Perturabo and the Importance of Kindness

[@JJAustrian]

"We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity." Damn. That fits perfectly. Well done, sir.

[@EmonWBKstudios]

Workers of the world, unite!

[@justincapone]

“The Great Dictator” Charlie Chaplains first talking picture and he decides to knock it out of the freaking park!

[@LionSnob]

Cognition by EndLevel

[@georgesulea]

More than the wars and battles, the analysis of these demigods makes the whole universe more accessible to me. Very well done. You're one of the few I've listened to that really brings this home. Well done Sir.

[@testinghydra5652]

I want to add that Perturabo was capable of kindness and compassion, in Magnus’s primarch novel Perty features a lot in. He is coordinating the evacuation of an entire planet, and he puts just as much effort into it as he does any siege, total commitment to evacuating as many people as possible. And it also shows off his genuine brotherhood with Magnus, they’re nerd bros, they love knowledge and Perty cares for Magnus and tries to warn him off from doing things he knows he shouldn’t do.

[@Dogue83]

I loved it when he told off Magnus from using the Warp.

[@Integritys_Sum]

He's a perfectionist, it's a matter of principle, not context

[@oddity]

Getting told "Shut up and get it done." can and will turn into telling yourself "Shut up and get it done." Thanks for this video.

[@Ares99999]

Except nobody in the Imperium told him to shut up. Its a fact that Perturabo seemed so evenly-grumpy that even the other Primarchs couldn't tell if he was unhappy. And Perturabo never really told any of the them that he was unhappy. He played a fair part in his own misery.

[@bbgamegodpnw]

Hes like the only one if someone came and gave him a hug he wouldve stayed loyal 😂. Cus thats what im getting. ​@Ares99999

[@Mister-Thirteen]

I think Peter Turbo was an experiment in built in knowledge. Like the Orks or the Jokaero; Perturabo never had to really think on how to solve a problem. He merely looked at something and his mind would pull up the complex information unbidden. Which resulted in a man that could never know the joy of discovery of self improvement. Just meticulous pragmatism. Everything became a matter of stoic efficiency. Perturabo came across as cold and remorseless because he never learned lateral thinking until he was already a tool of war. Even in his origin he was caught climbing the walls of a palace because his mind simply drew a line between where he was and where he wanted to be. The notion of talking his way in or sneaking just seemed like wastes of time when he knew he could scale those walls without issue.

[@daltonbecker4494]

Might be why he had a fascination with art, only way he could discover anything. He couldn't discover a way to build a plane, but he could discover the statue in a block of marble.

[@bigbangrafa8435]

I wish Vulkan had found him instead of Horus, that would have given Perturabo the emotional anchor he so desperately needed. Many of the traitor primarchs had their issues that might not have been solved by the Emperor not being a dick, like Angron and Mortarion, but Perturabo is the best example of a person who just wanted to be loved and appreciated. I still remember how emotional he got when the Emperor arrived on Olympia, he was so deperate to find someone who really cared about him.

[@zedhiro6131]

And how did he treat his adopted father when he met big e? Perty was princeling of that world, he had wealth, stature, accolades, and power.

[@Artemisarrowzz]

His adopted father actually did love him and he only came to realize it long after he was gone

[@janefkrbtt]

​@@zedhiro6131 its one of those not loving ur stepdad and glorifying your blood dad. while not realizing that your step dad is actually the one who understands and loves you until it's too late.

[@erdervv]

I don't agree entirely with your view of Parturabo. His adoptive father is shown multiple times trying to cheer him up, one time he even enters perty's tower and gushes over his designs for buildings, asks him why he never showed them to him because he would have been happy to let him build them and perturabo kicks him out. Demmekos liked perty, maybe even loved him, but he was a ruler in a harsh world filled with harsh people where every resource was finite and equally important, surrounded by other rulers of equally harsh places and people. Weakness is simply something that can't be shown in the open on Olympia, and openly showing kindness is seen by many as weakness. Perturabo distanced himself from his father and the rest of his adoptive family at every opportunity, Calliphone, arguably the only person who ever spent much time with him, is spot on when she tells him that he enjoys having a martyr complex. Perturabo, at every point during his childhood and during the crusade had every opportunity to change his life around and do what he truly loved, he had every opportunity to complain, to say no, to ask for a reprieve or for a more fair division of shitty missions amongst the legions. He chose not to. Because of all primarchs Perturabo is, surprisingly, the most human in all the wrong places. Perturabo loved to create projects of incredible efficiency, scope, beauty and utility. He never built one and hardly ever showed them to anyone, not because he lacked the means, but because he was afraid. He was afraid that if the emperor said yes and let him build them, and they ended up in failure, or even worse, if Rogal made a better one, then that would be undeniable proof that he was the worst builder of the two. But as long as he kept himself from trying, as long as he found excuses, he could at least pretend he was as intelligent as he believed himself to be. Perturabo, unlike his asterte sons and his other primarch brothers, feels fear. Not the fear of the unknown or fear of death, but fear of rejection, and being afraid of being rejected he constantly maneuvered himself in position where he couldn't make demands or a true effort at a relationship with anyone. He even went so far as to build himself defense automatons rather than have a honor guard, his excuse is that "he didn't trust his legionaries enough", as if, it was just another way to put up a wall between him and people. I don't even think he did so on purpose, this is something humans do every day without even realizing it. Perturabo didn't need kindess or support, Perturabo needed someone that kicked him in the ass and forced him to do what he truly loved to do regardless of the consequences and of his bitching and moaning, Perturabo needed a friend.

[@Whiteknight-xg2pq]

That was surprisingly insightful, is this all in his Primarch Book or is it laced round in other parts?

[@fishpop]

Calling Perty a "Meanie poo-poo head" made me chuckle.

[@justincapone]

Extra credit for using the word “decimate” correctly this time ❤

[@Kallisto.0]

In ancient Rome, decimation was a military punishment that involved killing one out of every ten soldiers.

[@katona497]

Perturabo is the personification of "I did so much, and got so little in return."

[@frostmagemarii]

Bull. He volunteered for everything, he pushed his legion to never stop and then NEVER wanted accolades until he was alone, then he complained that he never got any. He wanted people to shower him with praise while constantly saying "guys, you don't have to do this. It was nothing, seriously. Stop, you're embarrassing me."

[@I_am-lost.]

Perturabo is the guy who willingly signs up for a job, then spends ages complaining about it and then wonders why no one wants to be near him or reward him

[@alejandrorp5160]

He's a martyr complex on legs

[@Kallisto.0]

"I tried so hard and got so far But in the end, it doesn't even matter I had to fall to lose it all But in the end, it doesn't even matter" ~Perturabo

[@ThelastofNazarick]

​@I_am-lost. Key difference. He complains so rarely in public. Only in private moments does he complain. It's more: "this is a tough job. We always get these jobs. Would it be so wrong to trade jobs with fulgrim? Let's see how 200 warriors handle the hrud. How about the word bearers? They gonna preach down the hrud? How about the space wolves or world eaters?

[@Kurze099]

Gotta say bones, I’m loving this series. Your giving such an interesting look into the layers of the primarchs

[@cryamistellimek9184]

Perturabo is simultaneously the galaxy’s largest martyr complex, inferiority complex, and superiority complex stacked on top of eachother in power armor. Edit: The comment string of replies either got their understanding of him from biased KZbin videos or read the books with their eyes closed. Nobody who kills their sister over being told the truth is some misunderstood person.

[@Jacobp-li9fi]

You missed workaholic

[@GatoSacro]

You missed petulant baby

[@Jacobp-li9fi]

@@GatoSacro you missed never complaining

[@GatoSacro]

@@Jacobp-li9fi isn't part of his entire personality that he actually did that a lot with his sons and sister?

[@Jacobp-li9fi]

@GatoSacro he gets the job done when no other legion could or wants he doesn't throw fits when he's told to go do a shit siege or Another war of attrition

[@deimos5333]

While I do think it's a tragedy that nobody recognized the irony of a Primarch being vulnerable about something, and not sharing it, and (IIRC) many subtle things causing Peterabo to further forge a shell around his insecurity, while it never left and still chewed at him, I will not stop calling him "Peter-boo-hoo".

[@Vox_Rhododendron]

Perturabo is a fantastic embodiment of the idea that satisfaction can’t be solely external. He never could find worth in himself, and relied on others to prove to *himself* that he was worth something. Perturabo is someone who *hates himself.* It’s plainly obvious. His behavior maps disturbingly well to Borderline Personality Disorder. A personality shaped by a neglectful childhood. This is why he’s my favorite Primarch. I can relate to the guy. I am that “artist” that was forced into a more pragmatic role. I think a lot of people can relate to looking for validation from *someone, anyone* just to prove to *yourself* deep down that you are wanted, that you deserve better. Best Primarch. He’s so beautifully broken.

[@justachannel8600]

So you think BPD comes from neglect? I thought it comes from a turbulent (abuse-love) childhood. So it would be kind of self-replicating. I'm no expert, though.

[@Vox_Rhododendron]

@@justachannel8600 Not solely, I meant more as it applied to Perty as a character. It has all kinds of causes. I’m not really an expert either.

[@thetimer1985]

perturabo the very essence of a Greek tragedy

[@randomrealistictone2231]

That's Angron

[@danjudex2475]

Another thing that messed up Perturabo was , ironically for someone who prided himself on be apathetic, was taking any slight against him personally. This ultimately forged a belief that all people ever saw him as a thing to use and did not actually care about him. Causing him to develop a martyr complex that causes him to just doing the worst most costly tactics to win. Not focusing on building anything because he thought that was all they wanted of him. Even though he had the freedom to do whatever he could want to do within reason. The first example is with his adopted father With his dad, there was a scene where in the same time as calling of his plans “useless scribbles” and his “follies” ; questioned him on why he wasn’t doing anything with them. Implying that he had said it without malice and was meant to be teasing. Perturabo didn’t see it that way and believed that his dad was chastising him. The more obvious one was later with the event that caused the Iron Warriors/Imperial Fist rivalry in the first place was an offhand matter of fact quote by Dorn about who could build a better fortification. The last major one being with Calliope because (spoilers) it is revealed that the person behind the rebellion was none other than Calliope herself. Perty obviously upset and hurt by this betrayal demands to know why she did this and basically she points out how hypocritical he can be. Seeing the worst in people and how it blinds him from his potential and destroys everyone under him. At this insinuation he strangles her to death.

[@nathangreene1149]

His sister death is the one thing he regrets about more than anything and Perturabo truly loved and still loves her more than anything and after he killed her in rage he is still trying his best to bring her back to him the only thing perturabo cared about most and who cared and still cares for him.

[@thatergitherrel]

Perturabo is genuinely the one character from this setting I can relate to, specifically for his upbringing and the results therein.

[@BaldPolishBiotechnol]

Want a hug...?

[@johnpaul5447]

Same. Tough it out and pull through brother, don’t get hung up on bullshit and let it bring you down.

[@BaldPolishBiotechnol]

You made me self reflect... I do not know if I feel more alike to Mortarion or Corvus Corax now.

[@Sweetness71775]

Konrad for me. I've felt abandoned by everyone I've ever cared about at one point or another in my life and while I don't have precognition, I'm both incredibly intelligent and wise so I can see where shit is going but when I try to warn people about it, they ignore me or get mad at me because I don't pull my punches.

[@coolnamebro7363]

Perturabo: "I am better than everyone around me." Normal person: "No you aren't." Perturabo: 'Gestures to the other Traitor Primarchs.' Normal person: "Well..."

[@alejandrorp5160]

Perty still has to become an adult. His BEST and sanest moment was quitting the Siege of Terra. He could be relateable if he wasn't an OP demigod commanding huge armies... who still victimises himself and thinks life owes him. For all his innovations, he embodies stagnancy and rust. And teenagen angst.

[@lancepharker]

Imagine if Perturabo met an un-nailed Angron. He almost feels built to fix Perty.

[@Pennywise12528]

I feel it wasn't a coincidence that Angron got sent to a place that lobotomized him. Imagine how much would have changed if there was a guy who could have mediated between Perty and Dorn until they got over their initial grudges and made up. Would have blown the knees off of any possible Horus Heresy, and that's just one relationship in a whole family tree of bad communication ruining everything.

[@mitab1]

@@Pennywise12528I think if angron’s dad took the nails instead of him and angron then did his uprising, he would have taken over his planet, because he wouldn’t be lobotomised, and angron would have been the kind brother he was meant to be however While his kindness and compassion would be a thorn in chaos’ side, his open hatred towards the emperor would also edge the shit out of chaos I think chaos would need to get rid off angron so they can gaslight the other primarchs to turn to chaos, it would be also interesting if angron was a ranagade whose neither be loyal nor will he join the traitor I think if he and the world eaters manage to get to terra thier objective would be to save the innocent people of terra,

[@theemissary1313]

Anyone who doesn't empathise with Perturabo should feel blessed that they can't. Also, most people - If it ain't broken, don't fix it Perturabo - If it ain't working it gets broken. (Thank you Terry Pratchett)

[@Voynuk44]

Geez bro that was corny and that comment is getting old, it’s not that deep. it’s one of the most common villain trope within storytelling going back to antiquity. The reason the trope/his story is so retable compared to the rest of the primarchs and why his character’s story is so “loved” and popular, good and bad is because it’s the most human story, and an extremely common one at that, it’s almost like the story/character/trope is written in a way so that any reader can empathize, relate and understand the villain and his actions by using some of the most common, general but strong and impactful negative human experiences/memories people can pull on from childhood to the present. Difference is Perty has handled his emotions and projected reality around that like a child/teenager for 10’000 years

[@theemissary1313]

@@Voynuk44 To everything after the first sentence - yes, I watched the video too. Well done for repeating it.

[@XDerNetteMannX]

​​@@Voynuk44 you wrote so much, but said so little...

[@BaldiTheBully]

He did NOT accidentally kill his sister, MR ARTHUR BONES!!!!! He grabbed her, and spoke to her for an entire paragraph before he SQUEEZED her neck, and snapped it. THEN he put the body down, cried and shot out the windows cuz he was uncomfortable by the silence and his own actions.

[@nikkicoyotie8431]

"Kindness costs you nothing" is a personal motto

[@Khashmonet]

A couple years ago I found myself using that phrase regularly. I don't even know where I would have heard it first but it just kind of became something I keep in mind.

[@alastor8091]

For most people sure, but I don't like pretending to care about people. Then people think you're trying to be their friend and I feel even worse when it's like "I was just trying to be nice, I don't like you or even have feelings about you in the slightest, I was just following a blind platitude." I see it happen to me and it irritates me because, if you don't really care, in my eyes, your kindness is performative.

[@Khashmonet]

@@alastor8091 that's very disturbing

[@alastor8091]

@@Khashmonet that I hate fake kindness? That I also hate giving people the wrong idea so I also don't give out fake kindness? I'm not saying be mean, but I hate and wish people wouldn't for example, give fake smiles when they aren't happy to see you. I'm 90% sure I have some kind of undiagnosed autism, so I find it really frustrating how I can never tell how people are really feeling in a given moment, so I'd prefer if people were honest in their interactions.

[@Khashmonet]

@@alastor8091 That you interpret kindness as fake or malicious.

[@iansterling9150]

There’s a scene in angel exterminatus where he is stoked to build a beautiful theater for fulgrim, but then sees it as a failure because some raven guard sneak in. He then decides to destroy the theater afterwards and all his other architectural drawings and plans thinking “what’s the point, no one cares about this side of me”. Poor bo just needed some validation for his creativity.

[@RRed19]

Validation can come from outside, but it needs to come from within first. Perturabo needed to stop seeing himself as a tool and more as a person. He needed… someone there to try and give him some relief, some semblance of understanding of his mentality and why he has become the way he was… and to tell him what happened to him was NOT OK. That life is difficult, but in its difficultly you can find meaning.

[@unclesamlore]

The way i grew up i felt like perty alot to a degree. Thankfully i grew out of it, but ive always related to him alot. Good stuff here my man

[@Cmdtheartist]

Deep down, Peter Turbo is feeling super embarrassed, being a servant of Chaos after all his big talk. You can use someone's childhood as exhibit #1 as to why they are the way they are, but Petey is thousands of years old, he has to accept blame for his present state of robot demon prince. This might be a case of "Kill 'em all and let the Emperor sort 'em out."

[@lykos2738]

He's a bigger hypocrite than Mortarion in that regard. Morty can at least say that he was forced to cut a deal to save his legion.

[@Artemisarrowzz]

@@lykos2738 I mean, Perty was forced by stupid retcons, bad planning and poor writing.

[@Dogue83]

@lykos2738 nobody is a bigger hypocrite than Morty, Peter Turbo might have dropped the whole "I'll get the job done no questions asked no matter what" and been petulant on occasion but he didn't become everything he claimed to despise. Mortarion became the very thing he railed against in Nikea, no different from the adopted father he claimed to hate and he did it all to save his own skin. Perty never really abandoned the Iron Within, Mortarion spit on everything he stood for.

[@lykos2738]

@@Dogue83 I don't know about that. Typhus literally pulled the biggest dick move in The Buried Dagger. Mortarion was looking at an eternity of cancer AIDS.

[@shapshapshapshap2829]

Considering Peter Turbo hates all basically all of the chaos gods and would shove them all in a machine if he could, I think at this point he’s extremely pissed off at Fulgrim for putting him in the daemon robot suit b/c now the officio assassianorium can’t just walk up and stab him like they did with Conrad

[@TwistedMajora]

To be honest you had already covered Perturabo well in your Iron Warriors legion video and figured you'd skip this one because of that. Thank you for taking a deeper dive into this character. God bless.

[@christophersmith8848]

Perturabo is the kid in middle school you sit next to during lunch because he's sitting alone, and then you learn why he always sits alone. It's important to consider how he treated his other sibling, his brother, who had every ridicule, every mockery Perturabo could think up dunked on his head, for no other reason than Perturabo enjoyed tormenting him. There comes a time when he has to answer for his own actions, and saying he had a terrible upbringing doesn't excuse him of that responsibility.

[@Pragabond]

Yeah I put it a little more long winded in my comment but his dad was definitely gross and used him as a tool but he did praise him and make attempts to understand him at times whereas Perturabo is just a petulant asshole for no other reason than he is one. He could've left his tower and went out on his own to build all the things he wanted but he chose to sit in his misery and blame his dad when he had ALL the power to overthrow his dad or just straight up leave and go work on his own or with some other ruler interested in building the things he is interested in. But he didn't. Victim and martyr complex before everything else.

[@alienatedpoet1766]

Dang you've explained Perturabo in a way that not just made him relatable, but I identify with that. I was an English major because just about everything pushed me in that direction, even though my creativity was pushing me more toward the arts. It took my girlfriend breaking up with me during my first year of college for me to look back on my life and realize the hollow shell of a person I was, and what kind of person I would have become if I stayed. That's when I changed to English to be a writer. And while my family was skeptical, they saw that I became less pessimistic and overall happier and kinder. So I guess I'm being turned more toward the Iron Warriors now out of all the chaos factions. I was already a Salamanders guy for the loyalists.

[@Funko777]

9:58-9:59 captions on 😂

[@harrybarden6053]

I think Pertys greatest flaw was his inability to say no and set protect himself. Because he was treated so poorly by his human father and then by the emperor he constantly treads a line between shielding himself off from other so they can't hurt him but desperately yearing for their approval and doing anything to get it. Hence the high attrition rates in his battles. He couldn't say no to the emperor when asked to complete a thankless suicide mission and count say no to Horus when asked to do the same. His final act in the side of Terra, to finally say no to those who abuse and manipulate him, finally protecting his sons as well is his last moment of growth and the completion of his arc. Despite all the flaws in the way he of written, its all around a really solid core that I love.

[@mdwgx522]

Funny thing: I had a dream that I went to a Warhammer discussion group and there were only three other people there. One of them was you and you were going on this never ending monologue about Perturabo. I kept waiting to you to pause so I could say something but you never did. Then I woke up and realized I had fallen asleep in front of my laptop and this video was playing.

[@boy5390]

I always thought Perturabo had "The Second Oldest Brother in the Family" mentality To those have have a big Family understand this kind of mentally. He is trying too hard to act like the eldest while trying to look "Stoic" in front of the Bread winner of the Family, usually The Father

[@no3396]

Perturabo; perpetually perturbed.

[@LJD442]

I really liked your ladder metaphor, it can apply to a lot of things. Perturabo is a character I can relate to because I feel like I was in that cycle of not knowing how to express what you really needed, leading to a self-fulling prophecy. Seeing the Eye of Terror at a young age must have been a really confusing thing especially for a very logic driven character. Here is this strange thing in your mind's eye, what is it fate calling you? Taunting you? Warning you? You don’t have a clue. Hiding that from his brothers thinking it was some kind of flaw or defect is going to sabotage your relationships as well. My mini Peter Turbo rant is over.

[@gaebi]

A similar case can be made for each of the chaos primarchs to one degree or the other. A personal favorite of mine is Lorgar who I feel is really misunderstood by the community. Before his fall to chaos, he is genuinely seen to show the most compassion for the people and his brothers. I grew up in a religious home where the faith was used more like a weapon than a means to unify. I grew up hating the whole religion as a child and into my teen years. Then I actually read the texts for myself and realized how badly it was misrepresented in my early life. Lorgar had one of the worst childhoods, being beaten, abused and mistreated by his foster father. Yet, we see Lorgar grow to be kind and compassionate, even going as far as forgiving his abuser and rescuing him from the mob. He then transforms the word bearers, a legion the emperor in all his wisdom intended to be used for the fervent genocide of all theists in the galaxy, into devoted servants of the people, helping them adapt to the teachings of the emperor. We have his compassion for his brothers with how he desperately dug Angron out of a rubble in the middle of a war with no regard for his own safety, nearly dying in the process but was saved by Angron. Later he even resurrects Angron as a demon prince in a misplaced way of showing his love for him and not wanting to see Angron die. He is one of if not the only to have some solid character development as he eventually learns to be independent and not seek validation from others all the time, but this key moment is overshadowed with how badly he got bodied a second time by Corax. His planet Monarchia was filled with people genuinely devoted to the emperor. They not just some people beaten into submission by a stronger army, but the emperor comes around, throws a hissy fit that it isn't what he wanted and humiliated the entire legion, before genociding the entire planet filled with complacent, innocent, and devoted citizens. All in front of Lorgar. Lorgar had to watch all those people he preached to about the emperor, get completely destroyed by their "savior". In the end, Lorgar was right about one thing. The people need some sort of belief system, whether it be the greater good, Imperial cult, or the chaos gods. In a universe with sadistic elves, eldritch nightmares, ancient killer robots, and demons, even a atheist with pray for protection.

[@MarkStorey-dc4tm]

In defence of "nature" also being a factor: Perturabo constantly seeing the Eye of Terrror can't have helped. Also there's his weird memory issues. On the one hand, he suddenly "remembers" how things he's just encountered work, taking away the joy of learning. On the other hand, he suddenly forgets things, like the initial events after landing on Olympia. I think the game was rigged against him before he even left his pod. Give him as nice an upbringing as you like and he had enough issues in his head to ruin it all.

[@nowhereman6019]

I used to empathize with Perturabo a lot more, feeling bitter at the world and alone. But eventually, I realized something: I was choosing to act like this. I was choosing to view the world and act in a way that led me to feeling so awful, instead of doing anything else I was doing exactly what made me miserable. Perturabo is the exact same. He may have had a hard life and grown up around people who were cold and manipulative, but he choose to continue down the path laid for him. He chose the hardest jobs and delt with them in the most brutal and uncaring way possible and complained that nobody glorified his victories. He acted liked a bitter jerk around everyone and wondered why nobody wanted to hang out with him. He allowed his anger and resentment to control him, and suffered the consequences of his actions. To quote Calliphone herself *'For a long time, I thought you a fool to follow the Emperor. After all, he is a tyrant like all the rest. Look what he has done to you, I thought. He has brutalised you, and your wars have brutalised your home. But the truth is, brother, I have followed your campaigns carefully, and I noticed a pattern that disturbed and then alarmed me. Always you do things the most difficult way, and in the most painful manner. You cultivate a martyr's complex, lurching from man to man, holding out your bleeding wrists so they might see how you hurt yourself. You brood in the shadows when all you want to do is scream, 'Look at me!' You are too arrogant to win people over through effort. You expect people to notice you there in the half-darkness, and point and shout out, 'There! There is the great Perturabo! See how he labours without complaint!' 'You came to this court as a precocious child. Your abilities were so prodigious that nobody stopped to look at what you were becoming.'*

[@SRTifiable]

Seconded (thirded? Whatever numbereded) on this already being my favorite series. On a note, I think a lot of us who have taken up tabletop gaming especially relate to this particular video because the idea of being an outcast is what led us to our respective nerdtastic hobbies. My gateway drug was Magic…but 40k and Battletech got me eventually. My personal perspective is that I had enough people who showed enough kindness to keep me from being apathetic to the world, but my particular brand of ADHD and hyper alertness brought on by spending entirely too much time being shot at really allowed some of my confirmation bias shit to take hold as I continue to be unimpressed with *gestures vaguely at the world*. And that’s why I found a therapist. Also to be better for my amazing wife (she’s super empathetic and my gloominess brings her down and I don’t want that). Also having a daughter on the way and I will do everything in my power to make sure she doesn’t go to therapy for the same reasons I did.

[@decondanieth3822]

Granted it's been awhile since I've read through any of the relevant books, but I'm pretty sure Perturabo wasn't so much of a "woe, everybody is mean to me." So much as he *felt* that way, ie he was kind of like a "nobody understands me" while actively pushing away anybody who tried to help him (and also never tried to help himself). Two parts that come to mind are like when he initially makes something for the tyrant's court-he makes a blade. He wasn't told to make a weapon or a blade, he could've made a plow or a sculpture, yet he chose not to. Another great instance was how he had so many great plans drawn up in his tower, yet never instituted any. There is NO way I can imagine anybody saying no to Perturabo if he went down and said "I want to build this magnificent bath house I just drew the plans for." He was used for war, both by others and by himself. He rejected both the concept of improving himself because he essentially wanted someone to come in and save him (and even then i doubt hed let that happen, again id liken him to an edgy teenager who essentially wants to be depressed). I mean that competition between him and his "brother" was not the only chance he had to make art (and was essentially a competition started BY him, not the brother), yet it was one of the only ones he acted on. Plus at any point he could've said hold on and build up some of his worlds, just look at Guilleman or even the Word Bearers. Had he at any point wanted to, he could've said "hold on I want to build for a little bit" and NOBODY would've told him "No"

[@barlotardy]

I never much cared for that image of the primarchs at 0:45, EXCEPT the depiction of Curze; That one is PERFECT.

[@Krasser_Crusader]

I would say that Mortarion also hits the spot in a weird way

[@tman3778]

Perturabo unironicly is the lines. "I tried so hard, and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter."

[@AlexToti]

Greek guy here to let you know that Calliope and Calliphony are basically the same! The Calli part comes from the word "kallos" (κάλλος) which means beauty. The "Ope" part in Calliope is from the ancient greek word "ops" (όψ) which means voice. "Phony" in Calliphony takes the modern version of the same word "phoni" (φωνή) so both names mean the one with the beautiful voice! Really good video as always Arthur!!

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

A troubled artist forced to be a death machine.

[@lordofdefiance8174]

I love these deep analysis videos into each primarch and how they represent like lessons. Great video man, your my favorite 40k youtuber

[@badassgibus]

Bruh hes that one guy doing all the hard work while everyone else slacks off, who deserve way more than just a thank you. If you dont feel bad for him you are one of those lazy slackers and you get off you ass at work.

[@Rivinwin]

I was the first student at my school with a fatal peanut allergy, it made me a target for bullying, it made my parents treat me differently than my siblings, and it made me untouchable by the other students as teachers were trained to be keenly aware of my health. I think it led to a huge number of interactions where I dealt with people who were completely indifferent to me as a person and only focused on my allergy, so I feel you man.

[@sethtfp2373]

I relate to Perturabo because people only seem to keep me around as long as I am useful or fun.

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

Me who knows the absolutely smallest amount of stuff about 40k "Ah yes....I understand entirely."

[@IrradiatedFist]

"Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost…" Charlie Chaplin - The Great Dictator

[@DaveMcMuffin]

I wish that Peter remained loyal. I would absolutely play loyalist iron warriors

[@Seoul_Soldier]

Perturabo is the most relatable primarch for me, and thinking about that for too long bothers me. Being raised among people who are universally indifferent to you is a hard thing to get passed, and oddly enough thinking about Perturabo helps keep me from becoming like him.

[@SamuraiMujuru]

The first "in depth" thing I ever read about ole Peter Turbo was his perspective chapter in The End & The Death part 3, and this take honestly fits perfectly with my read and understanding of the character from it. He clearly knows his own flaws and understands how to take measures to minimize collateral damage because he also knows he can't control it. I personally have the dubious pleasure of a cocktail of ADHD, major depressive disorder, and panic disorder (that I know of. Could well be more) and I was utterly shocked how sympathetic and relateable he was just from that one single chapter.

[@jacksonwyatt4512]

Ever since I learned about his origins, I always felt bad for him. All he wanted was to build and fix things on Olympia, but he was forced to fight.

[@RSBurgener]

The great dream of my life was to become an artist. My family supported me, but many of my peers had parents that weren't supportive. And let me tell you that truly fucks a person up. The fact that Damokos denigrated Perturabo's amazing works of art, called them his "follies", then demanded that Perturabo love him was a *major* factor in this character. I feel like nobody really noticed how huge that was. It takes someone with personal experience on the matter to point that out. They'll say Perturabo is petulant, that he's a man child, that he's petty. No, no. DAMOKOS was the adult. Forging that relationship was *his* responsibility. He damaged Perturabo's attitude towards his own work and denied him the opportunity to put it to positive use. Then the Emperor continued this practice, whether he knew it or not. He certainly didn't do much, if anything, to mend Perturabo's soul. He put brain-damaged Angron out into the galaxy and he left Perturabo the way he found him. I know time was of the essence in the Great Crusade and all, but I think The Emperor allowed the wound in Perturabo's heart to just fester and fester. He treated his well adjusted Primarchs like sons and he treated the damaged ones like weapons. I was encouraged to pursue my dream, but I have never truly found a proper place for it in the world. No matter how much I tried, it hasn't gotten the recognition I feel it deserves. And yet, I have seen work that was much less thought-provoking than mine see great success. That has done a huge number on my mental health. But I'm glad I gave it a shot. I cannot imagine what I would be like if my family had sabotaged my art.

[@Madchefred]

A "folly" isn't a bad thing, it's an architectural focus of a garden. A beautiful thing built for no other reason than to be beautiful. Calling what Turbo Pete's drawings follies shows Damon's thinks they're beautiful and worthy of existing for no other reason than because of that beauty. Turbo Pete gets upset because their functionality isn't immediately commented on and praised. He doesn't hear the "Holy fuck that is so beautiful I can not believe it is also practical and utilitarian", he only hears "I can not believe it is practical and utilitarian". It is a subtle difference and requires an understanding of 19th century English manor houses and archaic language to pick up on, which is a GW trait as the company was built by over educated, British needs. See also: every classical reference in every second piece of lore.

[@fakechemicals]

"...and thus he keeps treating people like garbage himself." Garbage within, garbage without.

[@Lobsterist]

Kindness is not the lesson of the Lord of iron. It is responsibility. He couldn't take the responsibility of failures or setbacks. It was his inability to handle the shame of failure. Dantioch is a great example of the will of iron. It's almost said explicitly that dantioch succeeded in holding to the will of iron where the primarch failed. Not because of kindness, but because he accepts responsibility.

[@facundopedrozo582]

Hi! Your primarch videos are awesome! I love how you talk from a phychological & philosophical pov. Not only a very good unique take for 40k, every single video is way too good, each one is introspective and eye-opener both for the franchise and in real life. The "each bad decision is a step on a ladder and the longer you go up the hardest it is to set things right because the more you fall the more it will hurt" from this video is sublime (sorry but I will steal it for myself). That one and "to be determined but also flexible" from the Rogal Dorn video are my favorites, those advices have actually helped me in real life (actually all of them but those two are my favourites). Please keep doing a great job! Cant wait for the rest!!

[@clearlypellucid]

A Perturabo redemption arc where he's the first person to ever come back from being a demon would be pretty epic.

[@Nyctophora]

Thank you, that was insightful and it's good to see someone who understands Perturabo. I would add though that one of the first things we see him do is find a child being attacked by some beast and instead of helping, which he could easily have done. he lets the beast kill the child, studies what it does and only then does he kill it. That the adults around then immediately try to exploit him for gain sucks, and sets the mood for his life, but his first action doesn't make him entirely a wronged kind man. He didn't kill Calliphone by accident. He killed her because she told him something he didn't want to hear. The absolute heartbreak when he found out that his Legion had done exactly what he asked, and torched Olympia - that none of them (as far as he knew) had even thought to disobey him, was for me one of the saddest parts of the whole Heresy. I submit to the jury that although Pert found the role easy, in the end he didn't want to be an arsehole.

[@NightLordShadow]

THE IRON MAN

[@thequietman5934]

An excerpt from Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. "It is true, we shall be monsters, cut off from all the world; but on that account we shall be more attached to one another. I have love in me the likes of which you can scarcely imagine and rage the likes of which you would not believe. If I cannot satisfy the one, I will indulge the other." Sums up Perturabo I think.

[@saintsrecruit]

If you are describing perturabo as a learning lesson, you should mention that his downfall is not asking for support. He would have done well ever he reached out for support from big e or other primarchs. He never asked. That might be a projection but for me, im going to do it. Hope this lesson hits others too

[@mitab1]

Honestly I see Perturabo as a tale of what happens to men who suffer in silence, who were raised to produce results, and only that, when I look at him I see a boy raised as a tool and told to shut up, forget his dreams and keep working, he’s someone who gets the job done, even if he hates it, if the emperor showed Perty kindness and admiration for who he is not what he offers he would have stayed loyal, if the emperor allowed perty to rebuild the worlds he took as he sees fit he would have died for the emperor

[@saintsrecruit]

If only the horus heresy hadn't occurred, Perty could have made it to his ultimate purpose

[@supsup335]

Lets be honest, if treated kindly, purty and angron might have been the kindest, helpful, empathetic and noble of all the primarcs. Instead we got petulance and damaged goods.

[@thatotherguy8138]

I don't think Perturabo would have been well adjusted without heavy, HEAVY effort from a young age - he's got that "Autism - and not just the good kind" baked into the character. And the nature of the Crusade made it impossible for him to focus on anything else - there was no time to let him set up an agrarian world to be as efficient as humanly possible, or to create a perfect Hive city, or the like. Once one Compliance was finished, it was off to the next one, and again, and again. No, Perturabo could never flourish under the Imperium and Emperor. He was always destined to fall, and be broken by it.

[@marioernestohernandezgarci3804]

I always imagine the Iron Warriors exited to see their dad, only for Perturabo to appear and start screaming the LTG speech to conclude and say : "As a matter of fact, get that ass decimated" 😂😂😂

[@jonathanathor117]

6:09 so peturabo is basically forge from the x men but irredeemable and has a war machine style hulk buster armor.

[@Ballagorn_Ironblood]

We can pin point with 100% accuracy what made Peturabo so nasty coocoo head, as when he was climbing on a clif during rein storm he expirience something we can call "storm of knowlage" clearing his memmories to that poin clean (something like 5 to 6 years of life) and made Parturabo to see constantly the Eye of Terror, constanly judging and mocking him for every decition. As before that he was completly different person

[@I_am-lost.]

Pertuarbo would have stayed loyal if he did the things he was complaining he "couldn't" do. But imo the most important person to fail him, is himself

[@daverage4729]

Excellent video! Out of any of the Primarchs, the one we'd all love to get a redemption arc (aside with Magnus) would be Perty. Poor guy just needed a hug...although not like the one the messenger got...yikes!

[@smegid586]

An unspiked Angron could've been a solid therapist for all the primarchs i think. Thats assuming he doesnt get overwhelmed by their anguish himself.

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

this one of the main reasons I love 40k yes I get massive battles but we have such a fun deep psychological themes that are fun

[@pedromunoz7144]

And then Fulgrim goofed on him pretending to be his friend

[@pentacosttb2565]

Pertarabo was on constrained by his own love of being a victim. He was a god damn Primarch. He was told by his adoptive father that he could have made things that were not for war if he wanted to. His own adoptive brother was allowed to be an artist. Only Pertarabo claimed he had to be a weapon or a general, or that his father forced that on him (as if a mere mortal could force a Primarch to do ANYTHING if he didn’t want to). Same with his decisions to take all the worst assignments and to never improve the lives of the people on the planets he conquered. Every other legion and Primarch chose their battles, turned things down and went about their business as they chose. The IF’s didn’t just conquer and move on, they fortified and made great, beautiful restorations and new public works before leaving entirely. Magnus, Vulkan, Fulgrim and Guilliman all made sure they left a world better than they found it. Pertarabo was just naturally an arsehole. If you swapped Angron and Pertarabo, Angron would have been a Thesius like mythical hero, uniting the people of Olympia and elevating them to be more than they had been previously, while Pertarabo would not have been given the nails, because he never would have refused to kill his mentor/father figure. And then he’d be bitter about how much better Angron had it because he landed on a paradise world like Olympia.

[@gabrieljusti1322]

This hits kind of hard, as someone who has been to some bad places mentaly and as someone who had people around that you saw as those who should care just disregard you or abuse that perception

[@sciencefan15]

I’d say that was one of the focus on the morale of kindness in this video, using Perturavo as a case example over exploring his life. There were many examples of misinformation or under representation of how he fell from who was to what he became in the relationship around him, Not to mention his abilities being able to see terror from planet side having an effect Or having a conversation with one of the Primark and opening up,

[@matthewb2193]

I've been going through your Primarch playlist, and I haven't read many Warhammer 40K books. So, you are fleshing the Primarchs out for me more than I expected.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

Two things on Perturabo: Firstly is that He was not shown much kindness. The second is that he did not put forth the effort or time to really understand other. There absolutely was indifference as malice in his childhood, but he made the mistake of assigning malice to things that can be ascribed to incompetency.

[@Book_worm.75]

If only perturabo called communicate better. I do understand him because I was once super awkward as an anime and game loving kid thus I had bad communication skills. Always been angry and dying inside because of these feelings but all I had to do was find someone to talk to and I became a much better person. Super happy and grateful for that person for seeing past my awkwardness and just listened to me

[@noodlesushi111]

i appreciate what you do for these videos about the primarchs. you've done their stories justice and portrayed them in such a way we can perceive them as flawed human beings (esp. perty here). im a casual fan of 40k and i get most of my knowledge from content creators and it's refreshing you're talking about these characters in a fair light instead of the casual memery content creators do.

[@jiado6893]

7:29 Perturabo would kill you immediately for your apology.

[@fishpop]

1:46 In fairness he didn't shoot the messenger; he crushed him :P

[@PrimusoftheHivecult11]

Iron within iron without. There's only a few videos out there that REALLY analyze the primarch and his legion genuinely. Im so glad that this was one of them.

[@Mrnobody-mo2pe]

Arthur, great upload! Whatever the frack you call these things.. I really liked you're honesty towards the end, the human element trying to explain the human element within a superhuman fictional character

[@sorrisal1100]

I've been an warhammer 40k fan for roughly 2/3 years, i'v watched plenty of videos, looked at a lot of wikis, read a bunch of lore (both canon, homebrew and fan-made lore such as dornian heresy) and i never seen someone analyze primarchs as humans, as real people, only analyzing them by the mistakes they made, their flanderization. Loved your fulgrim video, and i loved this one even more.

[@almighty_cthulhu]

I hope it's not too late, I'm not sure how you make these videos. Please do not feel the need to weigh in on the Custodes debate. I'm not a member of your patreon or whatever the youtube equivalent is, but I have been following you since you've had a little more than a thousand subs. By no means do I expect to restrain your creative experience or assume to speak for the community. I was so happy to see my roided spaceguy escapism not drag me into real life stuff this saturday morning. I've got a lot going on and really needed it. I think it's all the more important that the theme of the video is kindness (or lack thereof) while everything is going on in the community at large. I just wanted to let you know that one of us is ok if you don't want to chase this trend. Plus, Perty is my dude. So, thank you.

[@chrisburton452]

Best video you’ve done to date .well done sir

[@blakeriley8546]

I too relate to ole perty in a lot of ways

[@Bloodletter8]

They seriously should have sent a servitor to tell Pete about Olympia rebelling. It makes me wonder if they hated that messenger in particular.

[@jamesdeek7039]

He is bitter and mean, he's also human, and big brain, and fun character

[@safetyaniekwe]

Iron Within, Iron Without 😢

[@BishamonS]

It’s really cool to hear a Charlie Chaplin quote in a Warhammer video. And it’s also probably one of the best monologues ever given

[@inductivegrunt94]

Perturabo is really a victim of circumstance. If he had been with Vulkan more, one who could appreciate him and his works, maybe he could have stayed loyal. And a loyal Perturabo would be a force to be reckoned with.

[@23ADJ93]

More of stuff like this and like fulgrim where you get into the psychological and personal stuff. This is some of your best content.

[@Dragonagegearsofhalo]

I feel you on the constant moving...military family and I think it gave me a very deep loneliness that makes it incredibly hard to be alone for very long and hard to let go of people even if they were toxic or manipulative. It feels comforting and sad to see others that understand

[@Skeletonk]

I know it was unintentional but I found how many panning shots starting at perty's balls going up you did very funny

[@richardnorton3453]

Perturabo's path reminds me a lot of Vader's: the Tragic villain. Probably why I relate so well to both of them.

[@worldeater2414]

For one, I am excited for you to do my primarch because obviously I am. But speaking about Pert for a moment I find the man to be childish and not necessarily in a bad way, all the primarchs are man children technically. But Pert seems to have this issue where he can't get over himself, and yes I have read his books which were good. More than alot of the primarchs Pert always seemed to be his own foil which he blamed on those around him, which in a way I feel is a commentary on those people who can't move past whatever childhood trauma they had and blame every failure on their parents to the point of ruination. Which kind of fits Pert imo, he is the kid who acts cold but wants everyone to pity him just like his sister said before he snapped her neck.

[@hawkxrussianx8601]

Hey Arthur! Just wanted to say you’ve very quickly become one of the best lorehammer creators on this platform. My favorite most definitely. And it’s awesome watching your channel grow. Keep doing what you do!

[@vortex_1336]

If the Emperor had just said to Perturabo "Hey, I know you tend to get the jobs that aren't glamorous but they're necessary to our victory. I appreciate that you do it.", he would have never rebelled.