THAT'S CRINGE: Cody Ko

[@raxidaydreams]

The way Gabbie didn't namedrop Cody but instead mimicked his voice perfectly is telling.

[@brooklynncd]

YES EXACTLY I’ve been thinking this

[@sarahdavis250]

Yo, Gabby low key shouted this out so long ago. I'm glad she respected Tanna not to name him then, but as wild as Gabby was back then, she knew that sht was SO out of pocket.

[@perpetualsick]

Was thinking that too 😭

[@kavlara]

@@sarahdavis250spot on.

[@moni-w9o]

@@sarahdavis250there’s a clip of Tana on Trisha’s podcast a couple of years ago talking about this situation where she’s pretty upset that Gabbie initially tried to sell the story to the press

[@-chenlanying5818]

Why is the "are we good" text the most vaguely treating frat boy move I've ever seen?

[@eveandaedrul]

threatening* Also, agreed ;q especially bringing up his marriage etc..

[@mariya_tortilla]

are we good via text for something like that is mf crazyy

[@ginaawesome7161]

He has been waiting for this from months. Maybe even years

[@KiPisMe]

He only even said anything to her because he was worried about his image. With his wedding coming up. Gross.

[@ozge1913]

yess! as if all he did was to forget her birthday something! like you committed a crime dude. what the f does “ are we good “ mean???

[@samanthacarrier8955]

I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to stay away from minors. They're definitely Not Like Us.

[@asmiforeal]

tryna strike a chord and it's probably...

[@kyla9191]

Sad thing is most women in your life can probably tell multiple stories of being sexualized/ approached by grown men as teens. (I did get the joke just mad lol i knew this shit about Drake like 15 yrs ago as did most of toronto and glad he's finally called out)

[@be.A.b]

They are losers who can’t get women their own age.

[@ShaelynnFockler08]

@@asmiforeal A MINORRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@Londyn-xr8cf]

This is definitely my favorite comment on KZbin

[@HYPNOPOSSUM]

tbf, being a dj is neutral, being a frat boy AND a dj??? there’s no getting around that 💀

[@David-cg1lh]

They should just premeptivly jail you at that point like sorry bruh we all know how this one turns out

[@MichelleD2023]

@@HYPNOPOSSUM Homie was a recruited D1 athlete, then a frat boy, then a Viner turned KZbinr, then a podcaster, then a rapper, then a DJ. I think many, many things have to go wrong for someone to end up like Cody

[@HYPNOPOSSUM]

@@MichelleD2023 and at DUKE no less 💀 truly the worst combination of traits

[@smoothliqour]

you guys can’t forget he was in the tech world too, which is more damning, confirming he has no soul.

[@Mangomochiluvr]

LMFAOOOO

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

For a man to be guilty, he has to have never done a single thing right. For a woman to be believed, she has to have never done a single thing wrong.

[@luvneojen]

So true

[@kavlara]

Yep. True in the judicial system too. It’s heartbreaking and the reason why certain ppl get targeted with this kind of stuff. I speak from my own experiences 👎

[@idkwhattoputheretbhbuthere]

@@kavlara In the judicial system it def goes both ways

[@kavlara]

@@idkwhattoputheretbhbuthere did I say it doesn’t lol

[@idkwhattoputheretbhbuthere]

@@kavlara I know, sorry, I just meant that the judicial system is crap

[@DragicaOfficial]

no one of the bigger channels dared touch this until D'Angelo opened the floodgates. W D'Angelo

[@chrysanthi_]

He was the second person I saw talking about it, but the prospective he had was quite different

[@AlinaProbably]

@@chrysanthi_ Same, I found out through Amanda Todhunter but it was nice to see somebody with a larger following talk about this Edit: in her video she also covered how Cody's friend Colby has ties at Duke's which could have helped sweep the SA allegation under the rug. I don't think D'Angelo mentioned that in his vid

[@soggymay]

I saw Rachel Oates talk about it before him))))

[@soggymay]

More so, what's more enraging is when she was trying to upload it at first youtube kept creating problems for her and demonetising it, so awful. KZbin guidlines suck for real

[@blehhggg]

It’s not a competition

[@loveisaburningthing]

i will literally never understand why it is so difficult for these influencers to NOT message minors😭😭😭

[@Mauddxily]

REAL LIKE WHAT

[@layladavis02]

More than just messaging too😭

[@enceladuscat7637]

Because they think that just because they're popular they can get away with anything😂

[@mapofthesoultagme7143]

Whats wrong with messaging strangers?

[@AnonymousAnimated]

Because what they mean by "messaging minors" is the horrible influencers who can't keep their hands to themselves messaging people under the age of 18 and attempting to act inappropriately.

[@lumiskywalker]

back when i was 16, i was flirting with a 24 yo guy online. i liked his attention during those teenager times bc you know, who wouldnt. now im 22 and i CAN NEVER imagine flirting with a 18 yo let alone a 16 yo… its disgusting how they take advantage of young girls like us

[@mapofthesoultagme7143]

I am 24 and i am asexual but i don't care if others flirt with somebody a few years younger than them

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

​@@mapofthesoultagme7143A "few" traditionally meant around 4 - not 8. I've seen your other replies in the comments section of this video, and frankly they're concerning, and you being ace doesn't change that. I am ALSO a 24 year old asexual, and I understand why it's creepy just fine... To summarize, before someone's 30, a smaller number of years makes a much bigger difference in terms of mental development, because before that point your brain isn't completely finished developing, and the less developed your brain is the easier it is for predators to take advantage of you. Now, since you seem to be having trouble getting this, time for a quick lesson. During childhood, the brain isn't done developing. Around 18-20, most of the brain aside from the frontal lobe - the region in charge of risk assement, emotional regulation, and impulse control - finishes developing. The frontal lobe, on the other hand, isn't dobe until you're 25-30. This, is why teenagers, people in their early twenties, people in their late twenties, and people over 30 tend to behave differently - especially in regards to things under the control of the frontal lobe. Once someone has a fully developed brain, if they want to be in a relationship with someone a decade older than them, it's not that big a deal because their brains are more or less the same developmentally. If someone's frontal lobe isn't finished developing yet though, they aren't on an equal playing feild yet - especially if they're still in the 18-20 range of just barely having the rest of their brain development finished, and it's still a lot easier for older people to take advantage of the fact that they're still young and reckless so to speak, making them easier marks for those with less savory intentions. Not to mention that MOST OF US in our mid 20s still see them as "childlike" even though they're technically adults, and thus would feel weird about seeing them that way. Would I immediately be suspicious of a 22 year old in a relationship with an 18 year old? Depends on the context - if they started dating as soon as they were legal, which is a major red flag that I would find very alarming. If they just happened to meet at school or work or something, that's a lot more reasonable, but still feels odd, so I completely get why many 22 year olds would find the idea of dating someone that young repulsive. (Personally I wouldn't want to date anyone under 20, they're barely even an adult before that point, and might still be developing parts of their brain other than the frontal lobe.)

[@pranavi9762]

@@Amy_the_Lizard dont know u but u ATE the other person up with ur reply 👏👏

[@ps1hagrid786]

​@@mapofthesoultagme7143Asexuality doesn't excuse inappropriate behaviour. I too identify as such, but I also recognise that just because there is no attraction involved, propriety still matters. You cannot mingle with minors as an adult. There's a power dynamic regardless of a complete and utter lack of attraction. A lesbian, for instance, isn't suddenly allowed to message a teen boy because of her disinterest in the opposite sex. It remains inappropriate. Please, stop with comments. You're digging your own grave with all this carelessness.

[@monica3096]

@@mapofthesoultagme7143bet you love drake don’t you 🤨

[@czanealy619]

"I'm not a groomer, just a loser" became a fucking blueprint for these type of youtubers smh

[@Jubeslmao]

At least Colleen even responded 😂

[@Hello-hello-hello456]

@@JubeslmaoHonestly I didn't know someone could make Colleen Ballinger look like a responsible adult

[@inumaeki]

real. it feels like after colleens “groomer jst a loser” thing all youtubers are groomers.. and lying as much as she was

[@FundamentalsOfJoy]

I mean, hey, being a groomer does make you a loser, so they basically are just admitting it😂

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

I'm wondering when people are going to start calling out Taylor Swift for doing pretty much the same thing ... multiple times with different teen boys... once with a boy whose mother had recently died (who would've been vulnerable). But she feels even more untouchable than Cody Ko. I guess when you cultivate a fanbase rabid enough to doxx, send death threats, and try to destroy anyone who even breathes light criticism against you(behaviour she has never condemned) you can even get away with grooming.

[@-chenlanying5818]

This woman can't even talk about her abusive childhood because her father would sue her. Then she got dog piled for talking about being approached in an inappropriate manner when she was underage. Likeable or not, that's really awful and it's almost like her life has had the tone set where she just can't come forward with any form of abuse anymore. No one should have to live like that.

[@cv6442]

I watched a behind the scenes about Tana once, and never thought about her the same. She was very clearly the victim of chronic abuse. I hope she is doing alright with how big this got. 🥺

[@hopa-ys2bc]

She said she was on hookup spree... Sounds like a lot of abuse

[@notamberp]

Even for the people who don’t like her, it’s genuinely delusional to believe that there aren’t imperfect victims, and sometimes even shitty victims, but they’re still a damn victim. Bad things happen to shitty people too, I don’t understand why that’s so hard for some people to grasp.

[@mayathedreamgirl1357]

She's not even problematic anymore. It's been so many years since 2017-2018

[@evasdorling7555]

Her behavior since the beginning of her KZbin career shows signs of childhood trauma. She never had adults protect her and show her what's right or wrong. Even when i was a teen and didn't like her, i could tell and feel empathy. She has never thrown any type of this kind of accusations towards anyone. So even if she is a pathological liar, which is the result of abuse, there's capability of raw honesty, and there's evidence backing her up. The shame and insults that have been thrown at her are unjustified, and her past wrongs dont justify a 25 year old Cody taken advantage of a 17 year old Tana. While i dont think she is a good person, my compassion and support don't stop on people I like o find "morally correct." And i wish people would do the same.

[@sofiav7071]

Being like "we good?" And bringing up his upcoming wedding is such a classic douchebag bro move

[@sofiav7071]

Like making you feel like YOU are in the wrong for calling out their behavior

[@moni-w9o]

Tbh SUCH frat boy behavior

[@ruthie8785]

He’s a frat boy who has probably seen every one of his bros get off scott free after doing the same or worse.

[@moonbeam3431]

Yup. As somebody who got completely screwed over by a frat boy at one point in her life, I can confirm this is their way of saving face.

[@abbyhavenstrite7002]

such a frat boy move tbh...

[@Amber-sc9jp]

As a woman, I am just *tired* of being let down by male creators, artists, etc. I myself have been sexually assaulted, and my trust in men has been low for the past few years. Recently, I was beginning to rebuild that trust, but seeing shit like this is just a huge setback for me.

[@SpaceDementia_]

Same experience here :( couldn't agree more.

[@laurawhittenburg]

+

[@Wiki-qd5ni]

Same

[@ojs5988]

I only recently discovered Cody this year and thought aww he seems somewhat decent, but alas...

[@belle326]

lets be honest, an online career is the dream job for any pedo that wants to traumatize kids... usually you have a large young audience of children who look up to you and you have a direct line of contact to them. your position gives you authority over them and your fame gives you a wall of protection down the road. like how for years fans have attackes TANA for telling her experience, and not him. its so sad but very real, and we need to start making it MUCH harder for online celebs to meet up with their underage fans alone. I dont even understand why its a thing. I watched pewdiepie since I was like 14, and never in his career did I see him have videos with one of his millions of underage fans. its not that hard to have a large following of kids and not interact with him inappropriately.

[@breerea9928]

Ugh this is so disappointing. I'm barely 25, my sister is 16... Imagining hooking up with one of her friends makes me nauseous. Him saying "teach me teenage lingo I'm too old for KZbin" gave me chicken skin.

[@jessicas6931]

Same, I’m almost 24 and my sister will be 18 next month. I can’t stop thinking about how someone my age could see *anyone* who’s 17 as anything more than a literal child -

[@lily8679]

I'm 20 and my sister is 17 and I STILL couldn't ever imagine liking one of her friends

[@anirose25]

Seriously! Like to all the people saying “well 17 is technically 18 and like it’s not that weird” … Imagine this. A 10 year old and a 17 year old. A 3 year old and a 10 year old. 13 year old and a 20 year old. Just because ages start to blend together as we get older doesn’t mean that we can look at in a “normal way” and not thinking about the situation 10-20 year prior

[@CheetahsShampoo]

In my case, I'm the younger one... But seeing my brother with someone my age gives me absolute chills. So disgusting, EUH. I doubt he would want to date anyone who's younger than him either, considering how my dumbass acts...

[@bluebird_618]

I’m 31 and when I looked up an actor and saw he was 20 I audibly said, “oh, he’s a child.” People who go for much younger partners are so weird and are trying to take advantage of the situation.

[@BiaG1910]

It's perfect how in that old ass clip Gabbie doesn't say the name of the influencer and then goes on to make the most spot on Cody Ko impression I've ever seen

[@bleepindeadalienbody]

SERIOUSLY lol it kills me every time. "OH, my god,"

[@hippyhair1920]

That’s exactly what I thought

[@divyamohan_]

My friend and I were literally talking about that impression! It was so spot on!

[@Blake1720]

Honestly Gabbie should have came out because he has so many teen fans. Even if it is Tana’s story, which I get but there’s a bigger picture here.

[@oreolover9321]

​@Blake1720 because she's a rapist apologist

[@greenland_shark_2009]

I hate how when cody ko did inappropriate things with minors, cody ko doesn't apologise, but when sketch did consensual things with other consenting adults who happened to be men, he had to apologise. god, the internet is a hellscape.

[@Clown_Curry]

Exactly!! It feels like no one is even talking abt the Dr. Disrespect thing or even this, but Sketch’s whole situation is all the focus

[@ashleyw6160]

💯💯💯

[@DropDread]

I feel very bad for Sketch, it was totally uncalled for

[@greenland_shark_2009]

@@Clown_Curry yeah, and it's downright homophobic that we care about this more than, I don't know, LITERAL FUCKING CRIMES

[@baoziday5178]

His best friend literally posted a video of himself crying because Sketch almost took his own life due to this situation ☹️ And then stupid Sneako had to comment on it like an idiot

[@Bruh-lb5yf]

Him evading accountability is causing harm to his wife and his victim. This is beyond ignorance, this is cowardice.

[@goopbuni]

i agree and there is no excuse. however, i do have a potential explanation. I believe it is because he just got married recently and is still going through the process of gaining US citizenship and admitting to a criminal act (addressing it) could jeopardize that

[@Areyouafraidofthedarkkuk]

THIS, How do I @ him rn

[@xoxocessa]

Truly.

[@krystencabbage1032]

I'm glad Gabi said "a guy" instead of name dropping him, because as much as she played a role in this story, it's Tana's story to tell and name the perpetrator in my opinion. I believe in allowing victims to tell their stories on their terms, and I'm glad Gabi respected Tana in that way.

[@shirendjorgee9320]

And it makes Tana’s claims more believable because Gabi wasn’t even trying to expose Cody or reveal his name, yet her story lines up with Tana’s despite the anonymity.

[@peachy_lili]

Exactly. A lot of normies think if somebody has had any controversy that means they should never be believed, but smart people know that it's sometimes the liar who is known who has the most truth to share. It's about context.

[@JasonToddsThighs]

If only she could've had that same respect towards Jessi 😮‍💨

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

… And then she tried to sell the story to an outlet, according to Tana. Yes, she did the bare minimum by trying to warn Cody off but I’ve seen way too many people give far more credit to Gabbie than she’s due. Let’s not forget how she treated Jessi Smiles and her story. She doesn’t actually care you guys. I’d hate to see people come away from this thinking she was some kind of misunderstood girl’s girl all along as if she doesn’t have a well-documented history of tearing other women down.

[@camdenhunt7565]

@@chiefpurrfect8389 Right and that was something that she never apologized for harassing Jessi Smiles while the trial was going on, not believing her female friend and picking her male one that was the perp OVER her female friend. We should probably never forget that Gabbie Hanna is a rapist apologist.

[@__mika84]

holy shit cody saying he's "too old" to know her teenage slang is a WILD clip

[@ilayda5758]

And the fact that his age and his lack of knowledge about slangs were joke material for us... doesn't feel like a joke anymore

[@__mika84]

@@ilayda5758 it’s not a joke! I’m Cody’s age, they definitely had no way to relate to each other. He just wanted to fuck a 17 year old fan.

[@ruthie8785]

“HA HA! You TEENS and your TEENAGE TEEN slang. I am very aware that you are a TEENAGER almost as if I am INTRIGUED and ALLURED by it as I am an OLDER MAN and you are a TEENAGER and I have MORE LIFE EXPERIENCE and can MANIPULATE YOU EASILY!”

[@ashh651]

this!!!! freaking gross

[@Moonchild15225]

@__mika84 Yeah a pretty big self-call out

[@sammich_uwu]

Nah he won't retire. Remember the Miranda Sings ukelele situation? Of course you do. She took a few months break and is right back to the grind. These creepy losers never go away

[@cashout893]

At least her apology was original. Cody Ko should make a remix or something to surpass that

[@colettechidalek4032]

Same with Shane smh

[@こんとる-k3b]

Miranda's audience usually consist of people who doesn't use internet much to know about her problem, or too young to know how wrong her actions were. But Cody? The progressive guy who hates cringe tiktok content? Yeah i doubt it

[@JaneToe848]

It's crazy to think that instead of being in jail, her and Cody went on to make millions of dollars (and will probably continue to do so.)

[@OohLaLaurie]

And their creepy minions keep on supporting them.

[@bulgogibongs]

Ive liked cody for a long time, and disliked tana for a long time, but when I heard about this I instantly unsubscribed from and unfollowed cody. Im hella disappointed.

[@cuntnuggett]

Same. I liked his THAT'S CRINGE series and him with Noal. But no. Not anymore.

[@cuntnuggett]

Shit my bad, Noel

[@bulgogibongs]

@@cuntnuggett Yess I loved their kombucha king videos ugh, Never gonna be the same. cody was one of my comfort youtubers.

[@cuntnuggett]

@@bulgogibongs dude, fr. i found his personality likeable, but after his allegations dropped and they were proven to be true, I dislike him now. Uughh

[@belle326]

yap. I wish everyone reacted that way. every time a story like this breaks open, besides the massive disappointment about the person who did it, I am reminded again of how disappointing our entire society is, where people like that are not just exiled to eternal shame. so many people literally defend him. its so insane

[@britneyball9004]

It’s becoming really depressing how majority of comfort the creators I watch have come out to be the worst people. It genuinely gets me questioning EVERYONE

[@jasminemarie5431]

they tell us, our faves are the worst people

[@g3n3r1c6]

never meet your heroes ig

[@Deus_ex_lucifina]

The people in your life are people you know personally, and you should be able to trust your judgement around them. But celebrities/influencers…we only see the filtered version of themselves that they give us. Whenever I feel this way, I know it’s time to stay offline for awhile.

[@alleycat2297]

frankly i’m also questioning channels like this that are just repeating everything that’s already been said.

[@userx-s4o]

@@alleycat2297 why? it brings more attention to it

[@-chenlanying5818]

I also think many people are forgetting the very real power imbalance; a teenage girl who was an up and coming influencer, who was a fan of his. Whether she has a 'reputation' or not, it is not okay and should never be justified. No one, including those you don't like, deserves to be taken advantage of.

[@jc2604]

What a stupid comment. If you think a power imbalance is improper then no relationships could exist because what relationship has exactly symmetrical power between the two people?

[@DawnKellyMedia]

Exactly.

[@JennRighter]

Also a teen girl addicted to drugs from a broken and abusive and neglectful household.

[@bella395]

Thank you! I feel like no one is talking about the power imbalance here, being his massive influence and her being so new to everything

[@ajs_sam]

For everyone saying Tana was of consenting age (over 16), pay attention to Cody's response when Gaby told him about Tana's age at the time. He clearly knew it was wrong. That's why he said, "Thanks for telling me." But he still went and did this. This clearly shows he didn’t care that what he was doing was wrong.

[@aaliyah7792]

Also, for states that do have the Romeo and Juliet laws, the maximum age gap is 2-3 years depending on the state so it would've still been illegal.

[@Dhdjksjsnsnsnnsnsna]

Also, consenting age is a legal concept and a lot of countries have different ages,,,,,, her being of cOnSEnTinG aGe still doesnt make it morally right or societally acceptable.

[@NextDavidAttenborough]

Also, it doesn't fucking matter what the consenting age is! why is a 25 year old man sleeping with a 17 year old girl, who's age he very well knows? (not at you guys DW)

[@riddlesangerissues3127]

@@aaliyah7792 Those Romeo and Juliet laws are for those under the age of consent. If the age of consent is 16 then those Romeo and Juliet laws apply for those 15 and younger. And only 25 states have Romeo and Juliet laws. But that doesn’t matter because other people are saying this happened in a state where the AOC is over 18.

[@thaloblue]

It also doesn’t matter what they think. The sex happened in the State of Florida, where the age of consent is *18. I don’t care and neither does the government if the age of consent is 34. If it is a felony in the area to fk, then don’t fk!

[@MaisieIsAwesome]

The whole situation really reminds me of “Promising young woman” and the idea that the “nice” guy is just as likely as anyone to be a predator. Super disturbing stuff 😢

[@tteokbokkibxtch]

Exactly. I love that movie. These types of dudes just carry on with their lives, getting married, having kids, and giving each other props for being such "good guys". Emerald Fennell captured that sinister frat bro masculinity so well.

[@-sep7684]

oh my god really :( I was a huge fan of cody's, and thought of him as a genuinely nice person.i'm super sad and shocked

[@koyalchengappa7746]

YES and THAT movie👏

[@shooshoo4590]

I thought of that movie when I heard about Cody messaging her and mentioning his wedding. It lines up so well with the ending of that movie.

[@crypticcryptid4702]

THE N-WORD APOLOGY WAS A TEXT NOTE????

[@johnkim5053]

On his patreon 💀💀💀

[@bkk1996]

A pay walled text note 🚮

[@janehoe.]

IN ALL LOWERCASE

[@ruthie8785]

A PAYWALLED TEXT NOTE LIKE

[@Jirangaaa]

im not defending him at all but that n word vine was at a time when Idubbs made saying the n word "socially acceptable" to young white males. idubs has since seen the backlash this has had on the internet and apologised for normalising it. but yeah that was a fuced up time and fucked for cody

[@jubiilee-]

“thats not cringe - thats criminal” OH SHIT WE’RE GETTING DEEP TODAY

[@Hypoanimations24]

Cooper has once again dropped a Kendrick level diss video

[@hadleyjeniffer]

REAL

[@buhgioolppppo]

Ok swoop

[@mackenzieayuso3926]

Im sorry I thought we knew we would get deep if he posted a second time this week

[@markipliertrash1562]

SO true

[@jasmineindoors]

Shoutout to D’Angelo for bringing this issue to light. Cody Ko has a giant platform and he’s just silent. Sus

[@Lilly_King]

*first big name, I've definitely been seeing a few videos from smaller commentary channels. To the point that I thought it was old news because of how many videos there were. I only just realized it wasn't even talked about by bigger creators when D'Angelo mentioned it

[@meaning-mcmeaning]

H3 talked about it a month ago.

[@Lilly_King]

@user-xr7ci8tf3e cooper who? I'm not familiar with them

[@Fluttershys_bong]

@@Lilly_Kingfilm cooper bruh

[@Lilly_King]

@@Fluttershys_bong oh I thought it would be another Cooper. It just confused me because this is the Film Cooper video. So it'd be kind of weird to delete a comment about a topic and then make a video about that topic the next week. Idk

[@Shinyloaf]

i think i’m starting to realize tana mongeau is older and she got pushed into youtube to young and got put into adult things at a teenager and now that’s she’s older she’s smarter and i actually like her and it’s sad how people abuse her. 😢

[@angelicfrogsss87]

yeah I think she really is a lot smarter than people give her credit for!! I mean she's owned up to all of her mistakes and is able to talk about things in a way that most influencers probably couldn't

[@vlinnstone6919]

oooorrr she's just a dumb person who's obsessed with attention and always have been lol i seriously don't get how all of y'all are taking what she's saying so seriously

[@kaydiglawson7767]

I don't think she was pushed into youtube. I think it was her choice. I think she didn't have much parental guidance and had a rough childhood. She used it to make her channel grow, but she gained a reputation from it. As she has gotten older, I agree that she sees just how rough it was for her. I like her too. I think she is very street smart and has enough book smarts to make a good living.

[@rileykennedy4273]

Reminds me of child actors and the trauma and stuff they have to go through

[@toidIllorTAmI]

Just like JoJo but people make fun of her.

[@abook2141]

"it's tana" when theres literally no such thing as a "perfect victim." like just bc you dont like her, her trauma isn't valid to you all of a sudden?

[@lazylurker2842]

And a hypersexual person is more likely to get taken advantage of by people like this, people really need to get that in to their heads

[@BigAlexgator]

That’s what makes me so mad about Brittany Broski

[@froggy5748]

@@BigAlexgatorwhat happened with her?

[@pogpurin]

for example, even if someone isn't a great person, it doesn't take away from the fact that a horrible thing happened to them. it doesn't take away from someone being a victim. in fact bad things happening to someone can be a reason why they may be acting more recklessly in life too. that's such a gross mentality to have. just because someone may not like someone, suddenly it doesn't matter if *that* happened to them, thats not right, its still traumatic to go through no matter who you are.

[@BigAlexgator]

@@froggy5748 she only responded on Instagram and saying _if_ it’s true then she’s disappointed because she has a weird ass beef with Tana. Meanwhile Cody Ko is on her “royal court” or whatever that series is called. Which I love! But like I need her to do better than that or I’m over it.

[@AndromedasLight17]

Tana saying she doesn't feel traumatized is because she's been forced into silence her whole life. She's downplaying her trauma because she doesn't want to stir the pot but, she still needs to talk about it, clearly. The power imbalance between a 25yo man who is capable of renting a car, getting a credit card, is able to vote & go to bars vs. A child who is still in HIGH SCHOOL, got her license a year ago, and still lives with her parents is so apparent. He's a predator.

[@julissavalencia1751]

Not only that but she says she was a HUGE fan of his already! Also I’m gonna be 25 in 2 months and I can’t imagine being friends with a 17 yo… I’m married and having my first child soon, a 17 yo rn probably just graduated high school and is either starting first year of college or first time having a full time job😭

[@sarahdavis250]

You nailed it. So not only was she silent bc she didn't realize how fkd up it was at the time, now his fans and her haters are being fk heads to her. Claiming she's a liar, she isn't a victim bc they hate her, etc. She didn't even say it to blast him about how wrong he was, it was an off-the-cuff remark. Idc how problematic she was in her past or present, she deserves respect and a fat apology from his predator a$$

[@Tilleyforever44]

You can’t really tell someone how they feel or should feel about a situation. As someone who has had a lot of similar experiences to Tana, I understand where she’s coming from. At the time, it felt good. Being noticed and “chosen” by people you look up to. But looking back, it’s not traumatic… it’s disgusting. At the time we didn’t understand why it was happening. Now we do. It doesn’t mean it has to traumatize us, just that it recontextualizes it & we know better now. The best we can do is talk about it & try to help other young people not fall into the same situation.

[@spamasparagus]

Tana also just turned 26, in my experience, you don’t categorize those as traumatic memories until you get to the age of the adult men that screwed you. So it kinda makes sense she’s just unpacking it now

[@MaryB-p6r]

9 year age gap exists

[@mcplestreet]

i think that gabbie being the cooperating witness is really powerful. her and tana have a history of NOT getting along, and not getting along when tana was still a very young adult. we know how gabbie is okay with speaking about victime she’s not on good terms with, so i think considering that it’s really interesting for her to still be very put off by that

[@Binstabih]

Literally yeah, Gabbie loves to get every side of the story so Cody lying to her must’ve been creepy as hellll

[@4RILDIGITAL]

Hearing all the detail is frankly shocking. It's disappointing when someone you admire turns out to be not who you thought they were.

[@anotherinternetidiot6300]

Parasocial relationship lesson learned?

[@redactedvt7873]

@@anotherinternetidiot6300while yes this can be a good lesson on being careful with parasocial relationships it doesn’t change the emotions we will feel when things like this happen and come to light. sometimes we admire people for how they show themselves, and sometimes we’re wrong about who they were. It happens in real life a lot too not just online.

[@Kanute-es9ob]

I'm genuinely so disappointed and disgusted at how well the N word situation and his frat boi bestie situation was hidden, to the point where I only started watching him over the past year or so and thought he was genuinely unproblematic, when in reality he is literally Bo Burnhams character in Promising Young Women! I think D'angelo Wallace was bang on it when he said in his video that it's indicative of a much larger problem on youtube and how commentary has become a "boys club" (I'm not including you in this, you are for the girls and the gays, and I'm so happy you spoke out about this) but the fact its taken this long to blow up is concerning.

[@phoenixgirl70]

Yes it’s exactly like Promising Young Woman. I’ve read comments saying the old platitude that’s b.s. cause it rarely ever happens, that Cody has “learned and grown” since then. No. He had that dude in his wedding party. And if I was Kelsey and found all this out, I’d be gone. Who knows how many underage girls he’s hooked up with at Vidcon or anywhere? People think he’s a “family man”. Lots of family men cheat ffs. He’s used Kelsey as a shield for a while now, and if ppl complained about anything like his videos being sssniperwolf quality just pumping out garbage to bring in the money he’d say “guys I’m gettting married and will have a family soon” guilt trip.

[@Elina.Clavelli]

I came here looking for someone to make this exact Promising Young Woman reference 💯

[@kyla9191]

same. I feel manipulated and grossed out. Like D'angelo said it was just Cody's branding and marketing not real beliefs. Thought a Canadian boy could do me proud but turns out he's an Alberta proud boy.

[@cece-tp6zq]

There’s also the fact that one of his old frat brothers SA’d someone and he’s still close friends with him. After I found that out I stopped watching him

[@sodiumsodiumsodium1109]

And he had him at his wedding!

[@AdderallST44RRR]

Hot take but frat bros set us back in society 😂

[@janesays1278]

@@sodiumsodiumsodium1109 and not just at his wedding… literally in his wedding party! That’s how close they are!

[@Mckinley-mick]

Yeah! Just like he said in the video... it's crazy.

[@__L__837]

@@AdderallST44RRRnot a hot take, we could do without them

[@lythyboo]

U don’t have to be traumatised to understand u were taken advantage of.

[@BeastieGrrl]

True

[@jennipoli4179]

This is true

[@mollymurphy548]

Honestly your take on this gave me so much validation 😅 when i was 17, a 26 year old took advantage of me and i blamed myself forever. I love this!

[@mxttitude]

i'm so sorry you had to go through that :(

[@emilyflavell1658]

I'm so sorry that happened to you, but I'm glad you're realising the it wasn't your fault. There is nothing a minor can do to justify or deserve being abused.

[@Cherr-ies-]

It is truly disheartening to cross paths with people like that. My first experience with one was when I was on a holiday with my family. I was 17 at the time and a 25 year old, who had come to work with his girlfriend at the resort and pretty much had access to the whole place, ended up being really fucking creepy with me on the dance floor one night (my mom was next to me the entire time and I was wearing baggy jeans and a hoody but he still acted the way he did). The entire time I had left on that holiday I spent being anxious af to bump into him. I was afraid to go to the restaurant 😭. Even though he did not go any further than words and weird ass behavior I felt deeply hurt. Those people are just weirdos without much moral values.

[@Areyouafraidofthedarkkuk]

It wasn't your fault, endlessly proud of you!

[@xoxocessa]

it was HIS responsibility to not pursue you. You were the child.

[@SH-cm5hw]

Cody is giving “where my hug at” in the videos with tana

[@JuleNitsche]

omgggg true

[@bugparty]

he kinda just perpetually radiates that

[@zippityzoop1478]

Those old videos are what rly sold me on him being a tool. I really do hope he’s changed and stuff, but seeing how much of a schmuck he was in those really solidified that I didn’t want to watch him anymore

[@bugparty]

@@zippityzoop1478 the videos with tana were definitely the nail on the coffin. i mean it’s like.. egregious and DISTILLED.

[@Icommitwarcrimestoo]

Girl hug with kevin?

[@goldenn819]

This whole situation reminds me of the concept of “the perfect victim” where people want anyone who comes forward to talk about their experience to have a squeaky clean past. Pisses me off

[@MegJuniper]

This this this this this!!!! Did Baby Reindeer teach us nothing!?😭 there’s no such thing as a perfect victim !!!!!

[@swampsprite9]

I always thought his wife seemed considerably younger than him. She probably isn't but it could be a reason he's attracted to her.

[@courtneyj9961]

@@swampsprite9she’s three years younger than him lol not really that crazy

[@thelonestar-l9n]

@@courtneyj9961They mean appearance wise.

[@Karmala-ki5ue]

Even if you were a fan of someone, it doesn't make him less of a predator. Same thing with Tana being the victim and simultaneously the less publicly favored.

[@こんとる-k3b]

Yeah, i like watching his video, but man, he is messed up if the allegation is true

[@avrillavignefanclub1927]

like obviously younger people will look up to someone older, more independent, more mature and smart, but why the fuck a 25 yo would want to have any kind og relationship with a teen? i am 21 and i would feel weird with 17 yo, we are on different levels in life, im in colledge, living by myself, having to worry about job and money, and 17yo is starting highschool (at least where i live) and is living with their parent, is just starting to be an actual adult, why would i want to be with 17 yo?

[@avrillavignefanclub1927]

im not saying 17 yo cant be mature but i definitely think she is in her most reforming years of her life, why would i, someone who is living and adult life, would want to be with someone who is still a kid

[@regular_bee]

It makes it even more predatory, there's not only an age power dynamic, but she admires him and would be more willing to do stuff w him to make him happy and not disappointed in her

[@cece-tp6zq]

He’s always been questionable and tries to push off the nice guy persona in his videos, after I found out some things about him I had to unsubscribe. I used to be a huge fan but not anymore

[@giannacarter9711]

there’s miserable poetry in the way her clips are showing. i know she’s not permanently traumatized by this, but god my heart breaks for tana

[@Areyouafraidofthedarkkuk]

Just for Tana and justice for all ✊🏼

[@Theotheghost-]

Calling moistcr1tikal, moisture had me on the ground laughing

[@miskats]

You know you're in trouble when they use your legal name!

[@The_Winsome_Pixie]

Moisture is his new name as far as I’m concerned

[@nivetha6167]

Yeah😂I was listening to this, and for a second, I was like “Moisture? What-who’s moisture????”

[@jacobmendoza3565]

It’s not that funny

[@dazz4082]

i hate his guts he ruined the word "moist" for me

[@emilymurphy4995]

When Tana said that ‘even though she doesn’t feel traumatized she knows it manifests in different ways and it doesn’t mean it’s not a trauma’ (I’m paraphrasing) that was SO VALIDATING AND TRUE Edit: im so glad other people feel validated by this and I hope more people focus on what Tana said here. A lot of people in the replies, including myself, relate to that sentiment based on past experiences, and I hope you all know you’re amazing ❤️ and if you related, you are NOT defined by what some prick did‼️‼️

[@needless974]

I feel slighly seen. Things have been done to me that should be traumatizing and do sound tramatizing to others but it oddly isnt

[@sseraphim2818]

I resonate with that so hard.

[@selfishpixie]

Thats exactly feel about mine

[@peachy_lili]

as someone who had issues with Tana in the past, she got me right in the heart with that one. I am currently dealing with 'stress' according to my doctor but have had absolutely no idea. high blood pressure, silent panic attacks. "trauma lives in the body". Tana has gotten so wise and funny and well-behaved the past few years, it's wild how little recognition she's gotten for that.

[@Karensmclarenn]

I was kind of astounded when I heard her say that because it was incredibly honest and insightful. I agree with her

[@jamsssssss]

everyone was so ready to dogpile on dr disrespect but not cody ko because “it’s tana”. gross

[@purplelily7764]

D’Angelo once again has made a video that is going to start the beginning of a larger backlash on shady creators whose crimes have been in the open but not quite known

[@BethyOsSpongebob]

the kdot of youtube

[@JeanneBook]

It seems that his always just uprooting sole things, must be hard.

[@elizabethpeebles3393]

“It’s not a cancellation, it’s consequences.” ….chef’s kiss 🤌🏻

[@maclainenoxon4586]

Never did I think I’d see the day I’d take Tana Mongeau’s side over Cody Ko’s, but it’s been a wild week in the USA.

[@aperson7511]

One question the lat big tana controversy was ages ago

[@ick.zosted]

Dude fr. I'll admit I've never really liked tanas personality & I've watched cody for yearssss, but I believe her & I'm so fucking disappointed in him. This week has been bananas 😮‍💨

[@thesingerintheshower]

Lol

[@mayathedreamgirl1357]

@@aperson7511 Exactly.

[@Binstabih]

Which is wild now knowing Cody said slurs and acted messy too he just never apologized like she did

[@Olivia-cz8ez]

I just want to add that TM did not look older than 17

[@kulsoomfaheem6693]

Exactly! She looked like a child, she looked young. Cody was a fucking creep

[@danielatorres9169]

No yeah, bc growing up, I watched Tana(like 12-14) and thought “wow she looks like 21”. Now at 19, I look back and go Jesus Christ she looks like a child, 17! Like wtf Cody

[@NaudVanDalen]

She looked exactly 17.9 years old.

[@Olivia-cz8ez]

gabbie saying that in the clip from her pod was so absurd to me. she's victim-blaming. it doesn't matter what she looked like.

[@laurapotpie]

Well she was 18 at least she was at the alleged event they say it took place. She's born June 98 and playlist live was September 2016.

[@bebeenderson7863]

I can resonate with being young 17 turning 18 and feeling like “I’m almost an adult, it’s fine” and not really carrying the trauma of being with an older man. 17 is a WEIRD transition stage for a young woman..but I also understand why there are laws against it because there just has to be a cut off age. No matter how the 17 year old feels..YOU are an adult. So if you know her real age, and you know she’s a minor, make the adult decision and reject her(or his) advances 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@trixxsaurus2386]

I actually love how that clip of Gabbie Hana's recounting of the event has her imitate the stupid way Cody talks, like there is no room for chance that she's referring to someone else

[@-chenlanying5818]

For clarification, the presence of a witness who is willing to corroborate the story BEFORE any talk of a lawsuit comes up is what is especially strengthening to a story. Nobody even asked Gabbie - she just told the story of her own volition, unrelated to any Cody or Tana video.

[@cindychatzi6842]

Also tana and Gabbie aren't even friends and they haven't been in a long time

[@Eszz1ro]

Idc bout the “she was 18 in that video so it was legal” argument, even if she is 18, it is still so morally wrong for 25-26 year old man to still be flirtin w a girl who just turned 18.

[@BE-ew2pt]

I'm literally 21 and can't see myself dating an 18 year old, MUCH LESS a 17 year old. There's a huge emotional and mental divide in that gap.

[@vitoisadoll]

exactly! like it's still an abuse of power. she was so, so young and insecure and he completely knew that. she also was a *fan* of his!! it's so gross that he took advantage of a teenage girl for sex being a grown ass man

[@mandypandy9587]

She was like a month in to 17, he is gross

[@mandypandy9587]

​@@michaelhernandez7978idk, I feel like 20 and 30 is iffy just me but a lot better then teenager. When you get to 30 I think you will get the perspective to decide because maybe it did hurt you

[@SarahraeLivingLife]

​@mandypandy9587 Actually, if you do the math, it happened at Playlist live. She wasn't 17 yet...

[@KazıklıMaria]

i love how you’re so triggered by the smallest stuff like the background SSSSSS. the thumbnails. the NOSE PICK. i knew i wasn’t alone in these microagressions. immediately subbed.

[@cyahnaa]

Damn. Thats actually so heartbreaking. You have to genuinely be sick to look at a teenager sexually at 25.

[@mapofthesoultagme7143]

I am asecual but i don't think 25 is much older than a teenager

[@BIIBIIBIIBIIS]

@@mapofthesoultagme7143😟

[@thefemalefuture1]

@@mapofthesoultagme7143 ? lol

[@gaybatgosqueak]

​@@mapofthesoultagme7143bruh continuing to say this is really weird. You should stop and do some self evaluation

[@hogant.551]

What about 18 and 19?

[@mahbluebird]

"it was like 8 years ago, it was so long ago!" So you agree? that there's an impossibly vast experience gap between two people born eight years apart?

[@mapofthesoultagme7143]

In my opinion anything less than 10 years is a small age gap for people

[@jellyxfishx]

​@mapofthesoultagme7143 so there no difference to you and it's fine for a 26 year old man to be with a 16 year old kid? That's fkin gross lmao

[@multijxde1855]

@@mapofthesoultagme7143yeah no, depends on the ages

[@ruthie8785]

@@mapofthesoultagme7143 Yeah, for like, a 35 and 45 year old? You are both pretty settled adults by then. Don’t pretend this isn’t extremely different.

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

​@@mapofthesoultagme7143 Depends on the ages of the people involved. 18 year old and a 10 year old? Horrific, plain and simple. 48 year old and a 40 year old? Perfectly fine.

[@Bay4G]

I've seen plenty of influencers who turned out to be weirdos. But this is the first time it's someone I used to love watching. It might sound parasocial but I feel very betrayed as a long time fan.

[@DankrumStar]

I understand completely. Some creators and their videos feel like a “safe space” so when it turns out to be the opposite it feels like a betrayal. These kinds of things also always make me think “what do we not know about?” This is just one thing that’s public… who knows what other disgusting things he’s been a part of.

[@mikaylarose8198]

This is totally valid. I remember when the Ned from The Try Guys thing happened. On the first podcast episode afterwards they said we had every right to feel sad and betrayed. And to not let anyone shame us for that. Sure it might have been parasocial but it was still meaningful nonetheless. And it does go both ways in a sense. Although they don’t know each of us individually, we provide them with support and help them pay their bills. And as long as you’re not the kind of fan who believes they TRULY a know their favorite creator, are stalkerish and violate boundaries, there’s no issue. Creators have to work to gain our trust and when that is taken away, we will feel a sense of loss and that’s okay.💖💓💖💓

[@strawberryfox8819]

Well, first time? This is actually one of the few I never watched. I know it hits hard but please know that it says nothing about you as a person because you couldn't know. Also, you'll feel better in no time. Parasocial relationships dwindle quickly if you stay clear of the person.

[@rebby2.2]

bro i found him like 2 months ago and had binged so many of his vids 🙁 feeling let down

[@lilym_p]

no fr. i binged his videos regularly, and i felt my heart physically drop when i saw all the Cody ko controversy on my feed. im so disappointed and just plain sad.

[@-desi-9987]

NOOOOOO. Dude WHY? I’ve been watching Cody for a long time. I’m so devastated. I had no idea I feel so bad for that girl and HIS WIFE.

[@vmageebryant]

SAME! I just found out about this and I’m so upset. this is just horrible, and I feel bad for Tana. :(

[@SiiiBaby]

The poor child too

[@DashiGurl]

when you have Tana bringing up this terrible event that took place and GABBI HANNA of all people, telling cody to do the right thing, I am flabbergasted. the rug? Pulled. Fucking hell why do men disappoint

[@Dvgteeth]

Especially because Gabbie is a straight up r^pe apologist lmao

[@charliegibson4016]

When gabbi and Tana seem mature, you know you fucked up. It’s like when Trisha paytas was actually responsible and mature during the Colleen situation.

[@maggie3842]

Also I'm pretty sure those two hate each other which adds another layer of credibility to the story in my opinion. If they agree, this definitely happened (not that I doubted it before)

[@undercover_idiot]

It also explains why Cody made such a big thing of shitting on her on his channel.

[@emilyslicer2843]

I’m just so disappointed in him and so heartbroken for tana The way she wasn’t even traumatized as much because she’s been through worse just made me want to cry,

[@aarishowton8037]

Idk, I’ve been sexually assaulted while extremely high on weed twice by the dealer- only reason I don’t call it r*pe is because I’m not confident I actually said the word ‘no’ (this was 7 years ago) and because it didn’t really traumatize me like that either. I wish he had used a condom because I barely knew him but I never had PTSD from it or anything, I just felt annoyed and vaguely grossed out. It wasn’t a matter of me having gone through worse- all I had really dealt with to that point was bullying and partners cheating- it was just a matter of me not viewing sex as this big serious thing to begin with. During it I just felt like “ugh, this is boring and annoying”, and after the fact I was just like “wish I didn’t have that body on my body count”. All this to say, just because society deems something generally traumatizing doesn’t mean every victim finds it personally traumatizing, and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with past trauma.

[@Chunky_cat]

​@@aarishowton8037 Just because you didn't technically say 'no' doesn't mean it's not r*pe. I'm sorry that happened to you ❤

[@hwatinyy]

Also Tana and Gabbie don’t have a great relationship at all and fought constantly while filming escape the night, so if the whole situation is a lie and didn’t happen in the first place, then why would Gabbie have even defended Tana back when it happened?

[@CymruPhoenix]

i'm glad you touched on Tana actually looking her age when she was 17, too many people giving Cody an out by saying she looked older, she absolutely didnt. I'd even say she looks younger, if I didnt know she was 17 in those clips i'd guess she was 15. Also think people are being way to kind to Kelsey and Noel. They have both known about the Tana stuff and the rapist best friend and have never said anything and still have a relationship with him.

[@ulisessalduna4351]

I would say that she looked just a bit older than she was, like if I just saw a picture of her, I could believe she was 18. But after just knowing her and talking for like 10 minutes, everyone should realize she young. And even IF she looked and carried herself like an adult, it's still a shit excuse because gabbie literally told cody she was underage. There's just no excuse

[@eyelash-bug]

@@ulisessalduna4351 fr. even if gabbie didn't tell him, 25 and 18 might not be illegal but its still... ew.. yk? i have a 9 year age gap with my brother, which is close to the one tana and cody have and i cant even imagine liking one of my brothers friends.

[@taylor_jane23]

Cody could have been the next Matpat, retiring at his peak. Beloved by all. Unproblematic. But he just couldn’t help but sleep with a minor… I genuinely don’t understand how it is SO hard for these people to just not be weird with kids.

[@ShamaD274]

I watched Rachel Oates make a video on this, and she highlighted how even if his actions were done almost a decade ago, the manner in which he responded to Tana after her expressing her feelings about it shows he hasn't changed- that his priority was not the victim but himself. A lot of people would have understood if he genuinely repented his actions, and if he directed an apology- even if privately- to Tana, and then retired. People who understand their wrongs and try actively to correct themselves deserve a second chance. But there hasn't been any of that. Really disappointing

[@JustMooshie]

@@ShamaD274genuinely 🤢 “we good?” Sounds like something a shitty frat guy would say it’s so weird (def has not changed)

[@CatsSmore]

Don’t bring mat pat into this💀💀

[@ayaa__h]

Bro I’m 21 and I can’t IMAGINE even hanging out with a 17 year old the mental age difference is insane

[@emilyslicer2843]

Seriously! I’m 24 and you’re a little young for me even!!!!

[@Rosa-885]

Ok most of my friends are 16_18 but tbh I was homeschooled and didn't go to college still wouldn't date one though that's gross. Also I am severely depressed and the only place I go to is a basketball class which I just started.

[@joelman1989]

Yeah I know mature teens. My cousin in law most days is even more mature than I am at 35. But there is still something innocent and immature about a teen that you can clock in even the most mature and serious teenager. Perspective is one thing you can have at any age. But there is no substitute for life experience.

[@francostevo9939]

Please stop underestimating the mindsets of people who are 17. I had a friend who was 17 and was a cool guy but he was a minor, yes but not a little kid that he needed babysitting.

[@kee7374]

@@francostevo9939don’t care. STOP creating reasons why kids are mature enough to f.

[@crownclowncreations]

Sometimes I hate that the legal age is 18, because 18 is still a TEENAGER. Genuinely, if you are above the age of 22, you should not date or have s*x with someone under 20, I feel like. Like what, if Tana HAD been 18 would it suddenly be ok that Cody, someone almost 8 years older, hooked up with her? No, that's still gross and manipulative! The power dynamic and (mental) age gap is still f*cked up!

[@yeahok8259]

For fucking real dude.

[@Miko-fc3en]

Exactly, If you are in your mid20s you shouldn't date people who can't even legally have an alcoholic drink.

[@chancewill6910]

Where I live it's 16 but there's only a 2 year age gap limit when you're a minor, meaning at 16 you can only get with a 16/17 year old and I'm not actually sure about 18 years old because that feels creepy to me. I'm 20 and I still feel like a kid sometimes. The old walnut has definitely not finished growing Also they have a bigger age gap than me and my sister, we're about 6 years apart

[@xoch1717]

Exactly!

[@hippyhair1920]

Fr does he even have an morals?? Like you would think at least he would feel like it’s wrong morally

[@stephaniewilliams1110]

The fact that none of these men who prey on minors have teenage boys as friends shows that they know damn well they are too young to have a relationship with. It’s disgusting and I will never understand how grown men, especially ones with a following who can easily get a grown WOMEN to be with, goes after minors. I am 29, and even when I was 25, the thought of just flirting with a teenage boy makes me sick.

[@leenaadams6742]

bro I swear if it was a 17 year old emma chamberlain these rumors would NOT have floated around for so long before being taken seriously…

[@christalcavanaugh]

It is wild how Emma was always seen as a young teen and Tana was as somehow a young adult at the same age… it doesn’t seem like she was ever protected

[@hamilcross]

the fact that she was close with him and kelsey when she was 16/17 too like... she literally hit her first vape on camera bc of them and now she talks about how she has a nicotine addiction. this man has BEEN horrible and weird around underage girls, and frankly his wife is no better. people are gonna get mad at that but it's true.

[@cv6442]

​@@hamilcrossyep, because Kelsey has known about this for a very long time... this story has broken SEVERAL times, and I remember thinking she'd break up with him. Nope, I kept checking the channel to see if they'd talk about it... nope.. they got married instead! I don't like women who support and protect weirdos. It's creepy because of the context of his videos calling her a "teen" and him being "too old for youtube". There's always been a joke that Cody is older than father time (in youtube years) so literally talking to her like she speaks a different language because she is so young, to SLEEPING with her the same year, that is VILE. Kelsey knew about it, and accepted this part of him, so she can share some of the smoke, imo.

[@plasticjesus444]

@@cv6442facts

[@squirrel1226]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@hamilcross I was also surprised a lot of people keep wanting to “leave Kelsey out of the drama” because yes, Cody was the one who committed the crime but there’s little doubt in my mind that his wife had zero clue it happened. And oh yeah, there’s also the fact they invited a dude who is a rapist to their wedding… but I mean… “she probably didn’t know”, right? Basically at best, Cody is friends with a rapist and at worst, he is one himself 🤢

[@melissamullen4673]

I worked at a pizza place when I was 17 and there was a 24 year old coworker that was always making eyes at me and asking me to hang out and all this stuff. My 17 year old naive self was so flattered. My mom told me I should not be flattered and there’s a damn good reason no girls his own age want him. This douche told coworkers we slept together, and we didn’t, he had a panic attack and said when I was half dressed”I don’t want to go to jail.” He literally went to work the next f-king day and said”guess who got some from that hot young girl, Melissa?” Im 35 now and I still cannot understand how he thought that was a flex. Truly sick. Not only to lie, but to brag about something like that if it had been true, what the hell? I was so humiliated I quit that job.

[@cart3sam389]

Cody tryna strike a cord 💀💀

[@dsbmcel]

AND ITS DEFINITLEY A MINOOORRR

[@peytonyapps]

@@dsbmcelRRRRRRRR

[@detactedbarbieheads]

They not like us, they not like us, they not like us :P

[@winniethepooht5776]

Aye Cody, I hear you like em young

[@Savage.-_.Gamer1]

@@winniethepooht5776He's literally similar to Haiji(DR:UDG) 💀 Disgusting

[@PilotHardy]

Omg on his Wiki it says, "He joined a fraternity but later regretted some of his fraternity experiences." uhh wtf??

[@eurekamreum5458]

AmandaTodhunter's video touches on this, she reads an article Duke made on him where he somewhat "explains" his greek life regret

[@MoonWielder]

I feel sorry for his wife. Imagine marrying someone, having a baby with them recently, and finding out suddenly they preyed on a teenager. EDIT: Looking at the replies, I really appreciate y'all telling me about her finding out before this went viral. I hope she leaves him because continuing to stay with him isn't a good look for her.

[@shelby6]

And recieving all the hate from the public when she did nothing wrong

[@ladylionXOX]

There's a possibility she already knew, that's important to keep in mind.

[@marrubee1905]

​@@ladylionXOX then what could she do?? I'm sure she didn't look up all of his friends criminal history and if it was never mentioned then she couldn't have known. if she did know, how could u stop someone from being friends with someone who already knows the crime and doesn't care? it's really not her fault

[@vitoisadoll]

she must be really going through it. i wish her the best, realizing the person you're with is just a man who does fucked up man things is really demoralizing. i just hope she doesn't defend him, because i still respect her so much and she's great; i hope she's not on his side this time, even being his wife.

[@miquelmoorrees6010]

​@@marrubee1905?? Did you suffer from brain injuries?

[@mycatopia]

Thank you for pointing out that Cody is clearly past his prime in terms of content creation because it's been clear for a while now that he's just sort of going through the motions and being carried mostly by his editor Zade.

[@phoenixgirl70]

I stopped watching a couple years ago. He made it so obvious that he didn’t want to make videos like it was such a chore when he just starting reacting with minimal effort. And him getting angry people didn’t watch his sweet treats series with its tacky merch guilting people into buying it. Like Cody, most of your audience will never, ever be in LA to go to the place you think has the best pie. His ego just went off the charts. Like he was doing us a favor making videos with zero effort and raking in millions of dollars. He lost the plot completely. Then when he said Andrew Tate was fine…I heard that and was so glad I quit watching him.

[@TheAbimarie95]

Right! His content has been so lazy the past few years he even admitted that he had to do the videos to make sure he could support his family 🙄

[@aesteriia]

noel was definitely the funnier half of thats cringe 😭

[@SoggyWeetabix]

Noel was the reason most of those videos got popular

[@multijxde1855]

@@phoenixgirl70no frl i unsubscribed bc his videos were getting so unfunny and boring and then he would just say stupid stuff and be completely serious abt it, and it reminded me of frat guys from university

[@Dvgteeth]

I was permabanned from his subreddit YEARS ago for talking about this. I am so proud of tana for the way she’s addressing this. She’s honestly shown so much growth over the last year.

[@smellyskelly7459]

Thank you. You spoke about how anxious you were to post this, but I wanted to tell you that I never even saw/heard anything about this, and I probably wouldn't have without you, Cooper. This is devastating, he used to be one of my favorites. It's sad when you grow up loving someone and they turn out to be worse than horrible.

[@born2besauce]

Gabbies alleged involvement in this makes it soo much worse. The fact that he was explicitly told her age and then still (allegedly) went for it genuinely makes me sick. so disappointing

[@bobby6068]

It removed all the benefit of the doubt I had for him. It's disgusting.

[@Dvgteeth]

@@born2besauce especially because Gabbie is a straight up r^pe apologist

[@ssipssip]

THANK YOU for making the point that the version of Tana everyone is hating on is the same version of Tana that Cody took advantage of. I've been waiting for someone to bring that to the conversation. Thank you.

[@sadie-gg2zn]

It sucks because yesterday I was searching for one of his videos to watch while I cleaned my room, just to stumble across a video exposing what he did. It’s lame being a huge fan of someone and then getting let down like that.

[@holybalognajabronies2013]

D'Angelo's video on Cody kinda hit like Kendrick's "Meet The Grahams" did on Drake

[@allisonkathleen6191]

Cooper yelling about Tana being so young because you can see her tracks had me loling ngl 😂

[@cocomilk4846]

It’s funny because you still can see them now 😂 especially on just Trish

[@weavesnatched7957]

like damn 😭😭

[@LuisIsAsleep]

what are tracks?

[@MichelleD2023]

@@LuisIsAsleep Hair extensions are attached to strips of plastic that are pinned onto the scalp. The plastic the hair is attached to are the tracks, and they’re meant to be covered by real hair so they can blend in. If you look at Tana’s head at that point in the video you can see a bunch of lines all leading into her ponytail, that’s her not knowing how to style her hair to properly cover the tracks. The male equivalent would most likely be a dude using clippers to shave his head for the first time and missing a spot in the back.

[@LuisIsAsleep]

@@MichelleD2023 thank you for the explanation

[@kuroon7553]

D'Angelo Wallace really did open the floodgates for the big youtubers to feel obligated to talk about this topic, huh? Good. As they should. Hopefully the boys won't be silenced by YT like Rachel Oates was.

[@xletragedyx]

What happened with Rachel? Now that you mention her, I haven't seen a video of hers in awhile

[@kuroon7553]

@@xletragedyx YT was censoring her, not letting her publish her video on this topic. She posted on her community tab that the video was getting restricted. Idk how many changes she had to make, but she finally managed to post it

[@ameliehuijghe4022]

This is so depressing bc i really believed he was one of the good ones. I also feel so bad for kelsey and their kid.

[@tiasharon]

Me too. I enjoyed him and even though my opinion has completely shifted I do hope for the sake of Kelsey and the baby that things work out in the best possible way and that Tana is alright and recieves a personal apology

[@MichelleD2023]

Their son is gonna grow up and read this stuff online about his dad. Kelsey was a preschool teacher. She may have quit years ago to do KZbin but it’s only a matter of time before the mainstream news picks up this story and her former students and their parents are gonna read about how their former teacher married a weirdo and invited another to the wedding. Nobody is coming out of this scot free, it’s messy, sad, and disgusting.

[@vitoisadoll]

i'm so scared for kelsey. imagine finding out your husband did this after just having a baby... she must be so mad and going through it. either that or she completely defends him and doesn't care. honestly, either alternative would make me so upset, so i hope she's okay.

[@lavenderxxx1210]

Kelsey is close with the wife of Cody’s rapist friend and he was invited to their wedding. Also when the rumor the Cody slept with an underaged Tana first got out Cody proposed to Kelsey very shortly after. She’s not a predator herself but she isn’t a girls girl for sure.

[@lavenderxxx1210]

She knew their was rumors at the very least

[@nina-cd1ti]

yeah but let’s not pretend noel is so much better than cody and would shame him for this 💀💀💀 i really doubt he didn’t know about it all this time or that he would even care

[@jocellecanovas]

please don't kill me for this take- but i don't think noel knew. i think that he was blindsided by this. reminds me of what happened with the try guys. i do think that it's fucked up that noel's been silent though. he was the first comedy show i went to and it sucks that i can't support him anymore.

[@isgreen3]

Everyone in his circle knew and they’re benefiting from the parasocial relationships they have with their fans to escape criticism. Tana first made allegations in 2021 (which I remember happening as someone who is not super tapped into KZbin ‘drama’), so I always just assumed this was something of an open secret. KZbin is their career and livelihood of course they have known about the allegations. It’s so scummy how Cody, Noel, etc are exploiting their fans who will defend them to no end

[@eurekamreum5458]

I could never get past his "I'm not anti-Tate" comments.

[@jocellecanovas]

@@eurekamreum5458 he said that???? god please no!!!!!!!

[@Areyouafraidofthedarkkuk]

Idk dude it's so hard to say, there are clips of him DOGGING on pedophiles and Cody's just like self soothing the whole time trying to chime in with "yeahs" and whatever else he can come up with while looking super uncomfortable

[@sonorarae7386]

Former Cody Ko fan here. I'm so glad D'Angelo made a video, it's really brought this to a larger audience. I got banned from the Cody Ko subreddit a month ago talking about this and now his reddit is flooded with comments on this. It's extremely disappointing (though not shocking) to learn someone you admired, looked up to, enjoyed watching (what have you) has turned into something you can no longer respect. It is a sad day but luckily, everyone is talking about it as they should. Leave his family alone, listen to Tana and unsubscribe to all and any Cody Ko social medias.. I want him to say something, as an ex fan, to his fans. But mostly, I want to see his apology to Tana. I want him to take accountability not just for his fans harassing her but also for his own terrible actions **ALLEGEDLY** RIP Chodes

[@ocarinagamer4207]

@@healthycathy9782I’m not even a fan of cooper but I don’t think it’s fair to assume everyone in the commentary community knew about the situation with cody ko and tana. I’ve watched drew and danny for years off and on but never knew kurtis or cody that entire time, I’ve seen kurtis in the last year but still didn’t really know who cody was at all still despite having watched such (apparently adjacent) KZbinrs. Idk I’m not defending them or anything but without proof we can’t assume everyone in the commentary space knows everyone/everything about everyone else in the commentary space and I think assuming they do and are all untrustworthy doesn’t really help but just creates more speculation. It’s not wrong to want answers and ask these people if they knew and to call them out if they did but blatantly assuming they all know all this stuff doesn’t make sense imo

[@staycalm7796]

@@healthycathy9782 I’m seeing this comment in every reply section, assuming everybody knows each other deeply just because they work together and collab from time to time is incredibly childish and parasocial. These people live in different countries for fucks sake. Just because you work with with somebody doesn’t mean you know everything surrounding their lives. D’Angelo did start the spiral for the big commentary channels to start talking about it and they are all clearly mentioning it out of need/want depending on the person. Everyone who has already talked about it have all mentioned D’Angelo here and there during their videos and it is very clear where they got all their information from. I am not defending anyone but I’m simply trying to be logical. I see a lot of people spiraling into mass paranoia in every section of every video I’ve watched on the c*dy allegations. It is a devastating situation, as an ex c*dy fan (I used to watch him religiously) it definitely feels exactly like someone you appreciated passed away, but bringing EVERYBODY in and claiming they’re all part of some grand scheme is ridiculous. These are independent content creators, not government bodies.

[@tynisaadams7580]

Here's the real question. Will the apology video be just in time for lunch?

[@hairyllama]

💀💀

[@MutatedPercent]

I bet $100 that... -Comments will be turned off -He's gonna spend most of his time "apologizing" to his audience than to Tana, women, or his family -Will say he regrets it -Won't bring up his r*pist friend at his wedding -Won't bring up being told she was 17

[@MutatedPercent]

Forgot to mention that at this point there's like a good 48% chance he won't even apologize on his main channel but on Twitter or on his second channel. He's apologized for getting caught using the N word....ON HIS PATREON!! YOU HAD TO PAY TO SEE HIS APOLOGY!! (⊃ Д)⊃≡ﾟ ﾟ

[@el_b0z0]

@@MutatedPercentyikes… patreon is absolutely wild

[@The_Winsome_Pixie]

Too soon

[@Bay4G]

We have to remember that most of the controversial shit Tana did was when she was a teenager. I'm not excusing those behavior, but to me it seems like she has matured since then.

[@nataliemoon8204]

Thank you. I mean, we don't all act the same way we did as when we were teenagers.

[@Aloysius_OHare]

And to remember she was still a child. He was a fully blown adult.

[@lavenderoh]

​@@nataliemoon8204 yep if I had documented my youth it would be way worse than Tana..

[@bece00]

I know right. People are judging her on KZbin CONTENT she made as a literal teenager. Most people are exaggerating on their online profiles let alone if they were making storytimes at 17

[@MutatedPercent]

Tbh Tana was never like a criminal scamming mastermind like how I view the Paul brothers, Shane Dawson, James Charles, etc. Most of her controversies stemmed from her being really incompetent. It was never "You took their money and spat on their faces!" type stuff but more "You had no idea what you were doing and yet still did it!" Tana made mistakes...what Cody did wasn't a "mistake".

[@bernardroe7961]

1:39 "moisture" is crazy 💀

[@leilanahomy1285]

I just want to point out, Noel is also a weirdo with double standards. Like both of them for sure filter their thoughts. Ex: Noel was going off on the podcast about buying a used/second hand ( I don’t remember the details) bra…. He was literally disgusted at the fact that there was “titty sweat”. Cody said it’s the same as a second hand shirt where people sweat all the time and Noel had to let it go, but he throws small comments about women’s hygiene that I stopped listening

[@Misstanfluteuh]

Yeah i agree, something seems off

[@ruthie8785]

Oh my god totally, I’ve had the vibe from them both for a LONG time. Like, “hm, that was ALMOST kinda sexist.”

[@prettiestkitty6793]

Theyre both so frat boy yucky, theres no exeption to those men, its always the average boy people know and weirdly have a liking for, that inhibits the most misogynistic mindset

[@440lop]

i was a fan of them during the thats cringe days and even since then there were odd things about them but i was too young to notice. i stopped watching them both a few years back because of some random but consistent weird comments they’ll both make, and also a decline in quality of their content. i was so heavily into the fandom… i remember people would point out when their chemistry would be off or when they’re indirectly hating on their “unfunny” fans. to me noel always had the same energy as cody so when i find out about the allegations about cody and his college friend, i thought noel maybe knew about it and didn’t care

[@reginageorgecostanza]

i think it was about a year ago maybe? but noel said something on an ep of tmg about how he didn't think andrew tate was that bad........ edit: jk it was two years ago, episode 250

[@nina-gv9gk]

"love the all lowercase so young people know you rock with them, but im sure hanna already knew that" is an absolute gem of a line (also congrats on getting engaged)

[@ilovetrollz75011]

This video makes me feel so bad for cooper because he seems genuinely so disappointed and not to mention how anxious he is in this. Ty for making this video and I’m sorry for this KZbinrs actions. Love you cooper ty for your work

[@tiffanymoton704]

i totally get why you're nervous cooper, but im proud of you for making this

[@aecreative1994]

Agreed. This means a lot ♥️

[@Napalm-Eyes]

Former Cody Ko fan here, yeah he was one of the creators I really admired and it absolutely sucks to find all of this out. I feel so bad for Tana but I’m grateful she spoke about it, otherwise I’d still be watching him without knowing any better.

[@Seraphina-b3h]

Same. I had been a Cody Ko fan for awhile and I’m just so disgusted by what he did.

[@Archimedes-v2o]

@@Seraphina-b3hme too. I’m frustrated that he isn’t even responding

[@sarahbellem4454]

Can we also point out she said shoutout JC Caylen too?? She was 17 9 years ago and he was 22…

[@amaiyag3369]

i was waiting for someone to say this!!

[@Alleellaa]

I completely missed that bc I’m not familiar with who that person is… Now imma look it up! 😈

[@pancakeluver]

yk as a 16 year old girl, i do find it disgusting what he did of course but im so desensitized to men being creepy bc there’s been so many times where an older man has acted like how cody was acting in the video coop showed, that when he acted so disgusted by him looking at her weird i just laughed. no hate it just proves how normalized and disgusting it is that it’s just chopped up to something every women in our society has to experience at least once or on a daily basis. it is pretty damning evidence tho 18:39

[@kacie-lynn]

“You can see the tracks in her hair THIS IS A YOUNG GIRL.” Hahahahaha that killed me.

[@misskaydawkins]

@ me in the 12th grade - which is exactly how old Tana was. 👀

[@moonbeams4999]

He doesn't give HIS OWN WIFE the same moderation he himself has. He is just letting Kelsey take all the heat for HIS OWN ACTIONS. Kelsey needs to leave.

[@dorotheecc8986]

Omg this is not pointed out enough. Like both his victim and his wife have to pay for HIS ACTION. And like everyone defending him saying “he just had a baby”…but he’s letting his wife, you know the one who actually had a baby, deal with this shit on her channel… what a shitty partner

[@lavenderxxx1210]

The story has been out since before Cody proposed and she married him anyway. Shes not a Taoist her self but has remained close to MULTIPLE men who are.

[@vitoisadoll]

the same way he's paying moderators to go ham on his comments and delete anything having to do with tana the second it's commented, he could send them her way too. the way he's not protecting her at all is so sad and such a bad look as a husband

[@Vidasinvida]

EW wait you’re right! What a nice husband, huh? SMH

[@rebeccasirstad4919]

How messed up would of be if she was the unpaid person filtering his comments. That was a joke but actually, what if that’s why his thumbnails are crap now? Cause his wife os tired of helping with his channel. I’m just makin stuff up tho cause I never seen either channel.

[@zeruma.1264]

Love how you did the iconic “That’s Cringe” format that he did for his videos as a way of doing criticism while also being ironic

[@suneater_zeef050]

thanks so much for the "what kind of evidence do you think there is for these situations" line, because there usually isn't unless there's physical injury. this is something people don't think about, but there's rarely evidence at all.

[@anirose25]

I’m so happy D’Angelo made a video. He is the only reason bigger creators are talking about this situation. NO MORE SILENCE CODY SPEAK 🗣️ Edit: (I am not a lawyer or have any degree in legal issues) I think Cody will not admit it because he is afraid that it will be used as an admission of guilt in court. The statue of limitation for r&p3 in California is 10 years and the cut off is in 2 years after Tana turns 28. Maybe 27 but I assume 28. He is a coward but I think he is even more cowardly because he knows admitting it could mean a felony charge and losing the life he’s built. He doesn’t care about the victim

[@i.am.impertinent]

When I started watching Drew, Danny, and Kurtis, I started getting Cody’s videos recommended to me. I watched some of them, but they always felt off, so I stopped watching him. I feel validated, but disgusted that people are bending over backwards to defend him and not believing Tana.

[@Imraveofficial]

Yesss I love all of themmmmm

[@e1eanorlovessoil]

Omg this is my exact experience. I’m a huge commentary fan, so I felt like naturally I’d like Cody Ko but his videos never worked for me, and I felt like he had a weird vibe. I’m pretty grateful I never got attached to his videos now that this is all coming out.

[@i.am.impertinent]

@@e1eanorlovessoil Okay I’m glad it wasn’t just me 😅

[@kenjako]

Omg same???? He was never funny to me

[@randomname0099]

Maybe give Kurtis a second look. Dude has a major issue with having problematic friends and trying to cover it up.

[@cjane_7]

“that’s not CRINGE that’s CRIMINAL”

[@cathrinegrizzanti903]

SWOOP 💙

[@hannahmiller6789]

I find it strange how everyone is talking about Cody Ko but nobody has talked about how JC Caylen is also 5 years older than Tana. So she was 17 and he was 22😒

[@Areyouafraidofthedarkkuk]

Oh dude that's facts

[@hannahmiller6789]

@@Areyouafraidofthedarkkuk and still, 2 months after my comment, I don’t really hear anyone talking about JC 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️ He deserves the heat too imo

[@issyd.c.]

Ughh Tana looks so young in these collabs!! I’m 24 so back when she first blew up I thought she looked so mature! Seeing them next to each other now AND KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES! I’m siiiiick

[@emilyslicer2843]

It’s definitely a wild perspective being the same age as tana Because now we are almost as old as Cody was

[@moni-w9o]

I know!! It’s like look at her!! This obviously a CHILD still

[@issyd.c.]

@@emilyslicer2843 for reallll like uhh we know better so what’s the problem with you, Cody? 🤔🤦🏾‍♀️