]

My mum's in the same boat she loved Star wars but she hates the new stuff because she basically said the same thing it's become hollow

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Framed painting of Yoda. 😂

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

KK's target audience is KK.

[@piotr7805]

The "modern audience" is the kids.. This is how they "force behaviors", by making that insufferable crap they call "entertainment" new normal and as there is always clash between generations, there is reasonable chance the seed will sprout.. The left just did their homework, in public they hate the famous angry painter, but in private, they study his lessons like "He who controls the youth, controls the future".

[@DarkRevan36]

It's nice to see women pushing back on this too, as a male fan I'd just get labeled as toxic or one of the ISTs or PHOBE's for giving any criticism. They have absolutely shoe-horned themselves into an existing IP and attack the fans for not liking the fact they are fundamentally changing the stories.

[@BasicShapes]

8:08 - There's just something so odd about Kathleen's reaction here. She looks bored and nervous at the same time, and her response later just seems like typical corporate placation. What I can tell she's thinking in that moment: "Yeah, whatever you said is nice and all, but we're just trying to take this franchise and make a trillion dollars with it. So your feelings really aren't that important." But she's nervous because she doesn't want George to pick up on that. She even tries to hide her fidgeting hands. The other chick, whoever that is, just looks and acts like every single phony, polished, corporate HR person I've ever seen. What a sad state of affairs it is, when stupid and incompetent people like this are put in charge. People who clearly have their own scummy fake corpo agenda, and who have zero love or respect for the source material that millions of people grew up with and cherished. I don't know how *everyone* hasn't abandoned Star Wars in protest, for the hollow, empty, political propaganda that it has obviously become.

[@Allie-w1l]

If I may, I'd like to quote your video summary right here, because it is so well said: "So again: they are not fans, they don't care about Star Wars, they don't see themselves in its original vision, so their objective is to reinvent it - to revise it - so it finally makes sense to them." Perfect.

[@prettyboyg1278]

Spot on.

[@firering51]

16:14 Dave Filoni made Ashoka a cocky and unlikable character on purpose. Because of her brashness, she makes some bad decisions that cost many lives. As a result she was able to self-reflect, humble herself, and truly grow as a character. That is why she is very much beloved amongst the Star Wars fandom, and IMO is a female character done correctly.

[@unsolicited577]

Thank you for this.

[@llareia]

Exactly!

[@Daniel_Huffman]

Ironically, Ahsoka is a character whose existence has caused a lot of problems for reasons other than the way she is written: Prior to the _TCW_ Pilot Movie, Anakin was established to have only been knighted thirty months into the Clone Wars and six months prior to _Revenge of the Sith._

[@Vfanatic1]

The crazy part is, that in Legends continuity, the books, comics, etc that came before Disney bought it out HAD strong female characters. Leia became a Jedi, Luke married a former Jedi Assassin under the Emperor, Han and Leia's daughter Jaina Solo fights and defeats her twin brother Jacen who becomes a Darth on the level of some of the most powerful Sith ever. But of course why would they know that when their heads are too far up their own asses.

[@stevenstokes464]

Yep. One of the first things Disney did after the purchase was to say that the at least 15 years worth of comic stories from Dark Horse "didn't happen". Just counting the comics and not even the novels, that's a lot of stories to just dump and try to pretend never happened.

[@Ciao_Bella]

​. Except now when need to mine ideas.

[@soffren]

They will come crawling back to legends when they're out if ideas. Why do you think Palpatine coming back was the ending for episode 9?

[@tranquilthoughts7233]

They had to drop these stories to uphold the narrative that starwars was such a man centered universe with no female leads. The narrative is more important than reality.

[@Maickl2004]

Первое что сделал Дисней - полностью отменил "Расширенную Вселенную". Все книги, комиксы, игры и прочее, что выходили до 2012 по мнению Диснея - не канон. -_-