The Zach Justice Grooming Allegations are INSANE

[@FilmCooper]

It actually isn't hard to NOT date the girl you babysat when you were 20 and she was 14.

[@musicloverst]

My aunt and uncle did 💀

[@Lyah.-cf6mv]

Exactly

[@hnceyed]

EXACTLY

[@Just_a_chill_guy-21-z8n]

@@FilmCooper 2024 the groomer era

[@ih4artsza]

Fr 💀

[@pawfaite]

i dont think i like being a minor in 2024 anymore

[@MadeOfConfusion]

I used to lie and say I was a minor to deter unsolicited pics, now I feel like saying I'm older would work better 💀

[@LOREisDEAD]

I may as well pull the "I'm older" card. Getting groomed again wouldn't be fun-

[@Izzy_gee]

Me neither bruh 😭

[@Akira-starwberry]

Fr😭

[@turbkeysamdwich1880]

@@anastyzias online grooming is still grooming, and therefore, still illegal.

[@ppeans]

She may not understand how damaging it is yet. I was groomed by my friends brother. I was 16, he was 24. I ended up marrying him at 18. He cheated on me 2 and half years later with a 17 year old.... But I defended everything he did up to that point. I thought we were special, age didn't matter. But really once I started maturing and questioning things, he was done. Age gap relationships are not always bad - but your brain is still developing into your late 20s. I'm 30 now and I can see all those red flags so what the REAL problem is - what about the adults around me who let it happen? It's their fault as well as the perpetrator.

[@allegedashley]

im so sorry this happened to you. ❤‍🩹

[@tealing_]

thats genuinely horrible im sorry to hear that and i hope the 17 year old managed to get away from him too, people like that will just keep on repeating the same shit for as long as they can get away with it it's so disgusting - i don't know why friends and family members struggle to speak up about it the majority of the time like when an age difference is that large, the whole "age is just a number" bullshit becomes so irrelevant

[@alil2855]

I was 15 and he was 27. We moved in together when I was 18 and he dropped me when I was 20 because I got too old 💀 I ignored all the red flags even though his baby mama who he got with when she was also 16 tried to get through to me while I was still in the relationship. Same concept tho I thought we were special. I’m 30 now and that man is so gross 😭 he’s 42 now dating young “legal” aged girls in Kuwait now 🤢

[@Cyntaria]

I have to agree with you there. I wouldn't have acknowledged I was groomed if it weren't for the fact that he was so financially controlling that I would've been homeless if my parents didn't fly me back home. Throughout those 2 weeks while packing he showed his true colours, threatened me, tried manipulating me, guilt tripped me, said he wouldn't get violent then punched a hole in a door so I took my old phone back from him (his phone was stolen so he was using my old one) so I had an emergency phone hidden for me to use and I locked doors. The day that I left, I had him call me only to scream at me and then he attempted to turn my friends and family against me. Almost succeeded with my parents somehow but my friends were not having it. When I first found out about the cheating, I originally wasn't sure if I should break up. I wanted to fix things, I felt responsible.

[@jazg275]

@@alil2855jail, he should’ve gone to jail💀

[@KaylaGriffith]

“Just because you don’t feel victimized doesn’t mean you’re not a victim.” TRUTH OUT LOUD.

[@Non.like.prince]

It means you're no a victim you're invalidating the so called victims emotions and replacing it with your personal bias and moral compass '' DO BETTER''

[@Dark_Angel_1206]

Say it louder for the people in the backkkkkk

[@MeksenParker-s8t]

@@Non.like.prince we are not replacing emotions obviously everyone knows people feel things when they are hurt physically or emotionally but people in certain situations don't realize that they are being manipulated

[@healingmelanie]

this ❤️‍🩹

[@bluebbgbluelove5900]

It’s very true I was sexually abused by my cousin who would rape me while impaired and would touch me in my sleep and manipulated and physically abused me and I still defended him to myself and was confused why I was so angry and scared, it only took me finding out he touched his sibling in his sleep for me to get upset and realize he was pure evil

[@Anna-h6b7z]

my brother is 8 years older than me, and he had a best friend who knew me since I was quite literally in a crib. He watched me grow up for my whole life, and I thought of him like another older brother. He hit me up in my DMs right after I turned 18, and I was CRUSHED. I had heard about him having a thing for younger girls, but I never ever thought he would think about me that way. I told my brother and no one has spoken to him since. I am so glad I had a family that protected me and taught me this type of behavior was disgusting, because that is the only reason I knew to speak up. I feel so bad for Indiana, her support system (or lack thereof) entirely failed her.

[@Pindolene]

I'm so sorry that happened to you! It's so good that your family supported you and were there to protect you. Shame on that guy for being so predatory!

[@Katfall2012]

I’m sorry that happened to you, I wish that were the case with me. Sadly it was my own brother, I was 12 and they didn’t believe me and still seem to like him more than me despite him being accused of r*ping other girls🤢 but he’s only 2 years older than me

[@Confuzzled-Crow77]

That is horrible, I’m so sorry that someone you thought of as a brother betrayed you like that. I’m glad your brother and everyone else shunned his ass

[@carolina7306]

​@@Katfall2012I'm so sorry, that's devastating :( I hope u know ur better than them!!!

[@Aries-TheRam]

W brother for giving up his friendship, that he has had for like 20 years, I’m not sure I could do that, it takes a lot of strength, to just stop talking to someone you knew for that long, I’m sure most people who watch Cooper are younger than 20 years, which makes this so much more crazier to think about like Cooper himself is 24 I believe so if his 4 year old brother was a groomer, this is what that would be like, anyways hope your family is doing amazing

[@markipliertrash1562]

Why is EVERYONE a groomer nowadays?

[@FunIsinfinite456]

True

[@ForTheDeparted]

REAL.

[@googlyeyes-b2p]

the Diddy Domino effect

[@Salmon_Mario]

fr

[@stzrrz]

That's what I'm saying 😭

[@jupiter_sixth938]

Hiring a grown man to edit videos of your 14 y/o daughter is WILD and then having him live under the same roof is actually insane. Where tf is the mom in all of this? How come no one has pointed fingers?

[@jupiter_sixth938]

Obviously not dismissing the situation between Zach and Indiana, that still happened and Zach is still gross af. But I'm just saying, the mom did play some kind of role in this by putting her minor daughter in the same apartment as a grown man

[@astro_funky13]

Yeahhhh it ain’t right. Her mom allowed the environment for this to happen. She was a child.

[@13realmusic]

This is how the mom in the book Lolita operated. She was an idiot, but the blame still 100% falls on the pedos in these situations.

[@cintaminbunny]

Yes. This happens so many times. For some reason parents will expose their children to preditors and put them in situations where they can get molested and groomed just to gain fame. Their child being famous is more important than their child.

[@sinestesianestesia9079]

I wonder if the mom saw it comming and wanted to have it "under control"? I know it's a stretch but I remember when I was in middle school a friend of mine was in a similar situation and her mom (understandably) went ballistic. But that made my friend just keep stuff from her mom, sneak out, etc. I remember when I told my mom she sighed and said "I'm so sorry for both of them, but if that happened to you I think I would pretend to be OK with it just so that you could tell me things and I would know if it got real bad". Idk, that's really stayed with me since I think about it a lot. Same as my mom (and the culture I grew up in) are very prude and against sex ed etc... but my mom always gave me and my ex bf (almost) complete privacy and said "I hope you're not doing anything stupid but if you are, I'd rahter it be under my roof and not in some random place where you could get hurt". And for that I actually trusted her and never did anything (too) stupid. Anyway of you got here thx for reading hahaha I'm not excusing the mom since it's definetly a strech, but idk this came to my mind immidiately Edit: ok sorry for the huge amount of incorrect grammar and spelling but its early over here and my english (not my main language) is not working yet lmao

[@andromeda_2410]

Bro how hard is it to be sexually active with people your own age 💀

[@AnneQuiet]

Impossible apparently 😖

[@deqoahmed959]

FRRRR 😭😭😭

[@lapvona]

the thing is people their age don’t want to date them as they’re creeps and weirdos so they prey on children who are more vulnerable and less likely to see what’s happening lmfao

[@notericforeman]

thats why they prey on children. People their own age clock how nasty and creepy they are. I was 14 with a 21 year old boyfriend and 16 with a 22 year old boyfriend (different guys), both of them were total creeps, looking back. At the time, I just thought it was sooo coool that they liked me. Now i see guys like them in my own age group and gag.

[@katieestep6058]

They don't do well with dating people whose frontal lobes have developed

[@Hiitsmeurmom24]

As a freshly 18 year old girl, I could never look at a guy who’s 14💀 this is insane.

[@ryanb2607]

Totally irrelevant. What does that have to do with the video? lmao

[@060525]

​@@ryanb2607 if you have problems with comprehension, it's better to lurk and not comment, not to embarrass yourself.

[@Sunflowerheadofficial]

@@ryanb2607she’s saying that she couldn’t even look at an underaged person in a romantic way, it’s what Zach should have done . It is relevant

[@lilbeevee_]

@@060525😂 I love this

[@ryanb2607]

@@060525 18 year old women are not typically attracted to 14 year old younger boys. 18 year old boys are typically attracted to 14 year old girls. These don’t work in reverse - maybe try not embarrassing yourself by being so low intelligence?

[@Tofugirl361]

My mom was 12 dating a 21 year old. TO THIS DAY. She doesn’t think it was weird. She is 43. Let that sink in. People have been successfully groomed when they don’t realize they’ve been groomed

[@samaraisnt]

I think that’s literally Celine Dion’s story too. Crazy how normalized it is.

[@wecanolivetogether11]

omg that a scary asf

[@captaincaspian42]

​@samaraisnt yup, they first met and worked together when Celine was 12 and he was nearly 40. They have a 26 year age difference and her mother was very against it, but he convinced Celine that he loved her.

[@ermbeach]

that is not even grooming, that is pdfilia

[@jasminshye6366]

My mom basically dated a 21 year old when she was 11 until my grandmother forbid her to see him and kept all the letters he send. It took her 40 years and me telling her that he was a pedophile to finally kind of understand it. I don‘t think she fully wants to realize it tho.

[@lemonbutternoodles]

bro how many people are gonna get caught for grooming this summer

[@em_not_alien5197]

Ikr

[@markipliertrash1562]

@@lemonbutternoodles It's too much bro 😭

[@icespice-yj4hu]

nahhh fr tho

[@miyaChinensimp_81]

But fr tho, there's way too many groomers online 🤢🤢

[@Theashes_ofavaa]

I like your pfp I HAVE NO CLUE OMG

[@linnywithers485]

the person who pisses me off the most is indiana's mom. who in their right mind would allow an adult man to live with their teenage daughter and allow them to have that kind of relationship. the neglect is sickening.

[@EmiL_from_NieR]

Millie Bobby browns mom

[@Gogoishere-s1f]

To be fair thats drake ​@@EmiL_from_NieR

[@alexamandes8872]

Typical stage mom who only cared about their kids careers and was probably willing to do what ever and give her whatever in order to make them money

[@kagey7591]

As a mom of two grown daughters, this part makes me feel ill.

[@gabriellaahonen6338]

I THINK THE MOM WANTED ZACKH :D

[@Anotherbrokenegg910]

I didn’t realize I was groomed as a teenager until I was 26 years old. One day she will have a painful realization that this man was describing her as “fresh 18”

[@natebeal18]

You do know that he is a comedian telling jokes....

[@l0v3b1tch3s]

@@natebeal18you do know that’s literally a pedophile joke that isn’t his first or last he literally called tara a “pedophiles dream”💀

[@gracedillard1597]

@@natebeal18he wasn’t even telling a joke in that clip. He was trying to backpedal why she wasn’t his lover then and then described her that aay

[@Katfall2012]

Same. I didn’t realize it because he was nicer to me than the others till I realized he was my daughter’s dad (I was groomed by a few guys around that time, I was 14 and didn’t have friends and highly lonely, I think I partly didn’t want to find out because I was blocking out trauma) but now that my daughter is on the line… and ironically, I found out last October and found a way to stop him from seeing her and he got arrested for grooming his daughter who’s less than a year younger than mine and he raised that girl since birth! Feel so bad for her but thankful I protected my daughter

[@l0v3b1tch3s]

@@Katfall2012 oh my god i’m so sorry that’s happened to you, i’m glad you were able to get you and your daughter out

[@Kami13133]

This is honestly creepy asf for the mom to be open to have him as a guest, and the fact that he dated a girl who he knew since he was 14 and also babysat is scary.

[@alanarama]

My mum let an older guy I was long distance with once, those few days I realised what a weirdo he was, safely under her roof, she worked it well to be fair to her. He was a Christian looking for a pure girl and my mum picked up on that straight away and exposed him. He also was sleeping on the sofa just so you know my mum wasn't letting anything happen to me 😂

[@Bi-polarbear]

When I was 16/17 I was dating a 22/23 year old, and my mom knew, but no one told me that was extremely creepy ….. it has left me with a lot of questions

[@alanarama]

@@Bi-polarbear ah I am sorry no one was there to help you with that, sucks to feel let down by those around you when you needed protection and guidance. I hope you heal from the way that can mess with you.

[@andromeda_2410]

@@Kami13133 yeah the mom's also responsible for letting all this happen and not saying or intervening at all

[@PiperPied]

⁠@@Bi-polarbear do u think ur mom looking back now would say she’d do the same thing now? I personally have watched my mom unpack a lot of patriarchal bullshit that she had deeply ingrained in her and she’s been able to look back and realize that certain things are fucked up!!

[@Jaylilo]

kendrick wrote the 2024 anthem fr 😭

[@BigOwl51]

When I’m in a grooming minors competition and my opponent is a youtuber: 😢😢😢

[@nuve9190]

Fr

[@HelenJustetsOrTheNormalGirl]

When I’m in a grooming Minos competition and my opponent is discordian:😭😭😭😭😢😢😢😢🥺🥺🥺🥺

[@Lottielife3]

Song of the summer

[@Animationsbynobody]

Fr

[@chocob000k]

I really appreciate that he searched for the actual definition of grooming and didn't just use it as a buzzword

[@lesaubergines]

Yeah especially where people are throwing it around.

[@vdawg4109]

Zach over here like “I’m not a groomer, I’m just a loser.”

[@beed2587]

that poor woman. the point of getting groomed is you don't realize you're being groomed sincerely, someone who was groomed also: nobody just watches someone turn 18 and is like "woah... suddenly I view you no longer like my sister but more like a romantic interest"

[@AnonymousUser3114]

First bit, I totally agree

[@rlynn8249]

@@AnonymousUser3114wanna elaborate?

[@millie.esmé]

@@rlynn8249 fr…like what?

[@MisterBadman]

@@AnonymousUser3114you bein’ a bit of’a super freak? Just a wee lil supa freak!!!

[@AnonymousUser3114]

@@rlynn8249 yeah ofc, tw for grooming and attempted s3xual a$$ault So earlier this year, I met someone online who was three years older than me and in college while I am in high school. We became friends and they slowly started behaving flirtatiously and eventually asked me out. I didn’t take it super seriously because it was online and said yes. I stated from the start that I was uncomfortable with anything sexual and that I was ace + too young + worried about my safety. She constantly pushed this boundary, which was a massive red flag. We broke up due to the age difference and the whole time I had no idea that I was being groomed. I mentioned her to my friends who were rightfully worried for my safety, but I ignored them because I enjoyed the attention and the validation, and didn’t think anything was wrong. When you’re in a situation like mine or like hers, you don’t see, don’t want to see, what’s right in front of you My heart goes out to any victims of grooming and/or sa out there.

[@hollyburnham9729]

I am a 23 year old middle school teacher. There are 14 year olds in my eighth grade class. Yes he is disgusting, but what kind of mother lets a 20+ year old move in and be that close with their child?????

[@Vivicolor5]

I'm studying to be a teacher, and when I do classroom observations, I can't help but think how gross people like that are! Even high schoolers, they're all babies, children!

[@forlife_swiftie13]

3:28 literally

[@acecarpenter502]

I work in a school district and I often think the same thing. Like it’s actually truly messed up and weird to think about kids that way. Makes me sick

[@KayKristina]

Exactly.. I was a lil bit rebellious at the age of 16-17 but no way in hell would my mother let this happen or me being a mother now would I let this happen

[@ash011-q7i]

im pretty sure she came to america herself and her parents are back in australia

[@DailyMonster24]

Saw someone say that these guys are ok with dating girls this young but would not be friends with boys that age because why would they because that's a CHILD

[@linehedevang5028]

And anyone I used to “know” that wanted to be friends with kids, was interested in said kids

[@VieDeBle]

EXACTLY! You don't see these grooming mfs hanging out with 14 year old boys

[@leonidandreca2670]

"I would say that we should send you back to 7th grade grammar class but I'd be afraid you'd find your next girlfriend" had me 💀

[@thebestyoucouldfind]

I paused the video to just process that sentence 😂😭

[@notamberp]

I was just about to comment that! lmao EAT HIM UP, COOPER!! 📣

[@hiddiaantje]

same

[@Bluebwerrymarie]

Bro I dropped my pb&j I was flabbergasted !

[@leonidandreca2670]

@@Bluebwerrymarie oh no 😭😭😭

[@JupiterTao26]

if I dont find out a KZbinr I loved as a kid has grooming allegations at least once a week, I start getting withdrawals.

[@brezzychill2424]

It's been a thing since history began

[@brookeb1017]

Fellow Honkai PFP Spotted!

[@JupiterTao26]

@@brookeb1017 bronseele for the win

[@froggy5748]

Based as hell hi3 pfps today, goddamn. literally playing star rail with my bronseele comp rn lmao

[@Chunky.monkey69420]

Man don’t even get me started on callmecarson and tnickles

[@celine9296]

When I was 16 I had a 21 year old boyfriend. It wasn't until years later that I realized I was physically and emotionally abused. I still suffer from PTSD and still have panic attacks when I remember him. There is not much difference between the ages of 25 and 30, but believe me, there is an immeasurable age gap between the ages of 16 and 21. Please warn young girls about such men. If you are a young girl reading this, please take my advice as your older sister and leave that bastard and talk to a trusted adult about this. If he is trying to keep you around with threats such as "If you leave me, I will destroy you", go to the police immediately and don't worry, abusers are brave until they see the police. Stay safe and strong. And remember you are not alone.

[@grxcedn]

i went through something eerily similar. i hope you have found peace, truly i do. i struggle with trust issues really bad some days. sending love ❤️

[@rainydaydolls9925]

2024, may not be MY year. But it’s definitely the pedophiles year smh. Stay safe guys❤❤

[@Dstewar25]

I was 14 and he was 18. I am married now, but the trauma unfortunately still affects me

[@rainydaydolls9925]

@@Dstewar25 I pray you are with someone amazing and that treats you right.

[@TheHestya]

My heart breaks for everyone who has been through this. I was 15 and the bastard was 21. I thought it was my first love. The things these people do to you that stick with you are truly horrible. It warped my whole sense of self, my understanding of what love is and what it looks like. It meant I went from horrible man to horrible man until I ended up in a fully emotionally abusive relationship, something I never thought I would experience and find myself in. I'm 30 now and I've been on a healing journey, getting my life together like I never knew I could. Please, if there are young girls or boys reading these comments, who have been approached by grown adults in any sort of physical or romantic ways, please, please, please listen to those of us who were in your position and who will never forgive them for what they did to us. They make you feel important, they make you feel grown up and not like the others your age. It is all a lie. They chose you exactly because you are the age you are. And trust us, people who were in your shoes and have now grown up ourselves, when we say the day we were their age we truly understood how bad it was. When I was 21 and it dawned on me that there was nothing a 15 year old could do or say to make me see them as anything but a child, I had to suddenly deal with what had happened to me. I would give anything to be able to turn back time and get away before he had the chance to even talk to me, let alone hurt me physically.

[@liz090833]

I was 18 and he was 29. One time he yelled that there are 14 year old girls in Cuba that are much better wives and mothers than I was at 18. It wasn't until years later that I just couldn't forget the comment, that it allllll clicked. He made me feel like shit. Told me I couldn't look up in public, needed to stare at the floor bc I was married now. Tons of stuff. I see it now. That man put me through some shit and it took many years for my confidence to return. He lives in a bush now and talks to his friends in his head. Sad but karma exists.

[@lenne_langenberg]

Finding out that when I was a child I actually had a chance with a lot of KZbinrs I liked is insane

[@stzrrz]

Omg 😭😭

[@AceSt4rr]

HELP THATS WILDDD but true BUT WILDDD LMFAOO

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

Ew?

[@lenne_langenberg]

@@OscarLangleySoryu its disgusting but true hahah

[@AHHHHHHwhyisntitavalibebro]

HELP REAL

[@CherryXXCola]

I love/hate when I strongly dislike someone for no discernible reason and just feel like they’re problematic and then it turns out they are

[@strawberryshorty7569]

same

[@risingmoon56]

Dude same. Any video I saw him in he was making some disgusting joke and I immediately did not like him. This news sadly doesn't surprise me at all, I knew he was fucking weird.

[@getdemani-tized6723]

@@risingmoon56I had no idea until I recently saw a video of the first girl on the podcast cooper mentioned. Oh my god the things he said and how he acted I was like… this guy is not who I thought he was wtf…the next day this video comes out. Oh Tara yummy. That’s the girls name .

[@risingmoon56]

​@@getdemani-tized6723Yup he acts like that in every video I've seen him in. He makes inappropriate and borderline creepy "jokes" to women and there's multiple times where you can tell that people think he took it too far. In one of them he was asking a group of girls if any of them wore pads and started to make a joke about how they'd need them if their boyfriends stretched them out. It was so gross and uncomfortable, and he always acts like that. He's so creepy.

[@queenofbeinghungryaf1025]

Yeah those people have an icky vibe a lot of the time but if you say it out loud without proofs or incidents then you sound like a bitter hater. Truly his behaviour of being so detached while hurting his friends(colleagues?)feelings without a care in the world(it was justified as him being a cool guy). To me that was a red flag but then he went on a channel to try to find out what white woman has a black partner and he made a very gross edgy😜 joke that was played out for laughs asking one of the women the size of pads they wear because we know women who sleep with black men are looser down there hence heavier bleeding(?) but it was funny because he was self aware apparently(there is little to no reaction on his face anyway) so it was a funny joke about "real science". Yeah that reinforced my view on him.

[@annabellejdjd3094]

The creepiest shit is the fact he watched her grow up and then dated her when she was legal age that's creep behavior 100%

[@crystalsmith9038]

Also his excuse to hang out with her was the cover of being siblings so no one would ever call him a pedo

[@kellyroyal9579]

Ye it happens a lot more then ppl think I know dudes my age (30)dating ppl thier little brother use to go out with and my brother friend was 36 dating a 17 year old and everyone just made it seem like that was just normal and that thier was no issue at all and thier parents both knew and approved cuz he had “the money and experience to take care of her like she deserves “

[@oliviapedersen8309]

@@kellyroyal9579 I will never understand parents like this like why do you think that that’s OK in any way shape or form? I will never understand. It’s like when Paul Walker dated a 16 year-old it doesn’t matter what the parents say it doesn’t matter if they need the age of consent what matters is whether or not you’re being a pedophile

[@samaraisnt]

i always have the same rule in my head: if you were old enough to meet them as a BABY and acknowledge/know they were a baby…you are too damn old to date them. Hearing people were at their partners BAPTISM as an adult is 🤢 I remember a doctor MARRIED THE BABY HE DELIVERED! 😭 like SIR. When did you develop feelings for this fetus, exactly? Was it “love at first sight”? Watching a baby grow before your eyes as you slowly developing feelings for them is textbook ped o file behavior. It’s why dating your own adopted daughter is frowned upon (though men STILL do it. 😣)

[@oliviapedersen8309]

@@samaraisnt I don’t think that rule is totally fair because like a five-year-old could see a baby and register that it’s a baby with a five year age difference is not bad as long as you’re older. My parents are eight years apart, but they met when my mom was six and my dad was 34. They were old enough. My mom’s frontal was fully developed. can’t are wrong as long as you guys are both older and fully developed in your brain

[@Hyelee6714]

The whole "Indina will tell you, Indiana doesn't want people to know, Indiana this and that" while he's literally telling a random perspn on the internet that they will tell them Indiana's very personal story to defend himself and most likely pressured Indiana into thinking she should tell that story to damage control zach's bs is so upsetting. If nothing really happenned, if your intentions weren't weird, damn if he actually ever loved her.... Shouldn't he be the one protecting HER? And rather protecting her from that story coming out? Shielding her from people harrassing her? Instead here he is using her as a meat shield, like manipulatong her into defending him isn't a clear sign of grooming

[@v12val]

Drake, Diddy, Cody Ko, Kris Tyson, Zach Justice, Dr Disrespect, Colleen Ballinger Throwing Josh Giddey in there for shits and giggles there is no punchline, this is just a list that I’ll come back to and edit throughout the year.

[@Van_Vana]

Great time capsule, see you when the next one drops 😔

[@Van_Vana]

OH AND DON’T FORGET THE UKULELE LADY

[@bluebird_618]

Yeah don’t forget Colleen Ballinger and James Charles. I’d add Shane Dawson as well but that’s just me.

[@v12val]

@@bluebird_618 Shane and James weren’t 2024 though right? I mean tbf Drake wasn’t 2024 either.

[@kristiansand2480]

Is that Drake the "singer" or Drake Bell?

[@PilotHardy]

“You paint it like I was waiting, lurking for her to become 18” sounded like a confession to me…

[@hybridanimus6412]

exactly. like you may have said what we all were thinking, but that means you were thinking it too. the silence if getting louder, friend

[@queenofbeinghungryaf1025]

Exactly! A lot of times when they assume what we are thinking,they are just telling on themselves. Because if you don't see the minor that way then it would not cross your mind if someone says that you have a weird relationship with that minor. You likely would be grossed out that it's even implied but getting defensive while using a hypothetical highkey says a lot....

[@m.mhn7535]

his cognitive dissonance is crazy

[@lunaeons45]

Why does that sound a bar, like that could he a rap song and I wouldn't question the line at all

[@asum7213]

​@@lunaeons45 I blame Drake's ghostwriters.

[@MsSharaE]

The fact that Indiana was “going through a hard time” and that was the reason he gave to justify his closeness with her actually reads as 1000 times more predatory, and the fact that he used that as a justification for his grooming is just repulsive.

[@madisoncallaghan]

Unpacking how someone who made you feel safe and loved was actually in the wrong for doing so would require a LOT of hours with a professional and I wish her the best, truly. :(

[@adiarratudoumbia3149]

I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like he took advantage of her vulnerability

[@Fallen_angelishere]

Really so not because he saved her life, that dosent make anyone close. Victim much

[@sociopath4121]

@@madisoncallaghan She is a cheater brother...

[@Okaywaithuh]

@@sociopath4121that doesn’t mean she deserved to be groomed-??

[@Kpop-edits554]

half way through watching this video it clicked in my brain that they have the same age gap that me and my BROTHER have. let that sink in for a second. my brother who views me as a "cringey teen" which is HOW A 24 YEAR OLD SHOULD VIEW A LITERAL CHILD.

[@Keralover11]

"Just cause she doesn't feel victimized doesn't mean that shes not a victim!" 👏👏🙌PERIODT🙌 👏👏

[@missbeaussie]

Especially when it comes to grooming.

[@atuvera9021]

This week i read that Coraline author Neil Gaiman might also have been abusive to much younger women than him, one being his child's nanny, the thing is that she declared that some things were consensual but other things were not. So, people chose to just not believe her because i guess some don't understand that in abusive relationships there is also things that were ok but the bad experiencies outweigh the good ones. Honestly, i'm tired of fans defending his idols just so they don't feel guilty consuming their art/content.

[@yamothaisaverynizlady]

I love that when people make that defense they think the lack of trauma causes the predators actions to be canceled out. Also they don’t realize that trauma can manifest in way more ways than just feeling bad when you’re thinking of the event in that moment

[@MontuDesigns]

I don’t understand why no one will accept her literally saying she’s not a victim. Why would her parents let him be in the same house if they minded it?

[@goblinguy3103]

@@MontuDesignsher parents not minding doesn’t mean it isn’t? Bad? Parents also send their children to conversion therapy and abuse their own children. Them being her parents means nothing.

[@Jade_notfair]

"I would never manipulate a soul" continues to manipulate that girl on dm's by saying "if you cared you would call" thats using the same manipulation and guilt tripping as "if u break up w/ me im going to hurt myself"💀

[@dealusion]

it's the top tactic groomers use these days fr

[@Jade_notfair]

@@dealusion For real, so many people do that. Its mental abuse to the max. And its everywhere not even in groomers-😭

[@kenma5176]

Look I don’t think those two are the same at all. But yea it is manipulative

[@dealusion]

@@Jade_notfair exactly even narcissistic parents do it

[@MontuDesigns]

I don’t understand why no one will accept her literally saying she’s not a victim

[@_n1ght__sh4d3_]

As a real victim, he's a groomer, he speaks like my groomer when I still had contact with her

[@strawberryshorty7569]

It resonated w me too, hope you're doing well

[@danijadedd]

I'm so sorry either of you can relate to this story. 😓

[@AnonymousAnimated]

Damn, hope y'all and everyone who relates gets well.

[@filmsta5sixtoosie]

Your groomer was a girl?!?

[@Saveena751]

I’m so so sorry, hope your doing better and healing thru 😔

[@reconsider140]

I've seen some dropouts shorts and Zach seems to love to jokingly call his friend a pedophile, which in hindsight feels like projecting

[@TKNDxTeqneqe]

Yeah That’s What I’m Seeing Now.. Because I Didn’t Know About This.. I Just Thought He Was Funny Quick Witted Guy But He Isn’t A Dumb Dude And Has All The Makings Of This And Other Serious Mental Disorders.. Which Is Scary As Hell.. Wtf..

[@rumimir18]

As an adult woman who is small and is constantly mistaken for a teenager, hearing that "joke" made me utterly disgusted. I cannot imagine how she must have felt after hearing that.

[@123goscrewyourself]

My partner is smaller and looks younger. Meanwhile I look like a tired hobo. The fun part is she's a year my senior.

[@asiaismagical7541]

She made a video about leaving the podcast like a week before these allegations came out.

[@ames_elaine]

i looked older than my age as a teenager & get mistaken for a teenager constantly as an adult; the way men interact w/ me & other people or even make excuses for any of this behavior is baffling. i may have looked "mature" at 12, but if you observed anything other than my appearance, you would know right away i was very much a minor. it requires men to actually care.

[@Diana-mu7pc]

Omg same ;____; it's an awkward bind sometimes when it comes to men. I'm 25 now and still get mistaken for a high schooler where I work... which is in a high school. I don't like that it makes me as uncomfortable and suspicious as it does. But one time when I was 23 this guy who was in his mid-thirties (and admittedly had a thing for me and tried to get with me) flirted with me while also casually telling me I look 16??? Liiiiike WHAT??? That's such an obvious creepy thing to say that has stuck with me and I've vented about it to friends, but that seems soooo mild compared to what was said to Tara, I can't imagine...

[@mimihandley7996]

@@Diana-mu7pcno way a grown man tried to complement you by saying u looked like a minor like oh so u like sixteen year olds good to know

[@trishtrish41]

As a parent myself with a son who is 20 and a daughter who is 17, shame on the MOTHER for putting her daughter in an ADULT situation. It’s our job as parents to PROTECT our children. That means protecting them from adults who prey on vulnerable children. I’m not sure what the mother thought would happen. In fact i wouldn’t be surprised if she allowed things to happen between these two. I’ve seen parents be perfectly fine with their child dating an adult. I’m fact I have seen what can happen when you allow your 15 yr old daughter’s 22 yr old boyfriend to move in…it doesn’t end well and I’m astounded at the shock these parents have WHEN not IF something happens. Not a single person protected this girl. Right now she is too young to see that it is grooming but one day, she will and she will have to work through and process that. I don’t get how ppl can be so damn trusting of complete strangers. It happens so much now and parents don’t care. Let children have their innocence and stop putting them in adult situations with adult consequences. The mother is no better than the predator

[@amandab6566]

Perfectly said. Agreed!!

[@zombieedrea]

I was wondering where the mother was in all of this. I'm sure she didn't hire the dude with the forethought that he might perv on her 14 year old daughter, but once she saw how close they were getting (and she HAD to have seen it, considering he lived with them), I don't understand how that didn't majorly bother her. Because you're right, plenty of parents don't care when an older man dates their daughter. A lot of times those mom's dated adults when they were teens themselves because it wasn't always seen as automatically inappropriate like it is now. It was very normalized. Jerry Seinfeld very openly dated a high schooler in the 90's when he was in his THIRTIES and barely anyone raised alarm bells. They made jokes about it but otherwise laughed it off, and that is how something becomes normalized. I'm sure Zach justifies his relationship with Indiana *because* her mother doesn't care. He probably thinks, "See? How is it grooming when her own mother trusts me?" Which in turn won't make Indiana think that she's a victim herself, she'll make that same justification. 'I wasn't groomed because my mother knew what was happening the entire time and she didn't think it was a big deal." For all we know, Zach manipulated the mother as well into thinking it wasn't a big deal, or he kept it secret around her until Indiana was old enough for it to be justified. Whatever the case, that mother needs a wakeup call. I can only hope that Indiana isn't further abused in this relationship, and I hope she doesn't end up too damaged or confused in all of this. :\

[@joshuataylor3550]

Prince Phillip courted queen Elizabeth when they were 18 and 13.

[@andii200]

As a victim of grooming, this year has been so triggering and so disgusting. I’m about to just turn my phone off forever

[@momplspickmeupimscared]

I really hope you take a break and distance yourself from this drama ❤️‍🩹 you don't deserve having to relieve everything, we are here to support victims you go support yourself, buddy!

[@kaitlyntriplett4933]

literally. and the amount of ppl trying to defend these pedos really trigger me😫 or like women like indiana thinking she wasn’t groomed. like there’s so many real victims out there that suffered and have to stuffer again everytime someone tries to defend that type of behavior. i was 14 when i was groomed by a 27 year old in a position of power. dude was arrested and everything but i’ll never forget how the ppl treated me after by defending him. the drama rn it’s like everyone i watched on youtube who i liked was secretly a pedo too. like triggering asf.

[@grxcedn]

@@kaitlyntriplett4933it’s scary too because a lot of parents have no idea that their kids are watching online or who they are talking to. I was in a very toxic/scary age gap relationship when I was 16 and he was 20. I know it’s only four years but it was horrible. I worry that a lot of girls are seeing these weird age gap relationships being normalized, I am mow 21 and have just recently realized how bad/gross things were.

[@cabezagrano6279]

i hear you

[@stephaniebaker1975]

i hear you girl

[@rougewolf4002]

As someone who was groomed as an adult by my father and as a child (a different person), this hit hard. I didn't know he was until he eventually sa'd me. It was not until my therapist said it wasn't normal. Now I'm dealing with trauma because it fully hit me when I turned 28.

[@emilyalbana]

So this made me realise this is actively happening to me. I’m 17 and he’s in his 20s. He said to one of my family members that he secretly is waiting for me to become 18 to ask me to date him. He is touchy, I just thought that’s what’s guys are like, but this is an eye opener for me.

[@zoes_story]

Oh dude. Run. Nobody that age should be pursuing a teenager. That's straight up creepy asf. Sincerely a 25 year old who dodged a similar situation at the same age

[@emilyalbana]

@@zoes_story yeah I plan to stop associating with him. What’s worse is that my own mum knows and has not mentioned it at all to me. It’s surprising because she was groomed at 16. I’d expect her to have said something instead of me having to watch a KZbinr explain what it is for me to know.

[@bravegrumpy689]

I feel like its probably common for people who were s*xually abused as a child to have trouble recognizing when it happens to others because of the warped perception of acceptable a groomed child would receive. I know that this is how it worked for me, and i cannot imagine i am the only one.

[@ellegrey13]

Girrrl run for the hills. That's just creepy and disgusting.

[@heathpie5678]

Normal men are not like this. The older ones who give you too much attention are creepy and you might not notice until it’s too late. Please run

[@moonriverinc7896]

Bring back calling teenagers pipsqueaks instead of saying they’re “mature for their age”

[@Jetty_son_the_dude_guy]

So according to him, he can make jokes about p3d0’s- people who victimize children, and that’s fine - but them accusing him of gr00ming a girl off of stuff that he did- is undermining real victims?

[@urlocalLesserafimstan]

CLOCK IT!!!

[@nena1206]

exactly what i was thinking! also these “jokes” are one of the reasons so many people feel comfortable excusing victims as well

[@jaytotheareokay]

Dude is constantly "joking" about abusing women. I'm glad this shit is coming out. He's always come off as a scumbag to me.

[@seanceknowles2911]

Typical toxic person. Using DARVO

[@turdcobain]

“you can say anything you want in english, thats what makes words special, but that doesn’t make it true zack” LMFAOO im dead

[@Itscloudii_Official]

Dude if your old enough to drink and she just finished middle school there’s a problem.

[@NatePossibilities]

Just the devil's advocate here, but what if you're in Japan or American Samoa. ...where the age of consent is 12; in the latter case at least. In Japan it's 15, which is why Sneako probably went there right after he defended "Cuties". Sometimes you just can't shake that pedo-boner, but you also want a modiCUM of probable deniability.

[@Christine-101-s2b]

Indianas mom let her down by allowing that GROWN man to stay in the same house as her MINOR daughter and then allowing them to work their way into a very inappropriate relationship 🤢🤢

[@esmee6308]

Some people have twisted morals, when I just turned 18 my mum tried to set me up with a 40y old. She defended herself by saying she thought he was 30... Excuse me.

[@falln777]

@@esmee6308maybe he was offering her a lot of money that’s disgusting I hope ur ok now ☹️

[@yamothaisaverynizlady]

Right? She was kind of like a facilitator and clearly didn't stand up for her daughter. You don't have to live in someone's house to edit their videos. This is total speculation but I think either she had similar experiences, or she saw her daughter dating zach as an opportunity 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@esmee6308]

@@falln777 I'm far away from my mother's influence now. I think my mother sees me as an extension of herself and blurs a lot of lines due to that. The man was probably someone she'd fantase about. Surfer, biker, wealthy, etc. And she figured she was doing me a favour. The man avoided me as much as I him and eventually had his mother talk to me to ask if I was ok. She helped me see I wasn't, though she couldn't do much more, that already helped a ton back then.

[@ALEXXX_-_]

@@esmee6308 BROTHER EUGHHHHHHHHH i'm glad your away from your mother now and even more glad that he avoided you like any SANE ADULT WOULD DO.

[@iheartjheneaikoo]

why cant ppl stay away from minors these days bruh😭

[@cosmari245]

can't they find ppl their age 💀

[@looladoo]

nah fr😭

[@viktor5783]

They haven’t been able to, for centuries. It’s just publicly visible now.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

It’s coming to light now. People have always been horrible.

[@blairperry]

This has always been a thing hence why women are obsessed with youth, and get triggered when they see girls getting attention (hence all the teachers preying on boys).

[@mimidarkbloomxo]

as a survivor of abuse myself it is absolutely disgusts me to see predators fake championing “real” victims just to try to deflect from their predatory and/or abusive behavior 🤮

[@WestonNey3000]

It’s not that grooming is a new thing, what’s happening is the rise of social media brings the bad people to light. They were always there, now they are being held accountable en mass for the first time in history!

[@thestraydog]

I think this is a really respectable way to look at it, unfortunately past generations have dealt with horrible behavior like this and had no way to speak out about it and catalog the gross stuff that happened.

[@Sezame_Syrup]

Definitely, but I also think that the porn industry plays a part in people, especially men feeling more comfortable with doing this to younger people. With the amount of little sister, niece or even stepdaughter staged porn.

[@WestonNey3000]

@@Sezame_Syrup that’s true, but if you look back in history at the depraved things men did to women, especially young ones, I’d say we are doing a lot better as a society today, we just still have quite a few to weed out.

[@goblinguy3103]

Thank you! I hate when people act like this is NEW as if people haven’t been doing this forever. We just have access to more people now, so we see it.

[@Helennotamellon]

She was 14 and he was 20 and they lived together? AND publicly dated online? Yikes 😬

[@sighlife]

I'm 14, and hugging, being best friends, and making sexual jokes with a FULLY GROWN 20 Y/O MAN and then kinda growing up with him is so insane to me. Obviously no blame at all to Indiana but I truly can't understand how Zach doesn't see a problem with this??

[@oliviapedersen8309]

He clearly does see a problem with it. He just wants to fully deny it because he’s OK with it. He wants to keep dating her. He knows it’s wrong but that that’s why he’s defending it because he knows it’s wrong but doesn’t wanna stop.

[@kodomoshawn6729]

The type of men who do this KNOW it's wrong, that's why they try so hard to convince people that they aren't "bad people" and that they'd "never hurt anyone", they're lying in an attempt to cover their tracks.

[@ShesTiredd]

​@@oliviapedersen8309Disappointed to realise that some of the guys I knew had this..."mindset"...and it was common Like,dude Your friend is 22. Why would you let him date your 16 y.o. sister without even questioning it In my country age of consent is 16. But I still cant wrap my head around about how those relationships are so normalised and they see nothing wrong with that

[@wheretheheckis_ssaki]

"just cause she doesn't feel victimised doesn't mean she's not a real victim" SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@laughoutloud9712]

Not talk to minors as an adult: Level IMPOSSIBLE

[@lesabri]

My adult boyfriend of 20 when I was 14 has left me with lifelong trauma, I'm 44 now. This is fuked because she won't even know how messed up it is for years!

[@sniperfoxxx6543]

Yep, things didnt start hitting me until i turned 30.. All of sudden it all hit me like a train how many inappropriate adults and situations i was in as a teen.. I was in a relationship with someone who was 11 years older than me at 14 and everyone around us was ok with it.. It really grosses me tf out now..

[@adrikinnn_]

Dr. Disrespect, Cody Ko, Ava Kris Tyson, Zach Justice, all called out for being groomers, what tf is summer 2024

[@saturnmercury8533]

Next thing you know Harper from LOL studio speaks about her grooming case. BECAUSE SHE IS ALWAYS SURROUNDED WITH DAMN ADULTS!

[@probablyprin]

@@saturnmercury8533Omg I was just thinking about the LOL podcast. I hope that never happens to Harper.

[@saturnmercury8533]

@@probablyprin I'm glad I am not the only one who is worried about Harper. I hope she's okay, but it is also concerning that no one had ever commented or questioned what is this teen doing with these adults, or why would an adult be interested in having a conversation with a teen, like It's so weird and suspicious. (I'm sorry, I babble a lot when I'm upset.)

[@thesoul2sqeeze]

People are waking up to these creeps , thankfully

[@letta-vr1bc]

REAL.

[@Anarchyinthe603]

As an aging Gen-Xer, (46 this year,) I just want to say how thankful I am that this kind of behavior is getting LOUDLY called out like this by people in your generation. I've been an angry anarchist, feminist, leftist since high school, and in decades before when I would express my discomfort and disgust at age gap relationships, the grooming of younger people by older folks who should damn well know better, the power imbalance inherent in these relationships, etc, I would get told that I was taking things too seriously, that it's not that bad, dismissive things like that. Changes like this give me hope for the future in a very bleak time.

[@grxcedn]

WE STAN RAINN THANK YOU COOPER. Rainn was THE only group of adults who wanted to help me when I was SA’d as a minor. Really wonderful people.

[@samaraisnt]

yay great to hear they’re great firsthand. :) happy my fav sa nonprofit is rightfully kicking ass. ♥️ they’re so helpful & informative too!

[@darkphoenixgaming8253]

I'm happy they helped you and sorry that that happened to you I hope you are doing well.

[@Jade_notfair]

If he was a 20 year old that lived with a 14 year old they should either hate eachother or have a sibling relationship but the fact when she came of age they started dating💀

[@iimuffinsaur]

Fr.

[@sofpiko]

the way the also called each other brother and sister before dating too

[@jihadamcsween2677]

Or an a teacher student kind of relationship

[@Jade_notfair]

@@jihadamcsween2677 Exactly💀

[@Jade_notfair]

@@sofpiko Nah im sure he said thats so it ddidnt seem wierd😭 but it ended up liie that anywyas

[@Everloveme77]

I was a victim of grooming. It is sad when influencers try to make it seem normal. They are in the perfect place to bring awareness and stop it.

[@KateJRoberts]

This is so sad. I was groomed by a 26 y/o when I was 15. Being in my 20’s now is crazy because I don’t understand how tf people my age would ever even have any interest in literal CHILDREN.

[@notericforeman]

I had a 21 year old boyfriend when I was 14. He was my first “encounter” and it genuinely traumatized me. It changed my whole perspective on life. If I could go back and never meet him, I would. Sometimes I wish I could press charges against him.

[@trinitylace1101]

I was 14 and with a 25 year old man it has traumatized me more than I know and I was with him for 5 years ….

[@ArtsyHo]

@@trinitylace1101 14 is really the year huh.. mine is 23 and I genuinely dont know how to get out of it.. I always told myself that I would never allow myself to be in this situation and here I am..

[@reginav4294]

@@ArtsyHodo your parents know?

[@pizzarisa]

⁠​⁠@@ArtsyHo first, I’m so sorry you’re in this. A 23 year old “dating” you is beyond gross and it’s not your fault. Second, say nothing and block him. Tell your parents if they don’t already know. If you don’t have a good relationship with them then go to a counselor or adult you can trust. I hope you can get out soon ❤

[@ArtsyHo]

@pizzarisa thank you.. i feel trapped because its my best friend's brother so i see him all the time and if i got away and told my parents (who i do thankfully have a great relationship with) they would probably make me never see my bff again..

[@magicshruums1014]

Why am I honestly not surprised tbh. Everyone’s becoming child diddlers😭

[@Yk_me_as_the_rizzler]

REALL

[@Mia-tz9hc]

Let’s be honest, it’s mostly men.

[@stzrrz]

​@@Mia-tz9hc there's at least a couple recent allegations against women as well... It's just people being absolute trash, not just men

[@KeepTheDoubleSpace]

​@@stzrrz the vast majority are still male though, even those who groom boys.

[@stzrrz]

@@KeepTheDoubleSpace I do agree, but I just think anybody can turn out to be a creep, not just a demographic of people

[@homicidal._goose]

When I was probably 11 I had a crush on a 17-18 year old and actually ended up telling them. Guess what they didn’t do? Date me. How hard is it for these content creators not to like kids?? 😭

[@Icelandic_fart-sc9up]

W 17-18 year old

[@Hi_L0b0t0my]

FR!!! I had a stupid crush on my mom's best friend when I was nine and I told him because I was silly, and he took stepped back, and made sure to make it clear that he's just a cool roommate, nothing else. How did he do that and not a youtuber. I cringe atmyself for having a crush on him, but I'm no longer nine thankfully. But still, how is it impossible for content creators to avoid dating minors💀💀

[@plague9774]

Apparently it’s hard. And me too, they too said no (was like 15 not 11 but still)

[@Juno-14]

I don’t know who Zach was until not too long ago my older cousin explain Zach to me and how great of a guy was how he was Christian and had a lot of good morals at the time she had just got MARRIED and talked about how good he looks and I discussed that I didn’t like him and there was just something off about him. I didn’t like the jokes he made in the way he would act and she kept defending him up until days later, when I would literally start crying when she was spam texting me defending him. i’m really happy you brought this to life so other people can see the truth behind people like this. It’s also such a disgusting matter and not even people of the age of 22 sometimes don’t even realize it.

[@Juno-14]

I was a minor at the time this happened….

[@oliverflower9909]

As someone who was groomed, they’ll say in public and even to close friends that nothing ever EVER happened before 18. They’re lying. Maybe not physically. But they’ll push those boundaries online and through pictures and calls.

[@fixtureofthesun]

Thank you for sharing your experience and i’m so sorry that happened to you

[@virgodem]

"Maybe not physically". Dude, the whole point is that they didn't do it physically. That's not lying, that's being honest. In communication, there are these things called implicit assumptions. That is, things that are assumed but not openly said out loud. In this case, if they're asked if anything ever happened before 18, they will, like most normal people, assume you're talking about something physical.

[@yelhsasokolova8561]

My oldest half-brother tried to groom me and possibly lure me into a bad situation when I was younger. Luckily my mom saw the messages between us and saw the red flags immediately, and put an end to it quickly. I didn't understand what was wrong at first because I was just a kid. It took me many, many years to realize that the situation was extremely inappropriate and that he may have been planning to harm me. I hope this young woman realizes someday that she was groomed. Even though it's clear as day what's happened, the person being groomed just doesn't think anything of it, and may not think anything of it until long after the relationship has happened, if at all.

[@yelhsasokolova8561]

Several years after the groom attempt, when I was still very much a minor, we were chatting on Windows Messenger (early 2000s lol) and he would beg me specifically for pictures of me and my friends "just having fun". Luckily I was old enough to realize how fucking weird of a request that was and why he was asking for it. In both situations, he was a grown-ass adult btw. He knew what he was doing was wrong. He unalived himself in 2017. I still have very mixed emotions about his passing, because he was my brother, but also he tried to prey on me several times and that's just not okay. He struggled with addiction his whole adult life because our dad is a piece of crap, so it's just a very complicated thing.

[@AdderallST44RRR]

Oh my god that’s so fucked up 😰 i hope he’s far away from you and your family.

[@yelhsasokolova8561]

​@ip_SNATCHED He's not alive anymore, and unfortunately I have quite a few more creepy men in my family. A couple of them are also not alive anymore, and the ones that are alive, I went no-contact with. I have 2 children now and don't wish for those kind of people to be in their lives.

[@ashc0r3]

I’m so sorry you went through that, and I hope that you’re doing well. That’s terrible

[@carebear1424]

It’s been going on for centuries young girls getting married off while being 15 to an old man.. when is it ever gonna end ? Poor girls

[@sofiafuentesargueta8036]

Omg I thought you were going to justify grooming for a second there. Grooming is (morally) wrong even if it was legal and normalized in the past

[@emstink]

@@sofiafuentesargueta8036 And it wasn't even really _that_ normal historically either, normal people tended to marry people their own age historically. It was the nobles and the rich who had these bizarre rituals (marrying girls younger than 15 was also UNCOMMONLY rare and frowned upon) and unfortunately the nobles and the rich also happened to be the only literate people, so they created a bit of a distorted view of history.

[@AnotherQueer]

@@emstink And even then, when a grown man was married to a nine or even twelve year old, they didn’t consummate the marriage until the girl was about sixteen which is still way too young, but was considered adult then. It just shows that people (well-adjusted ones that is) never wanted to sleep with children.

[@mississipi1103]

​@@sofiafuentesargueta8036 yes, hopefully there were backlash against this relationships for exemple in 1600's in France, there were a drama show called "l'école des femmes" who speaks about a groomer that wants to marry an orphan girl once she's grown and he's turned into ridicule and (spoiler) the girl run with her same age lover at the end. This drama worked out so much in France that it was played everywhere for years in France and for the king (when we used to have kings ;) ). The popularity of the show showed that people thought it was creepy for an old man to date a young girl even in the 1500's. Groomers always justified that before it used to happen but I don't think it was that much. It was maybe less looked down but still looked down on it if you understand what I mean.

[@alliemarie9526]

My ex boyfriend was a groomer he tried to groom me when I was 14 and he was 22. I only found out the signs through my friends and now I know how wrong it was for our relationship. I thought it was ok and I was in love he would always say we’re just friends but he found me so attractive and wanted to be in a relationship with me but we couldn’t until I was 18. We stopped communicating when I turned 16 cause I finally opened my eyes and saw the signs. And it just is so disgusting how all these celebrities are now getting called out for grooming allegations. This is absolutely gross.

[@kingcobra5148]

First I’m sorry this happened to you. Second I’m surprised how easy guys seem to be able to do this like where is the conscience like do they not have a lil sis of their own or what?

[@meowmeowfuzzyface3698]

What sucks is Indiana won't have this click until she's the same age he was. I was 14 when I had my first boyfriend. He was 19 and actively in college. I turned 15 not long after we started dating and lost my virginity to him not much longer after that. We stayed together until I was 16, almost 17 and he was 21. To this day I feel weird whenever I think about our relationship. How I would never have done the same and don't understand how he ever liked me. I was a child. A very mentally unstable child. I found out that behind the scenes my mom and his mom were always talking and trying to separate us but do it in a way that we wouldn't secretly date behind their backs. His mom was terrible to me and made me feel like I was the problem instead of ever trying to talk to me about WHY she thought our being together was inappropriate. I think about that a lot. How she always tried to blame me and act like I was seducing her adult son.

[@BaeRaeYEA]

I'm so sorry this happened to you, I hope you're doing better now

[@Leoatotis-il9pq]

She’s already 21, Zach was 20

[@icceboxx]

I’m 20 and my little brother is 14. This situation makes me nauseous. My brother is going to high school this fall. He just got his learner’s permit. If he was hanging out with people my age and they were acting like this with him I would be on their ass so fast.

[@chameleon33spam]

7:23 14-year old girl here: no MAN should EVER be ATTRACTED to anyone of my age. we are also super annoying. i genuinely don’t understand it. these are the people that make me uncomfortable when standing in front of a man.

[@Drag0nmaster]

Exactly. Hell, i'm even scared around adult men even though im male (but sorta non binary its complicated.) i'm also 14 (15 in less than a week) and just eugh

[@EdenthelRei]

All attraction is ok. People shouldn't act on it though

[@Scriblyn]

I'm 18 and I'd rather be stuck in a room with a pride of hungry lions than a 14 year old

[@loveisaburningthing]

@@EdenthelReiactually, not all attraction is ok, if an ADULT is attracted to a CHILD😭 puh-lease

[@sunnythemartian]

@@EdenthelRei aw hell naw we got a map up in these comments 😭

[@stopcapping1799]

i was groomed and my groomer also tried to date me when I became “legal”,, I’m 19 now and honestly hearing you go over the warning signs made me realize how terrible and sneaky groomers are.

[@jasminevalencia2576]

I’m 21 turning 22 and I do NOT and I repeat I do NOT find anyone younger than 20 attractive, I know 18/19 are adults but it just feels wrong and icky, so I don’t understand how he could have dated her, it’s so nasty.

[@mathiasnkristensen]

Age gaps are normal. Not saying anyone should date 14 year olds, but there's nothing wrong with a 22 year old dating an 18 year old.

[@we1rdgrrl99]

@@mathiasnkristensen As a 21 year old, I disagree. I've only started feeling like a proper adult in the last year and a half, and 18 year olds already seem childish and immature. Living with someone who barely knows how to be an adult would be a burden, if anything. It's weird AF. I don't want to teach my partner how to be an adult, I want someone I can trust if there are problems!!

[@mathiasnkristensen]

@@we1rdgrrl99 For sure. I'm 20 and wouldn't date an 18 year old. The mental age gap is huge, but I still don't find it wrong when people with those ages date. Like yeah, it probably won't work. You're not really compatible. But I don't think it's weird to find someone 2-3 years younger attractive and I don't blame people for giving it a shot. Sometimes it works out. Some people really are more mature than others. There are literal adults that act like 15 year olds and there are 18 year olds that act like 30 year olds.

[@laraalvarezzz2]

As a 17yo, same. my ex left me for a, at the time, 14 yo. I told him how wrong I tought that was and he just brushed it off and said I was jealous. MY SISTER IS HER AGE. I wouldn't approve ot my sister dating a 17yo so I do not approve of this in any other way. girls support girls. wtf. I still see them in the school hall and I just tend to avoid the situation because it is so atrocious to me. and I have to remind myself this every day because he was my first boyfriend and still only one to date, I still miss him, but fuck him. when I asked for explanation he said to me that he actually knew her since way before knowing me, and to me that doesn't make it better. if you knew somone at 12 when you were 15 you shouldn't be attracted to them!!! I have friends younger than me and they are my chindren. I feel like a mother to them. If you're in high school and she's in middle school you shouldn't be dating. fuck. I'm so frustrated and it's been 6 months already. I hate myself. sorry for the traumadump.

[@we1rdgrrl99]

@laraalvarezzz2 sorry to hear that! The first breakup is always really tough because you've never felt that way before. There can be a lot of confusing feelings, especially if the breakup was messy and you still care about the person. Even more if they end up being awful and you didn't know. Just know that none of this is your fault ❤️

[@bobisu3111]

The fact that the mother normalized and allowed a 21yr old man to live in the same house is just as alarming, and would make it so much harder for Indiana to realize that it was a grooming situation. In order for her to realize that she HAS been groomed she will need to first see that what her mother did was just weird, and then she'd have to feel protective of other young girls in the same situation, and then she'd need to realize that it's ok to defend herself without protecting a man.

[@alishahumphrey4870]

Indiana also said in a vid before her mom was okay with her saying a 17 yo when she was 15

[@bobisu3111]

@@alishahumphrey4870 Her mother should have spoken up by now for both her and Zach, if she really stands by what they say.

[@Em-jj2hp]

@@alishahumphrey487017 and 15 is fine

[@Blondie-21]

“I would say that we should send you back to 7th grade grammar class, but I’d be afraid you’d find your next girlfriend there.” COOPER ATE THAT UP OMGGG

[@deanna5853]

The gaslighting of this man is insane

[@PlutoIsntReal_]

"If you cared" "takes away from real victims" bro gets a B- I can see this manipulation a mile away

[@kipuri4996]

B- is generous

[@PlutoIsntReal_]

@@kipuri4996 😭😭😭

[@evathebuilder]

I used to babysit someone (also six years younger) on a pretty regular basis. Not ONCE did attraction/a potential relationship ever cross my mind. I’d also return to my own house in the evening, like any normal human. This is disgusting.

[@samaraisnt]

that’s cause you’re not sick in the head tbh.

[@evathebuilder]

@@samaraisnt I guess that about sums it up. The individual I cared for is now married.. I can’t imagine grooming a literal child.

[@kora4185]

Ha, and in my case the 12 year old I babysat my whole life suddenly developed a massive crush on 16 year old me and I had to quit them 😫 And when he turned 18 he started to be real serious about it too so I had to speak firmly back. The scary thing is that so many people were like ‘oh what’s the matter, he’s 18 now’. Disgustinggggg!!!!

[@evathebuilder]

@@kora4185 That’s disgusting too. You clearly said no, and even helped raise him (so that would be weird no matter what way you looked at it). I’m sorry about that.

[@muhtorya]

Her mom needs to come out and make a statement bc wtf???? When do we hold her accountable in this? As a mother, LITERALLY INVITING a 20 year old man to VIDEO my underage daughter and LIVE IN THE HOUSE???????????

[@Bishlambo]

This

[@Mahtab.54]

THIS. like does she not realize how creepy that sounds?? Did she not have any thoughts regarding the saftey of her daughter? If i was a mother i would have been terrified of him rping her....like ITS A GROWN ASS MAN. Editing videos of a MINOR. Wich is kind of weird already for the mum to make that happen ,but getting thoes 2 to live together??all the possibilitys??💀

[@roari.]

When I was 13 I dated a someone who was turning 18, I had no idea how gross it was until I turned 17 last year. It really is an issue, groomers are so manipulative.

[@LeftieLoosie]

I was with a 20 year old when I was 14. I saw NOTHING wrong with it. Until I was in my early twenties and then it hit me how disgusting that was. When I was his age and would look at 14 year olds and I would see CHILDREN. Looking back he was so scared and ashamed and that should have been my first clue… but I was a child and I thought it was cool that he wanted me like that. So “just because she doesn’t feel like a victim doesn’t mean she isn’t a victim” is spot on. She will realize it someday…. And when that day comes I hope she can heal. ❤

[@floreya67]

Me too, I hope you're healing ❤

[@lovely._.lobotomy]

turning 18 in 7 days which means i one week left to avoid becoming an underaged victim. wish me luck!

[@mathiasnkristensen]

Being an adult doesn't mean you can't be a victim.

[@lovely._.lobotomy]

@@mathiasnkristensen thats correct, i should’ve specified “underaged” beforehand thx

[@itezwutitez.]

You're all good as far as you stay away from strangers, on the internet specially I am turning 18 next year tho.

[@catherinechase9292]

good luck 🙏

[@trinis8726]

As a 19 year old, I just don't date people 😂👍

[@Adora_bee]

"I would send him back to grade 7 grammar class.. but he might pick up a girlfriend there" goddamn 😭

[@Alan.bruhhhhh]

Underrated asl 😭

[@sadescarroll5819]

Best quote of the video

[@onyx4623]

when i tell u i literally gasped, he ate him up

[@user-wc3ez4kw4l]

Couldn't enjoy the joke. Because he mistook an orthographic error for a grammatical mistake.

[@Katfall2012]

I literally screamed so loud when he said that!

[@hazel.p5]

can we also please talk about how disturbing it is that he convinced her she was a "horrible person" that needed to work on herself and was the reason why they broke up? he's a sociopathic narcissist.. no matter if she cheated or however she betrayed him, she was in a strange dynamic with a grown man who knows more than her, still growing and developing mentally, emotionally, socially, physically, and clearly had trauma that was unresolved prior to zach (that he used to get her emotionally attached to him when he swooped in as a "sweet, caring hero"), and she was then placed in this relationship at 18 (you're still a teen child idc what the law makes it out to be) when your brain is no where close to being fully developed. he interrupted her development........ the crazy part is they NEVER clearly confirmed how she "betrayed him," it's still up in the air, which is SO SUS because what if he just manipulated her into feeling guilty about something but she had every right to be spiraling because of the affects of well, you know, EVERYTHING (WHICH IS WHAT ABUSERS DO). Justice for indiana. this label of shame needs to be lifted off of her, because we have mfs, including toxic masculines and incels, degrading her and she has this stain on her because of it. i don't care if she cheated, she shouldn't have been in that relationship. mf predator PREYED on her... WHERE WAS HER MOM?!? WHY DID SHE ALLOW THIS!? WHO THE FU*K invites a young man to LIVE WITH THEM to edit videos for their daughter!????! and yeah, the 5 signs, him being in that house around the child made her idolize him whether she admits to it or not, and him acting like this kind, sweet, caring "brother" was all a part of the manipulation to get her to be fond of him. he knew he had her teased, he KNEW exactly what he was doing subconsciously, playing this unattainable older boy who lives in her house that she can't be with but who he is very hands on and sweet with, which would make someone want you (GROSS). i don't care if she had a boyfriend before him when she was a minor, he couldn't date her then, it doesn't mean that nothing was happening between her and him just cuz she had a partner. OH and they were DEFINITELY dating before she was 18, he slipped and exposed himself, they just didn't make it publicly official til after she turned 18.. that's why she said they "had to keep it under wraps." why else would they say that, why hide a relationship if there's nothing weird about it....... i actually knew a man like this, a former boss, who admitted to doing this and MARRIED the girl he used to babysit, and told me he was a sociopath. so. anyone who comes across him is a victim. he has people fooled by his "golden retriever charm" where "he's just playing a character when he comes up with and cracks these creepy, offensive 'jokes'." HELLOOOOO everyone said this about SHANE DAWSON and we ALL KNOW what type of person he is....... not to mention how his podcast was DISTURBING ASF, JUST LIKE what zach's is like............... indiana WILL wake up and see, most young people don't see or understand it so it comes through as denial, but they always look back and see as they grow and learn through experiences. i can't imagine how brutal that will be for her, but she will have the support of many. her brain can't comprehend or understand yet, as she is still naive. think about it, she went to therapy and did all this work after being made to think she was the evil problem and had the most perfect boyfriend who treated her so well. she thinks she was the one to blame who ruined everything. what would help is if zach is exposed for how his "sweet, caring, knight in shining armor" is not his personality, but a facade to get people to admire and adore him, and have them fooled, thinking he's innocent and that "he could never be a monster." because she's still in contact with him. it should help shatter people's rose colored perceptions they have of him. but he is manipulative so hopefully they don't continue to fall for it and stand by him. also, he DOES know what he did, he is just scrambling to minimize and diminish it to play it off as if it's nothing. remember when Quen was on the podcast? to zach, she was like i get a weird vibe off of you and your face sum aint right, i don't f with you. she knows, she sees it, and she picked up on it. tara swears he's sweet off set, and oh i'm SURE he is (LOL) but quen said she was skeptical of it when she told her that. she senses it. btw, i've been in an abusive relationship, so i know what narcissistic abuse is like and what these mfs are like. he checks many, if not all, boxes just from what we know so far. and he's the extremely cold and calculated kind. half a red flag is more than enough, always. don't gaslight yourselves out of what you see and feel when it comes to him and others like him. if you ever even have to question or side eye something, then something is DEFINITELY off.

[@TKNDxTeqneqe]

Absolutely Right.. Smhh.. Shit Is Crazy I Watched That Channel..

[@BlazedBay420]

Zach justice was FOR SURE the senior in high school saying "where my hug at"

[@Nicole_Gillian]

😂 that’s so true! gosh, I got the worst flash back to high school

[@EngeneZ19]

thanks collen! Ur "I'm the groomer I'm just a loser" has become a motto for famous people!

[@roxassora2706]

Dj Son vs ukelele daughter

[@rainfuaxuan_]

Zach Justice - what a joke. This guy has built an entire career off of being a "nice guy" and a "good friend," but the cracks in that facade are starting to show. It's absolutely infuriating to see someone with such a massive platform exploit people's trust. The allegations against him are serious, and the way he's handled them isdespicable. Where's the accountability? Where's the remorse? Instead, it's gaslighting, victim-blaming, and a whole lot of deflection. It's clear as day that he's more concerned about saving his own skin than actually addressing the harm he's caused. His fans, the ones who blindly worship him, are just as problematic. Ignoring the red flags, defending the indefensible - it's sickening. It’s like they're more invested in maintaining their idealized image of him than supporting survivors. It's high time the internet woke up and called this guy out for who he really is. No more free passes. No more turning a blind eye. It’s time for Justice (ironic, right?) to face the consequences of his actions.

[@costelloandlloyd]

Everything about this applies to Cody Ko lmao

[@rainfuaxuan_]

@Alixir1228 REAL

[@nunya.bznz.]

His whole sense of humor is degrading to women. Its so clear

[@cosmari245]

@Alixir1228 same i don't watch his podcast but i've seen clips where i j felt put off by him, i thought maybe his humor j isn't my thing but well... i thought he was weird and i was right

[@TKNDxTeqneqe]

That’s The Scariest Part Off All This Because That Was Done On Purpose.. Damn.. You Can See It In His Eyes.. I Know That Sounds Like BS But The Video Of Him Chasing Her.. Smh..

[@alisoncashner28]

I really hope that everything becomes clear to Indiana when she’s older. I really liked one of my teachers who I believed was just a good person to me but years later realized he was grooming me. He tried getting me alone in his car using the excuse “teaching me how to drive” and he’d kiss my head sometimes. He was in his 60s and I was 17. I trusted him, and because he was my teacher and I was going through really bad mental health issues that I needed accommodations for, he knew I was vulnerable. I didn’t even know until years later when in one of my college classes we were discussing the signs of grooming and everything just clicked. I’m very lucky how safely I got out of that, and I hate to think about what might’ve happened if I let him teach me to drive.

[@AlishaHerbiederbie]

As a grown-ass woman, thank you for this video, Cooper. With an audience your size there statistically will be people who have never heard of RAINN or the warning signs of predators.

[@jackandjill3607]

My first reaction to Cody ko situation was "ohh come on, she was 17, she could've said no" and i just realised it was because i was assaulted for years since i was 9 and i still blame myself somewhere. I'm beyond ashamed that i use to think like that. With all these youtubers being harsh with the predators, i just realised i deserve much better. I'm just beginning to realise that what happened was not my fault. It's never the victim's fault.

[@mathiasnkristensen]

Tbh the Cody Ko situation is... eh. In the US the age limit is 18. In almost every other country it's 15-16. Yes, he broke the law, but pedo? Eh.

[@iu.lia.na.]

🙄 ​@@mathiasnkristensen

[@mathiasnkristensen]

@@iu.lia.na. A pedophile is a person who is attracted to children. A 17 year old isn't a child. Should he face consequences for breaking the law in the country that he lives in? Sure. But he can't be classified as a pedophile as he isn't one. What he did was illegal, but a pedophile is much worse.

[@iu.lia.na.]

@mathiasnkristensen you're focused on semantics such as if he can be categorised as a pedo or not when that's not the problem. You go through DRASTIC development, at least as a girl, from 17 to 22-25 (depending on the person). You are still naive, obsessive, easy to manipulate, and it creates an inappropriate power dynamic with a guy his age. I've been a massive cody & tmg fan for like 8 years now and I initially thought the same as you, ok, it's not THAT bad, but God the way he's treating the situation is disgusting. Oh and let's not forget the minor he was it before Tana the year prior.

[@iu.lia.na.]

​@mathiasnkristensen I'm not sure if my comment got deleted, I was saying you're focusing on semantics such as if he can be categorised as a pedo or not when that's not the problem here. At 17 you're easily impressionable, naive, easy to manipulate by a guy his age (who she said she was a fan of, too). That is a very inappropriate power imbalance. Also let's not forget the minor he was with the year before Tana, AND the way he's addressing the situation now. It makes me sad because I've been a big fan since 2016

[@kassdupra4883]

I have a 14 year old son. I am 31. When i got pregnant at 15 y/o his father was 23 y/o ... The amount of abuse I endured ans trauma I'm STILL dealing with it to this day. I wish my mother would have taken a stand instead of letting him move in just because he was giving her money. My mom damn near sold me for rent money.... Life sucks sometimes.

[@spider_wlt]

hope you and your son are doing well, and damn those who hurt you! stay strong queen❤

[@Watts_Up_K8]

Zach: "I promise i would never manipulate a single soul" ...after trying to manipulate the situation with the longest text ever 🙄 😂

[@BigOwl51]

Tara Yummy left the podcast at EXACTLY the right time. Hopefully Jared leaves too because he was lowkey my favorite out of the group.

[@scar.brough]

mine too, hopefully he leaves the podcast because him and tara seem to have a close friendship, especially since jared is dating tara's best friend.

[@ellegrey13]

But wasn't Jared witness to the grooming when Zach and Indiana first got together AND when they were ahem "just friends"? Idk man, he looks like a nice guy but staying quiet about this speaks volumes of ones character. And being besties with the guy.

[@Amanda-gq8dr]

@@ellegrey13I’m not a huge fan of the show, but I think Jared and Zach became friends as adults. iirc, Jared is also 3/4 years younger than Zach

[@mattieyoncha6243]

I never listened to the podcast because of all the videos my feed would serve me of Zach (ironically) making jokes about Jared dating children.

[@ellegrey13]

@@Amanda-gq8dr yeah but I am pretty sure Jared was there as an adult when all that Idiana stuff happened. I really don't know though because I am not a fan of that podcast either

[@rx500android]

I am currently 20. The thought of even getting near a 14 yr old makes me gag tbh

[@mattie2527]

Literally actively avoid them in the grocery store, the only place I see them as an adult 💀 these people are truly disturbed

[@lexigotsas]

Dude actually I look at 14 year olds and I see straight CHILDREN

[@SW33T_V3N0M]

As a 15 yo i respect that

[@electricbaby7315]

fr im 19 and anyone under the age of 17 looks like a fucking fetus to me. wouldn't even go near anyone under 18 with a 10 foot pole, genuinely dont understand how all these grown ass adults are tryna hit with kids. being in a relationship with someone who has the same level of maturity as you is better, in like, every way

[@Bubaiel]

connor pfp!

[@mokshahansika556]

Why does Zack keep contradicting himself , he says zeena is undermining “real victims” when he makes creepy jokes all the time and plays it off as a joke 😭

[@EternalGalaxies]

THIS

[@birdbirdbirdb]

The fact that this dude kept saying oh “Indiana would be ok with this” “Indiana is happy to speak with you”.. bro sounds like he’s the one making the choices for her, yikes

[@deanna5853]

He is controlling her mind!!!

[@conniecontoravdis1258]

Zach reminds me of those kind of attractive but creepy guy in High School that talked to girls in Middle School and then dated them when he graduated because no girls in his grade would date him because they knew he was weird..

[@Kayla-rd5jd]

that’s what i was thinking, he was in his young 20s flirting like a cringey HS boy which makes sense bc she was literally a teenager. he also looks a bit younger like i don’t know of him well but when i did see clips of him, i would’ve thought he was a bit younger than he is so if no one knows if his age, they prolly didn’t think much of it. that & being attractive let him get away w it for way too long, he’s a weirdo esp when he’s pretty popular & could likely date some attractive influencer his own age but happen to chose a girl you knew for years when she was a minor & were supposed to be a brother too more than anything. but also fuck her mom for even allowing this to happen

[@ayaaa.4k]

why does suddenly everyone becomes a pdf file 😭

[@blairperry]

It’s not sudden and to say it’s sudden is dishonest. Most of you have been groomed and play clueless so you’ll feel comfortable having intercourse and kids.

[@Skibiditoiletwatcher53283]

Fr cuz its not that hard to not talk to minors

[@Skibiditoiletwatcher53283]

They be actin like its a life and death situation

[@thesoul2sqeeze]

Wym all these guys were walking red flags

[@floreya67]

Always has been :(

[@irene7121]

The guilt tripping and speaking for Indiana when trying to convince Zina that he’s not a groomer just makes him look more guilty. “If you cared….” “Indiana would be happy to explain this” “Indiana doesn’t want this…” you wouldn’t need your alleged victim to defend you if you knew it could be explained away. It’s giving “she wanted it/was okay with it so it’s okay.” As stated, just cause she doesn’t feel like a victim doesn’t mean she isn’t one. Just like how Tana explained when discussing the Cody Ko stuff…she wasn’t traumatized by it but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t wrong

[@icapolicarpio1376]

why is cody ko being fully widespread cancelled but not zach justice