The Worst Unit of Cathay is my only hope

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[@grzegorzswierniak3217]

Thank you for saving my battle. I also thought about hiding army and sniping but I chose the stonehorn as target and it was constantly running away. Second part of the battle is just brilliant :D

[@jerseygiant1]

You can attach heroes to you're caravans which would make battles like this wayyy easier instead of needing legend to use ultimate cheese

[@soulkutu]

The Stonehorn might look more menacing but Greasus gives everything around him 10% ward save with his item, so taking that away was also a good move from Legend.

[@Resil27021]

Glad to help

[@DinisF97]

CA: We've made the AI more competent this game AI: "gotta guard the sky junks"

[@chase6579]

It is a lot better though. They will spread out in sieges instead of clumping up for a juicy aoe at the start.

[@marcusanthony9322]

@@chase6579 CA's AI has got worse over the decades and the difference between Warhammer 2 and 3 isn't that the AI us any better its just different.

[@bearistotle2820]

@Green Warrior Monke It's not just that. It also tries to dodge spells way more, goes for flanks more, and is improved in a lot of ways. That said, the shogun 2 ai was far superior. We can give credit where it is due, but still acknowledge its myriad faults.

[@stoyanb.1668]

Its a real difference between med 2 and this.

[@rathandevlish2787]

It’s orgres with their smartest leader gone so it’s kinda lore accurate since they’re stupid

[@Buggapanda]

"The grail relique of the sky" I can't

[@christhovhannisyan2074]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@kevinbarry4554]

Another round where Legend goes in "I'm not sure I can win this" --> 13 casualties. Me "I'm not sure I can win this" --> general vs general leadership fight at the end both armies all dead.

[@yaboykirby7789]

Only time I thought "I'm not sure I can win this" and I won (rather than losing like normally happens) I soloed 700 Skaven with my melee general after the entire rest of each of our armies died It was the first battle for the blessed dread where you attack the settlement

[@ashesofaranea]

@@yaboykirby7789 blessed dread has it rought for sure

[@Prushinthespirit]

Sky lanterns need to be grouped up by 3 in a unit, even if HP pool remains the same. This way they actually deal a considerable amount of damage. And create a feel of an actual armada. Said mod makes them viable to have in your army.

[@Edward.Newgate.]

Can you tell me this mod name ? I think I NEED this haha

[@user-bg6ow2bf4v]

Make them become sort of flying ballista just like the normal crane gunner will be fair enough. In that way, that fat useless lord can finnally be useful as a ranged lord too.

[@Prushinthespirit]

@@Edward.Newgate. I wonder how difficult it actually is to type "Sky Lantern" in workshop search...

[@Prushinthespirit]

@@user-bg6ow2bf4v nah, Magistrate needs his skills and passives buffed by a lot, in order to be viable as a supporting lord. Otherwise shugengans are more impactful in every way.

[@PROsoundXD134]

Yeah them having more entities would make them atleast decent

[@chadroy16]

Sky lantern boss: evasive manoeuvres! Crew: you mean spin around in circles? Sky lantern boss: immediately!

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

My first thought, when I saw the Cathay trailer was, that lanterns will probably suck. they looked even bad in the CG trailer. They gave me war wagon vibes.

[@-pancakes7205]

If the lanterns had more firepower so it's just a floating weapons platform of death then i'd use them more. like 4 ratling gunners in them. or flamethrowers lol

[@HeavyMetalGamingHD]

@@-pancakes7205 that would be sick. but still easy targets

[@alex_zetsu]

At least the lanterns can be used to waste the AI's ammo, that's something the war wagon would struggle to do.

[@louis930408]

Skywagon

[@-pancakes7205]

@@HeavyMetalGamingHD That would be the trade off though, slow easy targets but in exchange high damage output and long range.

[@Glorfindeld2]

I've pretty much only played as Cathay in WH3 and literally never found a use for the lanterns. I did not expect this level of awful AI. Go Sky Lantern!

[@mannsama7084]

They did add shield breaker to them. So you could use them to support your ranged units to kill shielded units.

[@willc1294]

Is the Winnie the Pooh Giant unit as bad as giant units tend to be in WH?

[@kaiserwilhelm1938]

Do they have an aura or other area effects for friendly troops?

[@Glorfindeld2]

@@kaiserwilhelm1938 They buff the harmony of units they are near by 25% I believe.

[@Red-S-267]

@@willc1294 ? If you mean the terra-cotta sentinel then no. It’s the best single entity unit that isn’t like a faction leader or legendary lord. Unless you mean the elemental bear which is kind just alright.

[@dsurfer]

I love that the first shot of the battle is 90 degrees off target. "truly trash."

[@zwestlich6587]

The click and drag seems to be a new bug from the patch 1.2, I have struggled a lot with that bug, you can never get the right formation in some situation.

[@arthanor9631]

I thougt my game was glitching. "Good" to know it's an actual bug. Poor CA, making mostly inconsequential changes compared to modders but also introducing a pretty annoying thing in everyone's playthrough... ouch

[@diggingdwarf610]

i love these save your disaster videos because they teach me more about the total war games and helps me in my campaigns

[@justjelmer6654]

They really should give the lantern some more fire power/utility . I don't know about any lore of Cathay, bear that in mind. But they should throw/fire something more explosive, like the miners, grenadiers and chameleon stalkers do. Maybe even specialized, like fire (napalm like, vs undead), magic (against demons), poison/nets (to slow down units), harpoons (vs large and flying). Or specialized missles which you can switch like in atilla. This won't of course deal with the vulnerability, but it at least gives the some actual impact on the battle.

[@justjelmer6654]

Maybe smoke bombs could deny archers or other missiles from sniping down the sky lantern

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Or just increase the range to 275, much more ammo, extend dps for about 50% and give the real scary shit: trueshot, like asrai ranger femboys. It will dramatically improve their utility in multiplayer and even in singleplayer battles. So, if enemy ignores skylantern - they just slowly tear down enemy lords and heroes. Or u can use from long range to react AI to attack or cheese that shit to kill greasus for example))

[@edge8625]

It really looked like that first shot at greasus went 90 degrees to the right of the ship

[@SereneAncalime]

When I first tried WH3 as Cathay I like Sky lanterns. They looked nice and was a little different than just playing reskinned dwarves with worse artillery. Then I asked myself why battles were so hard when we had 5 Sky lanterns in one army. That's when I realised sky lanterns just no.

[@etuanno]

Just use Sky Junks, they are better in every way. They also have infinite crane gunner ammo as far as I remember.

[@olafthemoose9413]

​@@etuanno they have a ton of ammo but not infinit

[@LethalOwl]

The ogres were drawn to the lanterns like moth to a flame. "Ooooo, perdy light!"

[@Hwikek]

I remember when I recruited a sky lantern thinking it was like a canon and then immediately disbanding it after it’s first battle.

[@d34thnote79]

i think the purpose of sky lanterns is for you to be able to apply harmonic boosts to the frontline without standing THAT close to it with your ranged units to be fair to them when I was testing them in custom battle I first tried 4 melee cathay units vs 4 khrone warriors, then 3 melee + sky lanter and they did actually do better against those warriors But then again you could just take jade crossbowmen instead and have the bonus of actually dealing damage

[@neweden.]

they did better because sky lanterns did more damage than the 1 unit of jade warrior. 4 jade warriors is 2000 gold in mp, 3 jade warrior + sky lantern = 2400 gold.

[@emperorofbyzantium8207]

that click and drag thing started for me after last update and I hope CA will quickly fix it ,it’s making my battles so unpleasant I can’t even count how many times my units were weirdly positioned because I didn’t spend 10 seconds just to make sure they are moving like I want them to

[@Naramsit]

I see they asked the announcer from shogun to be the voice actor for one of the lords

[@apocolototh1948]

is the tech still there to set a target for the skylantern then go manual and rotate it for pinpoint accuracy, because now the flintlocks only shoot when lined up and not doing the bad swiveling they do when trying to shoot all at once?

[@Einargizz]

13 casualties... The Skaven would be proud.

[@PQUNDCAKE]

I've found that these two uses are literally the only real good use for Lanterns is cheesing the AI into thinking "THESE ARE IMPORTANT!" and lord sniping unshielded lords, i try and run the caravan that has two in them just for the sake of these two things because sniping an ogre lord before it hits my front line is sometimes detrimental to saving a battle. Lantern's ammo and fire rate need some massive buffs if they remain single entities, considering the overpowered nature of other gun units (looking at you Skryre) I feel like CA is apprehensive about making them decent JUST BECAUSE they're a flying unit, especially since CA apparently wants us playing their way instead of the sandbox style us players treat Total Warhammer.

[@easymoneeey]

16:48 the music agreed with you there

[@Frido9090]

At 6:30 the lanterns rotating at 3x speed is a funny thing, thumbs up for them!

[@unifieddynasty]

Never thought I'd see sky lanterns assume the role of tank.

[@flipadip2712]

The idea of a sky lanterns is only marginally better than the idea of dwarves making helicopters.

[@sablesword6239]

Lanterns are substantially better after the patch than they were on launch, because they also got the same piercing shots buff that the Crane Gunners received. They still aren't really *good*, but they're not really utter trash anymore either.

[@MrTomo1134]

I thought the drag spacing was from the mods I downloaded but the patch makes more sense

[@williamcotten7714]

I've been having that issue with the click and drag as well and it's infuriating

[@easytanksgaming3238]

I understand! Skylanterns should be the FIRST unit in game which can shoot multiple enemy units in one time! With no other improvements - just multishot. Applying shieldbreaker to several units in time and deal about 4x more damage at the same time will be good buff for this unit and still have their "cathayan" concept of unit, who are weak alone, but strong in good and smart army :)

[@m0_0n]

Don't know if earlier was more funny when you had to cheese in order to wind the battle, or now when you just dealing with this helpless AI who sends half of his army to stare at two useless units.

[@alric4106]

! 19:46 Is that the voice for "Shameful display!" in Shogun 2?!

[@kipperslipper]

@legendoftotalwar g'day. Do you think sky lanterns are worse than war wagons, lad?

[@escherichiaa_coli]

Hello, I just started watching LegendOfTotalWar few days ago and I love his videos, does anyone know how he does the repositioning of the formation without loosing it? If I just click ground with selected units, they go into a straight line (which is really stupid), if I hold alt and click the units get a little narrower everytime I do it (eventually ruining the formation as well)

[@Sepulveda91]

I noticed the issue with the click and drag issue after the last patch, what did they change?

[@marundiir4241]

This would be a cakewalk against some Daemon factions.

[@Phosypha]

Only CA could think of handing a single farmer a gun, putting him on a balloon, and calling it a single entity.

[@lukusridley]

When I first had a sky lantern in my army I thought it was just a buff unit because I could not identify the damage it was dealing. It is absolutely baffling it exists in the form it does - like who wants to take up an entire army slot for something that's reasonably pricy and does zero damage?

[@shadowlion1135]

the sky lanterns and sky junks can be good against Slaanesh because of the lack of flying units with the except of furies. but is not a problem If you have longma riders.

[@MrDeflador]

Sky junks are good in General.

[@SopronCraft]

What i have to hold to show the whole armys position when i reform?

[@josstroeven2380]

thank god its not just me noticing the click and drag, i thought i was the only one. its such a pain

[@giovannibuscaglia1891]

"Artificial intelligence"

[@Freewata]

sky lantern doomstanks incoming now XD edit 6:40 never knew sky lanterns were able to form a cantabrian circle

[@GrasshopperKelly]

Top tip, add hero's to your caravans for mid to late game caravan doom-stacks. The ambushes get harder and harder, but the caravan can only be upgraded so far.

[@stormraider5400]

You know what this means? Sky lanterns doomstack coming 🥵👌🏻

[@bibby659]

Really makes you wonder what the purpose behind the sky lanterns even are. Also deadass they must be absolutely terrible if not completely useless in a online fight.

[@Pitrah]

I think you let them on fire at will? They spent a ton of ammo shooting on other targets, if you look at betweem 09:00 and 10:00. The total dmg done wasn't horrible actually

[@user-ti4di1uh2d]

Even with fire at will off they will shoot at the target you don’t tell them to shoot. It’s the case with all skirmish units currently.

[@NotTheAbhi]

They were firing at the stonehorn.

[@yautjamerk9159]

Okay I'm not the only one getting the click and drag bug, this is driving me crazy... I have an old mouse so I was wondering if it was the problem

[@Sephlock]

Did they fix the "AI has infinite uses of their abilities but it's on a timer" thing?

[@redglare9623]

Can anyone explain to me how you deal with larger armies (that also have cavalry and chariots) as Cathay? I just setup my crossbowmen and arty and everything but my formation just breaks when the enemy’s cav arrives

[@bobbo8u]

o god i hate that drag formation lag. i thought it was just me because of a mod or something. hope they fix it asap cuz it has lost me more than 1 battle already.

[@joeconte8475]

Sky lanterns - one of the units they used to heavily promo Cathay and the game. Turned out to be a God awful unit. Slow rate of fire. Slow moving. Completely vulnerable to any mobile or long distance skirmishers. It needs way more fire power to be effective and useful. The crew need to be able to drop charges or have a better rate of fire for close enemies to protect itself. They’re so underwhelming.

[@chipmo]

I speculate that this is a case of the AI being a bit too 'smart' in this case in that when you sniped Greasus it put the sky-lanterns at the top of it's threat evaluation. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be 'smart' enough to realise when it can't actually do any damage to a unit

[@tarogorkhan1589]

Could have cheesed even more by making sure the gnoblars projectiles fall down on their own army...

[@christhovhannisyan2074]

The amount fo enemies this campaign has got, def trying to be Archaon

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Sky lanterns MVP OP!

[@cookiecola5852]

Ofc Ogres wants to fly aswell

[@ruaridhmackenzie3215]

Sky lantern = bait balloon

[@lockedon8953]

Lanterns need a major buff

[@lordchaos7770]

you are amazing at total war but this is partly why i use the 20 minute battle timer. i enjoy watching you abuse the game but the timer limits how much i can do it myself

[@KrytoRift]

So, the click and drag thing was on purpose??

[@ydfysgXnightime]

Man ca really nailed the ogre intelligence in this battle. So stupid they don’t make sense

[@0786RICARDO]

All that space and they couldn't fit a cannon? It's like unit variety for the sake of unit variety.

[@ihavenomouthandimustmeme]

Why aren't the gnoblars shooting the lanterns?

[@cabbage4891]

AI at its finest I see

[@sagacity1071]

What's the point of showing hero level on a units health bar?

[@GameSavage]

When the enemy makes a mistake, you should not interfere with him. It is not polite. (с) Napoleon / Bonaparte

[@Raving94]

sky lamterns realy need a buff maby more ammo ore more dmg or just let every unit have more models. sky junk is one ship and the ground artillery version hase 4 and the ground version of the sky lantern the crane gunners hase 32 so in this formular 8 chips per sky lantern units woud be maby a little bit to much but 4-6 woud work much better

[@alex_zetsu]

Can this really be the worst unit? It seems capable of dodging shots to waste ammunition. You can't say that of War Wagons. Anyone got a link to Legend's stream where he had used all the ammo of one and couldn't kill a unit of skinks? I remember that, but couldn't find it.

[@Prushinthespirit]

Just search his first Wulfhart campaign

[@danscga2487]

I TOLD YOU ! I told you this Unit is very good in Caravans against Ogers.

[@tylerdurden376]

Well, so i'm not the only one who has a problem with click and drag..

[@sotirisdel9120]

Basically Ogres be like....sky lantern so pretty i'll stare at it all day then.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

To be fair, greasus just has a lot of hp, that's why it's taking so long, it's not necessarily that the sky lanterns are bad At the very least they aren't any worse than gyrocopters or pterodactyls with bolas imo

[@shadowblade5656]

the more fair comparison might be gyrobomber, except without the bombs. Copters at least have multiple entities in the unit.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

@@shadowblade5656 that's not necessarily a good thing though? If anything it makes them worse at melee and especially easier to shoot down?

[@shadowblade5656]

@@letsplaysvonaja1714 Well, if all other stats remain equal, adding another entity to the unit doubles their damage output, no? They already melt to incoming fire and can't get away from flying melee, so there may not be a huge amount of difference in survivability, really.

[@rickjenkins5719]

Way to quadruple dps of sky lanterns, Spin them in place, all gunners shoot that way.

[@harsteu]

Pre patch I preferred sky lanterns to crane gunners, they could apply the shield breaker debuff really easily in comparison, But now crane gunners are basically artillery....

[@Softpaw1996]

sky junk should swap names with sky lanterns. iknow iknow junk isn't actually supposed to mean junk as in junkyard. tbh. i think they should have more ammo, or atleast better ammo. as they are now the only use they have is like in the video. To cheese. I haven't had a single battle where they were any use. my biggest mistake ever was to give one of my lords? a sky lantern mount. i had him in the thick of a battle versus khorne and he managed to kill 14 units. not worth it whatsoever.

[@soloweeb8754]

What happens if-if you defeat greasus to many-many times? You get 100k per turn from trade-trade? Or is not stack-able, i smell-smell cheese mmmgnn...

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Yes u can. Just farm him with about ~800 different lords))

[@SnakeMajor]

Click and drag is broken AF. I hate it right now ,pissing me off so fucking much. I'm even mad here seeing how you struggle. FUCK

[@isabelleclavering4397]

Has the AI got worse since WH2? It seems derpier, but that might be biased sampling from me watching videos where it derps out.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

It is worse in WH2 actually

[@skupipup]

Can't reach the balloon, better switch to TWWH2 ambush mode. -AI, probably

[@justicesweet6042]

Boggles the mind that the drag out formations are janky now. I noticed it playing Kislev earlier.

[@theStamax]

Calling Sky Lanterns the Grail Relique of the sky is an insult to the latter. Grail Reliques have some niche uses (mostly in pvp, but even in pve they are occasionally useful). Sky Lanterns are just trash all around.

[@amilitarymind]

The sky lanterns remind me of those shit bombers from the Last Jedi. Both shitty ideas, shitty performance, shitty speed, shitty toughness from two rushed enterprises.

[@aw3s0me12]

3rd

[@GasTheThirdWorld]

as cool as this is, i can't help but feel disappointed CA still hasn't managed to deliver a half decent A.I in the current year

[@leshiq4214]

It's like playing dwarfs, but you get garbage instead of gyrobombers. Why no caster in the army???

[@commanderkei9537]

Love how the AI makes this game virtually unplayable

[@mcryan3890]

But I like the sky latern :(

[@TheRotbringer]

I think the AI is worse in this compared to WH2. Legendary difficulty with very hard battles feels much easier to me personally, and it has a lot to do with how inept the AI is.

[@666xenus666]

how the fuck did they got 30 kills ..each xD

[@luciferstruth]

Man, I finally got first like. Been trying for 14 days now 😅😅

[@garwynrosser8907]

AI too stupid to lose...

[@innerracoon3405]

2nd

[@SomeIdiotLUL]

Second?

[@FANVONROHEDS]

This is the weak point of LOTW. He uses optimal units and doesn't really know the potential of even the worst ones like "sky junk". and this unit is doing pretty well against OGRE early in the campaign. as there are not many units in TWW3, you can check them yourself. it is not worth removing anything. This game is complicated and simple at the same time. had it not been for the terrible "auto-resolve" system, I would probably be outrunning all factions by now. Thank you for the challenge of Legendary level and very difficult battles. However, the bigger challenge is to run the campaigns better than LOTW.

[@easytanksgaming3238]

When LOTW resume to make "rating your campaign" series - send him yours, maybe u will get it better and we will see the ways to make shit better. All of us would won from your victory over lotw skills))

[@FANVONROHEDS]

@@easytanksgaming3238 his skill is excellent but not all player hew this same style and i dont have problem with rifts (i just destroy all fraction do 3 soul ) .

[@jaidarling8855]

Both the lanterns and the Junk are so fucking terrible. I can't stand either of them. Cathay honestly have the most uninspired roster in the game, and they have both quite a few of the worst and a couple of the best units in the game

[@masterdelta3039]

Skyjunks are amazing, they are definitely one of Cathay’s better units, the lantern is trash though

[@easytanksgaming3238]

Every unit in Cathay roaster are good for now. Peasants are cheap for their stats and have yin yang buffs. All other infantry worst their money. Peasant horsemen not so terrible, longma riders a little bit squishy but can deal with most flying stuff, jade Lancers actually usefull. Lack of melee heroes are compared to mass troops, magick is about ok and LL are not bad. Even the wuxing compass are good now. Artillery is ok and, of cos, terracota terminator is tough and cool. Every unit can be used in one or other ways and have tactical usability in different situations. That all works for multiplayer - in campaign just spam infantry until the mid game, where your economy should be strong enough to have a celestial dragon armies and even terracota spams, that shit really works.

[@superpainoman]

First

[@Milkshakist]

Imma be real. Saw Warhammer 3… unwishlisted 🤢

[@RobertB0H]

did you get a sausage and bread when you voted?

[@Meyna86]

The click&drag issue is infuriating. Only way to set up properly now is too use Alt drag. CA keeps up its tradition of fixing one thing while screwing up two others.