The AI Behind Forest Keepers

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[@alteregosocial]

REMEMBER: If your suspicion meter is 1 or higher, the giant will chase you AS SOON as he sees you.

[@Username_broken]

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[@JusticeMarley-j5u]

Will you please explain the Fear/Insanity mechanic next? I can't really tell how it affects gameplay outside of HUD ambience.

[@alteregosocial]

@@JusticeMarley-j5uYES! It will not be next, it will be right before ghost girl which is sometime in the near future

[@RoninSaw]

​@@alteregosocialWhat makes a giant stop and stare at you at certain ranges and what makes his vison pass right by you (e.g. I saw in the video one point he stopped lokking forwards and looked directly at you and other times he glanced pass?) also does crouch walking count as movement?

[@-.CosmicCode.-]

@@alteregosocialin that same video could you also explain adrenaline if you haven’t

[@plattbagarn]

Phase 1: Roaming right on top of you. Phase 2: See you through walls. Phase 3: Camping the ship.

[@yuu3910]

Phase 1 confirmed. That shi roaming right on top of fire exit on Rend, where only 1 way to go up.

[@alteregosocial]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Yiffbait]

If you kill a giant, be sure to move out of it's way when it dies, think of its corpse as a giant extension ladder, we found it out hilariously thr hard way.

[@MothGirlHina]

That's actually so funny I'm gonna have to do that sometime

[@Dummydude]

The code confirms that this is true. If you're underneath the giant when it dies, you'll die too. When scanning the body, the cause of death will be "Gravity".

[@MothGirlHina]

@@Dummydude Yeah it happened to me yesterday by accident as I was testing how easy it is to kill a Giant at the ship door

[@BeanMau]

Player 1: WE KILLED THE FOREST KEEPER! Player 2: (Dead) Player 3: (Dead) Player 4: … Player 4: But at what cost…

[@sammak1862]

gamer ori real?

[@spectrumAYE]

I really hate how they instantly lock on to you after they see you once.

[@3ggY]

Now you become bait for your teammates.

[@jacksmix7123]

You are being promoted to a Cracker snack

[@TheEternal1ty]

when you said this that it locks onto player and raising its awareness or smth, i realized that was the case. apparently, this makes sense for a fucking infant.

[@getthedunkon9347]

@@TheEternal1ty It see toy. Toy disappear. Keeper sad. Keeper see toy again. Get It Before disappear. Grab Toy. Keeper Happy. Eat Toy.

[@ayeemee9682]

*You know it’s serious when bro pulls out the desmos graphing calculator 😭😭*

[@adicsbtw]

True

[@FeDDoSoff]

I loved that illustration. C/C++ devs are superior

[@adicsbtw]

@@FeDDoSoff Can confirm, the graph used was by our resident C/x86 assembly dev

[@tomgoa6309]

Phase 1:Camp the ship Phase 2:Camp the ship Phase 3:Camp the ship

[@TheCrazyOne2]

Once you have all the “The AI behind _____”, you should compile them into one huge compilation, I like to put this on in the background so having a huge compilation would be appreciated

[@cycoMSM]

Create a playlist Why the fuck did this get likes

[@TheCrazyOne2]

@@cycoMSM why didn’t I think of this 😅

[@alteregosocial]

yes! i have all my AI videos on a playlist!

[@cycoMSM]

@@TheCrazyOne2 lmao

[@TheCrazyOne2]

@@cycoMSM i may be stupid

[@broduffusman4102]

That intro of the giant climbing out of the ground was genius

[@alteregosocial]

shoutout to @adi

[@Ryan41707]

...how, it's just their spawn animation

[@Content_Deleted]

@@Ryan41707Perhaps the better word woulda been "clever", but anyway

[@broduffusman4102]

@ryanorth2252 The spawn animation is being used as an intro, climbing out of the ground to introduce the giant

[@miguelaguilar751]

adi has been on point holy shit 😂​@@alteregosocial

[@Noobworries]

boy i see another one of those guys he gonna turn into a forest sleeper

[@alteregosocial]

lmao 🤣🤣🤣

[@SimplyCheesy]

w pfp

[@lordmarshmal_0643]

The fact that a giant's suspicion only raises for the player it's focused on reminds me of its described "child-like behavior"

[@hat6885]

I am the Lorax, you cut down the trees, I break your knees

[@santa_with_a_gun]

i am the giant, i speak for the trees, if you cut them down, i'll eat your knees

[@gungy_vt]

Giants dying by earthworm is nice, but death by random lightning is my favorite.

[@Kiki-w4p3u]

it actually saved me. I was running away from one and It fucking died and I looked back and it was dead and now I finally understand what the fuck killed it

[@Bone_Incidents]

When making ai do you A) Code a very complex system involving behavior and weather statistics B) They follow balls I put around on the map

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

Thats what most game AI designers will tell you. If you make an AI too smart, it becomes unpredictable and not fun... so they often make them dumb on purpose to keep it feeling like a game

[@samuelbarros1563]

@@alfonshedstrom9859 it is not dumb just because the codes are simple

[@Bone_Incidents]

@@samuelbarros1563 No no no, what they mean is if you make an AI that will try to do the best things possible in a scenario, it will feel like you’re playing chess against a bot. Videogames are meant to be pseudo realistic, not fully. Although I would understand if the AI went with difficulty scaling where on the hardest difficulty the bots are just insane.

[@Bone_Incidents]

@@alfonshedstrom9859 I understand. Videogames are meant to be fun and having to deal with AI that you can’t accurately predict isn’t fun.

[@sakura368]

the orbs are easier, and the orbs mean they search EVERYWHERE once, then reset and search everywhere again

[@-AGGRESIVEPEANUT-]

Cant wait for the old bird video 👹👹👹

[@spadok0]

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[@gambsy69]

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[@IEatDirt-h3y]

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[@BudgetGamingEnthusiast1]

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[@RiccardoBernardi-h7v]

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[@TBNRanimations0511]

I once had an INTENSE forest keeper encounter. I was on march and I was heading back to the ship, but as I’m walking, I hear the giant. I got scared but remembered that standing behind anything that can fully cover ur body will prevent u from being spotted. so as I watched the giant roam the forest, I was heading from tree to tree. And eventually I made it to the ship without being spotted. when I told my teammate about it, he said he was watching me the entire time, he also told me good job. Big brain move I made to avoid the giant. The encounter was way more intense than what I just said

[@ARStudios2000]

You Metal Geared him

[@sneakydaddyman9882]

Hazard level b is crazy😭😭

[@getthedunkon9347]

I mean to be fair, it dies to half the outside mobs.

[@CibuYT]

you forgot to add that old birds can easily kill giants ! this is very useful on artifice

[@Fract4l]

In-game representation: Phase 1: "uuuhhhh I think I hear the giant" Phase 2: "I'm dead I'm dead oh crap I'm so done" / "AAAAAAAAAAA" Phase 3: " *Starts the ship* "

[@avena7506]

These comprehensive AI breakdown offer a side of knowledge that some of the best guide videos on the Lethal Company side of youtube just don't, combining these with Bread's videos is knowledge that has saved me multiple times and also helped me ease my friends nerves in difficult situations. You deserve all the traction you're getting from this please keep growing!

[@A_mouse_that_is_pink]

i was thinking "i wonder how they work" and as soon as i think of it, you uploaded this. thanks :D

[@skaladdy1164]

You forgot to mention you can kill giants pretty easily with thunder if you have a conductive item. A key is great because you can wait until the key is about to go off. Get the aggro of the forest keeper and kill him. This is really helpful for stopping the giant from camping your ship.

[@obamahostile4073]

NGL these enemies AI breakdowns are so interesting, thank you chief

[@nickkrueger585]

2:27 wondering if he did his be real in that moment

[@SpinIfTeam]

I thought it was bereal time

[@cowuwu1]

Don’t forget the old birds can also kill a giant. Also theres 2 different ambient sounds for when the giant spots you and one for when it chases you so you can tell which one is which

[@Notllamalord]

I love watching these because I make games in Unity and I can imagine exactly how the dev programmed these

[@WretchedParty76]

Hazard level: infinity -1

[@Its_Lunas_dream]

2:28 The BeReal sound made me so paranoid. I was sure, it was my BeReal notification😂

[@SAmaryllis]

The graph was well-done, kudos to the mathematician for putting it together :)

[@AZR43L_YT]

great stuff man. These videos are at a professional level 👍

[@momosity.]

Absolutely love the suspicion meter explanation that was beautiful

[@Earf1000]

I never thought I’d see Desmos in a lethal company entity AI video!

[@dimthegreat5398]

Hold on bro got animation now?! Amen. Keep it up lad! Can't wait to see the Old Bird analysis

[@kiwiman096]

Hazard level: ∞ Once spotting a player, the Forest Keeper DEMOLISHES HIM NO MATTER WHAT

[@CibuYT]

such a cool video ! very interesting, very informative :) now I wonder if an optimised strat would be to crouch far away from a giant making sure he can still see you and waiting until he runs at you, that way everyone else has a decreased suspicion meter

[@Jackspladt]

“Hazard level: B” my ass this things a menace

[@galacta7300]

EXCELLENT work dude. Curious to see a Nutcracker video!

[@Avabees]

Was waiting for this one in particular!

[@porygon1889]

this is so cool i hope you keep making more videos on the ais

[@Pureman-ht5yk]

Adi did truly help you a lot man

[@SomeRando5370]

Congrats on 30k!

[@xtrem5428]

The easter egg burn is a nice touch.

[@just.Harley]

this is a wonderful video, big fan of adding extra information at the end i love the niche stuff

[@hypnivaria]

it's cool to see the production value increase on each new upload :]

[@prstechnic1774]

We love the desmos graphing calculator 🔥

[@g1ngrbread]

I absolutely LOVE these videos, and they're helpful too! keep it up man

[@firekex]

Giants can also be killed by baboon hawks, old bird, and lightning if you have a spare key to put in the entrence of the ship on stormy

[@DragonuFear]

You forgot to mention lightning can also cause burning. And technically a jetpack explosion but thats not ideal. You can bait a giant over a sparking item and sometimes random lightning can result in randomly dead giants.

[@lunarlionlilith]

I love the way you edit these btw

[@inordirectional]

nicely done graph by echoprograms!

[@xHaii]

Huge thanks for making all these guides, keep it up!

[@Nesw10]

Man I can’t believe how helpful and in depth these are, Thanks 🙏🏽

[@nuckchorris1396]

I love how us gamers/nerds hate school until we find practical applications for math and science inside of games 💀💀💀😂😂

[@Zbpskals]

I been waiting for this forever oml

[@Quartz5005]

Damn, Adi doing some good work for the info.

[@_demonhunter]

NO WAY i have these dudes in my garden

[@Noobworries]

do you have a radar booster in your garden

[@dominic85]

ur bereal notif going off mid video jumpscared me

[@Berzikov]

I absolutely love these Lethal Conpany videos, keep it up!

[@Gubacs_Mester]

i got jumpscared by the bereal notification

[@rconmaster]

congrats on 30k :D i remember when you still had less than a thousand!

[@hambeargurfan]

my love i’ve been waiting for your next post. i’m so glad you finally posted again darling

[@Snipersfmgmodtf2hl]

Thank you for filling us with *_quality_* content alteregosocial

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

And they say math won’t be useful after school.

[@brentandes4317]

2:27 the bereal notification made check my phone 😂

[@derfnaf_master8819]

congrats on the 30k, you really deserve it

[@Night_Hawk_475]

Amazing! And so details on this one! I have no extra questions this time, ahhaah. Thank you so much for your effort on this research and on sharing it all with us in such an informative way

[@daydreamer9986]

I had two blind dogs after me and happened to run into a giant instanly grabbing me. However, at that exact moment it grabbed me the two dogs simultaneously did that open mouth dive attack hitting the giant instead, killing it instantly while dropping me in the process while I quietly making my way back into the ship.

[@vicid1415]

2:25 be real notification lol

[@anodomaniD]

I heard that too and it got me

[@the_thicc_kobudai1606]

@@anodomaniD same

[@samuraidev9312]

Scared me so bad

[@vicid1415]

@@anodomaniD i checked my phone lol

[@ElvizNation]

Can't wait for that creepy little ghost girl video

[@DemonerLycan]

One question I have: does he have any resistance to a beacon flash? Like, maybe the stun duration doesn't refresh during his stun animation, or maybe it even prevents him being stunned after the animation for a bit? Because if he doesn't, it means you can permanently remove this big ugly from the equation for the low price of 60 - and if you are daring enough and know what you're doing, you can even take the beacon with you to the ship afterwards. There's also a price of your navigator being delegated to spam ctrl+v every few seconds, but the joy of Giants being downgraded to an epileptic in a rave party is too much to pass on. I'm even gonna leave the bastard a boombox to vibe.

[@MakutaBrainhax]

AN ADDITION! :if you stand behind or too close to the sides of the giant when it falls on death, his body will crush you.

[@Clemente-0]

this week i was playing with my friends and suddenly 3 giants spawned at the same time, never saw this happening (it was adamance at 3:00PM) also great guide as always

[@Juicy-America]

These are one of the only enemies that feels just a little OP

[@titan1070]

man this youtube channel is awesome, cant wait till it gets to 100k subs

[@dennispulles]

My man got that bereal notification at 2:28 haha

[@Archbishopofcheeseburger]

Yay! My second favorite creature! The forest keeper, or as I like to call: "Braken's big bad uncle."

[@anton9270]

your the best thc for these vids man

[@robinemblem9488]

Looking forward to watching your streams, great video as always

[@wasvreta]

mostly out of topic, i'm curious as to what you're gonna do if/when you run out of NPCs to dissect, at least outside of clip dump-esque videos i really enjoy these analysis videos and i'm interested to see what other stuff you can fit this video style onto

[@AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA462]

It only takes two shotgun blasts to kill a giant

[@maxjefferison1654]

Wasn't expecting to hear a BeReal notification lol

[@TheSen12342]

FINALY NEW UPLOAD

[@jettxym]

I love ur vids! Helps me understand them alot better.

[@jahahahaha]

Pretty sure the Radar Booster stuns for less time. Me and my buddies used it to stun a giant while we kill it with shovels/knives but the flash stun duration seems to be 2-3 seconds.

[@forbidenpupetry]

YOU should make a mod that combines all the stuff you have so far to use to test AI

[@spyonmebaby]

2:27 lol the bereal notification

[@mrvoidschannel359]

I love these videos. I want to be a game developer myself and this is entertaining and informative

[@elibvn6414]

could've probably mentioned that it's easier to tell who the giant is targeting in a crowd based on who has the menacing sound effect i feel that's a detail that's easy to miss

[@beb190]

you can also kill forest giants by dropping a metal item and have the giant stand on it while lightning strikes, my friend accidently did this lol

[@lonelyPorterCH]

Thats why they always roam around the ship when they saw one of us, interesting, so in this case, someone else has to go since their suspecion meter is lower

[@Bardigrade]

Spiders changed in the new update, need a new video on them

[@poisonlight749]

I saw a giant get killed by a gang of baboonhawks

[@urbestbud8850]

congrats on 30k

[@Real_RUBB3R]

Old Birds can also not only kill Forest Giants, but they actively target them too!

[@Smiirky]

2:28 bro's bereal went off

[@theshyestguy4221]

I wish you would’ve mentioned the music stinger that plays when the Forest Keeper looks at you. It’s a really useful warning that tells you’re being looked at, so hide! I’m also just a really big nerd about music/music stingers and shit like that

[@nikagravy]

shaders be looking crazy at the biginning

[@LemonZestLord-cg4wp]

The bereal notification lol

[@no0odiiiii]

i completely forgot forest keepers existed..

[@Cje_-yj8ov]

It’s funny to me how they’re so forgettable now on Old Bird maps, but still feel so formidable on the OG maps

[@VelleckesHair]

I can't believe that their camping is an intended mechanic