The Worst Vegan Debate I’ve Ever Seen…

[@DannyIshay]

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[@LouisGedo]

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[@LouisGedo]

*Facts And Logic Destroy Anti-vegan Nonsense Every Time*

[@LouisGedo]

SHARED

[@heleen313]

Is the full debate posted anywhere? And how was decided that the vegans won the debate? Was there a vote by the public? And so the house goes vegan now? 😃

[@barbaraibiel]

Yes, please. Great job on this one!

[@du.schneider]

Wow, how can someone go to an oxford debate with arguments as "tofu taste bad", "I'm so busy to cook" and "what about my friends"... always thought the debate was about ethics and not a child debate like "I am so picky eater"

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

don't forget "chips and gravy tho"

[@tomd6704]

I think a dislike for tofu could have more to do with a person's racial and carnistic biases than the tofu. If somebody says tofu is "disgusting" they are probally racist and carnist. Its a pretty inoffensive food product that maybe idk 99% of people in other places do not dislike and can be prepared in so many diferent ways.

[@Assassin99584]

@@tomd6704Carnism doesn’t exist

[@tomd6704]

@@Assassin99584 By that I mean the set of weird justifications people have for eating meat.

[@Assassin99584]

@@tomd6704 why should I restrict myself from my biological omnivorous diet

[@jennamakesbugs]

You know someone doesn't know how to cook if they think you need to kill or exploit an animal to make some gravy.

[@KYLE-zo4bm]

im not a good cook but i just buy the vegan gravy packets

[@globalist1990]

And vegan food is so much easier and faster to cook. It has far less health hazards through bacterial and viral contamination. Not to mention the waste. Omnivore bins reek, wanna know what's better for you? Just go have a sniff on a vegan bin that's been used for a week for comparison. It hardly has any smell, a bit of rank moisture, that's it.

[@Assassin99584]

Exploitation tho

[@KYLE-zo4bm]

@@Assassin99584 what about it

[@Assassin99584]

@@KYLE-zo4bm buzzwords aren’t arguments

[@alexandrapatterson3723]

Must not be as hard to get into Oxford as I once thought

[@biancat.1873]

8:44 Imagine being kicked out of your house because you don't eat animals. That tells you all you need to know about fHarmers.

[@Assassin99584]

Hypocrite

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

"chips and gravy tho"

[@meaton3805]

What a joke. She thought this would make her look good? Insanity. Please do more!

[@Vegan_Dylan]

NOT HER CHIPS AND GRAVY!!

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

chips and gravy tho

[@nitramnagev7997]

That woman said vegans take five vitamin supplements a day. What about the vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids and amino acid supplements that are fed by farmers to the victims she eats? She said tofu needs lots of seasoning to taste nice. Does she eat raw meat or does she eat cooked and seasoned meat? Does she cook eggs or slurp them down raw?

[@globalist1990]

Dude, they have no idea how to cook. 100%!

[@Assassin99584]

Provide evidence animals are supplemented for things besides genetic and medical deficiencies

[@Brathernine]

Regenerative farms do not require these supplements, cows that are mass produced and eat diets like grains that are not appropriate for their diet will. But we can eat cows fine without antibiotics, hormones and all these fortifications, unlike vegan diets. A wild cow is just as good or even better actually.

[@globalist1990]

@@Brathernine you cannot produce enough meat to meet current demand with those practices.

[@Brathernine]

@globalist1990 what is the current demand? Please define that. Three meals a day? Do you think people will eat steaks three times a day and snack with steaks in between?

[@discursion]

This lady is sure to be hired by the meat and dairy industry to further their propaganda, and I dare say that it's kind of a win for vegans.

[@Luckyvegan01]

Poor English woman I realize my third world reality does not compare to her problems

[@eliasshakkour2904]

I think she’s Welsh?

[@Fclwilson]

My mother had a carnivore friend that was into health. She took several dietary supplements everyday. There are few vegans compared to non vegans. Therefore, I think the supplements industry is supported more by non vegans.

[@Kristers_K]

Most supplements are taken by non-vegans, so you're not wrong. The supplement industry doesn't cater to any group, vegans, vegeterians or meat eaters...it's all about whatever makes money.

[@Fclwilson]

@@Kristers_K I agree 100%. I was thinking about the anti vegan claims of having to take ‘fistfuls of supplements.’ The supplement industry is in it to make money. However, vegans aren’t necessarily driving the industry’s sales due to less vegan adherents compared to other omnivore diets. Thanks for your comment.

[@Anhonime]

the majority of supplements in my country (Poland) are not vegan, I remember that even B12 supplements weren't so obvious a few years back (not sure how it is today cos I have my brand), not to mention D3 which is also essential it's improving, but it's probably stuff like vcaps becoming cheap and a huge trend of "natural" stuff i.e. if they release a series targeted at younger / more health conscious people, you'll get the entire line-up of "organic" "bio" "natural" "gluten-free" and "vegan" while we're at it, but vegans themselves clearly aren't the main target

[@Fclwilson]

@@Anhonime thank you for your comment. I had not considered the non vegan aspects of many supplements.

[@Brathernine]

What supplements? Carnivores do not need any supplements. All the nutrients you need are in meat. Period.

[@chrispollard2611]

Meat eaters have got us all calling plant based meats "protein alternatives". I mean, they're a source of protein, fibre and other nutrients. Why are they alternatives. They're made from beans or soy or wheat. All of which contain high protein or have a significant amount. So they're not "alternative proteins" but rather just "proteins." It's said as if eating flesh meat must be the default, and if you choose to eat something different then you're replacing the meat with an alternative...instead of just having food. "If you're not eating meat then you're not eating properly". It's infuriating.

[@barbaraibiel]

Maybe we should start calling animal protein, recycled protein.

[@hannahmitchell87]

& plant proteins unnecessary cruelty alternatives @@barbaraibiel

[@Assassin99584]

@@hannahmitchell87unnecessary tho cruelty tho

[@Assassin99584]

Flesh tho

[@hannahmitchell87]

@@Assassin99584 are you having a stroke?

[@anasi1509]

I was expecting some level of expertise from all speakers. But most of them were literally clueless clowns.

[@caseyvenable7701]

Oh no I feel so bad for her 😢 what a victim. She might have to cook and have different social dynamics 😭😭😭 Fr tho that shit gets annoying. Why is everyone so self centered and apathetic.

[@scrup007]

Real

[@GeddyRC]

She’s a college student so that should explain her self-centeredness and perpetual victim complex. And also her barely functioning brain.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Piers Morgan in a green dress

[@TaraSalih]

Is she for real? What a joke.

[@aaronmerkel5216]

they let uneducated people enter this debate, it's ridiculous

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

An anti-vegan who is a master of playing the victim? No way!!

[@SlipperyManBean]

Restrictive tho

[@Assassin99584]

That’s right a vegan diet is restrictive

[@AaronVets]

Going to troll till the day you die? Sad life. @@Assassin99584

[@OilCanHarry2U]

@@Assassin99584 (1) We shouldn’t be cruel to animals, that is, we shouldn’t harm animals unnecessarily.
(2) The consumption of animal products harms animals.
(3) The consumption of animal products is unnecessary.
(4) Therefore, we shouldn’t consume animal products.

[@Assassin99584]

@@OilCanHarry2U killing for valid reason isn’t cruelty

[@OilCanHarry2U]

@@Assassin99584 and your “valid reason” is?

[@heleen313]

This is hard to watch, especially after having just seen footage of a pig being drowned in a hot scalding tank while conscious in a slaughterhouse in The Netherlands or Belgium 😢💔

[@RagnarokOroboros]

why would they be drowning pigs i don't believe that shit lmao

[@RagnarokOroboros]

do your research, that's literally vegan propaganda. the animals are dead it's called muscle spasms. apparently they do that to remove the hair from the animal

[@sahil04925]

"Why do you pay for animals to be tortured and murdered?" 10:43 "That's just a simple pleasure in my life, that I am not willing to give up."

[@Assassin99584]

Torture tho murder tho

[@willbyrob6582]

“I would be teased by my family” Then lie and say you don’t like the taste of meat.

[@Mag_1418]

Dear non-vegans... Next time you come to a vegan debate please take 5 minutes to come up with more creative and informed arguments. Thanks.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Why, i dont see why they bothered. I gave wfpbd a chance it did not work for me but that is a claim. Anyway my point is many people claim health issues. They should be investigated by an independant source. Investigating myself would not be wise rather ask for professionals to investigate me and others instead

[@Mag_1418]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Sure it didn't work for you buddy. "Health issues". Sure

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@Mag_1418 so should we listen to you, or play it safe and get independent professionals involved?

[@Mag_1418]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Get professionals involved by all means! Every major nutrition organization in the world states that plant-based diets can be healthy.

[@oliviagreen8853]

This is a debate put on by Oxford students? I thought they were supposed to be….. smart? lol it’s like they didn’t even try to use tangible data for their arguments, wild.

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Cosmic skeptic was not there, I wonder which side would take.

[@barbaraibiel]

Yeah, I wonder.

[@poppyred7865]

It’s shocking that the arguments against are supposedly from an intelligent Oxford student. She literally couldn’t have researched the subject in-depth, as her arguments were either weak or not factually true. It’s actually painful to watch and listen to.

[@GeddyRC]

Because she knows her audience is 99% non-vegan so she can just appeal to them with general bullshittery and humor, wrapped in a bow of zero research.

[@vfta7906]

Danny, this was excellent, and you should do a response to all of the opposition as the entire debate was one of the worst and vegan debate I’ve ever watched. I also think you should do a summary, video of all the excellent points made by the vegans, that went into detail about process, nutrition and environment. It was nothing more than embarrassment really.

[@heleen313]

Yes!

[@icturner23]

A more pertinent point about meal planning is that whilst she’s an Oxford student she doesn’t have to plan any meals. The vast majority of students live in college and eat in hall. I was a student at the most conservative college there before she was born. I didn’t know any other vegan in the whole university. And my college still catered for me perfectly three times a day. As for working afterwards, she’ll almost certainly be in London, the easiest city to be vegan in the world (as you said but even more so for the capital). Every supermarket has vegan meal deals for £3.50 and every coffee shop has multiple plant milks, one or all of which are free.

[@chiarafraticelli7122]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! Please respond to the rest of the anti-vegan side! (We all know who we're waiting for c: )

[@TonariEribo]

lmao

[@braveintofuture]

Fellow vegans, how was your quinoa today?

[@JordiRSamano]

"It was luscious and lovely"

[@SlipperyManBean]

Expensive

[@UlfJayThatGoldenTeacher]

Tasty along with seitan, scrambled tofu, nutrional yeast and mixed veggies.

[@braveintofuture]

@@UlfJayThatGoldenTeacher praise Ed for that wonderful meal

[@UlfJayThatGoldenTeacher]

@@braveintofuture Til the end of time

[@ejRecording]

Thanks good job, and no, I don't think any more covering of these idiots will be necessary, I don't know if we can stomach it. 😅

[@rasputozen]

14:19 cracked me up with the "Wrong. It's actually non-vegans...". It reminded me of Maddox's delivery. I could literally hear in your voice the thousands of times you've had to debunk that same argument before. I think a lightening round of these tired argument clips being cut off abruptly with a "Wrong. It's actually non-vegans..." would be hilarious. Or maybe a vegan Jeopardy where each category is a different long-debunked excuse.

[@ValseInstrumentalist]

Nice job showing Thee Burger Dude's amazing vegan recipes at 12:10 as an example of delicious vegan food. I caught that.

[@dountoothers]

Her performance was so comically unpersuasive that one wonders if she is one of us in disguise.

[@pedeamendoa6522]

It really does look so stupid like she's impersonating an anti vegan 😂😂

[@prasadkarsharma5849]

I don't understand if some one eats only meat and stay healthy.

[@Roki-Roki]

Like a 3rd grader who copied home work and was than called in front of the class to explain what its about without knowing anything about it, like every nonvegan argument ever made and told.

[@xveganx]

2:41 shocking discovery, mind-blowing

[@AetherIdol]

This? This is all theyve got? It's like watchings grade 6 kids debate.

[@Nikita_Naumov]

Yeah, please respond more of this Oxford debate

[@aaronmerkel5216]

She mentions how hard it is to make vegan meals. I literally throw veggies and rice in a bowl, make a simple salad wrap, or even spaghetti. She has no clue.

[@prieten49]

I was not impressed with that debate either. The anti-vegans were very snarky and employed ridicule as much as possible.

[@barbaraibiel]

She did not even know what the word, "domestication", means. How did she get into Oxfotd?

[@MarcusAnthonyCornwallWilliams]

please do more!

[@thatsalt1560]

Well, this was dumb and uninformed. Why do so many omnivores think being upset is enough of an argument?

[@swagmasterdoritos]

0:22 what's that google extension with the number multipliers undereath each video? I'm assuming its for viewing view counts in relation to the channels avg per video views which sounds useful

[@Hyacinth_Rose]

Why would anyone think and express that morality is subjective when we all feel pain and suffer????? Unless there is someone who enjoys pain and suffering of course! Like masochist people for example! But even in the case of masochists they are giving their consent! Which in the case of animals, surely don't do (animals don't give consent for you to kill them or make them suffer!).

[@baganbobik9312]

Strange that she didn't say plants feel pain. That would suit her level of argumentation pretty well

[@stookful]

The standards of Oxford University must have declined if this is the best their anti vegan students can do.

[@andip278]

Liked the video just for the "lifting. vegan. logic." edit😂

[@efortunywhitton]

Ah! Thank you for doing this one: so satisfying!! The arguments for 'against veganism' were so utterly STUPID! Thanks for this, and yes, by all means, respond to the others, would be a laugh! 😂

[@antoinettecastle4739]

Thank you❤❤❤

[@veganrican606]

It's possible to rewild animals. Sometimes animals do it on their own, it's called going feral.

[@Mulverin1]

Petition for "the best vegan debate I've ever seen" Loved the video, was genuinely disappointed that the arguments seemed so egoistical (or factual wrong)

[@debbiewall2160]

From what I've heard so far, it would appear that the argument against veganism is a joke. Disappointing that some participants thought the subject matter to be so "lightweight" that they resorted to mockery instead of having an actual debate. So much for the idea of an "institute of higher learning."

[@shane1597]

Yes, please respond to the other debaters!

[@allandm]

It didn't feel like a debate, there wasn't any back and forth

[@Iam-not-VEGAN-but-]

1:18 what are those 12.6x etc. numbers?

[@IrenaKatt]

High five from another vegan of 8 years! Going vegan was the best decision I've ever made ... & really wish I wasn't lied to my whole life about "having to have meat & dairy to be healthy". Whole foods plant based dishes are incredibly tasty, nutritious, non costly & easy to make. There are no limits to having great food without any victims on my plate. 💚 Never felt happier & healthier until I stopped supporting the cruelty & exploitation of those innocent animals who deserve so much better from us "so called" intelligent species.

[@julioandresgomez3201]

Let s not forget that the world is full of vegans, vegetarians or kind of flexitarians not by choice. Or, billions are so so poor that can only afford a few plants, or a few plants and eggs or something like that. If everyone started to eat animal products like a 1st world country that 'd stress the planet to the very limit.

[@TheFettuck]

Vegans are rich enough to buy animal products, because vegans make the choice not to buy animal products.

[@martinkevin4827]

Great video , what a hard life that girl must have , yikes 😅

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

This so cringe. This just proves that you don't need to be intelligent to speak at an Oxford debate.

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

Many degrees are just regurgitating info they learned .

[@icturner23]

Mannon is from a city. I am from Shropshire, a rural county next to Wales. The first agricultural university in the U.K. is in my home village. It’s perfectly easy to go vegan in rural Britain.

[@icturner23]

I wish I’d known about this debate in advance. I’m a member of the Oxford Union so I could have attended.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Supplements tho.... Most supplements arent even vegan, so it must not be the vegans buying the majority of supplements

[@szilveszterforgo8776]

You're last video was more than enough as a response to Katie Hopkins.

[@chlorophyllphile]

I need you to make fun of this Katie Hopkins malperformence, please

[@jameswayton2340]

When your arguments against veganism are so bad that i'm close to being convinced they are paid by animal products companies, you know its bad.

[@iansomerville]

Nicely debunked. It's not surprising we don't hear any sensible anti-vegan arguments here. There aren't any.

[@GeddyRC]

This is a debate? She’s actually presenting her discomfort with her own family during thanksgiving as evidence against a vegan lifestyle? And her friends wouldn’t accommodate her huh? Some friends they are. My friends volunteered to make vegan food last time we all hung out, I didn’t expect it at all (and these are men we’re talking about, who tend to be far less accepting of this sort of thing). So she must have some really crappy “friends”. …what is happening here? Was this all a big gag and they forgot their clown costumes?

[@johncrondis4563]

It is cringe and laughable how bad the arguments are.

[@jameswayton2340]

You know today i was watching a david Goggins video who said that people are lazy and weak. That its easy to be strong these day's because most people are just weak. I think i understand what he meant with weak after this girl started complaining about ''missing her chips and gravy. 😥😭''

[@robsengahay5614]

When it comes down to it this was simply stating the power of the majority. Most people eat meat therefore meat is morally justifiable. When I was young most people smoked cigarettes so they felt entitled to smoke in the office, restaurant, and even in my car when a passenger. Most people smoke therefore my right to smoke anywhere trumps your discomfort. Also when I was young people felt empowered to be casually (or even explicitly) racist with ‘jokes’ generally being targeted at minorities. These examples demonstrate how the majority can, and often is, just wrong and I have seen the attitudes change but they only started to change once the majority became non smokers or they objected to casual racism. Also a turning point for smoking was the role of second hand smoke. Suddenly it was understood to be harmful for babies and small children to inhale second hand smoke. The road to animal rights will be a tough one because vegans are such a small minority and because the harmful effects of eating meat will never be evident as it is with smoking. Empathy and altruism are still relatively rare in our species.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

If a society came to the conclusion that smoking cigarettes was immoral. Does that mean its immoral? Whats your opinion

[@robsengahay5614]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Smoking cigarettes can’t be immoral. Disregarding the impacts of your choices on others is immoral whether that is smoking or anything else.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@robsengahay5614 but what if a whole society deems it immoral hypothetically speaking?

[@robsengahay5614]

@@x-latetv-x6816 what do you mean by ‘whole society’. I would posit that there are some people who don’t consider slavery, rape or murder of human beings immoral. I must admit that I prefer the word ethical to moral as the latter is so strongly linked to taboos designed by various religious faiths. But, hypothetically speaking, if the ‘whole of society’ deemed any specific action as unethical then it would be by definition. I doubt the ‘whole society’ though could reach such a conclusion. In only really needs an outright majority though. A parent smoking in a car with a small child unharnessed in it is considered to be unethical and illegal today but that was how I travelled as a child in the 1960s. Ethics and morality aren’t fixed. As we learn more about the impacts of our actions society moves the ethical/moral/legal ‘goalposts’.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@robsengahay5614 a whole society i basically mean the majority, yes of course you have a few people in that society disagree, so basically i mean majority of society deem smoking cigarettes immoral. Would it be immoral?

[@VeganCorie]

This lady doesn't know what she is talking about we do not need to killing innocent animals we can live vegan Instead.

[@heleen313]

Disappointing to hear such stupid and uncompassionate arguments from supposedly m intelligent people. Intelligence can clearly be quite limited… and highly overrated as well 😔

[@barbaraibiel]

Well, to be fair, intelligent arguments against veganism do not exist.

[@Assassin99584]

@@barbaraibieltheres no arguments in favour of the vegan cult

[@juliennfaberge5539]

.....cows are already domesticated..... i don't think her degree was in a relevant field

[@Veegan4theanimals]

Amazing..

[@petercunnington6808]

When I walk past a bucher shop and see a pork butt. I get sad because I think of a poor animal that was murdered

[@azk.zeleste]

she said journey🤣

[@weirdunclebob]

0:53 Who's this clown?! Ask most omni's where they get their protein and they'll say meat. I doubt many if any would say they consume dairy for protein. It's meat for protein and iron, dairy for calcium and that's all omni's need to thrive from what I've heard. 😂 Also, as Dani says, why choose almond milk when there are other plant milks with far more protein in them? Because it supports their argument, that's why. Disengenuous to say the least.

[@darwinsiu3913]

The future is vegan 💚

[@thegoblonoid]

Anti vegans always say vegans are too emotional, while this video is filled with appeal to emotion arguments lol. "My chips and gravy tho 😔"

[@Theblindveganlady]

Oh dear, I’m literally cringing at this girl, there are literally no words 🤯

[@sini4971]

New argument 😂 "quinoa tho" 😂😂

[@Gizmo13queenofspades88]

Dude its so bad its comical. These people are so unconscious and so attached. The kate lady you can not even take seriously 😂😂

[@bedtimestory1318]

#JOURNEY

[@danielishay6746]

amazing

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

So intellectual these people 🤦🥩🤡

[@ImPickleTwitch]

Journey tho

[@lavalansterplays9497]

Honestly, if she just said the word “journey” and that’s all, I would have took her side and went back to eating animal products. All the other bull crap just convinced me to remain a vegan for now.

[@ss00mm11]

critical thinking

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Critical drinking🍻

[@icturner23]

The 2018 meta-analysis is a welcome reminder that not everyone at Oxford is an absolute cretin.

[@DakotaWeatherhead]

Thee Burger Dude 💪

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Protein tho in 2024 🤯

[@itorlofi8102]

🌱

[@maggot1111666]

Have you don’t a video discussing moral relativism? I’ve never heard a great argument against it

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

7:23 Duckweed has b12. There are natural vitamins. Livestock are supplemented too. Dairy milk is fortified. Many nonvegans are deficient, take vitamins, or eat junk food which is unnatural or deficient. Then pretend to care about health when it comes to veganism. If she is bothered by vitamins, what about medicine? People say animal products give nutrients but they also give things like high cholesterol, hormones, antibiotics, and disease. 3:56 How does she know if most people agree against veganism when many are deceived and hadn't been given the chance to know the truth about things like livestock being abused? Many people agreed with slavery too. Didn't make it right. People were able to change out of a world wide culture of slavery. Promoting veganism is not doomed. She was just biased. 4:33 When did she talk about that nonveganism was moral like she said she would? She only talked about self interest. Just being so self centered, especially in the face of injustice, was weak. 2:47 Even if veganism is hard, many nonvegans can make some efforts. Some nonvegans get into social justice issues that they think is important. So it's a choice. 6:39 Why do animals have to be used or useful to people? Why can't people just care for animals or the once livestock animals? Like how people care for pets or dogs in shelters. She said "care" when livestock are force bred and killed so young. One can say animals are more useful being alive and not killed too. 7:38 There has also been a long and wide culture of junk food. Does that make it healthy now? I trust modern science more then ancient people who did what they had to to survive. Also, BitesizeVegan has a video on vegans in history. 10:27 Well many Asians are able to like tofu. Vegans don't just eat tofu. I bet she didn't try a bunch of vegan foods yet. 14:02 her: "Or we leave them to die." She wants to kill the animals and at a very young age for food anyways. She was pretending to care about the animals. People force bred those animals. And force bred deformities that shouldn't exist. Like chickens and turkeys who can't support their weight, sheep who can't shed their wool, or flat face dogs with breathing problems. 2:30 Like LVL said, people were able change out of a culture of using a lot of horses for transportation. Horses are not overtaking people. 14:31 There are thousands of edible plants. It's farmers who want to feed animals the cheapest and same crops as possible to keep it cheap and easy.

[@dodumichalcevski]

VEGAN PROPAGANDA 😂

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

8.5 years vegan like you, and same name as you

[@brendaflow]

Seguramente un día le va a dar vergüenza todo lo que dijo jajajaja se pasó 🤣todo sin fundamentos…

[@blade8989]

💪💪💪💪💯

[@dabbsification]

The debate was laughable, especially Katie hopkins