Ok, so was it true? "Golden Freddy's TRUE Identity" ID's Fantasy REACTION

After a few weeks of community murmurs, FnafTuber ID's Fantasy has finally addressed the new theory and evidence from DPT's video about the existence of Cassidy Afton. As someone who's been skeptical myself, and who respects both channels immensely, I decided to sit down and record my own thoughts while watching through ID's video and discussing the overall theory.
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[@zgmfx-09a]

btw scott totally didn't open the box because he had no idea how to model whatever was inside it

[@hamiltonics]

LOOOOOL

[@TheMarioBBB]

honestly i love this explanation so much more than "scott gave up hope that people would figure out fnaf four" or "scott just changed his mind"

[@badumtiss5288]

I Personally Believe He Never Had Anything In It And Just Wanted To Be Mysterious . So He Used “No One’s Figured It Out” As An Excuse To Not Open It 😂

[@blankahittl5424]

i watched your 8 hour theory video, and i was like FINALLY someone could explain the lore in a way i can understand😭

[@BluyMolla-fj8ql]

I cried yelling HE DIIID IT!!!!! HE DID IT😭 I was brought to tears

[@FilmingWithEllie]

HOLY FUCK, if you are correct that Cassidy’s remnant was injected into Mike (and that she actually experienced FNAF4), the question “Do you have dreams?” in the security logbook followed by the nightmare Fred drawing has so much more gravity and reasoning behind it

[@echonvoid]

It’s also possible they both went through the experiments. But dude! What if when the One you Should not have Killed is Cassidy/victim #5, but they took Mike’s Agony with them, like their souls merged over time. So Mike eventually got his anger out and was able to let go, and Cassidy served all the extra damage

[@bellslimes]

GiBi is the best type of theorist, someone who is smart and uses critical thinking, along with trying to connect narrative storytelling throughout the franchise, and be able to discuss things with the facts from the games and using some elements from other corners of the franchise to piece things together. Mad respect man, always steadfast on the hard evidence instead of throwing lore things out like other people, and using the facts and logic first to piece things together. Definitely one of the best kinds of theorists in the FNAF community!!! 🤩🙏

[@horrorluver565]

Well said 👏👏

[@fangirl-inator1094]

The idea of Cassidy experiencing the nightmare animatronics does put an interesting new life on the nightmare Fred bear in the security log book

[@YoBoyNeptune]

And some of the UCN lines

[@Spnispeakfiction]

She gave up on Lil Bean Evan and hit the Zaza that's fnaf 4 and world lol

[@covereye5731]

It's ironic that the first Fnaf Theorist Duo, was the only one arguing Golden Freddy wasn't two people.

[@Hapsetshut]

I do like how Dual process say's 'What do you mean the one you shouldn't have killed? You shouldn't have killed any of them' XD I'm always saying that

[@leothebrat2048]

The theory for Mike being the nightguard in FNAF 3 stemming from the apparitions makes sense for a few things. While the animatronics shown are based on the characters of Fazbear, some of these aren't advertised for the public. While Balloon Boy and Classic Chica would show in ads for the restaurants, I doubt Mangle would be shown in that state of disrepair. And even if they were, that wouldn't change the fact that only employees of FNAF 2 would have seen Withered Foxy and Withered Golden Freddy. That, of course, would then make it plausible that any person that worked in both establishments could be the nightguard, but Michael fits moreso narratively and with everything else we theorized about his character.

[@gamingonamonday6342]

As theorists I think its important that we remain open minded to new veiwpoints to the franchise, while also keeping what we have tight evidence for on lockdown. This of course means that those things on lockdown will inevitably change when we have more answers, or a better outcome. This is why I love the FNaF community, everyone comes at it from a different angle, and it helps us put more and more pieces together, its like one giant collaborative effort.

[@Drake-xl1cu]

Yes! It’s completely okay to have “your theory” and believe one thing to be cannon, but the point of all this is to constantly relook at things from the different angles everyone brings! Its quite presumptuous to actually be so close minded that you hate every other theory you don’t believe in

[@bucherbuddy2237]

I could easily listen to another 8 hour theory video from you. You are the reason I regained my interest in FNAF theory after all the mess that came with Sister location and onwards. You are the only theorist, whose theories are easy to understand and actually make a lot of sense.

[@DonMatejcek]

is it just me or matpat stunted the growth of theories cause if he said and it was wrong, people just listened and did not look deeper

[@gerilyn]

I definitely think it was a double edged sword. Like, without him a lot of people would’ve never heard about the games/franchise or kept up with it for so long. At the same time though, I think he caused a lot of valid theories to get flak for no good reason. He never intentionally called theories objectively bad or encouraged people to not theorize, but with such a big platform he was bound to reach people with iffy critical thinking skills

[@Drake-xl1cu]

I love matpat as a person, i enjoy his content it’s fun. But he has a cult following. The people in his audience are a little insane a lot of the time, he’s done nothing wrong by theorizing, some may be silly and a little ridiculous, but i completely agree, his fans take everything he says as “the word of god” in a sense when it comes to fnaf

[@kiiroiakuma839]

41:19 a sudden realization after GiBi's explanation about book feature: when you close the book Altered Text sees someone in the mirror but can and can not recognize at the same time (you know, literal brain damage). "Who do i see? If it's a mirror, THIS should be me. Who are you? Oh, it's me." this kind of thought.

[@JustAPersonalUseBarb]

My exact thoughts

[@jinyoshida321]

I watched your too long FNAF video 2 times, and I really didn't feel like your criticism of MatPat was "too much or non constructive"

[@FarronOfHouseFarron]

Same. I felt it held him to task on a couple of mistakes he made and GiBi was just playfully jabbing at him.

[@Bell_Jingle]

Right? Like the "meanest" thing he said was that Matt was wrong, which.. is true, lol

[@Hubbze4611]

I think it would have been too much if he had been making the same comments about other KZbinrs because while he did say “you’re wrong” it was sometimes accompanied by memes implying that his points were deeply ridiculous. But Matpat has such a huge platform. Its not like he was quashing someone small and up and coming (like dual process). Instead he was challenging the main stream. Sorta punching up vs punching down

[@FarronOfHouseFarron]

@@Hubbze4611 To be honest. Dream Theory was deeply ridiculous and I feel that even Scott ribbing at it via Mr. Hippo meant he felt the same. Dual Process Theory is just wrong on so many levels, and I feel GiBi levelled some very fair criticism towards them in this video and the others. However, I do feel that every time we get someone like DPT titling their video with "Guys, We Totally Solved FNAF" or something similar, it's just going to make it more difficult for when someone legitimately solves it (if that ever happens) to get their voice heard.

[@Drake-xl1cu]

Absolutely. Personally, i think when a person really likes one theorist or their theories they wholeheartedly defend (and over defend) them against any possibly interpreted hate. Gibi wasn’t hating on matpat, but becuase some people love him so much, they jumped on him saying basically “how dare you criticize him” forgetting that civil and kind discourse and criticism can happen!

[@Haley_Halo]

6:14 Idc if people believe the books are or aren't in the game continuity. What I do care about is people using what a theorist said to insult people (who believe otherwise) and the theorist themselves agreeing without issue cuz those people agree with their own view; feeding into the "us and them" mentality and rigidity in thinking...the same sort of rigidity being insulted in reverse. *Which is why I'm watching your videos and not theirs.* You're as consistent as possible in keeping an open mind and being respectful even in disagreement. Even if I disagreed on something, I'd continue to respect you for upholding that value. That is far more important than agreeing on a topic.

[@TheGeladoo]

For the "Cassidy was the FNAF 4 test subject" theory, I just thought, maybe that's how Cassidy knew about CC's favorite purple telephone toy, it was literally there in the room when she was being experimented with

[@zacvh_]

Good point

[@covereye5731]

The funny part is Dual Process Theory argued Mike was vengeful because he was experimented on in 4 and now you are stumbling on the vengeful spirit being experimented on in 4 (just it being Cassidy and not Mike)

[@nanexists]

Stormister does a GREAT video on why they think scraptrap took parts of golden Freddy and attached those to himself, I recommend watching it if you want some good evidence for that theory, it’s called “I found a reason for Afton to look so weird”

[@luluzin5022]

55:15 Consider this: CC gets bitten before Charlie dies, but while he's in a comma, William kills Charlie. That would allow Charlie to die before CC, while still maintaining the narrative that William killed Chrlie because of CC's accident.

[@CarRadio572]

To me the reason Mike has a British accent and his much younger brother does not is probably pretty simple. Mike could have been born in England where he was surrounded by British accents. CC likely spent his entire life in Utah he could have had an American nanny and almost definitely went to school with American children. The two boys had different accents because they learned to speak in different environments.

[@faloopa5179]

yeah that could be true but then why does Elizabeth have a british accent? I can't imagine that she's much older than CC

[@CarRadio572]

@@faloopa5179 maybe she’s a daddy’s girl who wants to be just like him. While CC might be actively trying to sounds like his classmates. He is already bullied why give the local kids another reason to laugh at him.

[@faloopa5179]

@@CarRadio572 I really like that, that's an interesting idea and could definitely be likely, however I think it's more likely that the voice isn't CC, since Scott made it very clear that British voices are Aftons, and if he wanted to bring us to the conclusion that the voice is CC, he would've just made the voice British.

[@Ben-zg8xk]

The aftons being British isn’t really meant to make sense logistically. iirc Scott just made him British because that accent is associated with villains. He gave it to the other aftons so people could tell who was an afton

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

@@faloopa5179I believe it’s implied she’s the youngest. The “baby of the family” generally means the youngest child, and Elizabeth is directly associated with a character named Baby. Alternatively, I suppose there is an alternate world where she was the ONLY baby at the time that Circus Baby’s happened and that she was the oldest child, and either died before `Michael was born or while he was a little kid - however there’s less you’d have to re-explain and find alternate solutions for if she’s the youngest

[@GermanFFreddy]

Yeah, imagine being in a coma, waking up,seeing yourself, while hearing a flatline, and hearing a bunch of people try to resuscitate you while you can't do anything... also, the DCI (FNaF2) is different than the MCI because the bodies were in in the open, and so they were deemed murdered, but the MCI are well, MISSING according to the public.

[@spacealien3073]

Honestly I really liked her vid. I made a jokey reply to it saying something along the lines of I'm not sure which spirit has Cassidy as a name anymore but knowing this franchise the crying child and the vengeful spirit could both be named Cassidy for all we know lol. I do agree with her pointing out lots of inconsistencies with their conclusions especially Mike being the vengeful spirit. Like it makes sense for him to be vengeful and even potentially blame his father of his death but the way the games goes about portraying this spirit (ie: as a young gender ambiguous child that lacks a British accent) definitely is inconsistent with how ghost are shown to work in every other situation. Like DPT did do some pretty good work with looking at some of the finer details of the franchise that gets overlook but some of their theory definitely went too far in the direction of just hand waving inconvenient info. Its like how fans have collectively decided crying child's head trauma= William's child murder motivation is "debunked" simply because it makes them morally uncomfortable rather than because the evidence points in a different direction. Like I think some fans have to decide if they really want the story to be solved or just if they want to write a "better" story then what Scott was likely going for lol

[@spacealien3073]

Oh I feel like mentioning something I forgot to mention when making this reply so I'll make a new one. I don't think CC is possessing the plushie like you do simply because its been somewhat established in the game continuity at least that souls need to tether to something made of metal. Unless the golden bear plush is basically the Fazbear equivalent of a Teddy Ruxpin (now there's a reference I didn't expect to make today!) I don't think a soul would have anything to latch itself onto. I think its more likely CC is haunting Fredbear because the head chomping thing allowed the soul to tether to it once his body finally passed on. Just that is a little closer to how soul seem to work in this series that a plush toy somehow ended up inside Golden Freddy despite there being 0 evidence for that happening at any time. Like that's more wild speculation Mr. Hippo weeps stuff lol EDIT: I do know that people think the plush may have metal in it because it talking could be the result of a speaker it has... but also the plush teleports so who knows what its actually doing in those cutscenes. The only confirmation we have it could be able to actually talk is the plush showing up in the Sister Location near what looks like a walkie talkie but its still pretty speculative to assume that's what Scott was trying to tell us about it.

[@PendragonTheNinja]

Hey GiBi. Absolutely huge fan of your theories. Thanks for all you do for the FNAF community. I think you bring a very intelligent, level-headed perspective. Now, I have a topic of concern... I know this series has so many mysteries that are unsolved. However, I'm infinitely bothered by TUSS (The Unidentified Springlock Suit) as some call it. We know of exactly TWO springlock suits in the entire game series' canon: Springtrap, and Fredbear/Golden Freddy. Facts we know about TUSS from Sister Location: - It IS a springlock suit. - It CANNOT be Springtrap. - Given everything we know about Fredbear, as well as the incorrect eye shape, it also CANNOT be Fredbear. - It has four distinct faceplates. The only known animatronics with faceplates like this were created by William. - The face appears to be relatively flat, with at least no distinct nose noticable through the eye and mouth sockets. - The suit is from Circus Baby's Pizza World (per Baby). - Per Baby, the suit was never used (at least, for its intended purpose) (does mean it was only used to springlock people for remnant testing?) - The face appears to be separated from the sides of the head in a strange way. - Per Baby, there's room for one person to fit inside, but JUST barely (maybe important, maybe just flavor text). From everything we know, this appears to be a completely new, never-before (or after...) mentioned springlock suit. Could it be that William was experimenting with another version of a character we know already, but as a Springlock version with faceplates, before later scrapping the idea but keeping the faceplates for use with the Funtimes? In that line of thought, could TUSS have been Funtime Chica, who doesn't even appear in the game? She has the faceplates that sort of match up (although not at all perfectly, but I'm reaching at this point). It would also fit narratively with Chica having been the first of the Funtimes, having seen everything (only slightly joking). If not Chica, who else? The only other thoughts I have are the Puppet, and the Minireenas, given their relatively flat faces, as well as fitting the TUSS mouth shape well (although not the eyes at all...) If TUSS is not a character we already know, are we to assume William built a completely separate and unique springlock suit, designed for a new character, just for us to never see or hear from them again in the timeline? And why wouldn't Scott just tell us this then if it doesn't matter? The game came out 8 years ago and we still don't have a solid answer. I don't believe Scott would have created this night with no actual meaning or thought put into this animatronic. He has never revealed the identity of TUSS, so I believe it's actually important/relevant somehow to the story. I would love for you to make a video on this topic, or at least talk about it in-depth in one of your Q&A videos. Thanks again ❤

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

My personal thought is that it might be foreshadowing for Ennard - I.e., that it’s the full version of the suit that Ennard’s mask comes from. What that character was supposed to be idk - I supposed it could have been a Funtime version of the Marionette? Otherwise some sort of generic jester

[@jamiewalker4007]

Honestly I thought the fnaf series had way too much hype which put me off, then I saw a super long video come up and decided what the hell, no harm in seeing what it’s about and I’ve been going down this rabbit hole for a whole week now

[@Haley_Halo]

Ahh, good times first getting into it. Have fun ^.^

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

Same thing happened to me lol

[@poolturtle5772]

I think I enjoyed the reaction to the sort of deconstruction ID did more than I would have enjoyed you reacting to the original video. Partly because I have already seen MatPat react and the original video (as well as ID’s video) and partly because it makes it more condensed and allows you to basically hit the high points as dictated by the main thesis of the theory (because I can imagine you’d take a while with the BB and nightmare gas) Fun video to watch, can’t wait to see what your next video is.

[@B3rryvamp]

i commented on id’s fantasies’s shorts once about how william lured a kid out of his home while wearing the old cloth suits and she said something along the lines of how wouldve william known? i said he literally made the suits and she never replied so that spoiled my view of her a bit

[@Celtic1020]

I don't believe the theory they proposed, but they did something really important. Get FNaF theorists to reevaluate their preconceptions and biases. At least people are talking about WHY Cassidy isn't an Afton. When before, a few theorists said he wasn't, didn't elaborate and moved on. And they did all of this on their first video.

[@Hubbze4611]

Cassidy being the one experimented on in FNAF 4 would also give great justification for why she is the one who is more vengeful

[@annazaco1157]

not once while watching your 8 hour theory did I think it was too long, if anything I was so bummed when it was over!

[@BixlsYT]

We see the Fredbear plushie on Williams desk where he’s watching the FNAF 4 house. In FNAF 4, you don’t see nightmare Fredbear until night 4(?), which leads me to believe (in the non-dream version of the FNAF 4 survival thing), William is watching Mike fend off against the main 4 animatronics while he tries to find out how to put Cici into an animatronic of his own, and then unleashing the animatronic once he’s figured out how to do it, which is why we don’t see NMFredbear until the later nights. Just a thought.

[@rollo_linwood]

The puppet's mask is looking at the camera because it's a human face, whereas the animal faces wouldn't be recognized as such unless they were facing to the side.

[@Elis0611]

Oh wow this is creepy, I just watched ID's video a couple of hours ago! Either way, I see this video is an hour and something long. I am looking forward to your input!

[@4libraluck]

I found out about the original video from a hate post on Twitter, so this theory definitely isn’t people’s favorite

[@zetorocks811]

19:45 Gibi one of the soundtracks in UCN is literally called Hibernating Evil and you can hear a heartbeat in the song Sleep No More 😭

[@pastadash4684]

You did a pretty good job being constructive towards matpat in the 9hr video, it was just the deadpan way you delivered your lines honestly. That was my impression, that having been the first video of yours I ever watched, but now having watched more of your stuff that's shorter I have that hindsight we love to covet in this fandom (lol) that you were probably just *so tired* of working on that horrendously long (but incredibly compelling - I've watched it like eight separate times in the background of work) video lmao. The deadpan delivery I'm sure just came from you exhausting yourself trying to get that video done because in all the other vids of yours I've seen you seem a lot more cheery and upbeat. You're my favorite FNAFtuber because of your restraint when it comes to claiming to have "solved" everything "once and for all", it's honestly really refreshing and what keeps me clicking and watching so keep it up! 👍

[@kimrogers9315]

This is the only good reaction video of a reaction video out there.

[@crypticshadow7619]

I am upset that people unfairly harassed you because you were honest about MatPat. Ive been a fan of Game Theory since its inception, but that doesnt mean that I get upset when others are honest about his flaws. I would prefer that you keep your sense of humor in future videos, but I understand if you feel unsafe to do so.

[@yeethaw5816]

23:32 faded text leaving hints throughout the book can be so altered can remember its own name. like they try to help altered remember itself. altered doesn't remember itself and is asking questions

[@terreliv]

OH OH OH OH OH OH! 17:35 THE GRAVE HAS A FLOWER IN FRONT OF IT LIKE THE OBSCURING GRASS IS A PLANT

[@Hapsetshut]

Died not alive, turned into a literal decaying corpse forced to still walk the either, the line gets messy

[@annawesometheflameingpikac3688]

you were not mean to MatPat in your long video, people are just over protective of him

[@otakinha.kawaiiuwu]

Yo! I just wanted to come here and say that I have watched your "too long fnaf video" twice, and you are amazing. Seriously, I believe anything that comes out your mouth and that video is purely perfect. I trust you and you are my favorite youtuber rn, so thank you so much :D

[@thezjk2796]

I really appreciate that, as far as I've seen from content creators, the way DPT's video has been treated is very nice and open. It's nice to see most people are still open minded even on the lore of this silly bear game.

[@pasteeater59]

You weren't mean to matpat man, I think you made playful jests towards him and for some people it's hard to hear something they may have believed is wrong. But just as MatPat isn't a fnaf expert, neither are you. Everything is just theorizing and done in good fun and I'm sure you'd have a sense of humor about people making fun of aspects of your theories

[@remingtonfiore9721]

55:23 I feel like ID is on the right track there for why CC and Cassidy have differing strengths over golden Freddy, though it would make more sense to me that the reasoning behind it is that CC didn’t presumably suffer as much from the bite as Cassidy being springlocked.

[@LaurenRoyalWoods]

Dude I love your 8 hour video, I watched it twice!

[@scribblecloud]

you HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD with how i feel about the minigames, and this is also shown really obviously in into the pit's minigames with how they describe the lore of stories that are already 100% confirmed and written out, and are obvious abstract simplifications of what actually happened

[@talkingnart1563]

Its so interesting seeing your new content GiBi. Hoping this deal is still working out for you so you can move on from the CWC stuff but still continue KZbin.

[@reptilianson3937]

Can you direct me to where I can learn more? I found him through his incredible lore video and fell in love with him. Shame people think he was too harsh in it.

[@talkingnart1563]

@@reptilianson3937 oh sure I think he has two channels the other is his OG channel now called "GiBis lolcow ranch" I recommend if they're still uploaded checking out his good idea bad idea (GIBI) series on "A Series of Unfortunate Events" Then seeing his Sperit documentary. Id personally avoid the CWC stuff its a dumb rabbit-hole you don't want to go down 🤢

[@pourcelaine]

has GiBi said he WANTS to move on from lolcow stuff? or is it just that CWC isn’t very active these days so even if GiBi wants to keep making lolcow content he doesn’t have much to work with at the moment?

[@necroleis]

Dude you were nice to matpat, you took some playful jabs at him and even said you wanted him to acknowledge you. The fact that you acknowledge other creators and give your two cents is refreshing since it kinda makes like a cool little think tank. Also think I got what Scott was going for with FNAF 4 Mike thought he was dreaming but he really wasn't. After CC's death he was traumatized and over a course of a week he is put on medication I'd guess depression anxiety and the IV was probably cause he wasn't eating much if anything. William probably took advantage of this to terrify him either for revenge over CC or to test out the sound disk. Also he probably wrote these off as nightmares is cause "what is seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child". So it probably played out like: when he told his parent(s) about nightmares he might've legitimately had they probably took him to a therapist and he was put on meds and then William started testing the sound disk as a punishment of sorts while still playing the part of a grieving yet loving father. Overtime he got worse symptoms due to lack of sleep (like probably said he's still having nightmares but the doctors probably assumed his nightmares caused his lack of sleep while Mike didn't know he was lacking sleep at all and maybe gave him an IV and additional meds to help him sleep.) William kept going with the experipunishment and which would result in Mike being asleep during the day (during which flowers would be placed) and then also helps explain the night where every monster is golden freddy since while the meds would help with the actual nightmares they wouldn't take them away completely; in these circumstances anyways.

[@Drake-xl1cu]

33:07 a lot of people think that there is a brown bunny. Because in the 8bit version of the bite we see, there is “a yellow bear, and a brown bunny” no, there is a yellow bear and a yellow bunny that is behind the bear, we see Fred bear facing directly sideways, towards the kids, but the bunny is not, he’s facing away, a little behind, therefore, with the limits of 8 bit the way to show that he’s not the center of attention is to mute his colors, making him look like he’s in the background. Yet I’ve seen so many people truly think this is yet ANOTHER bunny suit when quite literally a brown bunny has never ever been mentioned in the games. This sounds very similar to this. It’s a bunch of games telling a story, there are bound to be super slight changes, that doesn’t mean it’s “not golden Freddy” it just means that’s the version of him being portrayed. Similarly to how there’s not a brown bunny, that’s just how spring bonny is portrayed in the minigame

[@CedDrawsNear]

I think it's easy for someone to try and convince you of a theory if you don't have all the evidence in front of you. especially if the theory wraps everything up in a nice little package. It's fun to see your perspective on things however!!

[@AbusiveExclusive]

You have fast become my favourite FNAF theorist. I love your attitude towards the whole process.

[@Celtic1020]

29:22 it doesn't have to prove anything about how Fnaf 4 was written then. He outright stated that the contents of the box have changed. So it can be something newer.

[@enderbro8971]

True

[@TengryEmily1982]

Finally, I found another person who is skeptical of the DPT theory. Seriously, I don't want to seem too "rude" to people, with my directness and somehow offend a small channel without really achieving anything by myself, but their theory doesn't really solve anything 100% in lore, it still holds on thin threads, like the rest of the theories about GF. Rather, it is a distortion of William as a caring father, instead of a total evil and a*shole, as well as a change in Michael's goal (has anyone noticed his motives for revenge?) As for me, this belongs to the category of theories about Andrewgames

[@Zeal1103]

I think the graves being puppet to the last to move on would make sense because of her kinda being the caretaker of the children and waiting for all of them to move on until she finally can (and I think Henry’s speech also helps that)

[@sufi09853]

In fact, if there was two spirits in the Golden Freddy suit, then why would Golden Freddy say the phrase "It's Me"? Because if there were two spirits logically, then the phrase, "It's Me" wouldn't make any sense. The phrase "It's Me", refers to a single person being in Golden Freddy, not two people. In fact there's more evidence to point to the Crying Child being Golden Freddy in the cannon. Because in the FNAF 4 Mini games, we play as the Crying Child, and this kid is well known for getting scared of these robots. But which robot is he afraid of more to be exact? Well I think it's Golden Freddy. Because according to the Day 2 FNAF 4 Mini game, The Fred bear plush tells the kid, " It's too late. Hurry the other way and find someone who will help! You know what will happen if he catches you." When the Crying Child dose exactly what the plush tells him to do, he tries to run in the opposite direction. But when the person in the Golden Freddy suit towers over him, we see the crying child in defeat, crying on the floor. So according to this piece of evidence, we can say without a dough that the Crying Child is afraid more of the Golden Freddy suit then any other robot in Fred Bears Family Diner. So eventually when the Crying Child is dying due to the Bite of 83, the Crying Child when he dies becomes the Golden Freddy suit. Explaining why Golden Freddy in FNAF 1 saids "It's Me". Plus, just look at the FNAF 2 Mini Game, Happiest Day. When the puppet gives the cake to the child without a mask, that child when given the cake, puts on the Golden Freddy mask. Making that child to be the Crying Child. Because of his memories with the Golden Freddy suit. Also in the Happiest Day Mini Game, we don't see another child with a second Golden Freddy mask. We just see one kid with the Golden Freddy mask. Meaning that there can't be another child in the Golden Freddy suit. Meaning that the Cassidy we see in the FNAF Books aren't cannon to the games and was spawned into existence due to the speculation by theorist and wrong information. The only reason we have "evidence" for Cassidy is due to the Books and the Mystery about who Afton "shouldn't have killed". I also have a theory that explains on who the spirit that Afton himself shouldn't have killed. And my answer to that question is the Puppet, AKA Charlotte Emily. And my reasoning is very logical. Because Charlotte Emily was killed by Afton, so we know that she was directly involved as a victim of Afton. Plus Afton has been killing the kids that Charlotte Emily was trying to help and put back together in FNAF World + the FNAF 2 mini games. So if we connect those dots together we should realized one thing. Charlotte Emily in the Puppet, is the vengeful spirit in FNAF Custom night. Not Michael and Not the Crying Child. This also explains why in Happiest Day Mini Game why the puppet mask moves slowly down in the end then all of the other masks. Because it's symbolizes Charlotte Emily not moving on when she dose eventually helps the dead kids. Because she's angry at William for killing these poor kids. So Charlotte Emily sets up a torcher chamber in FNAF Custom night to show what Michael Afton himself had to go through in all of the other previous FNAF games.

[@zgmfx-09a]

I love how I've been yapping on about the fact that golden freddys head in fnaf 3 clearly has only 1 light source yet all of a sudden everyone is picking up on it. I only care about the TRUTH.

[@covereye5731]

It feels to me like there's a 'best fnaf theory we have ever seen' every 2 months now. Regardless of this being true, us fnaf discussion fans have been kept pretty well fed.

[@sheeshert]

24:06 Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I don't think this is true. The numbers are all from altered text (and one from Mike, for some reason). Some of the numbers are from incorrect page numbers, then there are some from jumbled numbers 1-10, and others are red for no reason. This is not from faded, but from altered...

[@Flaaffity]

I would love to hear your thoughts on fnaf world and it's connection to the security log book. It makes me feel like the glitch fredbear that leads the player to the clocks is the altered text. The crying child could be the player seeing as they say that they love video games and the bite could have messed up their memory or something. It's just weird for us to be shown that Mike is trying to help the spirits too, maybe he's the player instead? Guiding crying child to the truth (clearing in the woods)? It's just weird that the clock games are in fnaf 3 for happiest day.... Mike would have to do them right??? Like as the guard in the real world?

[@reiniamajiki4179]

I have two things to point out. 1) Old Man Consequences name is funny. Because yeah hes old to a child but its entirely possible he killed himself when he was mid 30s or 40s which isnt that old. But again, childs perspective. 2) have you ever thought of the parentage of CC? For a while i have had a nagging feeling that CC isnt an Afton, but it creates more problems than solutions. My main game canon pieces are the fnaf encyclopedia which i believe scott confirmed was canon, just like the survival guide. If i remember correctly Micheal and CC arent given a last name. The only people who are given a last name are William and Elizabeth. I still argue that Emily isnt a last name. Charlie and Mike dont get last names. So my theory that Mike and CC are not originally aftons is based on that. I personally believe CC is Henrys child, aka Charlie, and Afton remarried Henrys ex hence why they are his sons. My main hiccup with that is mike has that accent. But VS doesnt. It could be possible that mike was from absent mrs afton, william and henrys ex wife married, CC was Henrys child, and Elizabeth was born after marriage. Theres a lot more about this that will make a huge comment but i figured i would entertain the idea here.

[@nrudy]

So, I recently read in the comments of another video a great/terrible pun reason for the weird names (Charlotte Emily) - Basically, Charlotte is called Charlie in the books. Charlie is a nickname for Charles. So is the name Chuck. And thus, the name is a bad Chuck E Cheese joke. Poster also mentioned that in the books, Charlotte's Dad Henry and twin Brother Sammy, if they share a last name, then the initials of the family can be arranged to spell Cheese.

[@TengryEmily1982]

41:50 Not exactly what you're talking about, but your thought reminded me of another one in some theory that in order for children to be possessed by animatronics, they had to see their bodies, because without it they would be wandering spirits in a pizzeria, completely unaware (it seems that this was the case in the story Alone Together?). It's still terrible...

[@BasedPotat0]

Nah I don't think you were too mean, I think people are too hesitant to have their views challenged. I mean I disagree with a couple of conclusions you made, but I still really enjoyed the video and watched the whole thing. People need to learn how to hear new information that challenges their opinions/theories without taking it personally.

[@stryder1752]

I think theres something interesting to note for CC possessing the plush. If you do believe Jake in the books is a parallel to CC in the games, Jake also possesses a plush/doll. Which once it breaks from its cabinet the first thing he would see would be his own corpse within his room on the bed. Not saying this proves anything but it could be seen as a parallel with the idea you brought up about CC seeing his own body upon posessing the plush.

[@ZakBea]

thank u gibi for saving me from my lethargy with another banger of a theory video

[@jobbes3220]

Another thing about Cassidy experiencing the fnaf 4 gameplay is that the nightmare animatronics are in UCN, implying that Cassidy has seen them. And that the fnaf 4 bedroom is the final unlockable office. And how nightmare fredbear says "this time there is more than an illusion to fear." I always thought the breaker room map showing that fnaf 4 was a real place was always weird, but if you think of it as Cassidy it makes more sense. She's torturing Afton with the same animatronics and in the room that he tortured her.

[@megav1022]

2 gibi vids in the span of a few days??? We up fr.

[@amoralight9339]

1:06:48 this is why I love watching your videos. Being open to everyone’s theories and etc is key. 👌🏻

[@fnaf-ology]

A note on what was covered about presenting theories in a way that ignores evidence: as a 10 year franchise with an obscene amount of obscure lore, its unreasonable for theorists to assume viewers know all the evidence that's left unsaid. Which leads to new fans or old fans who dont have every bit of lore memorized watching new theories and being completely convinced in a misinformed way which leads to infighting amongst the community. So yeah love both this channel and ID's Fantasy. No hate to Duel Process though, their video was amazing and was great for starting new conversations and rehashing theories. Ok thats all

[@kathryn1515]

Poster heading: Five children now reported missing. Suspect convivcted. Gibi: the poster doesn't say anyone was convicted Suspect CONVIVCTED yeah no why would anybody think the Suspect was convicted

[@poolturtle5772]

@@kathryn1515 which is weird because that’s immediately contradicted by the text of the letter. Generally, I think it was just Scott not knowing the difference and in universe a sensational headline

[@joshuavis2736]

It only says the suspect is charged. When charged you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. If you are found guilty then you’re convicted. With help wanted saying nothing was proven in a court of law, William could’ve been charged but he wasn’t convicted due to lack of evidence

[@kathryn1515]

@@poolturtle5772 yeah it is contradicted but he was saying it didn't say convicted but it did even if it was contradicted

[@Flaaffity]

In the fnaf character book they describe the phantom animatronics as "looking burnt"

[@inxine]

i thought her saying that they "mislead" fans was abit unfair and unnecessary.

[@poolturtle5772]

I don’t disagree that it was unnecessary, however it is sort of a fair statement given that they try to make false equivalency or just omit specific parts of evidence (the easiest to poke at being the faceplate being the same as Bonnie’s face fully removing)

[@TheGeladoo]

It is a harsh word, but it's worth noting that most of the times when she says "mislead" she prefaces it with "unintentionally", so I don't think she means it to sound too harsh or that they did it out of malice. For example, there are lots of times in the video when they say they know something "for a fact" when it's just a theory that the majority of people believe in (or sometimes not even that). That is misleading wording, but they say it so often in the video that it feels like it's a writing tic that they have, like they don't realize they're saying something that isn't true (like when people say "literally" when talking about something figuratively).

[@fireboytheone]

it’s a negative word, but it’s understandable usage

[@gerilyn]

Same, ID’s video frankly gave me a really weird vibe compared to her other ones. I wasn’t even able to watch most of it because it seemed (ironically) unnecessarily harsh. I don’t fully agree with DPT or ID but still.

[@curio27]

I don’t think I’ve seen anybody talk about this yet (recently?), but as some one who has been inside of various giant felted costumed heads for their job once upon a time, I can say that the outer eye shape of a character DOES NOT match one for one what you see from the interior. The view from inside the head is often much narrower than what the external ‘eyes’ of the character appear to be. From the springlock Mike is placed into in sister location, it seems basically impossible to know/guess since we don’t get any hints at what the character actually looks like from the outside. TLDR; Mapping the eye shapes just isn’t going to be super reliable going from irl experience, but of course,,,,there’s always game logic and visual storytelling, which I understand does rely on people being able to put things together from the intentional visual clues.

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

It is definitely possible if not likely that Scott doesn’t have that irl experience, so I don’t know that it’s unlikely that the eye shape should correlate

[@nanopanda]

Look, I don't mind if someone is wrong or inconsistent with their theories. Its all the same when i need something to sleep to 😂💕

[@fatgothartist]

You didn't say anything bad about MattPatt I felt like. If it was a problem with him and he said so that's one thing. But there was nothing wrong with what you had said.

[@milana.x325]

If the events of the Stichtline (I think Frights is a bit much) are game canon, that does not mean Andrew is in Golden Freddy in my opinion. Andrew doesn't posses Golden Freddy in the books at all, and the spirit inside Golden Freddy is Cassidy. The question is, is Golden Freddy being shown in UCN necessarily mean Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK? It's easy to assume yes, but you could also argue for no, and that Cassidy twitching away is instead meant to represent that she was the one who let go, but Andrew kept holding on. Who knows though

[@CamKoudo]

35:12 if it wasn't for Chica saying that she was the first and that she has seen everything, things about the death order would be so much more simple

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

I honestly kind of vibe with Charlie dies last if I’m honest. Just from listening to true crime, the serial killers tend not to start with really personal kills - if they have those at all they tend to come later, so it kind of makes sense that William would have built toward a direct attack on Henry. You could even take Withered Chica saying she was the first as clarification from Scott that actually Suzie died first - which would work if only there was an alternate explanation for “a wound first inflicted on me.”

[@CamKoudo]

@c.r.blankenship9040 i know right?! It's like both of them are claiming to be the first! Unless Susie is somehow also Henry's child, one of them has to be wrong 🙃

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

@@CamKoudoyeah and if that’s the case, I feel like Henry being wrong is probably more likely, if only because Chica says that in the game immediately after that line of Henry’s, and so that could be taken as clarifying either that Henry is mistaken, or that he was referring to something else when he said “a wound first inflicted on me.” Too many clues seem to reinforce Chica as being first - both the grave stones and the Pizza Party mini game, so I think people are taking Charlie dying first as gospel when there’s significant evidence for Suzie

[@Drake-xl1cu]

18:22 keeping it civil, but i really don’t understand how people can possibly think that he’s in a coma. There are voice lines from the animatronics when you’re killed that talk about “never ending” and “a victim who CANNOT PERISH” who i clearly leads to the conclusion that you’re dead, already dead and cannot die again. If he was in a coma, or nightmare or whatever, you clearly can, in fact, die. No hate to anyone who thinks this but i don’t understand why it’s such a commonly accepted theory. It just doesn’t seem possible to me

[@ArduinFurry]

12:25 I wonder if in UCN, having the different versions of animatronics, in this case baby and springtrap, is meant to in someway signify that the original versions are more so the robot themselves, and the "new" versions are more so the spirit? This falls apart fast but I just wanted to put my thoughts on paper.

[@Dork692]

Bro I think u might be my favorite FNAF theorist now

[@crumbsNbass]

Love your work GiBi.

[@Souwp]

28:06 it wouldn’t make sense that William took CC home instead of a hospital because he was bitten by the animatronic in front of a bunch of people therefore he’d HAVE to go to a hospital nobody would just let William be like “ nah he’s fine he just needs to go home and rest “

[@loveflowerchainsaw]

You keep referring to your video as "the too long video" as if I haven't watched it four times

[@Alexpg19]

51:10 freddy slowly peeking through

[@DarkKyugara]

Nice, another video. Nothing better than play something while listening your videos =)

[@poolturtle5772]

52:10 Just tossing the Freddy puppet across the room now. What was he up to anyways?

[@TheGeladoo]

I honestly think it's a bit crazy to think Golden Freddy isn't related to TOYSNHK. No offense at all to the two theorists, but that would go against all the mystery building up through UCN. Like, even taking their theory into account: If GF's twitching at the end of 50/20 is the memory of CC dying in the suit, and that's meant to symbolize William's biggest regret, wouldn't CC be TOYSNHK instead? His biggest regret is killing CC, so CC is the one he shouldn't have killed? Doesn't that make more sense than it being Mike?

[@lisasmith3405]

I still believe in the major points in their theory and the theory as a whole.The Michael Afton being the vengeful spirit has good amount of evidence, the line by the elephant in the mediocre melodies,they burned us can be explained by that it wasn't confirmed in fnaf 3 that Michael burned down that fnaf 3 attraction, instead the person or persons who could do it was Cassidy/cc, the muppet because they both appear in 3 as not in the regular phantom forms maybe besides golden freddy and Henry did burn Michael in fnaf 6,so they would not contradict that line.I do believe that because of the new fnaf book confirming that if a animatronic is possessed by one spirit says its me like golden freddy and the pig animatronic from the book says " your ladies in waiting" and that basically confirmed how possessed animatronics say their name.I respect Id's fantasy and other theorist,they bring up good points but the evidence and that the majority of things in fnaf are assumptions built on assumptions that aren't spelled out in cannon.Also forgot but new theory from them about cds and vanessa being Michael Afton's daughter and that he is being brainwashed and gaslit to being Micheal afton by glitch trap/mimic that wants her to stuff and get gregory which is a cassidy bot into getting bit by a animatronic because it is mimicking that tragic events of the past

[@TheShoopful]

I already watched ID's video but I'm here bc I ❤ GiBi

[@SophieStoneXII]

okay so at 00:44:06 - British person here - if I were to move to the states and live there potentially for decades, I'd pick up the local accent. My natural British accent would stand out among others at first but over time, being surrounded by a different way of people talking sounding the same - my own voice would adjust [be it slightly or severely] whether I wanted it to or not. But it would probably take a long period of time to do so. it could also take me a week but, a change in ones environment can have a HUGE impact on someone's natural accent. Hope this helps.

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

While that is true and a very good point, a born and raised American would still probably be able to pick you out as British. We’re able a lot of times to pick up on what part of the country each other are from between parts with very similar accents, down to the individual state sometimes. A Brit would stick out like a sore thumb, even if their accent had somewhat faded

[@maxon1712]

12:47 the reason fred bear and golden freddy might me interchangeable could be to draw attention and show the player they are the same

[@bigbrain1415]

2:22 Gibi the only video I would call the "Greatest FNAF Video Of All Time" is 8hrs and 47 minutes long...

[@OldWinterKing]

Good thing you reacted to this. I chose not to only because it had "FINALLY SOLVED" plastered all over the front. I've never seen one of these vids solve anything

[@poolturtle5772]

The title didn’t bother me that much because MatPat and others have been doing it for a while. Would rather just make judgements after I watch the video.

[@irreligiositat]

the community has been using titles like that for YEARS, I think people dont mind because they know its just a click bait to make people engage in the discussion and thats fine

[@cherrystryder]

Is that a sonichu medallion in the background of this video?

[@HorrorHomestead]

rosechu, too

[@CamKoudo]

23:42 hold up, that's actually a really good point!! 😮 Completely forgot that the letters for the name Cassidy aren't next to each other

[@richardnixon846]

the better term for “it was for me” “the party was for you” would be corroborate , alter text speaker corraborates it, it points to that being true

[@mannyegarica12]

12:33 well circus baby and scrap baby are different because one is when Elizabeth fully takes over the robot and the other one is she hasn't fully taken over the robot. And Golden Freddy and fredbear are the same and also different because of modifications for the company to save try money cheaply which usually causes. problems.

[@lostmonkey]

I thought the solution to the crossword was found via altered page numbers, not faded clues.

[@RaptieFeathers]

We need to sic the FNAF theorist community on Warhammer 40K-they'd have a field day dissecting everything. :D

[@Lumberjack_king]

46:27 while this does make sense how would some random Joe know about mangle and why do the phantom’s look damaged and burnt

[@samuelviden7412]

So, did you notice in “Midnight Motorist”, they drive on the left hand side? 🤔😉

[@dumflame]

How sure are we that it’s not a mistake or just because the gameplay would be better?

[@samuelviden7412]

@@dumflame Oh, I was just making a callback to the fact that I was the one who originally pointed that out to GiBi :D My comment is featured in his video about MM :)