Five Nights at Freddy's has REALLY BAD Lore Puzzle Design | How FNAF Theorists Come Up with Nonsense

[@zimattack9994]

and this is why I stopped caring

[@MarionettistStudios]

Scott clarified that the Sister Location Custom Night cutscenes were canon in the "Golden Freddy Update is Live" post on December 3rd, 2016. This is why there is no debate as this is one of the few aspects of the games that was immediately clarified on whether it was canon or not.

[@TaiSaysHello]

fnaf feels like a simple story made complex because it constantly withholds information

[@1987nightrap]

Indeed

[@at_witts_end3470]

Yep. And then locks essential lore behind a paywall that most people don't want to deal with and so they just ignore the lore and then we end up with a situation where half of the fan base thinks Cassidy is some hyper aggressive bully to the other MCI and the other half thinks William Afton is being haunted by Micro Monty. Edit: in case it wasn't obvious, I'm team Micro Monty 🐊

[@johnes2337]

A single season of any TV show is probably more detailed and complex than FNAF lore.

[@blackwhitestudios5953]

​@at_witts_end3470 i havent read the books, could you explain what micro monty is? I figure youre talking andrew being the vengeful spirit, im just not familiar with the term micro monty?

[@TaiSaysHello]

@@blackwhitestudios5953 it's cuz he wears an alligator mask in a story

[@fnaf-ology]

Mike: I've been living in the shadows... Also Mike: parades down neighborhood street every day

[@twistanturnu529]

He lives in a society

[@ConfusedMoon-yd2bx]

He wasn't living in shadows yet imo

[@syweb2]

He was literally being puppeteered by Ennard, he had no choice until it left his body.

[@sworishina]

@@fnaf-ology Ennard was parading down the street, not Michael

[@fnaf-ology]

Yes friends this is a joke

[@CptRennett]

I think Ennard repeating dialogue from a non-canon ending is just Scott recycling dialogue in order to not make the voice actors do another take. He did something similar with Michael’s speech. He wanted Mike’s last lines to be slowed down but he didn’t want to make the voice actor do a second take, so he did it artificially which ended up making Mike sound like a robot.

[@HorrorHomestead]

Yes, this is the out of universe reason.

[@nexus3756]

That one made me mad. there was no thought put into it. Robot sounding voice. immediate springtrap after. how was this missed? at that point I just completely dismissed the lore as being random B8(*79876 when it was revealed to just be basically a mistake.

[@ciboria1]

I don't think its a disagreement between FNAF 3 having faulty wiring "vs" Michael burning it down He just used the faulty wiring to commit the arson

[@palokyu9891]

How do you “use” faulty wiring to set a fire? How did he know the wiring was faulty, and after he figured that out how did he purposely get it to catch the building on fire? Did he just turn on every single light switch in the building and hope the wires were bad?

[@ciboria1]

@palokyu9891 He grew up with animatronic designer fir a father, he'd recognise bad workmanship anywhere I've been on houses where the power box was so bad, that it would require much to either overload the system, or cut off the insulation off a cable, throw in a piece of paper as well and you got something to burn

[@palokyu9891]

@@ciboria1 ah, I thought wiring referred to the stiff inside the walls that he wouldn’t have been able to see

[@halozachc]

It’s obvious it’s just a cover for burning the building down. The place is already a safety hazard. The place burning down wouldn’t surprise anyone. Just say he burned it down with gasoline or something. It doesn’t matter. It literally doesn’t matter how it burns down. Either way it burns to the ground. So much fnaf lore is just semantics that don’t matter and the deeper you go the more you see major parts of the lore EXTRA don’t matter. Everyone is so busy trying to explain lore shit that didn’t matter in the first place instead of getting a coherent storyline and how the games connect.

[@benwelsh5265]

Mini rant incoming so apologies in advance. FNAF is guilty of wanting to have its Happiest Day cake and eat it too. At times it comes off as an intentionally vague and ambiguous story that invites interpretations and isn't all that interested in defining itself too much. Other times it comes off as a very intentional puzzle teasing us with the idea it has a very specific solution that can be found out. In trying to be both of these things it just creates this frustrating vibe of playing a game with an opponent who changes all the rules on a whim. At some point the game of solving the lore began to feel rigged and utterly one-sided. The lore of this series is a mess; a mess me and my autistic brain are very fond of but still indefensibly, irreversibly, irreconcilably a total clusterfuck of a mess that has slim to no chances of fully unfucking itself without a massive reboot or Scott breaking the habit of a lifetime and actually just telling the story rather than continuously implying the existence of one via ergodic storytelling except without the actual payoff.

[@CharaViolet]

We know that the Mike cutscenes are canon because Scott said so in still-available steam community posts. ...Really wish he'd clarify similar things in public posts NOWADAYS!!!!!!

[@at_witts_end3470]

EXACTLY. I think the fact a lot of these posts aren't here anymore is the real issue. It's what's causing the "books aren't canon" thing. And the "well PurplePhone isn't true so we didn't get it all right" Cause Scott already clarified both of these.

[@johnes2337]

I feel like the best way to understand how Scott Cawthon tells stories is by analyzing Scott Cawthon's games from before FNAF (e.g. The Desolate Hope) and reading the Bible (since Scott Cawthon is a very deep Christian). I'm guessing the themes, vibes, and emotional impact of the story probably matter more than a super strict continuity. This is usually the approach that comics and episodic TV shows tend to take. FNAF has a story that is supposed to be about the tragedy of childhood trauma and the lost innocence of dead kids, not necessarily the intricate facets of how the Freddy's Pizzeria franchise works on a technical level. Scott Cawthon is much better at developing overall plots and vibes to fill in the blanks rather than technical details and specific character dialogue and interactions, which he kinda sucks at.

[@CoracaoAcidental98]

Yeah I think that's the big thing, he doesn't have a full story, he has bits and pieces and a thematic understanding on how he wants them to fit, and when you look that way makes much more sense why so many stuff seems inconsistent, because is theme over logic and continuity, wich is not even bad on itself, is just not what most people want.

[@riskopalfi801]

Don't forget about the very inconsistent technology. How this super advanced Mimic endo is older than both The Toys and The Funtimes and MXES is apparently a decades old sentient supercomputer.

[@aliendilo3105]

Well that seems to be the constant trend right? First we have the toys which are more advanced than the OGs, but are at least (depending on your timeline) 2 years older. The Funtimes seem generally agreed upon to be at least as old as the Toys, if not older. And they are more advanced. Naturally if we keep going backwards the suits will only get better... right?

[@RevaloNodriana]

This is a consequence of Scott's love for sci-fi, the guy can't help it.

[@HeyLoiss]

Let's cut the nostalgia bias bullshit and stop acting like the Mimic is in any way more sci-fi than the Funtimes- it's absolutely not. The fact that the Mimic was made, like, 4 years before the Funtimes isn't the gotcha you want it to be. The Mimic is at least styled to look old, and was originally a mechanically simple legless animatronic made out of random trash like the empty casing of an old 70s computer. His sci-fi aspect is the mimicking AI, and the Funtimes have almost the exact same thing- except they're also fully mobile AI-sentient kidnapping bots with sleek sci-fi designs and storage tanks.

[@tentacleteapot]

I really feel like the issues with FNAF storytelling boil down to the perfect storm that is Scott not wanting to be up-front about some things, Scott not explaining other things when he should (or at all), a lot of fans not having literary analysis experience, and fans not knowing which details are actually important, which leads to Scott tossing in answers to debates that didn’t need to be addressed rather than covering important things. the Bite of 87/“big bite” is the perfect example of this, in my opinion-in a vacuum it’s just a throwaway joke in FNAF 1. like, who ‘did it’ doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t matter if the bite even actually happened or if it’s just an urban legend Phone Guy is passing on or something-it’s a throwaway line that establishes “the animatronics CAN move around, they USED to do it during the day but now only do it at night, and they pose a threat to you, the player”. it’s the ‘Noodle Incident’ from Calvin & Hobbes-something that doesn’t ever need to be explained and is funnier or more interesting or scarier if it’s unexplained, because whatever actually happened would be less satisfying than what audiences imagine. but fans latched onto it as a mystery that had to be solved, and I think Scott threw in a bunch of worldbuilding and built up a mystery around it after the fact. I feel like we should’ve seen Scott saying “I use new games to explain or respond to things people didn’t understand in previous ones”, or whatever his quote was, as something of a warning sign: to me it’s an indication that Scott doesn’t care enough about making basic story elements clear before he releases said story, and doesn’t plan ahead far enough or outline what he’s building toward in a way that makes sense. I dunno, I feel weird saying that a Fnaf theorist being pessimistic about Scott’s storytelling style is a breath of fresh air, but it kind of is-pretending Scott never makes mistakes, never retcons things, and watches the fandom like a hawk and knows exactly what people care about solving has lead the fandom and theorist spaces into a very weird place. I think it should be more accepted and common for people to acknowledge when the lore is contradictory or straight up unsolvable-I love a lot of things about Fnaf but the way the story has been told for most of its life is NOT one of them. if it wouldn’t hurt the KZbin theorist ‘economy’ for him to remove some of the mystery, I like to hope Scott would’ve actually sat down and clarified some of the extremely basic information we’re still lacking by now.

[@blackwhitestudios5953]

I 10000% agree that the fandom needs to stop thinking of scott as infallible when it comes to making theories. The amount of people who to this day think theres only ever been 1 retcon make it hard for any real progress to get made.

[@BudgetAthena]

​@@blackwhitestudios5953 while it's well and good to acknowledge that Scott is human and capable of mistakes and changing his mind, opening the floodgates to more retcons is not going to help the actual theorizing part of the community. The one known retcon already gets used as a get out of jail free card when people make their complete timeline theories.

[@blackwhitestudios5953]

@BudgetAthena I agree that the knowledge of retcons being present could lead to some wacky theory crafting. But counterpoint, I think the "one retcon" gets used like the free space in bingo because it's so vague. Only thing we know about it is that it exists and it occurred before pizza simulator. So basically by its vague nature I can claim something super wacky like phone guy was originally mike Schmidt from the future but then it got retconned lol. I think people being open to the idea that the inconsistencies in the stories are retcons could allow more freedom in how information we do have is interpreted. That was kinda my main point with my comment. Side note: Scott's definition of a retcon and the technical definition of one don't gel together. So that's my other issue with the "one retcon" is that there's demonstrably more than "one" of them. For example, if the community is right and michael is a night guard in the first 2 games. Those are both retcons by definition, but i don't think anyone thinks either of those are the "one retcon".

[@tentacleteapot]

@@blackwhitestudios5953 Scott definitely doesn't use the word 'retcon' the way most people do-I feel like any other fandom would keep extensive track of the contradictory elements introduced in each new story and call them out, much like the Star Wars fandom seems to with everything that even remotely doesn't line up. but in the FNAF fandom and theorist spaces, that definitely doesn't happen: instead, like you pointed out, I get the impression that some theorists save the 'one retcon' to use in case of an emergency contradiction when they work on FNAF timelines or bigger theories, and that's not how it's supposed to work at all.

[@blackwhitestudios5953]

@tentacleteapot I completely agree. The fnaf fandom interprets information wayyy differently than any other fandom I've been apart of. I think it stems from what Gibi has said before that Fnaf tends to be people's first/only fandom

[@JinxeBlaq]

Hey GiBi how would you feel if Scott and Steel Wool did a full remake of every FNAF game but with future lore actually mixed in to give us a “Definitive Edition.” Of course this wouldn’t include anything Help Wanted and after, because that’s so far into the future. But I think it’d be pretty cool, it’d clear up some details that were only added in after the fact, and remove things that don’t fit into the lore. I personally think it’d be a net positive overall.

[@HorrorHomestead]

Director's cut. I actually like that idea.

[@johnes2337]

@@HorrorHomestead FNAF needs a reboot with modern AAA graphics and more realistic and complex gameplay jobs and enemy AI. FNAF animatronics in the games are more stupid than ghosts in Pac-Man. FNAF gameplay itself could use a few more cameras, maintenance, lights, knobs, switches, keys, doors, lockers, tools, and inventories. If game designers from Nintendo decided to go all-in on the security camera premise of FNAF, they'd make a much more well-designed and fun game with cursed imagery.

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

@ yeah but u dont cover the steel wool era so thered be no stuff for u to solve doesn't that make u jobless?

[@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia]

Istg, FNAF is the very rough first draft of a SciFi novel written during NaNoWriMo. It started off in one direction, then went into a newer, shiner direction, ninjas were added, some plot lines were added, a couple got forgotten, and some of the ends that should had been tied up were left to fray. The draft _should had_ been cleaned up in later months, but instead it was uploaded straight to Wattpad, where it acquired a strong following almost immediately, and while we're all scratching out heads wondering what it is we're engaging with, we've been here for this long and are determined to see the end.

[@ryleeBcrylee]

5:24 "so playing the bonus non-canon mode is giving you an epilogue to the real story?" just like the interactive novels leading us to non-canon (or bad) endings in order to gain items/info in order to play again to get the canon (or good) ending? hmmmm

[@thevipez8740]

My theory is that the story has so many retcons and contradictions at this point and thats why Scott doesn’t want to answer any questions about the story or clear up anything As the fandom will get upset, which is something that seems to terrify him

[@at_witts_end3470]

Yeah. I think the reason he's so scared to touch the one is cause he knows Cassidy fans will eat him alive tbh. That's why he's forcing MegaCat to poke that bear, lol

[@thevipez8740]

@@at_witts_end3470 Also from his interview with Dawko he said we was actually terrified of the reception to the FNAF movie, and literally like went off the internet for like an entire week because he was so scared that the fandom wouldn't like it I think that type of mentality could point towards the reason why he does not want to clear up anything in the franchise Like midnight motorist for example is the most bizarre minigame ever that doesn't really fit anywhere, like why can't he at least give us a clue about anything? - What is the mascot that lead the son away? Is it william? Is it golden freddy? Is it something else? - Who is sitting in the chair watching TV? Is it micheal or some other character we have never seen before? - What is the random mound in the woods? - Who is the son? Is it a mci kid? Is it CC? is it micheal? - Everything points to the dad being William but how does this even fit into the timeline of anything? Like whats going on with CC and micheal then? Like why can't he at least just give us a clue on any of these things so lol

[@CandiBuunny]

That glue looks so delicious

[@TheGeladoo]

It's even more misleading than that if you think about it. Why did he choose to make Mike a literal walking purple man, when there was already a different iconic purple man character in the series? I remember these cutscenes creating a whole mess back then of people fighting about who really is inside Springtrap.

[@johnes2337]

Technically, Micheal Afton and William Afton both turn purple when they die. It's just that Micheal Afton has a metal animatronic inside of him while William Afton is inside of a metal animatronic. Springtrap is a human pretending to be an animatronic while Ennard/"Sitchwraith" (Micheal Afton) is an animatronic pretending to be a human.

[@Niyariii]

⁠@@johnes2337William is depicted as purple even before he dies, e.g the FNAF 2 and 3 mini games. The reason Michael is also depicted as purple is to emphasize the fact that the Afton men look very similar and could be mistaken for one another, as stated by Michael in the SL epilogue. I wouldn’t call it misleading, I’d call it very purposeful and necessary. He even gives Michael’s sprite clothes to differentiate him from William

[@johnes2337]

@@Niyariii I meant William Afton's dead corpse inside of the FNAF 3 Springtrap 3D model is literally purple. William Afton was definitely not a physically purple-skinned man in the FNAF 2 and FNAF 3 minigames. A disfigured purple humanoid body with a badge is just a simple, iconic, uncanny, and evil looking character design that is open to interpretation in the vagueness of the FNAF storyline.

[@omniscientomnipresent5500]

William Afton is purple because he's in the dark and the pixel art needed to make it more visible on the black arcade machine background. Also, purple is a color that was only attainable from jellyfishes and therefore worn by kings to flaunt therefore is often used on villains, eccentric or rich characters or mix of those. The serie has a HUGE focus on memories. He goes back to the sister location of the pizzeria to save his deceased sister(double entendre in the title), but in the bad ending, she ends up tricking him to escape with his body. He's mimicking his father and his body is rotting, infested by ghost possessed machines, of course it's get like that. Also, everyone in the fandom calls William purple guy so it'd make sense Scott uses the color purple to denote him/his influence. In a poster representing the family in fnaf 6, Micheal's also represented as a ventriloquist Puppet identical to the one representing his father, a ventriloquist.

[@Takejiro24]

Scott has fun trolling the fan base at times ☠️

[@KaraDennison]

Just a quick note to thank you for injecting media literacy into FNaF theorizing. Please continue to do so.

[@UnderseaRexieVT]

With the Sister Location thing, I think the idea is that we've seen before, like FNAF 3. The different endings are still valid possibilities, and thus it's not fully non-canon. Mike canonically didn't go to Ennard's room, but the information gained there is still canon. Just cause Mike didn't canonically do Custom Night doesn't mean the cutscenes there aren't canon. There's always been a split between gameplay, minigames, and cutscenes in these games. You have to evaluate them individually. As a reminder, we just got a book that says Ralph the phone guy recorded his canon messages in a 2nd playthrough where he brings a cellphone back in time from a dead reporter. The FNAF story is a mess, which is part of why it's fun to try to figure out threads and how the pieces fit together. But I won't disagree that some threads are just stupid.

[@gubsy3730]

7:06 Nice to know that Mad Catz went from making controllers and memory cards to FNAF games.

[@HorrorHomestead]

im a mega idiot

[@FrankyIrony]

I thought this too lol

[@sworishina]

About Sister Location. Mike Schmidt was ALWAYS the implied protagonist IMO, not William. The hand unit is labeled to belong to him and he inputs four letters for his name. I know that I personally never thought it was William, I always thought it was Mike Schmidt, even before the custom night was added, and I was like 13 and stupid.

[@aliendilo3105]

It also makes less sense for it to be William. There is a constant undertone of Baby thinking it's William, but if it actually was.... wouldn't he know how fucking dangerous these robots are? For it to be William it'd be very out of character for him to do... well any of this stuff.

[@sworishina]

@aliendilo3105 agreed.

[@TheGeladoo]

I know this is 100% correct so I am not arguing against the fact that Michael is the MC in SL. But something I've never understood is why Scott decided to make the label on a piece of equipment that was already there into evidence. Like, sure, this keyboard inside of an elevator is labeled "Mike", but how long has that label been there? Who put it there? If the MC was the one who slapped it in, or if he reacted to it, that would be one thing, but it's just... there. From day one. No changes or reactions. It's like it's trying to say Mike is HandUnit's name, not the MC's. It always felt like a weird clue to me if the intended way to interpret it is "this piece of technology that we use was labeled Mike by an unknown person at an unknown time because we play as Mike". But I think Scott might just be a bad puzzle designer.

[@sworishina]

@TheGeladoo I honestly have no idea why so many people interpreted it as HandUnit's name. It's implied in the game that there's more than one HandUnit and using a label maker to label different employees' things is a normal practice on things like lockers, hard hats, etcetera. I've seen it in my own workplace. I was 13 when SL was released but it always seemed to me that the HandUnit had Mike's name on it because it was labeled as belonging to Mike. It's not a retcon at all, that's what it always meant. Edit: and to be clear, HandUnit does not appear to be attached to the elevator; he's on Michael's person. He's just only used in the elevator.

[@TheGeladoo]

@@sworishina The fact that it's only used in the elevator is what confused me. If it was supposed to be something Mike carries around, Scott should've made it something he's pulling out more often. For me, it always felt like a keyboard that popped up automatically in the elevator when the announcer asked you a question, because... that's literally what it does during gameplay. And again, like I said twice in my original comment, I'm not saying it's a retcon, or that it's not true, just that Scott isn't very good at design. There are way better ways to make something have the clear meaning you want it to have. For example, what I just said about having HandUnit pop up more often (literally could just be one more place other than the elevator) would make it completely obvious it's not only on Mike's person but also that it *belongs* to Mike, and not a piece of technology that's just been in the facility for who knows how long. He could use the HandUnit for Night 2's map, for example.

[@mysiklp2509]

I assume that Mike’s promenade is just Ennard “pretending” Since it’s after Mike’s job has concluded, the only thing Ennard can be doing is just going on walks because that’s what a normal person does. Adults leave the house for a long time every day so that’s what they’ve gotta do with their Michael meat suit

[@erinashlee2690]

I just love listening to Gibi's voice, I've already watched the too-long fnaf video like 50 times I'm hoping he will see this and possibly be open to making more long videos to sleep to, etc?

[@prosecutorwalton]

Crackpot theory. Lets assume Mike gets a gut feeling that he can't trust "Baby"s directions (because getting kidnapped and shit talked gave him trust issues around her) end ends up in Ennard night. Either he canonically loses and gets dragged off and scooped, or he makes it to the end of the night and leaves only to be dragged back and scooped after Ennard roles up in the house.

[@prosecutorwalton]

More crack! That's why it was basically impossible at launch! To hint that Mike DOESN'T make it out of there. But the community pushed back that it HAD to be beatable so Scott threw us a bone and reduced the difficulty.

[@LadyLuckyLu]

​@prosecutorwaltonI really like this crackpot theory. Well done!

[@zgmfx-09a]

Dont forget the 87 clues in fnaf 4 teasers LOL

[@Takejiro24]

Scott was for sure trolling us back then ☠️

[@thecarnomeleon538]

I was ALWAYS confused by FNAF 2 being a prequel, we know it literally provably is but literally every aspect of the games design doesn't show that at all. I guess the idea is that the withered stuff gets refurbed by 1 but it makes NO SENSE and it's always bugged me.

[@johnes2337]

FNAF lore is like training wheels for young conspiracy theorists to then apply their skills to uncover underground organizations and mass child murderers in real life. (bizarre idea)

[@Swing_Bonnie]

FNaF is very funny in that regard. I have always said the reason why it feels like the story changes randomly for no reason or why important clues seemingly go nowhere or it just being simply nonsensical is because it sets up everything just vaguely enough where if people aren't getting it or aren't happy with where the story is going Scott can just "recontexualize" it without _really_ retconning what ever it is. Security Breach's ending I think are a great example, because at least for me personally it really did feel like everything was pointing it the Burntrap ending being canon. Even code found in the Switch port was pointing to that conclusion, but nah fam actually its a completely different ending is seemingly cannon and the Pizzaplex just kinda ends up like that through some other non-disclosed fashion

[@Axos_Abode]

Every time i see a puzzle with an actual somewhat understandable answer in anything else I think it's too simple and they wouldn't just give away answers like that because FNaF has poisoned my brain

[@2-nome]

OMG YOUR VIDEOS ALWAYS SHOW ME SOMETHING I DIDNT KNOW. I had no idea the "you won't die" line comes from ennard night, that's so weird in that case hmm

[@at_witts_end3470]

It literally means nothing. It's just Scott reusing audio. Ennard Night is still the "Fake Ending"

[@alexschneider1667]

Fnaf lore is awesome if you just pick and chose conflicting theories or plot lines to believe because you like them. I accept theories in my head based on how well they’re presented, how much I like the evidence, or if I like the story implications. I don’t bother having an internally consistent perspective on the story, I just take whichever bits I like and throw them together. It’s so much more enjoyable

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

To give Scott a small amount of credit, the Foxy tied to Phone Guy thing was mostly a result of the Fandom going on a wild tangent convinced Purple Guy had a secret identity. Phone Guy doesn’t care about Foxy in FNAF 1 at all, it’s just a throwaway line in 2. Also FNAF 3 mostly didn’t have any misdirection, it was what it looked like, and people solved it completely more or less within a week. And Sister Location is only confusing if 4 isn’t solved, if you know Mike Schmidt is Foxy Bro going in it’s no problem

[@aliendilo3105]

Yeah, I think Sister Location was a giant mess because it was picking up from a story no-one knew. Since no-one solved fnaf 4, no-one could've made sense of SL until Scott beat us over the head with it.

[@WitheredCircle]

I think the post Custom Night cutscenes are metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally: Mike is doing everyday stuff around the neighbourhood and people are starting to notice something's off about him

[@Someguyhere111]

How is the same line being in both a canon and non-canon ending an issue? Baby would ofc assure him he won't die no matter what route you take. The non-canon ending is just a what-if, set in the same scenario with the same parameters. One little change leads to a different ending, but it's still Baby trying to convince Michael to just let Ennard enter him. Also don't get why you're so hung up on where he's coming from/going to in those cutscenes, he's literally just walking down the street. His starting point and destination aren't the focus, it's his condition and the changing reactions of those looking at him. Also seems a bit much to call most of these 'lies'. FNAF 2 being a prequel instead of a sequel isn't a lie, nor is CC having similarities to Puppet. CC looking like Puppet could be a nod to the fact that his death is what leads to Puppet's creation, or it could have just been a coincidence and Scott didn't even realise it. I think the closest thing to a lie in the series is Pizzaeria Simulator being marketed as just a small, non-important spin-off, then actually being the penultimate title in the Afton saga.

[@maskofthedragon]

I'm 99.9% sure FNAF2 is only a prequel because Scott didn't come up with a reason to reuse Phone Guy otherwise

[@thelogicalfallacy]

I think a lot of these can be easily answered by listening to mr.hippo dialogue over and over again until you realize we're just a bunch of dead birds stuck in a frozen lake surrounded by bread crumbs. The story isn't the issue but our own head canons.

[@at_witts_end3470]

"Kizzy, if I make a game that contradicts one of your theories, it doesn't mean that my game is wrong, it means your theory needs to evolve. Otherwise, you should probably change your website name to Kizzylore, rather than FNaFLore. ;)" -Scott Cawthon Basically, if you think something is one way and then it's shown to be the other way, it's the other way. Just accept it and move on.

[@finisterre2415]

I think a big reason between the disconnect between Scott Cawthon and the theorising community is because of a confusion between "Story" and "Lore". The story for the FNaF games are quite simple, you can figure them out by simply playing the games. but the lore is a different beast entirely. Think of it like this; The "Story" of Star Wars is a 6 movie epic about The Chosen One. and the story definitely builds on the lore, but the lore is a different - if connected - thing. You don't need to know about Darth Revan to understand Vader's sacrifice, much like how the Seabonnies for example, don't affect the average player's understanding of FNaF 1. In short: Story is simple, lore is frustrating.

[@pinknblackproductions]

I think there is no “one” answer simply because the lore is being written backwards and inside out. Scott’s essentially backfilling the information where he originally didn’t have much planned for FNAF. First it was just 1 game, then it was games 1-3, then 1-4, then 1-UCN, now who knows how far it’s going to go. He keeps adding things to an already existing story so not everything is going to fit. Even the greatest writers and puzzle makers would struggle with making something this way.

[@omniscientomnipresent5500]

William Afton is purple because he's in the dark and the pixel art needed to make it more visible on the black arcade machine background. Also, purple is a color that was only attainable from jellyfishes and therefore worn by kings to flaunt therefore is often used on villains, eccentric or rich characters or mix of those. The serie has a HUGE focus on memories. He goes back to the sister location of the pizzeria to save his deceased sister(double entendre in the title), which he doesn't succeed to in the good znding either, but in the bad ending, she ends up tricking him to escape with his body. He gets a bad end for following in his father footsteps and his body is rotting, infested by ghost possessed machines, of course he'll get like that. Also, everyone in the fandom calls William purple guy so it'd make sense Scott uses the color purple to denote him/his influence. In a poster representing the family in fnaf 6, Micheal's also repesented as a ventriloquist Puppet identical to the one representing his father, a ventriloquist. That's why in the cutscenes he comes back again and again. Ennard is literally a pack of ghosts who can't move on from the past, made of wires made by the guy who killed them and wearing an old circus mask (who was revealed to be based on a character who's literally a robot imitating past interactions that literally kills everyone only because he was simply told to once in the past and that William is imitating). The literal catchphrase of the villain of the serie is "I always come back". And the most vengeful ghost says "I will never let you go" and is told off to move on even by an old ghost trapped for eternity in the same place (old man consequences). Guess I'll just copy this comment in the main comment section rather.

[@1987nightrap]

I personally don't think the crying child is golden freddy

[@johnes2337]

The Crying Child doesn't possess anything. His death started a curse that caused later tragic events to unfold. (just a theory)

[@at_witts_end3470]

Yep. If anything, shatter or memory victim seems more likely. I lean shatter as 83-85 are the happiest day pages in RttP and it makes "I will put you back together" feel better. Like Cassidy's promise or something.

[@breadclip9911]

A lot of people forget that golden freddy giggles like a little girl in FNAF 1. Golden Freddy has always been possessed by a girl

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@breadclip9911 As soon as Scott used that clip, he probably has GF planned as a girls soul. At least in the games

[@ScottE-2]

I find it hilarious that for the scene in which Ennard takes over Michael... he uses a single frame of Rick Astley from Never Gonna Give You Up in silhouette. The pun is not lost on me and the fact this overflew so many in the fandom is hilarious to me. He snuck in a Rick Roll into his game... massive respect for Scott.

[@150booyadragon]

I said this in a reply to a comment recently but I truly believe somebody needs to sit down and make a factual timeline. No trying to connect dots, no theories, only "What we do know A-Z" There are so many people so far off the rails because they latched on to a theory that came out before FNAF 2. People not understanding how to connect games and books and movies to make a cohesive story. People forgetting about information that's right there in front of them. And importantly, state things that are clearly retconned. (Crying Child obviously being pointed to the puppet before Charlie's introduction and Crying Child being relegated to Golden Freddy, despite him being killed by Fredbear and loving a Fredbear plush and NOT Golden Freddy who is distinct from Fredbear?) Then we need more people following TDreads and over analyzing the games and their cutscenes and the books. There's information that has been totally overlooked entirely, whether probably meaningless (14 theory, that's not saying it wasn't a really cool find) or has anybody ever discussed the similarities of Mangle and Lefty before TDreads stream recently? Or Lefty in general before Dual Process Theory, beyond if he used to be or is related to the Carnival Bear animatronic? I feel so much of this is missed because people are so focused on following old theories that they just aren't looking. Nobody cares about Lefty because you want to hyper focus on Afton and the Funtimes, but what if Lefty is a lot more relevant? Basically what I'm saying is the community needs to do some serious house keeping and until this happens I don't think anybody can ever truly piece together this scattered and dented puzzle.

[@Takejiro24]

IIRC, RyeToast has tried to create timelines with what's only been shown in the games if that helps.

[@Celtic1020]

This isn't all that strange. You get canon lore from dying all the time. And I don't see anyone arguing player deaths are canon. Neither is typing on wall tiles like a psychopath. Canon information has always been found in non-canonical sources. It's counterintuitive, but not new.

[@jackmuir5314]

Baby/Ennard (who cares) lines in the non-canon part of SL can still confirm that who we play as (Michael Afton) in the canon scooper ending won't die. Think of it like branching timelines. A person's knowledge in one timeline can exist in some way in the other timeline, as long as what they know occurs before the branching happens. Baby/Ennard, for whatever reason, believes the player will not die after being killed - presumably bc they know possession exists AKA your spirit *can* live on.

[@molamola9723]

All those 87s and ‘was it me?s’ in the fnaf4 teasers must mean we’re finally getting the answer to what happened during the bite of 87… right?

[@juliejunkyardx]

One thought I had that I would love to hear your perspective on: The Puppet still being in Freddy’s after Charlie’s death implies that he was found next to her body, right? So does that also imply that whatever state her body was in showed that her cause of death wasn’t something that The Puppet could have caused? Or does it maybe imply the opposite, and that is why there’s no real consequences (animatronic killed her = accidental death, same as Dave/CC)? Could this give us some kind of insight into the way William killed the kids? I know the answer is probably, “Scott didn’t think this deeply about it,” but… I would like to think that deeply about it…

[@Red-jt6uu]

I’m pretty sure that, if it looked like the Puppet could have killed her, Fazbear would have retired the animatronic like how they seemingly retired Fredbear after the Bite of ‘83 due to bad publicity instead of keeping it around.

[@StepperBox]

My 2 cents is that the "fake" ending, doesnt necessarily mean it's "non-canon" (mostly because, it ends with Enard coming to your place where they presumably drag you back to Baby's to get scooped anyway.)

[@Flaaffity]

I would love for you to look into the phrases that are like "i wasnt myself" "i am not me" etc said in the franchise and see if theres a connection to the "it's me" we see everywhere. Baby says she wasnt herself when he was alone with Elizabeth. Glamrock freddy says hes not himself when being upgraded and that he isnt himself when going underground. It feels like theyre connected in a way, even if they're opposites and im interested in what clues those would be for maybe golden freddy, lack of golden freddy or oppositions to golden freddy.

[@Flaaffity]

Also the sister location story really feels like it was a blueprint to what's going on with ruin and anything to do with the mimic. Hand unit being an AI that seems to be being manipulated by Baby/ennard to gain Mike's trust feels like Helpie and Grimmick. Is that too much of a stretch?

[@AroxxKSL]

2:21 this brought back memories of KZbin in 2020-2021 But it worked seemless enough that I would've subbed, if I wasn't subscribed already. Anyway I love your videos

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

It feels like there was no writer's Bible for Fnaf, which is why it's so confusing.

[@grymmdark]

fnaf lore is bullshit and stupid and doesn't make sense. ive known this for years. it's why i love it so much.

[@at_witts_end3470]

RAHHHH ANDREW SWEEP!!!! 🐊🐊🐊

[@CedDrawsNear]

I reckon the "you won't die" voice line is not so much a literal thing that happened as much as it is a nod to the player to make the connection between mike's resurrection and that previous voice line. But I suppose that's the issue. You can interpret all of this stuff differently

[@itsasooz]

Yeah came here to say this. I think a big problem in the theory sphere is that a lot of people have trouble with the idea of artistic license and interpretation, whether because they're stuck in a literal mindset, or because they assume that everything with lore and mystery is an intricate, perfectly designed puzzle box.

[@LittleLover29]

Your pessimism is somehow a breath of fresh air

[@Fitz7671]

I mean when the only person that knows the lore is yourself, it makes it kinda hard to know if the puzzle makes any sense. I believe that Scott figured out that nobody was gonna figure it out and made the Mr. Hippo line about how there was a man feeding ducks breadcrumbs that were killing them (theory channels making theory’s that weren’t true). Scott then left a bunch of breadcrumbs waiting for the birds to thaw, or rather left all the clues there waiting for people to find them. At least that’s how I read those lines

[@OutOfNameIdeas819]

This is why the main story of FNaF for me just ended at FNaF 3. It was the last cohesive game in the series before the metaphorical shitstorm known as FNaF 4 took the scene (made worse when Sister Location just cluttered shit up more.) The other games might have cool and interesting ideas but in the end, everything past FNaF 3 just starts to clog up the story's arteries until the eventual heart attack kicks in.

[@jojostarsea]

is it possible that what this is telling us is that the ennard night ending is actually the canon one? i mean, if the player can become suspicious of baby and not trust her, why can't michael? ennard still is shown managing to escape with michael, so ennard can still rip open michael and crawl inside. (i believe scott stated once that the scooper didnt hollow out michael, it just created a hole in him and ennard had to rip all of his insides out of it manually anyway, so i dont think the scooper is necessary for ennard's plan)

[@at_witts_end3470]

"Fake Ending" It's just Scott being lazy and reusing audio. Scooper ending is canon, as are the CN cutscenes (Scott said so)

[@jojostarsea]

@at_witts_end3470 forgot about that. tbf this is in the comment section of a video all about the games being misleading, but i agree that i don't think they'd be thaat misleading. in that case id say the "you wont die" michael hears is him hearing it from elizabeth in real time, because michael has a bit of remnant in his body, which The Fourth Closet showed allows you to interact with the spirits in said remnant, and elizabeth in that moment also chose to keep michael alive with that tiny amount of her remnant, paralleling how michael brooks did the same to carlton

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@jojostarsea oh 100%. Dittophobia and Alone Together also heavily suggest this is the same reason he experiences FNaF 4.

[@jojostarsea]

@at_witts_end3470 i wouldnt be surprised. it'd finally be able to give an answer to where it takes place in the timeline, the "what have you brought home?" line, and what nightmare is. it is confusing tho bc who's remnant would be causing him to go through fnaf 4? i don't think golden freddy is in ennard, we don't have any proof that he is. only the 4 main animatronics' MCI kids, and elizabeth

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@jojostarsea Dittophobia victims is my guess. Rory and the like. People who experienced the nights themselves and died. Mike's trauma just twists the dream memories to add two new characters.

[@Emars118]

Makes me realize as a fan since fnaf2 that Mike Afton came completely out of left field from absolutely nowhere in FNaF SL custom night. Previously we thought SL’s protagonist was ‘potentially unnamed technician that may have or may not have had anything to do with the previous 4 games that happens to know the 7-8ft tall clown girl robot’.

[@at_witts_end3470]

"please type your name as seen above the keypad. Please note that this can not be changed, so please. Be careful." Name on the Keypad that says Mike:

[@Emars118]

@ right, at least we did know his name was eggs benedict

[@qwacktrap]

And thus… Fnaf apathy was born Fnapathy

[@jakubpociecha8819]

MatPathy

[@Anxiety-Badger]

Fapathy

[@heavyweaponsbird]

What do you think of The Uniwithering Truth's videos, especially his sister location video?

[@burntnorris]

If Scott is a known 'liar', maybe the secret ending to Sister Location *is* canon. My interpretation was always that Ennard following Mike home meant that he got caught and replaced in that ending, anyway. So if that's the case, not much would change, would it? Granted, it has been a while, so I might be forgetting a crucial detail.

[@amandasmith4743]

So two things: number one, I imagine that the street walking scenes are just a way of showing Mike's body rotting and aren't necessarily cannon, just a simple story telling device. Number two, you've mentioned it only s couple of times before but could you explain what you mean by the game menus possibly being cannon? Like, what parts and how?

[@thedarkdevil1661]

5:32-6:36 Now THIS might ACTUALLY back up a theory of mine that Mike Canonically SEES the SL experiment rooms during SL, which would then influence him dreaming that he's IN the rooms during Fnaf 4. (The logbook is after SL and Mike draws Nightmare in the "RECENT DREAMS" section.) Although THIS is something the player can only do during the Ennard Night. But if the Ennard Night isn't CONFIRMED to be the non-canon ending (5:43 Since you mentioned it's agreed upon since people think Mike shouldn't know Baby's lying to you), then it's possible that Mike suspected Baby, went to Ennard Night, and saw the Experiment Rooms on the monitors. Then Ennard enters his body when he's at home, instead of at the scooper, resulting in the Custom Night Cutscenes as normal.

[@at_witts_end3470]

1. That'd actually be caused by remnant. The tales story "Alone Together" tells us that if you're haunted, you'll have dreams and memories that aren't yours. That's FNaF 4. 2. If you brighten the end screen, it says "Fake Ending". And the scooper ending says "real ending" 3. Scott confirmed the SL Cutscenes were canon almost instantly.

[@Zory13]

On the Micheal cutscenes, I don't think baby is literally saying "you won't die" over and over and it's just for the audience to directly tell us he's not an undead zombie or ghost, he literally just didn't die. And just like how the cutscenes being after each custom night is irrelevant to understanding what's happening in the cutscene, baby's line being from the fake ending is irrelevant to understanding what is being shown to us.

[@uncanny.mp4]

Small theory, don't know if it has ever been brought up before: What if the story of Vanessas mom that we hear in the therapy tapes in SB, is the story of Mrs Afton? William and Mrs Afton got a divorce, Mrs Afton lost the custody battle due to one of the kids, Elizabeth perhaps, being manipulated, and she ended up unaliving herself. Let me know what y'all think!

[@Fracc6578]

I was thinking about something about the custom night minigames from SL, what if the cutscene from Michael's speech,it's happening dirrectly after the previous minigames which showed Michael walking with ennard inside of him.That would mean SL events happen just before the events of fnaf3. Because if thats not the case,why would Ennard wait for 30yrs and then decide to rebuild himself as Molten Freddy,same goes for Baby.

[@czerwonypajak6135]

It was perfectly understood when the CN came out. It was there just to show what happened to Mike after fnaf sl, it's not important where he's going. What's important is that Enatd used him to get away to the outside world. Also whoever says that DCI didn't happen is straight up blind.

[@VonPlanter]

Sometimes its better to make your own headcanon.

[@Handlelesswithme]

Theory: what if the game’s story is simple but we are making it complex by adding unnecessary head cannon Think about it, if we remove Fnaf 4 the story is a lot more coherent. Perhaps because he got Fnaf 4 wrong -maybe it’s something like the CC is Michael

[@cormakorma]

how is that so

[@GenricBULL5825]

Theroy Mat made the lore

[@at_witts_end3470]

​@GenricBULL5825he did not. Scott Cawthon did. :) And in Scott Cawthon's lore, Andrew is the one you should not have killed. 🐊

[@BreaksBee]

finally someone talks about it.

[@KrB7506]

Hey mate, I saw your FNaF too long ZIP code puzzle video from two weeks ago and in it you say that your opinion has changed about some of the things and lore you discussed in your 9 hour video after talking with other FNaF youtubers. I think that a lot of people, myself included (who still considers 97% of the things you laid out in that video as my headcanon), would really appreciate if you could make a follow up video in which you discuss the new opinions you formed about the lore discussed in the "too long" video. I consider that video as the best retelling of the story from FNaF 1 to UCN and would be quite interesting in seeing the follow up video. Thanks for considering the idea :)

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

So you’re a FNaF theorist but you hate FNaF lore’s layout?

[@at_witts_end3470]

To be fair, I do too. Mostly because Scott should have just bit the bullet and said Andrew was canon ages ago and could have actually ADVERTISED the Tales as canon. But fuck it.

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

@@at_witts_end3470 yeah, but he cant confirm too much or else it takes from the mystery. i dont think scott new the talesgames debate was going to be so heated, but good points

[@Celtic1020]

2:22 Returning viewers are NOT just those who are subscribed. It just means they have clicked on a video of yours before.

[@marciohaacke8499]

I'm just re-posting this comment again in case you may see it: 1. Do you think scott and steelwool retcon the story alot, and if so, what motivates you to still keep theorizing about FNAF's story? 2. In one of your video you said that the events of Follow Me happens before fnaf 1, and that your evidence is that the animatronics -- Specificaly Freddy and Bonnie-- resemble their Withered counterparts. But there is a theory that could go against that logic; and that theory is that Scott change character's model without story relevance. Some evidences include: Springtrap's design change into Scraptrap; the Into the Pit Freddy, Bonnie and Chica using the fnaf 1 and 2 design interchangeably; Fredbear and Springbonnie's design slight inconsistency; and Scott wanting to retcon FNAF 1 Bonnie from purple to blue. And if you want to know more, there is a video that talks about if the Unwithered animatronics ever existed. If you dissagre with this logic, I would love to know why do you think so.

[@ux67623]

The art of twisting the plot twist

[@gxldfnch]

gibi cooking with these videos 🎉

[@phoneguy4637]

what's even worse: everytime Scott tries to clear things up with a dlc-update... he makes things just even more confusing and contradicting. 🤦‍♂️

[@Bloody1ne]

When will you do another hot take video? And where should i leave my hot take for it to be in the next video ?

[@NeonNoodles99]

Idk what my thoughts are but i just know I like your avatar's little shrug pose

[@TheCatsMe00w]

I stopped caring after FNAF 4 that was supposed to be the last game with a locked box that was assumingly supposed to open and explain the whole series but never did. I remember being so angry then accepting Scott is just throwing shit at the wall. The lore is fun but ultimately does not matter and will never make complete sense cause how has it been 10 years and we are still so confused on what is going on.

[@InferiorityComplex55]

Does lolbit being in sister location imply that Mike is somehow aware of/experienced fnaf world

[@at_witts_end3470]

Nope. Lolbits actually mentioned in Dittophobia as an out of service animatronic shell. They're just a character

[@TheWizardMus]

Wouldn't that go the other way around, that whoever made FNaF World is aware of Lolbit? Since FNaF World contains other hallucinations like the Phantoms

[@BudgetAthena]

It's a little muddy. That room exists, but Mike never goes there. He never sees lolbit. Because the actual evens of the night don't have to be real, lolbit might just be a mechanic for the player that was a simple inclusion.

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@BudgetAthena think they're referring to the Lolbit Easter egg in the control module, but Dittophobia explains that

[@Takejiro24]

​@@at_witts_end3470 It does? Must have missed that. How so if you don't mind my asking?

[@Da_868]

I survive by accepting the mindset of "Schrodinger's Theory" where most FNaF theories are in a state of being both true and not true until something in the games says otherwise.

[@eomerseored]

It's really rude of Scott not having me be subscribed to gibi

[@phoneguy4637]

FNaF is the ideal picture book example of what can happen to a promising franchize if its creator gets overstrained with its sudden blitz-success and desperately tries to do his fans biddings. unfinished characters, half-baked background stories riddeling with plot holes and contradictions plus an contradicting chronology being told backwards. and then there's the highly aggressive fandom with its highly toxic communication culture. under-age fans who read their favorite youtubers lips, take every effing syllable for pure gold and go explosive against anyone who dares to question the often far-fetched theories published by youtubers. I, personally, stopped really caring after FNaF-SL and totally trashbinned the series with Security Breach. really a shame because actually I like FNaF.

[@Celtic1020]

7:09 You mean megacat studios?

[@Ariana000V]

Are you making the continuation to the too long fnaf video? After quite many video games have released?

[@johnes2337]

That stuff you listed at the beginning are more like plot twists than lies. Literally every single FNAF game has a plot twist. These things don't really bother me since Scott Cawthon is always obsessed with shocking people in their first reactions to the game.

[@nexus3756]

you know 70 percent are not subscribed just means they are new. I mean. I'm not watching every video you do then not subscribing.

[@MasterHand4444]

I view the FNAF story like I view Marvel and DC comics continuities. “Wow, that story sure did happen!” Would be the funniest thing ever if FNAF went full comic book ridiculous and introduced a connected multiverse. Get the FNAF Avengers together to kill Flumpty Bumpty or something.

[@Teoriak]

Fazbear Frights and Return to the pit exist:

[@MasterHand4444]

@ Yeah but they aren’t like an interconnected universe. We aren’t gonna have the Seabonnies showing up in SotM like “Erm he’s right behind me, isn’t he?” Not saying I want that lol. Just saying it would be HILARIOUS, especially given just how many disjointed versions of the FNAF universe there are.

[@Teoriak]

@@MasterHand4444 seabonnie as ester egg would be Crazy

[@at_witts_end3470]

​​@@MasterHand4444we might get some. Id love to see Lexie in SotM. Or Ralpho. also, if ya want a horror series that goes full MCU goofy, Alan Wake.

[@sabotagedgamerz]

Yeah I agree with this. FNAF 2 is a very very clear example where EVERYTHING points one way, but a couple details means it HAS to go the other way. I think the same is true with FNAF 4; I can’t blame those who though BVDreamer, or that it was the Bite of 87, or that CC become’s the Puppet, but those can’t be true. Imo, BVDreamer can’t be true because of FNAF 1 reverse phone call; it can’t be the Bite of 87 because “Fredbear and Friends 1983”; and CC can’t be the Puppet, cos we Puppet gets possessed in TCTTC. Imo, FNAF 3 did a much better job. We have a mysterious villain, with various interpretations about it, such as being an amalgamation of sorts. And we see cutscenes between every night, slowly show Purple Guy dismantle the Classics, And then finally, we see what happens to Purple Guy, and find out who Springtrap was.

[@Alkeeros]

The year is 2065. You somehow have a device that can perfectly read minds. You use it on Scott Cawthon. You see a bunny and a bear inside his head. The bear is shouting, "UCN is the final game in the story!" The rabbit shouts back "we need to continue the story and give fans what they want! It will bring back characters the fans thought were dead!" The bear says, "Use the books to help inform canon, but not as necessary reading material to understand the lore." The bunny says "no, Charlie and Henry and Remnant are all vital pieces of the story, and they will only appear in the books. Nightmare gas! Illusion discs! MatPat MPreg! TIME TRAVELING BALL PIT." You tell the world that Scott is literally of two minds, hence the confusion. The world calls you insane and the lore community is divided between those that think the mind reading device was some kind of IRL promotion for a new FNAF game, therefore rendering it non canon, and those that believe the story of the two animals in Scott's brain is significant to the lore and finally explains the Shadow animatronics

[@at_witts_end3470]

I don't think you've actually read the books by reading this. :/ Charlie, Henry, and remnant are all in FFPS. and remnant is explained in the stitchwraith stingers. That's a technical foul

[@Alkeeros]

​@at_witts_end3470 Yes, a guy whose name MAY be Henry (I hesdcanon him as Harry) is in 6. And... what's he doing there? He's this sort of deus ex machina guy in the games who tries to wrap the story up. What's his motivation? Where did he come from? The silver eyes. Same with Charlie/Cassidy- (basically) books only. And remnant, while mentioned in 6 is uh... it's not explained. Is it souls? Why isn't there a BUNCH of remnant from all the people who have died in the world? You may be correct that the books aren't strictly necessary, except that they fill in details surrounding all the games. Scott just... can't get his story straight, lol

[@at_witts_end3470]

@@Alkeeros Henry is Williams old friend and co founder of Freddy's. His daughter is the puppet. You don't even need the books to know that. Just play FFPS. Again, FFPS is all you need for this. There...is? The Frights explain this way better but Remnant and Agony is just how the paranormal in the universe works. Its basically ectoplasm in FNaF. The Frights and Tales books are made to fill in the blanks of the past. That's what they are. Stitchline explains the aftermath of UCN and the paranormal rules of FNaF. Tales explains the lead in to SB and SotM.

[@aymenmerrad5973]

There is more evidence that the fake ending in Sister Location is actually the real ending 😂, for example: in Michael's speech at the end he says ("They didn't recognize me at first but then they thought i was you") but nothing in the main game indicates that the funtimes thought it was William, only in the fake ending where Ennard says using Elizabeth's voice ("Isn't this why you came here, to be with me again?", "I know it was an accident?", "It's okay I'm still here") which makes me believe it's the canon route... Secondly, if Michael entered William's secret room and found the spy cameras from FNAF 4 and knew that William was doing nightmare experiments on him, to me that's an even bigger reason for him to seek out William for revenge. With all this in mind, we need to rethink Sister Location and what we think we know about it.

[@johnes2337]

Very few people that criticize FNAF lore could recreate what Scott Cawthon accomplished in his position. I believe he mostly did an excellent job at developing and executing the lore and stories of his initial saga of FNAF games (FNAF 1 - UCN). If I were Scott Cawthon, I wouldn't know how I would make decisions and come up with ideas laid out in certain cutscenes and phrases without pissing people off. I would consider the Clickteam FNAF games to have very few fuck-ups for a project made by a single developer. Many other indie developers would probably try less while prioritizing higher profits (such as some FNAF knockoffs).

[@wackantheduck6883]

Hrnnn... Damn dirty (fnaf) trolls!!!

[@StoicScarf]

i realized eventually that ive seen too much of this stuff and now i just watch fnaf content out of boredom since the story doesn’t really make sense anymore

[@Teoriak]

I don't think Scott is lying, we just jumped to conclusions we thought that c.c was a puppet because instead of taking into account that each body in fnaf 2 is a separate victim (16 in total) that all these scenes depict the same MCI we could guess that the puppet died before Freddy's so automatically BV COULD NOT BE a puppet with MikeTrap, scott actually broke it but he explained it so if scott just made a big mistake he would admit it to us fnaf 4 has been misunderstood (ekh.. ekh.. these were always supposed to be experiments)

[@kiiroiakuma839]

I have a bunch of crack theories and simple observations that I want to share (and stop thinking about, 'cause some of them are in my head for years): 0. The real secret of the mimic is the mimic is you. And Jackie is MXES. 1. Yellow bear if FNaF 1 is Phone Guy. He did what he advised in one of the early nights: go limp and play dead. Oh, and scream in his last phone call is not (yet) golden Freddy, but Phone Guy's last cry. 2. In FNaF 2 Puppet didn't give GF its mask. It appeared on it's own. 3. For me phantoms in FNaF 3 look not burnt, but as if they've been left in the rain and sun for years. 4. Henry's wife if Will's ex-wife of vice versa, that's why Dave and Charlie have similar traits (yeah, in 8-bit everything''s a pile of pixels, but we could tell apart Mario from Luigi and musculed man-1 from musculed man-2 in Contra). 5. Baby pretended to be springlock suit and yoinked Mike inside herself. For me her voice sounds somewhat closer than the ambbient sound in that particular scene, but not in any other. 6. There are two Scrap Babies in Pizzasim: one in the opening and one in the actual salvage gameplay. The model itself is appered to be the same, but posing is different. May be that's because in the first instance rust on her chest resemebled nipples. Or she was there multiple times. 7. Chica was the first to rush through the vent, but stuck, therefore she have seen everything, 'cause she had nothing else to do lol. 8. Patient 46 is a fat sweaty nerd. He loves sweets and doesn't like flowers (they remind him of a deodorant that he always forgets to use). He doesn't fit in the chair. When I was a child I could get comfortable on a grass, bricks, rubble, in an abandoned rusty van without seats (and which was left in the rain and sun for years and has similar look to the FNaF 3 phantoms). 9. Gregory is a fan of anime Evangelion, and Freddy is his own Eva-01 which runs out of power and goes berserk.

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

I wonder why yall say u don’t care and act like u hate FNaF and yet yall care enough to comment and make videos

[@at_witts_end3470]

I think he might be a lil upset CassidyReceiver, Cassidy5th, and WilliamMM got confirmed. :/

[@JackDonaldson-gy2zu]

@ lol

[@seijiren5115]

I don'tunderstand why people keep calling Subverted expectation as LIE these days

[@The_Bellinator]

I come here for the random rants