The Most Underrated Space Marine Chapter in 40k

[@kartoffelsalat0]

Fun fun fact, Mantis Warriors have their Chapter Master from the Badab War imprisioned on Terra.

[@CaptainPoseidon282]

the 11th legion be like: welcome to the club cousins twice removed

[@HexaDecimus]

Spoil it for me pls ​@@epiceg9464

[@matteodebelser1025]

wait if there cm is on terra, how can the chapter even be governed and do you think he is treated well?

[@LexIconLS]

​@@matteodebelser1025 There is probably an acting chapter master, or perhaps he's even been replaced. And I can't imagine that he is. He's considered a heretic and traitor, which is worse than being a murderer in the Imperium.

[@CousinJesse1]

I heard that the chapter master for The Mantis Warriors was actually formally executed due to his role in the Badab War. I thought it was such a waste. Would have been a great asset to the Death Watch.

[@hamishsewell5990]

A Babab War book series is a must, I think. A good opportunity for new miniatures too

[@BloodyShirtMusic]

There is one. It's imperial armor volumes 9 and 10

[@Bungus-k2x]

YES I AGREE, RED SCORPIONS BOOK SERIES TOO

[@hamishsewell5990]

@@BloodyShirtMusic oh I meant a novel series.

[@12345langham]

Would be cool to get some refine M7/8 marines

[@Dogue83]

Honestly we have enough spess mehrines. We need an Age of Apostasy book series.

[@DeadliftsForTheDarkGods]

MANTIS WARRIORS MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@ro.kn.2665]

White Scars successors, Guerilla Warfare, Cool color scheme, niceeeeee

[@Psyker_Unredactus]

I got into the Badab War because of Occulus Imperia. His videos are so personal it feels like you're hearing a story from someone who is seeing it from a scryer's crystal ball. It is one of the most interesting conflicts in 40k, and it gave us one of my favorite Renegade/Traitor Warbands; The Red Corsairs.

[@frankburnstein1195]

He makes good content, smug remarks about correcting common misconceptions about 40K aside. Just kinda takes you out of the video

[@myrealname9656]

Gotta love the art of the Badab war...if my understanding is correct Arch commissioned some very nice pieces from a very talented artist for it

[@MrSageyman]

Aye, beautiful pieces that really help to tell the story.

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

f Arch

[@myrealname9656]

@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 Say it with your chest next time.

[@michaellee1244]

​@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 Your soy milk is leaking out

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

@@michaellee1244 ok xhomo

[@fenrirsrage4609]

I will always see this guys as basicallly being Kamen Riders. Like bug theme and coming from a Legion that loves motorcycles? The jokes write themselves.

[@scorpiontdalpha9799]

But they don't have fancy belts or henshin

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

I'm a massive Mantis Warriors fan, super hyped that this came out.

[@MrAirpumpkin]

3:00 I would assume that successor-successors happen when recruitment outpaces losses and the chapter has to/decides to spin off the surplus marines into thier own chapter in order to stay compliant.

[@Xman42635]

An interesting chapter that kind of gets intercepted research-wise by the Space Sharks and the Badab War. On the surface they seem like "bad guys" specifically designed to be a "Look how hard the Carcharodons beat ass during this war." kind of like with the Minotaurs and the Lamenters. The Badab War has a lot going on, and the Mantis Warriors have to fight to be noticed in a storyline already full of fan favorites. Space Sharks, Minotaurs, Executioners, Lamenters, Astral Claws and more are all present. There's a lot going on already, a main plot with Huron to take center stage alongside the origin story of the Red Corsairs. Then there's the scarcely mentioned Mantis Warriors all the way over there, getting torn to pieces by the edgy, mysterious Shark Marines led by a dreadnought sized Space Marine that no one knows anything about. It's an uphill battle for them in lore and out of lore. They're struggling to be noticed by the playerbase, to be seen as truly redeemed in the eyes of the Imperium. Even if no one know about them, or if their place in the Imperium hasn't been returned they are STILL fighting. Succeeding at little else but surviving the right way, enduring until they cut away all doubts of their loyalty. I think their Primarch would be more than proud of them, carrying on thanklessly like they are.

[@coliimusic]

3:25 Pretty simple really, Arthur. A secondary successor chapter or one that's descended from another simply had its initial gene seed directly sourced from that chapter. In varying cases successor chapters are given to later founding chapters. Sometimes they bloat overstrength and the Ordo Astartes says "no" and has them split, sometimes they're created as a way of "refounding" a destroyed chapter with a new name, Ive heard an example where a successor was given to a later descendent chapter as a gift for exemplary service. Sometimes they work closely with their origin chapter, sometimes they just do their own thing, it varies, but it does happen and it's not that odd really. And I bet theres some mislabeling happening, where successor chapters are founded from other successors, but only the source Legion is actually catalogued, so we just see Blood Angels, Ultramarines, etc on their documents.

[@Balevolt]

The Charnal Guard where pulled from the Maelstrom Warders. It's one of the things that made Huron go to Terra

[@thejonnyism6868]

>They fought in Badab (that's badass) >they're Catachan in power armor (that's badass) >they have one of the best camo paint (LOOK AT IT)

[@joselugo1982]

You make all these Chapters sound so good! I don't enough money to keep up lol

[@Mr.Praetor]

"The Trial of the Mantis Warriors" was the first 40k book I ever read (from the anthology book - "Legends of the Space Marines")so I have always had a soft spot for these lads.

[@fishqueen1702]

What I like the most is that in almost every piece of art for Tyberos during the Badab war, he is always killing a Mantis Warrior

[@bradrankin844]

Love your channel sir! I’ve said it before and I will continue to say it, “For a newbie like me to 40K, you make the lore and all the info super interesting and fun for me to understand!” So THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK!

[@americantitan2190]

They have recently become my favorite chapter. The armor color scheme alone is the best use greens and yellows mixed together. Love their fighting style and fierce loyalty, even though it’s under appreciated.

[@theemissary1313]

You found some of the fan art from way back! NICE!

[@SWProductions100]

Which one?

[@axelNodvon2047]

Liked these guys ever since watching Arch's Badab war series

[@UndaLupus]

i'm so happy you did a lore vid on one of my top 10 chapters, the mantis warriors just don't get enough recognition. their just so cool

[@cerberus400]

Shiiiiit. I'm a big Raptors fan but these guys have that goofy yet awesome flair I've envied in other Chapters. I love them!

[@elephantbat]

I'm ecstatic that the yellow and green fighting machines are getting love. Hopefully there will be more of the buggiest-bugsters-that-ever-bugged on the tables. (Also, their colors look SO GOOD on phobos armor)

[@Pallyk426]

3:10 when a chapter goes above the size limit and is not in a loophole such as crusading, it must make a successor chapter out of the excess

[@Spacebelongstome]

Ok, I'm a few months late to the party, but thanks Arthur for introducing me to this chapter. I've been struggling with finding a chapter that truly speaks to me on loyalist side, either I like their aesthetics or their lore, never both. Here I think I actually do. The colour scheme is damn nice and it seems the lore is holding up too.

[@Manny_lol]

MANTIS WARRIORS MENTIONED 🗣🗣🗣🪲

[@Cmdtheartist]

I think that while the Imperium needs all the help it can get, having a few loyalists staying more or less hidden isn't a bad thing. Because, you never know.

[@maxwellbeckconrad7606]

Man, I love everything about the white scars and their successors. These are one of my new favorites. I’m trying to pick a favorite chapter/legion and these guys are in the running.

[@neurotraveller]

The Mantis Warriors are one of my favorite chapters. But little is known of them.

[@thehowlingjoker]

We are successors of successors. We have twice the success!

[@m.k.738]

In one of the Deathwatch Books by Goto I think there was a Mantis Warrior character. They had an ability to slow their perception of events making actions around them appear in slow motion as they fight. If I am remembering right.

[@therabbithole993]

Its just mixed gene seed mixed with more gene seed kind of like how you make strains of majurijauna

[@ThelastofNazarick]

It's taking their stock and saying they were a template as good as a founding chapter and used as the basis for something new in hopes of getting something equally good. The astral claws had 3 or 4 successors iirc

[@jonathantheslow]

You are correct that the Charnel Guard did not participate in the Badab War. They were drawn away by the High Lords before the war started.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

Lamenters when

[@HermitRunner]

I can’t believe this guys haven’t defected from the imperium

[@CousinJesse1]

Well you’re not wrong. They are pretty cool. I’ll have to check them out more. Although if we are talking about chapters that are “super cool & overlooked by the fandom” to me that is easily the Red Talons & Nova Marines by far. You should check them out and do videos on them. They are SICK

[@Sharksvsnids]

Painted my first mantis warrior the other day! Its half a marine on the base of one of my carcharodons, sorry but i had too =)

[@Lem0nsquid]

Love me some mantis warriors. Not just the story but the paint scheme and the fact that preying mantis are fucken cool

[@forgefathervulkanhestan18]

My favorite White Scars successor for sure

[@Liberty-Jamie]

We know that many of the white scars betrayed their Primarch and the Emperor. Even the Emperor notes of it when talking to malcador.

[@smuggoat]

First impression, I liked their colour scheme and symbol. Bones made me like them as a chapter with this video.

[@Yig_al_Gaib4242]

One of my favorite successor chapters along with the Crimson Fists.

[@TheRedMan77]

I'll be honest, while I like their color scheme, I only know of the Mantis Warriors because my favorite Void Guppies tore them a new asshole during the Badab War.

[@LuckyTheReviewer]

Honestly, kind of like how the Mantis Warriors feel akin to the 30k White Scars and The Khan in that despite their actions, they were very much distrusted by the Imperium and the other Legions and kept to themselves. There's this air of constant underestimation they get by the Imperium, even after they have been redeemed for their part in the Badab War, and despite the treatment they get, they don't go rogue or turn to chaos they just continue doing what they do best, regardless of how the Imperium feels about them.

[@finncampbell4662]

The mantis warriors were always my favorite chapter from the badab war series. Super cool seeing my bug bois get some love

[@cbear3476]

White Scars and the Khan go hard. Second favorites behind Alpharius and the XX

[@dakota10018]

FINALLY. The chapter I play, and I’m glad to. I love the Mantis Warriors.

[@SaintPablo.]

Raptors, Mantis joint detachment homebrew yes thanks

[@carlslater8843]

Could successor chapters having their own successors be them complying with the Codex? As when a chapter is on crusade they can have as many marines as they need. So if a crusade ends with say 1500 marines. Would they split the chapter? I’m just theorising here I don’t know any Lore that confirms that.

[@sugma42069]

Iirc that's exactly it

[@cooldude6527]

I actually never knew how cool the Mantis Warriors were. They do seem pretty cool. One of the cooler chapters in the badab war imo. Speaking of which... I would like to submit my ninth request for a Red Scorpions video Hgs and Ksises, cool dude

[@dennisbatye1932]

The successor of a successor thing is the right of foundation. Basically it is the Space marines version of the right of resettlement. The magic reward for Gaurd regiments at the end of a campaign is that they if they won safificiant Honnors can resettle any of the worlds won in the campaign and ther forth that planet belongs to that regiment and that can do as they please with it. The right of foundation is the only way for a chapter to form without comeing from a founding, when a astartes chapter wins a certain amount of honors on a campaign, they may be granted either by an inquisitor or lord manager of the munitorum the right to form thier own successor chapter on any of the claimed worlds. Unlike a foundings by the the high lords or the Macanicus, chapters formed by the right of foundation are handled exclusively by the parent chapter. With the apothecaries of the chapter being the ones to make any needed or desired changes to the gene seed to give birth to this new chapter. With often a company or 2 of the parent chapter being left to form the new chapters veterans and comand structure as well as develop the new chapters cultures and doctrine as they see fit. With often the second company captain being made master of the new chapter, as such a chapter formed by the rite of founding could know itself as a successor to a successor and not as just a mother chapter from a certain gene stocks. PS, while some of this is speculation and head cannon based on infer inference, it is cannon that the right to split off and form a new chapter as you see fit is a honor that is given to spaces marines chapters and is highly sought after.

[@23ADJ93]

Connor, your material that gets meta and emotional is unique and engaging and I think you should just fucking hammer that vector hard because it’s totally unique.

[@cactusproductions6531]

I think a book about some mantis warriors hunting down some red corsairs would be really cool

[@yellowdancer7055]

BONES!!!!!

[@Foostini]

Begging for Storm Wardens

[@matthewgordon7931]

I love seeing more mantis stuff, I've got a small mantis warrior army even. 🤙

[@MastiffTheShotgun]

Everyone forgets the executioners

[@jonathanthompson4734]

Some chapters remaining obscure is a good thing

[@ClashCrash-rz9nr]

how many space marine chapters predate guiliman telling the loyalist legions to split into several different chapters

[@richardkern7268]

Mantis Warriors are pretty neat. Speaking of Badab, you should do a video on The Exorcists!

[@Bungus-k2x]

RED SCORPIONS ARE IN THE BADAB WAR, THEY'RE SO CLOSE I CAN SMELL THEM: DAY 30 OF ASKING FOR RED SCORPIONS VIDEO

[@josephkim9974]

Imagine if Mantis Warriors and Raptors worked together, they would be an unstoppable force.

[@stravisphere5225]

Retributors for Rogal Dorn!

[@double_0_delta158]

Any thing related to the white scars in general could use more love.

[@l0rdY0shi]

You can really tell they have white scar lineage. Mostly isolated, not highly regarded yet still act as competent loyal warriors with little complaints.

[@hamburgaomexilhaozinho2881]

I really thought they were called the praying man today💀

[@jackgriffi7826]

Alright, you sold me on them, here's my credit card.

[@kartoffelsalat0]

I wish this was 11 hours long instead of 11 minutes. Here's to whoever writes their next lore, thanks in advance

[@MandoSki464]

Such a cool chapter

[@JRBDWD]

Marines Malevolent! Fuck yeah! 🫡

[@CornBredSnakes]

Mantis warriors? Queue JAWS theme...

[@EKTOS]

I know mantis warriors have very little concept art but seeing raptors cancept art being used for them is funny regardless those two marines is still very different mantis warriors still preferred melee even tho they use gorilla tactics yes they have snipers of there own but i dont think there sniper will be on par to raptors sniper after all raptors marine preferred mid to long range engaged there whole chapter specialist around this fighting style and they still is good melee combatant i often call both chapter two side of the same coin (Btw those two chapters is my favorite so far i hope they get more storys and even a team i reallywant to see how those two gorilla specialist chapters will interact but at the same i already know they will work great together)

[@G8oo8N8]

I love the RAPTORS and The Mantis. !! ❤ RAPTORS have new lore pls cover a 30 min video haha

[@david21216]

Hell yeah anarchist faction! Autonomy and perseverance great stuff 👍

[@MrPapamaci88]

So they are basically a bunch of Doom Guys.

[@shadysack9884]

You should do a series on guard regiments next.

[@WompWompMcStomp]

I want to let you know that if you don't cover the Moritfactors in this series then I will cry. Please give my boney boys some love

[@matteodebelser1025]

i think the marauders just split their chapter in two and renamed kinda like mitosis in cells

[@parkermaisterra8532]

Ah yes the Mantis Warriors, the closest thing 40k has to Kamen Rider

[@CyrodiilCome]

My favorite chapter

[@coltonberry985]

Best whitescars successors

[@canisrex5142]

Mantis Warriors are awesome. They're cool enough to make me despise Charcharadons

[@Dingghis_Khaan]

Fuck yeah Mantis Warriors!

[@MultiTequilaSunrise]

I fucking love the Mantis Warriors. My main army....3 armies really, is Dark Angels, BUT my Incursion Kill Team is Mantis Warriors

[@Salantor]

Interesting counter: 3 + 1 for the chapter name

[@conorsutherin2044]

The mantis warriors are the GOATs

[@MrWobbegong]

WHEN VULKAN

[@noided583]

To quote a certain Wisconsinite with budding dementia and a penchant for shitty movies, I think the Mantis Warriors are indeed, "Very Cool".

[@codycurtin2295]

JUST TELL ME IF SHIBAN WAS THE CHAOTER MASTER OF THE MARAUDERS GAMES WORKSHOP TELL ME NOOOW

[@georgesulea]

I'll go with hidden gem...

[@jacobhexum7017]

Hydra Dominatus.

[@animalbrained]

YESSSS MANTIS LOVE

[@inductivegrunt94]

Mantis Warriors are so cool! Raptors but from the White Scars and not Raven Guard. Easily one of the best Space Marine Chapters, period.

[@wahbegan]

i like praying mantis clak clak clak

[@kaitracksmalgom]

Do a video on the iron sceptres

[@michaelproctor1592]

Currently buildind A Mantis Army !!!

[@mathewfitzpatrick5645]

Why is so much of the art in this video of the Raptors when in those specific parts you're talking about the Mantis Warriors? Is it lack of Mantis art?

[@steweygrrr]

I'll admit that I knew naff all about the Mantis Warriors but still made "lol multilaser" memes about them. After watching this it actually makes a lot of sense that a chapter that's frequently out of the general logistics chain would rely on weapons that don't require much in the way of maintenance and have ammunition that is far easier to obtain than that of Astartes bolt weapons. Don't get me wrong, that particular author is still terrible but I disagree with their... artistic licence a bit less now.

[@TheFifthHorseman_]

Goto has done far more egregious mistakes when writing. He's just s bad writer .

[@drewmasterr7796]

Please do my poor sad yellow bois the lamenters need it

[@lonestar7962]

Pretty good video