The World's BIGGEST Gender Debate - Peter Tatchell (4K) | heretics. 91

[@andrewgoldheretics]

Support the show and get on my email list: andrewgoldheretics.com. Here are your timestamps: 0:00 Peter Tatchell Highlights 1:30 Peter Tatchell Sense of Justice 4:15 Criminilised Homosexuality 5:50 Was Peter Tatchell Scared to be Gay? 7:15 The Sexual Apartheid 8:30 The Trans Debate 11:30 Sport Assessment 13:30 Michael Phelps’ Flippers 15:30 Brain Scans of Trans People 17:30 Exorcism Similarities 20:20 Roxy Tickle Insane Case 22:30 Sall Grover & Roxy Tickle 24:30 The Women’s Center 26:30 What is a Woman? 28:30 Debate Over Identity Traits 30:30 Andrew Doyle, James Dreyfus & Gay Men Excluded From Pride 32:30 Taking Civil Rights Struggle Too Far 34:30 Are Trans People Told They’re in Wrong Body 38:15 Why is the T in LGBT? 41:30 Does Peter Think Andrew’s a Transphobe 43:55 Research Should Come FIRST 45:30 Lia Thomas Bathroom Antics 48:30 Women’s Toilets 50:30 Trans Men in Women’s Toilets 54:30 Is Trans Homophobic? 58:55 Why There Are More Trans People Now? 1:01:10 Gay Not Social Contagion, But Trans? 1:02:30 Why No Older Women Transing? 1:04:30 Cultish Aspect 1:06:30 Andrew’s Gender Identity 1:08:30 Fundamental Aspects of Womanhood 1:11:30 Might Peter Be Wrong Because of This? 1:14:30 Something About Miriam (Passing) 1:17:30 LGB not T & Simone de Beauvoir 1:20:20 Australian Precedent 1:23:20 A Hertic Peter Tatchell Admires

[@CatSchrodingers]

Google ' Brain structure changes associated with sexual orientation' and click on nature journal link(it should be first link). It is a study of 2021 that shows that brain structure of gay man is more feminised and closer to female brain structure(and vise versa). The brain stuff and mri scans are closer to the end of study. So next time you can comeback from that brain structure comment.

[@Puppies-z9h]

_Excellent_ work, Andrew.

[@derekb4977]

Get Barry wall on not Peter, also Interview mr menno amazing.

[@nofosho3567]

😊

[@markthompson4567]

trans women at risk in male bathrooms LOL funniest thing i've ever heard

[@strover76]

I'm a woman. I don't identify as a woman, I just am one.....

[@rongike]

they don't understand being, they only understand wanting.

[@adrianharry5336]

Exactly like being human. You can sometimes feel like you don’t fit the mould of normal humans but that doesn’t change that you are still a human

[@joge2468]

Autists often say they feel like aliens trying to understand humans, but I’ve never heard one claim they actually are from another planet.

[@johnfused8281]

I feel like a cat. Meoooiw

[@johnfused8281]

Can I have a dish of milk?

[@LesterBurnham1978]

Tatchell: "I've never seen any overt sexual behaviour at Pride marches". Come the F*** on, mate...

[@tonyhoffman3309]

Just because he claims to not have seen it, does not prove it isn't happening. Just as he claims "women have no problem with trans women in their toilets, while ignoring all the women at LET WOMEN SPEAK events, saying otherwise.. Anyone want to show him the video evidence of BJ's And GS being performed in a kids pool in public at a pride event?

[@lena-Ramone]

😂😂🤣🤣 thats ridiculous isnt it 😂😂😂

[@fld9266]

I’ve seen pictures and video of indecent exposure etc that would get a heterosexual arrested

[@maritaberndt6200]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@paulsspangle]

He was wearing his blindfold at the time... and his nipple tassels... and his leather pants... and his studded dog collar...

[@BreakfastCake77]

I don’t care if Peter’s brothers in dresses are small men, small men are not women

[@ChristineMeyer-hs9rg]

No woman has a shit show in hell of defeating a man in a physical fight regardless of size unless she is taking buckets loads of testosterone and working out and training for years. Even then it's an unlikely win. I've never seen it. What an utterly ridiculous assertion.

[@ransakreject5221]

If I woke up tomorrow and my wife says she’s a man now but would still have sex with me and nothing would change, I wouldn’t give a shit. In my internal life I am a cross between Batman and mad max, In my external life I’m a bald fat middle aged dude. How I see myself is irrelevant to anyone except me. And I do not perform my gender. I’m just a man. So I watch the ufc, teach wrestling, and I like beer and boobies. None of which do I feel obligated to like. I don’t enjoy romantic movies. I like LOTR and the first 20 marvel movies. I wouldn’t hesitate to watch girl movies if I liked them. Trans people are performing gender and they assume that others are. We aren’t, I don’t sit with my legs apart because it looks girly to cross my legs. My balls just make it more comfortable. This whole weird concept of gender and performance is completely alien to me.

[@Mudskippered]

tiny men are not women

[@ransakreject5221]

@@Mudskippered I met Ellen Page at comic con many years ago. Celeb sites say she’s 5’2”. My GF is 5’2” and was far bigger. Ellen is 4’11”. She’s far thinner in person. She looks under 90 lbs. When women become men they do not look like men. They look like a cross between a 10 year old boy and somehow at the same time they look elderly like mister burns from the simpsons. When women become men I think they expect to lol like Chris Hemsworth. Doesn’t work that way. When men become women they look like Rosie ODonnel. A homely lesbian. Anyone considering a change should consider this.

[@OohTarquin]

No man is a woman

[@MidWestCon]

As a gay man, I have nothing in common with this guy. He is an ideologue

[@peteroconnor4672]

That's one word ! And agreed. There are other also accurate words .

[@peznino1]

And you are a gay gay.

[@antihebrew]

You have a lot in common with him. Like your taste in boyz

[@zed5129]

@@antihebrew That is not a "lot" in common. Else that would mean I have a lot in common with every heterosexual man, but I don't. If you're going to be lame and bigoted on the internet, put a little thought into it please.

[@antihebrew]

@@zed5129 K. How did your parents react when you told them they weren't getting grandkids?

[@babsp2360]

It is unacceptable for a man to dictate that men can go into woman’s spaces . Full stop.

[@vonickles5033]

Beautifully said! Thank you for that ❤

[@scotswumin5502]

Absolutely agree.

[@Endwarpowers]

Aligned masculine energy naturally wants to protect the feminine. Aligned masculinity therefore rejects other men trying to play themselves off as women because of the danger inherent to toxic masculinity.

[@jackiebiggs7071]

Exactly. What society is telling women is that we are longer allowed to say no to men.

[@helen9289]

totally agree

[@RichyGuyInTheChair]

Some incredible cognitive dissonance coming from Peter. "Men shouldn't go into women's toilets because a small minority of men will attack women" and then moments later "we shouldn't prevent transwomen going into women's toilet because a small minority of transwomen will attack women". He doesn't even understand his own arguments. It's absolute lunacy.

[@lena-Ramone]

Yes exactly cognitive dissonance !! Bigtime

[@adrianharry5336]

That’s a liberal for you

[@annab704]

💯 it makes no sense

[@GreenWhitePurple]

And he can’t speak for Trans “women” when it comes to justifying “feeling like a woman” but seems to feel entitled to speak for them in every other respect. Very convenient.

[@grieffoundation8451]

And trans activists are advocating self-id. This would not only let anyone at and stage of transition into women’s spaces but also create a norm where ANY man/predator can just walk into a women’s space without anyone batting an eyelid.

[@jamesmotorola6866]

"it never happens", , "other than that, it never happens", , "other than that, it never happens", [repeat]

[@applesandpears9756]

Maria maclallen can't spell her name, has a KZbin channel, and she has tracked a ton of cases where trans identified males have sexually assaulted overtly, and covertly, females.

[@applesandpears9756]

No need to make a blanket ban on religion, Peter....what does a religion have to do with sports' categories? We don't have Muslin 100 meters. What nonsense.

[@applesandpears9756]

Brain structures have been debunked. The most those studies showed was an interest in certain activities....

[@laze4534]

@@applesandpears9756 Not yet.

[@vonickles5033]

Yeah, it all be very vague

[@pointblack808]

The thing that bugs me about the trans movement is that they want everyone to make compromises for them, but they don't want to make any.

[@ddoody100]

They don't even want to fit in...they want special treatment...male ego on female hormones 🙄

[@Beachwavessun]

And also no debate. They just shut it down immediately. Any decent human would listen to opposing views and debate their side and then accept differences but they do not.

[@connor5669]

What compromises do you think trans people should make?

[@pCeLobster]

​@@connor5669 No puberty blockers or any other trans medication or surgery for anyone under 18.

[@John-nv5zy]

​@@connor5669 Accepting reality.

[@RuthIreland-qk4cp]

Tiny cats are not mice. Small men are not women.

[@lo2779]

Lol

[@giovannamoro8564]

Maybe you meant small mice rats are not female .

[@Leckyinx]

Perhaps the both of you meant “mice are not rats small men are not woman” lol

[@michelledavis2604]

What are you babbling about?

[@whatthedeuce47d68]

Small rats are not mice?

[@kermitthefrog2311]

He says “it’s a small minority that are a danger in women’s spaces” . But even just one is still bad when it comes to safeguarding vulnerable people.

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

It's opened the door to predatory and violent men though. Tell him Andrew

[@hayleylongster4698]

He's also absolutely wrong. It's potentially every woman/girl vs. a small minority of men. Therefore it's a lottery as to which women will fall prey to these perves and PDFiles. So--- appease the feefees of this small minority of men at the expense of potentially each and every woman/girl on the planet. Screw 50% of the population-- a few thousand of whom WILL fall prey to these perves/PDFfiles each year-- because some men might feel a bit shit about not being to go into certain rooms that they want to go into. Quite frankly- f*** that noise.

[@kermitthefrog2311]

@@judithmorganjudyteenyup

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

He's ostensibly saying 'women don't matter enough to protect'.

[@kermitthefrog2311]

@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 exactly. And even just ONE experiencing a predator is too many

[@anais-salinger]

He said, "Biological sex is a reality, so is gender identity. They're two different things... Biological women have rights, and trans women have rights. There's space for everyone." If biological sex and gender identity are separate, why place trans women in spaces meant for biological women? It contradicts his own logic.

[@thecreativeguitarlounge]

There's absolutely no logic in this argument.

[@cristina8868]

Schizophrenia is a reality. So is phantom limb syndrome. So is asomatognosia. Btw, they're all real disorders...

[@f.r.etling6226]

“Gender and sex are different!” “So you agree that gender identity is not a reason to allow you into sex segregated spaces”

[@celexample]

Very good observation. He's ignoring the overlap and need for people to dismiss logic in service of a more emotion based solution or in other words men desire to be women and demand everyone to treat them as such, even other women and they want to occupy women only spaces. It's absurd.

[@michelledavis2604]

Because gender identity is biological.

[@reezlaw]

- Thing happens - "It does not happen" - Thing demonstrably happened - "Well ok, it doesn't happen MUCH" A few minutes later - "It does not happen"

[@theStrayKat1980]

Thank you for being you, Andrew. Thank you for standing up to this crap, I'm so sick of not being able to even mention this, ever, at all, under any circumstances, under the threat of abuse. Thank you for being so honest and courageous!

[@oliverbrown8038]

You are able to say the truth, there is no-one with the right to stop you, and if people don't like it, say it even louder. The more we sensor ourselves worse things get

[@TheWorldTeacher]

Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations, caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.

[@EllaGreenn]

​​@@oliverbrown8038True. Also my last 3 comments here got deleted. Nothing bad or unkind, just common sense... so unfortunately louder isn't always an option.

[@oliverbrown8038]

@EllaGreenn happens to me alot with KZbin comments.

[@ChristineMeyer-hs9rg]

Pity he wasn't a little less ignorant of the true ideology and what it means for ra*ped toddlers. Totally triggered and furious.

[@Shlomohamish]

Andrew got very close but just missed the mark. You couldn't ask a trans woman what it feels like to be a woman. But you could ask Tatchell what it feels like to be a man. And his suggesting that wearing pants is an example of male identity is ludicrous. That's social convention. And he let Tatchell get away with saying he identifies as gay, working class, etc. These aren't"identities. Gay is an attraction. Working class is a fact of his life. Anyone who "identifies" as or "feels like" is constructing a state which is not reality. Identifying or feeling like a member of the opposite sex is a pathological delusional state. I don't believe they should be marginalized but I don't think their delusion should be celebrated any more than one's depression or schizophrenia should be celebrated.

[@nonyabisness6306]

to me gender identity always felt a bit like someones favorite color. okay, so you like x y z, how does that rise to the level of identity and not just a quirk of your character?

[@Iamvalcristvalentine]

​@@nonyabisness6306 I want to be taller. That doesn't change the reality of my existence. nor does wearing lifts in my shoes actually make me taller. Wishing it was so, should not entitle me to special treatment, celebration, and cosmetic surgery as a form of "Affirming Care" It is nonsense to say I am 6 foot 4 when I am not, and expecting everyone around me to play along to my personal fantasy of being taller is, at best, a pathetic indulgence to a narcists, and at worst the distortion of reality by the pathologically altruistic to ensure the delusional never have to face the consequences of their delusion. Gender Identity is a nonsense word made up by people who DESPERATELY want to be special and surround themselves with ideologues to ensure their own stupidity cannot ever be comprehended. The entire ideology is about denying reality to break down boundaries, barriers, and the better judgement of the people within it, isolating them from their support and family and grooming them so they can better be prayed upon.

[@DadeMurphie]

They always confuse sexually stereotypical personality traits, preferences and fashion with identity.

[@sonjakrivokapic4422]

Yes. They say - we have gender identity, trans people are not mentally ill. But then they say we need "trans affirming care". Since when does a healthy persons needs medication? Like, I am a woman, an actual woman, an adult human female. I didn't need medication to be one. It's absurd. And I agree. Working class is a class. Gay is sexual orientation. Woman is a word we use to describe a human being that is of a female biological sex. Gay people never said we are gay, we need a medication TO BE gay. Some of them wanted medication not to be gay. Which is at least coherent. It's not good bc being gay is not an ilness, but it was at least coherent. Trans is not. I am trans so give me medication to be trans. It doesn't make any sense at all. At least "the old transsexuals" as Peter called them said they had an ilness. But still they said that ilness made them a woman somehow. A mentally ill man does not a woman make, and vice versa.

[@Iamvalcristvalentine]

I hope you read my comment before youtube deleted it. They really dont like it when you point out how the whole gender identification thing is an effort to groom kids.

[@M00nGlitz]

Like all TRAs, Tatchell completely sidesteps the autogynephilia question. Roxie Tickle is not a man who identifies as a woman. He's a man who gets off on the idea of being a woman.

[@LesterBurnham1978]

Dennis Rader did also. That turned out well...

[@paolom.4646]

He's both.

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

Like ALL so called tw. Yes, even Blaire white.

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

The amount of psychologically unstable humans with all kinds of individual traumas and issues who are using this ideology as a kind of stealthy 'self-soothing treatment' is unreal. Everybody is being let down due to the power and influence wielded by the academics and their counterparts working in fashion and entertainment. The unwell individuals are not being given the help they need with their issues and the rest of society is being dragged into accommodating and adjusting entirely to a radical ideology that has not been through rigorous debate and due process in terms of public conversation and so forth. Everybody on every side is being let down so badly that I'm speechless in trying to articulate the details. There are people out there who genuinely don't understand what I'm talking about. Horrifying...it's coming at me from all angles.

[@Gitn2it]

Now, it's becoming a power trip. They are using lawfare to force acceptance. We need to elect legislators and judges who won't kowtow to these bullies.

[@jeremy2015]

Peter Tatchell: ‘Nobody would choose to be trans because it’s such a unaccepted, negative, discriminatory, oppressed, world for them.’ Also Peter Tatchell: ‘There is an explosion of young people coming out as trans now because it’s so much more accepted.’

[@connor5669]

These are not contradictory. There is an accepting community at the same time that the angriest of people oppose trans people more than ever

[@connor5669]

In the 80s and 90s lots of gay people came out of the closet, but their lives were made difficult by bigots

[@davc1995]

​@connor5669 they are contradictory when hes making the point that no one would choose to be trans. There is an enormous and ubiquitously accepting community waiting for them, which is why so many choose to transition. People absolutely choose to be trans, and quite often choose not to be when it doesnt get them the social status they thought it would. A guy i know transitioned (including hormones) quite literally to get a girl, and said as much. When it didnt work, he went back to being a man and stopped the hormones. I know thats just anecdotal evidence, but if you look into and listen to detransitioners stories you will see this kind of thing does happen. It is **not** uncommon. At all. The idea that no one would ever abuse concessions given to trans people is childish and naive.

[@pamelaglickman1216]

Also he says that nobody would choose, but he also says that trans-identified males "make themselves" into women, which sounds very much like a choice to me. If he were consistent he'd say that they were also born women, just as a different type of "women".

[@fyrmanswanny9140]

So Trans people would feel uncomfortable going into the bathroom of their biological sex? What about biological men and especially women who are uncomfortable? Screw their feelings and safety, right?

[@Bibirallie]

Pretty much!

[@robertmarshall2502]

Now think about how the little boys and girls feel. Oops I tapped into Tatchell's thoughts.

[@patriciamurtagh7998]

Exactly - where's the empathy for women and girls who need women only spaces

[@oliverbrown8038]

@@fyrmanswanny9140 💯

[@shiina29]

I’ve noticed the arguments only work for them. If women feel unsafe or uncomfortable, they’re just bigots.

[@walterstockhecker5579]

I don’t care if people want to transition. I do care that parents want to physically transition a child because the child wants to. I do care that biological men and boys want to compete against biological women and girls. I do care that governments impose rules of language or ‘rights’ for trans individuals and trans athletes that are in conflict with the wishes of the VAST majority of other citizens.

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

You forgot about the part where fettishistic and predatory straight men want to invade women-only spaces and make it impossible to police the 2 most common sex offences that men commit against women - flashing and voyerism.

[@outoforbit00]

Yes it's substituting the exception to the rule for the rule. It's upside down and has a definite satanic flavour which would explain the obsession with forcing children to take on these people's predilictions.

[@steelcowboy2751]

Well said

[@TheWorldTeacher]

human rights: In most cases, it seems that this term refers to certain (often vague) moral or legal entitlements that humans possess in relation to having or obtaining something, or to act in a certain way. This phrase has been used increasing more ubiquitously over the past century or so, with the implication that every human being, without exception, has identical and inalienable entitlements. However, this is a very obvious fallacy, as it invariably ignores the hierarchy of society. For example, very few persons would doubt that parents have the right to discipline their children. However, their children OBVIOUSLY do not have the converse right, to chastize or instruct their parents. Therefore, it is nonsensical to speak of human rights in general, when each and every individual person has unique rights, depending on his or her place in the hierarchy of society. The notion of rights is intimately intertwined with morality (or to be more accurate, the concept of dharma). So, in the above example, it is in accordance with morality/dharma for a parent to disciple his or her children, and if required, administer some form of punishment. However, it would be objectively immoral for a child of any age (even a geriatric) to admonish his or her parents, except, perhaps, if a parent was afflicted with a disease or disability that inhibited the parent’s cognitive capabilities, such as dementia. Cf. “dharma”. According to a criminal organisation called the “United Nations”, there are thirty so-called “human rights”, listed in a document entitled “Universal Declaration of Human Rights”, but objectively speaking, only a couple of the listed articles of “rights” are predicated on the only ONE and ONLY human right, and that is the right for any person (that is any human being or non-human animal) to not be harmed unjustifiably. As is to be expected of a declaration by a bunch of deluded, ignorant fools, there is nowhere in the preamble any semblance of a stated definition of “human rights”. This is practically a universal occurrence in the fields of sociology, law, philosophy, ethics, and even in the so-called hard sciences. Just see the dramatic contrast between almost every academic essay paper and thesis/book ever published, compared with this Book of All Books! In order to be charitable to that evil body, the United Nations, it is probably fortuitous that they failed to proffer a definition of “rights”, since the “definition” that they are likely to have conjured-up in their feeble intellects would be incompetent, if not truly laughable.

[@takiskettlechips9235]

Please also care about women's rights and how they're being ignored for the safety and comfort of trans people

[@LMM-360]

Peter. Just so you know, women don’t need an adjective. The word cis is offensive. Stop using it.

[@lena-Ramone]

Yes its disgusting 🤨

[@amandabartell1502]

I agree, it's vile. Demanding that l label myself as non trans is insane and it's not happening.

[@paulsspangle]

When Tatchell stops calling women "cis" I will stop calling him a c**t. Until then, Peter, you're a c**t.

[@EllaGreenn]

@@LMM-360 While they keep complaining about getting 'mlsgndrd'. We should be fine with it somehow...

[@angelsackson]

It’s so they can eventually take the mantle as woman.

[@steveh3206]

Everybody cares more about how a minority (truly small number) of men "feel" than they care about how the majority of women "feel", let alone the safety of young girls. The patriarchy is alive and well. I didn't really believe in it until this whole "debate" started.

[@KatMoore-ih6mw]

🤯 🔨 (you hit the nail on the head)

[@firebornliger]

It isn't about the actual cause at hand. He and his ilk want to install a minority into a place of tyranny over the majority. Or, what he perceives as the majority. Which is why he got involved in destroying Rhodesia and South Africa.

[@betlamed]

The counterargument here is that only a truly small minority of the general populace really care more about the feelings of trans people than the feelings of women. That minority is extremely vocal and has managed to manipulate the majority and monopolize moralism. (I swear I did not create the alliteration on purpose!)

[@Andythirlwell]

Great debate. Mind-boggling that this man is so determined that women's toilets and changing rooms should be open to all. Absolutely not mate, absolutely not. I am a man and, like 99.99% of men in the world, I am absolutely accepting of myself not being allowed to go into women's toilets based purely on my gender. That's the right thing and it should remain that way.

[@kelleygreengrass]

Thanks for not being a fool

[@claudiugardelli6302]

He's lost. He attended every London Pride event and he never seen sexualize behaviors. Sure buddy I believe you 🤡

[@Lee-wu8lv]

He didn't say that!

[@akaped]

Any man (like Peter) who fights for this should be looked at with suspicion

[@ronferguson9695]

Well said!

[@cecilhoff6169]

Women should not be labeled as bigots for insisting on women only spaces.

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

They're roiling over us, like a giant crunching juggernaut or some other monstrous machine; if we don't get sucked up inside the 'mothership', we get crushed without mercy. They're our only options in this era. And apparently WE'RE the hateful bigots who don't understand tolerance and diversity. Unbelievable.

[@zyloxzylox3374]

The weird part is he accepts women only places. So accept then also that me being a woman I don’t feel comfortable with a biological male having his own „womanhood“. I don’t want them in biological women’s spaces! It’s biological women’s spaces ONLY. It’s not „womanhood’s“ spaces!

[@adamwalker2377]

As long as women stop pushing into male spaces, like law enforcement or government or the military, deal.

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

@@adamwalker2377 Can you tie your own shoelaces?

[@adamwalker2377]

@@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 did lashing out make you feel better? It's easier than engaging the actual argument, and you get to feel like you're doing something!

[@KristineBlankenship-j9o]

So happily accept the men in our bathroom until they’ve committed a crime? Then that one can’t come in again? The feelings of these men are more important than the victim of that crime?

[@shadowbeastie]

The final boss of patriarchy

[@Susanrogers-pt9mf6hx1w]

Welcome to the patriarchy

[@bella151272]

Who is going to police this rule?

[@LisaBeta-42]

If any small minority is to be neglected for the larger group of people - why are the gay guys complaining: they are a small minority too! Whatever you do with other adults behind closed doors, is your private life (as long as it does not take place in the restroom stalls where the small daughters of different families are supposed to be save from predatory adults)

[@greencloud2225]

So trans people have their own identity but then want to invade women’s spaces because they are women. Contradictory. Which is it?

[@parrycross8099]

We do not need any more "research" into the benefits conferred on men by male puberty, anymore than we need more research into whether motorcyclists are more vulnerable than car drivers. We know what a car is, we know that a motorbike is - it is common sense.

[@RedArtistx]

49:55 Peter reveals himself here and makes an illogical argument. Trans women should be allowed to use women's spaces because if they don't, they might get targeted by men......yet when women make EXACTLY the same argument, and say that this is exactly why they don't want transwomen in their space because they are biologically MALE, apparently that is completely invalid and then dismissed. What Peter doesn't want to say out loud is that he thinks it's women's responsibility to look after men who are victimised by other men. Women must do this, even if it's a real detriment to their own safety.

[@SiaD777]

This ☝️☝️☝️

[@KatMoore-ih6mw]

I wish he could read this comment and think about it really hard !

[@pommiebears]

He doesn’t care about women. Why would he? He holds nothing but contempt for us.

[@HAKIMOSANARQUISTAS]

Hes a gaf, he care less to woman than I can care for absorbents , or make up , or caro for jis class of "people"

[@williamford8027]

he like mmany is a zelltot

[@elizabethswords2225]

“It’s not up to us to tell trans women how to feel” says Tatchell. But it is, seemingly, up to him to tell women what they feel about men invading their spaces.

[@user-zz9gn2dc3l]

Invading competitive sport too! That is insane! And my comment here is bound for immediate deletion 😂

[@lewissmith350]

Good point.

[@andrewrobinson2565]

When during the interview did Tatchell "tell women what to feel about men invading their spaces"?

[@andrewrobinson2565]

​@@lewissmith350Did he though? 😊

[@FocusedFighter777]

Yup, they always do that.

[@Puppies-z9h]

The idea is to find the best woman in her sport, not the sufficiently weak man.

[@EinSeattle]

Excellent comment

[@TheMissKizmet]

😂🙌🏼😂 Yes! Bloody well said! 🙏🏼

[@Acemec92]

Well said

[@docrad74]

Perfectly articulated 👊🏻👍🏻

[@Puppies-z9h]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate it.

[@Angelina.d69]

As an Aussie I'm utterly disgusted to call him a fellow Australian

[@jennyforward955]

Yeah, I was pretty upset to hear he originated in Melbourne no less 😢

[@thefourthwritedjentleman3643]

Same here - it’s pathetic

[@kerrya2477]

Ah good old Pete. He wasn't happy about gay people having no rights,but he's fine about women losing theirs. What a guy.

[@mr.mclibtard5015]

*special rights

[@vanessajones9524]

Yes, a man's man... even the blokes in dresses

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

What rights are women losing?

[@fiveromannumerals]

​@@henrikswanstrom9218hum idk you retarded activist. Maybe competing solely against other women in sports? Maybe not losing out on women scholarships to other dudes? Maybe taking a shit in peace in a public toilet without the fear of rape? Just some of the top of my head you literal SJW Saxon retard.

[@NickMan365]

@@henrikswanstrom9218the right to single sex spaces, fairness in sport , to be examined or chaperoned by a female nurse/medic rather than a man in a dress. There’s a few rights there that they are losing.

[@themurrrr]

I’m not sure I have the stomach to listen to this one. But it is good to give people like him a platform where they can not only speak, but MOST IMPORTANTLY: BE CHALLENGED

[@tonyhoffman3309]

Andrew would need to have Magdalen Berns on in order to actually challenge Peter. Unfortunately she has passed.

[@BunScholar]

Sunlight really is the best disinfectant for this type of nonsense.

[@cookiekitty8122]

AND EXPOSED!

[@Lynsy-cw3sl]

@@themurrrr and shown to be totally uneducated, certainly from a scientific perspective on the whole subject. He’s a man that obviously began many moons ago with noble intentions and then has dramatically lost his way and sense of common sense and decency.

[@robertmarshall2502]

​@@tonyhoffman3309RIP She would have absolutely ripped him to shreds. I did thoroughly enjoy Helen Joyce destroy him by listening to him and "Freda" in their "meet the audience" section where they harassed and judged the audience on appearance. Such lovely reasonable, totally not dodgy, fellas.

[@sheenaghgordon-hart24]

Stop calling us women 'cis'. And yes we do know that male advantage is life-long. Just because Peter Tatchell says it's not tells me everything we need to know.

[@DarkAngel2512]

He also called as non-trans. I might start calling transsexuals non-women.😂

[@BonSkirmish1312]

If you refuse the descriptor 'cis' then youre going to have to accept that trans women are just 'women' - you cant have it both ways.

[@Currer.Ellis.Action]

Trans woman are men.... Plain and simple ​@@BonSkirmish1312

[@sheenaghgordon-hart24]

@@BonSkirmish1312 No I don't. Trans women are men. End of..

[@salh-salniated]

@@BonSkirmish1312no because trans women are actually men

[@kiminski_star]

Amazing composure Andrew. I don''t know how you do it.

[@BH-sr1kb]

As a women I really don't appreciate Peter, a man, who has never been a women, telling me what a women is and what rights I should compromise in order to accommodate trans women.

[@johnnunn8688]

You’re a woman, unless there’s more than one of you.

[@PMcK-pc6nc]

Compromise NONE

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

Men telling women what they are. Men destroying young women by telling them they can change sax and life will be better because they really are a mayn..

[@AlixH-s5h]

"woman", you're singular not plural (I'm assuming)

[@johnnunn8688]

@@PMcK-pc6nc correct. If you use any silly pronouns or anything, you just encourage the preverts. (Word changed for YT)

[@NatalieJUK]

he's not even pretending to give a shit about women. ASTONISHING, if you've totally forgotten about that Guardian letter

[@lena-Ramone]

Yes its terrible 😮

[@Downarabbithole276]

What letter? Can you share as I never heard about one.

[@catherinesengupta4699]

Andrew, you are half this man's age, yet you are wiser and more of a critical thinker than he will ever be. Great work.

[@Jonnie-Falafel]

Yet he hadn't done his homework on the decriminalisation of homosexuality in UK. This seems sloppy.

[@arh12368]

Parroting unfounded and nonfactual tropes isnt wise

[@marietandyastronaut2896]

​@arh12368 name something he has said thats nonfactual.

[@MrRailjunkie]

@@marietandyastronaut2896 Trans women are not women, That's nonfactual.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

If only he didn't have his nose up his ass. "WOWWWWW AMAZZZZZING" 🙄🤡

[@paultoseland9524]

I don't know how you can even stomach being in the same room as this person

[@kathyb1011]

Saying "gender identity is real" doesn't make it so. It's like saying any delusion is real. The main issue is they are removing women's rights and mutilating kids based on this delusion.

[@lena-Ramone]

🎯

[@Truthcanbehard]

100% this

[@ChristineMeyer-hs9rg]

True narcissism is action. Only my needs matter and the whole world must screw themselves over to suit me. The joke is that his gay friends don't even support his view. Notice how he's the perpetual victim and we should all cry rivers of tears and roll over for him? When you hang out all night in seedy clubs in seedy areas getting drugged and drunk and showing no respect or regard for yourself you get assaulted. It doesn't matter who you are. What age, what sex, what orientation. You place yourself at risk you get done. It's not rocket science for anybody else except him.

[@mirianhernandez6865]

Absolutely!!! And unfortunately we as women are allowing these freaks to take away all the rights we've fought so hard to obtain over the years!!! It really makes me so angry to see this happening. Most of these trans freaks hate biological women because they know in their heart of hearts that they could never be like us no matter what they do or what they cut off or try to create a hole to simulate a vagina. That hole will never be or feel like a real vagina!!! I truly despise this ideology!! Trans are real women haters.😮

[@Homer62001]

There was a 60 year old dude who dressed like a woman and went to Starbucks almost every day I was there. Seemed like a cry for help more than anything.

[@twigletz7384]

PT is concerned about trans women potentially being attacked in a male toilet space, but couldn't give a crap about the potential for women being attacked when males identifying as women are allowed in women's spaces. You can't have it both ways, Peter.

[@lena-Ramone]

Hypocrite then

[@KarenRobson-t6h]

I spotted how upset he got when the issue of a trans woman using the male facilities. He immediately jumped to they would be attacked or r*ped. He assumes all men have the propensity towards violence unless they are a trans woman in a woman’s facilities then it is okay in which case we must assume they know how to behave. He just blew up his whole argument.

[@kelleygreengrass]

He is so simple he doesn't understand how stupid he is.

[@raelenelombard7961]

That blew my mind too WTF

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Males are the ultimate victim. If only they kept their penis private 🤡

[@littlebird2573]

Holy fucking shit man. Thank you so much for having this guest on. I have been wanting you to have more conversations with people on the opposite side. i know they're hard to retain, as their strategy is to not engage in normal conversations. i see this man on youtube quite a bit, and he is extremely unhinged. so it was super refreshing to have you speak to him.

[@witlesswonderthe2nd883]

This man made a statement that it’s not harmful for young children to engage is sex or sex acts with adults, that one statement tells you all you need to know about his noncery outlook

[@elainepeckham8386]

You're right. Have a look at his opinion on adults raping children ( he just calls it having sex). Nasty.

[@AuntyJack123]

Yes he is unhinged.

[@connor5669]

"to not engage in normal conversations" what do you mean?

[@lornocford6482]

Every time he didn't want to answer the question, he answered a different one. Showed how manipulative he is.

[@woodwest11]

The fact they he’s saying he no one is being rushed is INSANE my cousin (13) within 7 days she came out as trans 2 weeks later went into a gender clinic and 1 therapy session later got on to puberty blockers and now are on hormones and I can see her already starting to regret it but won’t admit it cuz all her friends are doing it to

[@StormCrusher94]

Please try talk to her if you see that she is regretting it. Those things aren't like make up that you can just wash away.

[@woodwest11]

@@StormCrusher94 I’m trying to sneak it in her mom is fucking CRAZY total DEI brainwashed robot

[@GreenWhitePurple]

That’s awful. Is there any way you could link her to any detransitioner groups, if only online? Peers who can support her walking away from this?

[@joge2468]

Maybe it’s different in the UK than America.

[@gisellemagraibhaigh8342]

Don't let her push you away - no matter how crazy, it gets worse when they're isolated

[@sarahraanan]

So much respect for you Andrew; I wouldn’t have lasted 15 seconds without losing my temper

[@janice68329]

I know, right!? I was just chomping at the bit waiting for Andrew's responses. This guy was Hard to listen to

[@paulsspangle]

Ditto!

[@jennyforward955]

Same, I'm yelling here! Omg I'm getting so angry 😡😡😡😡

[@justinmeader]

Honestly, this guy is part of the problem. We wouldn't be here if not for him. I'm gonna pass on this one out of protest. Good on you for interviewing people you disagree with, but he sucks.

[@Currer.Ellis.Action]

I'm struggling to listen to this man. Especially knowing his closeness to PDFiles

[@rossduncan4431]

He definitely sucks ;)

[@FallenRobot]

@@Currer.Ellis.Action I wasn't aware of him, nor this information.

[@sugahoney89]

​@FallenRobot yeah, he is a sicķ@

[@AliCoxMusic]

I’m not sure if you stayed away or will see this comment but can confirm that I just shouted at my phone a moment ago for the first time ever. It’s infuriating. It feels like double speak/think. The comments have made me feel a little better though.

[@DorkSideoftheMoon]

As a 5’6 man, I’ve always felt I “should” be taller, but that doesn’t mean I’m the “wrong height.” And no matter how much I insist I’m actually 6’6, I’m not the same height as someone who is.

[@Picklepower2x]

Peter Tachell has done so much for gay rights, which makes him the most dangerous person to women. He has garnered so much respect, which has given him the power to trample over womens rights in favour of men. He contradicted himself in this conversation compared to other debates I've seen him in.

[@toni6053]

I think you are giving him far more respect than he deserves and actually think he's done a disservice to gay rights with his now infamous Gaurdian letter. As a Lesbian I don't credit him with my fight for equal rights at all.

[@Picklepower2x]

@toni6053 that's fair, I only know his reputation within the mainstream media, for which I think he gets a lot of credit, so people listen to him. I think you are right that in real terms, he is a harmful radical. I stand by him being very dangerous.

[@cinnamonsparkle100]

Precisely. He is not a woman and has no romantic interest in women, so from his perspective, why should he care about us? There are many gay men in my life who are dear to me, and Peter does not represent them, but unfortunately Peter is the sort who always places men's desires above women's rights.

[@nancyg7845]

Oooh i'm not sure i'll be able to sit this through.. I think he's such a w⚓️. I'll try my best though 😅

[@GeorgeSmiley77]

LoL at your use of anchor emoji. I am stealing that idea.

[@nancyg7845]

@@GeorgeSmiley77 😂👍🏻 I saw someone else using it somewhere and thought the same

[@woodwest11]

I recommend watching it it’s so crazy it’s all pseudoscience 😂😂😂 literally 0 evidence to this these people are sick and are suffering to different things

[@Mudskippered]

I made it 7 minutes

[@kenrehill8775]

@@GeorgeSmiley77I invented it.

[@KatMoore-ih6mw]

For the record, as a woman, I have never felt like trans women in the bathroom is acceptable, it has always made me uncomfortable. It has always made me feel unsafe. Enough is enough!!!!

[@Jane-h5x]

Women need and want safe spaces for themselves. Period. Trans "women" are men and should be called "men".

[@MrRailjunkie]

Based on what? certainly not evidence that trans women are a threat to cis women because no such evidence exists.

[@mayberelevant3237]

My library has changed the bathrooms to be open to all so if I need the washroom there I use the disable stall which is fully enclosed and has a door that locks. I am a woman in my sixties and I don’t feel comfortable with this, how do young teenager girls feel about this I can only imagine (I would have been mortified) why can’t there be three washrooms… women,men and anyone ??

[@KatMoore-ih6mw]

@mayberelevant3237 no kidding! All I know is letting any type of man into a woman's space is wrong. I will never stop fighting for our right to our own space!

[@mayberelevant3237]

@@KatMoore-ih6mw Funny enough I was at that library today and as I was going in a man in his thirties ? Was coming out of the communal washroom shouting some gibberish obviously a mental health issue but also scary !! I’m going to contact my city hall about this 🤞

[@discomcmillan4533]

There’s no need for the sensationalist headline. This was a really good conversation and although I disagree with Peter’s ideology (on this subject) I thought he put forward the best possible steel man argument and made some very good points about treating people with compassion and respect. He should be commended for being able to disagree agreeably.

[@LikeTheRoom]

The amount of hypocrisy this guys says within 25 seconds of his original statements is insane.

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

It's about his desires. How dare you 🤡

[@jondrizzle4554]

He is a dangerous dangerous man

[@Bonobo3D]

He's very annoying too.

[@justinbarber4567]

Doing harm in the name of kindness.

[@cathyg7767]

I agree

[@josmclove4426]

Indeed

[@Maggiemay1942]

"Trans women" are not "real women". If they want to set up app dedicated to their own kind then fair play but trying to muscle their way into "real women's" spaces is just not on.

[@lena-Ramone]

🎯

[@cesium7907]

Transwomen are men. Simple as that.

[@pixie3458]

There's no fun to be had that way. The whole point is to get away with it

[@lilsapphire437]

The irony is, they have their own apps, clubs, meetups, spaces etc. Attempts have been made to make separate trans categories for some sports... but there was no interest from trans athletes. Go figure...

[@cesium7907]

@@lilsapphire437 It is about testing boundaries... Narcissism.

[@smallsignals]

Wake up, Peter. I’m a gay man and there were overt sexual acts at almost every bar I went to during my 20s and 30s, and definitely every Mardi Gras I went to.

[@roriemarie2968]

Thank you for speaking up for women, Andrew!

[@281992pdr]

Tatchel has the arrogance to say words to the effect: "I have a gender identity and therefore everyone else must have a gender identity." I don't.

[@robertmarshall2502]

It's funny cos according to the ideology not having a gender identity=agender=non-binary. So according to them they should treat us with special victim status. Everyone is trans apparently.

[@SheridanM-dc1nk]

Tatchell thinks “gender identity” is clothes. He said in a debate “look how I’m dressed, I have a male gender identity”. And they think they’re progressive.

[@sarral2008]

He mixes it up with "being of a certain sex". That is what Andrew wanted to say. Peter wanted to say that there are gender stereotypes and some people feel more comfortable with adhering to a gender stereotype that is typical for the opposite sex. And by the way, even females can wear suits. It does not make them males.

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

Me neither. I suspect that what you have is A PERSONALITY. Like the rest of us. How we're all integrated within our individual Beings, how we each express our natural Selves within the context of living lives as men and women is still JUST A PERSONALITY. You can be any kind of man you want. You can be any kind of woman you want. Non-binary is for awkward, fashion'n'peer group obsessed teenagers. I'm embarrassed to see adults using the term or giving it any kind of intellectual or socio-political heft. Gender identity is just more overprocessing and politicising of solipsism. I'm tired of the deference the entire West gives to American academics and to ttheir goofy entertainment industry (all comprised of underdeveloped thinkers with personality issues).

[@Gitn2it]

Some people are claiming that they have no gender identity whatsoever (they/them). This whole identity issue is running the gamut. We shouldn't be required to affirm and accommodate every new thing that comes along.

[@StillAliveAndKicking_]

Well done Andrew for debating this in an open, polite and reasoned manner, we need more of this. When Tatchell said that a trans man feels like a man, that means nothing to me. I am male, I don’t feel male, I feel like me. The main problem is that this has become a fashion with trans celebrated, and put on a pedestal. People tell us to accept the words of children when they say they are trans, and we must not argue. And yet children are often confused, it is normal when growing up. The Tavistock clinic was shutdown because staff were fast tracking children without adequate checks. Quoting research from past decades is dangerous because trans was not celebrated back then.

[@TheRisky9]

If I said "I feel like a man" what would be my basis of reference? That's the flawed logic.

[@Canthavemybones]

Reminds me of my “I’m an alien” phase. Until I grew up and realized that there was no reason for me to assume my feelings weren’t inherently human and I wasn’t living a unique experience.

[@arh12368]

if you know youre male and see yourself as male. you feel like a male

[@connor5669]

Imagine that you woke up in a female body tomorrow. Would you live your life any differently? Would walk and talk and associate differently?

[@Canthavemybones]

@@connor5669 well the problem with your question is the fact that they’ve already lived as male. So they have experience to compare those feelings. Trans people have no idea what the opposite feels so how can they identify with it?

[@loubieloujones5698]

Andrew you did so well to keep this conversation xalm and constructive. There were quite a few times when i was willing you to push back more because you could drive a coach and horses theough almost everything he said but overall you did a great job. This topic is so contentious and usually ends up in more heat than light and you kept remarkably calm, logical and humble throughout - whuch i definitely could NOT have done!

[@TrudiGilbert]

Andrew isn't "identifying" as a man. He IS a man; that's the whole point!

[@connor5669]

Ugh. Trans women ARE women. It's the same thing

[@suewood8538]

We have no idea what it is like to be the opposite sex and being unhappy in your skin doesn't mean you are in the wrong body, it just means you are unhappy and fancy having a go at being something else. It is ridiculous we don't treat this as a mental illness.

[@pixie3458]

And probably an escape from the expectations that accompany your sex

[@suewood8538]

@@pixie3458 Probably for some young people but the middle aged men deciding they want to be in women's spaces is something else. The fact that some people argue that women shouldn't be able to refuse is pure twisted evil.

[@katieandnick4113]

@@pixie3458yes! I think this is especially true for men, which is why gender identity disorder was always more common in men than in women. Well, until about 15 years ago anyway. My hypothesis is that all humans naturally lean more stereotypically feminine(empathetic, generous, kind, connected, creative), and that under patriarchy, men are forced to deny these aspects of themselves much more than women are. In fact, I believe that most of the traits we associate with masculinity are actually byproducts of the trauma of existing under patriarchy and in civilization as the animals we are. They very kind, compassionate, gentle animals we are. And so the reason men tend to be more masculine is not because males are just inherently masculine, but because patriarchy and civilization are more traumatic for them. Of course, it’s no picnic for women to live under patriarchy and in civilization, but I do think it’s harder for males, largely because females are naturally more resilient.

[@eglezinkute8240]

💯

[@johnfused8281]

Utter nonsense ​@@katieandnick4113

[@chrisb9345]

I hope you discuss Peter's support for the PDF File format

[@G-AHM]

Here here

[@margareturquhart5641]

What? I googled it….but what is the significance?

[@tonyhoffman3309]

He supports the idea that children can consent to sex with adults, and suffer no detrimental effects because of it.

[@joanginsberg9604]

@@tonyhoffman3309 He's proved it time and time again. He gets far too much leniency afforded him.

[@rachaelfarman3729]

He is a sick individual​@@tonyhoffman3309

[@annekeckler8479]

According to research, MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or for violent offending. The group examined were those who committed to surgery, and so were more tightly defined than a population based solely on self-declaration. Peter claims that trans women are less safe in men's spaces (toilets), but doesn't acknowledge that women are at least equally less safe with "trans women" in women's spaces.

[@daisymouse6990]

Unfortunately, I think Peter just has no understanding of the innate sensibilities of women. No man - gay, straight, or trans - can understand the bone-deep, instinctive reaction a female has to a male in certain situations. It's so universal, so inherent regardless of culture, upbringing, or experience, that even female mammals of other species display the same caution. Trans-identified males almost never "pass", despite what they may think - women know, even if they don't say anything. Peter doesn't seem to think the comfort, dignity, and safety of women is as important as the comfort, dignity, and safety of trans-identified males, nor does he seem aware of the ever-increasing list of documented invasions, assaults, and perverted behaviour that have resulted from men taking full advantage of self-identification ideology.

[@jeseljams9956]

Well said. ( sad as it is that you need to be saying it. ) thank you.

[@JoWalters-o3g]

This.

[@tmc7903]

This is so well put. Thank you.

[@maboya364]

Well said....This comment is one of the best things i have seen on the internet in years.

[@kathduguid5844]

One of your best interviews, Andrew. I was much more impressed with Peter than I expected to be.

[@tiffanyrichardson163]

Peter Tatchell never says anything new or interesting. He makes claims and offers unproven anecdotes, and he has no concrete answers to any real questions.

[@kermitthefrog2311]

Yes. He even says we need more scientific research. As in, it has not been proven scientifically to be a thing other than a mental illness.

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

He also ignores the fact that every single one of his arguments has already been defeated, to his face, no less, on other platforms, yet he continues to make these weak, nonsensical points. At least Andrew has gotten him to admit that he couldn't care less about safeguarding women against male abuse. He conceals his indifference to real women slightly better on television.

[@lena-Ramone]

Hes a virtue signaller on this T issue

[@63mckenzie]

Research what Graham Linehan says about him. He's a creep.

[@tammy2755]

💯

[@metatron3942]

Tatchell is fundamentally confused however having him speak and putting him on the spot is always good.

[@ashhhhhhhhhhhhhhh]

Not confused, he knows exactly what he is and what he's advocating for

[@TheWorldTeacher]

Good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

[@trixter2009]

Its a common theme with these types of debates, the person arguing for trans rights always ends up stumbling over their own words and contradicting themselves. Only goes to show how inherintly incorrect they are

[@kvernon2]

Thanks, Andrew, for hanging in there!

[@CatWoodall]

It isn’t up to men to decide they can enter women’s spaces. The reason we have separate spaces is because of the danger posed by men. If any woman is not ok with it, then it’s not ok.

[@lena-Ramone]

EXACTLY 🎯

[@lena-Ramone]

Spot on 🎯👌👍

[@lena-Ramone]

And soooooo many of us do !!

[@tonyhoffman3309]

Soooo many do what?

[@christopherhughes497]

I am a small man and I am much much stronger than the vast majority of women. When I was in my teens I was very athletic and much faster than most women. I am much older and out of shape now, so if we do case by case, should I be allowed to play with women because I am now way past my prime? Lionel Messi is a small man. Many women tower him. Should he play with women? This guy is absolutely clueless

[@terrorists-are-among-us]

Yes you are a victim for not being a powerful male, just violate females and all the gays will celebrate 🤡

[@shadowbeastie]

If trans women say they feel "safe" in womens private areas it means they know they can still dominate them and be "safe" from harm. Fact.

[@emilysimnor]

My 12 year old pre-pubescent son is stronger than me, his 48 year old mum.

[@pommiebears]

My son is 5’8”! Not an overly tall man. Yet, he does Spartan challenges, runs marathons, and plays rugby union against Victoria police in Australia. He’s in the forces. He is INCREDIBLY strong, but not a huge man. My other son is huge, and looks like he could punch through walls….yet, he doesn’t have the stamina to run the marathons my smaller son does. Both are in the forces, both are biological brothers, both very different, but both are EXPONENTIALLY stronger than even a very strong woman. I’m a strong woman, and they throw me around like a rag doll lol.

[@pommiebears]

@@emilysimnor Wait until he’s 18! His strength will astound you. Men are SO MUCH STRONGER than we are. My husband carried a boat engine from one side of our garage to the other. I couldn’t even move it. Men have superpowers compared to us.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

It's so two-faced when he invokes the "not representative" line about detransitioners, given that trans people are "not representative" of the gender they are attempting to emulate. Canada has census stats on this: trans/nonbinary stats were 1 in 300 people... that's 0.33% of the population. By Tatchell's own reasoning, that is definitely a non-representative figure when it comes to defining what gender actually is. Put another way, more than 99% of the population are what one would expect: their biological sex matches their gender, which makes that OVERWHELMINGLY representative of human sex and gender. Classic disregard of stats that don't favor his worldview. In doing so when said stats are within a hair's breadth of 100%, he's engaging in wildly anti-scientific disinformation.

[@lena-Ramone]

Spot on ❤

[@sarral2008]

And he refers to a study whose methodology is flawed.

[@loganmiller4863]

Being nice about things with insane activists has led us to this point.

[@BH-sr1kb]

Agree. He's completely biased and mostly speaks to his own experience to back up his arguments rather than citing actual evidence. Also demonstrates very poor critical thinking skills. Not impressed.

[@mayhu3282]

Besides, there's no credible statistics for detransitioners, since those made by gender clinics are very flawed. As detransitioners themselves tell, if they try to contact the medical teams in charge of their transition, they're often ignored, and most of them just don't contact anyone, because there's huge pressure in that kind of setting to hide those critical voices. So, nobody knows exactly how many people are detransitioning. Also, in those who took puberty blockers and in girls who got lots of testosterone early in life, the physical changes might have been so extreme that even if they don't feel happy with what they're now, detransitioning will be a very hard and impossible road too.

[@j.c.jeggis1818]

Peter: That NEVER happens!! Andrew: Here is demonstrable proof of it happening. Peter: Well, that’s wrong then, they shouldn’t do that. [5 seconds later] Peter: It NEVER happens!! Rinse and repeat for an hour and a half. I don’t know why I ever expect honestly or consistency from gender cultists.

[@Disinterested-jg6pw]

Sane people everywhere: "Here are examples of something happening" Tatchell: "It doesn't happen" Sane people everywhere: "Here are more examples of something happening" Tatchell: "It doesn't happen" Sane people everywhere: "Here are even more examples of something happening" Tatchell: "It might have happened half a time - but it doesn't happen.... Also - I dont care about women wanting to retain their rights"

[@connor5669]

The plural of anecdote is not data. You can't claim trans people are all probably predators because you found two news stories

[@cheechalker8430]

10 years from now, when all this madness is recognized as the social contagion it was, guys like this will deny saying what they said, even though he’s on video saying it. They’ll claim their words were “twisted” or “misconstrued.”

[@tracyaf6084]

Just like his defense of children having sex with adults.

[@kelleygreengrass]

Right, it's pathetic

[@iancoughlan5]

100 per cent. Thousands of children are being ripped apart, and when they come out in years to come, these people will delete their previous comments.

[@spotcatsteve3752]

They are called leftist 😂

[@Rich_TN7419]

It doesn't matter if it's a "small minority", if a policy increases danger to women by even 1%, it should not be put in place. It's that simple.

[@alibrown6268]

Totally agree. I used to think we lived in a democracy where policies were created based on majority agreement

[@c.karnstein3299]

He's saying "well, if only one or two women get attacked..."

[@rosemarybaaw695]

I am not 'cis' anything, whatever that means to some people. I am a woman, a biological women. I choose to be referred to as a women.

[@notreal-duh]

trans people don’t get a say in being called trans so why would you get a say in being called cis?

[@janice68329]

When women gather to talk, we have a very different experience when a man shows up. It changes the dynamic of the conversation. It just does.

[@Livinginlanguage]

And vice versa.

[@peps7721]

And vice versa, as it goes. It becomes a lot less fun.

[@mystifiedmargot1970]

​@@peps7721You must have boring female friends then 😊

[@LS-fe4ob]

@@Livinginlanguagetotally fair point!

[@aaroningl]

Not being trans specific here, but many women tell me that the arrival of a man is welcome when faced with a group of fellow women. Just what I'm told 🤷

[@mariaesalgado3975]

“We don’t know Ritchie’s full history” he says!!! Of course we know he’s been out there bravely telling us his story! But this man chooses not to believe him

[@hayleylongster4698]

He's using the royal 'we' here. HE doesn't know Richie's story because he has been judiciously avoiding watching any and all interviews from detransitioners.

[@filmjazz]

"There shouldn't be blanket bans, there should be individual assessments" is a Trojan Horse that would utterly destroy women's sports. A "blanket ban" is the literal definition of "women's sports." There is no way to talk about "gender identity" without talking about the precise stereotypes women had overcome by the 90s i.e. long hair, dresses, makeup, high heels, etc. as soon as someone tries to step out of that, such as a man saying "I identify as someone who can get pregnant and have a period" the ridiculous charade falls apart. There is no such thing as "gender identity." I could dismantle every one of this guest's weak arguments.

[@cristina8868]

He'd probably interrupt every one of your arguments as he's interrupting Andrew...

[@techs120project]

It's so frustrating to listrn to this hack! What a joy to have participated in real time and challenge his inane statements! My thumbs couldn't keep up with all the time-stamped responses I would like to make. Andrew is making a good effort, but missing a lot of easy ones...

[@filmjazz]

@@techs120project I should add that I think Peter's heart is in the right place and he's a good person, he's just wrong about the trans issue. He's also a gay man, and undoubtedly a hero of gay rights, but he's not likely to care deeply about real women's issues in the way the women on Lia Thomas's swim team have been forced to deal with it.

[@techs120project]

@@filmjazz his experience with 100 or so men presenting as women from the 70's to the 2010's is not representative of what is happening now. He seems oblivious to the current (and nightmarish) state of affairs.

[@robertenger3262]

"There is no way to talk about "gender identity" without talking about the precise stereotypes women had overcome by the 90s i.e. long hair, dresses, makeup, high heels, etc" Exactly. What's worse, Peter argues that identifying as a woman isn't about these stereotypes, but, when Andrew says that he doesn't "identify" as a man, Peter responds with something like "well, yes you do because you dress like a man."

[@ebogar42]

I've never felt like a man or woman. All I know is I have the DNA of a man and sexual organs of a man, and why I'm a man. All that stuff like what I like to wear, or what I like to do doesn't make me a man or woman. It's just called my personality. If men relate to women more or wear dresses, that doesn't make them a woman.

[@Concernedparent0011]

If he came into my sons school, my son will be having a sick day that day. I don’t want my children brainwashed by people like this man who clearly had a traumatic childhood and has unfortunately spent his life fighting for “human rights” what about the children!? Leave them alone and let us parents bring them up with love and guidance!!!!! Stop going after the children! Geez do they ever stop!

[@gisellemagraibhaigh8342]

Friends of the Playground never stop

[@kenrehill8775]

The left always for for the children, they can’t defend themselves.

[@mechminded2207]

If we accept his statement that he is not a nonce, has never knowingly supported a nonce despite several realities of doing so - we can say for certain that his judgement is poor. He is constantly finding himself on the side of people that abuse the young.

[@robertmarshall2502]

His profile seems to rely on being "pro-file". Purely a coincidence.

[@delphoeneevenhuis5199]

Funny that!

[@gisellemagraibhaigh8342]

We don't accept it. He believes his carefully crafted persona is hiding his desire for de-criminalising the criminal... yet it emanates from him in waves like the stink of a skunk: unmistakeable nonsey stink

[@labouraredangerous]

He definitely looks like a nonce

[@raina4732]

He gives off the same creeps as their celebrated gender god John Money… who was a PDF and fetishist.

[@imitationofwoman]

The 'tiny majority' of men who say they are women in prison who are sex offenders, rapists & paedophile is 60% of the trans.identified male population so what is it about THAT specific demographic that we should all be really concerned about? This is what happens when all debate about gender identity is ignored, stifled or denounced as hateful when the concerns are completely valid.

[@bradbarkhouse5618]

I just have to say, this was a fantastic conversation. This is exactly what we need more of, instead of shouting and shaming each other down. A calm, honest conversation of competing ideas. And it was clear you were both actually listening to each other. So rare these days! I think Peter's main problem is assuming that trans people's plight is the same as it was for him and gay people. It's not. And in a few cases, he doesn't appear willing to concede things. But I can respect his composure and willingness to at least debate civilly.

[@beckymcmanus3367]

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

[@lena-Ramone]

Is that orwell?

[@Donsomebody]

Sure is ​@@lena-Ramone

[@AliCoxMusic]

I thought this. It’s double speak/double think. Literally.

[@shadowhaunter]

How he sits there straight faced saying "people are not rushed to transition"... "I've never seen anything overtly sexual at pride".....he refuses to accept anything negative at all

[@willowblossom6056]

cult

[@Gitn2it]

When the group you are defending can never be at fault. That's when you know there's a problem.

[@shadowhaunter]

Totally agree!!!

[@sarahsamson3281]

In the past, the bouncer could demand the man leave the women's bathroom before he offends when someone notices a man (or a man in a dress) follows a woman to the bathroom. Now women and children must wait until he offends. And it will be her word against his. When I was younger, the man was culpable for actually being in the women's bathroom. That could be more easily proved. Now, the bouncer or bar could be sued when asking a man to get out of women's bathroom (depending on the state). In the past there were that kind of guy who liked to follow a woman just to scare her. Now he is welcomed into the bathroom, and they know the woman cannot do anything about it depending where one lives. And there are many assaults by these men. But they are called "women" in the news stories because the journalists have been captured.

[@pixie3458]

Yes and when women are being threatened in a public place such as a bar, they are advised to go into the bathroom for their safety

[@EllaGreenn]

Nowhere to hide... Men used to drill holes in walls or install spy cameras to be able to peep (and get punished when caught). Now they can just walk in. Seeing women uncomfortable turns predators on even more. It's like the wolf dressing up as grandma in little red ridinghood... he doesn't even have to dress up anymore, just say he 'feels' it. Girls have been warned about this behavior for centuries for good reason. Even without the stories, we instinctively know how dangerous this is. But we need to gaslight ourselves to avoid being called a - phobe, no thank you!

[@EllaGreenn]

@@sarahsamson3281 Nowhere to hide... Men used to drill holes in walls or install spy cameras to be able to peep (and get punished when caught). Now they can just walk in. Seeing women uncomfortable turns predators on even more. It's like the wolf dressing up as grandma in little red ridinghood... he doesn't even have to dress up anymore, just say he 'feels' it. Girls have been warned about this behavior for centuries for good reason. Even without the stories, we instinctively know how dangerous this is. But we need to gaslight ourselves to avoid being called a - phobe, no thank you!

[@TheRisky9]

Then there's the misconceptions about sexual assault. The common "pro trans" argument was that if a man really wanted to follow a woman into the bathroom and do her harm, he would just do it. He doesn't have to present as a woman to do that. And that's kind of true. But they forget that there are a lot of forms of sexual assault that DO require significant time to pull off. Voyeurism is the one I use as an example. And voyeurism takes a lot of different forms. I literally just learned this 12 hours ago. Of course, it's easy to recognize peeking into a stall. But it can also come in the form of intimidation. "Here I am, standing next to you, staring, and you can't do anything about it." (Almost like a more perverted version of "I'm not touching you" kid game). There's a fetish that depends on making the other person feel genuinely uncomfortable. There's brushing up against women which causes a sexual arousal, which is significantly easier to do in a crowded women's bathroom.

[@mayhu3282]

Over here in Spain, a few months ago, a woman was with her small daughter in the women's shower room of a gym that had open communal showers. Next to them, a "trans woman", showering naked and in a clear state of arousal. Horrified, the woman got dressed and went to place a claim at the reception office. Only to find out that according to current law, she could herself be sued for discrimination. Apparently, objecting to an er3ction next to you in a woman's shower room in Spain is now illegal, if the organ is attached to a TW, which in Spain, after the new law, is anyone who self IDs as such...

[@fox39forever]

It's about the cringe factor and loss of privacy in having a man enter the privacy of a woman-only public convenience, where we need to be free of the male gaze, as we attend to what we have to and must be allowed to be unwatched my men. Wearing a dress or having your private parts cut off doesn't change that; in fact, it's even creepier than a normal man coming in.

[@Clareffic]

I really wish you would have called Peter out on the term "cisgender". Women are not a subset of their own sex. Also, Blanket ban on any man in Women's sport

[@mystifiedmargot1970]

Did you notice when he was explaining that he was a "gay man ect" he never ONCE called himself a "cis" man? 😊

[@paradiddlemcflam7167]

Real women are a subset of the set of all real women and all pretend women.

[@kierasthoughts2480]

And women’s prisons, shelters, restrooms, change rooms, and online spaces.

[@kenrehill8775]

@@kierasthoughts2480I agree. But you’re ok with male only private clubs like the Graucho Club, right?

[@kierasthoughts2480]

@@kenrehill8775 sorry, I’m Aussie, so I’m not sure what that is. But I do agree that men also need their own spaces.

[@AliCoxMusic]

Notice how every single person Peter knows is a perfect shining example of exactly who he needs them to be?

[@garybowers5724]

As a gay man I do not associate or see any commonality with the TQDMFFSDHNFJSDKFDS++++ people, they are not the same as we don't have the same struggles. To lump us in the same group is outrageous.

[@jvrza373]

Andrew - thank you for addressing the reality. Why do we have to reorder reality to affirm people's mental health issues? My trans-ID loved one was a victim of the social contagion. He's never going to find his way out of this because now he's special and loved for his special-ness.

[@Leon-ty6bw]

- What traits that make those people “woman-like”? - You have to ask them. Oh you mean we have to ask those men to mansplain womanhood?

[@kelleygreengrass]

It's infuriating

[@souxcasa]

Amazingly there are cross cultural female and male traits but these are never the traits these men talk about. They talk about the makeup and hair and clothes

[@sarral2008]

Transplain. :)

[@curiousobserver4525]

The traits are all derived from pornography. It's so obvious and that's why they run out of words after explaining they shop in the women's section and have boobs...

[@hayleylongster4698]

​@@souxcasaThere are also 'male' and 'female' brains in that there are brains that grow in male bodies and brains that grow in female bodies, then end up being identifiable as different on a scan. But of course, that doesn't matter. Womanhood and manhood is all just clothes and makeup and.... giggling ( or not giggling).

[@author4you443]

Tatchell is ignoring the male advantage in sport, from lung & heart size, muscle & ligament strenth, not forgetting Q-Angle (hips to knees ratio) bone density, and the list goes on ..... Men are made differently to women, homestly Peter it's true!

[@KateK1111]

Peter Tatchell belongs to a club of people that make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. The others in it are Anthony Fauci, Jeffrey Epstein, Bill Gates, and Peter Hotez.

[@G-AHM]

Absolutely correct 👍🏻

[@stephfoxwell4620]

David Attenborough?

[@FemaleMatters]

He is worse than that. They knew it was wrong and did it anyway. This man thinks it's perfectly acceptable.

[@FemaleMatters]

​@@stephfoxwell4620say what now? Attenborough?

[@stephfoxwell4620]

@@FemaleMatters People that make your skin creep The liar Attenborough.

[@ryan9742]

“I’ve never heard of a case” “Everyone I met…”

[@skunnered]

"Where are all the older women coming out as trans?" Gotcha! Brilliant point, and he was unable to answer. We all know that this is predominately a male fetish, and young girls are simply swept up in a damaging social contagion. There is going to be so much regret in the coming years. It's heartbreaking.

[@lynncuthbert2307]

This was Berlin before WW11. Go figure. Debauchery is here.

[@longandshort6639]

💯 correct ✅. It’s men getting sexual kicks from pretending for be women - actually, parodies of women. It’s sick.

[@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293]

Brilliant comment. Much agreement. I've been asking this question for YEARS and never gotten any sort of coherent answer with any kind of intellectual integrity.

[@Casseopeia777]

Truth.

[@MrImixon]

Caitlyn Jenner??

[@SoulFlyShogun]

For me gender identity is just a fancy way of describing personality

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Yes two sexes , infinite personalities

[@hayleylongster4698]

Or, it's a way of imbuing yourself with 'personality' when you don't have one of your own.....

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

Or one aspect of personality - fettish.

[@clararob9869]

exactly thats exactly what the online version of gendee identity is. Just your personality, i was a tomboy i would have been a trans man today. Its so dumb

[@SoulFlyShogun]

There was a time when it was just called being a travestite or a cross dresser. Nothing wrong with it (outside of involving or influencing children which is a whole other discussion). But to demand the world recognise you as the opposite sex to your whole genetic make up, it's just not reality and the problem truely surfaces when it comes to sex only spaces and sport

[@nn-db6yy]

If there's no difference in sports why aren't trans men participating in men's sports?

[@markx4106]

Absolutely. If there is no advantage or difference, there should be just as many Trans Men winning in sport as Trans Women ... I am not seeing it.

[@johnnunn8688]

@@markx4106there are never going to be women competing in men's sports, as they know they'll lose, men in women's sports, thats easy for the pervs.

[@davidbaillie6142]

The logical inconsistencies of this conversation are staggering.

[@nspencer7368]

He says he has a male "identity", a gay "identity", a working class background "identity". But none of these things are "identities". They're just facts. So he is able to identify with reality (at least in respect of these three issues), while other people are not. That is Andrew's entire point.

[@tonyhoffman3309]

Peter seems unable to identify with or have empathy for the material reality of the destroyed lives of many children who have been sexually exploited and brainwashed by predatory adults.

[@EllaGreenn]

Also... If a witness sees someone steal something, they can later identity the thief. There's no such thing as self id. Identifiers are seen by others to recognize someone not announced wishes.

[@TheWorldTeacher]

​@@EllaGreenn, Good Girl! 👌 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

[@afuzzycreature8387]

Yes. Identities are discrete flat world views. The hell he has all of those

[@thenonexistinghero]

Dude also cites 'twin' studies. But twins are already relatively rare. There aren't enough 'trans' twins to provide enough data, especially when it comes to identical twins which are far more rare.

[@GeorgeSmiley77]

I would never say that reasonable people shouldn't be invited onto podcasts. But Tatchell is NOT a reasonable person - the reasons for why Men should not be allowed in Women's bathrooms & changing rooms have been explained to him in clear, unambiguous terms by people like the great Helen Joyce (who is a woman!), and yet he continues to pretend not to understand. Except to showcase Tatchell's disingenuous intransigence to the world (as if we don't already know), I see no reason to interview him. BTW, most criticisms that can be made against at Tatchell also apply to James Barr. (edited to remove my opinion of PT's character)

[@KH-aug]

💯

[@toni6053]

👌👏👏👏

[@lena-Ramone]

Its interesting to hear how bonkers they are - or , pathological and virtue signallers

[@jackiebiggs7071]

What really pisses me off is women are being stripped of the right to say no.

[@stephenelliot6875]

"I have been to every single pride parade and I have never seen any overt sexual behavior, never once" Peter completely discredits himself and proves himself a liar with that one statement

[@ycAuntieLala]

Thank you. Cause I have been to pride parades too and he is in fact liar. Even small and unpopular parades bring out the hugely inappropriate behavior (that is all the sudden acceptable in public and around kids).

[@clivespendlove5993]

I don't believe he is a liar. I've met him and I believe he is sincere as well as extremely brave. I also believe his position on much of this is that, because of his own history of fighting for 'gender nonconformists' he prioritises trans people's basic human rights over women's to the extent of failing in the logic of some of his argument.

[@stephenelliot6875]

@@clivespendlove5993 He sounds sincere but what he says is so provably and obviously untrue that if he is not a liar he is self delusional.

[@clivespendlove5993]

@@stephenelliot6875 then please prove it

[@stephenelliot6875]

@@clivespendlove5993 Prove that pride parades have sexual behaviour? Let me first check if the pope is Catholic