The WORST Marvel Timeline | Marvel RUINS

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[@drakkenmensch]

Ruins is what happens when your superheroes have ONLY their primary powers with NONE of the required secondary powers to make those powers stable or safe to use.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

Yea like having the powers to set yourself on fire but not fire resistance lol

[@mttylerdurden9]

Like wolverine has his claws but doesn't have his healing factor so he doesn't bleed out

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@Albino_Basilisk Reminds me of the Venture Bros, where they had a Human Torch expy who could do that, but without fire resistance AND control over it, so not-Reed had to keep him asleep.

[@Felix.Dragon.]

​@@mttylerdurden9I wouldnt say that having claws is 616 wolverine's "primary ability"

[@drakkenmensch]

@@mttylerdurden9 It'd be worse than that. His adamantium covers his bones ENTIRELY, meaning that his bone marrow cannot generate replacement blood cells for those that die. Someone on youtube made an estimation of how quickly he'd be fucked without a healing factor, and the best estimate is dead in three days from blood poisoning.

[@matthewjarek3026]

You forgot to mention Matt Murdock getting hit in the face with toxic chemicals AND DYING, President X visiting the Mutants, getting drunk, taking his pants off, pointing at his dick and saying “THIS IS WHERE YOU CAME FROM! THIS IS WHERE YOU CAME FROM!”, implying that he’s the reason Mutants exist, Damion Hellstrom’s Mom saying he’s the Messiah, Aurora and Northstar being conjoined twins and Northstar BEING DEAD, Sabertooth and both Bucky’s being fascist cannibals, and the pictures of Namur, Doc Ock, Juggernaut, and Deathlok. Also, it’s implied that Ben Grimm not flying the space ship is the reason that everything in the universe went to shit. Somehow.

[@matthewjarek3026]

@Jay Williams Yes it did. Read the comic. Or look it up online.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

"And it's written by Warren Ellis..." _That's_ not writing. I've seen writing. What he did in there was _pure chaos._

[@juancena3141]

Found you

[@mikesmith145]

Doesn’t he hate super heroes?

[@thedukeofchutney468]

How are you literally EVERYWHERE!

[@juancena3141]

@@thedukeofchutney468 Comic Pop is his hideout it's his batcave it's his fortress of solitude just look at his channel

[@mttylerdurden9]

@@mikesmith145 not really

[@architeuthis3476]

I'm surprised Kitty Pryde got eviscerated phasing through a wall rather than the obvious death for her: phasing in her sleep and plummeting toward the center of the earth

[@pjgreen9912]

That's actually kinda cool

[@architeuthis3476]

@@pjgreen9912 Yeah but apparently not edgy enough

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Low-key a badass way to die, "Woman accidentally goes to the center of the earth in her sleep"

[@PurpleColonel]

That's a creative idea though. I've seen people get stuck in a wall and die before. Therefore the writers likely have as well, so... they could think of it.

[@rosesske2551]

So what happened in that one Batman Beyond episode.

[@bensneb360]

This is the most Garth Ennis book that Garth Ennis never wrote lol

[@sonpanchan]

I get the feeling that Garth Ennis at the least would have made it ridiculous and over the top edge that you can't help at the least find funny in how stupid it is (this is the writer that in Crossed, his most edgy and violent work, had a guy slapping everyone with a horse penis yelling "horsecock!"). Warren Ellis' Ruins is just pure bleakness without anything enjoyable or funny and you just end up hating yourself for having read it.

[@shreyvaghela3963]

All british writers are badass

[@akiraeatsguitarpicks491]

@@shreyvaghela3963 only Alan. Garth is just another dumb Brit

[@bZman]

Ellis and Ennis both have GREAT works they have made, but they both have a VERY dark tendancy. Ennis tends to be more playful with his dark edge in my opinion. The worst one is honestly Millar or Loeb when he thinks hes being edgy. The incest hulk family and blob eating wasp are pretty awful and shown more than just talked about.

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

This comic has so many edges and yet not a single point

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

It's a pizza cutter

[@anthonymarciano6050]

Nice

[@walkingdude8248]

Facts. Best description of this rag I've ever heard.

[@RHR199X]

It’s supposed to be a parody of Marvels, which is the opposite where it’s super optimistic

[@enrajbroin]

@@RHR199X Marvels ultimately ends up not being all that optimistic and not at all super-optimistic to say the least. It kind of ends on a slightly optimistic place, but that's after it's protagonist has basically lost all his beliefs and hope. This is more like a 12 year old's edgelord version of Marvels than an actual proper parody.

[@seand7042]

I swear Ben made a joke about a crazy man who sets himself on fire being the Ghost Rider in a prior episode I didn't know he was serious!

[@elmerortega7553]

It was back in Spider-Man Noir

[@Ducaso]

“Everything is gross and horrible” In so many words, yes.

[@Frenchy_47]

So to put a long story short: In this book everyone has Cancer.

[@spoogtastic]

I took Valkyrie showing up as Him being close to death so he was seeing her coming for his soul. Idk

[@ToonGal12]

Yeeesh. Even Spawn would read this book and say, "Isn't this a little much?"

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

Ultra Vegito would also agree. Yeah that's right even an anti hero who believes he did nothing wrong and only the gods did wrong would have his arrogance cracked horribly at this sight

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Remember kids; Getting Radiation = An absolute living hell…

[@tanyaharmon6739]

Radiation anything is living hell

[@Infinitydev-lh2bo]

There is no middle in comic books. Either you get radiation and become a living god or you get radiation and become a sentient zombie monster who’s every waking moment is agony. Where in real life you’ll get cancer and die. Or live every waking moment in uncomfort and pain but still not as bad as Ruins Hulk.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

@@Infinitydev-lh2bo well I mean, the dude who got hit by a particle accelerator basically was a sentient zombie monster whose every waking moment was agony for like 3 days before he died.

[@tyratooOP]

I know that the original Hulk story is just using pure radiation but tbh it's not always the case. I like what other stories have done to explain how the Hulk came to be and how others are able to basically also become these creatures and not just blobs of incinerated goop. I like when the research is using radiation but it trying to either become or crack the super soldier serum or something along that nature. Or even something more supernatural to that effect. So that the radiation not only does do what it is intended but it mixes with a person's blood and DNA and turns them into these hulking unstoppable beasts. Somewhat not only unlocking the serum in someway but also distorting and changing it into something more.

[@ChristopherZubin]

He was so busy being a miserable Marvels guy he forgot to cure his boneitus

[@tanyaharmon6739]

This is the universe were people like one more day, isn't it? This sounds like something Mark Milliar would write, lol.

[@spheremode3271]

Millar's stories tend to have good and hopeful endings. In fact, pretty much all comics of his that I've read end with the good guys winning in the end. With Ruins, everything sucks and then it ends with the protagonist dying a horrible death for no reason. I know Millar isn't everyone's cup of tea, but Ruins is infinitely more pessimistic and disgusting than the edgiest thing Millar has written IMO. Edit: I guess with the exception of Civil War. But other than that, all comics of his end with the heroes rising to the occasion and overcoming all the pessimism and darkness. Old Man Logan is the perfect example: it's a violent, depressing and dark world. But in the end Logan not only regains his heroism, he also decides to go on a crusade to make everything better.

[@AnarchicArachnid]

@@spheremode3271 Yep, his Buck Rodgers /Flash Gordon send up meets unforgiven Starlight is probably one of the best deconstructions of the old swashbuckling space operas but still goes "hey hey hey just because shits bad doesn't mean it's hopeless"

[@SpedeVesku]

Not enough weird/uncomfortable sex stuff.

[@gedeonnunes5626]

Millar would make it somewhat fun

[@bZman]

@@spheremode3271 Millar wrote Wanted right? No happy ending there. Just a norman osborn style O face while the villain wins.

[@jayrett]

I love how there is *no* link to buy this book. They just straight up said, DONT

[@Night221Shadow]

Marvel Ruins...more like Marvel RUINED. Thank you, I’ll be here all week.

[@tanyaharmon6739]

I actually laughed

[@danieldesario6120]

He’s here all week try the veal lol

[@iangraham1138]

BOOOOO!!!!! nah, your great!.

[@rainman4867]

You are a national treasure my friend😂

[@joeclarke7982]

BOO THIS MAN!!!

[@Jstashado82]

"A Mirror Event, An exact opposite Possibility "..... I'm not sure thats how mirrors work...

[@justinhall754]

"Everything is gross and horrible" most on point review to date

[@zman2836]

I like to imagine when the fantastic four were rebuilding the multiverse after secret wars. They intentionally didn’t bring back the Ruins universe, because it was such a misery fest.

[@DrMadd]

Adding that to my head-canon.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

Did they bring back marvel zombies

[@mr.goblin6039]

“It’s Marvels, but written by an edgy 12 year old” That description is PERFECT. This story is literally just taking away anything great about Marvel and just making it miserable.

[@TheDeadlyBlueWolf]

Yeah that's the point. A what if everything went wrong in a superpowered world. Frank Castle had no plot armor and got shot up trying to be a badass.

[@mr.goblin6039]

@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf I'd be down for something like that if it was more consistent or made some kind of sense even within it's own world. Like, the Dark Multiverse stories are all like that, but they're kind of interesting and the deviation in the story is given time to properly show how and why that happened. Ruins is just two issues of misery porn with changes that make no sense and the ending is just Ellis taking a shit on the reader for buying these. It's just awful and pointless in every way.

[@franciscoOrellana29]

The art is still amazing tho

[@darkshat3077]

That’s what it’s meant to be though. Just a realistic and depressing Marvel timeline

[@crimsonspider8579]

@@mr.goblin6039 well it made sense

[@TheCallofdutyghost]

NOOOOO! NOOO! NO, NO, NO, NO! I was hoping this day would never come. People always say, "This is how Marvel would be if it was realistic." And I always say, "No, no its not. Shut up."

[@tanyaharmon6739]

People really think middle school grade edginess is realistic, huh.

[@officerspider7996]

In a sense yeah it would be, most of it is kinda realistic. The Hulk? Yeah sure he stood in front of a Nuke and became cancer. The Punisher? Some guy decides to fight crime by himself and he gets killed like that. Yeah realistic. Spider-Man getting bit and gets a weird infectious skin disease? Yeah maybe if you squint. Some of it is realistic sure but most of it is dark for the sake of dark like the mutants stuff and Nick Fury being a Nut and kills himself cause yes.

[@thomasarcanine]

I actually used to think that... Then I read Powerless, which was a more tasteful take on "realistic Marvel" than the putrid mess of Ruins...

[@TheDeadlyBlueWolf]

@@thomasarcanine A sitcom is better? K bud.

[@thomasarcanine]

@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf try researching it first, bud... or do I have to do it for you???

[@toob46]

The episode was worth it for that Sal and Ben high school story at the end.

[@JohnClark-tt2bl]

I disagree on the whole written by an edgy 12 year old thing. It feels to me like it was written by an old man who hates super heroes and thinks they're completely ridiculous. Just bitter and mean spirited. ... Warren Ellis.....ohhhhhh .... Yeah that makes sense.

[@comicpop]

No, that's The Boys.

[@JohnClark-tt2bl]

@@comicpop lol fair enough.😄

[@livootherworld5756]

​@@comicpop I was going to say Garth Ennis.

[@bZman]

@@comicpop The Boys has SOME hope in it and innocent characters. Hughie goes through shit and comes out with PTSD but is still a good man at the end despite the circles of hell he had to walk to get there

[@gettingartsywithalobster1949]

Oh boy you know it's gonna be good when the thumbnail looks like the book drained the happiness from the couch ( but what's with the 5 say old comments?? )

[@comicpop]

Patreon

[@thetrin]

I remember reading Marvel Ruins and just wondering "Why does this exist?" It's just needlessly mean-spirited, while being totally aimless. What a total waste of everyone's time.

[@supernerd5781]

Like why end it on "Spider-man's a dickhead who died" and then immediately having Sheldon die?

[@changvasejarik62]

There is something unintentionally worthwhile in ruins, if you see it as a cosmic horror story. Things like shin megami tensei and the twilight zone make hints at forces stronger than God screwing up a working universe making good things bad, bad things worse and erasing people who were meant to be a part of the world. A part of me would be happy to see marvel retcon ruins into a “whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?” Style cosmic horror story. Like the beyonder is screwing with the universe like he’s mad Jim jaspers or Kid nastyman. Then we see the beyonder looks like warren Ellis. But it’s probably for the best it be forgotten.

[@allisonleiva9973]

Honestly I think ruins was just to show that the marvels in another universe could go super wrong. That there is so many universes and that in one universe it could be good and in another it could be bad.

[@NerdGeniusSNES]

​@@allisonleiva9973Exactly!

[@Ka_Five]

I just recently watched the Spider-Man Noir episode where y'all joke about Noir Johnny Blaze lighting his head on fire and riding off into the night to just die And its an actual thing here??? This is the exact type of garbage the weird kids in school would try to get you to read because it's so edgy and dark and KEWL. Meanwhile I just wanted to read my bright colored superheroes save the day P.S. more Terminator / Aliens / Predator stuff on Back Issues! 🙏

[@ignatiancrusader]

Ultimatum + marvels = ruins Both ultimatum and ruins had amazing art with half baked stories where "dark" stuff happens for no reason. At least ultimatum had that cool 4 page david finch splash

[@blackphoenix77]

Marvel released a Marvel: Ruins one shot that reprinted both issues a few years ago and I made the mistake of buying it. I didn't like it; I tore it up and threw it away 😅

[@TheDeadlyBlueWolf]

Like a moron you didn't take it back for a refund?

[@blackphoenix77]

@@TheDeadlyBlueWolf Your mom's a moron lol. I bought it, I can do whatever I want with it.

[@bulletsunderpressure]

Warren ellis: "GOT EM!"

[@reesevendetta9641]

Tbh ill read this over the current marvel comics

[@hartthorn]

My idea on Valkyrie: they are still harbingers of death. So seeing a Valkyrie is kinda like seeing the grim reaper.

[@comicpop]

Hard agree.

[@zaphero5518]

OH, you're absolutely right

[@Crazy4Comics98]

The Ghost Rider bit is the best thing in this comic and there's no way Ellis intended it to be a funny thing.

[@NerdGeniusSNES]

He said he wanted it to be a black comedy so he very well might have

[@devlinburgess2463]

The sad thing is, if this was a more...logical book, I could honestly see it working as a way to show the importance of the main timeline, especially if it was less "Cosmic awfulness" and more personal. Tony Stark tries to redeem his past but is unable to overcome his alcoholism, Natasha Romanov seeks to escape Soviet repression but falls victim to the KGB, Ben Grimm tries to stick with his Fantastic family but splits with them after the stress of his appearance is too much; smaller things that show the hope and strength of the actual timeline characters instead of "What if Silver Surfer decides to claw off his skin for no reason!?!?". Then maybe end with a ray of hope as the hero's struggles are remembered and used as lessons for normal folk, even if the heroes themselves ultimately couldn't overcome their demons.

[@igorkhovanskiy3283]

I actually like some elements of the story like Hulk being the mass of tumors (kinda what he is in the latest comics) or Magneto being the living magnet in constant need to repress his powers. In some cases it’s pointless misery, in others it’s thought provoking: what if not all the powers were cool or useful?

[@101Mant]

X Men has been doing that for decades, loads of mutants have mutations that aren't cool or useful.

[@igorkhovanskiy3283]

​@@101Mant I know, I remember X-men visiting British mutants with acid sweat or something. I just find it ridiculous that mutants are hated because of their birth genetic changes and superheroes are somehow different because they're not born with their abilities. When this is shown happening to 'mainstream' characters it gives one more focus to the universe.

[@donb7519]

@@igorkhovanskiy3283 well the real problem is only the xmen are seen as a discrimination allegory so therefore only they get shown having issues due to what sets them apart including some of the issues being just they arent different in a cool way

[@BeatAces]

Feel like it ends up in a kind of Twilight Zone via the cultural edge and aim of middle of the 90s comics. Something I can enjoy but will absolutely understand anyone else not vibing with it

[@somecanadiangirl1]

one of my favourite metaphors that applies to this story: "it's like a pizza cutter, all edge no point"

[@pikminguy55]

Man if Deadpool was popular as he was today back then when this was published...makes me wonder how they would have done him in that universe.

[@vaquero2322]

He would probably be exactly the same and make fun of the edginess of the story

[@PencilFan-hj3lo]

They put him in a pressure chamber and he exploded or something like that

[@tpinkstaff402]

I think the reason Valkyrie is in that scene is because she's kind of a death god and everybody in that plane is about to die

[@b-pick8427]

It feels like some sort of creepy pasta

[@ChristopherZubin]

I'm surprised _The Last Avengers Story_ didn't come up, they have a lot in common it seems.

[@toxsun]

They both were in the "Alternaverse" imprint, those two and I think Punisher kills the Marvel Universe one-shot. That imprint didn't last long lol.

[@synical_comics_stl]

I think they did a video on last Avengers Story

[@antdujar]

@@synical_comics_stl yup, they did.

[@tristanmaldonado670]

Wasn't Warren Ellis the same guy who wrote the Ultimate Galactus Trilogy and Ultimate Armor Wars, and the popular Iron Man: Extremis story. How did he write a series about the death and pain in the Marvel Universe.

[@billyrice5573]

Yeah writing is writing down ideas and selling them. Some are bad and go no where. Some are good and you keep going. You never know which ones will get you paid or which will be what people like.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Ya gotta start somewhere

[@Deadpoolzilla]

I love how the guys get more excited about talking about Freak on a Leash than they did Marvel Ruins

[@KassTheLass]

You really missed the boat with the title "What if all your favorite food was poop| Marvel Ruins| Back Issues" would be audacious enough that it would probably get unwieldy amounts of clicks.

[@Waaagh40KRed]

Marvel's Ruins seems less like a story and more like Gareth Ennis' wet dream. Like, "Mmm yeah, watch those superheroes suffer."

[@isostormgamer5584]

I've been waiting for them to cover Marvel Ruins for years. I'm glad that they're finally doing it.

[@crimsonking440]

Finally a day off where I can sit back in the morning and enjoy some back issues.

[@julianrodriguez3417]

Same here I’m off from work today lol

[@SpiralSine6]

Can’t wait to enjoy some wholesome family friendly content.

[@bulletsunderpressure]

10hour work days suck ass

[@toxsun]

Hey Comic Pop gang, I appreciate you covering Ruins finally. Just wanted to say thanks, and also thanks for the countless hours of entertainment I get from you all. Take care! ✌

[@SkylightCiel]

I would absolutely hate to read this, but it sure is fun to hear people talk about it

[@Lucarioforce]

How did this “story” get published? This just seems like a random chain of the most gratuitous and demented events that could occur to the Marvel universe. Thanks for sharing this book so I know to avoid it

[@shreyvaghela3963]

It's a fun concept I don't know why people are bitching

[@SonicTheFrenchHorn]

@@shreyvaghela3963 Because it suuuuucks

[@Josh-wb2me]

@@SonicTheFrenchHorn why? In two chapters, the point of the "story" was to showcase how bad Marvel's heroes could be if it wasn't fiction, most of the stuff in here ain't depressing for no reason, they are depressing cuz we know it would happen.

[@Dr_Salt]

@@shreyvaghela3963 yea and it suckd cause these oversensitive manchilds that hate when someone tries to do something different with their precious heros are the reason for the creative bankrupcy of marvel comics nowadays. We get the same stories over and over again.

[@Lagchunk]

@@Dr_Salt No, its terrible because it's boring and depressing for no reason with no actual story and just takes the heroes and is like "What if the US was depressing and all the heroes were disgusting?". It literally just stands to be depressing and edgy.

[@nicks2914]

Wow what a terrible comic. Totally agree with Sal's take. 7th grade level writing.

[@DeflatedHorse]

It sounds like a cool concept but some of the stuff is just edgy for no reason

[@shreyvaghela3963]

Disagree it's a fun concept. Why do people want happy stories 99% of the time. It's a cool fun one off concept

[@Albino_Basilisk]

@@shreyvaghela3963 it is a cool concept, but it needed an actual plot

[@3babylon3]

​@@shreyvaghela3963because ruins is just mean-spirited edgy shlock for the express purpose of shocking the audience. it's substanceless slop that should have never been made. the art is good though

[@rustybuckets2143]

Johnny Storm hittin the Yamcha pose 💀

[@dariooben9]

I read it about 2 years ago. I've never before or after read a comic book that was so dreadful that it was PAINFUL to get through like this one. Goes nowhere, it's poorly written and nobody learns anything. Having said that, at least we got a good Back Issues episode out of it ♡

[@dariooben9]

@@dreamlandnightmare I'm not crazy about it, but it might be an adquired taste

[@TheClitCommander530]

Sometimes Back Issues covers a cool story that I haven't read and I'm like, "that sounds dope. I'm gonna buy that book". This is not one of those times.

[@jimothie64]

I just looked up Marvel Ruins again a week or so ago. It’s literally like you guy’s can read my mind. Love you guys and the channel, by far one of the most underrated channels on KZbin. Keep up the spectacular work guys!

[@fcm3d]

Oh man this story. I like seeing Sal's side of a retelling.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

See, this is why superheroes and reality do not always mix! And while I do like stories where Reality Ensues... I'm starting to think it takes the fun out of everything...

[@willcrouch2359]

Worst timeline? When it’s these colorful Comicpoppers it becomes the best! Buckle up kids, let’s get stupid!!!

[@Ohmargod]

In the immortal word of the black eyed peas: Let's get retarded, hah! Let's get retarded in here!

[@Grievousish]

This is the Hot Topic of comic books

[@NihilisticBallman]

'Johnny the Homicidal Maniac' anyone?

[@sleepyandroid6904]

Execpt that Hot Topic can actually be creative.

[@juliagoodwin9510]

Don't equate Hot Topic with this trash!

[@kevinluther8373]

Sal I’m happy that you acknowledge Ellis and other creators and don’t just ignore it or brush it away.

[@Lionsden99]

The algorithm suggested your Ultimates 1 video right after this, so I watched it. Amazing how similar in mean spirit it felt to Ruins, just to much lesser extremes.

[@batfreeze56]

No joke, I've been waiting six years to hear y'all tear in to this one.

[@ftfasttalkfoodreviewsyt]

Ben referencing christmas Carol leans more to backpack issues

[@gaminglord7775]

Ruins is the comic equivalent of those kids who get on Call of Duty and scream curses and racial slurs because they think it makes them cool.

[@reesevendetta9641]

So basically Dc dark knight metal

[@unavailable7150]

YESSS, I’ve been waiting for you guys to cover this for so long, thank you guys so much.

[@scoutdy6547]

If they had Deadpool in this, he probbly would just of died of cancer. Nothing special just "wade died of cancer."

[@daraghokane4236]

He's a mutant so he gets powers.

[@aisnota5192]

And then his ghost would break the fourth wall saying "Whew! Dodged a bullet by dying quickly!"

[@idongesitusen5764]

I get the feeling Garth Ennis read this and thought "Okay, now what if they had no moral compass and used the government to make them look good?" Exiles on Back Issues.

[@punkxblaze]

God damn it Ben. I can't stop seeing my nose now.

[@Iwoply]

Wow. This was something... A part of me regrets learning about the book's existence

[@BlockieStudios]

Ethan's "Oh noooo look what happened to the Hulk 😑" really got me

[@gamingidiots7495]

Me and this girl were just talking about this story like 2 days ago. And my explanation of it was not nearly as good, thank you for the upload and giving this story justice

[@montoseblack2901]

The more and more your explained Silver Suffer, the more Bens face looked like he was hearing a horror story.

[@S0C0ZY]

Ahhh again even after 7 years I never get tired of a ep of back issues 😮‍💨

[@Promin3nce]

I was excited for todays episode so i can finally get some sleep after the night shift... you know, get on the couch, listen to a cool story and fall asleep... guess i was wrong...

[@anthonyhudak9363]

Can you cover Thor Devourer King, Thor God Butcher and God bomb, Annihilation Conquest, Absolute Carnage, Thanos Wins, King in Black, and Godzilla in Hell?

[@baileytollison5877]

Great episode as usual. Love the story in the end about the music video lol

[@PowerPackers90]

The most screwed up thing is Marvel wanted this to be a joke parody of Marvels. and Ellis gave them this gory body horror nightmare.

[@OreoBrawl]

FINALLY I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EVER SINCE DARK MULTIVERSE. Now they gotta do THE NAIL

[@vicentegeonix]

What is the nail?

[@juliagoodwin9510]

@@vicentegeonix Basically, it's "what if the Kents never found baby Kal-El and how would things play out?" It's a hell of a lot better than Ruins, that's for sure.

[@flywheelshyster6549]

Warren Ellis [outside of being a creep] occupies an odd spot to me as he wrote Transmetroplitan, possibly my favorite comic of all time and first series I read from beginning to end and introduced me to comics outside of just super hero stuff. But I don't think he's been able to capture me in any other of his stuff I've read. Especially his Marvel, DC stuff. usually just boring. i don't know. BLack Summer was aight too

[@ShawnWeeded510]

Warren Ellis Moon Knight is classic imo. It's amazing.

[@themilkman5004]

Only thing I’m familiar with him is next wave and Castlevania

[@aliuniversal4100]

Whys he a creep

[@nathanielrambo3447]

His Thunderbolts run was awesome too.

[@anthonyhudak9363]

Regardless of his background, Castlevania is a fantastic series

[@andresanlozada2495]

The big irony is theres a music video of 3THEET thats kind of what they're describing at the end and the song's name is President X

[@lazarussolomon3541]

The butterfly effect that caused all of this was Ben Grimm not joining the fantastic 4 on the ship. Which makes me wonder why Captin America was a cannibal? Which yes in ww2 there was a group of Us pows in Japan who were forced into canabilsm by their captures but those That survived weren't cannibals for life.

[@comicpop]

The reason you're confused is because there is no Butterfly Effect.

[@lazarussolomon3541]

@@comicpop well that still feels distasteful to the actual ww2 soldier survivors. Not that Captain America was one of them but that it changed him and made him into a monster. Yes the soldiers were scarred for life but they weren't monsters for life

[@comicpop]

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[@tanyaharmon6739]

@@comicpop the proper response

[@Swoosh_015]

I was so intrigued by the art style of Marvels. But the internet kept showing me ruins. And I hate this fucking book. I love Marvels and I hate this fucking book

[@jacob_ian_decoursey_the_author]

Two thoughts: 1) Ruins is Marvel filtered through the worst aspects of American history, whereas Marvels is Marvel filtered through the idyllic Rockwellesque perception of American history, with the intention of saying “be glad superheroes don’t actually exist in the modern world.” What hurts the story most is its length. There’s no room to develop this idea or any of the characters. So it ends up being a bunch of edgy vignettes. 2) the Hulk segment was tackled better by Barry Windsor Smith in his new graphic novel MONSTERS. Which you should totally cover at some point. 3) The concept of Nick Fury as a fucked up pawn of a corrupt government was tackled better by Garth Ennis in his Nick Fury miniseries. Which you should also cover at some point. 4) Bill Sienkiewicz should have illustrated this. In some alternative timeline where the book was tackled better, I like to believe he did.

[@AuthenticApathy]

This is it, The saddest Back Issues episode.

[@orangepalette8264]

Ruins Is a haunted house In comic book form but also as you exit the zombie tells you "your life Is going to end In entropy and hatred" and idk maybe that's why I like It??? Sometimes ya want a story that looks weird and dope and makes you feel ugh but really doesn't have much substance

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

As a writer and geek myself, Ruins has the same problem I found with Warhammer, The Three-Body Problem, the Xeelee Sequence, Worm the Web Serial, The Walking Dead and Crossed: Everything goes wrong, everything is grimdark and depressing, everyone hates and kills each other by the millions, death and destruction are constant... But what is the *point?* Why would I want to keep reading the stories when I can guess how they'll go (or in the case of Fantasy, learn that their end is a cycle)?

[@juliagoodwin9510]

Agreed, this is why I don't care for these kinds of story. It's nothing but grimdark nihilistic edgelord bulls*** that makes me sick...

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@juliagoodwin9510 damn straight. Ffs, even the darkest stories from Greek mythology like Hercules and Perseus had hope, something more than being moody and miserable all the time.

[@thomasarcanine]

Out of all the Watchmenization of Marvel universe, I would rather pick Powerless than Ruins...

[@Spartain14]

Just discovered this channel! Great video guys. Reminds of the good old days of shooting the shit at my local comic store (closed recently for me due to low sales). Man, I miss just chatting comics with fellow nerds. I do feel like Marvel Ruins could have been something cool but there’s not enough direction in my opinion. There’s a lot of just plain meanness and ‘disgust’ for our favorite heroes in this series. They should have leaned more into tragedy instead of “look how dark and edgy we are.” I actually think the most interest part was seeing Ben Grim as a normal guy living his life. A talented writer could have contrasted his life in the Ruins universe against his fantastical life in the more mainstream Marvel universe such as 616. Also, why is Professor X is evil here? And I agree! Why is Eilson Fisk even there?! lol. Odd decisions on the writer’s part. Keep up the videos man. It’s like walking into a comic shop again.

[@spdrwrtr]

I I remember reading the synopsis a few years ago ( immediately said "no thanks"). So thank you Sal for truding through this mess like a champ

[@bergerchicken]

What does Ben say at 43:51? "Ahh my -- book ends, boodins, boo lens, boo dens...?" I've listened to it so many times

[@comicpop]

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[@bergerchicken]

Jesus Christ. Yea, that's a fittingly fucked up reference.

[@bacsilva]

This is the review this book deserved.

[@seand7042]

16:40 believe it or not I actually can relate to the Silver Surfer in that once I was in the hospital and I was very medicated at the time. Anyway I couldn't breathe and I could feel this thing in my neck so I pulled it out as hard as I could turns out it was my EJ... anyways I guess the correlation to the Kree would be my poor nurse who had spent hours finding me a new IV and cleaning up the blood. Sorry Nurse Andrews

[@xJasonHatx]

I swear to god when you started talking about music videos being non related to the song the image of the bullet flying through everything from freak on a leash came into my head. Also DO SLEPPWALKER! You read comics when i did I know you loved you some sweet ass dream aliens.

[@brianadkins3880]

Would have to read MARVELS again since it's been a while but don't remember Phil Sheldon coming off as a pessimist. Maybe every so often, since he was written as a well rounded,human character but there was also plenty of hope and wonder and amazement -and yes,sometimes,fear-at the incredible things happing in the Marvel Universe.

[@Swoosh_015]

That last line was it. He wasn’t always but he was afraid of the Mutants and he always a scared of whether they could hurt his family. Creating a sense of hatred. But he also had faith in them when everyone hated them

[@Sp0rkXNinja]

I've been waiting years for you to cover Ruins! I remember finding this on a forum by searching for worst stories. Also I love teriese Nelson art.

[@bacsilva]

It just hit me that issue 0 of Planetary is just Ellis repeating Ruins.

[@architeuthis3476]

Oh god, this is on the same level as post-1985 Star Wars in terms of how tiny the universe is with everybody just running into everybody else the whole time

[@TupocalypseShakur]

But people say that's good writing

[@architeuthis3476]

@@TupocalypseShakur I haven't met these people

[@TupocalypseShakur]

@@architeuthis3476 mostly nostalgia blind people

[@architeuthis3476]

@@TupocalypseShakur I read about people like that online but I have yet to actually meet any of them in person. Its gotta be a joke that got taken too far like the flat earth movement or something

[@jlev1028]

More like since the Disney era.

[@jclombardi8471]

This story is so edgy I almost cut myself watching this episode.

[@ridge825]

I got tatted up and wear eye liner now

[@karl_alan]

Would love to see you do curse of the mutants. I think that's where Jubilee originally got her vampirism.

[@fenrirsrage4609]

I'm glad that most comic books that try their best to be edgy af and be anti-superhero as possible back in the day is just derided nowadays.

[@MrCeratix]

Oh hell yeah, got to catch this one real early!

[@weedwin7356]

I just find books like this or even The Ultimates to be so gross. Maybe I'm missing something, but they seem to be more occupied with superficially adressing serious issues than actually exploring them.

[@Mr-Green0]

44:33 What the-?! That's supposed to be Spider-Man?! Oh Jesus...

[@aliuniversal4100]

37:55 sounds like the clowns scream from the spawn movie