The WORST Avengers Story | Avengers 200

Buy this story in Essential Avengers Volume 9! amzn.to/37HBbmb After going through a nine month gestation in a matter of days, Ms. Marvel gives birth to a baby boy named Marcus. But within hours of his birth, Marcus is an adult male with the ability to build complex machinery. What strange, alien forces are at play? Who is Marcus? And what is the mysterious machine that he feels so compelled to build? And never miss an update by subscribing! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #avengers #captainmarvel #kang
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[@comicpop]

If you want to pick this up, you can! It's in Essential Avengers Volume 9! amzn.to/37HBbmb

[@andrewfoerster6864]

But really, who would want to?

[@zetamagnus101]

Can't believe this was a thing.

[@tjjordan4207]

Yyyeeeaaahhh, I’m going to skip this one.

[@imaginerejector1429]

Essential? Essential to avoid!

[@alnu8355]

Wow...they put it in the "Essential" collection? Really?

[@ThorneIdentity]

tiffany's disgusted outrage is priceless.

[@capsjukebox]

Tiffany’s constant look of irritated disgust at this story silently says it all for us

[@ReallyCoolSite]

But, technically, that's just her default emoji. It's not limited to this video.

[@thebeewhobuzzes9467]

At first I was thinking “Why was this story infamous?” Then Sal brought up them getting Ms. Marvel off of the team, and I literally gasped and my eyes widened and I said “Oh no! It’s THAT story!”

[@chrisdaily2077]

Me: Infamous Avengers story? What infamous story? Sal: Ms. Marvel is suddenly nine months pregnant … Me: Oh no.

[@WannabeWryter]

Between this the whole Rouge incident, the double deaths of her Mentor/Friend Mar-vell and the Civil war 2 Character Assassination, the poor Woman has been through alot. Marvel's never known what to do with poor Carol Danvers have they?

[@wolvezbane261]

I've heard rumors about this story didn't it was this bad

[@wolvezbane261]

@@WannabeWryter was the Rogue thing before or after this?

[@radicalraddish6292]

@@WannabeWryter she's not alone, Jean Grey, Wanda, psylocke with her whole switching bodies thing, a lot of weird and messed up stuff seems to happen to marvel heroines

[@williamgazca6641]

I was shocked no one on the couch reacted...as soon as I heard Mrs marvel and baby I let out Sal's famous "OHHH NOOOO"

[@Nadodan]

Tiff looks so damned uncomfortable when they get to the backstory of how Marcus get's into Carol in the first place. And I completely get it, because how she looks is exactly how I'm feeling throughout Sal explaining it. Damn this book is a clusterfuck

[@SpiralSine6]

“The most infamous Avengers story? What could that mea- wait, oh no, oh *no*…”

[@milosradmilac8911]

I didn’t know which one this was... then I read your comment and instantly got it 😂

[@GeminiTasiri]

I had an eyes-widening "Oh shit" moment the second Sal mentioned that Carol's pregnant in this issue

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

This is fantastic comic comment 🤣🤣🤣

[@Vamroc]

OH, YEAAAAH HAHAHA

[@Vamroc]

@@milosradmilac8911 Yup, you and Carol both

[@Sqoobthedude]

"So Carol danvers is pregnant-" Oh no its THAT story Anything but that story.

[@AnarchicArachnid]

you thought it was the hank story?

[@morlath4767]

@@AnarchicArachnid I wasn't entirely sure which story it was going to be and didn't Google before Sal started talking. The moment he said she was pregnant I cringed. The only way to describe this story is Dumpster fire.

[@TheGreatDevlin]

7:35 Sal's discrimination against robots continues... This is the dark side of ComicPOP.

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

*X-Men:* "Don't worry, Carol! _We'll_ treat you right!" *literally 5 minutes later, she gets the soul sucked right out of her body*

[@PunkRJH90]

True, but she's at least remembered for something that led to something positive, basically Rogue

[@TevyaSmolka]

She did huh that sucks

[@jinnbs414]

I mean, to be fair, she got her soul sucked out first, and then the X-Men helped her get info on who she was.

[@Ubermensch9240]

@@TevyaSmolka Literally.

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@Ubermensch9240 figures

[@radicalraddish6292]

Joining the club of people who audibly reacted to seeing what story was getting covered. Strap in everyone, were going there.

[@jonathanshaw9704]

0:55- it’s Earth-2 Sal, he survived Crisis and he is here on Earth-Prime.

[@SpiralSine6]

All those Halloween specials and Crisis episodes finally broke time, we have an All New All Different cast. They’re just the same characters you always knew but with a fresh coat of paint.

[@priceyyeti4058]

I saw the title and immediately knew what this was. Oh dear God.

[@doge_testies4070]

It took me till he said Carol suddenly got pregnant to realize which story this was.

[@masterzero7146]

Ah yes, the one storyline Carol Danvers is known for aside from getting absorbed by Rogue and murdering Iron Man

[@donb7519]

and marvel keeps trying to give her epic moments that everyone hates a few months ago she was able to ignore a penance stare "because people always want to make me feel bad for existing"

[@WannabeWryter]

So Marvel's never known what to do with poor Carol Danvers have they? I feel bad for her.

[@crimsonking440]

@@donb7519 "No, carol, people are trying to make you feel bad because you're a bad person" Marvel is so desperate to make her into the coolest character ever, without any of the genuine effort or likeable qualities that made their other characters cool in the first place.

[@donb7519]

@@crimsonking440 marvel writers also love to shove blatant lecturing "unsolicited opinions on israel" then there was aarons with jane thor and aarons with jen and gwenpool strikes back

[@donb7519]

@@CrisisComics well no cause bruce isnt a sociopath who doesnt feel remorse marvel just forgot thats how it works

[@liamgibbons5266]

i love how this story is so dense and fucked up that a one issue comic can be a whole hour long back issues

[@vaggelisbaousis1756]

Poor Ethan. He does not know what he signed up for.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

19:50 He's already had enough

[@WannabeWryter]

Poor Captain Marvel, Marvel's never known what to do with her it seems.

[@NihilisticBallman]

Poor everyone involved.

[@bgood8299]

I bought this issue when it came out in 1980. I was expecting an incredible villain, an epic battle, maybe an incredible revelation about the Avengers. I got a third of that. It turns out the revelation was that the Avengers are jerks and crappy teammates. Actually, I still have that issue, I read it and put it in a box where it has sat forgotten for decades until now.

[@tjjordan4207]

One that was better burned or thrown away.

[@Akari-br7ci]

Avengers 200? Isn't that the issue where Wasp gets her new costume?

[@ToonGal12]

Gotta' love how we're in the middle of Carol giving birth to a mysterious alien baby story, and the thing that bothers Ethan the most is the inaccurate looking dinosaurs.

[@dn22pkkdd476]

The man's gotta have priorities damn it!

[@AlriikRidesAgain]

The greatest super villain in Carol Danvers life is a dude codenamed Marcus.

[@AnarchicArachnid]

who also is her biological son....

[@ShawnWeeded510]

@@AnarchicArachnid and her baby daddy

[@comixproviderftw_02]

🎶Who impregnated Ms. Marvel It’s been Marcus all along🎶

[@Ubermensch9240]

Then it was Brian.

[@jasondaniel8380]

Can't imagine why they didn't use him for the movie.

[@Volvagia1927]

7:02: To bring up Lewis' joke? "I don't want, anybody else. When I think about you, I touch my network port-oooh."

[@Ninjamaster227-]

I love how you put so much emphasis on Carol constantly saying this was weird. When I first read this comic, I was too distracted, by everyone in the avengers acting so drastically out of character. For god sakes Hank Pym and Hank Mccoy are scientists, and Donald Blake is a skilled doctor. Why are they giving Carol pats on the back and supporting this? They should be questioning EVERYTHING?

[@mattixender3016]

47:13 “Oh so he like used the Roofie-9000 on her,” may be the funniest and most fucked thing Tiffany’s ever said

[@donb7519]

tiffany yes but there's been some pretty bad stuff said on back issues

[@ridge825]

Dank Tiffany

[@grkpektis]

We did it guys. we found a love story that is legitimately worse than 50 shades of grey

[@ATroknya]

So.... I know what Captain Marvel 2 *ISNT* going to be.

[@WannabeWryter]

Between this the whole Rouge incident, the double deaths of her Mentor/Friend Mar-vell and the Civil war 2 Character Assassination, the poor Woman has been through alot. Marvel's never known what to do with poor Carol Danvers have they?

[@bobbysworld281995]

Korvac may be there, so that's nice.

[@princeparker8797]

31:34 "I would love to explain this... But.. theres a dinosaur and aliens attacking the city particularly this mansion" Fam I'm dying 😂😂😂😂

[@TheSpiderworks]

Beast Saying the Pocahontas line. Would be funny if everybody would stop fighting even the dinosaur. All turn towards him and just say "WoW!!!"

[@jacobp7037]

Really Beast? *YOU* said that shit

[@amusingmoose9924]

That’s a SolidJJ skit, right there.

[@DiarrheaIsUnbreakable]

In Kurt Busiek's Avengers storyline "The Kang Dynasty" where Kang attempts to conquer Earth, his son the Scarlet Centurion is revealed to be named Marcus as well. And surprise surprise, he develops a crush on Carol Danvers when they fight each other. While the Avengers were fighting Kang and a separate villain at the same time, Carol and Marcus ultimately get stranded together on some planet (I think), and Carol gets PTSD from her encounter with rapist!Marcus. Fortunately, this Marcus is not a creepy rapist and teams up with Carol to stop the other villain, but Kang kills him for betraying him. While Carol does not reciporcate this Marcus' feelings, she does acknowledge that he was completely different from the Marcus she knew.

[@barraki6706]

And people think what Marvel's doing with Carol *today* is a poor treatment of her character.

[@ShawnWeeded510]

And they'd probably still argue for this crappy era of Carols History.

[@meyes5671]

@@SteelSpurs Carols don't need to be likable to be compelling.

[@meyes5671]

@@SteelSpurs Says who? And at the moment, Scarlet Witch is their most popular female hero.

[@WannabeWryter]

Between this the whole Rouge incident, the double deaths of her Mentor/Friend Mar-vell and the Civil war 2 Character Assassination, the poor Woman has been through alot. Marvel's never known what to do with poor Carol Danvers have they?

[@crimsonking440]

@@Jack91790 Lol someone's mad their favorite character sucks.

[@barrybusan1294]

Oh god i saw 'Avengers' and the 200 in the thumbnail. I knew...

[@camerondodge2070]

2:53 Tiffany's right on the money here. There weren't full furry conventions, but certainly gatherings at comic book conventions. So Beast being invited to an underground gathering at a con would've fit perfectly.

[@noahku1314]

Petition for every back issues to end with the crew simultaneously cackling as they descend into madness

[@infiniteenigma1]

I love reading the comments and seeing multiple people have just collectively repressed this nightmare story from their memory

[@N94able]

I saw the 200 and genuinely went "......I KNOW THIS STORY!!!!" What fucking disgrace it is.

[@allstar7610]

Sal: The story started with Ms. Marvel pregnant Me with some comic book knowledge: Oh God, oh God the R word story

[@Sun_worshipping]

I love that you don’t even need to read the title you simply look at the pic and your just like: “Yep it’s going to be a good one.”

[@Cartoonguy133]

I believe Carol left the X-Men because they let Rogue join the team. She still held a grudge against Rogue for stealing her powers. I think Carol held that grudge even after getting her powers back.

[@vemoniscool]

I mean for good reason too, rogue not only took her powers she also left her in a coma and when she woke up she finds out she lost all her memories as well. I mean she gets better but I would definitely feel a bit resentful to her too

[@pinche.dieguito]

Ethan: Is the story infamous? Me: *looks at poor Carol in the background* Ohhhh loooooooord

[@WhiteRaven696]

Dear God. Not “The Rape of Ms. Marvel”. Anything but THAT story.

[@prindy1429]

Remember cocaine is a hell of drug kids , only way i can explain how this got written

[@rdp16rulez]

That explains wacky joking all the time Beast as well.

[@MtnRangeLivingRoom]

Every episode, “heywelcometobackissuesimsal”

[@HollowGolem]

2:55 _Omaha the Cat Dancer_ was a comic by this point. Furries _definitely_ existed. 29:52 is this ComicPop's first ever split screen?

[@vidalruiziii1245]

There's been a few the other most recent was in episode before this the Batman prodigal

[@ninja1man4u]

This story is what was in the ark of the covenant at the end of Indiana Jones . It's that bad

[@christopherb501]

You have to be Sins Past or Marville to be a Marvel comic that could even be _considered_ worse. It's THAT. *BAD.*

[@ninja1man4u]

@@christopherb501 Marville is probably the worst comic ever printed

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

An old friend from school told me this comic was right up my alley. I avoided talking to him for a week.

[@chiamrandall8188]

“So Carol Danvers is pregnant-“ Me: *Scared glitter noises*

[@psuley1977]

That zoom when Sal slides into the Twin Peaks laugh is everything.

[@SamSphinx]

The most subtle prequel reference i've seen on thsi show: A time LORD? (A sith LORD?!)

[@blackphoenix77]

The moral of this story: don't do stories where women magically become pregnant because it never works out well. NEVER.

[@ksolesky2]

Except the Bible

[@8mad]

I liked Carol with the X-Men honestly, but yeah she ended up leaving after the Brood Saga where she became Binary and decided to be a space hero. Also, if I am not mistaken the reason Carol was saved by Spider-Woman was because Rogue had JUST absorbed her powers so she can go save the Brotherhood.

[@Grievousish]

Poor Carol just can't catch a break can she?

[@WannabeWryter]

Between this the whole Rouge incident, the double deaths of her Mentor/Friend Mar-vell and the Civil war 2 Character Assassination, the poor Woman has been through alot. Marvel's never known what to do with poor Carol Danvers have they?

[@thekodex1186]

@@WannabeWryter She's a bit of a Tim Drake

[@user-op8yh6xl6t]

This comic doesn't have creators, it has co-conspirators.

[@comicpop]

Ha!

[@cklambo]

Carol's baby is growing at a incredible rate Hawkeye: That was all I needed, when he started acting strange it became personal with me

[@Evyscreations]

"That's really weird." Dr. Donald Blake, meta commenting on this issue

[@jacob_ian_decoursey_the_author]

George Perez: “this drawing needs more characters in it.”

holy shit. I dont know if I even want to watch this episode. *watches episode

[@TheColSamson]

The mixture of Sal's Batman voice and the zooming in on a picture of Batman at 20:15 just draws a chuckle from me everytime. I don't know why, but it does

[@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038]

Future Sal almost got caught. Tiff: We didn’t do that yet? Future Sal: Hamana hamana of course I know that. I’m clearly from the present timeline. I mean THIS timeline.

[@cincymutt]

The Toys"R"Us ad also somewhat ruined one of my favorite covers from the time with Uncanny X-Men #138. All I can say is I must imagine/hope they got paid an obscene amount for that ad placement.

[@JH-dm1vt]

The stupid ad’s even on the copy of 138 that’s in the trade for Days of Future Past.

[@richardedgell]

"I mean said he wanted a laser, we got lasers all over the place" made me spit out my coffee. Good one

[@NyJoanzy]

Carol Danvers, Marvel's most character assassinated person.

[@WannabeWryter]

So Marvel's never known what to do with poor Carol Danvers have they? Between this Rouge and Civil War 2, goodness.

[@NyJoanzy]

@@WannabeWryter That seems accurate. The run where she was in charge of S.W.O.R.D. with Alpha Flight was pretty good and it was over after only a few arcs. Then they just started doing random shit.

[@bobbysworld281995]

It's moments like these that make me happy as fuck they didn't force her into an era of the MCU when Whedon and Perlmutter were involved with her canceled debut: AOU. It seems the MCU wants to pick up her pieces after Civil War 2 and other terrible moments and do something better (like Iron Man after Civil War, conveniently)

[@knightofkorbin888]

Hank Pym.

[@NyJoanzy]

@@knightofkorbin888 ok. I'm interested. What are you referring to?

[@threex0xthree]

I'm not even a Marvel reader tho, but I remember watching the Linkara video based on this book. Man, did he hate the crap out of this book🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂.

[@ThatKevinBravo]

This story just proves that Janet is a horrible person, first this and then she reminds Wanda about her sons that she lost and starts House of M

[@kr555wizard]

It almost makes hank slapping her seem like a justifiable action, like why do the avengers remember him smacking her one time in a moment where he was mentally unstable, but not all the times she caused friction and issues with the other female team members.Some of which leads to massive destructive forces.

[@donb7519]

@@kr555wizard i mean because to society hitting a women isnt forgivable even when in a state of duress the bigger question is why do we remember that one time from the 60s and not peter punching mj in the 90s or reeds emotional abuse

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

@@kr555wizard I pretty sure Hank in that story pretty much makes a robot to attack Avengers and then be hero of the day, so he's asshole compared to Peter punching MJ in the middle of the fight after some clone says that Peter not the real one. Also, Ultimates solidified this abuse dynamic.

[@carlgibson285]

​@@donb7519 you're right, but Hank hitting Jan wasn't from the 60s, it was from the 80s (it happened a year after the comic they're talking about in the video was published, somewhere around Avengers #214).

[@larswithghosts]

Loved the episode as always, but my brain is just “wow Tiffany is serving LOOKS™️”

[@TheRealZubes]

💕

[@LogantheSloth]

I saw that 200 in the back and said "OH NO" out loud

[@crimsonking440]

Ah yes, everyone's favorite captain marvel story

[@vidalruiziii1245]

As soon as sal said" no its Ms marvel we gotta get rid of ms marvel" i figured out witch story this was gonna be lol he said that and i said a loud "oh no!" 😂😂

[@Shaff2323]

Yes. I’ve waited so long for this story to be talked about.

[@alexandrumarin8981]

I applaud your courage for tackling this weird ass book. I'd like to point out that Hawkeye was pretty much the only sane Avenger in this story. It's kinda weird if you think about how he acts in this story and how Bendis writes Hawkeye in events, especially if you take into account that his treatment of certain characters is based around stories he read and enjoyed like Doomquest.

[@dww7094]

Sal did it, the absolute madman.

[@kevinkruger1686]

Now that y'all have done this book can y'all please do Justice League of America # 200? It is my favorite one and done book of all time

[@jamestargaryen9588]

Ethan’s “Hey, he said he wanted lasers - we got lasers all over the place!” 🤷‍♂️ Killed. Me. Dead. 😂

[@GreatGarloo]

@46:59 - Tiff's face. She's so over this s**t. This story is all because Jim Shooter wanted to get rid of Carol Danvers. Yikes!

[@therealmanos]

Oh boy...this issue.

[@ultimate_lance]

I was expecting a hulk baby moment in this back issue

[@victor6620]

That ending will haunt my nightmares.

[@kangofkek8079]

Man, I used to not like Captain Marvel, but now I feel pretty bad for her

[@WannabeWryter]

Between this the whole Rouge incident, the double deaths of her Mentor/Friend Mar-vell and the Civil war 2 Character Assassination, the poor Woman has been through alot.

[@TheGreatDevlin]

Getting into comics in 2014, that was the "have the heard" story that threw me for a loop lol.

[@KazzBiggs]

It’s absolutely insane how many times the Langoliers have been mentioned in Comicpop. Hahaha It’s been a while since the last reference, I think.

[@calijuggalo3633]

That line weigh your pro's and con's. Fuckin great. Sal you should write a parody of this with that kind of dialogue

[@maskmaker6374]

Such a great Gryffindor outfit Tiff

[@thelonewolfronstringer6266]

I was like where's the intro song but I got it at the end thanks guys for another great episode

[@TommyBaysMusic]

"I wanna see where this goes.... give him the lazer...." 😅😅

[@chisasa9509]

Finding another Story Sal HATES is a story we love to hear him talk about. Lol

[@nubworthycigars6682]

Thanks for all your content! I appreciate the honest takes on some of these stories. It’s comics, and comics logic is insane. Fun and funny, but entirely insane... reminds me of the days when one could travel to the local comics shop and have ridiculous conversations with random acquaintances.

[@donkyoofficial]

I've never heard of this story before, good Lord, what were they thinking?! Thanks for sharing this piece of history, Comic Pop.

[@youfirst6611]

Me: Huh Avengers issue 200. I wonder why Sal said it’s so infamous. Reaches the 9:35 mark Me: Wait a minute carols... but that could only mean...Oh Shi-

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Tiffany's reaction is the same as mine when I read this thing.

[@bigfest6498]

When looking at your "ho-hum" faces I thought to myself, "this book gotta suuuuuuck"...but then the thought of hearing Sal trash it made me wanna click even faster than before ⚡🤣

[@jmet9955]

It’s nice to be reminded how much the avengers used to suck.

[@ctl6985]

😳 my face when I realize what this story is gonna be

[@flywheelshyster6549]

Rough couple of days. Thanks sal and the gang for doing what you do and bringing joy to us whom really need sone joy sometimes. You guys are rockin' like don dokken !

[@kfizzle5086]

Loved the couch banter this episode!

[@Sicod79]

So what your saying is, the MCU might not adapt this story because of "rape" and "rape enabling" by the "Avengers" who "Avenged rape" by buying baby toys and totally siding the with the rapist..

[@Ubermensch9240]

Yeah, this is the only smudge on Caps resume that wasn't Hydra related. Still better than Iron Man, because at least Cap *learned* from this and never did it again.

[@Junya01]

@@Ubermensch9240 Wait... Tony did this again?

[@Ubermensch9240]

@@Junya01 Civil War. Civil War 2. Secret Wars. Really, the guy is incapable of being a hero anymore.

[@donb7519]

@@Ubermensch9240 tony was right in cw2 carol was being a facist and secret wars was a morality flipped tony cause of axis so yes he was incapable of being a hero

[@Ubermensch9240]

@@donb7519 He also kidnapped a kid because of a theory. Not a fact. A THEORY.

[@shutupstupid5630]

Damn, this channel is too good. Great content again everyone. Love y'all!

[@BlueScarabGuy]

Oh shit, this is happening

[@patrickmccabe2078]

My mother got me this for my 12th birthday and a bunch of old at the time comic books for 1995 when I was going through my first big X-men Avengers 90s Marvel collecting phase. I didnt grasp how weird Avengers #200 was for years. Always loved the art though lol

[@nathanchaffin6380]

This was a really entertaining episode of back issues. I'm watching for like the 4th time.

[@adubs3851]

31:15 Never knew Danny McBride was in Marvel continuity until I stared at that panel for more than 2 seconds.

[@girlhag]

the star wars reference ‘A time lord?’ made me CRACK up

[@TheRealZubes]

💕

[@weathersbythesavagereacts2853]

2:20 Dr. Curt Conners has a great line in the ultimate comics where he says when we mess with gods design he messes back