Who are the Iron Warriors? | 40k Lore.

[@WingedDynamite]

Peter Turbo epitomizes the phrase: "A hard life doesnt make you hard, it makes you brittle."

[@CAMSLAYER13]

The hardest objects usually are quite brittle

[@SamraK64]

@@CAMSLAYER13 Yet emphasizing one of those traits in that sentence is meaningful

[@InVinoVeratas]

He always seemed insecure though, even when he had most things handed to him by his adopted father, he never trusted him, even when his stepfather attempted to just talk to him, would always be received with bitterness and hostility. I get the guy was a tyrant, but he wasn't one to Peter Tuberculosis. Also, though his step daddy did see Peter as a resource, it was vice versa. Peter Thompson also used him as a resource for his intellectual pursuits.

[@fluffly3606]

@@CAMSLAYER13, They also fail easily to certain types of stress, and fail spectacularly.

[@Random_Iron_warrior]

Eh maybe kurse is more exemplary of that

[@saltyshackles5227]

Perty is probably the only Chaos Primarch that could find a way to break away from Chaos & have his own rebel Empire.

[@TheBoneZone40k]

yeah! It would be interesting I will say. I do think it's a theory that goes out the window if GW ends up saying "lol no he a daemon now" but I would like a secessionist faction in the game

[@saltyshackles5227]

@@TheBoneZone40k Yes, hopefully it is reconned. It doesn't match his personality.

[@mrspeigel3593]

@@TheBoneZone40k they've said he s a daemon prince , but that's never set well with me..but there's a strong argument to be made that the Primarchs are all effectively non aligned daemon princes shoved inside of alchemical superman bodies.

[@backflipjanuary2891]

Conrad did it for a few centuries before getting his.

[@akumaking1]

@@TheBoneZone40kcould Perty analyze and understand Necron tech?

[@mcchicken1849]

As an Iron Warriors fan, that smiling face of Peter Turbo is what I live for. Thank you.

[@totalnerd5674]

I wonder, what do you think about the possibility of their redemption? As far as Traitor legions go, they did sort of help the Imperium once during the War of the Beast, I think...

[@Xusmos]

I just want to see good ol' Pete smile once

[@mcchicken1849]

@@totalnerd5674 I know next to nothing about the War of the Beast so can't tell you much there. As far as the Iron Warriors themselves go, it would never happen both in and out of universe. They are far to bitter and stubborn to ever turn coat back to the Imperium and the Imperium would never take them back. If they did though, with Perturabo, the Imperium would have one of it's greatest legions and most intelligent Primarchs return. With all the knowledge he has on technology, as well as how to mass produce Astartes, he'd be able to stop the technological decay the Imperium suffers, and be able to drastically increase the number of Astartes throughout the galaxy. His legion having access to untainted geneseed from Terras gene vaults would mean they can begin mass producing Iron Warriors, pure blooded ones might I add. The IVth Legion was amongst the strongest of all the legions, with their return the Imperium would be far stronger. I am biased of course.

[@mcchicken1849]

@@Xusmos Same. 😔

[@aethewulf4787]

Im not fan of retcons,but i hope they will retcon him becoming demon prince. also his quotes to Angron ‘Your strength flees,’ roared Perturabo. ‘It does not belong to you. It is your master’s, and the chain that keeps you throttles you. The threads of blood are thinning. The meal of slaughter will only keep you here long enough to see your bastard sons die.’ He hates Chaos and slavery to it.

[@aethewulf4787]

"you were born slave you will die slave."

[@flavortownfanatic7280]

I agree, however his problem was with being enslaved by a chaos god. If he were somehow able to turn him self into a Daemon Prince through warp fuckery then I think it'd be pretty sick. I don't know how he'd do it but I think that the process involves removing part of your soul and replacing it with warp energy and there is warp energy that isn't connected to the chaos gods.

[@demonic_myst4503]

He isnt tho thats been established chaos undevided leagions are not enslaved to any the gods And the iron warriors are the only legion that have many obliterators join and obliterators refuse to be loyal to any soecific god infact the first obliterator was a demon that possessed a iron warrior that demon was a korn demon that had escaped korns control The iron warriors are not enslaved to the chaos gods They just use chaos as a hide out

[@alastor8091]

​​@@flavortownfanatic7280 he pledges to Vashtorr, betrays him, whoops his ass, and comes back as the 5th (6th?) Chaos God. Pretends to be the slave, becomes the master.

[@guygod217]

​@@alastor8091 sometimes it feels like Vashtor exists only to get Perturabo as a daemon primarch

[@williammiller4768]

This is, what most miss is that Pert was born as smart as he ever would be. He knew everything. At a glance. He outpaced everyone. As a child. He never knew what wonder was. He didn’t “discover.” Anything. He already knew how to deconstruct everything. He was so hyper aware he figured out he was constructed, not born. He felt The Warp looking at him. Always. He didn’t “get” friendship. He didn’t “get” social skills. There was only use and benefit. That was and still was the frame by which he saw life. It’s like if you tell a kid he’s dumb over and over again and he knows damn well he’s not but he realizes you’re not gonna stop telling him he is so he just accepts it and hates your guts the entire way because of it. Because he knows what he wants to do but he also knows you won’t ever let him do it. So the hate grows into Iron.

[@demonic_myst4503]

This also why his legion had the apolakron he taught some his sons to build automata

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

That last bit about about calling a child dumb and growing hateful suddenly makes me realize why I like the iron warriors so much, didn’t get called dumb but did get told I’d never amount to much. Told the last teacher who told me that “hey at least I won’t end up a high school teacher then” didn’t even do what she thought I did, turns out it was my best friend who passed the other week.

[@brianpembrook9164]

Mom: "Do you know why it is your fault? Because you're male." Iron Within, Iron Without... such a tragedy...

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

Sounds like we all had a similar upbringing It's what makes him nit inly relatable, but real. It's _us..._

[@nicholas3478]

Perturabo has the best meme name. Roundabout Geigercounter might have the most nicknames but Peter Turbo will never be beat.

[@nimak7633]

literally unchanging as always

[@sars910]

It's a quality vs quantity situation.

[@totalnerd5674]

Wow guys, this is funnier than when I sang "Bird is the Word" at the Iron Cage! Nyeheheehehehhe!

[@Deadmmann]

Rowboat Gorillaman

[@Kruglov762]

Run away gunnerman

[@RSBurgener]

Perturabo is my favorite Primarch, so I've done a good amount of reading and re-reading of their lore. I think it's difficult to separate Perturabo's reputation from the reality of his behavior. He didn't get along well with his brothers and was only close with one of them, insofar as I can tell. So I think there were a lot of whispers behind his back. Also, the Iron Warriors fought in a very different great Crusade than his brothers did. He intentionally took on the most difficult endeavors. So the casualties the Iron Warriors sustained might not be comparable with what was happening in other Legions. I think everyone; Perturabo, his brothers, the Emperor, everyone, assumed the Lord of Iron was unbreakable. But in fact he was far more susceptible to mental health issues than anyone would've thought, much of which was suffered before the Emperor ever landed on Olympia. I think Perturabo was traumatized by the Great Crusade, especially with the Hrud, and he just snapped. There was no room in his worldview for getting help. And that's really tragic. I think if he'd had some time with Sanguinius, Perturabo might well have been redeemed.

[@TheBoneZone40k]

Yeah! I find it's too reductionist to simply say "himb bitter" everything I read about Perturabo is very much around him doing too much to try and prove his worth to others, rather than just prove his worth to himself Someone in the comments said "perty chose to work harder not smarter" and they weren't wrong.

[@RSBurgener]

@@TheBoneZone40k I think Perturabo is a cautionary tale about the external locus of control. It's dangerous to care so much about how others see you. Plus there's that loomimg Eye of Terror in the sky. How can you stay sane with that thimg up there, especially if you tell no one?! In the end it's fiction written really subjectively, right? I enjoyed your take on the whole thing and thanks for giving it a look. I feel like GW worked really hard on this only to leave it unfinished in 40k. I hope they bring Perturabo up to date at some point.

[@justinheads5751]

@@TheBoneZone40k The bitterness (and other things as well, but bitterness playing a role) is what caused all those other things, which are symptoms of his bitterness, which is an inexorable and indelible outplaying of his garbage worldview and upbringing.

[@greldikvaskupalah2009]

@@TheBoneZone40k and like, even if someone praised him, I get the distinct impression that he'd have no idea how to process it other than that they were mocking him in some way, which would just make him angrier.

[@Eta_Carinae__]

I have a theory that Perturabo had a pretty good relationship with Vulkan at some point in the Great Crusade, but fell out with him for some reason that might have had to do with some unwavering commitment he had.

[@HooDooBrown]

Pertaurabo is the epitome of work smarter not harder. Except he swapped smarter and harder. He is honestly his own worst enemy and put his faith in a group that used him, Horus not the Emperor. He never bothered to talk to the Big E. He just assumed all that came from Horus was from Big E. However as he learned when they were losing that he was the only competent one in the heresy. To think, if he just aired his grievances to Malcador or the Emperor something would of been done.

[@iloveplayingpr]

Imagine how destroyed the traitor Legions would be had Perturabo stayed loyal.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Everyone used him horus the wmperor his own adoptive “father” thats why he owes no one any loyalty now days

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

@@iloveplayingpr having royal door and Peter turbo being your enemy in a siege sounds like a true nightmare. The death guard wouldn’t even put up with that.

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

@@demonic_myst4503 90% of his complaints are self inflicted with big E

[@henrypaleveda7760]

@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus facts

[@jonahbrenner5597]

I love that little part in the lore when during the heresy while every one was gearing up to assault terra, Peter turbo was sent to drag angron back to the war and when he found him and the world eater he beat their asses like he first order a bombing on the world eaters then sent his troops in with shields and guns plus hammer to deny them blood while also beat angron with his hammer while saying “ you started as a slave and a slave you will always remain” not accurate quote but pretty close.

[@WhenGoatsWentBaa]

@@dominicmarazita8103 I'm a little late, but I think he just meant that quote wasn't word for word with what was actually written in the book (basically he was just saying he's paraphrasing)

[@joelkurowski7129]

2:40 The word 'Tyrant' was originally not meant to be pejorative. In ancient Greece, it just meant someone who came to power by unconventional means. You could see them as a despot, but it wasn't meant to be a slur. Over the course of Greek and Roman history it eventually developed that meaning, however.

[@totalnerd5674]

I believe that in Greece it was meant to be someone who gained power illegally, but in many cases tyrants were seen as heroes by the people (could be confusing with the ancient definition of "Dictator")

[@joelkurowski7129]

@totalNERD you know it's funny, I just looked up the history and yours is a lot closer to it. It was originally somebody who gains power by unconventional means and had nothing to do with ethics. This part I had mostly correct. However, I was conflating it with the overthrow of the Roman monarchy, that's what I got wrong.

[@ivanquarman01]

The lottery thing was a greek/roman a thing called decimation, where if a troop was humilliated or something the army would be reduced by a 10th. Its how the emporer inspired his troops to do better against sparticus.

[@ironduke5058]

It was a severe punishment though. Only happened a few times in Rome's entire history.

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

It was a Roman punishment to battle poor morale and general insubordination Although his homework lore was mostly "Greek Cities" they melded this one Roman thing onto him for character reasons If Guilliman did this, well, it simply wouldn't fly with the lore, or the fans

[@CMTechnica]

“Inspire” /s

[@Rubicon373]

My favorite Chaos Legion, They carried the Hersey by them selves, Horus wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Peter Turbo and his bois. But I Always wondered what would have happened if they stayed loyal.

[@Lmao4U]

Well Death guard also put in a lot of work

[@henrypaleveda7760]

loyaist victory, possibly a loyal legion with a traitor/martyred pirmarch?

[@Random_Iron_warrior]

Us and the death guard hard carried the ENTIRE siege of terra

[@Gelugladius]

As much as the White Scars are my favorite legion/chapter, the Iron Warriors are the ones to whom I relate the most. They're monsters born out of misunderstanding, under-appreciation, and dehumanization. It doesn't excuse their actions, but you sure feel sorry for them after seeing all that they went through.

[@samhain409]

Absolutely why I love him. He seems the most genuinely humanely flawed and more relatable because of it. But going alittle deeper with this, it’s also an allegory on the effects of proper parenting, nurturing and upbringing. Peturabo is Dorns dark mirror in more than just legion tactics. Even their development stories are the same. Dorn lands on a planet and is adopted by its ruler. He grows up being heralded and praised by his father and the planets people. This remains the same for after being found by the emperor and entering the crusade. Peturabo is found by a planets ruler and immediately him and the rest of the planet think how can we make use of this thing. He makes them beautiful works of art and they denigrate him for not using his talents to make engines of war. He finally gives up and becomes his fathers attack dog. And once again after being found by the emperor and joining the crusade as much as he hoped things would be different found out they much the same again. So these two rivals when you look at it are an example of the nature/nurture we saw in people in the real world. You can put the same child prodigy in different environments with different upbringings and see very different results. On one hand with a nurturing family and an Ivey league school you get a Genius and in the broken and abusive home you get Edmund Kemper. Wow. Now that I say that there are a lot of parallels between Perty and Kemper..

[@dagon99]

​@@samhain409well put

[@cl34ve]

​@@samhain409and remember, your first known memory is climbing up a cliff and then staring into the eye of terror, then finding out no one you ask knows about it. You've also unlocked your primarch knowledge from the start and basically cannot fail. Have fun learning to take criticism.

[@AlphaOmegon]

Also Perturabos primarch power is seeing the eye of terror at all times, which fucks him up more.

[@demonic_myst4503]

And his second power eas his tech knolledge he could make perfect things but too perfect he crafter the perfect sculpture but it was so design perfect that it lacked creativity and beauty its perfect nit in beauty but in eficient build he also could repair and build machines that he should have no knolledge of

[@leonidaspereirafilho499]

What the hell do you mean??)

[@LovelyCenturibear]

He goes "the fuck you looking at??!!" and gets no response. Poor Peter Turbo 😢

[@tyrannosaurusimperator]

​@@leonidaspereirafilho499No matter where he was in the galaxy, if he looked up in the sky in the proper direction, he could see the eye of terror.

[@leonidaspereirafilho499]

@@tyrannosaurusimperator I have never seen this before, that`s fucking weird.

[@CelticPheonix101]

Part of the cutting-off-Chaosy-bits and replacing them with augmetics isn’t about the surety of steel, it’s because *fuck Chaos*. As I’m given to understand, Perty basically hates Chaos only marginally less than he hates the Imperium, and considers Daemonhood to be slavery (see his speech when he beats the shit out of Angron, and what he did to the Plague Marines that showed up to offer him Princedom under Nurgle). They don’t see them as “gifts” but as unwanted mutations, so they remove them as you would a tumour. Given they’re the most cohesive and functional traitor legion, I’d say the practice, if not the *attitude*, is working out for them. Frankly, as a tangent, given we know what he dreamed of, it wouldn’t be too far out of character for him to strike out alone, to build a genuinely utopian civilisation, purely out of sheer *spite*. “Fuck you, Dad, your Imperium is a hellhole and you’re a rotting corpse, but MY kingdom is perfect! Could your precious palace-building *Dorn* do that?!” We know he has the plans already drawn up to do so, the technological prowess to pull it off, and the siege/fortifications expertise to defend it. Would be hilarious. Funniest shit I’ve ever seen.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Not all demons they like obliterators

[@greldikvaskupalah2009]

@@demonic_myst4503 I think they _tolerate_ obliterators. But yeah, they were thoroughly disgusted by the corruption they saw in the Emperor's Children post Lehr blade.

[@demonic_myst4503]

@@greldikvaskupalah2009 they like obliterators they the only legion that is stated in lore to be allied to the obliterator clan its stated obliterators are not officialy aosrt any the chaos factions and act as mercinery for most but have a sort of alliance with the iron warriors which lesds to more than average numbers found amongst the iron warriors This is due to the fact porturabo helped birth the first obliterator and the first obliterator was a iron warrior and is apart of the legion

[@Roark787]

Their still removing bits of their human form each time they do that. I honestly think that chaos is insidious enough to do this on purpose and this is the intention. The Iron Warriors think their getting a one up on chaos by doing this when their really just cutting off their noses to spite their face.

[@CelticPheonix101]

@@Roark787 They’re not doing that any more than the Iron Hands or Mechanicum are, by that logic. The human form has no real transcendental properties, beyond what the Imperial Cult *believes* it to have - and they’re explicitly wrong about so much else, why trust them on this one, lol?

[@graefx]

I've always felt Perty was the most sympathetic of the traitors. He didn't stand a chance. He's the neurodivergent creative kid that just wants to sit in the corner and make stuff. And he just went through shit constantly.

[@demonic_myst4503]

A ept he wasnt creative he was born basicly smarter than all themprimarchs when comes to science , he could build and deconstruct any technology He like a living stc and apart his legion without any lore on how learned to create automata that rival the legion cybernetica most likely he taught his sons to build automata just because he was born with the knolledge on it He was proven not to be creative in his novel when he is in a sculpting contest he made the oerfectly designed model sculpture scientificaly but his brither made one that was cretive and beautyful he was ao mad when he lost because by all inteleect his design was perfect but it was so robotic no one liked it

[@WhenGoatsWentBaa]

As a kind of interesting note, Perturabo was also easily a match for Guilliman in terms of logistics skills. The Iron Warriors had probably the worst casualty rates of any space marine legion during the crusade due to them constantly being deployed to sieges and slog battles, but they still maintained some of the highest numbers because of how fast they could recruit, train and equip new space marines.

[@beefyblom]

This is also due to their extremely low gene-seed rejection rates, meaning that fewer aspirants would die in the process of becoming Astartes.

[@Ghost3210]

Perturabo, just like Curze and Mortarion, is one of those Primarchs that really had the biggest seed for greatness in them. With his genius and effectiveness he could have solved many problems of the imperium, if given the proper guidance and freedom by the Emperor.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

even if he just hung out with guimliman for a bit an dlistened or talked shop (supplies) then i think Perturabo would have been much better off for it.

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

If angron hadn't landed on his head and got the butchers nails, he would've healed all of them

[@The_Rage_Kage]

"Perturabo is a whiny psychopath. With zero redeeming human qualities." -Lion 'El Johnson

[@benjaminkirkley6730]

Iron Warriors ARE loyal. The emperor commanded to follow Horus as if they followed him. The Emperor didn't have the foresight to see what his decree would make. Iron within, Iron without.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Loyal to the imperiam not to the emperor porturabo honestly made his first ever real laps in judgment believeing horus would be better than the emperor porturabo believed horusnti be the mist honourable man he met thats why he followed him he also blames chaos for horus turning insane before his death one reason he dislikes the chaos gods

[@Adorni]

Bear in mind, Peter Turbo was very adamant about refusing the terms “Loyalist” and “Traitor;” to him, you were either a winner, or a loser. To do otherwise was not only illogical, but kind of insulting

[@maew150]

Idea. Perty sacrificed the IF gene seed to cure himself finally of whatever curse he got thanks to fulgrim. Then uses his own mastery of tech and enslavement of the warp and daemons to make himself a self made daemon prince by learning how to bring himself back to life after death via science and warp rituals and then enhanced himself physically by being the UR obliterator. A walking metal Fortress of guns and cannons. The old lore of him being a daemon prince of chaos undivided in spite of how at odds that is with his most recent characterization being in fact misinformation or bad intel on the end of the Inquisition and other traitor legions. It helps reconciling the old lore with something more true to Perty's nature.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Iron warriors have been exsperimenting with technovirus since the heresy and porturabo was there at the birth of the first obliterator he even welcomed it into his oegion so im sure they could made h8m into a powerful obliterator demon lord

[@ravenwhiteduck3158]

I am totally down for something like that, I remember him asking questions to a word bearer about how to make offerings to the warp

[@Zahaqiel]

I think the word you're looking for is "inflexible". Peter-turbo's ideals were _inflexible._ The Iron Warriors are _inflexible._

[@HBon111]

The HH series seems to bounce around different versions on him depending on the writer. But one thing is for certain: He's my little maldy boy, and I love him.

[@HBon111]

But I will die on the hill that him decimating his legion upon meeting them for the first time is one of the STUPIDEST things ever written into the 40K lore.

[@revolverDOOMGUY]

12:24 "They might be really good at what they are doing but they are definitely not enjoying it" is by far the best way to describe the Iron Warriors in a nutshell i have ever seen.

[@GasolineBoots]

You are consistently putting out excellent content. And you’re putting it out at a fast pace. Pretty impressive. Ive been trying to like and comment on all your videos so the Gods of Algorithm will smile upon you. Keep up the great work.

[@skyrimn00b98]

It would have been worth mentioning his love of architecture and building. He had great plans to build wonderful things after the crusade, but he was depressed because people only even saw him as a weapon, a destroyer. Source: Angel Exterminatous

[@colinsullivan3687]

I always see people debate on the idea of Perturabo being a daemon. I always had this theory that the chaos gods did it as their equivalent of a really cruel joke. He's (not by choice) chaos undivided, so good luck on all of them getting together to make him do something; However, them turning him into a daemon would make sense as people forget the chaos gods don't care about anyone (outside of Nurgle in a caring but sadistic fashion) and see the traitor primarchs as their playthings and anyone beneath them usually as cannon fodder and food. Angron was transformed against his will by Khorne and Lorgar. Fulgrim was corrupted by possession and was too broken when he got his body and mind back to be blamed. Magnus was tricked by Tzeentch. Mortarion was forced after hours of suffering in Nurgle's Garden to accept his fate. Lorgar is really the only one who chose to be a daemon prince of his own 100% free will.

[@fishyboy2140]

Mortarion had to watch his sons basically melt and explode into a bunch of Bloat flies as big as a human thigh. And he couldn’t do anything about it. He was also afflicted with it but couldn’t die since his primarch powers kept him alive.

[@zachgleason]

Fun fact, that whole, 1/10th of the soldiers having to draw a chance to be beaten to death by their fellow astartes was actually a real punishment used by Generals in ancient Rome. It was called decimation. Roman legions who failed would have to draw straws and whoever drew the short straw would be beaten to death by their fellow soldiers. I believe Crassus, Julius Caesar and Marc Antony all enacted decimation to their legions at one point or another.

[@LJD442]

I kind of like the idea of him being somewhere between him making badass armor and the demon thing. Like he ascended to demonhood and forged this badass suit of armor making him the Iron Demon .

[@quack9355]

Just like Bricky said on the Iron Warriors. "They joined the Chaos Gods because FUCK.YOU."

[@demonic_myst4503]

Not really tho they jo8ned horus because they believed horus was the best option for ruling the imperiam as perty believed horus was the best guy he met he also blames chaos for corupting horus

[@robbybeckmeyer828]

I WILL be quoting you on that 10% figure because...well you're completely right 👍 Decimation literally means a reduction by 1/10

[@Chadicus-Guardsmanicus]

Paranoia and fear was what truly damned Perturabo. He refused genuine attempts by his adopted family, legion and brothers to bond because he feared being used. He feared mockery and being seen as weak so he never voiced his displeasure at how his legion was treated. He feared being judged so he never shared his passions or opinions. And he mainly joined Horus because he feared that the emperor would judge him for destroying his world.

[@thekingmoose8004]

honestly my main intro to the Iron Warriors post heresy was the book Storm of Iron. Damn bro the way the IW found out the range and accuracy of the Imperial defenders guns is pretty horrific, so what the IW did was they had recently taken a space port and had taken a few thousand prisoners, imperial guard mostly, and then the IW sent the POW's out into the enemy fortifications where most of them died and the few who scrambled back were gunned down by the IW including a not quite yet Warsmith Honsu. The Imperial gunners were then shown celebrating the fact that they had just thrown off the first wave of the enemy attack until someine saw that the IW were gunning the attackers down then the gunner (who had made a game of killing the POW's and had won said game) realized that they were the prisoners from the space port. Honestly this entire moment was a big win for the IW they got rid of the need to keep unnecessary prisoners who could be in a position to cause chaos in the IW camp and rebel, they learned about the enemies firing patterns, range and accuracy of the IG guns. To rub further salt in the wound the IW dealt blows to the IG morale and bought more time for the main IW forces to fortify the space port and bring in the big guns of chaos.

[@ChimneyJuice]

Ive read that book twice and anything to do with Honsou.

[@gringolikeme3564]

I both love and hate Perturabo. I think the line "the lie of a higher purpose" really encapsulates him he really wanted his legion and the things he built to be more than just war machines. that moment in angel exterminatus when fulgrim and perturabo walk through perturabos wildest dreams was sad

[@CAMSLAYER13]

I've not finished them all yet but so far his is the best primarch book. You actually get to see events in his life past some random war.

[@bladestormviking]

for what it's worth, Horus called Night Haunter AND I QUOTE a "...moody bastard..."

[@ianyoder2537]

Want some help with the historical references? Historically speaking the word tyrant was just the word used to describe a Greek king in the early days Greece. And the death lottery is a roman military practice called decimation (literally meaning harming 1/10 in Latin.) It works similarly to how you described, if the army failed particularly badly 1 in 10 were picked randomly selected. However instead of killing them the other 9 would beat the 1 with sticks and then at night the 10% who got unlucky had to sleep outside the camp. Eventually roomers turned this into killing the 10%. (personally I prefer the dreadnought primarch angle because it's more badass and I'm not a fan of chaos.)

[@zeekly4135]

Honestly, I only recently discovered your channel but you’re honestly one of my favorite Lore Channels right now to be honest, and I mean that Keep up the great work bud!

[@Channel-23s]

14:00 tbf Big E also picked Dorn as the builder and defender so Perty blew 18 holes into the palace and left because he dislikes the batshit insane crew he was with and Perty wanting some praise and respect but yeah he went a bit off the walls but is definitely gray.

[@randyruger9063]

Perty was my first favorite primarch as I was learning 40k lore.

[@Counterpoints]

You will be a big channel one day. It’s fun, punchy, efficient, good content.

[@MrLowgaz]

Barban Falk from Angel exterminatus is still around as a Daemon Prince of undivided in 40k from Graham McNeils " Storm of Iron" where he ascended. Idryss Krendl who battles Dantioch is also still around in 40k in the novel: Skitarius

[@locoeselquemira22hola12]

And *TORAMINO*

[@georgesulea]

Great Video, Great Synopsis:) Loved the music too.

[@TheBoneZone40k]

Thank you so much! I had a fun time making it!

[@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290]

Iron warriors: it does not matter if I win or not, the only thing that is important is that you lose. I think that sums em up rather well.

[@randomcenturion7264]

Perty has two big problems that relate to each other. He never gets any praise, and he doesn't know how to give praise.

[@Southern_Omi]

I could watch this guy for hours

[@0KiiLLa0]

Didn't read about Perturabo yet, but from what you are describing, it was a roman-style decimation. Afaik, it was historical, where once a legion messed up bad enough, it was split into groups of ten, and every tenth man, picked by shortest straw, was executed by his 9 "squad-mates".

[@royalripper7453]

From the description we got , it seems that Perturabo became basically an Obliterator

[@demonic_myst4503]

Hopdul Fun fact porturabo basicly helped create the first obliterator He was sent by abadon to find angron and found a demon trapped in a forge world he aloud the demon to possess a member his legion and that demon mustted him into the first obliterator porturabo took that new obliterator with him and since them iron warriors have exsperimented with the technovirus that makes them

[@BR-bn1mz]

I’d just add that yes, many Iron Warriors do have quick praises to the dark gods before charging, many do worship the chaos gods and many do try to become daemon princes and receive and keep their chaos gifts, even if most don’t it’s still pretty common among most warbands (like with the Night Lords, where some warbands may have no taint and others where practically every squad has a worshiper or someone tainted)

[@karlwikman3874]

I love the fact that his sister roasted the dread of existence into him before dying

[@richardround2071]

Always nice to find a great new 40k channel

[@brianpj5860]

Man, this was a pretty good description of the Iron Warriors and Purty… Keep it up!! Cant wait to see how you describe My Favorite Loyalist primarch next (assuming you are going at the legions in order)

[@DieselDog403]

13:39 "Peter Turbo malds and runs off into a corner" 🤣🤣

[@Nobody-zl3kk]

I don't think Perturabo was fucked from the start just because he landed on Olympia, I think he was fucked because the only "parental figures" that he had were uncaring assholes who saw them as tools at best, those being Perry's dad and Emps, If any of those two were nice to him at any point I can see Perty growing to be just a dude with anger issues, not a damn sociopath, Primarchs who had NO chance and no Ifs to how much they were doomed are actually Angron and Curze. I can see someone reasonable coming out of Olympia, but out from Nostramo or Nuceria? No chance.

[@CAMSLAYER13]

Perrys dad seemed to make a genuine effort to connect with him in the book

[@carnage997productions3]

0:01 Perturabo smiling is absolute nightmare fuel.

[@mjdoombreed]

Weaponized stubbornness, my kind of guy

[@nischaanonbracke7420]

Hell yeah, Iron within Iron without!

[@TheBoneZone40k]

Imma be real with you chief Iron Within, Iron Without is one of the hypest battle chants

[@Doombot221]

Love this approach you took. Personally I think the demon primarch path could be interesting and sensible for Perturabo again from a utilitarian view. I imagine from his perspective still having contempt overall with demonic stuff that demonhood as an Undivided prince would allow him to remain immortal and therefore have eternity to prove how much better he is, or to be able to be present when he is "ultimately proven right about everything" while remaining independent from each of the gods. As with the fall of Olympia and fear of dad's judgement, Perturabo probably understood that falling to the gods was gonna happen eventually in some way. The only one who seemed to "evade" corruption was Curze (and that didn't end great lol). So becoming a prince Undivided was likely the best way to become a demon on his own terms, rather than getting stuck by circumstance the way Angron or Mortarion were particularly.

[@TheCreepyLantern]

"i like a good joke" i was expecting you to go "perterabo." and just roll credits

[@alphacypher7099]

absolutely loved this video. I'm hoping you do one on Horus as I haven't seen him talked about much. maybe that's just me, but keep up the great work!

[@TheJigsaw1591]

06:31 Had to double take but I *almost* thought you called him Erebus Dantioch. I would have been very upset Dantioch is one of the good ones... scartch that the only good one

[@Zazutorque]

I always liked how they portray Perty as an inventor and architect. He made the labyrinth for Curze to trap Vulkan in. He designed the chamber for the council of nikea.(which he hated what it was used for and then destroyed.) And a lot of other little things. He just wanted to be recognized and appreciated. But he just felt used.

[@miquella7207]

I don't know if it was intended but I think that the music "quiet internal rebellion" just fit so well for Perturabo and the Iron Warriors

[@ryan_the_rizza2571]

Love the angle of, as you said, the ‘why’.

[@nathanrosman-bakehouse359]

Third peter turbo video essay I've listened to and this one wildly diverged from the other 2. Also, the lottery is called a decimation. It is a punishment that reduces the force by a tenth. Yes, by beating to death ones peers.

[@GenesisDG]

I am only weeks old in terms of 40k lore. Perturabo and his legion just "grabbed" me. I am going to give the same time to learn the rest of the legions but his childhood, his life before and after meeting the corpse-god, their use of the daemons and cutting away of their gifts... Just hands down my favorite legion.

[@WhistlePigZILLA]

I've always felt the iron warriors' indifference to life was really the big thing that made them who they are and explained best why they do the things they do. They're the coldest ones ever to do it

[@EmonWBKstudios]

Decimation. In the past, the practice of decimation meant "one in ten" or the death of every tenth person or 1/10th of a specified unit or populace.

[@mannofdober873]

"This sucks but I don't care." - Any Iron Warrior ever

[@clink-at-war2]

0:55 Horus also refered to Konrad as a "Gloomy bastard" in the primarch book for sanguinius

[@scarletfatefan8793]

While yes, perturabo had a bad start, suede has both a massive martyr and victim complex, despite being one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy. I get that the emperor is a bad dad, but the primarchs had just as much of a part in their own downfalls as big E did. He’s also just a massive asshole. I’m not saying he not competent, the fact that he is is part of what makes him a good character. But we should recognize that he is in a hell of his own creation( mostly). Like he and mortarion hates the warp yet joins the faction with literal Desmond as Allie’s. Boy what did you expect

[@benjaminjane93]

One of the definitions I heard of the word "Tyrant" came from when I was studying classical theater for a course where the term came up repeatedly, and our professor said "Don't get confused, the term Tyrant doesn't mean what we think it means in modern context." So Ancient Greece was a city state world back then. Each city was essentially their own independent kingdoms. A King was someone who presided over his own City State. A Tyrant was someone who presided over two or more city states, be it from conquest or other means. It didn't have the same negative connotation that we have, basically it just means a King with several city states under his belt.

[@Channel-23s]

Out of all of the Traitors Perty got the most respect by how much work he put be it during or before the Hearsay

[@ianmcewan9101]

There is one Heresy-era guy still around. Warsmith Barban Falk, now a Daemon Prince known simply as The Warsmith.

[@theotv5522]

I thought Peter Turbo's actual power is that he can look at something and see how it fails, and from that he knows how it works; and that's how he's the siege master? Him knowing how to build things is only what he advertises as.

[@QWONIE]

It’s a bit of both it was pretty much implied he is walking stc when it comes to knowledge he is the smartest prim arch also he knows how to create tech he shouldn’t know how to make like that time he made magnus a warp power enhancer or his automatons with forbidden AI

[@Eta_Carinae__]

The book "Storm of Iron" details the members of Perturabo's Trident (from AE onwards), namely Forrix and Kroeger with Honsou as line-captains, led by Barban Falk aka "The Warsmith". Falk ends up ascending to Daemonhood, so he's still kicking around in that sense. The rest of them end up dying in the book of course.

[@mcchicken1849]

As far as my knowledge goes on their hatred of Chaos, it stems from how they saw it effect the other traitor legions. They saw how it by and large ruined them all both Astartes and their Primarchs (kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZeYY2NpjpyNrdE) the III'rd is a great example. At the start of the Heresy the legions all followed Horus but by the end due to the corruption numerous legions were running off to do other things. The Iron Warriors saw how they lost so much discipline and saw such corruption to the Ruinous Powers as weakness. Perturabo saw how it changed Horus from being as he called him "the only honorable man in the galaxy" to going borderline insane and taking away his lead command position during the Siege of Terra and giving it to Mortarian who was now a demon prince. He also got his soul wound from Fulgrim ascending to a demon prince. He later came across Sons of Horus who gave into Nurgle and told him he wouldn't be able to defeat demon prince Angron without Nurgles help (they died very fast) and he then went on to defeating Angron and his legion, despite Angron being a demon prince and himself growing ever weaker from his soul wound. I know I missed some stuff but that's by and large what I know.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Which exsolains why he was perfectly fine bring8ng the first obliterator into his legion and alowing his legion to turn parts of their group into obliterators

[@dekuvisuals9847]

If the Emperor had a heart to heart with Perty he probably would've never turned to chaos

[@Ballagorn_Ironblood]

Yey another fan of my boi and spirit animal Petter Turbo Iron Within, Iron Without

[@guilliman1990]

the iron warriors are the goats. not discussion no room for failure just being the goats

[@5TailFox]

Yeah, that punishment is called "Decimation." The ancient Roman legions used to do it, too.

[@mimikyoo]

3:20 most chad looking primarch

[@joesheridan9451]

Actually a handful of his warriors are still active 10k years since the heresy. Forrix, Kroger and Folk (just referred to as the war smith). No coincidence that they where the only 3 remotely likeable Iron warriors from the heresy. They were part of Honsus storyline

[@OifelOifel]

If you read Storm of Iron by Graham McNeil it showcases how the Iron Warrior operate. There were characters from the Heresy-era but surprise surprise: They died. The Iron Warriors sent Prisoners of War (captured regiments of hydra cordatus defence force) to probe the defences of the citadel. They basically made the defenders fire on their own people. Prisoners are used as slaves digging meticulously planned trenches toward the enemies defenses. They employ artillery and chaos titans but even those are used like disposable resources. The book also showes the ascension of Honsou to Warsmith and a lone imperial no good guardsman that survived by chance trying to turn his life around. It is the most gruesome 40k book I have read so far, giving insights how chaos marines operate. It is in a time where individual iron warriors also slowly fell to Khorne in a blood rush. It is a heavy but good read. I am continuing the omnibus and am stokes what Peter Turbos Boys have in store for me.

[@JuanxDlol]

5:56 Thats Romans we are talking about, not Greeks, wich makes sence in why Tyrant and king is the same meaning, because for Romans it was the same.

[@theodorehodbor5080]

On the topic of the whole Demonculaba thing, I think it really speaks volumes to their sheer pragmatism that *the* most cruel and fucked up thing in the entirety of 40k, something so fucked that Ultramarine librarians were getting visions from basically the Emperor telling them to obliterate it from orbit, was done just for the purpose of getting new marines efficiently. Like it wasn't done as some form of fucked up revenge against the people involved or because the degeneracy involved would please any of the gods, the Iron Warriors did it purely because they just wanted to mass-produce new marines instead of scrounging for recruits when they could. That is fucking terrifying.

[@happyvibez1265]

Their tactics are more closer to that of the Astra militarum from how it’s described just more effective cause it’s space marines and not regular people

[@Snifva]

If GW went with the weird dreadnought suit for Peter, it would be a cool parallel with guerillaman. Both inflicted soul damaging wounds by fulgrim and both kept alive by powerful armor that is also life support

[@TacticalReaper56]

Peter, kinda cooler to me now. I'm very surface level with 40k. Hearing he got out of one situation that was a shit sandwich, just into another that was practically the same thing. That sucks man. Feeling stuck sucks ass.Hell yeah I'd be looking for an out even if that meant betrayal. Very compelling character.

[@snorkable]

Actually Perturabo smiling was easily the most terrifying thing from this vid

[@SaturmornCarvilli]

I think it big issue with Perturabo being a daemon prince isn't the daemon prince part. But the bigger retcon that GW painted themselves into a corner with daemon prince have to be one of the four Chaos gods, so Be'lakor can be more of a special snowflake. For a long, long time, Chaos Undivided meant more than just picking all or none of the 4 Chaos gods. It also covered minor Chaos gods and just Chaos in a general sense. But a while back (somewhere in 7th ed, I believe), GW seemed to not like the idea of Chaos Undivided and changed the rules to be far more restrictive, and frankly, orderly to what Chaos is. Perturabo and Lorgar just happened to be causalities to this change. And while Lorgar fits better as a Primarch the venerates all of Chaos, Perturabo is left in a strange spot that doesn't really work anymore.

[@Prockski]

Tyrant in the classic sense just means absolute ruler.

[@Ironbattlemace]

Perturabo is my favorite primarch.

[@TheBoneZone40k]

I I don't know why, but the fact you said that, with your profile picture being what it is, and your username being how it is. it just It made me laugh. so take pride in that.

[@Ironbattlemace]

@@TheBoneZone40k :D

[@cleric777]

5:55 decimation (from Latin decimatio 'removal of a tenth' ) was a form of military discipline in which every tenth man in a group was executed by members of his cohort. Makes sense PeterTurbo from the Greek-Roman planet would like it.

[@johngavin3180]

"You smell of dirt and entitlement." "I am very bitter, and you are the reason why."

[@yungmalaria]

3:08 I know I found this pretty late, but the way you say the definition tyrant is different in the context of the planet Olympia. That is actually how the word Tyrant was treated in classical greco-roman culture. The tyrant was a government type many temporarily transitioned to in times of war to ensure absolute control of territory. It wasn’t thought of as a power trip greedy authoritarianism, but it usually had serious implications, maybe sometimes like life under marshal law-in-effect. The definition you are thinking of is the modern one, more interchangeable with dictator, cadillo etc.

[@pioneerpatrick77]

I feel like the iron warriors are one of the only factions in 40k that understand the reality of the universe: "in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there is only war". They recognize the point that life is meaning- and valueless, which is a point of discussion in our reality, but is unquestionably true in 40k. And because there is only war, you have to become the best at war, and to become the best at war you have to play by the rules of the universe and they say not the one who fought with principles or gambled on outside factors wins, but the one last standing

[@erwinthedodo9205]

You forgot to mention that perty constantly saw the eye of terror whenever he closed his eyes

[@BSideWasTaken]

The best thing about the Iron Warriors is that they make the Black Legion look interesting by comparison.

[@warsmithkorath5882]

The killing of 1 warrior in 10 was called decimation it means to reduce by a tenth a punishment used for failure in ancient times

[@WorshipperOfKhone]

I like the idea of him using daemonic technology to extend his life and the main reaosn why people in lore thinks his a daemon prince is because all these wires and mechanical bits sticking out and the less then human look makes him look like a daemon