The WORST Flash Rhythm Game Ever: DDR V

I'm still floored this exists. I guess I should also mention that I'm entirely aware this is an Alpha, but calling it that is a compliment.
Here's the game if you wanna try it lmao: p.eagate.573.jp/game/eacddr/v... (Must have Konami ID)
Stepmania 5 DDR Themes (Have not tested these but they should work):
DDRA20 Gold: www.axfc.net/u/3984709/ (PW: 995830)
DDRA 2019: drive.google.com/file/d/10NBF...
DDR Charts: zenius-i-vanisher.com/v5.2/si...
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[@CyphersBasement]

It's called DDR V because it's only half as good as DDR X.

[@radanju3]

DDR X? That is a horrible comparison, the Newgrounds amateur DDR flash games from 15 years ago are better than this joke.

[@CyphersBasement]

@@radanju3 It's okay if you don't get the joke.

[@radanju3]

@@CyphersBasement darn it my bad

[@notdon245]

DDR Chair

[@electriczap9615]

at least the charts are unironically better than what ddr x had

[@quaternaryyy]

The timing windows changing during speedups and slowdowns almost makes me think timing is determined by the on-screen pixel distance between the arrow and the receptor 🤔

[@jonathanli31]

So it’s like o2jam lmao

[@Jono997]

Would also explain why there's no note speed adjustment.

[@lemonbread8019]

@@jonathanli31 Just needs freeze note spam and we're good for becoming E.T.

[@VirtuallyUnderstandable]

God the non-stop announcer would make me pressured leading to misses due to nervousness

[@silliness500]

he keeps on saying "Keep heading for that perfect combo!" even when you break the combo

[@Faulheit]

the combo number being so big so high up and above the notes is giving me anxiety

[@CyphersBasement]

I'm with you there. I wasn't even playing, and seeing it so large over the notes was pissing me off. TERRIBLE design. Konami should be ashamed.

[@jasonmartinez5116]

@@CyphersBasement Just be thankful that DDR Grand Prix is way better even though it requires a subscription and e-amusement pass.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

imagine not dropping 3 grand on a cabinet hahahahaha

[@absurddive]

Imagine not living in a big house with a free room for the cab hahahahahahaha

[@404waffles]

imagine not living in a country where arcade cabs are for sale hahahahah

[@Professor_Utonium_]

@@404waffles Now that is the big oof right there. I can't wait for arcades to open back up.

[@YourFatherVEVO]

@@Professor_Utonium_ imagine living in a city where the arcades sold all their ddr/itg cabs and bought fucking coin pushers hahahaha

[@xopher314]

I dropped 10 grand on mine.

[@Manbarrican]

I can already see FFR and Stepmania are gonna suffer when FucKonami decides to establish themselves through that medium.

[@OrangeRight]

DDR V is an alpha, but that shouldn't shield it from constructive criticism. Konami put it out on the internet as an open alpha test, they should be expecting bug reports. It's possible they'll take all of this criticism and use it to make the final version of DDR V a decent browser game. Well, or they'll just drop it like a rock like they did with DDR Dance Wars. Expecting the latter, but I want to be surprised.

[@theriseoftony]

They had 20 years lol their shouldn’t be that much bugd

[@OrangeRight]

I wasn't surprised.

[@SYukimi]

2:38 It reads long press enter to cancel at the bottom in Japanese. On a side note, if this is the what Konami has in mind when we are staying at home, we are better off with Stepmania... BTW, the A20 gold theme is not accessible?

[@SylvainHunter]

Still better than Pump It Up H5

[@geezard3639]

Aleast PIU has a mobile game

[@joseph3720j]

@@geezard3639 and pc version

[@joseph3720j]

@@geezard3639 and also still have the easier judgement than DDR

[@kittykat5090]

@@geezard3639 who the hell would play PIU on mobile?????

[@geezard3639]

@@kittykat5090 plenty people I mean it's not as trash as you would think

[@PennyLapin]

I have been convinced that Konami is doing this with the idea that they want to force themselves into another market. You know that Konami will want to push themselves into the market and throw DMCA's at a bunch of games.

[@PennyLapin]

Additional note: I've just assumed that the "accuracy" isn't based on timing, but on pixels. It just feels like "accuracy" is based on how closely aligned the notes are with the receptors, but even then that's dodgy.

[@MasterAnimit]

They tried it with Osu five years ago. As a result more 200 mapsets were taken down from page - it's only possible to download them from mirrors.

[@fake12396]

regarding the timing getting tighter when the notes get faster, it could be that the windows are tied to the BPM 1st/2nd mix style. might be why they don't allow you to change the multiplier

[@reaxt]

*If you can fix the title, it's a unity game*

[@theriseoftony]

Ddr victory 😂 if they ever made console ver again probably be called ddrR

[@customwebprogram]

Wow! I'm sticking with StepMania

[@zetorux]

Whoa, I'm famous!~ I assume the reason that the notes in Come to Life are weird is because the stops and BPM changes are tied to the timing offset, rather than to beat positions in the chart. I think if you shifted your global offset in the other direction you'd be able to hit the notes before the stop occurs, (but possibly at the cost of the chart being offsync). This is especially funny with Cosy Catastrophe, since if you shift the offset enough you can wind up with 16th notes at 360 BPM #speedy

[@EtienneYT]

That's fair haha. I also did not know that. I may have to experiment with that to see how absurd you can really get with that chart.

[@Cublex]

DDRV is open alpha. I don't know if it's mentioned in the video, but I thought I'd mention it here.

[@CyphersBasement]

It being in Alpha currently explains why you can't fail songs. They really do need to get this in shape, though.

[@Cublex]

@@CyphersBasement If you have suggestions, no matter how common or obvious, put em on Twitter with the hashtag #DDRV. They'll see it.

[@Adam-zv5xz]

konami listening to community hhhhhh on the flip side,it IS alpha so all suggestion and constructive criticism is welcomed.

[@Fresca64_]

@@Adam-zv5xz it's been stated by multiple reliable sources that they really are listening

[@Akita23]

@@Fresca64_ They've pretty much likely stopped listening to any feedback from the American (Or english in general) players after the numerous Death/Coronavirus threats and wishes they received in emails. It was intended for the JP audience and the JP audience is who they're likely going to stick with, especially after that.

[@akosangel1575]

"I don't think "good"s should count into a combo" Clone Hero: *laughs in hitwindow*

[@jl4557]

Why not make another console version for the newer generations? Come on Konami!

[@kawaiiprincess3607]

I would totes want a Nintendo Switch version of DDR. Seriously the only other music base game that comes to mind is Just Dance and personally, their song list just isn't as good as DDR's. Hell I'll settle for ports if they can't make a new DDR.

[@OfficialBurnout]

The V stands for Very bad

[@mijkolsmith]

It's 2020... It's a flash game... What??

[@OrangeRight]

It's actually HTML5

[@mijkolsmith]

@@OrangeRight then etienne should update his title

[@EtienneYT]

@@mijkolsmith Doesn't really flow off the tongue very well if that's the title lmao

[@mijkolsmith]

@@EtienneYT it's your choice in the end, the difference doesn't matter that much either way so no problem

[@co8wei]

@@mijkolsmith This reply might be late but it actually makes a huge difference because it makes Konami look even more incompetent to make a flash game in 2020 when it was going to become defunct at the end of the year. I don't really appreciate the clickbait.

[@xdank710]

Honestly, it's probably a precursor to them adding in a UCS-style edit mode

[@qoyote]

I'm gonna be pissed if I can't play V on DDR V.

[@dancingmaractus]

7:11 at that point you can download simply love, or use the 5.3 default theme. That a20 theme in particular is broken and has not been updated for almost a year now. You know a theme is broken if you press F3, then F6, then 8. It will show all the lua errors in the game. Simply love gives 0. Also the ddr 1080p themes as a whole are more taxing for your stepmania game, and from my understanding are poorly made other then the graphics hearing from other theme makers and stepmania 5.3 developers. That’s just my opinion

[@Akita23]

There are a couple versions of the theme that exist, I've played on an A20 theme on a friend's cabinet that had no issues whatsoever. The theme itself being 1080 means nothing, since you can always adjust settings to improve performance. Stepmania as a whole is coded poorly that if you use a resolution for the game that isn't the same aspect ratio as your monitor, you will have a ton of micro stutters in game unless you pc is beefy as hell. Texture resolution settings need to be set to default, cause force on or force off check for thousands of instances constantly and degrade performance terribly. Simply love does occasionally give LUA errors depending on install, and version, but the public release is usually good. But the point Etienne was making was if you want a **DDR** experience, to download a **DDR** theme, simply love will not provide the same feeling in that context.

[@SheepyChris]

This theme is being frequently updated and maintained: github.com/Inorizushi/DDR-A20-INORI

[@SolmaneUtau]

as a plain theme, it's ok. I might have needed to adjust the resolution or something cuz everything was scrunched up. Also no easy change in theme settings once you use this one

[@euvo_sound]

@@Akita23 Same, simply love isnt as flashy as other ddr themes.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

Damn, dude, posting this on KZbin is going to make DDR twitter make at least fifty times as many sarcastic posts about this game about how the community is ungrateful and getting upset at the criticism! Risky!

[@GreenDeLeBean]

As someone who doesn't play on pad, why is no chord cohesion bad?

[@vStrafe]

NO WAY THAT MY VIDEO RIGHT THERE 1:19

[@JovialEclipse]

Broke: DDR V Woke: Friday Night Funkin'

[@Jono997]

Nah, fnf is better made than this and that's saying something.

[@JovialEclipse]

@@Jono997 No I meant fnf is better than V

[@Jono997]

@@JovialEclipse oh, whoops.

[@Puffle573]

No, it's the opposite.

[@JovialEclipse]

@@Puffle573 This was 2 years ago lol

[@arachnerd4493]

the callback to nekodancer gave me whiplash thank you etienne for reminding me of my small childhood pride of memorising the 280bpm kick drum metronome chart that people used to always put in any room they could to troll people

[@arachnerd4493]

that reminds me, *one special asshole* decided to put a kick drum metronome song, but it was 270bpm so it was a completely different chart

[@theriseoftony]

This looks like a clone of ddr lol. The life bar really bothers me on this one

[@maxmucci3170]

You get the like before the video even ends SOLELY for mentioning BeatX that game deserves the world. I kinda miss exchanging e-mails with the dev

[@sir380]

Hey I have a question for you. So i have a songpack called 00-VANITY in the etterna songs folder (I had to manually place it in there) but it wont show up in game. do you have any suggestions on what I should do?

[@firstmaple8_776]

Check for sub folders

[@senya6095]

Make sure you're on the Dance gamemode when you play. Select it in options.

[@sir380]

@@senya6095 it is it might be the size its pretty big.

[@kodoku_opia]

Cytus II video?

[@ceceliaisme]

Etienne what are your thoughts on the heavily modded gameplay of notitg?

[@PkGam]

It was pretty funny. When I went to try it, I couldn't play it on a pad because when I heard about it, it was too late at night and others were sleeping, lol! So I only tried it on a keyboard. I also limited myself to playing just the really easy stuff so if it saved scores, they wouldn't get in the way of my pad scores (I later found out they don't save, but meh.). Well, I found out that it seemed to play fine for the most part, minus that it definitely should have speed mods and the first freeze note seems to actually freeze the chart's scroll for a bit but the arrows are still moving (So hit normally despite what you see) but all freezes after that work fine as if it just didn't load the animation for it. But I didn't really notice any other major eccentricities besides that and the ultra-wide timing windows. Fast forward two days later when I was able to play it on pad today and hoo boy... When there is more arrows on screen, it stutters so much more, which makes it even harder to read at x1 speed than I expected. I also noticed that the announcer talking actually lowers the volume of the song itself at times. What?... The song is the most important thing to follow. Couldn't' believe the announcer talking so much either. Like I mentioned, I did not notice anything else at first because I was playing on easier difficulties to avoid score overlaps. But when there's more steps playing at higher stuff, it's constant talking. So I wonder if they even tested it on the higher difficulties. That all being said, my guess why they have so few options is because of performance. For instance: You'll notice the background (dancer and stage) is very grainy. Which is more indicative of a pre-made video than 3D rendering. Then there's the thing of a lot of people like Note arrows, but there's more arrows for Note, so instead they may have chosen Rainbow as a sort-of middle ground. I'd also presume speed and turn mods (among many others) weren't implemented for similar reasons since it would have to adjust things accordingly. But still... I'd think they could have just had it load them all beforehand and take a bit longer before the song. Even older flash games are set up to do that. Whatever is causing all it's issues, it is genuinely baffling because DDR is not a super complex game or anything. In fact, even if they were having trouble with development, they could have just used said Stepmania Engine because it's open-source and free for anyone to use for anything. There is even a "Stepmania Micro" for browsers. I'm "hoping" that it's only so bad because it's rushed to give people something to do during Coronavirus times and it'll improve, but since it only seems to be open temporarily, the chances are not good. Guess' we can just send feedback in see how it goes.

[@notdon245]

I don't get it why we only have to use our pads or the small arrow keys that is completely useless in playing this game

[@Not_Gumballer91]

Can you try Overpass? a rhythm game from a new perspective and it's very impressive and interesting to see you talk about it

[@lpcrossover5424]

It's best to take this alpha test seriously for the incoming beta. Just sum up everything that's bad about it so Konami can listen...once they have the audacity to do so. With that in mind, I have high hopes for the game since how they treated Beatmania IIDX Ultimate Mobile.

[@The_Machina]

Holy hell I didn't realize it was this bad lmao

[@eztlimiester1546]

cant download what do i do for ddr a20

[@skullbac654]

Bro I discovered FFR through nekodancer

[@gearsfan6669]

the main DDR I played were the ones on PS2, I got decent before I stopped playing because my discs stopped working

[@t.e.m.4070]

What game is it you are playing at 1:21 ? "Beat X"? Please tell me what this is!!!!!!!

[@zimtheailen1919]

DDR flash game? I’ll definitely play this in class

[@mizu_yt]

Not even flash though, it's unity, and i'm pretty sure ddr stopped being framebased a while ago

[@xkristiyan1886]

Can someone please give me the name of the mobile game?

[@xkristiyan1886]

@Yizzack respect

[@theriseoftony]

Alpha 2 is out now

[@yezzalemkecher1299]

55

[@jasonmartinez5116]

And now officially released as DDR GRAND PRIX

[@YuriNator557]

bro you forgot flash guitar hero

[@Victor_Severo_Oliveira]

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Guitar Flash is so bad that you actually has to play off the beat to have a chance on FCing those absurd charts, it is actually funny to think that I spent so much time on that game :'v

[@SomeNerdFromWhatever]

Flash Flash Revolution 2

[@Lichen8404]

The models and animation look like they're from the original Wii or ps2 later games. But those polygonal models had charm and a place in time

[@LR-1977]

andddd now plus came out, i wanna play so bad

[@kusonariau]

If the announcer isn't annoying enough on cab, here goes ddr V announcer :)), what a nightmare

[@lpcrossover5424]

Drop Out on DDR KONAMIX and EXTRA Mix says “hi”. But I agree.

[@wholetthispersonon]

What does core cohesion mean?

[@Akita23]

Chord Cohesion is when a jump (or in stepmania, a three/four note jump) is all treated as one judgement. So if you have an LR jump, and hit L in the Fantastic window but R in the late Excellent window, you'll still get a Fantastic. Without chord Cohesion, the L would be a fantastic and the R would be the late excellent, you'd be given the judgements based on the individual arrows, not the jump itself.

[@Akita23]

It won't surprise me if Konami doesn't do anything more with this because American players sent Death threats and Coronavirus related threats in emails to konami Multiple times because of the quality of this game. It makes me disappointed at how far the community has dropped. Aaron in Japan states that it was the work of only a few people from konami developing it in their free time at home, and was simply the "version chosen to release" and the rest of the WIPs were scrapped. The management happened to like this over any other WIP Browser version that was happening.

[@DarkCartoon_music]

I really don't understand why some American players are so harsh with their criticism. Obviously the video wasn't too harsh, but people were writing death threats? Over a video game? What happened to our humanity?

[@Akita23]

@@DarkCartoon_music I ask the same questions honestly. This information came straight from AIJ because he had to translate the emails for Konami word for word, so they know the origins of the emails and such. People do this stuff commonly across many things they dislike. Riot's community did the same for league of legends implementing LGBT icons for people. People are awful

[@freelancerage]

maybe the next DDR AC they'll be excluding a US release ... or maybe they'll not include US in the next KAC event

[@fyter2738]

I think you forgot about Dance Element in the Keyboard. DDR V is definitely not the worst Flash rhythm game there is.

[@NekohitaTenko]

F*ck it, FFR is still the king

[@sebastianmitchell4776]

Complimentary "What about Osu!Mania" comment.

[@greentea_vsrg]

Trash

[@user-kg6uj6ji5p]

Trash

[@teh_supar_hackr]

Wait, flash?! Shocked that they of all people would use Flash to make a game in 2020. Flash tends to lag on most systems.

[@DanknDerpyGamer]

Good god, that announcer ... I miss Londell "Taz" Hicks.

[@cubesolver2564]

God, I would rather play my Scratch recreation of DDR (with a DDR 5th Mix style engine) than this. I just hope it doesn’t stay that way.

[@DREADFALCON13]

Why did they show a PS1 DDR Controller as a reference for controller configuration?! Unless they make an adaptor to support a 20 year old controller, it's so weird and teasing as they haven't made a home DDR game in ages...

[@ErrorDDR]

They already demoed the mobile version with pads that have the same layout at JAEPO

[@RobeonMew]

Wouldn't matter. He's playing corner foot

[@antares56]

Being an alpha feels like an alpha, still ooon development, I hope they take videos like these as feedback. Maybe a steam or epic downloadable game instead of an online flash game would fix some FPS drops. Also hope the fix the judgment windows, it felt toooooo easy.

[@j0cky12]

i got a fight stick to work with it tho

[@qoyote]

We know they know Stepmania exists because they sued ITG. What do they think they're doing? I have a pipe dream we'll get an official metal pad out of this, but who am I kidding.

[@Cublex]

We probably will. Remember Ultimate Mobile? Something tells me this is an open alpha for that.

[@Vera_Nova]

@@Cublex I can't remember entirely, but I think I recall something about the last KAC having plastic pads for UM or something

[@PakieVSRG]

it's not flash it's a unity webgl game lol

[@IrushiaFrain]

PIU HTML5 say hi

[@64bitmodels66]

still don't understand this thing's existence when stepmania exists...

[@notpoland3756]

Whats worse this or robeats

[@maxdragonsoul5553]

at least robeats has adjustable scroll speed lol the fact that this is worse than robeats is a genuine insult to rhythm games

[@JustLou08]

I admit it is bad... but for assholes to send death threats to Konami over it is immature and ruins any chance of them ever reaching out to outside of Japan ever again. According to a twitter post by Aaron of Japan, this was only done by a few devs at Konami in their free time at home. They also had multiple WIPs, and the management simply took DDR V as the best one and scrapped the rest. Welp, if people genuinely wanted Konami to go back to its glory days, they can just forget about it. These lunatics apparently want Konami to not change and try to appeal to the fans to bring their image up by sending hatemail to the people who worked on this game in their free time to get feedback and work on it more. I still hate Konami for basically saying "Castlevania games don't sell well anymore", only to make a mobile game out of it after Bloodstained, but come on. If Capcom can have their "redemption arc" why not Konami? Business tactics can change. And if a company thinks it fine to fire a dev because their games don't bring them income, its their choice. If they suffer the consequences, they'll try to win back the customers by doing what they think will do that (ie. fans disliked DMC reboot? Boom. DMC5. Fans adored RE2 remake? Boom. RE3 remake. Except some fans hated it, the cycle goes on.)

[@kawaiiprincess3607]

God that has got to be the crappiest looking Life Bar and Score Bar ever in any DDR game. It just looks like someone whipped it up real quick.

[@brudbrud9137]

Yeah I don't like the fifth iteration of ddr very much either

[@raichutoyou]

Thanks, I hate it. ☹️ If there are two things I hate in DDR it is the announcer and combo counter. Yay.

[@primovictorian]

it's a free alpha not even meant for the competitive American market. it's not very good, but everyone is acting like Konami owes us DDR AC. I'm waiting until the final product before I call anything "abysmal"

[@bbben8871]

Man it just an alpha version

[@SenoZK_53170]

Better than PIU H5

[@trapsinc3017]

So I’ll just stick with stepmania I guess

[@blakespinelli6969]

is flash even relevant in 2020

[@SrTsuki]

It wasn't since like 2014.

[@BIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDS]

*2020

[@blakespinelli6969]

@@BIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDS this is the price i pay by waking up early

[@michaeljosephmercado6522]

DDR 4th MiX, still my No#1 Favorite in all,/Whole DDR arcade GaMeS a Lot,, TogetheR with DDR 3rd miX, i lovE Dance music,, OLdies are goodies,, its true,, & most of all,, i LoVe to DaNce,, 👌👌👌👌

[@BadWallaby]

AND now flash is completely DEAD so? what now? lol

[@MissingReasons]

*robeats*

[@werdwerdus]

konmai best publisher don't @ me

[@zero-gi6gp]

what year do you live in

[@LUNCHMONEY4numbers]

*were

[@jijon805]

would still rather play this than fnf lmao

[@Puffle573]

SAME

[@euvo_sound]

Ill play this instead of fnf lmao

[@HinesJL]

I actually kinda like ddr v

[@Ellie_2810]

Flash flash revolution is better in every way ngl. Tho it isn’t really ddr it’s just flash keyboard stepmania

[@kpcenti]

But this isn't a flash game?💇💇💇

[@vandelvlogs4609]

I mean ALPHA version is a thing. I say really judge the final project. Some points are good. But I think it’s overly critical.

[@Cmmf_]

Dude the marvelous hit window is ridiculously huge. I almost mfc'd Neutrino without any mods. Completely agree that this is a bad game.

[@saveir6601]

Whyyy not just play SM? Lol who needs a browser game when you have a pc anyways...

[@maxninja09]

Pretty hot take especially for an alpha game that especially was going to be released with bugs and errors not found in it's arcade titles. It would be pretty dumb for someone to imagine this game out pacing FFR or SM at any point with just how long development has been taken for those games, give it time and maybe this game can be at the very minimum playable to an audience that may not have the luxury of being able to play on an official arcade machine or even knows how to fully use and set up StepMania.

[@xopher314]

Bro it’s an ALPHA TEST

[@nitrobear]

It's still an early alpha, you shouldn't comment about this since it's not even an stable release lmao

[@EtienneYT]

Calling it an alpha is a compliment. Konami has been churning out mediocrity for years now with DDR and have no incentive to actually make an intuitive and accessible game in the future, especially when outlets like Stepmania 5 exist with it's open-source capabilities during this time where no one can go anywhere.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

A public alpha is literally *the* best time to criticize it so shit can get fixed, what are you on about?

[@4rze.]

woa

[@LUNCHMONEY4numbers]

Because Konami is Konami, and Konami is the fucking worst

[@Gonjona]

You're complaining that an open alpha is rushed lmao

[@primovictorian]

I say, be grateful that we have SOMETHING

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

"How do you know my pile of shit smells? It's not finished coming out"

[@OneEternalAsh_Official]

There’s no merit from this game. Too lazy of a game that KONAMI published.

[@Absolute_LUNA-C]

Does ANYBODY REALIZE it’s in alpha!?

[@wibs0n68]

Or download DDRA and use spicetool ro play

[@jesseidk1069]

The WORST KZbin channel ever: Etienne Ok this is a lie I just really like ddr

[@Jono997]

Let's be honest, not even the most die hard ddr fans can defend this.

[@jesseidk1069]

Jono99 ikr yet I’m trying to download it rn

[@dpoopoop]

Etienne is new hero btd6

[@Fauzan1812]

what a funny way to spell out osu

[@Puffle573]

no

[@omg_kon]

So you are upset because the game is in Alpha? It is very clear this is an early build of the game which is exactly what an Alpha implies. I do not understand why people are so triggered by the game when it can honestly be cleaned up and work much better given time. It already works better then Pump HTML5 and I am sure this is going to be the tool they use for edit support which honestly might not be that bad considering the absolutely atrocious tool America got for DDR X and X2.

[@EtienneYT]

I noted this before, but calling it an Alpha is being generous. This is something you would find with no ratings on the Google Play Store. Konami doesn't care about being intuitive and providing a liberating rhythm game, which is obvious with how DDR is structured to begin with. They just want their target markets to be entertained for the time being e.g. people who play 12's and under. No actual experienced DDR player will ever need to play this given the objectively good alternatives that exist.

[@omg_kon]

Have you ever played an Alpha? Because I have and this is actually very stable and works (with obvious bugs). I have played betas and even fully released games that play much worse than this. And you are saying this to a team that released something early for players because of Covid-19, yet you are bashing the team because they were being generous. That's actually -really- shitty. It really doesn't matter who this is catered towards. Stepmania and other simulators are borderline illegal or flat out are. This is an official way to play a game that is accessible to almost anyone without any grey areas. I think you really need to give this game more time to develop before you make a call out video like this.

[@EtienneYT]

@@omg_kon Oh, stop. They clearly did not try with this whatsoever. By your words, you completely twisted my words by thinking I said that it's bad conceptually that they made something during the pandemic. Where did I say I was bashing them doing this? Calling me shitty for Konami's ineptitude to even make a remotely coherent game for consumers is what's shitty. I genuinely don't think you could provide me legitimately good things about this game. They don't have the talent to make something better than what SM/Etterna can offer, that's just a fact given how one-dimensional DDR is. Even if that's true, I'd rather play anything community-made any day of the week then some subpar stepcharts and music that Konami will spoonfeed me with. Corporations don't care about anyone who isn't a casual player, and it's abhorrently clear given how horrendous most top charts are for DDR. Etterna and Clone Hero do not have a system where there are paid in-game features, as the game is entirely free with no added costs whatsoever. Anything that would even be made would be through a completely separate Patreon page. But the games themselves are completely free (as they should be imo). Is osu illegal, well, that's a bit more probable since there are paid features through their Osu Supporter system in -game. Konami fans seem to be the most hardheaded individuals when it comes to critiquing their games, and will always resort to "oh, well Osu's illegal, Stepmania's illegal, etc", is such a repetitive and not as efficient argument as you think. Frankly, I don't care if it's official, I care if it's fun. You can cheer for Konami all you want. Personally, I love playing DDR when I can, but it's so monotonous and dull at times, that I just have to go to something with more substance to it. There's not really any objectivity to either side regarding the legality of rhythm games because of how blurred the line is, but I'd rather have a game that is simply more fun and liberating, as opposed to a corporation giving me stuff that is objectively worse than I could get from Joe Schmo who knows a thing or two about his game.

[@MinaciousGrace]

"Stepmania and other simulators are borderline illegal or flat out are. " HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and what is your basis for this brilliant argument? just because ddr's official content _can_ be played on an emulator, therefore an emulator with original code, assets, and content must be illegal? by this logic windows is illegal because you _can_ play a pirated game on it fucking moron

[@omg_kon]

@@EtienneYT Look, you are certainly allowed to have your own opinion but you are definitely not understanding where this game is in the Alpha release. The definition of an Alpha release: "Alpha software is software that is not thoroughly tested by the developer before it is released to customers. Alpha software may contain serious errors, and any resulting instability could cause crashes or data loss." That sounds exactly where this game is. And community content is awesome! There is no denying that! Who better to make charts and put songs into simulators than the fans themselves? But for a commercial product, it is so vastly different and more difficult, especially when expanding beyond a single region. I am not bashing what you do for the communities or your videos. I am upset that you are really not understanding where this game is and why it was released in it's current state. Konami had good intentions for this to be released in the state it is in to give players something to do at home since arcades are not an option. I think bashing them for something like that is kind of wrong when many players choose not to play simulators for various reasons - legal or not.