The World of Battlefield 2042

Environmental disasters, economic catastrophes and a worldwide refugee crisis have brought Russia and the United States to the brink of war. But does the world of Battlefield 2042 make any sense?
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[@TemplinInstitute]

I hope it comes across that my passionate defense of flags, is not of the literal flags themselves, but rather the meaning and purpose behind them. Or maybe I'm just in love with flags, who knows.

[@exaggeratedswaggerofablackteen]

You are in love with flags.

[@Helljumper556]

Amazing video again! Keep up the good work!

[@TemplinInstitute]

@@KarmG-fo4xr Nepal's obviously.

[@attilaedem101]

@@TemplinInstitute i just want to threw a little bit of info, Kessler effect is actually real thing, if one satelite is destroyed that make thousands of tiny little space debris flying with faster speed than the sound, NASA and other space agencies actually actively monitor EVERY SINGLE space debris in orbit because of it - simply put, 1 destroyed sateline can cause a runaway chain reaction veryeasily, and this actually already sparked a diplomatic incident a few years ago, when China INTENSIONALLY destroyed one of their own satelites to test the feasability of such an attack (and went very well, their managed to hit the satelite without a problem and more worryingly, the tech their used is so primite to the ponit whereeven North Korea or Iran could do it). So the posibility is there, this part of the world CAN happen. The effect of it is a bit overdramatised thought in my opinion too, it would have a major effect, thats for sure, but not THIS much. And also, more advanced military tech would be usseles in such a scenario, becasue many guided system relly on GPS - which would not exist without satelite networks.

[@Arashmickey]

People who dote on flags: vexillollygaggers!

[@MrAmeame]

The satellite thing is kind of believable, 90 percent of all satellites are situated in LEO, a cascading Kessler event would definitely do a lot of damage 👌🏾

[@auxencefromont1989]

spy sats are in geo though

[@javierpowell4705]

@@auxencefromont1989 bingo!

[@abelzatyko1513]

@@auxencefromont1989 Depends. I'd imagine ballistic missile spotters and the like are, but one can hardly make optical imaging satellites that are powerful enough to be useful from geostat. orbits. Also, why would you put the so far away, when you can achieve so much more from LEO?

[@samk108]

@@auxencefromont1989 Which ones? Most imaging is done as close as possible to the target, IE highly-inclined low orbits. These are the worst-affected, since their orbit intersect very closely and their relative velocities are high. Each destroyed satellite becomes a shotgun blast of debris to hit several more over the next few days.

[@auxencefromont1989]

@@samk108 any one, even if LEO is nuked, if there are still spysats left in geo, countries can continue to spy, even if their res has gone from 10 cm to 2m

[@dianabarnett6886]

China is suspiciously absent from this. And yeah, the whole "no pat" thing is silly and convoluted. PMCs would make more sense. In times of societal collapse, it's a lucrative time to be a mercenary.

[@pyrrhusofepirus8491]

I’m guessing it’s because Battlefield 4 got banned in China for having China be an enemy.

[@jinon2667]

theyre DLC, maybe

[@talicadk]

@@Gingerninja800 there where also mad asf with battlefield 2. Just that you can play against china is a big nono.

[@Iamcool366]

Yeah China is a big chunk of the market and censorship is pretty strong over there, so unfortunately you won't see them in many games like this. It would make way more sense, if this was following our real life time line, for China to be one of the big bad superpowers

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

The PRChinese banned Command and Conquer Generals due to the first two missions of their campaign, namely terrorism (detonating a nuke in Beijing) and excessive force (in a time Hong Kong still enjoys its autonomy)...

[@igotwect3174]

NOPATS: We hate these nations! They abandoned and exiled us! Nations: Here’s a gun. Now go fight those guys over there. NOPATS. ok

[@NoNo-qj3ef]

I actually wondered if these Nopats were pro economic because soldiers typically have higher pay than labourers so it would be all for the money and nothing else

[@mitchtherighteous]

By 2042 all the latino "undocumenteds" finally give up trying to get into the USA & form their own transnational merc group

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@mitchtherighteous Which actually sounds like a better outcome for them because they become independent and can even get paid by the US. A Win Win.

[@kaesarhs7959]

isnt that wat happened in the middle east??

[@ayumalani5631]

No Pats are just temporary anarchists who while take up a flag when you wag a wad of cash or gold.

[@WwZa7]

- The world is ending, and we have limited resources to support humanity, how do we spend the rest of them? - Fuckton of military equipment. - Nice.

[@Tgungen]

-And then send those high tech equipment to literal immigrants with no real training -More nice

[@natedlc854]

@black bear perfect this will never backfire

[@FielValeryRTS]

Yeah, what could go wrong? 🤤

[@jonolas1626]

@@natedlc854 exactly, dont worry guys there is no friendly fire IRL

[@HansChucrute88]

If you don't your enemy will.

[@scottjennings503]

... did I seriously just listen to a game's justification for having a bunch of proxy soldiers fighting a global conflict and think to myself, "wow, the wartime economy in Metal Gear Solid makes more sense than this"?

[@Soras_]

Mgs at least give me a believable in universe explanation. I don't think bf2042 would do that given that it would not feature sp gameplay.

[@iratepirate3896]

War Has Changed

[@maciejromaniuk3014]

Now you know why there is no campaign xd because if there was then they would have to make an effort coming up with a believable lore

[@JointedSpagel]

It's pretty bad but not as bad as people are saying. For instance the satellites are very very believable and 70% of them being gone is a little conservative given a full on Kessler syndrome scenario

[@Skullbrothers]

@@maciejromaniuk3014 There is a campaign told through multiplayer, so they do have a lore.

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

If the No-Pats are 1.2 billions, they could easily form a third or several factions, and duke it out in a worldwide civil war. In fact, a Russian civil war but on a world scale would be a cool concept for a videogame.

[@Tgungen]

The comments are filled with more interesting concepts like this. Seriously, how much do Battlefield writers get paid for this?

[@Marylandbrony]

@@Tgungen They should pay some us and put us up in a fancy hotel with several days of cocaine inside.

[@brandonwilliams6221]

Infrastructure. Infrastructure. Infrastructure. Rome was built by roads. A bunch of people from all over with no connections to any formal government bodies would have a hard time fighting for long enough against even a crippled superpower.

[@andrewlynch4126]

@@Tgungen problem is they think they are cratering to brain dead teenagers so they dumb things down to the lowest common denominator

[@byron2FZ]

@@brandonwilliams6221 even today there are like 80 million displaced peoples. But lacking in funds and infrastructure (and so far any major alliance) there isn't anything they can do along those lines.

[@SirFreelanders35]

in Battlefield 2042 it's 64 years until the ice age begins, 97 years until the cold war begins and a lot could happen.

[@Marylandbrony]

And has been 42 years since Phillip J Fry got himself frozen and 957 until he unfreezes himself.

[@therubennation8700]

Why do I have feeling of Battlefield 2142?

[@LTcesar1]

@@therubennation8700 I had the same feeling

[@therubennation8700]

@@LTcesar1 don't tell me this game turnout to be prequel to 2142

[@LTcesar1]

@@therubennation8700 I hope so

[@hpmachina5876]

Debris storm causing the majority of all nation’s satellites to fail? Call Osea and Erusea.

[@Spec_tisum]

Yeah I just noticed that to.

[@dianabarnett6886]

Activate Stonehenge

[@Marylandbrony]

1-877-Osea-now!

[@unitNitro]

ez fix. By 2042 we should have our own Space elevator. We just need to use that for (50% of) our global communication.

[@92HazelMocha]

Sounds like Belkan voodoo

[@localHazzard]

With the No-Pats scale, clout, and ability to fight it'd make more sense that they would try to instead establish their own nations while the established powers are weakened. Most likely as micro-nations under their own ideals. The superpowers could then bargain support for these fledgling states in exchange for serving as proxy fighters in the conflicts across the globe.

[@ThatsPrettyFunnyMan]

Instead theyre a ragtag bunch of anti-gov anarcho Twitter users.

[@camyx_]

they're military operators, not nation leaders

[@localHazzard]

@@camyx_ Many warlords were very unqualified to lead the territories they controlled; but that certainly hasn't stopped them from doing so. Hard to disagree with the idiot that controls many other idiots with guns.

[@camyx_]

@@localHazzard while this is true of history no modern nations are formed and able to run like this. it has become much more complex than when warlords could rule. also these no-pats have no land, they are just naval convoys

[@ThatsPrettyFunnyMan]

@@camyx_ No theyre not strictly military operators. "They are families, farmers, doctors, engineers, and soldiers... the once privileged and the impoverished with backgrounds that are worlds apart" Which among them must've existed atleast a handful of natural born leaders or some silver-tongued bureaucrats. Which they do exist. "No-Pat leaders emerge, inspiring a new identity unbound to former nationality, drawing a line in the sand between the Old World and The New Normal". Note the s plural. Indicating that theyre already in the same situation pictured in the original comment. Its just that they dont call themselves nations because of Twitter clout.. tribes, maybe?

[@synchrosentity]

Unfortunately, satellite Kessler effects are incredibly capable of destroying virtually many, even most of the satellites in space. This includes the ISS due to the incredible speeds that can be gained in orbit.

[@L0stEngineer]

Absolutely true for low earth orbit, but Templin for the win here, MEO is a huge range and there just aren't many satellites in that orbit, so it's less likely. Geosynchronous orbits have much less severe conjunction speeds so its also not as critical there. Im really impressed they got that right.

[@CMVBrielman]

Its complicated. Kessler syndrome could be devastating for a short period, but in the or its where it would be worst (low orbits) it would also be resolved the fastest, because those orbits decay the quickest. The thin atmosphere slows down even large objects like the ISS, requiring constant boosting. Small debris would quickly evaporate. Plus, roughly 50% of all debris from collisions will be moving slower than before, meaning they’ll de-orbit even quicker. Humanity could then just point lasers at the remaining debris and just zap them - not to destroy them but to slow them down until they de-orbit. Higher orbits are safer, of course, due to the vast volume of space. However, our spy satellites are in low orbit, so if they’re knocked out, even for a matter of hours, you can bet everyone is going to panic.

[@perrysouza87]

There's a physics problem at play, however: the faster any debris in orbit is going, the higher the altitude it will travel at, reducing the likelihood of striking other satellites due to the greater volume in which that debris will travel.

[@mattstorm360]

@@CMVBrielman And most spy satellites aren't in normal low Earth orbit. Instead their orbits bring them down to LEO during the day and swing outward during the night. If a spy satellite was destroyed it could effect more then just LEO.

[@iszox2973]

The relative speeds of satelites in LEO is mostly based on inclination and excentricity and since there are a lot of Satelites in LEO on a lots of different orbits a Kessler Syndrome is more likely with these, however there is no way that these will ever reach MEO or Geostationary Orbit, and considering that both GPS, TV and Communications Satelites are placed in this orbit, it's unlikely These Systems would be affected

[@firockfinion3326]

I can hardly imagine myself being motivated to fight and die for a twitter hashtag; much less against other people who also believe in the same twitter hashtag. That makes no sense on like every level.

[@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269]

Do not underestimate the stupidity of Twitter users

[@sheik117]

@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 Holy shit, this may actually be the most belivable piece of lore in any Battlefield to date!

[@izackschnoor1003]

If you use tiktok, then a social media war seems unreal. If you use no social media, you can clearly see the crazy from social media users.

[@futurist4453]

Actually did you forget that some idiot actually goes to war for ISIS because their stupid propaganda through Facebook?

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

Twitter hashtags are no different than the old slogans, and plenty of people died for those. What is strange is that No-Pats fight eachother more than the actual governments. Some infighting is a given, since not all No-Pats are going to believe in the same ideologies, and power hungry politicians willing to bend their ideology for absolute power will always exist. But this leads to a two (or infinite) front war, like it's common during civil wars, not only infighting while leaving the enemies be.

[@Marylandbrony]

I think the idea of an refugee army is really good overall. But having both the US and Russia using them as their main fighting forces is wrong without the right context. Maybe they are fighting alongside regular army units? Instead Endwar from 2007 did a much better job with having a "Army of the forgotten" from collapsed regions in Africa, Latin America and the Balkans being used as a proxy force by Russia to incite a proper third world war. With America and Europe on opposing sides no less.

[@QuantumAscension1]

Honestly, The No-Pats seem better positioned to form a third faction, considering they're highly distrustful of governments and many would likely be radicalized by their desperation situation. Such a faction would be more disorganized and militarily weaker than the US and Russia, so they have to fight with unconventional and terrorism-style tactics, kind of like the GLA in C&C: Generals.

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

Honestly it would make more sense of the NOPATS holding up in areas that the US and Russia might not have too much investment in, biding their time for a possible nuclear exchange to take advantage of resulting lack of order, come out as humanitarians helping people during the war while the two remaining superpowers bring the collapse of civilization

[@MrRPGTHEBEST]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought about the Forgotten Army after seeing these no-pats

[@Ivandelarosa1917]

I mean, it's just paramilitary stuff. It' happens all the time

[@theliato3809]

If no pat was a catch all term for various militant groups in the territories the factions control who are rising up it could work a lot better.

[@thesupertendent8973]

There is actually a plausible theory for the satellite issue. It is a real problem IRL, with genuine concern. It’s a sort of domino effect. Once one satellite is hit its debris hit two, then four then ten then twenty, and so on.

[@jeezed2950]

Yes a small problem gets exponentially larger with every satellite that gets destroyed.

[@thesupertendent8973]

@@jeezed2950 yes exactly

[@PhantomDog-td9pu]

The same thing happens in ace combat 7

[@DocWolph]

That is THE definition of the Kessler Syndrome (Mentioned in the video). IN BF2042 it is simply not a total loss, with about 70% of Sats disabled.

[@adriatical9016]

Yes, you just defined the Kessler syndrome, as said in the video.

[@lunokhod3937]

Getting alot of Ace Combat vibes from this; catastrophic natural disasters, shit tons of mercenaries, global and exotic battlegrounds, poltics that make no sense at all. I'm not opposed to that, especially since this new game isn't shackling itself to any real historical or current events.

[@strangewolf1261]

Glad to hear someone else think this as well! DEFINITELY a lot of Strangereal/Wingman vibes from the setting & I love it. : )

[@Marylandbrony]

All it needs is a dramatic version of “Somebody I use to know” playing.

[@strider117aldo9]

Nonsensical politics from ACE? I was gonna like your comment, but you couldn't say "nonsensical action stunts"? If you ask me and if you really paid attention, I think the ACE politics are pretty sensible.

[@spartanalex9006]

Imagine what the Aces would think after seeing a successful Rendezook.

[@wofls2713]

@@strider117aldo9 you're talking about a world where a nation NUKED THEMSELVES TO AVOID AN INVASION

[@Slavesforsale1]

Yeah, this whole "No-Pat" thing seems really convoluted and silly. Hopefully they'll have a better explanation as to what's going on in this universe when the game is released. My guess is that they're doing the game this way so you can make your own character, with different accents, ethnicity and what not. The idea of a bunch of refugee mercenaries who hate the government but work for the government could work, but probably won't, at least in my opinion.

[@dianabarnett6886]

Well that, and they're sidestepping alienating potential markets. *coughChinacough* I think it would be better if instead, the major powers have simply collapsed and fragmented in the natural and socioeconomic turmoil during the 2040's, and what we have are warlords and their mercenary armies carving up territory and seizing resources in the chaos. It tends to be what happens during the collapse of empires.

[@MegaSimmaster]

@@dianabarnett6886 they don't want to anger political groups in the US either. Writing a critical story about independent militias would anger a lot of conservatives.

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

Well they couldn't just straight up call them "world revolutionaries", or some other more accurate, but also equally more politically charged, name.

[@camyx_]

they way they're doing classes in this game is a system called specialists, think RS6 operators

[@Rodrigo_Vega]

Seems to me they wanted to comment and appeal on modern anti-patriotic sensibilities, but making them either naive or villainous puppets without putting much thought into _how_ to fit them into that role. Sort of how Elite Squad's "Umbra" was also a thinly-veiled villification of a modern social movement playing puppet to the bad guys.

[@rare_kumiko]

I keep hearing Notepads instead of "no-pats". I wish we got more nations instead of the usual Russia vs US. Gimme a Battlefield with the US, China, Russia, the UK, the EU (as a coalition or some countries on their own, maybe it could vary depending on the map), Israel, Iran, India, Pakistan, South Korea, North Korea, Japan, each nation with their own vehicles and quirks. They can make up conflicts between them if they want for more variety. Like, Japan vs Israel? Sure, why not.

[@ChiefCrewin]

Careful now, BF4 was banned in China because Winnie the Pooh didn't like his glorious nation being shot at. Can't have your blockbuster game be banned there, now can we?

[@user-wm4df2sw2s]

@@ChiefCrewin well, well... you dissapoint Party and Great Leader. -100 social point and one cat-wife.

[@jasonstormsong4940]

India against Pakistan (with potential for some Chinese interference) in South Asia, Japan ROK and ROC coalition against China in Pacific Asia, Russia against EU in Ukraine, Israel against yet another Arab coalition in the Mid East, Turkey, EU, PRC, and US happening across each other in Africa or South America. Yeah there should be no issue with variety.

[@glockenspiel604]

@@ChiefCrewin How much you wanna bet that China is still going to be mad because they aren't a super power in 2042

[@Barbaroossa]

Yeah, the whole idea of Germany suddenly collapsing just ain't plausible at all.

[@Wilahelm2]

I have to ask, why to they keep going back to this US/Russia rivalry. There are other nations out there that are and could be major player in the international arena. Where is China, India, Iran, Japan, Turkey. Honestly this whole thing just reeks of no effort in the world building area.

[@DOSFS]

Simply real world marketing even if they want to do, they don't gonna risk high profile project. China is too f*cking fragile that they gonna ban the game if they found even a slide of negative view on them. India is possible but they are in good relation with US. US is unavoidble. So US and Russia is just most obvious and safest option of them all. At least they try to put some interesting ideas to it.

[@aurin_komak]

Adding to that other reply, US and Russia have been rivals before. So, it feels sort of familiar and natural.

[@schneejacques3502]

Iran Vs Saudi, Pakistan vs India, Israel vs Egypt, Turkey vs Greece, Ethiopia vs Somalia, Colombia vs Venezuela. So much potential.

[@aurin_komak]

@@schneejacques3502 those are pretty controversial + Yankees couldn't relate to them. It's just safer and more marketable to just go with US vs Russia Also those couldn't spark a WW3 and where's the fun in that

[@balashibuyeeter2704]

@@aurin_komak Pakistan/china vs India wouldn't spark a world War? Stop the cap.

[@Western_1]

Could you imagine a battlefield game where they go full Kaiserreich? That would be badass.

[@GreenDecember]

Yes, way more lore and story elements

[@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290]

@@GreenDecember And a far more interesting place than the world in Battlefield 2042. Honestly, Dice should instead make a prequel game for Battlefield 2142 showing how the war started instead of coming with this badly written mess of a scenario.

[@manticorephoenix]

I’d love a Battlefield game that mimics the Expanse though obviously where combat is more of a focus, but bottom line no one plays a Battlefield game for its story and no one is going to turn away from a game due to a perceived poor explanation for the games conflict

[@sintamaramadrama]

what we need is tno battlefield :)

[@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290]

@@sintamaramadrama "TNO Battlefield"?! What that means???

[@23AlexandreJ]

The no-pats sound like a Marvel's antagonist group or something

[@reapr31337]

I love a good merc war, but their way of justifying it is kinda lame. It would make more sense if they had a military downsizing due to a period of relative peace, then took on mercenaries for power projection when the disasters hit and conflicts escalated again. Also, it would be nice to see a game dev brave enough to flip Pooh the bird.

[@QuantumAscension1]

It would be interesting if it went down the corporate dystopia route, where instead on US vs Russia, it was massive multinational corporations with entire private military companies to fight for their business interests, kind of like the background lore in Horizon Zero Dawn.

[@alexinc.1128]

I think Battlefield 4 is one of the few mainstream games that dares touch on China

[@onemorescout]

@@alexinc.1128 That’s because China wasn’t as big of a player in world entertainment compared to now, so EA could see BF4 getting banned there and be like “whatever.” Now their competitors are making big money off of China, and EA is currently partnering with a Chinese company (was it Tencent again? not sure) to develop and launch the Apex Legends mobile port amongst other things, so they couldn’t risk putting China in BF2042, or have a naval/ground map set on and along the coast of Taiwan, or whatever. Remember, the trailer for the DLC that BF4 got banned for put a focus on China bravely defending their homeland and talking shit about American consumerism. They weren’t even satisfied with a positive depiction.

[@deathgripskaraoke9351]

Woah supporting the anti-China stance that half the American population and the entire government also has, daring, really punk rock

[@alexinc.1128]

@@deathgripskaraoke9351 then why don't more games and movies reference reference that sentiment

[@joelferguson9324]

Change No-pats to Mercs and everything works a lot better.

[@shangothunder1055]

1.2 Billion(about 1/9 of the human population) MERCS?🙃

[@lazwardazure716]

@@shangothunder1055 like an Army not like a population i think

[@AbyssWatcher745]

@@shangothunder1055 Don't need that many people to form merc armies.

[@shangothunder1055]

@@AbyssWatcher745 That's canonitically how many No-Pats there are. They confirmed that over a billion of Earths about 9 billion population are no-pats.

[@shangothunder1055]

@Roshaun Roache Yea it's dumb and makes no sense.

[@RedJericho45]

Seems pretty clear the devs/publisher didn't bother trying to get anyone with a political science degree or anyone who's worked in national security to work on the writing for the game. They might have realized we already have term for "no-pats" which is "stateless persons".

[@MonkeyJedi99]

And they could be nicknamed "Staples" or STAPs.

[@Frostwolf_103]

No pats, more like no patriots.

[@matthewgraham6980]

Jake gets it.

[@sheik117]

Political science degree? Experience in national security? Someone with the ability to look at a map and identify more than 5 countries would go a long way...

[@Operator214MerchantMarine]

even a curator on a history museum could tell a good story about civilizations rise and fall and how society could function. The Dev obviously have poor script writing

[@thinhvo3893]

You know I dare the writer to come up with modern conflict that doesnt involved US fighting against Russia/China

[@karma9898]

To be fair it is kind of hard to make any major conflict without any of them

[@ZontarDow]

Well right now the US is in a cold war with China so them being the opponent to the US is the logical thing similar to how the US vs Soviet Union was for the longest time. If anything the continued depiction of Russia as a potential opponent despite the fact anti-Russian sentiment in the west is purely political theatre as can be seen by the actions of the current US administration and those across Europe, it's odd they're still the go to enemy.

[@LatinaCreamQueen]

Say what you will about CoD: Ghost, but at least they TRIED to make up something new. Silly, but new.

[@karma9898]

@@ZontarDow I mean not really it make China the enemy they can't sell it in China and basically Every Nation except for Russia is viewed as a two week or not ambitious

[@cipherthedemonlord8057]

Fighting China is always good though.

[@Tgungen]

This No-Pat thing is absolutely absurd even by video game standards. I mean, Battlefield always had ridiculous plots such as entire Middle East uniting and managing to land troops in East Cost of US, EU invading China, Russia magically conquering the whole world, Second Ice Age and so on. But this is outright lazy and uninspiring. Seriously, how much do people get paid to write these? Even I designed more original and interesting concepts when I was 13.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

It would have been amazing if this was the Genesis of 2142, The No Pats are actually the reason why the PAC became a thing in the 1st place, explaining why nations like Japan and Korea would even join the Russians and Chinese, because they were Burned by the US. With this movement of basically Revolutionaries spreading the US salvages what it could from the remains of the EU and Austrailia and what Allies and Credibility they have left as most of their other Allies are either dead or joined Russia. (this also explains why the EU was weaker in 2142, because they are basically salvaged nations only held together by the US and the remaining nations that survived 2042) But considering how 2042 turned out its probably for the best.

[@jackjederstrombergman4987]

On one side, As someone who is a fan of Peter Zeihan this entire scenario hurts every fiber of my being. But on the other hand TucNado and direct references to old bf3 memes makes me forget all that in a heartbeat. Tldr devs have complete lack of geopolitical understanding, 110% understanding of what makes the older bf games great.

[@joeandrew8752]

Peter zeihan doesn't seem to speak much about global warming though does he. Honestly the stuff I see most about is the America vs China stuff. I've never seen him say anything about global warming.

[@aguspuig6615]

honestly id be willing to wait, imagine, we could get an awsome battelfield game with an awsome story to boot

[@strider117aldo9]

Tell me how the BF2/Bad Company conflicts happening because they can is any better, bruv. The Excuse Plot trope page is filled with Battlefield, if anything.

[@jackjederstrombergman4987]

@@joeandrew8752 he talks more about how its going to go to fuck anyway since solar and wind isn't going to work on a larger scale thanks to population/production mismatch. Most areas will go back to coal sadly. And if you look at how much trouble most countries are in a nonglobalised world global warming is going to the least of their problems. Depending on how bad you think global warming is, will put the other crisis in perspective...

[@joeandrew8752]

@@jackjederstrombergman4987 wow, quite the optimist isn't he

[@nobodyherepal3292]

You know…the whole EU thing might actually make since. Think about it, the symbol in 2142 is way different than the real world EU symbols, and the union seems way more United and integrated then in real life. Perhaps it broke up, then came back in a another form by 2142. Also, anyone else notice the PAC symbol on the left arm of one of the soldiers in the Singapore container yard?

[@Galvars]

It's one of the most ridiculous element of this story, for some reason something "collapse" and rest "dissolve" it's just a very lazy way to erase any Europe elements from game. Well at least EU was mentioned... China don't even exist in that background.

[@bwer123gt]

you might be on to something as Marc said, this isnt 2 prime superpowers ducking it out, this is 2 on their last legs, desperate countries trying to survive kind of war. It could probably end up with both of them collapsing and new powers filling the vacuum. like a reformed EU and PAC. Also we know from last stand DLC that Russia was the one who spearheaded the development of the tech that's going to be in 2142. maybe 2042 going to explain how Russia transform into PAC(fingers crossed) also trying to reverse rising sea level is the quickest way to accidentally start a new Ice age from storytelling perspective.

[@BadBabcia]

You're talking about this guy who get knifed? If yes, then its not PAC Lotus but Canadian Leaf.

[@dianabarnett6886]

A lot can happen in a hundred years.

[@Tequila4Days]

it also makes sense since it seems to be led by Great Brittan ironically

[@UGNAvalon]

“To use a boxing metaphor, this is like… the big boxing match. IDK.” -Marc 2021 Brilliant. 🤣

[@tragedyofdarthplagueis1630]

What if we just got rid of borders? With MIRVS?

[@exaggeratedswaggerofablackteen]

Based

[@Hy93Ri0n]

This but unironically

[@kurumachikuroe442]

Yo buddy, it’s time

[@preussen4983]

Pixy moment

[@cheeseninja1115]

they even pulled an AC7 and nuked all the satellites lol

[@kokolekroko882]

Well the No-Pats thing is just an excuse for them to justify their New "specialists" system and sell skins, that's all. But at least we know we will be able to disable skins, so I Guess it's not to Bad. But in terms of World building it sure is kinda sad

[@HottestBrownMan]

It's not just sad , it's just straight dumb. Why would refugees become soldiers? Especially if they had no prior experience? What would make more sense is if these former soldiers of these failed nations starting forming PMCs or even Neo-Nationlist groups. But that would make too much sense , lol. Also does Dice not know that if 1.2 billion people are statless there would probably be a system to integrate these stateless persons? Wouldn't countries just bring them in as refugees like any other conflict? Like refugees don't just start forming armies , the whole point of being a refugee is usually to avoid war.

[@ReporterRed]

how do you know we will be able to disable skins? got a source for that by any chance? not trying to be annoying, its just the one thing I want in this game but haven't heard anything about and am concerned over.

[@kokolekroko882]

@@ReporterRed I think it's from one of Ea's investers calls but I'm not sure and I don't remember wich one. But I'm 100% sure they said that

[@Kastrenzo74]

I think the implication was that governments have fallen and that there's ex soldiers of countries that dont exist anymore,

[@HottestBrownMan]

@Canuk Kun According to who? lol. Also they become soldiers of the country they reside in , who would of thought? The question is , is it likely for refugees with no military experience to make an army who's ideology is anarchy and fight for the 2 biggest states in the world? I think not.

[@a.d.7633]

Funny how it is always US vs Russia. I assume that (codename) "Winnie the Pooh" made a call.

[@DualWieldedEggrolls]

They probably want this game to sell well in China. I heard BF4 was banned

[@killatubby]

EA wants to sell the game in china and well China maybe no being good guy means no sales or at least not worth the risk of not selling

[@Marylandbrony]

If i were to make a Battlefield 2242 i would have China as a part of the human good guys and have weapons inspired by their future designs. But avoid all references to current Chinese politics or leaders. Just keep using their current flag within what ever united earth government is in the universe. Besides the time difference beteen now and 2242 is the same as now and 1800.

[@TheArklyte]

China actually loves to see Russia as bad guy. Especially if someone would call whole of Siberia chinese:D

[@kolinmartz]

Yeah I really hate this. It causes compromise that really ruins the game.

[@arkantos-arkantos6092]

Honestly it’s an interesting and unique idea despite its flaws. The story is taking a backseat considering that multiplayer is the primary focus of the game.

[@strider117aldo9]

Narrative will still be intertwined in MP, tho. Read the news.

[@Kastrenzo74]

Its relevant to the multiplayer if you can't tell friend from foe because the same edgelord spetsnaz mercenary guy is available to both teams, and even more so if there's no descernable way to tell team A from B, like color schemes or skins etc. I can get over battlefield turning into a hero shooter, even it it's a stupid fucking idea. but if we have to rely on the spotting dorito to tell friend from foe, I wont buy it.

[@InFamou5Killer]

I really want an explanation on how Germany (and assuming other European) countries collapse. In real life climate change would destroy Africa and the middle east before causing a massive collapse in Europe with historically stable countries & wealthy.

[@noobplays-saslow2920]

Literally, by 2042 it is most likely Europe will be a single nation, and something such as a resource and climate crisis would only give more reason for a unified Europe.

[@shangothunder1055]

That's not true at all plus Germany was just a single example they didn't touch on the rest of the world.

[@jimdonelly7262]

It’s a plausible future outcome that the European Union is disbanded. Great Britain, one of the architects of the EU has already existed the Union. There is growing Nationalist political movements in many EU members with Poland and Hungary being standout examples. With environmental collapse in parts of the world there would follow a a process of economic collapse that would impact raw material and commodity markets for manufactured goods combined with contracting foreign consumer markets for German and other EU countries exports. An economic depression would fuel isolationist and nationalist political movements that could culminate in series of EU members undertaken their own “Brexit”.

[@InFamou5Killer]

@@jimdonelly7262 all of that being true, i dont find it likely that Germany would "collapse". They are a developed country and while they would struggle i doubt they would collapse like developing countries in the middle east and Africa

[@LordAngrylettuce]

@@InFamou5Killer especially when you consider germanys history, that country has been trough a ton of shit and it still existst

[@TheSimon253]

What turns me off to the story is that the EU is written out of the lore in one sentence which makes little sense. Germany is only a part of the EU and the EU could go on without it. But in real life Germany is stable and would not be that hit by rising sea levels so why would it just dispand? Where is China? Where is India? Where is Japan, Korea, UK? Are all of these dispanded as well? Even if the EU no longer exists did all EU countries also dissappear? Honestly get the feeling that the story was written by some out of touch 50 year old whom longed back to simpler times with the cold War. But the fact is that we don't live on that era. Argues could be made that both the US and Russia are declining in importance while China and the EU are rising, it would honestly be more likely that the US dispanded into North and south again than Germany dispanding and taking down all of the EU. We might not yet know all the lore and maybe it fixes things once we do but so far it seems like really sloppy writing.

[@meruthesuccubus3416]

Yeah the government must not be around I always found the one map in Korea strange like don't they get a say that there is a war being fought in there territory

[@Shatterwings060]

With over 1 billion people in your group with various levels of knowledge and armament; you would think that no one will be able to match them on the fields. But sure no pats has no option but to choose sides its not like they're the biggest army on the planet and anyone who'll challenge them would of been named a new super power. Yep I totally get it and see it happening...

[@mxn1948]

they're a bunch of anarchists and individual camps of refugees and mercenaries though. such a large group from all over with different cultures and background, there no way they stay together as one coherent group, simply not possible. million man army heading to Europe would be a massive threat, but like there are millions of refugees going to europe but they arent considered a massive military threat(more of a political problem). those peoples are hungry, not well armed or armed at all and do not have a leadership structure. this is what the nopats are, refugees.

[@Ratman1029]

"...takes place in a different timeline from the one in which the European Union and the Pan-Asian Coalition are fighting to escape the new ice age." And like that you've lost me.

[@lazwardazure716]

Battlefield 2142. Yeah things got strange to say the least

[@m1a1abramstank49]

No-pat just sounds like some crappy camouflage pattern…

[@barssardikmen907]

The problem is that 21 years is just too little for such an environmental, social and tehnological collapse. I would be up for the bigger states (like USA, Russia, China, India, EU, Brazil, etc.) to be fighting against each other with their domestic equipment through proxies or directly. Bonus points if these powers are fighting asymmetrically. That would have been a way more fun game. A game that relies on your adaptability and operability in different tactics as an individual soldier.

[@giahuynguyenkim6389]

You can't predict the future correctly, so kudos for their imaginative brain

[@jonmcinnis1645]

Now only 20 More years to go till 2042

[@robirvine6970]

I'll take "what is ww2 for $200" Alex.

[@Cuckler]

Such a waste. I was hoping to see more nations, and that we'd get to fight as the German military, British military, etc, and use their vehicles. This seems like an excuse to have overwatch characters as the classes.

[@doomguy.23frommars60]

Well we do get more "nations" but there all destroyed woops

[@shangothunder1055]

You guys should cover the Battlefield 2142 World Lore. The Second Ice Age Cometh. Rise of the EU, AU, AND PAC!

[@Excalibur01]

Sounds like the No-pats are like the Flag Smashers in Falcon and Winter Soldier...which also makes no sense

[@H240909]

Why?

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

Or perhaps A World With No Boundaries from Ace Combat Zero, which undoubtedly had a better aesthetic lol

[@Excalibur01]

@@tlshortyshorty5810 Ace Combat has a very interesting made up world

[@Excalibur01]

@@H240909 The concept of displaced people but somehow also organized makes no sense. Are they nomads? But if they are, where are they based? What is their infrastructure like? Is there a leadership? A home base? A better explanation on the why vs the concept

[@H240909]

@@Excalibur01 Which are we talking about? The Flag Smashers or the game?

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Imagine if military in 2142 is similar to battlefield 2042 what people thought that we'll be living in mars by 2010 in 1920

[@JointedSpagel]

I wouldn't go that far. The leaps we've made since ww1 to now are tremendous. But they would be a lot less than what BF 2142 showed

[@Viguier89]

Russia a world power in 2042? Russia nowadays has ~140 million peoples, that's France and Germany combined, with a GDP per capita way lower (but not that bad either.) The idea of the EU collapsing is actually quite boring too. And playing refugees to kill other refugees does not really seems to be interesting.

[@92HazelMocha]

I like the nopat concept, at least for its originality. However I do think you’re right; they missed an opportunity with the EU and also with China. A four way conflict further complicated by refugee proxy factions would have been both insanely chaotic and infinitely interesting.

[@amiscellaneoushuman3516]

I agree, a more believable portrayal would be to have Russia as a lesser power acting as a rogue state by utilising sharp power and unrestricted warfare strategies to undermine the Western nations and increase its influence (which is after all what they are currently doing IRL).

[@LtCWest]

@@92HazelMocha Problem is that China is currently a hot topic that no gaming company wants to touch even with a yard stick as it might result in them getting banned from selling their stuff there, and its currently the 2nd ord 3rd largest market for video games...

[@DOSFS]

Russia has some advantage in a world effect by Global warming thought. If the world temperture is rising then large part of the Russia land will be come arable and be able to support large population of say... some millions of refugees or something like that. Maybe some No-Pats are accept into Russia to settle new land as their new home, and/or force to fight for Russia to have a chance to get those land.

[@Viguier89]

@@DOSFS Russia would still stay an important nation, but clearly not able to compete with the US or the EU.

[@ethangartin4865]

I kind of liked the concept of two dying super powers struggling for the right to survive in a changing world

[@twisted_fo0l]

even better idea: the old world is in collapse. this is a minor war between two dying, old enemies while the new superpowers look on in concerned amusement.

[@ethangartin4865]

@@twisted_fo0l that is also a very good idea

[@caiseric]

more like two dying super powers fighting eachother in a dying or already dead world. a futile war.

[@SmCxDramatik]

After sitting and thinking about it... the "No-Pats" thing sounds like a mechanic or whatever the devs came up with for the players. Like we the players are the No-Pats obviously but its serves as a base for us to personalize our soldier and to potentially represent where we're from and things of sort. So a player from the UK is fighting for Russia but they're soldier has the union jack on their uniform and looks like a near futuristic SAS commando.

[@FlushedNoob]

This is what they should have done. Allowed the player to make their own No-Pat soldier

[@sebastianrosa7935]

The US and Russia... I guess China died offscreen. (And yeah, it's probably because EA doesn't want to lose all that sweet Yuan, I know that.)

[@mxn1948]

@XTRA V1CI0US surly the us and russia would be supporting one fraction or the other in that civil war then

[@jonasa7296]

also because In the battlefield timeline China loss the war of 2020

[@sebastianrosa7935]

@@jonasa7296 That I did not know.

[@mxn1948]

@@sebastianrosa7935 they lost in the multiplayer "story" of battlefield 4 (because of course they lost, it's a american game). but still doesnt help the story make any sense, given that russia loses it even more than china did in the story

[@chaosfire321]

I'm almost positive No-Pats were thrown together as a way to explain their implementation of Specialists. We could've had boring but sensible US and Russian Army soldiers but nooooo. That moment when corporate greed actually weakens the worldbuilding. >:/

[@quincy3367]

Capitalism :(

[@PLPEberronguy]

The conclusion me and a bunch of my friends have drawn is that they made this timeline so that the No-Pats can do all of the shooting. Can't potentially offend any nation if no nations are involved in this shooting war. It also lets them set maps wherever they feel like without story concerns.

[@starship2277]

Technically this is like World War 5 in the Battlefield universe. It makes sense for the U.S. and Russia to not be at full strength after decades of war

[@lemieux-z8933]

Most of them take place in different universes so -_-

[@starship2277]

@@lemieux-z8933 It's never actually been said that they are set in different universes. Most of them have a light enough plot that canon welding is pretty easy too.

[@magic-or-whatever]

​@@lemieux-z8933 Irish is in 2042 so battlefield 4 definitely happened

[@49mozzer]

With how often the world's super powers openly fight each other in Battlefield it's a wonder they haven't resorted to nuclear war yet.

[@meruthesuccubus3416]

Oooh unlike that a post nuclear battlefield game

[@Martyr217]

My take on it, is I'll be getting it about 2>3 years after launch because it will be free and I won't care if it sucks. I've been stung far too much by triple-A studios/titles. Also, the story and timeline make very little sense.

[@snspartan714al2]

On the bright side the time line has little to no effect on the game because there’s no campaign

[@Excalibur01]

At least this video has a story mode. The actual game doesn't

[@onemorescout]

It’s Battlefield we’re talking about, it’s probably for the best

[@HighlyUnlikely_]

No one plays battlefield for the story

[@ZontarDow]

Kids these days didn't play Bad Company and don't remember that there was a time where the story alone was reason enough to buy a Battlefield game.

[@illyrian44]

@@ZontarDow Bad company was a bad imitation of COD made for COD kids. It's funny that you say kids today because people who played bad company were the kids who came over from cod, while original battlefield fans felt betrayed. One thing that turns me off from this among many others is that you gonna pay full price AAA game for a multiplayer only game from EA. Which means more season passes, more awful microtransactions and the awful Overwatch fortnitey hero characters. Anyways we're both on the same boat.

[@Excalibur01]

@@illyrian44 Bad Company had a lot of parody humor that COD never did. I miss it

[@ulisesguzman8574]

"This is the biggest boxing match whatever its called" Well, we've got... *checks list*... jake paul vs Floyd Mayweather. T'is a sad time for boxing

[@giu6525]

Curious how in every fictional future scenario the EU and China always collapse, while the US and Russia somehow manage to stay alive. Also if 2142 is still canon it does brack the lore a bit, since in that game the EU is a major superpower

[@pissyourselfandshitncoom2172]

2142 was based on an outdated timeline, before irl events such as the 2008 financial crisis, the current economic crisis, & 'Great Reset' happened. It was made in a time when the EU was more optimistic about its position in the world. Since then a lot has changed, and the 2042 timeline is the correct one, revised to reflect the trajectory of current events.

[@123FireSnake]

The kessler syndrom is about the most realistic part my dude :D

[@ktown0173]

Seems like the whole “nopat” thing was just created to justify having the same hero characters on both teams

[@beflyaudio]

On the other hand i feel like the way No-Pats are so all over the place and every cell wants something different, yet they all try to rally over a hashtag and a few core ideas just to keep it together is a good representation of what would happen if large quantities of people decided to go rogue. "Fighting not for a flag but for a future" is as much of a rallying tool catch phrase as any other and usually phrases like that bend its meaning in favor of effectiveness of evoking an emotional response. And the proxy wars also feel to me pretty plausible, because if you are such a big group of outcasts you would love ot have someone pay all your expenses, and there are people who gladly inlist in wars that have nothing to do with their country or their ideology just because they enjoy working as mercenaries and they are skilled in that craft, happens all the time. It would be also very much plausible that the meaning of what it means to be a no-pat would be thrown around so much not just because of their members fracturing, but also from governments wanting to bend the narrative, bend what i means to be No-Pat to slowly make people like them again. And besides, every single rogue militia group that ever formed, from middle ages to modernity was formed from hate for the government and resentment of the flag, only to then form their own state and become a new government, immediately contradicting themselves. The debris storm destroying more than half might be just a little too much, but i would believe a half destruction, because each broken satellite creates even more debris that fly not just in the direction of impact, but also in every single direction ever, and with no air friction they are moving as fast or even sometimes faster that a bullet, its a very dangerous chain reaction and its already happening by the way! There were some political scandals centered around rocket test fires generating sattelite debris storms. But as you said the narrative falls apart alittle because of the giant scale of the catastrophe. Half the size of what it is right now it would be way more believable, in a bigger conflict you would expect even more factions splintering, not just No-Pats.

[@xaina222]

but they do have flag, the lore writers just made it the most millennials flag ever in the form of a twitter hashtag.

[@beflyaudio]

@@xaina222 Yeah, true :D

[@johntorreto4485]

Didn't think I would see a Lore Video this early and BEFORE the game even comes out

[@AntoineSojicYT]

Another problem with this background is the absence of several states: China, Brazil, Japan and/or India. It could have been interesting to add them. And I think that the European Union should also have been kept. But the scenario reminds me of another game, more realistic because it had a deeper background: Frontlines - Fuel of War. In this game the current superpowers have been replaced by powerful alliance to prevent (or at least delay) their collapse: The Western Coalition (EU+US+several states, like India or Japan) and the Red Star Alliance (Russia+China+Central Asia States).

[@fallout44454]

Sigh, so... no EU faction then. Fuck.

[@starfox6574]

I also hoped that one could finally fight on the side of the EU. The only game that did that was Battlefield 2 I think

[@Th3Nigma]

@@starfox6574 Battlefield 2142 also did it.

[@davidrossi5096]

Thank you for your service, fellow veterans of the Cold War of 2142!

[@Blackrew]

The "no pat" concept is silly, and I'm just going to imagine it as the American military vs. the Russian military when I play the actual game lol

[@matthewnash4953]

It kinda makes sense for the No-pats to join either the US side or the Russian side. I feel like if a major super power didn't give them this offer, then bands of them would form and multiple weak states would be created, roving bandit groups would probably form taking advantage of the unstable state of these states. Some of these states would probably also go to war with each other in an attempt for more resources and land/living space. By taking up this offer they get the backing of a major superpower and actual unity.

[@j-mlion3424]

Great work and video essay! All of your points were constructed thoughtfully!

[@quindoyle5224]

I kinda hope they’ll have some more nations, it feels like it’s always the U.S and Russia going at it. It’s just more interesting to mix it up.

[@shangothunder1055]

According to the lore just about every other nation on Earth has collapsed/failed including Western Europe with the exception of the USA & RUSSIA........🤮

[@demiRaziel]

The refugee polemic in the shape of the No Pats can be a very interesting story element if developed properly. Unfortunately the extent of creativity of these devs only goes as far as saying those refugees exist in this world.

[@xoferwalken]

around 7:00 - I'm actually okay with the ambiguity and confusion surrounding the situation of the No-Pats because it reminds me of the various theories surrounding who the Sea Peoples were. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the No-Pats were partly inspired by them or if the Bronze Age collapse had any sort of influence on the story.

[@MistahFox]

Everybody gangsta in a proxy war till they realize one side has Abrams and Bradleys and the other side has T90s and BMPs....

[@wickedgymdudes1147]

I think they made the no pats to push skins and over the top customisations. Because of the rag tag type group that they seem it would be plausible that they would not have a uniform and rather dress with more individuality

[@Notafed123]

The noPats would have been an interesting 4th faction but since EA wanted to not have China be the main antagonist and most likely miss out on that sweet CCP yuan we get this watered down uninspired tragedy of a storyline that makes less sense the longer you think on it.

[@Notafed123]

@XTRA V1CI0US exactly my point. That would’ve been preferable and us gotten a better game than what I’m convinced this is going to turn out to be.

[@Notafed123]

@XTRA V1CI0US it’s true only time will tell.

[@eugenlovin6788]

What company would ever do that? Companies have one job One Making as much money as possible Cutting off one of the most important markets...and for what?

[@Notafed123]

@@eugenlovin6788 they themselves did it with BF4, 3, and 2. It’s not impossible for them to make a good product that everyone can enjoy.

[@definitelynotthefbi4412]

@@Notafed123 Lol you including “everyone can enjoy” just totally refuted what you said. If they made China the baddies the Chinese wouldn’t be able to play. That’s not “everyone”.

[@peezyorpj]

What’s the background music throughout the whole video?

[@vgmaster9]

He just says "track here" and "artist" for some odd reason.

[@trekkienzl2862]

4 possible ideas for new Battlefield games: * *Battlefield America 1862:* Set during the American Civil War where the player could chose to play Union 🇺🇸 forces and follow the story of the real life events, battles and people in the Civil War or play a Confederate forces campaign where they could explore an alternate history where the Confederacy successfully secedes from the Union. It would also allow players to try out weapons such as the Gatling Gun or Leaver Action rifle. * *Battlefield 1945 🇪🇺:* Based on Winston Churchill's 🇬🇧 proposed Operation Unthinkable in which Commonwealth 🇬🇧🇳🇿🇦🇺🇮🇳, US 🇺🇸, French 🇫🇷 and Re-mobilized German 🇩🇪 forces attack the Soviet Union immediately after WW2 in Europe. * *Battlefield 79 🇪🇺:* Set in the late 1970s & 80s and based on the Soviet war plan '7 Days to the River Rhine' in which the Soviets launch a surprise invasion of Western Europe * *Battlefield 2062 🇺🇸:* Set 20 years after WW3 (BF2042) in which the United States descends into a 2nd Civil War. This would allow players to better experience the use of near-future American military technology and explore the use of drone/robotic warfare in an American counter-insurgency campaign against armed militias.

[@renaigh]

No-Pats are just a way for the Game to not point fingers and say one nation is better or worse than another. I don't expect a Battlefield game to be any deeper.

[@OddHunter5504]

Why does the No pat thing seem like a place where theyre going to battlefield V it?

[@BrowncoatGofAZ]

6:56 plenty of options for the oceangoing groups (this assumption coming from the story trailer). For water, it can be as simple as large-scale desalination. For food, you can have oceanic farming or have dedicated farm boats.

[@DOSFS]

It actually might worked if DICE can provide more informations in the future. The world that old systems start to broke down and remaining powers fight each others with their last leg while new power arose in the middle, can be awesome. No-Pats for what we knew kinda a mess for now, but what if they are just overall name given by Old powers called of groups of new nations that rose from the ash of the old worlds? New groups that still young and divided with new ideologies, some might want to band together as one new power while other might ready to fight for US or Russia to have their support for their new nations. Those can be intereating. As they can be the one who survive and form New EU and PAC in 2142

[@aps1138]

"oh yeah, we have no idea how those No-Pats got their hands on F35 JTF and our new abrams tanks" Litterely in the Ukraine "oh yeah, we have no idea how those rebels got their hands on SA15 and our T72 B3 tanks"

[@Exarian]

The no-pats seems like a way to avoid the reality of civil wars usually involving large portions of different countries just shattering into a thousand little pieces with complicated alliances and motivations. It'd be cool if you could have a game like this where the "clans" worked a lot like they do in Warframe, where they can become a formal player-generated faction. Hell, let them have different goals. One faction can have a goal of maintaining an autonomous zone where they experiment in horizontal government, another faction's goal might be expansion and elimination of rival ideologies, another might be to secure a foothold for the previous government to re-assert itself in the region, while a fourth one might be devoted to sabotaging infrastructure in remote parts of government-controlled territory in order to destabilize a government-controlled region. a lot of americans hear "civil war" and think "like the american civil war" and dismiss it as "it can't happen" instead of something like Syria which just gradually got worse and worse until parts of the country become ungovernable, and then the various factions come in.

[@orioni]

I had so laugh when he said "no-pat tax forces" at 3:47.

[@Desrtc67]

To me I see the hiring of NoPats more as a need for manpower then anything else.

[@Th3Nigma]

This, hopefully they make major modifications to the storyline before release.

[@connorh2215]

That and also should drop the anti government label. Then there is an actual reason they would join up

[@BenersantheBread]

I completely agree with you. No-Pats feel like such an arbitrary addition that makes no sense. 12:23 I do have to disagree with your point there though. No matter how silly, every universe has to be internally consistent in its own reality. I just don't want there to be a part in the story where all the No-Pats decide to ally with USA when all hope seems lost or whatever...

[@ronaldlennier86]

I actually have this pitch for a sci-fi show. Basically it is set in a futuristic version of the solar system (kind of like the expanse in terms of technology) but In a alternate history where the Cold War never ended and the Soviets and the Americans are competing over different planets in the solar system for resources or supporting colonial rebels in respective colonies (or SSRs as I doubt the Soviets would call them colonies) I just think that would be a unique and interesting setting.

[@QuantumAscension1]

Apple TV I think has a show called 'For All Mankind' that kind of explores that idea a little, though it's still set during the Cold War. Basically, the Soviets beat the US to the Moon, and triggers a land-rush for lunar territory between the two super-powers.

[@ronaldlennier86]

@@QuantumAscension1 that sounds interesting

[@TheArklyte]

@@QuantumAscension1 For All Mankind seems to follow reality where both USA and USSR had continued with the direction of Kennedy/Khrushchev politics. So while there be a lot of shouting and arms demonstrations then there were irl, most of it would be bluffs on both sides and the potential for cooperation would also be highest. People forget that Khrushchev was removed by reactionist that disliked him for turning away from Stalin and his crimes. So in FAM USSR would likely go through reformation process before it collapses. So if it'll remains, it'll likely be US ally. So no competition in space until China starts its space programm. Which would happen even later then irl due to China not receiving massive american investmental during late Cold War if the economical conflict with USSR cools down too.

[@QuantumAscension1]

@@TheArklyte True, and irl after the Cold War, Russia and the US ended up cooperating on the ISS and other space ventures anyways, so it makes sense.

[@samstarkweather5172]

In defense of two points: 1) weak nations are more likely to go to war, as they have less to loose, take for instance the Russian and Ottoman Empires in WW1, they had little to loose and needed something to distract their people as they collapsed on the inside. While less dramatic, I think it's more believable. 2) plausible deniability may not be in the traditional sense, but more of a legal loophole. The US and Russians may use non-pats so they can say "yeah, they're ours, but we're not responsible for their actions" similar to how proxy wars are fought: "here's some guns, gear, and training, now complete this objective, we don't care how you do it" but that's my take.

[@BS-vm5bt]

Prefer 2142 since that world sems to be a lot more intresting.

[@Atom-Fire]

2042's story was only made to shoehorn No-Pats in. No-Pats are only there, to sell cosmetics. Can't complain about poorly representing nations, if there are no nations.

[@privateerlarry]

Well that’s certainly interesting

[@underscore_nick1344]

Indeed

[@michaelramon2411]

It's occurred to me... superpowers fielding tons of No-Pat soldiers DOES make sense if the goal is not deniability, but disposability. It's a lot easier to fight endless global wars (of varying scales) if the people dying on your side are not voting citizens, but rather foreign "contractors." Like how Syrian mercenaries ended up fighting in the recent Armenia/Azerbaijan war. I would expect this to be in more regional conflicts than a world war, but it's possible that the No-Pat proxy wars snowballed out of control.

[@WhoHasMySoap]

Please keep the good work going. You guys are amazing and I always look forward to your newest upload :3 I love your style and every single one of your narrators Love from germany

[@Chimera262]

Love hearing y'all rip apart these worlds the lazy game makers keep dumping on us.

[@derekburge5294]

Five bucks say that the end of the game reveals that it was the Belkans all along.

[@HyperlordB]

Five bucks that it all started in the balkans.

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

The Nopat idea is such a classic example of AAA writing. They take a real idea, the certainty of massive displacement of people over the next fifty years and the prospect that people with nothing to lose are likely to organise and employ force, and then flattened it into moronic Faction Wars garbage because there can’t possibly be more than three sides or more than one idea per side.

[@kuroshine]

Also the divisions with in minority and disenfranchised stateless movements does bare some similarities to the No Pat "inconsistent" message

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

You know I'm tired of it why not an EU nation vs another EU nation, Africa nation, or a nation in the middle east or south Asia nation I want to play as them and use some weapon and vehicle they only have even if they have the same thing US or Russia have play another nation is fine some bf player want to drive a t72 again that haven't been seen in game for years Instead of a t-90 that show up again and again in recent game also some nation have unique version of t-72 no wonder people play war thunder and world of tank with all their flaws I get to drive a type 90 an Leclerc in war thunder where the battlefield game where I can drive that

[@BadBabcia]

Thats why we got Armata in New Battlefielda, T-90 become boring sience it was im most of Battlefield games.

[@czechpatriot2230]

Isn't actually T-90 unique version of T-72?

[@lemieux-z8933]

I love hearing these guys speaking straight facts against things I like... Quite calming 👌

[@pendragon0905]

Richard Sharpe : Do you really believe men will fight and die for a rag on a pole?! Major Hogan : You do, Richard. You do.

[@NexAngelus405]

Personally my first impression when reading the premise of BF2042 that the US and Russia were essentially recruiting the NoPats into a Foreign Legion of sorts, like the real life French Foreign Legion with promise of citizenship in their respective countries in exchange for military service. However, if they're just a disorganized group of antigovernmental militants receiving backing from the two powers then I find that far less believable.

[@elanvital9720]

>Europe literally in the process of replacing Cold War legacy vehicles and modernizing their militaries >Literally excluded from the game to pave way for generic US/Russian shit Outstanding move

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

Why does it have to be usa and russia?

[@Phantom-0285]

Not really a big fan of the nopats concept, when I heard about it it just felt like a cheap way to escape censorship if they ever decided to add “more controversial factions/nations”

[@juliandotbutera4171]

It's been two days bro, this man don't miss

[@Krusesensei]

5:52 European ESA Rocket? O.o Thought, the EU ended?

[@auxencefromont1989]

maybe France kept the rockets

[@Krusesensei]

@@auxencefromont1989 AND the EUROPEAN space Agency? Don't know, man

[@somerandomdude7785]

Those rockets are mostly abandoned perhaps...

[@shangothunder1055]

@@somerandomdude7785 Abandoned and preped for launch?🙃

[@somerandomdude7785]

Abandoned before they were even launched.