I am Giving Up on my Mental Health

[@saucerr3691]

Burger claims no formal diagnosis, but this is untrue as I have formally diagnosed him as being a cool guy.

[@E.L.-Karlsen]

You're close to spot-on with your statement about how diagnoses are bullshit. While I'm only a junior on my way into the field (as a psychiatrist), I have heard rumblings expressing something very similar to what you're saying from within our scientific community. The issue is, as you say, that the human brain is an immensely complex and varied organ, and even now we only have a very basic grasp on the exact physiological mechanisms that come together to form our mental conditions. Contrast that with heart attacks for example, where we have quite a deep knowledge about the chemical and cellular processes that make up arterial plaques, blood clots and ischaemia. We're working from quite a barebones perspective, one where often make our diagnoses based on imprecise groupings of symptoms instead of the underlying causes (etiology). Of course, there's a reason for it. Some patients feel safer having something concrete to identify and externalise their problems; we need a language to describe these things by; governments and insurance companies (piss be upon them) need frameworks and definitions in order to (maybe hopefully accountably) determine groups of people are in need of resources; and the whole science is of course a continuation of a historical past where we understood even less about the human mind. In another world, especially one where our understanding of neuroscience is better or one where we allow oureselves more fluidity when interacting with patients, we could be using diagnoses systems wholly different from those of the DSM-V or ICD-10 (The latter in Germany). Those diagnoses could sound a lot like what your therapist described to you - "Infantile Narcissism Deficiency", diagnosed primairly from A/B/C neurosequential developmental factors, then secondarily and individually associated with X/Y/Z symptoms later in life. That was my two centss from the discussion as I know it. Of course I'm still a junior and as such should have everything taken with a healthy grain of salt. Feels terribly boring in a comment section as full of sincere experiences as this one.

[@Vapourwear]

Mental health care is perhaps the least mental-health-friendly thing in existence. It’s almost poetry.

[@Kennyselman]

...its almost a pun-ishment by the universe~!

[@Vapourwear]

@@Kennyselman I don't find this very punny.

[@gumbilicious1]

there once was a man from Nantucket...

[@AAllen-br8it]

​@gumbilicious1 he gathered his nut in a bucket

[@theraven2448]

Y'know I never realized the regular looking down was actually a tic. I always assumed you were just looking at your script and checking so you were still standing "in frame" via some tape on the floor or somesuch. It'd be natural to do, when you're moving around as much as you are when talking! :D

[@TheBurgerkrieg]

the looking is just half the tic, I am really flexing my brachioradialis, and sometimes my chest muscles. I just also have to look at it.

[@AleshaM30]

Same! If he had never said it was a tic, I would have just continued to think he looked at his notes a lot.

[@joaoteixeira6443]

Not for nottin', but I developed the same when hitting the gym. Weird flex, I know. (JK, man. Thanks for all the free content and hours of enjoyment)@@TheBurgerkrieg

[@Skywatcher16]

i thought the same. just glancing down at notes or a script

[@TheTaleFoundry]

The take is spicy hot fire and very good -Benji

[@Azimii]

as a 21 year old with 11 years of weekly therapy under my belt i can confirm that focusing exclusively on the diagnosis itself instead of trying to make your life an enjoyable one is a struggle much more easily said than done, especially when meds could actually be the life changing thing that makes your brain functional

[@beautifuldoubt6257]

I feel that "if you came when you were at your worst, we couldve helped, but you figured it out enough huh? make way for the really messed up people" >-> man what? I still need help.

[@intranexine8901]

The neuro is diverging, the tism is touching and at least 79 HD's have gathered already. Yippe🎉

[@clairewinters7182]

You're one of the first people I've listened to, or talked to, with a very similar expression of symptoms, inability to find diagnoses, and approach to mental health. It's good to know I'm not alone :) Thanks for talking about it.

[@ethandavis3762]

Not a professional, but my sister is, and something she’s told me a lot is that the dsm exists mostly because insurance companies want categories to assign treatments for rather than trust psychologists to recommend treatments on a per-symptom basis. Both approaches have their benefits, but one being largely infeasible (at least in American healthcare) does a good deal of harm. Especially for edge cases or people who are high functioning.

[@youmasaram]

For me as person with BPD it was always funny how quick people brush off the possibility of them having BPD. Because it's not some "quirky" or "pitiful" condition but usually viewed as a "damning" one.

[@noiceferatu1187]

Which is also an antiquated view. BPD is extremely treatable.

[@DeathnoteBB]

That’s funny to me because before I got diagnosed and treated for ADHD, I was sure I had BPD.

[@youmasaram]

@@DeathnoteBB that’s what diagnosing is for

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@youmasaram It’s more to treat whatever you do have, rather than to discredit any other potential diagnosis. My point was that while I don’t have BPD I was open to the diagnosis

[@Yggramuhl]

Thank you for the video! All your videos are so well researched, informative and entertaining as well. Your community seems to be a lot of cool people, too. Glad I found this. Discovered you for the Shadowrun vids, stayed for everything else, lol. Mental health is indeed a very difficult topic. I'm happy for you to go your way and that it seems to work out well for you. Wish you all the best. TL;DR: my personal experiences were not too good, but I had my own journey which turned out to go well and still keeps going. Some Patients just don't go the way of treatment, self or otherwise, they just love their diagnosis, as it is so cozy. A lot of mental health institutions are just bullocks. Been in the bin twice and in one of the kind where the caretakers just don't bloody care. In that particular ward, they had the patients mainly imprisoned. You get some "therapy" which is mainly "here, paint a picture" - without even talking about the art produced. First time I was there, there was at least some water gymnastics. No sports were allowed. No computers. No laptops. You could go to a library and funnily, no one cared what books were read. I mean, could be dangerous material, could help to understand how you tick, but whatever. Food was all unhealthy crap full of fat and sugar. Most time was spent sitting around and waiting for time to pass or hanging out in some smoking area, were we all agreed this was a waste of time. Have been described some antidepressants that just fired me up so much, that instead of sleeping, I felt like partying all night - which to my shame I did. Then they stopped working, so I got new ones, which gave me a form of hepatitis. Swore to never take any of that again, as it wasn't for me. Both times I was there, they couldn't figure out what was "wrong" with me. Maybe narcissism, BPD and depression, but eventually they settled for the latter. Got send to a therapist who was no help at all. When I had run into a situation that overwhelmed me and I head an emotional breakdown (in a middle leadership position at work, yay), I was supposed to tell her. So I did. just that she constantly interrupted me. I was telling the details that had upset me, minor details "normal" people would likely usually ignore, and I wanted to explain why they had upset me so much. She wanted to rush me to the point and wanted me to say "how I felt". She obviously didn't even listen. Ultimately, I also gave up on the whole mental heath stuff and just figured shit out on my own. I researched everything I could online, I read dozens of books on various psychological, sociological and behavioural subjects. Quite often I had a feeling of epiphany while reading. Some sentences, paragraphs or chapters seem to speak to me so clearly, I just found myself in those lines. I started journaling, also thinking about what I read, and with that, I had a means to vent my emotions without negative consequences, while also being able recognize patterns in my thoughts. Writing brought it to consciousness. I'm still thinking about going over the material and maybe find a way to turn it into a book, as it does describes a journey. Reading what I wrote four years ago, I feel almost no connection to those thoughts. I also got into photography without even noticing. I forced myself to go outside and search for every tiny little thing that seemed beautiful. All I saw was ugliness and sadness and anger in the world. I learned to see the beauty of life within all things. I'm just learning to bring that up to a professional level. It was a lot of hard work and for sure I am not done, but it was and is worth it. No doctors, therapists, institutions or drugs needed. Guess I was lucky enough that, even though seemingly I was oblivious to my own issues for most of my life and thus failed to understand why I was suffering so much, it was not a severe case. I just never had learned that level of self-consciousness - like, in a good way, as I have been self-conscious in a bad way, like feeling awkward, worthless, unwanted, ugly and all that. I think, from my experience, that a lot - not all - mental health institutions do not take normal human nature into account. They have to function within, like you stated, capitalist standards - bringing in results and money, being cost effective, etc. How on earth are institutions as such supposed to be able to take the time that is needed for each individual case? We generally even have enough psychologists and therapists, but not enough get funded or a clinical allowance, with degree and everything (in Germany, I think there has even been some journalistic research on that matter). The issue doesn't root in lack of professionals, but is created by political matters entirely. I guess it is the same shit that is going on with nearly every health or care giving institution. Though, sadly, there are such people that really only care for a diagnosis. I'm aware that a diagnosis is necessary to get the correct treatment, or at least have starting point for right treatment, as there sure are variations as well. Nonetheless, some people get a diagnosis and the rest on it. Instead of trying to get better, as therapists, especially the good ones, can only help you to help yourself, they just want someone else to do that work for them. And for some, even those that don't really mean anything bad, they still do bad by not changing anything and just blaming their mental illness for everything that goes wrong. I know someone, very closely as a matter of fact, who is doing just that. No love, help, understanding and forgiveness will ever change his mind. He says he trusts me, but he only reacts utterly defensive whenever I try to carefully reflect what his behaviour is doing to me, what it looks like from the outside. But how else would he know that he is hurtful to the very people that love him and that he claims he loves? Many times we have talked about this and always he claimed he would work on himself. Each and every time he is just repeating his behaviour. I no longer believe his words. Also a thing I have noted down in my journal. I never would demand he instantly never does something hurtful. Some things just happen and sometimes one can lose their temper. But he just continues to live in such an oblivious state, blaming either others or then pointing to his illness and blaming the other person, mostly me sadly, for being disrespectful towards his issues. No matter how careful I try to approach a situation, or what kind of situation. I hold no grudge against him, but I can no longer have close contact with him. It's sad, but sometimes things do be like that. Shit, I should't write so much. Sorry. Ney, thanks to who ever read this.

[@michaelricheson849]

Even though I am the first viewer, I apologize I do not have the most time to watch right now. Please do not kill yourself. You are my favorite KZbinrs

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

Seconded

[@zyrkugilgamesh]

KZbinrs in plural

[@simonberry4357]

❤

[@konchu5221]

@@zyrkugilgamesh every one of them

[@Cymricus]

this is the conclusion i recently came to as well. took like 13 years trying all kinds of meds and hearing so many different diagnoses. it’s not only obnoxious but also expensive, it keeps lining the pockets of the people whose interests it serves, and worse of all, it makes everything worse.

[@Lenitas]

That story about your history with diagnoses and symptoms makes me feel so incredibly seen. While not 100% the same of course (e.g. I do have time blindness) I recognize so much in that. Recently I've been able to be more freely me and depressive symptoms have started to reduce so much, along that it's getting easier to do stuff now I need to do less stuff.

[@jaspermooren5883]

Labels can be important for both medication, which could have some terrible consequences when given to the wrong people, and for the government. My autism diagnosis I got as a young child has helped me tremendously in my life simply because it gave the education system much more possibilities (mostly because they had more government money), but that argument depends heavily on the way it is organised in your country, in the Netherlands it just happens to help massively. Much later when I was 25, I got diagnosed with ADHD which for which there is medication which happen to have helped my tremendously and you need the diagnosis to get it, not just for economic reason, like health insurance, but also medical reasons. ADHD is fairly well understood what biochemical processes underline the issue, so medication can, at least partly, absolve those biochemical imbalances. So if you give this medication to people who have different issues you can make things a lot worse. So there are some reasons to label things, but outside of government funding (for which any label is often more important than which label anyway) and medication, yeah labels don't matter. In life I don't really use my labels (other than for the medication I take), I just know that I am who I am and it is about finding ways to improve my life, not nessisarily the label. It doesn't define me, it gives me means to improve myself. Those are not the same thing.

[@fie8769]

I actually have an interesting story around my mental health. I always suspected ever since 6th grade when the Bad Thoughts(TM) were really prevalent that I had something "wrong" upstairs, but when I talked to people around me who were open (they weren't really that open) with their mental health struggles, I didn't see my struggles in them; as such I carried on with life. It wasn't until the last couple *weeks* of my highschool life that my parents told me "yeah the psychologist we took you to see when you were very young recommended that caffeine would help your attention, but we didn't tell you for [x reason]". That's how I learned I had ADHD. But wait, there's more! At this point I knew I had ADHD, and I was vaguely aware of the concept of co-morbidity and the causal link between ADHD and other mental illnesses, but it wasn't until 3/4th of the way into my first year psychology course in university that they pulled up a checklist of things people with depression tend to express. Turns out, I expressed 9/10 symptoms; and that's how I found out I had depression. With those 2 squared away, its definitely within reason that I would also have anxiety (which I do, GAD), but I didn't figure that out until I had 2 panic attacks. So that's cool

[@linusmushroomtips776]

Ah yes, the wombo combo that is ADHD, GAD or SAD and depression.

[@madcat789]

I don't remember even subscribing to you but I sat through this and kept watching. Glad to hear youre going back to school. I need to do that.

[@joaoteixeira6443]

I have struggled with this same issue. My recurring problem just seems to be borne out of extensive childhood trauma, which just makes me sometimes have to say "I don't think I am equipped to live.".

[@gremlin2550]

don't know what the heck is wrong with me, and refuse to go to a therapist, really bad experiences with therapists. Don't want pills due to all those side effects. Been learning and using various coping mechanisms, and it's been manageable, thankfully.

[@DarkRonnie]

Autistic, chronic depression and anxity here, with hints of tourette and schizophrenia which run in the family it is indeed all a spectrum... i fully understand trying to shift the focus to happiness, i have had very mixed experiance with therapist, some just want to put you in a box so they can medicate you, while others really talk and want to help... anywho enough paresocial from me, best wishes to you Burger, and to anyone who read this

[@lorddukealayeneclipse3317]

Krieg. The way you described everything at the beginning is that your brain heard the song "Welcome to the internet" by Bo Burnham

[@phill2929]

Thank you for sharing, and best of luck to you dude!

[@Jallorn]

Fun fact: I used to have ticks as a child, and have mostly outgrown them. Looking back, I suspect that they may also have been a form of stimming? In that they weren't exactly, like, a thing I couldn't not do, so much as a compulsion, a sort of itch that needed scratching, but couldn't be scratched normally.

[@mrmackie-qp6lr]

I completely agree with your decision and wish you luck with it

[@Vlugazoide]

I feel similar to you on that, I had treatments for anxiety disorder and depression, and don't get me wrong, they helped, but I still feel amazingly wrong and impaired in life, and still constantly under distress. I am in a process of maybe getting a new treatment adding in some possible new issues, and God I hope it works, but I share your feelings towards mental health care being severely frustrating

[@squeethemog213]

I don't have anything really to add but I do agree with your points. Being on the spectrum myself it certainly has it's bumps in the road. But I managed as best I can, I still go to therapy every two weeks and it helps but ultimately it falls onto myself to keep going. Thank you for another video man, especially one so personal. Take care out there :)

[@khbgvc]

Oh my god how are you so right so often. x_x I love this video!!! I've never gotten an autism diagnosis and my friends have been neurodivergent all my life and assumed I knew so they never said anything. Anyway, I have also gotten a lot of help from joining autistic communities and learning how other people deal with similar issues. I only ever speak for myself and have no interest in using my self diagnosed autism to beat others over the head with it. I mostly just want to be left alone to live my life, I have no interest in policing what other people do. I got a job working at a startup that lets me wear noise canceling headphones and even just that has helped me function so much better.

[@richardmeunster8743]

Just a touch of everything. Relateable

[@N0tsaved]

I'm glad you said what you did at 5:30. A lot of people will sometimes think you simply by misunderstanding that you need to hit every single check on the list or you don't have it.

[@Ultravenom1]

The more insane you are, the more powerful of a mage you will become

[@Koijn2K]

The world aint ready for when i get my magical abilities then

[@Anglisc1682]

I'm a WARLOCK

[@linusmushroomtips776]

Call me a dark nefarious sorcerer then

[@danielhuelsman76]

Good to see you're doing well, and I hope to see more of these videos, but don't push yourself to do that.

[@LadyLunarSatine]

Glad to hear you're continuing your education and I'm all for whatever helps your brain vibe on the right frequency.

[@Paul_McSeol]

Thanks for sharing, Burger. We appreciate you and all that you do. Take care, brother.

[@ryinglis3303]

Take your time. You sound like you've got it right.

[@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w]

Good luck, i hope it works out for you! Genuinely as someone that has their own mental health issues i wish you well.

[@kylegonewild]

I gave up on chasing a specific doctor for a specific diagnosis and eventually just signed up for an online service that connects you with medical professionals licensed to write prescriptions. Gave the woman I got connected with the run-down on my issues and after answering some of her questions to eliminate more extreme potentials she gave me some options and immediately I got started on a new medication. We've spent the past year adjusting doses, monitoring my mood, and adding a new med to help with another issue. I've been doing markedly better and things that were going neglected in my life have been slowly getting attention again. I had reached the point where treating the symptoms was more important to me than knowing exactly what's wrong. The symptoms are what's making daily life much more difficult, so they're what needs the most attention.

[@McKay416]

As someone who also suffers from many of your described symptoms, the best answer I ever got was from a Neuroscientist, not a counselor or psychologist. She literally studied the physical structure of the human brain and approached her counseling from that angle. I too had been tested and diagnosed with many of the diagnosis you've had and finally this Neuroscientist diagnosed me with Disorderly Thought Disorder (funny name, I know). Even my neuroscientist said it wasn't a perfect diagnosis, but it's the closest she could get. It also shares symptoms with ADD/ADHD, OCD, and Schizophrenia. Getting the diagnosis and understanding that my brain is mis wired has helped to retrain some of my thought processes and has helped me so much in my daily life. I highly recommend that if a counselor hasn't helped, find a neuroscientist and get their opinion. Addendum: I have always said that if you grab the DSM you could diagnose every single human in the world with SOMETHING!

[@Anglisc1682]

The common misconception about Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder is that it's definitively about cleanliness, grooming and arranging objects and just generally being picky. This isn't true

[@matthewschuh3332]

Not to be parasocial but damn; vibe we share a lot of strange symptoms and shit does suck, hope you find a good doc that can help eventually.

[@Marinanor]

Me too, I don't know the name of my Lovecraftian Horror. I'm not suicidal but I'm weird.

[@AsiaToscano-ql1dy]

Sheer Perfection!

[@masscreationbroadcasts]

I agree. Certified insanity is the best course of action. *unpauses video in second 1* *closes website*

[@ernestlam5632]

4:20 It's funny that you mentioned it because I was thinking borderline personality disorder from your symptoms..

[@kieranobrien9067]

I dunno the fuck is goin on with me either ngl, I can relate to some of the things you discuss, but ultimately I'm afraid to look at any diagnosis because of the stigma here in Ireland.

[@ken-dog]

All this may very well be the case, but you are very charismatic, at the very least in this format. So that's a positive 👍

[@owenparris7490]

Therapy actually helped me a lot, mainly because I was just talking to someone who'd listen and not judge me. For a while, I thought I couldn't get that with my parents or friends, and to a degree, I still don't, but we're making progress on that. I haven't gone in a while, so I've started doing a lot of introspection and figuring out how I can help myself. I wouldn't call it self-diagnosis since I'm comfortable with my Autism diagnosis, but I think it's kind of related to what you're saying.

[@Zahnpuppy]

I have ADHD and I was told that therapy helps as kuch as medication. Having tools to deal with the symptoms is something that you can keep with you the rest of your life even if you stop taing your medication. I think that every mental illness has things you can do to manage the symptoms and if you have a handful of symptoms that dont line up with any major diagnosis, you could still learn the tools that are taught to people with the diagnosis that presents those symptoms.

[@rikhenry9701]

commentingfor the algorithm; i'm proud of you :)

[@Stoneworks]

Giving up my mental health means I'll go full Gollum mode

[@RaptieFeathers]

What you've described is... It's actually kind of scary how similar to how my brain is. The tics, the focus issues, the delusions, everything. My list of diagnoses is quite long, but the biggest issue is my "ADHD" (worst name ever, it's about executive functioning, but whatever.) The only thing that can fully treat my executive dysfunction-and in doing so treat the OCD, the tics, the delusions, etc-is prescription methamphetamine. It's the only medication strong enough that a small dose treats without side effects. Any other ADHD medication, I would need to take in such large quantities that it would kill me. (I'm also on a bunch of other medication and vitamin supplements to treat some of the other issues) Anyway, apologies for the ramble, but I ... Yeah. You're doing well, keep on focusing on this path

[@amanitamuscaria5863]

Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean there isn't someone or something hiding just out of sight trying to get you.

[@TheGrinningViking]

I mean, we all have cell phones. I'll get one of the Linux phones eventually. Or a jailbroken Huwai. Something that actually turns off when it turns off.

[@longlostwraith5106]

Indeed, but if someone or something is hiding just out of sight trying to get you, regardless whether you're paranoid or not, why worry about it? It's pointless, we have the fight/flight response for a reason. A mere second after a lion jumps you, you are pumped full of adrenaline and ready to either defend yourself or flee. Worrying about it does you no good, because it brings the rest of your life to a halt. And I know, things like paranoia aren't logical, but it often helps to try to view them critically.

[@codymcgrew4015]

Feeling the Cobain reference here lol

[@VagabondTE]

Yeah, very early on in the video I was like, "this guy needs to stop worrying about what he has and just focus on what he needs.".

[@4eyezwhitedragon]

Any therapist who were drawn to this video and the comment section, may I ask a question. What's your meaning to life and does it make you happy? Also, being educated on the subject, do you genuinely believe everyone is capable of that?

[@DaveTzuchilla]

Are you asking what 0:01 meaning they have in their life or are you asking for them to give you a meaning for your life OR "The Meaning To Life?" I think the meaning to life is like asking what's your favorite fruit flavor....blueberry is mine but that's my answer.

[@theculturedjinni]

Yay mental health!, let the insanity begin!

[@seanmiz6539]

Unmedicated. In too many lanes. A general threat to society. Thriving.

[@ConquistadoraDeLaEstrella]

these kinda videos on what exactly is up with the brain helped me figure out that I have no idea what stuff I have, except I do now know with near absolute certainty that I *Don't* have autism, even if I display some traits for it. Currently the thing the seems to fit most at the moment is ADHD, but it's kinda like wearing a shirt that is in your size but which has holes in it from moths. So for now, that's what I'm going with.

[@vHindenburg]

Suffering the human condition.

[@marocat4749]

I am glad that if burger gives up on his mental health, its to take care of his mental health better :3 you dontr seem antisocial, just very grumpy. Oh and a lot of what are traits people just have, just vamped to 11, like yeah people do indeed get very paranoid at times, see things that arent there, feel very bad, might hate people in general. have emotional very highs and lows. So any mental illness is more or less that being so out of wack its a serious problem. but it more or less are just states human have, to 11, and becoming a problem. Yeah being hight on happy is manic if its vamped up. I think it would good to go to cultures that treat them as parat of just being a person out of wack that generally have a right to exist but , can get out of wack, and manage that . And manage includes meds as option. I am not downplaying up, but define healthy, who is "100% healthy there" its not, similar to people shouldnt seek happyness, but overall satisfaction and comfortability.

[@NIL0S]

Look, I learned to live with it, and that's a lot for somebody that once seriously entertained the idea of unaliving themselves. I know I will have ups and downs, both pass, and come back around again. My finances sort of work, and I'm relatively autonomous. If it happens that I want to just sleep through a whole day because of how I feel, I can. I'm also terribly alone and my best friends are probably books, games and imaginary sh*t like that. I gave up on "love" after divorce, found that careers are stupid after my burnout(s), and I became cool with the idea of my friends being conditional on my hobby interests *shrugs*

[@DaveTzuchilla]

@NILOS what made me not want to unalive myself was sadly and simply the fact that my best friend beat me to it.... 2/11/11. Was able to witness first hand what his family, friends, my family, myself and so many other had lost with that act. We were friends of a mutual friend but bonded over having severe depression and could talk about it to each other and both admitted we had "those" ending thoughts. His "example" is why I didn't do it on the 27th of the same month after a mental breakdown/ slip/ faux pas/ logic took a vaction after I learned the "piece" I knocked up had lost the pregnancy. Shit! Sorry... rambling, needed to relate to ya... but living with it is .... not, I don't know, Fuck! Just wana chat or some shit or like ... ah hell.

[@6Sprocket]

up the voltage...

[@tedarcher9120]

A hairy man invents CBT all by himself, marvellous!

[@MarkusJackDijkgraaf]

The reasons given here are the same most medical professionals gave me for not diagnosing my autism. I found a neurologist who was able to help me cope with the negative aspects a lot better that I was able on my own, because he said: "Well, we'll treat you like you have autism. But I can't diagnose you with it."

[@mrmarten9385]

Stress and trauma.

[@jamesoldham9995]

"My boyfriend has them also" Dammit, I missed the Burgergay arc. Have you considered that having your buns filled with meat kinda makes you an actual burger?

[@konchu5221]

LMAO

[@durandus676]

I know so many people who were misdiagnosed with ADHD, you know because they say things like riddelin makes them hyper and spazzy, or something along those lines. its supposed to make people with ADHD crash or mellow out, when I was a kid it basically knocked me out. Meds run out but methods of handling dont so its important to figure those out young. 14:25 I purged mine from my records with a handshake and a wink to my doctor before i became an adult and got "reassessed" because I didnt want any incompetent paper pusher leaking stuff or being asked in class by a professor if i needed an extension(yes they did do that to people with diagnoses and youd have that awkward line of people at the end of class asking not to have an extension because it was embarrassing at 20 to not have strategies to deal with it) 15:43 ive never met someone who had an effective strategy who didnt wish they could have started developing the strategies earlier in life, and not just medicated it away, I got lucky I had terrible side effects to meds so they took me off all of them and just got morale support.

[@88Grabarz]

Labelscan be usefull, but they do not fix things. No matter what your labale is in the end you still need to look for strategires, habits, medicine etc. That work for you. I lost a little bit of faith in labels, but I still believe mental health and self care/self work should be a part of our lives. I don't believe it is possible to achive a state where you say "yeah, I went into every corner of my internal reality, all is fine and I can now no longer work on my psyche". There alway will be something to do, something to fix.

[@SeveringJuan]

Burger sigma tip #456: Give up on your mental health Im kidding, good video

[@dennod5025]

Hy. French psychology student here. Long time watcher, first time replyer. We, really, fumble in the dark. Like, the best comparaison should be : we know that heating water make it boil. And then, someone found that happen at 100°C. But a lot of People tells us that, no, the temperature is different for them. And then, someone found out that atmospheric pressure play à huge role in that. It's really that. We for exemple know that parts of neurodivergent Peoples have neural links that are differents. Ence the sur or sub stimulation associated with some events/senses. But why ? Damn, so much answer possibles. We know that most of diagnostics share common symptomes. Is this causal or correlational ? Mostly the latter in fact, but where is the causal link ? In anycase, self-exploration (and self-diagnosis done with this goal) is a good thing. And at last, we are sûre of one thing : Seeking help and having it is always à good thing. Asking for a diagnosis for the sake of it isn't. Take care of you. And learn what's work with you and what can help is always à good thing.

[@Zectifin]

tics are fun aren't they? I also have to do the thing where if I do something with one hand or foot or whatever I have to do it with the other or it feels wrong. I don't think its OCD because I've heard if you have OCD you have these intrusive thoughts where something very bad will happen if you don't do it. I don't feel that way, its just annoying until I do it. Think its just another compulsion or tic or something. The brain is a weird organ.

[@eddybrock7818]

don't scare the shit out of me like that

[@AdamScott-k3d]

I think I posted something similar to what I'm posting here as a comment somewhere else on YT in the last few years, maybe on some other video on this channel, maybe not. So I apologize for wasting your time with the following small book if you've heard this before. But, just like everyone else (to varying degrees), you've got a beak issue, my fellow finch. Bear with me for this terrible simile. Or don't. The situation with the brains of humans has strong parallels to the situation with the beaks of the Galapagos finches. Two or three million years ago, a small population of finches, carried by some combination of riding on flotsam and/or flight, landed on the Galapagos Islands in a remote nook of the Pacific Ocean. Some islands had a lot of tough-to-crack seeds, some had a lot of insect life living inside trees or other plants, some had cactus plants full of juice, some had deep-sleeping larger birds full of blood, and so on. The finches in a particular area that had mostly one of these sources of nutrition evolved to be suited to that. They were able to process a resource in the world around them more effectively than others. And just like food sources, those seeds or grubworms or cactus sap or bird blood, INFORMATION IS A RESOURCE. The thing is, as far as we know, the finches do not care what their beak-related issues are labeled. But what matters to the finch is, if that finch is in a situation where the food source it's best at processing is scarce or absent, sometimes it starves to death. BUT BUT, sometimes a finch does something as a strategy to compensate. Only big tough seeds around but you are a finch with a small, woodpecker-like beak? Drop rocks on the seeds until some of them crack open. Only cacti around but you are a "vampire finch" with a razor-sharp but fragile beak? Cactus sap isn't as energy-packed as blood sipped from a sleeping blue-footed booby, but it beats starving. I concede that human brains are MANY orders of magnitude more complex than finch beaks, but I do stand by two statements on this issue. One, its core is the same basic problem, one of how to function in a not-always-perfectly-compatible environment. And two, external tools (whether rocks or self-monitoring or something else) can be a valuable part of a coping strategy that sometimes can work to compensate for beaks or brains that process resources differently. Just, uh, try not to think too hard about how the Galapagos finches have speciated (separated into distinct species that can no longer interbreed) over the course of three million years, or you just might think about what this concept might imply for the future of homo sapiens a hundred thousand or so generations in the future. Or maybe trying not to think too hard about that is exactly how a subspecies starts to branch off. Yay, nightmare fuel.

[@Lantern_Light]

So what I’m hearing is your different enough to have difficulty overall but not impaired enough to get help in the way they can help you. An unhappy medium. I’m sorry. And I hope you do well

[@fryzeec9054]

You'd make a great malkavian.

[@Stallaa]

Mood

[@vxicepickxv]

I suspect it would be easier to get a proper diagnosis if you didn't have alienation happening on top of everything else, but that's an entirely different problem on top of everything else.

[@BAGELMENSK]

Much like a uh... Real...?... demon.. the journey to find it's true name and control it is often far more difficult than simply beating it down witha magic sword until it returns to hell. Does anyone have a magic sword i can borrow.

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

I mean, you can have all of them.

[@johnElden8760]

i mdiagnosed mysilf with adhd and called it a day, no need to waste my time for some diagnosis

[@n0etic_f0x]

It is weird and I have done the same thing to an extent, I am generally autistic and I found this out in therapy while trying to get over being an alcoholic. I gave quote _"Thirty minutes of non-standard answers and many answers that are only forthcoming after a far longer time. I feel like I am being studied at all times by you and you have run all four sessions so far"_ To which, I just said "Well that is A) why I am here. To get over that shit but B) I am studying you and everyone else, you at the very least appear to be watching the human zoo with me but make no mistake you are still being studied at all times" I then got a new therapist who through legal fuckery got me my autism diagnosis and into the hands of a therapist who could deal with this. Many of my methods are what are very bad for most people. On Halloween, I just went no contact fully hedonistic for five days, it works for me to do this but is nonetheless a very bad idea for most.

[@mortifidpenguin]

It also doesn't help that Psychology as a dicipline ((especially in its current form)) is reletively recent and there are still many pockets within that community that either hold on to or are at least somewhat biased by its very pseudo scientific origins. To that point I would say it very much behooves those of us who suffer with mental illness to do our best to keep updated on current literature on the subject. And not solely rely on the psychatrists. This is not to say we should utterly dismiss psychatric professionals. As you mentioned they very much are (In most cases) professionally trained on the subject and have good insights into mental health from a scientific point of view. But having a better understanding of the science itself at least in my experience has allowed for better comunication of the things that rattle around in my brain.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

I never want a label because it can just as easily be weirlded as an excuse _not_ to take any potential problems I have seriously. "Oh he's X -- I can now switch off my brain about what he think or just said or may need because he is now in pidegonhole X and I know everythign about him and this stuation." "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" -- Know what I'm saying? The label people have been the most determined to saddle me with is autism based on . . . nothing whatsoever. I'm like Burgerkrig in that even if it's apparent that I'm unusual, whatever it is that's going on is the kind of thing that could not possibly be autisim. I'm willing to accept that my experience doesn't line up with that of most people, but nothing about that requires us to assume I have a disorder. Having an unusual personality type, for example, isn't a neurosis. But only 1% of people are INFP and have all the needs and aspirations which go with that. An obvious point of conflict between me and society is that society is coked up on money. Money means very little to me. the things that have always brought me the most joy in meaning in life are disiplines, witnessing nature, exploring my psyche, learning new things, creationing now things, the connections I have with other people, near and far -- none of which require any particualr hyperabundance of material resources or the psychotic power to warp and subjegate the life trajectories of other people. But that stuff seems to be what the world gets off on and then accuses you and me for being insane for not wanting that.

[@rosslambda9613]

take care burgers

[@setit783]

You're describing my mental condition perfectly, i just say im schizo and thats it, because it can include literally anything if you want, so i dont care, its not even as much of a label for me as just "im weird", like officially im schizophrenic, ocd, ptsd and like, thats too many labels lmao and i dont care

[@isonnol]

🎈

[@AtibaVV]

We have the same disease

[@kyledowning6775]

The main character in my novel Maria's diagnosed with clinical depression, but conventional methods didn't work, so she thought outside the box and became a highly-skilled combat specialist. Regular slice of life stuff like gaming and music help to varying degrees too.

[@jamespeterson1708]

Fellow son of Malkav

[@grindcoreninja6527]

Your boyfriend must be a real one though, good on him.

[@walterkruse348]

3:48 I personally think this is more a side effect of Internet culture and its understanding (or lack thereof) of Autism spectrum disorders, along with the popularization of therapy-speak. Specifically, I think there's a tendency to conflate being analytical and thinking deeply about different subjects, while also being a bit unusual or awkward, with being on the spectrum. It's basically the modern version of how previous generations thought of anyone who was a little different and had high academic achievement or just seemed smarter than average as a "Nerd". Now, you're not a "Nerd" (cuz that word means different things now than it used to), you're "Autistic". Interesting to see how these memes evolve over time.

[@TheGrinningViking]

If you aren't disabled by a mental condition and you can handle things with talk therapy then you can handle it with meditation and a good support group as well. Get genetic tests, they'll cover the one for medication effectiveness to save them money and you can research any odd results and learn about any conditions. Get a Lyme disease, MRI, and other tests for disease if the psychiatrists can't help, it might be something outside normal brain function disorders or trauma causing you pain and distress. I got autism, the asperger's kind that's still used as a category in the UK and very useful to differentiate from the people who can't support themselves (ex: can't speak, aren't online, have parents who would reasonably like a cure) but that makes autism keyboard warriors who think the world (3 billion) should change for them (1 person) instead of learning to deal REALLY screech at me for disagreeing with them. They clearly aren't disabled and can blow off though. I'm less functional than them and I figured this out, they can too. I also have fibromyalgia. My knee is twitching right now. My skin hurts where it's touching the bed under me. I'm using a stylus to type because my joints all hurt and I have many joints in my hands. That's a disability. I'm disabled. Sucks.

[@TheGrinningViking]

Some tips after my 20+ year diagnosis struggle anyways.

[@brianzmek7272]

I think Burgers typology of neurodivergent symptoms is missing 2 catagories that will help people cope with and accept there symptoms. There are some symptoms that are all upside at least in yor society but this one is kind unnecessary for burgers admirable advice so leaving it out is good. The actually important missing type is differences that are simultaneously an objective cost and an objective benefit for example as a dislexic i perceive the word differently than most people and see patterns they do not but miss things they find obvious and yoy cant have one without the other. That said i do believe the 3 types burger lays out 1 neutral symptoms. 2 objectively harmful symptoms. 3 symptoms that are only harmful because of society. I suspect that Burger and I disagree strongly on what are the social cases and propoer treatment for the things that in a perfect society would not be disabilities but we both agree they exist i wish more people on both sides would be as thoughtful and intlectualy honest as Burger is on this and other issues as he is one if a very few of the people on his side willing to call out people misusing self diagnosis just like i am one of the few on my side who willingly defends its proper use.

[@NuwandaLunaDragon]

00:14 me

[@blackfrost9011]

I’m not sure I believe any diagnosis can’t be truly accurate for any of us. I think all 8 billions of us each have a totally different and unique disorder. The blanket disorders are just super vague, broad attempts at defining something that can’t truly be defined. But yeah, therapy is important and helpful and everyone should try it if it’s at all an option in my opinion

[@kgb4150]

Do antipsychotics help with your depression? If so, it could be compounded with schitzophrenic symptoms to be classified as Schitzoaffective disorder. A diagnosis obviously isn't helpful from a random on the internet. But this is how I was diagnosed with the disorder by several qualified professionals. Also, is German healthcare so fucked that you can't even get a formal diagnosis and prescription?

[@kgb4150]

​@@Bmac_GamingVery much so, yes! I can now concentrate, function in a society and work unimpaired!

[@fardinfahim3478]

What are you studying at uni that's so cool!

[@TheBurgerkrieg]

Geography

[@fardinfahim3478]

@@TheBurgerkrieg huh!

[@valentinbonnarde9345]

I agree whole-heartedly, although I'm only a psychologist, not a psychiatrist, I'm not allowed to diagnose people medically, but to me it doesn't take a medical degree to say that someone has a certain disease or not. It takes having a brain, empathy, curiosity and honesty. Having a degree doesn't necessarily garantee that. But if you do have that, which is not that much, then it's incredibly easy to diagnose someone, just look up the symptoms in the DSM and see if it matches. Or use a questionnaire to see how severe your symptoms are. That's what psychiatrists and psychologists do to assess someone. They don't have magic super-diagnosis power. What they have, though, hopefully, is time dedicated to understanding you and helping you through your own personal issues. There is no one-size-fits-all.

[@uncledimmi1660]

...not really sure why you're talking up psychologists so hard when it sounds like most of them have fobbed you off. These people aren't "scientists" they're not practicing "science" they're not conducting experiments and helping contribute to solving the mysteries of the mind. They're taking a fat paycheck for comparing your symptoms to a list, and literally shrugging and telling you to move on if you don't have enough points for conditions rich people have decided are legitimate mental health concerns because it would interfere too much with your ability to be exploited. You had to get your help from reddit.

[@merc1988]

You're alright man. You're normal just like the rest of us, living in this sh!t show.

[@schmdtmnn]

Dude you sound like me.