Edenic Myth Interpretations

[@Arkloyd]

"Reading the actual words on the page" is a novel way to approach the bible.

[@rustyross3008]

Who has time for that. It is much easier to just say what they think is in the bible. Especially if it benefits that person.

[@Arkloyd]

@@rustyross3008 People that go for defending a religion tend to practice the sport of mental gymnastics. Too bad for them that most of them are hopeless klutzes in that department.

[@sunzi42]

Jimmie sounds like a textbook example of Aron Ras qoute: "Cristians read between the lines and ignore the lines!"

[@Letts_prey]

“Yeah, this isn’t the theist experience man.” Johnny cracks me up 🤣

[@banonKING]

I'm honestly shocked no theist hasn't attempted a rival show for that.

[@classicsciencefictionhorro1665]

I'm glad you demanded a retraction. Caller was dead wrong in multiple ways but couldn't admit it, the sign of a small person, character-wise. You three should be dubbed the Unholy Trinity. You kicked butt.

[@MrDmadness]

Dead wrong and couldn't admit it is literally EVERY religious person

[@Miraak1868]

abd Nailed that "thing" to a cross.

[@mikealexander2005]

I can't remember the last time I saw such a complete beat down. Completely dismantled

[@louiscyfer6944]

he should call the police. he got raped in public. his ass got torn open.

[@louiscyfer6944]

@rboland2173 ???

[@dragonlordxakel]

"God told the first lie ever" Forrest Valkai

[@an.d.m.a]

One of many lies in the bible.

[@dragonlordxakel]

@@an.d.m.a I find it hilariously ironic that god lied and the serpent/devil told the truth. A failure of truly epic proportions.

[@an.d.m.a]

@@dragonlordxakel yeah, The Serpent was the good guy in the Bible lol

[@ziploc2000]

@@dragonlordxakel and they left it in! This could have been caught in editing, it's such a tell.

[@lnsflare1]

He also committed the first evil, since the first thing Adam and Eve did after they both ate of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was cover their own nudity, which had been imposed upon them from birth by Yahweh.

[@johnsperry9494]

Just for fun, whenever I stay in a hotel room, I find the Gideon Bible, I go to Genesis 1, and I cross out “In the beginning” and write “Once upon a time.”

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@KentuckyBrad Is defacing litter considered vandalism?

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

Nar mate, you can buy little stickers that have "warning strong violence & sex" or "For Adults Only, may cause nightmares"

[@EllasPOSEiDON]

Wise movent.

[@Gaston-Melchiori]

I love the "i don't know where you got that". And immediately Forrest stops looking for pubic stuff and asks for the bible XD.

[@SNDN_LN]

The forrest is looking up pubic angles moment was hilarious.

[@pangln]

Finally a channel that can put my thoughts into words. Also fun to see Forrest debate in real time, just as well worded as in his videos

[@aaronstanley474]

Yeah putting a single word that comes from a Hebrew translation that is closer to dying not die under the highest scrutiny vs the overall message of the entire book is the best way to pick apart something without actually ever trying to read or understand the text, if you put your whole life under that much scrutiny you would get out of bed but it’s comical you apply that level of scrutiny on something that provides you with the knowledge of eternal life, atheism clams to be knowledge a truth lol well truly you have about a 50/50 chance a god created the universe and about a 1/5000 chance if we took all the religions in the world, that Christianity is correct based off just numbers. Which are better odds than most slots, do you put a lottery ticket under this much scrutiny ? You actually have to pay for that, this is free all you have to do is accept it.

[@pangln]

@aaronstanley474 it's so disgusting that people like you assume all athiests are just skeptical douchebags. I was raised Christians, I was a hard believer, and I had serious hardships. And EVERY TIME I reached out to God, I was met with complete silence. My life only got better when I abandoned god and took things into my own hands. Your fairy tale is of no interest to me.

[@goldengrimlock]

@@aaronstanley474 Wow, that's all completely false, way to go. Do you know Forrest? His life? He's read the Bible thoroughly, he often shows his copy with many notes and tags in it. He has read it more than you ever have, and it is why he is atheist, and that story is shared by many of us. The message of the book is to control people through fear mongering, and treat others as property. The odds of a god being the creator of the universe is 50/50 you say? and 1/5000 chance of Christianity being true? Again, figures without evidence. It's more like 1/500,000,000,000. If even that. Where did you get that from, your ass? If you put even the tiniest amount of scrutiny when reading the bible, you would see the MOUNTAINS of issues within.

[@smochygrice465]

Good Sunday Morning 🌞 Axp crew, fans and theists ❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🇦🇺👍🤠

[@drsatan3231]

Give us back the Farlap, you thieving b@stard!

[@joed9305]

"I've read the original Aramaic and Greek book of Genesis." Wow. Just wow. I just can't...

[@joshsheridan9511]

I think jimmie was getting his old and his new testaments mixed up.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​@@joshsheridan9511 there is an existing "original" Greek version of the Old Testament called the Septuagint, translated in the 3rd century BCE.

[@louiscyfer6944]

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 a translated original. how quaint.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

@@louiscyfer6944 do you understand the purpose of quotation marks?

[@louiscyfer6944]

@@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 i am commenting on the callers idiocy. he might as well make that argument.

[@Tinman69]

Destroyed him at every turn. But Christians have real problems with honesty and admitting when they're wrong. And they'll never admit they're wrong about a thing to an atheist. Which is no problem. I don't care if he does, I'm just happy it was plain and obvious to us, the viewers. He basically by defiance, roasted himself.

[@zemorph42]

Some Christians will; source; I used to be one.

[@kellydalstok8900]

@@zemorph42but that was at the turning point, right? Because you can’t keep pretending once you see where you are wrong.

[@itsaboutthattime4425]

@@zemorph42doubt you would have acknowledged when you were wrong as a xtian tho. I’m yet to see that happen.

[@zemorph42]

@@itsaboutthattime4425 I had a good first mentor who also corrected himself when he learned that he was wrong. I changed my mind several times during the years I was a Christian. I constantly second guessed myself and was compelled to double check my sources whenever I was challenged for most of my life. I couldn't have continued to believe, or pretend to believe, something I knew was wrong. I was also incredibly naive and gullible. I only doubted myself, most of the time.

[@itsaboutthattime4425]

@@zemorph42 fair enough.

[@cthulhu5717]

“I know that how it’s written in the Bible makes my god look like a liar and a monster! So it has to be wrong” lol

[@carlosalarcon9389]

The Bible is not the word of God, the Bible has the word of God. This is the correct version: God never warned Adam and Eve that they were going to die on that same day, God warned them that on the day that they eat from that tree, that they no longer could be immortals (because they were actually immortals).

[@whatsreallyinvaccineshealt756]

Are you saying God is not real

[@Finckelstein]

@@whatsreallyinvaccineshealt756 Of course god's not real. It's Santa for adults.

[@kellydalstok8900]

@@carlosalarcon9389 - Which god? - What is your evidence it exists? (bible is the CLAIM, not the evidence) - Do you know who wrote the bible? - Why do you think people that lived millennia ago knew more than people do today? - If you think god wrote or inspired the bible, how come he/she/it knew no more about anything than people did at that time?

[@tonyclif1]

​@@carlosalarcon9389please show us where god said anything about Adam and Eve no longer being immortal? Where was it said they were immortal in the first place? I didn't ask where you interpreted these things, but where the bible actually says this?

[@AndyMorrisArt]

Sounds like the serpent is the only good guy in this story, unless the truth is something to be feared.

[@kellydalstok8900]

The gods didn’t like humans being equal to them. Much like some white people not wanting people of colour to have equal rights, of some men not wanting women to have equal rights - big overlap there probably.

[@njhoepner]

Kind of a Prometheus role, it seems. What God/the gods (the term is plural in Genesis, as the "will be like us") don't want is people to have their own ethics - they are supposed to simply accept whatever God/the gods say at that particular moment - and if it changes the next day, accept that - and if it changes again, accept that - without question. The "sin" was in deciding to have their own knowledge, and thus their own ethics, and thereby be able to make their own decisions. So God/the gods lie to them in order to scare them into compliance....and not for the last time.

[@amtlpaul]

First? The thing about mythology is that it is fictional. We can learn truths about the human condition from fiction (and also false things, and debatable things), but the events related did not truly happen.

[@joshsheridan9511]

Happy firsties.

[@smochygrice465]

Congratz on first cobber 😘

[@damonkenny7818]

And what about your atheist mythology of “things are the way they are” and “prove Logic is reliable”?

[@smochygrice465]

@@damonkenny7818 Morning cobber ✌️🤠

[@amtlpaul]

Here comes Seditious Edith with her Daft banter!

[@sortiapricefield2303]

"You're pulling him from the pubic angles." i love you guys.

[@Pro-j4q]

This is in fact one of the most interesting topics about the Bible, the beginning: The "god father" Yahweh was invented around 5000 years ago, mentioned first time written about 3500 years ago in the early Bible scripts. We humans (homo sapiens) exist since 300,000 years. From 300,000 - 6000 years ago no human ever heard of a "one and only god Yahweh" or mentioned him in any of the million human religious testimonies, neither they mentioned "Adam and Eve". Reason for that: this "one and only god Yahweh" is an invention of 5000-3500 years ago. No father, no son, no trinity.

[@FernLovebond]

Excellent example of how useful it is to do basic textual criticism. The caller is dancing around words playing semantic nonsense games, trying to be mystical.

[@carlosalarcon9389]

The Bible is not the word of God, the Bible has the word of God. This is the correct version: God never warned Adam and Eve that they were going to die on that same day, God warned them that on the day that they eat from that tree, that they no longer could be immortals (because they were actually immortals).

[@BadwolfRuin]

@@carlosalarcon9389 Cool story bro.

[@meloveAi]

@@carlosalarcon9389 And the Lord of the Rings has the word of Gandalf.

[@ottonormalverbrauch3794]

​@@carlosalarcon9389isn't it a bliss that one can cook up his/her own interpretation of anything that's written in the bible and feel all fuzzy inside because of that? Not my cup of tea though..

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@whatsreallyinvaccineshealt756 what's a looser?

[@kayamann321]

Excellent! I loved the depth and detail the hosts went into!!

[@Onio_Saiyan]

I have been Forrest trapped. But I love this channel!

[@amtlpaul]

It takes a certain arrogance to say to someone who reads a text verbatim, "you're reading it wrong!" At best, you could say it could be interpreted differently.

[@joshsheridan9511]

I'd say it borders on narcissism.

[@forcemarine]

Religion is one helluva drug and there is no shortage of addicts out there, sadly.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

In all fairness, using the KJV isn't exactly steelmaning someone's argument.

[@logicalmuslim1590]

Unfortunately the Bible in English is a translation of a translation of a translation of texts that are lost.

[@fredbohm4728]

@@logicalmuslim1590 Unfortunately, the quran is just another plagiarized book of fairy tales.

[@madddog7]

luv your tirade, jmike .. spot-on

[@2l84me8]

So the caller pushes the goalpost when backed into a corner and insists Forrest is wrong because apparently the caller knew what the bible actually meant all along? The dishonesty is strong in this one.

[@charleswoodruff9013]

Man, DO NOT piss Forrest off...or he'll come for you.

[@ziploc2000]

I don't think Jimmie has read his bible, making him the perfect Christ-stain.

[@joshsheridan9511]

The scary thing is, he'll be smiling when he does.

[@joshsheridan9511]

And run away Bradley lives up to his name and deletes another thread. He's one of the best adverts for atheism in the threads right now.

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@KentuckyBrad projection

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@KentuckyBrad by the way run away just because you delete your posts it doesn't mean that you never posted them or that people would instantly forget All you're doing is pulling a metaphorical blanket over your head.

[@ajclements4627]

@@KentuckyBrad The only liar is you, remember those four separate people who you claimed were “swallowed by whales just like Jonah” and survived? You lied all four times, and one didn’t even exist to start with.

[@nealjroberts4050]

​@@KentuckyBrad Would that allegation be in the same thread you deleted? Perhaps the one where you claimed genocide was just warfare? From experience Josh has been rather against genocide in any form whereas you haven't.

[@nealjroberts4050]

@@KentuckyBrad Not as usual. You have claimed that genocide in Numbers 31 was justified. You even claimed it was equivalent to a trial verdict. Yet weren't able to explicitly provide what crimes the Midianite children committed.

[@stankdelicious6479]

I love hearing christians call other christians “not true christians”

[@thedriedge24]

Same 😂 I feel like you could lump it in with other thought terminating cliches. Not a true Christian, why? Because they believe something wrong? Or because if they were a 'true' Christian they'd act like Christ? On the first, no one could ever confirm for certain that their version of christianity is the right one, and on the second, if being a Christian is supposed to dramatically and miraculously change them to be like Christ, yet they all claim that they're still sinners and aren't perfect and are still terrible people, then at what point do we see them dramatically change?

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

I always find that fascinating. There are so many sects and denominations of Christianity, and many Christians believe that they just happen to hold the right interpretation. It's a pretty bold position to have.

[@alanrosenthal6323]

Caller is not just a believer. He is a believer who knows better than all the other believers.

[@tosuchino6465]

Exactly! The irony is that the caller is completely oblivious to the fact that he threw the entire christian population into the "no true scotsman" problem by claiming that his is the "true" interpretation.

[@alanrosenthal6323]

@@tosuchino6465 excellent point. I love that faith allows you to say that you believe anything and everything. How convenient.

[@nephjd88]

It seems every believer knows better than other believers, since I get a different "true" interpretation of the bible from almost every one of the ones I've ever interacted with, and the ones I've seen on these shows.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

It's so frustrating that he's mixing " interpretation" with "translation"😂

[@aaronstanley474]

@DarkSideOfTheGuitar Even more frustrating when the word died can be implied as dying in the hebrew text from which this is translated from, which would mean Forrest is ignorant and the English translation of the Bible has a minor mistranslation that doesn’t in anyway impact the whole message, Adam indeed dies after 930years so God didn’t lie.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

@@aaronstanley474 😂 like it really matters. 930 years is pretty generous.

[@aaronstanley474]

@DarkSideOfTheGuitar What’s hilarious, is that your logical mind limits you from using common sense, if there is a GOD, common sense would assume his ability to create human beings are superior to our ability to procreate, so I have no doubts that they lived for almost a thousand years, in fact science doesn’t know why we stop producing cells which causes aging which naturally causes death, it’s also amazing that 2500 years ago when genesis is written, in a time when almost nobody lived for a 120 years, we magically guessed that’s about the age when our body stops producing new cells, because guess what in genesis God sets the limit to 120 years but I guess that’s just blind luck on the authors part right ? lol Amazing

[@aaronstanley474]

@DarkSideOfTheGuitar Also 930yrs is generous, he could have just ended us then, but in relation to immortality it’s quite a considerable punishment, it’s a death sentence, it’s like stage 4 pancreatic cancer with absolutely no outlook or hope. That’s why GOD wrapped himself in flesh and bore the punishment for the sin we deserve and that’s what makes it so meaningful, the Old Testament if anything should show a pattern of our inability to heed GOD commands, we needed to see that so that we could understand we lack the ability to meet his standard, the only way for GOD to remain a holy god but at the same time make a people unworthy, worthy was to pay for their transgressions and the transgressions to come, that would take a sacrifice that is immortal. He came down as God as the son and became a man walked for 33 years as an example to model our lives, he physically showed us the way to live, and physically showed us that we are to put our sins to death and forsake them for the glory of the father. But yet you don’t believe, because you need physical proof ? It amazes me that we will reject a complete religious historical text that can explain everything we see today, from the Grand Canyon, our life span, our prosperity in western civilization, the creation of the universe, dinosaurs. Instead you presume them to be false and trade them for the presumptions of man that can’t make it beyond theory, because of the presumptions it makes its virtually faith just not in a god. The Old Testament proofs that this idea as old as time itself, we turn from GOD and adopt things made by the hands of man, then it was Baal now it’s big bang, people have always been this way your not doing anything new just a label for the same failed concept. If you haven’t read the Old Testament spoiler alert the things of which you create will never dethrone GOD, in fact the more we pull away the more apparent he will be because the absence of the morality he created and we have adopted in our nation shows and will continue to worsen. His way will look even more glorious as our nation goes its own, the wisdom will become more apparent because we will live with the results of our defiance.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

@@aaronstanley474 bro, I stopped reading after the first 120 characters. You're preaching to the choir of 20 years Evangelical Christian who finally stopped believing in magic due to so many different reasons. Reason, let's start there... There's no reason to believe in something that has no evidence to support it, I don't care how "powerful" you think your subjective, personal experience has been. It's not proof. People can get those experiences through many different means and it doesn't require make believe.

[@ziploc2000]

"I lean towards Joseph Campbell's interpretation?" Oh, well I lean towards reading the words on the page, so much clearer than taking some random interpretation of a guy I never heard of as being of more value than the actual words.

[@JeffBedrick]

Joseph Campbell was not a Nazi apologist by any stretch of imagination. Like most of the hosts on this channel, he was rather adamantly opposed to all Western religions including Judaism, which some people mistakenly interpreted as anti-Semitism. That's it.

[@DemocracyOfficer2485]

Yeah I just did some looking into it and all I could find was a review of one of his books in 1989 where the author just called him a far right anti semite without really providing examples. I would like to know why the host labeled him a Nazi apologist

[@areid5907]

Yes why were they clearly biases and attempted to laugh him off and therefore also this caller with their know it all attitude lately.

[@skepticofdoom7486]

Yeah but Jewish folks don't tend to be harmful like the fundies. They aren't the enemy to fight. Anti Semitic crap is pointless. I have no problem with Jewish folks. Most are actually secular. They are just culturally Jewish not religious Jewish. Some of the nicest prople. They are no threat. It's the Christians that are doing most of the stupid. And hate. Gotta watch any fundy carefully but my vote is the Jewish ones are no threat to rational thought or freedom. Plus the whole They get enough terrible from those idiot nazi morons. Not cool to add to it.

[@TomCantDance]

Maggie Mae Fish made a good video about this. He downplayed the Nazi book burnings and didn't see WW2 as important for the world, even after Pearl Harbour. He did some solid whatabout-ism about America's atrocities when talking about how bad Hitler was as well, I think

[@AndyCampbellMusic]

He is full of crap.... If you think something capable of creating a universe uses a book written by humans. You are proving you don't really believe in the imaginary creator thing at all. 🤷‍♂️

[@mlwsf]

Forrest rocking the Doctor Strangelove hair. Slick

[@ericwilliams1659]

Pubic angles? This started differently than i expected

[@Nymaz]

No no no, it's pubic *angels*, a species of public lice with tiny halos and wings. In the Bible, they're tasked with delivering God's message directly to your genitalia. Well, maybe not in a literal reading of the Bible, but if you correctly interpret the metaphors, they're definitely in there.

[@smochygrice465]

A who's what's it? 😆 And a sunny Saturday ☀ morning Axp crew, fans and theists ❤ Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠👍

[@danielfigueroa8686]

Here Is another thing I just realized how is it god was able to talk directly to some of these people in the Bible but then all of a sudden stops

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@KentuckyBrad lol and that somehow explains why your god thingy stopped direct communication? Seriously bud think before you post.

[@angryboxingfan]

@@KentuckyBradprove it

[@ajclements4627]

@@KentuckyBrad 😂 God spoke directly to people back in the day, why’s he so shy now?

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​@@KentuckyBrad and that proved it... ... my hypothesis: Paint chips in your diet.

[@ministryofarguments3525]

@@KentuckyBrad No. That just shows you're devoted to a book that in essence is talking about the pretence of a God. It is not proof and nor do you have any proof for a God, your belief in which is foolish.

[@davidfitnesstech]

The first mistake is thinking I care what it says in Scripture.

[@t800fantasm2]

@@KentuckyBrad "You should care it is the word of God" Shut up toddler... We have proven it's a load of fiction and you know it, but you will keel lying and deleting...

[@t800fantasm2]

@@KentuckyBrad " what a liar you are " go ahead ass-wipe, prove I lied...

[@fredbohm4728]

@@KentuckyBrad Prove it.

[@yourguard4]

@@KentuckyBrad I would expect, that God has not the need to "write things down". Only humans do so. And there is no reason to believe them. And if God would do it, you could always read it. Doesn't matter, if you can read, what language you understand, or where you are. But no scripture is like that. There no magic words. If God would have said something to me, I probably would have heard it. And just because it is God, doesn't mean that I should care what he says.

[@ajclements4627]

@@KentuckyBrad Aww, how cute, Bradley’s trying and failing to intellectually flex on someone again.

[@MAR1N4M1]

I was following this recipe for a roast beef sandwich and used chicken instead. It's just how I interpreted the listed ingredients.

[@dragonlordxakel]

If you used something like deli sliced chicken, I imagine it would be a decent, though inaccurate, attempt at a roast beef sandwich. However, had you not taken liberties with the ingredients, you'd have a better roast beef sandwich experience. Just saying.

[@nicksykes4575]

But did you use sirloin or rump chicken?

[@Nocturnalux]

It’s more like you were following this recipe ror a beef roast sandwich and got a bomb.

[@ajclements4627]

@blankvision2771 Spam is against YT TOS.

[@RickyisSwan]

I'm sure the bible was not meant to be a children's puzzle book. Would the caller do the same thing with a car service manual? "Oh it doesn't really mean that you have to put oil in your car, it probably means something else, so I will skip putting oil in my car."

[@amtlpaul]

I wonder why trolls post comments that they later delete. Dandruff offered the lame excuse that he doesnt want his inbox clogged, but he does tend to lie.

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@sideboob6851 I've been thinking the same, to the point I told him he reminds me of run away Ronnie

[@ziploc2000]

Because they know they're in the wrong.

[@ajclements4627]

@blankvision2771 Really? All you’ve got is spam now?

[@ajclements4627]

@blankvision2771 I noticed you didn’t deny what I said, so no need to take you seriously.

[@Touchpadse]

If God is so perfect why could he not write a book that could only be interpreted in 1 way?

[@kellydalstok8900]

Interpreted? Always check your spellcheck.

[@Touchpadse]

@@kellydalstok8900 some of us are not native English speakers... Check your manners...

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

@@Touchpadse ooohhh, good burn! 😄😄😁

[@njhoepner]

@@kellydalstok8900 "Interpreted" is the correct spelling, so...?

[@Ares_V]

Btw the old testament was translated TO old Greek. It wasn't written in Greek. Anyone reading the old testament in ancient Greek is reading a translation the same way anyone reading the English version is reading a translation so I'm not entirely sure why the caller brings Greek up.

[@Steve-Cross]

Just in case you were wondering what a pubic angle was, like me. Here is what I found. The subpubic angle (or pubic angle) is the angle in the human body formed at pubic arch by the convergence of the inferior rami of theischium and pubis on either side. A subpubic angle of 50-82 degrees indicates a male; an angle of 90 degrees indicates a female. Now we know.😂

[@Natenick5]

One day as a society I’d hope we can admit that the “non-literal” parts of the Bible are the ones that don’t make sense and the “literal” parts are the ones that still make some sense. Such a transparent rationalization

[@njhoepner]

The problem is what fits into those categories is entirely arbitrary, and changes by time, place, and the specific purpose of the person making the call...better yet would be to recognize the whole thing is a collection of mythology just like all other religious texts, and relegate it to the historical curiosity it should have become long ago.

[@Theomatikalli]

@Forest I think you should look at a way of sharing your screen when you are referring to things on your ipad/tablet screen.. Many KZbinrs do it. That would help in making your message more impactful

[@adam2aces]

The expert translators are not confused the caller is! If you read different translations they all say the same thing about them dying when they eat the fruit.

[@DJH316007]

Gotta love the "I don't know where you got that from." Well if your read your damn book then you would know where.

[@lnsflare1]

Star Trek super fans learn Klingon. Lord of the Rings super fans learn Elvish. One Piece super fans learn Japanese. Christianity super fans almost never seem to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, or any of the other languages that the thing they believe is the inspired Word Of God that everyone should live there life according to was originally written in. Weird, that.

[@t800fantasm2]

" Weird, that" That's a good point....

[@ajclements4627]

A Star Trek super duper fan memorizes the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition along with Klingon.

[@Daniko2]

If a Christianity super fan learned Hebrew, then they'd just acquire a whole new set of problems. I can just imagine some Christian trying to debate Biblical interpretation with an Israeli. It would make for marvelous entertainment when said Israeli whips out their Torah and casually reads the original Hebrew, and then demands that the Christian justify their conclusion that native Hebrew speakers don't interpret the Bible correctly. I'd need lots of popcorn for that.

[@philvogelfilms]

Forrest: Bible me Johnny: Gotchu fam

[@guylandolt]

i don't think there would be any room for interpretation in the bible if there really was a god.

[@logicalmuslim1590]

You make an interesting and revealing point. It reveals your at least one of your criteria for believing the Creator is real: His scripture would not be open to interpretation. In my experience those who desire argument and dissent will misconstrue my meaning even when I think I've been specific. They will exploit any vagueness. If I say "Only Islam has the exact words of the Creator in the original language" someone says to me "what is the original language?" as if I meant the original language of all humans or something. So I have to say "Only Islam has the exact words of the Creator in the original language in which they were revealed" so I won't be misunderstood. But what does God say about your criteria? The Noble Qur'an: [3:7] It is He who revealed to you the Book. Some of its verses are definitive; they are the foundation of the Book, and others are unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation, they follow the unspecific part, seeking dissent, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none knows its interpretation except God and those firmly rooted in knowledge say, "We believe in it; all is from our Lord." But none recollects except those with understanding. On my channel there is a playlist titled "Proof that the Qur'an is a miracle". The last video on that list is "Someone wrote a surah like the Qur'an, now what?" I would respectfully ask you to view this short video before replying. Thank you.

[@smochygrice465]

@@logicalmuslim1590 Good morning cobber, good to see you back on this channel.

[@ajclements4627]

@@logicalmuslim1590 😂

[@drsatan3231]

​@@logicalmuslim1590why do most of your words from creator match up with the Torah which was written first? If it was as you claimed it was

[@logicalmuslim1590]

@@drsatan3231Why what? Make sense please. The words I quoted from the Qur'an are not my words they aren't even God's words they are an English translation of God's words. Is this mic on? Nobody is paying attention. The Noble Qur'an: [2:106] We never nullify a verse, nor cause it to be forgotten, unless We bring one better than it, or similar to it. Do you not know that God is capable of all things?

[@samuelsimmons9326]

Can this Unholy Trinity always host the show? Good lord you all work amazing with each other. I haven't enjoyed a show this much in a long time.

[@MrMattSax]

I wonder what the reliable method is to distinguish “correct hermeneutics and exegesis of the Bible” from “picking your favorite subjective interpretation of ambiguous ancient, prescientific mythologies, fables and poetry?”

[@nealjroberts4050]

I think it comes under "because I say so"

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

They always point to the book saying a thing. Then when we say the stupid shit said book says and point it out? "Whoa, where did you get that from? Clearly, you don't understand!!!!"

[@warmstrong5612]

The meaning behind the text is literally black & white. Any attempt to "interpret" it by the reader is just them trying to get it to fit their narrative. If you have to make excuses for an "all-powerful" gods behavior or decisions, you've already lost the argument.

[@petervargo1696]

Agreed. It was because of that realization that I came to be an atheist.

[@wwlib5390]

If the Bible was written in English....But it wasn't. The word be-yom is the Hebrew word used for the word 'day' in Genesis 2 - and it has a less definitive meaning - not 24 hour span.

[@smochygrice465]

Could be a native God, first time doing creation maybe 😆

[@ajclements4627]

@@wwlib5390 A day is a day, stop trying to twist language and reality to try and justify your belief in an imaginary friend. The ancient Egyptians came up with the concept of a 24 hour day long before your imaginary friend was created. “…when we take a *literal approach* to Genesis 1, I don’t think it is possible for yom to be anything but *ordinary days* without violating the *clear meaning* of the text.” - Eternal Perspective Ministries “Christians today need to stand in the shoes of the original audience and look at the book of Genesis (Hebrew, bereshith, meaning, "in the beginning," and in Greek, geneseos meaning, "genesis"). *God's Word shares an ever so simple truth in Genesis 1:1-2:3; God created in six literal Days and rested on the seventh Day.”* - Third Mil Ministries “It just so happens that Genesis 1 is one of those rare exceptions in which honest, sincere, Bible-believing scholarly people differ as to the meaning, with the interpretation being affected to some extent by the preconceptions of those who study the passage.” - Evidence for Christianity You lot can’t even agree on word usage, but somehow *you* know what the Genesis author meant? 😂

[@wwlib5390]

Just for reference - the word yom, not be-yom - is the word for 'day' each time it is mentioned in Genesis 1 during the creation account. Why the different word usage, do you suppose?

[@joeblow5588]

Joseph Campbell: "All religions: live for a metaphor, die for a metaphor"

[@SNDN_LN]

The only argument the caller had was that forrest was misinterpreting the scripture however, its clear the caller didnt know how to phrase his sentence. What he was trying to say was that there are many 'translations' and 'interpretations of those translations' if hes going to argue about translations and different iterations of the bible well then bud you better go learn aramaic, biblical hebrew or greek. Its a nonsense argument. Edit: i made this comment before finishing the clip and forrests response to check bible hub for the literal translation was perfect. You're a gift to our species Forrest.

[@njhoepner]

The caller is correct that many of the church fathers took the story to be allegorical, as they did with much/most of the bible - they had no choice, it was too nonsensical to take it any other way, and they weren't idiots. However he is wrong to 1) declare Forrest's interpretation "ridiculous:; 2) say he doesn't know where Forrest would get the idea; and 3) insist that if one takes it as an allegory it makes sense. It still doesn't, even with that dodge.

[@peterbunyan3924]

Jimmy is a great advert for why people switch off from religion because they spout of a load of crap about bible myths because that is all they are.

[@RickyisSwan]

The world champion mental gymnast.

[@ctwentysevenj6531]

Well God is an imagination of ancient storytellers. Well if a god was an imagination of storytellers of today, the god maybe be a nice god.

[@joshsheridan9511]

Well the super heroes of today's story tellers could be considered gods and their so good it's sickening.😆

[@kellydalstok8900]

@@joshsheridan9511wouldn’t that be goody-goody

[@ministryofarguments3525]

They are no different now as they were then. Humans like the freedom of fantasy escapism in fictional stories, but theists have taken it one step further especially pretending that they escape the universe after they die and get transported to a completely different universe as slaves. And Christians especially seem to like the idea of being a slave to a eternal master for some unknown reason.

[@jimmypoobah8094]

Christians and politicians do not have the ability to answer a simple and direct question. Why is this?

[@o-hogameplay185]

it is so interesting, that the most important thing must be interpreted in many ways depending on what part you read.... imagine this with a textbook. or not only that, but like a cooking book. even that cooking book is more consistent on how you should interpret it. "take a liter of water" "add 500g sugar" and so on. and then we have the most important message ever, and you have to figure out how to interpret it. like if you can understand a cooking book better than scripture (shocking, right?!), then your mental delusions, i mean faith is in serious trouble

[@BobbyFriston]

Can you translate "liter" please ?

[@o-hogameplay185]

@@BobbyFriston oh, an american? it is roughly around 3.93 (war crimes^2)/(school shooting ^3)

[@BobbyFriston]

@@o-hogameplay185 U.K. We are lost in translation.

[@dragonlordxakel]

Love the analogy of being able to understand a cookbook better than the bible.

[@BobbyFriston]

@@dragonlordxakel "Cooking book" not cookbook - they are two different things.

[@DavidEllis94]

"Are you saying God is the author of confusion!?" *Laughs in Book of Job*

[@YeshuaisnotJesus]

A talking snake, now that's believable.

[@ministryofarguments3525]

If a theist is not talking like a donkey then they're talking like a snake instead. 😉

[@vertigo4236]

@@ministryofarguments3525 If they just would... Satan makes waaaaay more sense in that storybook, than god. Which is not a high bar...

[@ministryofarguments3525]

@@vertigo4236 Supernaturalism is make-believe. You can interchange the supernatural characters at whim, just like they do with cartoon characters in a magazine.

[@YeshuaisnotJesus]

@KentuckyBrad Why does it say something different. If it does, then god didn't write the Bible. God knows all languages.

[@YeshuaisnotJesus]

@KentuckyBrad Satan is not mentioned. It's a talking snake. If my Bible is wrong, then god doesn't exist.

[@bodricpriest8816]

Love it when a Theist claims they have the one true interpretation of the Bibblebabble.... so sweet, more than a little scary but they sound so hopeful of convincing everyone that their version....

[@Alltime2050]

Good and evil, wisdom, blah blah blah. The thing that made it worth it to Adam and Eve was that the sex got way better after learning how to sin.

[@UVJ_Scott]

The Garden of Eden story is for the most part an allegorical temple narrative.

[@kellydalstok8900]

They should have asked Jimmie where he studied, because I don’t buy into the claim he studied anything at all.

[@imatsoup1437]

I don't think the caller understood his argument enough to call in and defend it. What he was trying to argue is that biblical scholars do interpret the scripture by figuring out what is and is not to be take literally judging by the structure and the overarching context of the language. Most biblical scholars would agree that the Genesis garden story is not meant to be interpreted as a literal account.

[@kaliban4758]

tell that to the creationists

[@joshsheridan9511]

Well he does believe that genesis was written in Hebrew and Greek. I'm not sure the caller knows what planet he's on.

[@joshsheridan9511]

By the way bugger the bible scholars, the creationists that call the show and infest the threads, believe the bible is the literal word of God until it says something they don't like .

[@jayrose8638]

“Holy” text are like people. Torture them enough and they’ll say anything you want. But of course nobody can actually provide any convincing reason to believe in anything these stories have to say so there is that.

[@allanhindmarch7323]

The only books that are open to interpretation are fiction books. You would think that an instruction book inspired by god would be the one book that could only be interpreted one way by all people.

[@aaronstanley474]

@allanhindmarch7323 Well first it would require you to entertain the thought that the universe and all of creation was formed by a higher power, if you can’t entertain that thought then no amount reading material or supporting evidence will matter. I would also add when reading, you need to apply scrutiny sure, but I wouldn’t apply it to a degree that you don’t apply anywhere else in your life, if your looking for 100% certainty, you should be realistic and honest, there isn’t any aspect of your life that you operate with that degree of certainty so why would you apply it to a document that is a collection of documents dating back about 2500 years that we know of from archeology and 6000 years if we are to believe the Bible, and I would also keep in mind that not every language has the same words for something described as well as how emphasis and multiple meanings for how and where a word is used. Like here in this case died isn’t a perfect translation, in Hebrew the same word can implied based of the context as dying and is done as such here.

[@allanhindmarch7323]

@@aaronstanley474 the language issue is semantics. Biblical scholars have been studying and translating it long enough to have a pretty good handle on what it says. Interpretation is the killer. You sound like you think rationally and show scepticism in your everyday life. Why then does this evade those processes for you? There really isn't any evidence apart from anecdotal for the existences of a god. You may agree that we currently, and have never had any physical means to investigate anything supernatural. If we can't investigate something using the scientific method, and it leaves no trace of physical evidence, why would you believe it's real?

[@theunholinesswithin70]

Also: What about the cop out that "god is beyond human comprehension"?

[@amtlpaul]

I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with that if the people saying it took it to its logical conclusion and refrained from making any God claims at all.

[@theunholinesswithin70]

Well, christians have claimed critical parts of this religion are only metaphorical, which would therefore mean god is only a metaphor. @@amtlpaul

[@drooten]

Original sin. Is that whet you get tinea between your toes from sharing the shower with others.

[@dethspud]

Back when I was a believer I did a lot of mental gymnastics trying to rationalize how the bible could be true while obviously being fiction. I terms of the Edenic myth I put the whole eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil as an explanation for why humans were the only animal with a concept of good and evil. ie. We stole it from God the way Prometheus stole fire and were similarly punished. Same way the Babel story explained why there were different languages. Eventually came to the realization that it was all myth with no real useful truths

[@left_handed_jedi]

I believe that Eve was simply a gender swapped clone of Adam that gawd made after Lilith moved to a different part of the garden

[@carlosalarcon9389]

The Bible is not the word of God, the Bible has the word of God. This is the correct version: God never warned Adam and Eve that they were going to die on that same day, God warned them that on the day that they eat from that tree, that they no longer could be immortals (because they were actually immortals).

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@carlosalarcon9389 the bible is a mish mash of historic fiction and pure fantasy.

[@ajclements4627]

@@carlosalarcon9389 The verse said they’d die on the day they ate it.

[@left_handed_jedi]

@@carlosalarcon9389 what does that have to do with Lilith being Adam's first wife and Eve being a clone?

[@apimpnamedslickback5936]

The way they taught it to me in church back when I believed was that the idea of death as mentioned in the Bible as at that time by god was “seperation from god” like the wages of sin are death so and sin is seperation from god so it just became a bunch of equivalences that led to circular logic and construed the meaning of the texts

[@brucewilliams4152]

Personally don't care what the bible has to say. It is not a book that is accurate.

[@Slartifartblast]

There's only one error, it starts at the front cover and ends at the back cover...

[@smochygrice465]

Plus the bible Gods have you doing boring ritual activities like worship and prayer. Like who has the time for that crap.

[@Slartifartblast]

@@KentuckyBrad I don't need to prove it's wrong it does a good enough job of that itself. And if God was real I just think she's a bit of a prick...

[@fredbohm4728]

@@KentuckyBrad The Buybull has hundreds of errors in it. The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. The order of events known from science is just the opposite. God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? "I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat." Since many plants have evolved poisons to protect against animals that would like to eat them, God's advice is more than a little reckless. Would you tell your children to go out in the garden and eat whatever plants they encounter? Of course not. But then, you are much nicer and smarter than God. God curses the serpent. From now on the serpent will crawl on his belly and eat dust. One wonders how he got around before -- by hopping on his tail, perhaps? But snakes don't eat dust, do they? Etc, etc, etc. So many errors, contradictions, and absurdities in your book of fairy tales.

[@Slartifartblast]

@@KentuckyBrad the thing is I don't need to, your joke of a story book does it for me. How people in the 21st century still think it's real is unbelievable....

[@briansehovski9854]

Wait, the caller just said he “does this as a hobby “. While advocating it is truth.

[@davidfitnesstech]

*Interpretation* or *translation* or *whatever....* It doesn't matter. I see *no evidence* that anything in the Bible *came from a god* or was *inspired by God.* Or is even remotely *'divine'.* At most, I can see where it could have been *inspired* merely by their *belief* that a god existed. But I *definitely do* see evidence that it was *written by ancient men.*

[@carlosalarcon9389]

The Bible is not the word of God, the Bible has the word of God. This is the correct version: God never warned Adam and Eve that they were going to die on that same day, God warned them that on the day that they eat from that tree, that they no longer could be immortals (because they were actually immortals).

[@jayrose8638]

OP nailed it. And not a single intelligent counterpoint in sight.

[@LaKoeps]

​@@carlosalarcon9389He had forbidden Adam to touch it under pain of death: "quo enim die comederis ex eo, morte morieris". Which translated quite literally comes down to: "for on the day you eat from it you will die by death". Die by death on the day you eat from it, not in the future one day day because you lost immortality.

[@ryanw8987]

As an ex-mormon, the thing we were always taught was that Adam and Eve were immortal while they stayed in the garden, but once they were expelled then they became mortal. So eating the fruit caused them to be expelled which meant they were going to die. So that's how they justified that line. However, the "in that day" part was kind of glossed over, or interpreted to mean more like "once that day happens where you eat the fruit it will then be possible for you to die." Still have to ask the question of if that's what was really meant then why didn't they just say that to begin with, but the bible's gotta bible I guess.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I'm guessing they also glossed over the Tree of Life bit that would bestow immortality.

[@ryanw8987]

@@nealjroberts4050 actually no, but it was looked at as spiritual immortality (and the possibility of eternal life after resurrection) rather than immortality on earth. Bringing that up also reminds me of the other part of the death from eating the apple - spiritual death, which the LDS church equates to being cut off from God. So eating the apple both meant the inevitable physical death along with being cast out of God's presence (spiritual death). They did a good job of trying to separate the physical and spiritual side of things, most likely to explain away inconsistencies in scripture. For those still in the church, that's an easy straw to grasp at.

[@nealjroberts4050]

@@ryanw8987 Thank you, good to know.

[@senseijoe-xk7jn]

Greatest video ever, how did they get jesus to come

[@krisbest6405]

He meant deathcap mushrooms!

[@jismonjmathew6437]

Satan said truth and god lied

[@amtlpaul]

​@@KentuckyBradWhere did the talking serpent say they would be like God 'in every way'??

[@KentuckyBrad1980-yv4cg]

@@amtlpaulin genesis 3

[@amtlpaul]

@@KentuckyBrad1980-yv4cg Procude the actual quotation.

[@helenhettinger-hayes]

the way the 3 hosts advocate for one another. i have the hardest time advocating for myself and have had to learn a non-assault way to advocate for my children. I believe some of the root of that problem was my Catholic mixed with Southern Baptist Religions up brining!!!💜💙💚

[@Mike.Muc.3.1415]

Jimmie is so lost. It is kind of tragic how he considers himself to be a skeptical mind.

[@louiscyfer6944]

maybe skeptical means something else in the original aramaic of genesis.

[@jensraab2902]

I'm an atheist and have no sympathy for Nazis but Johnny's remark there at the beginning about Joseph Campbell was very weak. Even if any given argument had been brought forth by Hitler himself, that wouldn't make it necessarily wrong. The validity of an argument isn't dependent on who makes it. Like I said, I'm not trying to argue the theist position but we shouldn't resort to cheap rhetorical tricks.

[@stevemack7110]

Who was there in the Garden to take down what God and the serpent said?

[@stevemack7110]

Nope@@KentuckyBrad

[@marjorieanderson8626]

If I were atheist arguing with Forrest on this... I would go with the tried and true "God can't tell time" angle. You know the "a thousand years is like a day to God" thing. Because Adam DID die within a thousand years. Which of course is "the same day" to God. Checkmate Forrest!!

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

You guys gotta learn to believe the bible without believing the bible, Because divine mystery or something.

[@avi8r66]

This is what so many theists do. They claim to believe 'the bible' but they like the interpretation some preacher told them of the various stories that makes them feel good. They don't like dealing with the bible as it is presented.

[@joseelizondo8028]

If god words were meaning something different... why the hell he just didn't say what he was meanto say???????????????

[@ajclements4627]

Exactly. Several major faiths and 45k denominations within Christianity and none agree on biblical canon or meanings of verses or even words.

[@carlosalarcon9389]

The Bible is not the word of God, the Bible has the word of God. This is the correct version: God never warned Adam and Eve that they were going to die on that same day, God warned them that on the day that they eat from that tree, that they no longer could be immortals (because they were actually immortals).

[@joshsheridan9511]

Moronic ways and all that jazz.

[@joshsheridan9511]

@@carlosalarcon9389 continually posting the same spam, won't make your drivel true.

[@joseelizondo8028]

@carlosalarcon9389 how you know you have the correct version? Can you prove it?..... I know you can't

[@anthonymarcus8841]

John Dominic Crossan former member of Jesus seminar and former catholic priest has written that the body of christ was almost certainly left on the cross and eaten by wild dogs. This was a common fate by those who were crucified.

[@roberthayford2004]

Why would an all powerful deity write a truth that had to be “interpreted “? The instant you claim that any line of scripture, or any writing, is open to interpretation you have destroyed any credibility the writing has or would have had.

[@nakkadu]

I don't like how they keep saying "nazi apologist" whenever he mentions Joseph Campbell and talk about Terence McKenna's mushroom experience when he's mentioned....come on guys just address what is said and stop the ad hominems.

[@joshsheridan9511]

The caller agreed with both points, so what's your problem?

[@nakkadu]

@@joshsheridan9511 I explained my "problem" clearly, they are ad hominems, although both points were true they are also completely irrelevant to the discussion. It makes no difference what the caller's response was.

[@bunnykiller]

FFS... these people are just as bad as Flerfers.. moving the goal post when ever the opposing team gets close to scoring a goal....

[@Pooknottin]

Look, you need to understand that if the bible says something you don't like, you're supposed to find some way to make it say something that you do like. :P

[@4dojo]

“Like many athiests you seem to interpret it very literally”. Gotta love how Christians cherry pick out any part of the Bible that is immoral or doesn’t make sense and say “Oh. Well that’s not literal”.

[@bdpickett]

Hey, can we maybe not jump on the ad hominem fallacies, guys? We're meant to be better than that.

[@kaliban4758]

an ad hom is saying someone's argument is wrong because the person is dumb, stupid, etc saying someone is dumb because their argument is dumb, stupid, etc is not an ad hom

[@thefuzzman]

​@@kaliban4758no. Ad hominem is when you attack the person instead of their argument. This is the definition from the Oxford dictionary: "directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining."

[@bdpickett]

@@kaliban4758 Calling a guy a Nazi supporter is an ad hominem.

[@kaliban4758]

@@bdpickett wrong fallacy it is "poisoning the well"

[@warrensmith8161]

The entire Bible is written in what is essentially an allegoric code. Each real world idea can be represented by multiple metaphors and when theists "interpret" this allegory, they are basically defining and describing metaphors only in relation to other metaphors. If atheists would only open their minds and work on deciphering this allegory they could destroy the religions it supports by exposing the fact that "God" is nothing but a metaphor. The story of the Tree of Good and Evil is an allegory about the discovery of allegory. Allegory has an "above" and a "below" and consists of a feminine "cover" married to a masculine reality. (The name "Adam" means "to be red" and this is the basis of the Matrix "red pill" metaphor.) "Good" and "evil" then correspond to hiding knowledge and revealing knowledge. Since the creation of allegory meant that "man" would be cast into the underworld of hidden meanings, he metaphorically "died", however, by being given a "cover" in the form of Eve, he lived on in the literal world as a metaphor or "shadow" of his original form. This code has been employed for thousands of years, but it's primary defense lies in the fact that it does not look like a code. Once this barrier is passed, deciphering it is relatively easy. The most important step is establishing the proper context which is greatly aided by identifying allusions and following them wherever they lead.

[@rayneweber5904]

Hey, Edging isnt a myth. Its a perfectly acceptable practice for a young man. Oh, wait..

[@artistjoh]

Why did they just gloss over his admission that he is advocating the words of a NAZI sympathiser? We know that Hitler seems to have had Catholic beliefs, and other NAZI leaders had strong beliefs in supernatural things so there is a historic connection between these concepts, but following the horrendous atrocities of the NAZI regime, I would hope that no civilised person would so blithely just espouse the ideas of Nazism and their ilk.

[@elmagnifiz]

When the guy in the middle looks like " Jesus Christ" and speaks against all the inconsistencies in the " good book". 😄

[@joshsheridan9511]

The guy in the middle looks like Rasputin.

[@t800fantasm2]

The guy in the middle doesn't look like a dark skinned person from the middle east 2,000 + years ago, and his hair is probably too long... Body lice would have encouraged most people to be short haired and clean shaven...

[@ajclements4627]

@@KentuckyBrad Why do you lot think he looks like a white guy from California?

[@ajclements4627]

@@KentuckyBrad I didn’t say he was white Brad, I said “why does he look like a white guy from California?” US Christians wouldn’t accept a middle eastern looking man as Jesus, therefore he looks white. Christians in other cultures tend to have JC and God looking like they do as well.

[@ajclements4627]

@@KentuckyBrad When he started to look white in art is irrelevant, the point is JC would not look Middle Eastern to US Christians, nor would he look Asian, or Hispanic or any other race. US Christians “see” him as European/Caucasian looking.

[@pamelafreeman2781]

Is this the best argument. Do the words in the Bible “you shall surely die” mean “that day”. B/c a better argument the caller could have made was that eating from the forbidden tree ended immortality for Adam and Eve and, therefore, they would die…at some point - not necessarily that day.

[@Glasschin2.0]

Where’s the verse that says they were immortal? If they were immortal , in the beginning why did god create the heavens and the earth. What was the point of heaven if humans were immortal?

[@Glasschin2.0]

Where’s the verse that says they were immortal? If they were immortal , in the beginning why did god create the heavens and the earth. What was the point of heaven if humans were immortal?