5 Petty Reasons Why Oblivion Is Better Than Skyrim

[@lordlorkhan4522]

Oblivion: you need recommendations from all guild halls to enter the university. Skyrim: do you know how to cast fireball?

[@powderabutt8160]

I had to cast flames, and I was a High Elf so I thought since they are so gifted with magic then I should get something a little difficult

[@leonardobarros9322]

@fuckface unstoppable Actually: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmWzpn56i8dnjbs

[@account-pb2df]

@@leonardobarros9322 i was literally thinking of the same video

[@Frendlu]

Sadly the Mages recomendations could be better. For example, conjuring, I don't know, some Scamps or esqueletons, asking you a potion that only you can do if you have more than 25 at alchemy.... I don't know, something to show that you have some expierence doing magic. If you can do all the magic quest without magic, well, they're a poblem.

[@joejosa8467]

Not even, just yell at her as dragon born.

[@Jos4390]

-dragonborn: *Saved the world like 5 times* -guards: citizen

[@egedenizgogen7978]

Also you are a fucking thane too...that lil shit should call you "sir."

[@mpradeepnair]

" Hands to yourself, _sneak thief_ "

[@Jos4390]

@@egedenizgogen7978 and i have 16 of stealth and sneak

[@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481]

Champion of Cyrodill: *saves the world repeatedly* Guard: "I saw a mudcrab the other day."

[@Fenris2]

Oblivion saves the world Guard:my god you stopped the oblivion crisis

[@camazettz]

Oblivion had a hand to hand skill. It's extremely satisfying boxing your way through hell and back and actually getting rewarded for it. Also if you got to a 50 in that skill you could punch ghosts

[@TonyNguyenFR]

I don't know why but this made me laugh. Have a like.

[@migueltorres1949]

I missed the boxing mechanics too bro, in skyrim you just throw haymakers like an idiot without blocks and combinations.

[@kremmet5221]

I'm in the middle of my first Karate play through of Oblivion, and it's awesome.

[@BryantVonMiller]

Punching a fucking ghost. A being of supernatural origin, that cannot be affected by any normal means. Punching. A. Ghost. With. Your. Hands. It's so fucking badass. I wish we could also use our feet/legs for awesome kick ass fighting moves

[@Dylan-xm6ix]

I really want to like this, but it's currently at 69...

[@SplendidFellow]

Even though it's really awkward and cringey, I absolutely love the voice acting and NPC AI in Oblivion. You could hear that the voice actors of Oblivion were really into it, they put their hearts into it and had fun with it. Even though it's derpy, and there's some sort of mental and physical affliction that has taken hold of every NPC, it's hilarious and it somehow added to the charm of Oblivion. Skyrim doesn't have that.

[@jamesmccloud7535]

"Oh did somebody stole your sweetroll?????"

[@Sazandora123]

Skyrim's voice acting is so wooden and stilted, yeah. So many voice types have almost no emotion to their lines at all, it's like listening to robots talking to each other.

[@hydro1096]

I could feel the anger in lucien lechances voice when he yells at the player in oblivion. I havent had a single moment in skyrim where I thought a character was so raging mad that he was gonna jump out of the screen and murder me

[@gutsjoestar7450]

Bruh Skyrim NPC's are better. They are more developed AI. They feel more alive. Oblivion funnier

[@kacperaskawski3461]

@@Sazandora123 in polish version voice actors did a great job, but when I listen to english version it is just lacking any emotions and deep.

[@ronaldraygun6304]

My biggest reason for liking oblivion better than Skyrim is enemy variety. One can only fight so many draugrs, dragons, bandits, and falmer before getting bored. The world of cyrodil felt so much more mythical and magical with all its creatures and beasts. Not to mention the first time I ran into a Minotaur I almost shat myself.

[@TheEpicSimplicity]

@Mr diddle SAME. haven't played ESO since i was a kid, sneaking around because i was scared of everything. Just now learning about all the cool shit.

[@oliversantillan8105]

@Mr diddle i am really glad that I'm not the only one that started playing oblivion during this quarantine. This is the first time, and yes, I almost die of fear when I saw my first minotaur.

[@ElGaby323]

The ManAmongMidgets Oblivion had the most generic enemies of the entire series. Minotaurs are the only cool ones.

[@yottakat1069]

@Mr diddle oh God I'm scared to play now

[@KRay60]

very true but the dungeon crawling is awful in oblivion its just a series of copy pasted rooms and the ayleid ruins are boring. I think skyrim really shines in the dungeon department and peaked with the dragonborn dlc

[@jacksonweseman3391]

I like how it's called petty reasons even though most of these are perfectly legitimate criticisms of skyrim

[@masterblaster2678]

Some of them are petty. I think anyone that says combat in Oblivion is better than Skyrim is delusional. I'm not saying Skyrim's combat is good, ES isn't really good at making good combat. But Oblivion's combat is way worse than Skyrim's. It feels clunky, the character swings too fast, everything takes ages to kill, the only reaction they give to being hit is "bwaaaargh" whereas in Skyrim they actually stumble back a bit (about the "not being able to attack after being attacked" part in Oblivion, I agree, Oblivion did that better than Skyrim), drawing a bow has the flection feeling in Skyrim while in Oblivion it's like there is no flection, you're just pulling back the arrow in the air, and finally, killcams are great. Even after seeing the same animation many times, they're still fun to see. It gives different camera angles, and it's satisfying. Don't tell me you don't like slashing at a Forsworn's knees and decapitating them while they're on their knees with dramatic camera angles for the 100th time. I won't believe it. And adding danger to spellmaking wouldn't solve the problem of spellmaking. Todd said it's too "spreadsheety", it means that the system requires too much textbook knowledge. Yes, it's basically dumbing down the game in one more way (Skyrim's really obsessed with dumbing things down, I can see that because I'm not wearing any goggles that have nostalgia written on them.) But I bet many people had to read many guides just to get a grasp on how spellmaking works in previous games. Whether that's fun or not is up to the player I guess. Other than that, all the other complaints are perfectly valid.

[@jacksonweseman3391]

@@masterblaster2678 I see your point, and yeah ES doesn't have good combat, skyrim's is a bit more hype but at the end of the day its pretty much just swing until the enemy dies and block when the power attack comes. The main thing is the story and progression of the character, and what you can do with it, like oblivion gives you the acrobatics tree and you can use that to find a clever way around dungeons and stuff, whereas skyrim feels a bit too streamlined. And I like the spell making but yeah it is a bit spreadsheety. I will fully admit I do have the nostalgia goggles on, but I liked the cross of classic morrowind CRPG style and streamlined modern day RPG oblivion does. But I do see your points. :)

[@siimad2988]

@Master Blaster ive only just gotten into oblivion, i simply prefer the combat. i just finished skyrim earlier, too. i dont know what it is about skyrim combat, i feel like the lack of movement made spell casting boring, i preferred to dart around the room chucking fireballs at the enemy, with skyrim it just feels too formulaic; i get my fireball spell, use it a few times until the enemy gets too close, if they die before they get to me, lovely, if they dont, i swing at them with a mace. i will agree that oblivion combat *felt* more uneventful to play, but skyrim was just 2 tanks duking it out from what i played. max oblivion difficulty is more fun because i can work out the most optimal way to move around the room to prevent the miniboss hitting me. with skyrim you just have to play slightly more defensive and have better gear/more potions edit: didn’t articulate myself well enough skyrim combat: very formulaic, very character level based. legendary difficulty simply required more defensive play style and better gear. i did like the legend of zelda feel where you get stronger and ace a boss once they kill you already oblivion: more wacky tools at your disposal, but less eventful combat. i liked how the combat wasn’t as power based, instead you had to utilise all the wacky tools at your disposal. extreme difficulties were are more skill based and generally more fun to play because of this

[@Opethfeldt]

I think when you're critiquing a game as hallowed as Skyrim, you gotta tread softly by labeling it as pettiness.

[@jacksonweseman3391]

@@siimad2988 I agree tbh, oblivion feels more replayable because I feel like you can make more in depth, almost D&D style characters, each run being different, whereas skyrim I feel that level of deep experimentation was lost. Obviously Oblivion's experimentation pales in comparison to Morrowind's class system, but this is oblivion vs skyrim we're talking about here.

[@anarmedrat8966]

Dragonborn: *Becomes the hero of the Unnamed Faction (edit), Saves the world from vampires, Saves the world from Alduin, the WORLD EATER* Vilkas: I've never even heard of this outsider. (edit): There, now stop being mad.

[@MarcoBMark-rt6ke]

Metal Blade but they don’t acknowledge you saved them

[@swetaros]

@@MarcoBMark-rt6ke no, unlike in skyrim they actually do. in oblivion you can walk pass guard and they'll go "The hero of Kvatch. This is truly an honor"

[@jamesbudd3096]

@@swetaros plus if you complete the questline you get a statue made into your honor. If you become the divine crusader they will even address that. If you become champ of the Arena people will comment about your fight with the gray prince. In skyrim I can do anything, ANYTHING!!! and people still treat me like I started the game

[@VeemaMusic]

*Stormcloaks

[@МихаилХруник]

@@VeemaMusic *Empire

[@SGTBizarro]

The lack of spellmaking is still my main gripe with Skyrim. It's an essential part of being a mage. Most of mages' time is spent on research and study. Well what are they researching and studying? The answer is... magical sources, magical properties, magical interactions, magical devices, and SPELLS.

[@shadowstrider5033]

The lack of underwater spell casting bugs me just as much. Water-breathing would have been way more useful if the player could cast it underwater. All of the self affecting spells should have been cast-able underwater.

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

Yeah and like half the spells from Oblivion got removed in Skyrim

[@CorgyOntoppya]

Right hand: Sword Left hand: Shield Middle hand: Fireball Truly the Hero of Kvatch was gifted.

[@callumkristofer7793]

You don't have a middle hand.

[@aureliofelix3335]

​@@callumkristofer7793 i have... Actually, i have a middle leg.

[@callumkristofer7793]

@@aureliofelix3335 No way.

[@projectzeromortals798]

@@callumkristofer7793 I think he means the 'delicate part' of the male body

[@callumkristofer7793]

@@projectzeromortals798 Oh

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

I miss the Imperial guards will chase you as if you were Sarah Connor. One guard chased me from the western part of Oblivion the eastern part killing bears and bandits along the way.

[@Phantom_Zer0]

Brotherhood ofSteel - "then pay with your blood ".

[@campbellfranklyn7192]

@Falk M Watch The Terminator then.

[@Benkenobi8118]

Adamus Phillida is one of the best missions. I love walking into the guard barracks frenzying everyone and then running out and hearing the ping, "Adamus Phillida has died" to friendly guard fire tantrum spirals. Then every single guard in Leyawijn goes berserk and you have to flee the city.. until it breaks and you can waltz right into the guard barracks again, no bounty whatsoever.

[@Benkenobi8118]

"You're the Grand Champion! I saw your match!" "you mind while I peruse this crime scene? Thanks very much".

[@callmemandyNL]

Lmfao

[@jamesallen1816]

Oblivion’s guild quest lines are way better. In fact, the stories are just better generally.

[@Warp2567]

Dark Brotherhood, sure in Oblivion it was far better. The Thieves Guild are both decent, so that's a tie. The Mages Guild quest in Oblivion is nothing but fetch this, collect that, and all quests can be done by sneak and persuasion. Not much magic involved really, except creating a staff. Skyrim's Mage quest was better, because at least two instances involve the requirement of magic, and there was more than just kill this and fetch that. Overall, Oblivion guild quests were a bit better, but it's nothing to rave on about. Oblivion main quest was trash. The Oblivion Realm dungeons were the worst thing about that game ever, period

[@sinnithael7707]

@@Warp2567 What ? The Thieves Guild in skyrim is a discount Fighters guild. The Last Quest "The Ultimate Heist" was Legendary. Skyrims "Mage" Guild sucked ass, show me you can cast firebolt! OHHHH LORD AN SAVIOR pls become arch mage. Literally after your first magic lesson EVER you are send to a dangerous ruin and find one of the most power full artifacts in existence. Let the Dungeons and Oblivion Reals be bad ok thats alright along as the quest in there are amusing, unlike skyrims. Every Guild in Skyrim is the Same Go there kill that fetch this and BOOM Guild Leader!

[@alldayagain]

I feel like for how vast the game is, a reduction of story was necessary Apparently there were a tone of cut content to allow the player the freedom to do events in any order

[@SplendidFellow]

The thieves guild was WAY better in Oblivion. I love that you go to Armand Christophe and say "jobs" expecting to be given a quest, and he sarcastically taunts you for it. "Jobs? What do you mean *jobs?* You're a thief! Look. You find a likely place, wait til night, sneak in and case the joint. Get it? Go!"

[@Warp2567]

@@sinnithael7707 You do know that ruins you were sent to, after the first Magic Lesson in Skyrim, was to learn about the history of magic, right? Seems fitting after a first lesson of magic, is it not?? It just so happens your character discovered one of the most powerful artifacts ever, which your character CAN'T EVEN USE, so what's the problem with that story? Seems to me you haven't played alot of Skyrim at all. Probably just watched people play it on youtube, then formed your own biased opinion because of your nostalgia and blind love of Oblivion. Lol that Ultimate Heist quest from thieves guild was the longest, most drawn out quest. It became extremely redundant. Nothing to rave about

[@madidezirae]

I love how dedicated Oblivion was to building large, creative environments. Such as the planes of Oblivion, and the Shivering Isles. When you were transported to those places, it helped add so much depth and interest to the entire game. The Shivering Isles specifically is also one of my favorite places to explore and experience in game. The color scheme, the array of different plants and creatures, it's twisted nature. Every person has a different personality. And spending time with Sheogorath and becoming his champion was just badass entirely. Who doesn't want to become a mad Daedric prince's champion? Oblivion also had a stronger feeling of saving the world and being the hero, compared to Skyrim. Yeah dragons are scary, but compared to the recesses of Hell opening up that are full of mutilated corpses, blood, lava, torture devices and terrifying enemies, dragons are nothing. I also love how the sky turns red when close to an Oblivion gate. It's such a small but thoughtful detail that always scared the shit out of me, especially when stumbling upon a gate in the middle of no where.

[@MeeSanFrancisco]

You hit the nail on the head!

[@dazcarrr]

the room at the beginning of the shivering isles fading into butterflies is still one of the coolest intro sequences

[@blinkerz4676]

also trying to play and find every thing in the game requires you to read ten bibles worth of text. Morrowwind is just a fancy book

[@matiasvonbischhoffshausen1307]

Just getting to the Sigil Keep in Oblivion gives players at least 20 situations were they could die, since the Realms are filled with traps and strong enemies. In Skyrim, you can kill a dragon the first time they land with the right equipment, making them a minor threat at times

[@thegoon3088]

on god after the second oblivion plane it was just a fucking chore

[@borislavarnaudov475]

Honestly, Riverwood is more of a city than Winterhold.

[@jakeklein6002]

Borislav Arnaudov only because of the Great Collapse.

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

Borislav Arnaudov Nope nope aaaaaand nope, you lit clearly don't know the definition of a city than do you??

[@ninjasam98caldwell43]

Borislav Arnaudov I get what you mean like winter hold just looks depressing but river wood is smaller but more liked

[@jtmon2049]

The Great Collapse happened about 80yrs before the game starts. Are you telling me that nobody gave a shit at rebuilding it after all that time? Why can't the Mage Guild just conjure some hammers and fix their damn bridge already.

[@alexheyne5496]

That's kind of on purpose...

[@unknowninfinium4353]

Dark brotherhood was way better in oblivion than sky rim.

[@bluelenaeevee2053]

THAT IS SO TRUE! And Shadowmere was such a cool gift in oblivion too. In skyrim it can die.. Boring!

[@16ahmeett56]

Finally, i found someone who also think that the dark brotherhood is way better than the one in Skyrim

[@vitormaodevaca8469]

@@bluelenaeevee2053 yeah,shadowmere ''can'' die in skyrim she just...comes back to life after a while,so yeah

[@juslenjeyatharan1004]

Doesn't hold a candle to the Morrowind struggle of the Morag Tong vs the Dark Brotherhood (and the honor of the Morag Tong not being confused with the Camonna Tong)

[@gabagool3928]

@@juslenjeyatharan1004 Morrowind quests are pretty poor by today's standards mechanically. The writing and lore is what makes Morrowind great but the mechanics have aged horribly.

[@BladedAngel]

1:45 As someone who was introduced to the Elder Scrolls via Skyrim, I SO FELT BETRAYED about city size. I thought playing Oblivion would be a step back, but I was pleasantly surprised at how amazing it felt as a world compared to Skyrim. I sincerely hope ES6 doesn't F that up. Also on the note of combat. Oblivion visually feels like I'm swinging a twig, but gameplay wise, it feels impactful Skyrim visually feels impactful, but gameplay wise I'm swinging a twig (and in turn, being hit by them too)

[@gnuling296]

That's nicely put. I wouldn't have come up with that comparison but reading it I can only agree.

[@frankcastle4779]

Yes the towns in oblivion were much bigger than Skyrim. I was kinda disappointed when I first played Skyrim.

[@MotivGuy94]

Love you videos, glad to know you also love oblivion lol

[@bruhtholemew]

I'd actually expect less from TESVI. Just look at the differences from Morrowind to Oblivion. Beth simplifies things with every new installment.

[@MotivGuy94]

Another thing too i felt the guilds all around were better in oblivion.

[@TheLoneCourier2077]

The adoring fan followed me into the Mythic Dawn Hideout during the quest where you act like one of them and got murdered

[@juanayon231]

It's fun how you can take him literally anywhere and kill him in many different ways. My adoring fan in some random oblivion gate I found near Bruma

What a shame, he was a good man. What a rotten way to die.

[@midway3998]

I closed him in the oblivion gate of Skingrad

[@kuddy198]

I keep him locked in my house 😅

[@mariammontaser7843]

Same! But he respawned near the arena like 2 in game days later

[@Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

i personally loved the persuasion wheel minigame in Oblivion. hearing their sassy lines and faces change always made me laugh :)

[@jackmarston8337]

And I still love watching people not understanding how it works.

[@Jayce800]

Kynaz Fawkes And I love not understanding how it works and avoiding it altogether

[@Brickblox]

I love just spamming "give gold" until their my best friend

[@gunnsorde372]

Give money get friends

[@spindash64]

BarbaryBeast I still need that gold

[@justonerandomguy6580]

Oblivion’s city design was imo better. Especially the main city in the shivering isles

[@necrobynerton7384]

speaking of design the wolf in skyrim looks pretty shit. its like taking a wolf, starving it, painting it dark grey and literaly throwing it into water and abandon it on a forest drenched in water. tthe wolf's design in oblivion is mountaiins better than skyrim's.

[@savethebees275]

Never played that expansion but damn I remember being disappointed by the size of cities in skyrim. As someone who was amazed by the layout of imperial city when I played it when I was young:I was fully expecting way bigger(or at least the size of) that city. I had my hope's up for each new city I visited in skyrim: "Solitude is the capital of Skyrim, surely this must be a huge city!" Despite it being a cool design, underwhelming city size.

[@savethebees275]

I remember when nazeem said "have you been to the cloud district?" And thinking w "Wow I cant wait to go there, a whole unexplored part of whiterun!" And then found out I walked through the whole thing in about 6 seconds.

[@masterblaster2678]

@@savethebees275 Solitude felt really empty and somber. Fitting for it's name. I agree though, rest of the cities should've gotten better treatment. Whiterun is like, not even a third of a city in Oblivion. If you want big cities, play Daggerfall. You'll get lost in no time.

[@mrsauceman5721]

@@necrobynerton7384 Also the Nordic accents are complete bullshit, the imense dissapointment will never get beyond me.

[@Janthony92]

I miss being able to use magic while being able to use a sword and shield. Playing a paladin type character really sucked in skyrim because you had to keep switching between magic/shield. It really take me out of combat

[@Bauglir100]

I imagine they did that to give the Shouts their own dedicated button. Hopefully they will go back to the old system, since the Shouts will most likely be gone in The Elder Scrolls VI.

[@tranquilmagister8481]

i would say you should then use onehanded and a improve armor rating spell such as stoneflesh in the other

[@youtubeshadowbannedme]

Yeah that's what I suspect too, that they made Dragon Shouts a bigger priority than magicka spells

[@vavra222]

Also Skyrim´s magic got cucked super hard imho. In higher levels you start to notice that all the +dmg enchantments are for bows and melee weapons... there is nothing like that for magic except the reduced mana cost bullshit. I really hated going around and spamming fucking nuclear explosines like crazy, because they were barely doing anything anymore.

[@KarmasAB123]

I also miss being able to block with my weapon sheathed.

[@dirt416]

100% agree on the scale part skyrim seems tiny to oblivion, why do bandit camps have more people than some cities?

[@gianmarcogramegna9744]

RC Jelly cause bandits are the true citizens of skyrim. Unarmed people are only the rebel invaders

[@thestranger4894]

Gianmarco Gramegna is it weird I kinda regret choosing stormcloak now?

[@vitormaodevaca8469]

@@thestranger4894 you SHOULD regret choosing the stromcloaks

[@Mindprinter]

The dark Brotherhood quest were waaay better in Oblivion imo. It was darker and longer. And the ways to kill someone, especially on this "party quest in Skingrad".

[@theragie0986]

I cheated and added like 100 poison apples throughout the house. It was glorious.

[@MixSonaProductions]

Party quest is definitely not linear and fun

[@tranquilmagister8481]

@@podrumkaleto5042 yup guys, i totally wasn't there xD

[@SkatePunkBanana]

I started Oblivion for the first time ever last year after playing Skyrim pretty much since release. I liked the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim so I decided to join it in Oblivion. I was surprised when I heard the orc talking about how he killed a Nord girl at her 5th or 6th birthday. I knew the Dark Brotherhood was bad but they were never shown as being just straight evil in Skyrim because a lot of their victims were wronged by whoever made the contract.

[@patricksoares6253]

@@SkatePunkBanana I heard that line yesterday, I was shocked too.

[@vatzfu]

Being able to cast spells without the need to unequip anything

[@IzzySarru]

That is nice, but...so is dual casting.

[@gugalldiznii383]

thank you! I never liked how you had to "equip" spells in Skyrim. Sure it looked more cinematic, but I don't like pausing to rearrange what's in my hands to switch from weapons to magic. I had at least wished that whatever weapons you had in your inventory in Skyrim, or most recently used weapons, would be on your character (back, sides etc) while they cast spells.

[@prometheus5218]

@@gugalldiznii383 Favorise your spells with F, open the menu with Q and hotkey the spells with numbers...Jesus its the same effect but more immersive

[@CoffeeSnep]

@A Random Dude dude why do you hate Oblivon so much? The dual cast system made it impossible to play a hybrid class, and that's pretty bad considering a mage class in skyrim is complete shit. That is until you reach magika cost zero and then it breaks the game.

[@CoffeeSnep]

@A Random Dude that is not true, and you know nothing about how I play. Technically yes its possible, but it just sucks so hard. Its not an opinion, it just sucks. It takes a dedicated build to do, and then it fares much worse than an equal build on fighting or stealth. Then at the very end its insanely overpowered just from enchantments, and doesn't take any other sort of build to excel with.

[@TheSpliceer]

also oblivion had seperate pants

[@trevorgreenly4589]

TheSpliceer best point made so far

[@spartanq7781]

TheSpliceer Oh I fucking hate how Skyrim conjured them into one slot. Oblivion already annoyingly got rid of the layered armor system. Skyrim opts to make it worse instead of improving it.

[@Conzor52]

All thats left is too now mesh the boots in as well. No more shall you be able to mismatch your armor for fashion.

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

Trevor Greenly lol

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

Spartan Q77 What is a "layered armour" system?

[@RonanAquilius]

obviously the biggest reason why oblivion is better is because of the memes

[@rustyfool3740]

2vain4u I would digress

[@shrodinger17]

i agree wholeheartedly

[@wyattcaldwell4658]

skooma

[@d3-embro]

That's definitely part of it

[@helpmereach690subscribers3]

*_S T O P Y O U V E V I O L A T E D T H E L A W_*

[@TraK19]

The best thing about Oblivion is: my poor Windows 7 with 4GB RAM, 1.6Ghz and Intel Graphics can handle it

[@bovrar2nd861]

I feel that bro. One day we will have the experience we deserve with those games.

[@IndyMiraaga]

But my pc with 16 gigs of ram, a gtx 1060 3gb and a 8 core 4ghz processor can't because the amd fx series sucks

[@vinvinthegreat]

@@IndyMiraaga weird flex, but okay

[@joshharvey2093]

The Royal Guard wzc

[@officialexploitacademy]

@@IndyMiraaga GTX 2080 Super, Ryzen 9 12 core 4.0 Ghz over clocked, 24 thread count, 32 GB 3200 ram, and 970 Evo SSD at 3 gbs read/ write

[@zevbl8970]

I prefer Oblivion's magic system solely for the fact that you can still cast spells while using a bow

[@musicbox7601]

LuckyZevanns 88 variety of gameplay was lost in skyrim. I made an account based around two-handed sword use and it felt like they had no place in the game. There isn't stun, every weapon in the game can just continuously power attack making it seem like they aren't even much better. You can't use magic at the same time as a two hander but you can duel weild staves in this game. It feels like they forgot about this class and added it solely because it existed in the prior games

[@Psycosis13]

I hated that you can't just raise a shield in Skyrim. You have to take out your sword and shield then block.

[@TheFoxHound626]

LuckyZevanns 88 heck yeah

[@El_Donahuego]

Skyrim is weird because Blade, Blunt, and Axe are now one skill, but Pickpocket became a separate skill entirely from Sneak.

[@randeschamps7101]

@Velociocraptor that's probably for the best giving the perk system my problem is the amount of spell effects missing like absorb or drain. Magic in skyrim lookes cool but lacks flexibility.

[@utisti4976]

@Velociocraptor And WHERE IS MY LEVITATION SPELLS?? ;-;

[@beganfish]

@toaritok Thats very incorrect. The difference between using a sword, an axe or a mace is MUCH bigger than using it one or two handed. There are things like egde alignment, momentum, parrying and reach that each are different and must be accounted for. The only read difference between one and two handed is leveraging your second hand.

[@mahn3580]

ΛutistiЄ you’re forgetting about the existence of buckets in Skyrim

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

@toaritok probanly not. If one trained the art of sword and became a master with it, he would not be as good with an axe because it requires only one hand. If you were skilled with a longsword it doesnt mean you are good with a bow because it is two handed :/

[@grayfox311]

Skyrim: *Robs Jarl/steward/maid/thalmor/every rich npc in town* "Wait...I know you" Oblivion: *Picks up fork* "IT'S ALL OVER LAWBREAKER"

[@mrsauceman5721]

YOUR SPREE IS AT AN END

[@damaraufa9575]

*THEN PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD*

[@plamaoverstrike]

YOUR STOLEN GOODS ARE NOW FORFEIT

[@tennobytemusic1529]

STOP! YOU VIOLATED THE LAW! PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE!

[@spookydascary3543]

PAY THE COURT A FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE

[@chaos-mz6ru]

When i played oblivion my character was a khajiit with 100 acrobats and would jump out of the city walls and float past the edge of the map and fall down to the bottom of the whole map

[@IneffableEntity]

my favorite part of that game is feeling like u went from a weakling to a godlike vampire mage.

[@Fenris2]

I never wasted the spring heel jack boots because I had level 80 in it so I got a bonus item

[@fenixchief7]

Immersion

[@fazegci3378]

@@Fenris2 damn I wish I did that

[@instantramenhair4103]

That's not possible there's collision at the end of the map even with no collision command u still couldn't do that. That part of the map technically doesn't exist unless u are in a city......

[@scumbad7953]

Faces in Oblivion may have been ugly but all the npcs were thicc 😤👌

[@adamxei9073]

Yeah but in real life there's a lot of ugly people

[@paramike97]

the ugly faces really aren't a big deal tbh you can just download oblivion character overhaul

[@joehill4094]

Nothing intelligent has ever followed emojis

[@scumbad7953]

Jacob Simpson Well it's a good thing the emojis were at the end of the sentence

[@Yapperofthecentury97]

You fucking win

[@fendiputraasaprilana1667]

Oblivion: Horse armor Skyrim: No horse armor

[@gptechnologiesmangalore6909]

The horse armor was useless anyway didnt even protect the horse

[@juanayon231]

@@gptechnologiesmangalore6909 it was a joke, the only horse you really need is shadowmere and it's invincible. Horse armor pack was one of the first oblivion addons and is more of a meme now, The xbox reviews are just people making jokes about it

[@peterstangl8295]

@@juanayon231 it's a good petty reason though

[@gptechnologiesmangalore6909]

@@juanayon231 i know

[@manz7860]

Id pay 10 dollars for it

[@ArmouredProductions]

The Arena was a great questline in Oblivion, but did you know there was going to be an Arena in every single city? Yes every city was going to have its own arena and its own quest. That would have been legendary.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+Armoured Productions ya I knew about that. Could have been pretty cool. And probably would have helped with the feeling of repetitiveness.

[@theodal124]

Armoured Productions I think that Kvatch has an Arena in the lore

[@Blackfatrat]

Yea it does, it's constantly referenced with a line that goes something like this: "Did you know Kvatch was the only city in all of Cyrodill with it's own arena outside of the Imperial city?". I think it's said by the Kvatch survivors.

[@theodal124]

But the question is: is there an arena in each city in the lore? Because if there is not, there is no reason to do it

[@Blackfatrat]

What do you mean with "There is no reason to do it" ? What is it "it"? Also, no, there no arena in the other cities and the one in Kvatch has been destroyed by the Daedra. Oh and on a different note, imagine how cool it would have been if when we arrive at Kvatch and there is a gladiator fighting daedra in that arena.

[@epwmolter]

They need more elaborate dark brotherhood quests like fr. They were so boring except for the last one. I miss the one in oblivion where you assassinated 4 people in a house while trying to to be figured out as a killer.

[@Cpt_Ace_Welt]

epwmolter *six

[@damonfitzo8741]

Bro, I had so much fun on that quest Oblivion had a bunch of awesome quest, especially the Daedric quest where you'd get Daedric artifacts after you finished

[@Slender_Man_186]

But because Oblivion is a buggy piece of shit the quest can easily be broken. So long as you kill the target in one hit no one will figure out who did it, even if the person was kill in front of everyone else.

[@Ytomany]

+Slender Man well that's a elder scrolls game dude it gives it a certain charm

[@Slender_Man_186]

+OmegaWafflesHax ok, no, something THAT fucking broken shouldn't get the "it adds to the charm" excuse. Getting shit whipped 100ft in the air by a giant? That's funny, and doesn't really break anything. Being able to cheese a quest without even trying? That's just stupid.

[@KN_Dingowarrior]

Patrick Steward said he saw me in his dreams. - Oblivion 10/10

[@analogGigabyte]

The real reason Oblivion is a better fantasy than Skyrim: BETTER QUESTS. Have you tried Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild? They blow Skyrim out of the water. The atmosphere and the stories are so much darker and deeper. It's almost like Bethesda watered them down in Skyrim to appeal to young ages. Maximum profit.

[@leobrad2199]

Don't forget the Mage's Guild questline

[@manmanboyboydudedudeguyguy2800]

Skyrims dark brotherhood questline is pretty good tho

[@leobrad2199]

Nowhere as good as Oblivion's though

[@bruce000000070000000]

“Better quests”, not really, playing Oblivion was like having a fever dream, it was too hilarious to be taken seriously, the whole game is a massive disaster

[@BadDayLp]

ZiNG Whats wrong about wanting maximum profit? Skyrim is a masterpeace, still played by thousands every day, more than 7 years after release. Even if its "watered down" for "bäääd bäääd maximum profit" its nothing to complain about.

[@nagistratos]

In Skyrim >kill someone in the forest with no witness >still get a bounty In Oblivion >kill someone in the forest with no witness >NPC suspects but won't arrest you

[@johnlucas2838]

@@lightblueghost I swear even animals are witness...

[@BlackScale86]

Then pay with your blood!

[@Reveticate]

Yeah you can give this an uno reverse card and it would make more sense.

[@itachi_uchiha1538]

Nagi Stratos your follower is the witness, dipshit. Lydia will help you slaughter an innocent village but won’t let you get away with killing chickens

[@Boobo_000]

It’s because animals count as witnesses in skyrim

[@oldschoolprince4714]

I hated how skyrim's night Eye worked when compared to Oblivion's night Eye. I just liked the calm, mellowing blue shade your entire screen became, and it was sort of relaxing and made you feel like it was still dark even though you could see in the dark. In skyrim, it was just a harsh, bright whitish-blue that lit up the screen like a flashlight to the face. I'd either just use a torch or turn my brightness all the way up to purposely avoid using Skyrim nighteye

[@victorialmt174]

I really miss the lock picking in Oblivion.

[@hugebuffman3619]

it was waaayyy less luck based

[@spacejesus6581]

Oblivion: uses actual timing and skill Skyrim: one pixel off? Oh well you lost another pick

[@ericdunford2444]

It's more realistic in skyrim

[@hugebuffman3619]

@@ericdunford2444 is it, now? I know very little about lockpicking but i know for a fact it's more similar to the one in oblivion, just that you can't actually see the pins

[@ericdunford2444]

@@hugebuffman3619 yes it is

[@MisterVolts]

At this rate of "progression", the next ES game is going to have 5 spells and 2 skills and 3 attributes. SMH

[@MisterVolts]

My pipe dream is to play Morrowind on a new whizbang Windows 10 machine with all patches/mods to make it functional and modern at 1080p 1600x900. ZERO interest in any other ES games, sorry.

[@ПавелФуров-т2п]

Eso is quite good even just for questing, especially Morrowind in it and the key for game is really cheap

[@aries6006]

Oh you are one of those people who think Old games=Good, Your complain is just dumb Just because skyrim isnt as good as the Older game doesnt mean its not good, It is actually a "progression" Since the graphic is a lot better, Yeah its not as good as the quest for oblivion But it doesnt mean its bad, I never played morrowind before but I keep getting bored of trying to watch lets play of it not able to Watched it till the end. Trying to Write a good story is hard as fuck, i Remember when my teacher gave us a project to write a story And i remember how i cant think of something good to tell the story and just Finishing the project So i can just Pass.

[@donosudono1597]

@@aries6006 no, the real problem is how it being dumbed down so babies can play. Thats the problem the op is concerned, how the skills is going to be severely limited.

[@jimislaughterback6280]

@@aries6006 if the only thing we can expect to improve is graphics thats super dumb.

[@denialater7775]

Oblivion felt happy. The world was so vibrent.

[@MrAllallalla]

Denialater777 the dungeons didn't. They were awful

[@joshf2218]

It felt insane. Like Alice in Wonderland... which is why Shivering Isles was such an appropriate expansion.

[@syracusa]

the world was so vibrant yet also so creepy and dark

[@ahtinen4004]

Denialater777 that's true

[@brandenfarbanger3935]

Because skyrim is undergoing a Civil War where as in oblivion the world is just being taken over by the daedra

[@warrioroflight6872]

People can be nice in Oblivion, and there's far less depressing scenery.

[@RedmarKerkhof]

I know right. I've gotten so tired of the snow and grey stone that I can't replay it without a summer mod.

[@Roach4K]

Well that's how the north looks sadly enough.

[@lizardmedia2257]

WarriorofLight i know right oblivion was actually beautiful skyrim is a depressing peice of crap the characters are as lively as the scenery

[@neravarmemesandareumadbro9790]

but here you could be talking about either morrowind or skyrim lol the former of which is the best in the series the latter of which is one of hte worst....

[@fenrir.the.heartless]

WarriorofLight that's the point dum dum it's the North. It's supposed to look depressing, if it was all sunshine and happiness!!! Then it would make no sense. Plus it wouldn't be lore friendly.

[@aivlysplath]

I liked the Oblivion questlines much more.

[@madeline5138]

Got a long list, but here I go. Hopefully some of you guys agree. I love the feeling of being just no one special with your own backstory, no insane prophecy involved or god-like powers or anything like that. You start as a felon, then you're the Hero of Kvatch, then you're a Blade, then you're the Savior of Bruma, and finally become the Champion of Cyrodiil. You earned your title by whatever means. Not only that, but I feel a lot more intimate with the characters because you don't have a select string of words you have to say, you can paraphrase "Anvil attack" any way you'd like. If you hate the church, you can imagine a snide remark, "Oh, did you hear about the Anvil attack? SUCH a TRAGEDY." Or if you had family in Anvil, you can ask desperately. Also, zooming in on the face rather than just looking at the npc's whole body made it feel a lot more personal. You can see the expressions they make, read their lips, etc. It felt like they were focusing their attention on you alone and really giving you the time of day. And if they disliked you, their potato-faced glare stared right through your soul. Speaking of, each character had their likes and dislikes. It could have gotten repetitive with the minigame, but it gave more depth to the characters and made me feel like I had a silver-tongue. Oh, the ugliest stinkiest most repulsive character loves being complimented? The countess actually likes it when you intimidate her? Tons of quests. Hefty main quest story. Emotional connection to the characters. I don't need to say more. The game felt like a struggle sometimes, but its okay because you were eventually able to overcome them based on what you invested in. In Skyrim its like if you don't like your decision of being a warrior, you can just turn into a mage at will (and anything is possible if you have the enchanting tree maxed out). And while that's alright and all, its not punishing enough. If you're a mage in Oblivion, you better not get smacked and you better build up ways to prevent dying using magic. If you spec into speed and light armor, you gotta be fast and avoid getting hit, but you can still sustain some damage, etc. Honestly I can go on and on and on, but I'll leave it there.

[@gordon4952]

The part about the zoom in on the faces is sweet

[@ZuhlJin]

I do think RPGs should be a struggle. Feels more immersive to me at least. I loved the fact that you needed to pass skillchecks, Oblivion gave up on that already and was showing the way TES would go and went. I prefer RPGs that do such things and not just allow you to be everything and do anything. Skyrim is to much of a sandbox and not enough RPG. Many players say you can still roleplay in your head, but that's a sad excuse imo. But well if players prefer this than I have to accept that. I accepted it after Fo4. Bethesda won't do that anymore.

[@Jack_80]

i found skyrim to be too easy so i tried to max out the difficulty, but it's impossible to sneak on legendary. even if your sneak skill is maxed all enemies will sense you and come right for you, which i found really annoying.

[@gremlinfyt5984]

You actually get god-like powers in one of the dlcs *_*

[@juslenjeyatharan1004]

You'd love Morrowind even more then.

[@GrimGalore]

It's the government regulation. The Empire passed anti levitation lesigation.

[@Key_shun_]

Marlin Rando “Nigga what”‼️😂

[@Key_shun_]

Aggrobiscuit oh shit lml 😲

[@truepatrician4700]

Cheap way to remove levitation

[@hungerxhunger2548]

@@truepatrician4700 They will bring it back but levitation is a forgotten art.

[@feco91]

You can murder every guard and townsfolk to your heart's content but you must restrain yourself from using levitation, even if your life depended on it. The infringement of that regulation would just be going too far.

[@CaptmagiKono]

I still think Oblivion had a better Dark Brotherhood quest line than Skyrim.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+CaptmagiKono thats because it did.

[@morticias_melody]

And better characters, I never felt like my character belonged in the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim, in Oblivion they welcomed you with open arms and it actually seemed like a close-knit family. I was so sad when they all died in Oblivion, in Skyrim it was a bit of a "meh" moment :/

[@CaptmagiKono]

@Morticia's Melody, Very much agree on all points, I actually cared for my "Brothers" and "Sisters" in Oblivion.

[@RevolverOcelot1]

CaptmagiKono I agree with this. It felt much more immersive.

[@iamkat5e]

Was anyone else disappointed with Oblivion's DB questline? I enjoyed the run and the assassinations were much more creative, but damn, Skyrim topped that ending by miles.

[@chromaflow9313]

I loved how much variety there was in Oblivion, and how many secrets it had. I thought it was so cool when I became a vampire and had these crazy stat boosts, or when I found out that there were things called black soul gems that could be made only by following a really specific ritual. It just had so much depth to it.

[@hermitfox2289]

It is really petty, but I miss the journal entries your character used to write when they levelled up, or on different stages of a quest. It somehow increased the sense of adventure, and also helped me to remember wtf I was doing when I was in the middle of a quest and got distracted by 10 others. It was a more immersive and realistic way of tracking quest progress, and made the player character seem more real and relatable.

[@Jack_80]

i like how in oblivion you could have a detect life helmet, it was cool to be able to always see people through walls without the need to cast a spell for it. i wish they had kept that enchantment.

[@Ephraim225]

These actually aren't that petty if you think about it, the loss of the Spellmaker felt like another "uh-oh, we better not let them make their own spells, they MIGHT break the game" moment. It's TES, breaking the game is the name of the game.

[@JesiAsh]

They dont wanted us to create spells because that might be op. They gave us smithing that creates swords with over 9000 power level. Mkay

[@Whodjathink]

And that didn't even make sense either, as how if you DID create an Ultra Powerful Spell, the cost(of both the Price AND the Magicka used to cast it) would be immense to where it wasn't viable to do so

[@noobalicious2607]

lets not forget the caps on resistance if i want to turn myself into a literal slab of magic immune metal let me dont give me arbitrary bs

[@Sagedurk]

Don't forget how ridiculously broken the enchanting is in Skyrim compared to the unique weapons and armors.

[@michaelrobinson9713]

The hand to hand skill is what I miss. When you became a vampire, you got a bonus to this skill to simulate you having claws as a vampire... You also got bonuses to enough other skills that you were able to make a custom vampire class...

[@17Watman]

Armor and weapons could break in Oblivion, in Skyrim everything is indestructible.

[@gamesandglory1648]

To not have to deal with durability use dawn\dusk fang

[@charlesblagden7607]

I honestly hate weapon durability, I mean, having a sword that you’re in love with, that wrecks enemies, like they’re nothing, and then it breaking. It kills me inside.

[@andrewwhite1985]

@@charlesblagden7607 what you said makes no sense in real life, nor in the old school legit hardcore elder scrolls fans. Have your watered down game that mothers and little girls can pick and and play, but leave ours alone. Even the finest weapons in real life break down, chip, flake, fold, bow, bend, or completely snap. Its realism.

[@aceofjayss9885]

@@andrewwhite1985 this isnt real life though it's a game with fucking magic and dragons...

[@andrewwhite1985]

@@aceofjayss9885 re read both of the comments. I did not say that the game was real life you silly little shit bag. Go out you're 2 cents elsewhere you illiterate fuck.

[@immagoingbacktobed1742]

I got one hell of a rush of nostalgia when you played the arena announcers voice.

[@dadyy9521]

Bruh I didnt even know that old elder scrolls games had spell crafting , now I'm really pissed , just imagine the possibilities

[@lagunalibre117]

morrowind has the best magic, oblivion needs a magic power x2 but it's fun as hell, and daggerfall is just endless posibilities but no one understands how it works exactly… skyrim is the little brother who is eating glue

[@ernieduran6589]

Yeah. You could create the spell and name them. I had a spell that would paralyze your enemy for several seconds and set them on fire at the same time. I called it “Campfire”

[@Jorvard]

@@lagunalibre117 Arena is the child that instantly dies if hit by a mage, but fights like a enraged crocodile if hit by any non-magic class.

[@zc6891]

Imagine a fireball that paralyzes AND turns you invisible. Yeah. Oblivion magic is way better. Only thing Skyrim has it beat on is that you can dual wield spells.

[@prometheus5218]

@@zc6891 Skyrim has the exact same effect but not everything in 1 spell...I don't understand people who want to stay with old things that are obviously stupid. Do you rather want 1 spell with like 4 effects that are actually different schools each. Or more spells that you have to cast them with a plan. You guys just don't want to think and only use 1 spell to fuck everything. That's so broken and boring. A mage should have more skill and be more patient in his power. I love Skyrim, and I'm relieved that they removed this bullshit

[@horaspeher3368]

I miss the guilds. They were such a good idea... And I do miss the skill system. Skyrim's is better for a first playthrough, but if you keep starting with new characters (like me), it gets tedious to keep leveling the skills you want. Customizable class... you're dearly missed.

[@notgray88]

no skyrim is horrible for a first playthrough IMO best game to start with is morrowind because it's more immersive and the lore is more interesting

[@nayru1855]

Centorea 88 he means the first time you play the game itself, not as an introduction to the series. like skyrim is good the first time you play, but gets tedious after multiple playthroughs

[@ayden2345]

Oblivion: you hit with a balloon Skyrim:they hit with a balloon

[@ennbee2051]

I remember thinking the dungeons in Skyrim were way more of a slog, especially the dwarfen ruins and draugr dungeons. God, some of them went on forever, and there was that much to loot. I spent more time deciding what to keep and what to leave.

[@saverofthehumens]

Expands a city a bit in skyrim: *20fps tops cause the engine is syphilis in code form*

[@carlosleyva-calistenia6400]

THIS

[@murphy7801]

Tbh there so many issues

[@thecreator625]

For all intents and purposes, Oblivion is a true RPG. Some mechanics may be clunky, but it was a proper RPG. Skyrim is a watered down action adventure. That shows in the following: 1. lack of a stat system. All you do is literally increase health, mana or stamina by 10 each level. This directly leads to 2. lack of specialization. In Oblivion, you had to specialize. Granted, that meant not every build was easy to pull off - but everything was possible, even Jack of all trades if you knew how. In Skyrim, you eventually become godlike in everything and can level nearly infinitely. 3. lack of engaging questlines. Skyrim may have a few, but that's really it. It's just a few compared to Oblivion. 4. lack of world interactions. The world doesn't seem to change when you do impactful things. You nailed it with the arena, what impact it has on the world when you reach all the way to the top and you know there's more ways in which the world reacts to you and what is actually happening in the world. Skyrim has close to none of that. No racism when you play a specific race (why the hell is Ulfrik's new champion a Dark Elf... or an Argonian), no real changes in the world at large other than dragons spawning... 5. races are arbitrary. This partially comes from the lack of racism towards the player character, but also from gameplay. Since you become godlike in every skill anyway, it doesn't matter what skills start out higher thanks to your racial bonus. Racial powers become obsolete fast, no real racial stat differences or other differences. Even not much of a height difference anymore. That being said... player customization in Skyrim is horrible compared to Oblivion. 6. unmodded magic is downright terrible. Subpar performance compared to fighter combat styles, lack of alternate playstyles. This boils down to both how magic works AND how you have about only 50% of the Oblivion spell effects available. 7. Enchanting is broken. Enough said. Okay, to actually expand on that, enchanting is extremely easily accessible, you only take a handful of perks because most are useless, it's much easier to enchant than in Oblivion AND you don't even have to work for it at all. Enchanting in Skyrim makes it so you walk around in fully enchanted gear basically all the time. Finding magic items is no longer special in the slightest, meaning the loot system is really only there for finding stuff to sell or more enchant effects to disassemble on the enchanting table. When you put all these reasons together (which are SERIOUS complaints, not "petty" reasons) and you can see how Skyrim is not an RPG which makes it inherently worse and simply not what the series is supposed to be.

[@tenebrousnova636]

The racial abilities in Oblivion were pretty much always useful. I remember there were parts of dungeons that were underwater (The giant slaughterfish lair stands out to me in particular) so being an Argonian would save you from having to buy or make a water breathing potion or spell. Argonians can still breathe underwater in Skyrim but unless you fancy diving into the mostly featureless Sea of Ghosts, there's just no point. All of the other bodies of water are relatively shallow. Another thing I liked about Oblivion is that even in the beginning shops sell very expensive enchanted stuff that you can save up for, but in Skyrim pretty much everything is easily affordable.

[@gnuling296]

I would definitely consider Oblivion to be a much closer thing to an RPG than Skyrim, but calling Oblivion a true RPG would be unfair to games that allow for profound choices and where your character's skills alter the gameplay more etc.

[@thecreator625]

@@gnuling296 There are no true RPG games. No RPG can emulate the feeling of a tabletop campaign played with actual human beings. No RPG can emulate the amount of choice you have and which effects your actions have on your world and the whole adventure. No one has been able to properly replicate what true roleplaying is like in a video game. Not one game is a true RPG game. That being said, I agree that there are other games that do a much better job at being an RPG than Oblivion. TES is mostly a game in which I have fun and dabble around - and arguably, Skyrim is better for that because it has a lot more freedom and weird builds are easier to pull off. Add to that the fact I don't really care about the Elder Scrolls lore which basically just teaches you to be a dumb but happy citizen embracing religion as truth and you can see why that is all I do in these games. BUT, the point of the video was a direct comparison of Oblivion and Skyrim, so that was what my original comment was all about.

[@gnuling296]

@@thecreator625 I don't really know how I should respond to your first paragraph, since it's not in line with your OP. It's always relative, it's true that no programmed game can offer as many choices as a game that doesn't depend on programming. I would be interested to know why you think that Skyrim offers more freedom. I have rarely felt so stripped of freedom as in this game. That's because of the quest design, writing, NPCs, dialogue, guilds. There are games that don't require this kind of freedom (like a platformer) but an open-world "RPG" does and Skyrim failed miserably at that. There were so many irritating, immersion breaking aspects. I didn't make the most elaborate character but even then there were instances when there was no way for him to do a quest: like, "to progress, you need to let me enslave your soul for all eternity."

[@thecreator625]

@@gnuling296 My first paragraph is a fallacy. Just like true balance cannot exist in a game (even in chess, white has 51% win rate), neither can a computer be used to construct a true RPG as we'd need to have an AI capable of fully emulating human behaviour. No, I never said Skyrim offers more freedom overall. Aside from some quests having alternate ways of being solved (such as using pickpocket to show Camilla that both guys who woo her are total assholes), there is little freedom in the quest lines. I'm well aware of that and it's definitely one thing Oblivion did better in comparison. I was talking about character builds specifically. Skyrim's lack of a class system allows for a lot of builds to work that would have struggled in Oblivion. That's partially because Skyrim is watered down compared to Oblivion (lack of a stat system means no worrying about how many stats your build needs). One example for my point would be a conjuration-based swordsman. In Skyrim, you don't carry any gear, just robes and stuff. You use alteration for mage armour, then conjure two swords, one for each hand. Then you can dive into melee. Needs a bit of a boost to your mana pool, but that's it. It's that easy to get started on that build in Skyrim. In vanilla Skyrim, this build is actually STRONGER in the early game than a standard fighter who relies on physical weapons, but gets eclipsed late game by a fighter with high tier tempered and enchanted gear. In Oblivion, you would need decent strength, fortitude, intelligence and willpower. You'd need all four of them on higher levels and not everything will be raised when you level up. Mana cost is a huge issue. And then you'd have a long wait time before you can go ahead and dive into another fight because of said mana costs. And then... normal weapons are not only easier to pull off, but more efficient, too. Unlike in Skyrim, you don't have a niche to fill when you play a conjuration-based swordsman in the same way as you would be able to in Skyrim. THAT is what I meant. There's a lot of examples out there for builds that work in Skyrim but don't work in Oblivion. So if weird but somehow still sensible builds are your cup of tea, Skyrim makes it a lot easier for you to do that than Oblivion does.

[@e2-woah939]

I love Oblivion because of the dark brotherhood quest line. It was amazing then and still is the freedom and creativity used to accomplish the missions.

[@BinguDingus]

Oblivion has an alive Lucien Lachance in it(k i n d a). Another reason why it's better.

[@insanexynn9956]

Radioactive Nightmarez how is that a reason, lol, stupid, don't you know the meaning of "a long time ago"

[@malevolenceXXXensues]

it sucked how he died

[@IronwolfXVI]

Thomas Cannon beat me to it. He's annoying in skyrim awesome in oblivion

[@captainhindsight6994]

Thomas Cannon you forgot if he died, his ghostly remains would stay..... FOR EVER

[@parsastrife6629]

I thought I'm the only one that really liked him

[@ephraimelakhe9241]

Dragon born: *Kills* *Chicken* Guards: I am going to end this guy's entire career

[@MeRu_Artifex]

freaking greaves why are there no greaves. The torso is both cuirass and greaves.

[@Ropewatch]

Meaty Because Skyrim was made for cazuls.

[@MeRu_Artifex]

Gaiden Shinji of the Diagna filthy casuwals

[@Ropewatch]

Meaty lol

[@sipstea4741]

oblivion with skyrim graphics but keep everything oblivion already had.

[@yellowflash5555]

Sips Tea they probably have mods for that lol

[@chrisriti626]

Except Oblivion's level up system needs to be dumped. I feel like I had to keep a spreadsheet to monitor my level up progress so I didn't get stat screwed. Really destroyed the immersion of the game.

[@sir3543]

Chris Riti No, it needs to be fixed.. not dumped because it's not a bad system.

[@harpskid]

I loved oblivion's leveling system. Made it harder to become a god.

[@chaseblackstone8749]

I would love that as i never played oblivion

[@HPD1171]

my reason was the removal of the radiant ai. my favorite part of oblivion is the random awkward NPC dialog and you never know what to expect. i would even stop what i was doing if i heard conversation just to hear it out to see if it would be funny or not. thou in terms of character building i like morrowind the best because the entire time you are bassically an outsider who no one trusts and you have to earn the respect of everyone every step of the way and the final result of that at the end when you are finally recognized as the Neravarine was so satisfying. In skyrim this happens in about 5 minutes

[@jamesmccloud7535]

yesssss bring back stupid radiant ai (I'm not even sarcastic) .You hear the same conversation in skyrim over and over again while what you said was true. I would stop my journey when I would hear npcs talking and it was really interesting and sometimes funny to hear what they would have to say and it was always something new.

[@lordnul1708]

The ONLY three things Skyrim "fixed" are: 1) The ability to get married and adopt a kid 2) The only canon instance of two Elder Scrolls protagonists meeting 3) Anyone can dual wield. Also Skyrim has NO cities whatsoever, towns and villages at most, has all of one environment (aside from the inside of Pelagius' mind) and it's snowy year round so not only is it not accurate to the region it's based on, it's completely boring to explore. Oblivion has SEASONS and WEATHER. Also Oblivion let you play every side, effectively completing every quest while Skyrim locks you out of half of them (including main story) because playing a neutral party is truly impossible.

[@DimmuDeer]

The marriage sounded great until I found out that only some races have available spouses.

[@andrewgodly5739]

I would add that oblivion felt like it was designed for it's game engine while skyrim felt as though something went wrong, it felt clunky. The game mechanics of oblivion complimented the way it felt. Skyrim felt like it was trying to be more than what it could accomplish, as though it stripped itself of a few edges so that it could fit

[@morghulkale4112]

I mentioned it in an earlier post...I think that had something to do with designing the game with console use in mind first and then porting it over to the PC...that may have had some effect on it.

[@instantkarma5486]

Andrew Godly that prof pic matches this so well XD. Dragonborn, you must find the wholy grail before the French throw animals at you XD

[@shaddykack]

Question: did you personally count the buildings per city for Oblivion? That’s not petty, that’s powerful.

[@charliewhite578]

If someone hits you with a sword you would need some recovery? Maybe a new arm or leg.

[@seanathonhooper]

depends on the sword lol

[@iwasdumb7688]

Elder Scrolls 6 Adds an enchantment for swords that can chop ur legs off

[@alkaholic4848]

Depends on the armour. IRL most swords were pretty ineffective against plate. Even proper leather you'd be surprised how much protection it gives you. Motorbikers don't just wear it for the looks!

[@Carl-gx7lt]

@@alkaholic4848 yeah, the best weapons against steel armor is warhammers ans maybe speers

[@StrongFreeLovin]

Spears? Lol, no. Better would be a pickaxe xD but seriously pole hammers, war hammers, long sword (pommel and using two hands to point a tip) that is a good idea against steel plate. Cuts do nothing

[@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews]

Oblivion is the better game considering it came out 5 years before Skyrim. Oblivion had much better quests, especially the Dark Brotherhood questline.

[@Jack_80]

i remrmber when i was about to kill the vampire in the dark brotherhood i had this idea and wasn't sure it would do anything but it was really satisfying when it did. i went to pick his pocket and planted a garlic on him and he was clearly weakened when i attacked him.

[@kingambrosius9125]

Jack M I didn’t know vampires in Oblivion were weak to garlic. Does it work with silver objects as well?

[@spacejesus6581]

While the DB questline in Skyrim can be boring, a lot of people miss the point of it The DB isn’t the DB, that’s the entire point, Astrid is more focused on greed than Sithis, and actually breaks every single tenet throughout the questline Still prefer Oblivion’s questline but people give the Skyrim questline way too much shit

[@spacejesus6581]

Dillon L it’s not straight up boring, just save before you get every assassination list so you can do any quests related to that character so you don’t miss any content It’s not boring either, it just feels more like mercenaries for hire than the DB, which is what it is. That’s the point. You still have to sneak around a bit and you have to admit the destruction of the Falkreath stronghold was cool.

[@hitlerjusthitlerliterallyh2700]

@@kingambrosius9125 only him as he says in a letter that it is a common misconception that all vampires are allergic to garlic.

[@Crackmandan]

My petty reason would be graphics related. Skyrim looks good and all but there's something about the rolling green hills and beautiful green forests that made me happy to be playing Oblivion.

[@rosesoftime5153]

Horse riding in the morning sun....delightful!

[@vamp97]

yeah, skyrim looks washed out as hell unless you install mods

[@tbowers423]

Crackmandan graphics you say? buddy. just try to make a realistic, human looking character in Oblivion. you may get the face right after a painstakingly long time! buuuuut changing the shades of the facial skin somehow turns the body red as a lobster. Oblivions graphics were shit by comparison, let's be real lol

[@richardlionerheart1945]

that was a art direction skyrim is a northern tundra meanwhile cyrodil is the center of tamriel

[@CenturianEagle]

I totally agree with the combat of oblivion, it just feels more real somehow. Watching a guardsman kill an aggressive townsman in oblivion just seems more real, swinging one way very quickly and then swinging the other with some forward momentum and power- it just felt fast and weighty (Skyrim may have felt weighty in movement, but oblivion felt weighty in strikes). And stepping back out of the way of an enemies quick sword slash, and coming back and countering with a hard slash of your own just felt so awesome

[@Argenteux]

underrated

[@killertrip10]

That slaughterfish thing is not a "petty" reason. They should of gotten rid of that enemy. It legit feels like a QA failure.

[@glennanderson5556]

Even nuking the water with a fireball doesn't even get it sometimes

[@BenRye495]

the guards are more threatening in oblivion

[@Slender_Man_186]

I was able to kill them at level 1. In skyrim I have to at least be level 10 to even stand a slight chance.

[@Slender_Man_186]

+VunderGuy setting the difficult to Legendary is fucking stupid as all sin. Every enemy takes at least 15 hits to kill, whereas you die in 2-3 hits. Adept is my preferred difficulty because the enemy is on my level. And Dark Souls isn't hard, it's brutally fair.

[@shanepower9201]

Those oblivion guards would swarm you the second you even picked up a stolen carrot. It was terrifying seeing them sprint towards you form the end of the street.

[@Slender_Man_186]

+Dc9907 that's due to Oblivion's horrible scaling.

[@tylerellis9097]

Slender Man/Douglas Mitchell, yeah oblivion guards blow skyrims away and are actually well equipped.

[@Furnus105]

Skyrim felt cold, hollow and empty. Looking out into the world I didnt feel like exploring it, because it felt like around the corner I would find the same stuff as where I came from. The UI is also just completely minimalistic, but why do that in a role-playing game? Also when quests were updated, a beautiful UI-box would come up explaining things nicely as if they were your thoughts. In Skyrim, writings come up saying "Tell Davedorff about this" as if the game doesnt have a story like that. It just throws you from one place to the next without the short pause the game could have had to think about the things you just did and what you are going to do and how they are all connected. And because you can activate many quests at the same time, your world feels so cluttered with too many things to do that it becomes a forever fast-travelling chore. Many quests in oblivion were in the same town as the quest-giver like a local problem that people cared about and didnt want. It felt so vibrant and warm and such a nice place to just hang out. You can still go there and have a nice conversation with someone and it will feel like a nice conversation. Going to an inn feels like going to an inn etc etc etc. Skyrim even with its burning embers in the middle of the inn feels cold... And the world is over-polished to the point where the details stand out so hard. Nothing is just smooth and thats great if you want the best graphics and all that, but in an RPG, it should to me feel like an adventure. And the music, colors, immersiveness, atmosphere and just the general feel of it all is so important to me. Stardew Valley felt more immersive than Skyrim did. Sadly, when going into Skyrim for the first time, looking forward to it for so long, it didnt feel the way it should. I was merely a gamer in a computer-world. Also those dwarven dungeons suck ass and ruin the game even more. What people say about skyrim too is that the mods are great. But I never had the need for mods in oblivion. Why do I feel like the game is so broken that I need it fixed before playing it? That doesnt mean that "it's with mods the game truly shines". It means that the game isn't that great. Thanks for reading. Please leave me a like or comment if you agree to anything. I'm yet to find someone who does agree with me. Most people put their finger on something specific pros and cons in both games without including the general feel of either game. To me oblivion feels an RPG, skyrim feels like a chore with flaws.

[@natemarco8318]

What i loved about Oblivion are the Quests. It's unpredictable and feels like it's part of your life. Skyrim quests are more of retrieving this item and that. I also didn't like the Vanilla map since it doesnt show all the roads. And the carriage thing, it felt like it's unnecessary since skyrim still has the fast travel. I was hoping that they will remove the fast travel on future installments then just use a carriage or a thing similar to a stilt rider in morrowind.

[@connordarvall8482]

I miss being able to increase my base stats. It made spellcrafting, potions and enchantments feel like they had a tangible effect. Overall, I just don't like how Skyrim handled magic at all.

[@synystergates_cp5615]

In oblivion having Vampirism you would die in the sun unless you fed, but the longer you didn’t feed the stronger you became… and you would also look more decayed which changed how people interacted with you.

[@StraightUpIrishJames]

Seen a couple of your videos mate. From one elder scrolls youtuber to another, I say, good job. I thoroughly enjoy your commentary, you have a great voice for it. Awesome work mate as usual!

[@LuCas-dv9nm]

StraightUpIrish I watch you all the time

[@geraltofrivia7448]

Fancy seeing you here

[@invinciblereason1618]

I read that in an Irish accent

[@trivialrant9808]

StraightUpIrish Oh look who it is

[@mosi8684]

Cringe

[@kaesarproductions9379]

STOP you violated the law. Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence. Your stolen game features are now forfeit.

[@OliverStClair-zp2ls]

Never played Oblivion, but I can give you another reason. Receiving a letter from a friend after shouting... IN SOVNGARDE and APOCRYPHA

[@dirtyharry0191]

You could make the argument that the cities in Skyrim are pretty small because ,considering that Skyrim is inspired by Norse culture, the Norse vikings didn't exactly build large cities and had more smaller holds. But I'm reading too much into this.

[@WiggaMachiavelli]

Norse... Vikings...? Were they Vikings in their own lands? Or just Norsemen? As I understand things, the Norse were a largely agrarian people, like most other nations in those days. Most ancient civilisations were primarily rural; so perhaps cities should have been smaller in Oblivion, or perhaps we should have more farms all over the place in Skyrim. The fact is that the Nords are not the Norse, Nirn isn't Earth, and we know that there are supposed to be proper cities in Skyrim, regardless of any inspiration drawn from real-world historical cultures.

[@KPater-mf4je]

Actually, if Skyrim would have a ton of small holds and farmsteads, and only one or two towns or cities of note, it would be a lot better. As it stands, it doesn't have many villages or farms, and its cities and towns aren't impressive either. Compared to the side-content in Oblivion, New Vegas and FO3, Skyrim is quite lacking. Here and there you might come across a hunting shack or some Thalmor escorting a prisoner, but that's pretty much it. The most exciting background event that's ever happened to me in Skyrim was when a couple of farmers were leading some cows with strange markings on them as a sacrifice to a Giant. That's pretty mediocre compared to FO3 or Oblivion, where the player constantly stumbles on hide-aways and small establishments/settlements.

[@GodsCourier]

If you're gonna create a city state narative like they did with the holds, then they should be big power cities with large populations and armies, with many surrounding populated territories. But at the end of the day smaller cities are less interesting and lively. If the cost of being more realistic is to be less interesting and fun, forget it and just be more fun. It's a game, being fun should be first priority.

[@cappymons8191]

Yaham And that my friends is why we have mods... ehem extended cities.

[@khaganofturanistan8753]

While they share many similarities with the Norse, and their gods and traditions are modeled after Norse ones, and their names are similar to those of Norse ones, the Nords are actually based off the Scots, who did maintain large cities. Regardless, the Danes and Norwegians did maintain large cities even during the Viking Era.

[@crabcake3571]

STOP! YOU VIOLATED THE LAW, PAY THE FINE OR SERVE YOUR SENTENCE! YOUR STOLEN GOODS ARE NOW FORFIT!

[@capcom23]

yes and certain death awaits you! DEATH TO SINNERS! LMAO

[@thplatoon-pg8vi]

Forfeit

[@platypusspurs7679]

The best thing about this is when you don't expect it, get whipped around, and shit yourself from the 3 guards about to clap you

[@MrPDTaylor]

I'm about to start Oblivion for the first time and I'm definitely going to get my acrobatics skill as high as possible!

[@velazquezn]

I normally go Bruma to train acrobatics, and also restoration.

[@josefina.sm2001]

as a certified oblivion expert, I would recommend you get your luck skill as high as possible

[@lawrencebashlor8811]

it can get pretty broken. there were a set of boots that you could get and somehow equip them twice with a glitch and you could jump over the city walls

[@MrPDTaylor]

@@lawrencebashlor8811 Then I will equip them twice!

[@TheTraveler980]

Oblivion became my gateway to the Elder Scrolls series (see what I did there?)... playing Skyrim made me feel like I was being treated more like a kid who, despite my achievements and efforts, I'm still only acknowledged for looking rather pale and smelling like a wet dog. Skyrim was better in terms of accessibility, but it wasn't better in terms of depth to gameplay. As for your reasons, Cantina, I don't find them petty. In fact, they draw out bigger potential issues that don't even need to be said, like how Alduin was so much easier to beat than an Ancient Dragon, or that nothing I do shifts the world and how people interact. I wish Elder Scrolls VI is more like Oblivion (quests, for example) with some elements of Fantasy Life (the Life choices, crafting) and even some elements of farming and relationships like how Story of Seasons handles it.

[@katrirawr]

The acrobatics skill is so much fun, it's one of my favorite things in Oblivion

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

Magic in Skyrim sucks, and that takes away the magic from magic.

[@mascamuelassmith8088]

Archn Scythe your coment is magic

[@BlackJester0X]

Archn Scythe True. Especially playing Skyrim on hard mode.. About half of the spells are shit.

[@BlackJester0X]

The thing is though in Morrowind, you can create a spell thats soultrap yourself for 2 pts, levitate yourself for 1pt & jump for 50pts. You can jump as high up the mountains and land without dying. Miss that sheet.

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

time coldslow lol how?

[@theleanbusinessman5431]

Fang of Shadows Really!? how??

[@fizzypurple5495]

Have you played the "Faction: Pit Fighter" mod? It uses all the cut assets from the arena that was meant to be in the game and it's quite good I'd recommend it

[@TheDerlict2041]

yea but it should not be a mod to begin with

[@Snailybob]

Fizzy Purple I personally didn't enjoy it very much

[@1-4-johnny.cash.fan-8-8]

The jumping 15 ft one makes sense if you saw the video on Elder Scrolls physics. Basically, Nirn has a lot less gravity than Earth. SCIENTIFIC

[@1-4-johnny.cash.fan-8-8]

@Pygmo and getting an acrobatics skill increase, I can't jump as far as my acrobatic friend

[@1-4-johnny.cash.fan-8-8]

@@lightblueghost no. I saw this video called "Elder Scrolls Physics" uses calculations to calculate that Nirn has less gravity than Earth. So, the acrobatics thing kind of makes sense, as on Earth, I cannot jump as far or high as my very fit friend. This friend might have more acrobatics skill in the Elder Scrolls Universe

[@pira707]

@LoyalHunter that's why when you jump, you "work out" the acrbobatics skill .which you can actually do in real life which then allows you to jump higher...

[@Obama8mycatHQ.]

I'm a big Skyrim fan boy, but after giving oblivion a try with some mods to bring it a little closer to this century I'm actually having a blast.

[@Vikt0rian]

I actually disagree, these opinions are not petty at all, I actually agree on most of it, Skyrim's combat feels slow and clunky, the fact that there is no arena pissed me off and made me feel really disappointed, especially because there are settings for it in the game, but none of them are arenas, acrobatics should definitely have been spell based, and the spell crafting thing was one of the coolest things that never saw realization in Oblivion because of poor graphics, where as spells actually looked amazing in Skyrim and therefore mixing them together to make new things would have been absolutely amazing. Personally, I feel more inclined to return to Oblivion than Skyrim, Skyrim burnt me out after completing the content once, Oblivion just feels like a story unending, heck I can even do half of the map and pretend to be a mad priest of the draedric princes, then for another playthrough, I can be the big hero helper, and then yet another I can be a powerful divine crusader that tries to stop the invasion from Oblivion, but not through the hero questline, but rather through just going to places where I hear there are portals and close them whenever I stumble across them, as well as kill any and all followers of daedric princes.

[@VunderGuy]

"Because of poor graphics?" Nigga, the spell crafting in Oblivion was better realized than half the shit in Skyrimjob, and this has nothing to do with graphics, aight? How in the fuck do you even get off thinking graphics have any relevance when we're talking about GAMEPLAY here, you knob head?

[@Mikanoes]

You think outside the box in amazing ways. I was always more interested in completing the stories, (I am a story addict), I never really immersed myself in the game. You, you play games the right way.

[@Mikanoes]

Ozymandius the Wise ...what?

[@Mayaya27]

Super Petty reason that you can’t even really control based off map and lore~Skyrim’s snow landscape gets old. Oblivion had forests, beaches, snowy mountains whatever. Just a nicer landscape with more variety in my opinion 😂

[@sicorange3]

I've never played Oblivion. Skyrim didn't need a special edition. I loved Skyrim for its original graphics. Oblivion needed a remake, so I can experience all this epicness.

[@henotic.essence]

The Arena announcer was one of my favorite parts of the battles!

[@CurlyJ2Fo]

Started off with acrobatics, you get it man!! I miss jumping as my main form of traveling to level up my acrobatics. And also, Oblivion's Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quests blew Skyrim's out of the water. Those two quest were insane in Oblivion, seriously the coolest parts of the game.

[@darkadia6520]

Oblivion has better story, immersion, and more genuine voice acting. It has a darker atmosphere and the monsters are more creative! Skyrim has better graphics and some added features but overall im enjoying the RPG aspects of Oblivion more It just feels like they put more love and passion into Oblivion, I can spend 6 hours in Oblivion and be absolutely lost in the quests and enjoy myself. I play Skyrim and it feels like a chore to do certain stuff

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

Zyklon B Of all the things he could praise in Oblivion, he chooses the VOICE ACTING? I mean seriously, that completely undercuts his argument. It'd be like saying you like front-wheel drive for its handling. It's completely ignorant.

[@WhiteWolf-ph2si]

@Gustav That's stupid, oblivion voice acting was top notch, the emperor was amazing and the guards had great voice acting as well as the arena, Sheogorath, Lucien, it was silly when it needed to be and serious when it did for the most part. But skyrim also had great voice acting, ulfric is amazing for one thing, you can criticize both games all you want, but I think at the least both were amazing in atmosphere, immersion and voice, just in a different way.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

White Wolf So you mean stuff like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmq1doqDerR_mqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYmbn5SghdKcr8U

[@khaganofturanistan8753]

The more genuine voice acting IS in Oblivion. Yes, Oblivion's voice acting is like someone with seven different personalities whos balls drop and then retract at certain cues, but Oblivion's voice acting is far more warm. It feels more nice and fun, and at times, far more serious. Part of Oblivion's charm is its voice acting. You dont get moments in Skyrim where you're genuinely laughing your ass off because of the voice acting, or where you feel the actual weight of a situation. Skyrim's voice acting is far superior from a technical standpoint, but its simply not charming, or warm. From a certain point of view, Skyrim is better, but from the average player's point of view, Oblivion offers far more.

[@khaganofturanistan8753]

lmao yeah that sums up oblivion, far more comedic and fun, and not at all a chore to listen to 7,000 times when you're walking through riften

[@laurab6687]

I love the music better in Oblivion, that's my reason for liking it better :D

[@jamilhneini1002]

Laura B no way man :O

[@naetz]

Laura B agree!!

[@Styxintheriver]

Oblivion had actually shocking plot twists, and the only one in skyrim was esbern asking you to kill skyrim

[@katepro5451]

Those are not petty reasons . I totally agree with ur reasoning and it boggles my mind how much more skyrim couldve achieved and how truly amazing it COULDVE been . But they fucked it up

[@justinhavens4700]

Kate pro skyrim was amzing in 2011 though because it was the most immersive rpg on the market. I agree with you though

[@taylorsmith5425]

Oblivion enemies would follow you through doors and cave exits. Skyrim it's extremely rare.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+Taylor Smith oh ya that is a good point. Also if you sneak they will quickly forgot you are there were in oblivion they usually will find you.

[@ashes_blue]

Except animals like wolves, they couldn’t open doors, which is a good thing

[@dan20movies18]

Yeah, that was even in fallout 3 but I never seen it in the Fallout 4

[@fiddlove]

#2 Or you could buy the Wizard's Tower dlc, which allows you to ignore the Mage's Guild quests if you were willing to buy it, and refurbish the tower ingame.

[@Ropewatch]

Potatomania ! Do you get a quest line with the dlc?

[@MossadAgentEpstein]

Gaiden Shinji of the Diagna No you don't get a quest but you need to go up a mountain and need shit loads of gold and time to get the spell maker in it. By the time you have done that you are more than likely to have access to the academy.

[@jifrid]

Imagine if you could create your own spell but you have to train to cast it, this is just an idea but in oblivion there are some targets where you can "train" firing spell at them and they are useless