5 Things Oblivion Did Better Than Skyrim

Skyrim is a great game, but after many hours of playing it, I’ve come to the realization that there are some things that Oblivion did a lot better. So here are the 5 Things Oblivion Did Better Than Skyrim.
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[@apocalypsed8]

"You know, if you've got the aptitude, you should join the Mage's College in Winterhold." But...but....I am the archmage....

[@egeorgiades93]

Barf O Dirge: I don’t care if your friends with the Guild Master! Me: But....I am the Guild Master. *Also* Maven: Mess with me and I’ll call The Dark Brotherhood!! Me: But I’m The Listener! I am The Dark Brotherhood!!

[@Snauss]

"So, you're the newest member of the Companions. what do you do, fetch the mead?" I slaughtered a coven of witches in order to grant the dying wish of our dear Harbinger of joining his predecessors in Sovengard and became the newest Harbringer in return. But yeah, the drinks are on me.

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

Barf O omg...that annoys the hell out of every time i speak with that prick.

[@charlesf6247]

Snauss Rifle oh yes I am in dragon bone armor with a dragon bone two handed weapon and the hatbanger do I look like I fetch the fin mead you dumn skeever loll

[@vane909090]

Unofficial patch fixes many of these issues tbh.

[@etherraichu]

I got the Imperials and Stormcloaks to agree to a temporary truce, mediated by the Grey Beards, who hadn't interacted with skyrim directly in centuries. I even got the Blades and the Thalmor to hold off killing each other for a bit. I went and found an Elder Scroll and used it to see through time, to learn a Shout no one had heard in more than 3000 years. I used Whiterun's place to capture a dragon, which I then rode to a hidden Dragon CUlt Temple, and soon after, into a protal to Sovngarde. The place most people have to die before they can even hope to see it. While there, I defeated Alduin, who could've destroyed the entire world. The last time Alduin threatened people, the only way to win was to create a rift in time and force him into it. Alduin is nearly a god, and it wasnt easy, but I finally defeated him. After reluctantly leaving the strikingly beautiful Sovngarde, I took a trip back to Whiterun, to tell my good friend Jarl Balgruuf the Greater, the man who helped me capture a dragon using his palace, that the threat is finally over. "Fancy robes. You a wizard or something?"

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+etherraichu hahaha. Pretty much sums it up.

[@bsamaniac305]

I did all the quests and I'm still expected to fetch the mead.

[@Snozmonkey]

you can organize a truce what?

[@ethanolasd6925]

Ansel Tanner yeah, if you hold off doing the civil war and proceed with the main questline Balgruuf is too nervous to let you catch a dragon since the stormclaoks/imperials are watching his city waiting for the perfect time to strike, so in order to elicit his cooperation you have to hold a truce summit at High Hrothgar, its actually a pretty good quest in my opinion, since if you favour one side over the other the troops will have more friendly greetings, and the side you short changed troops' will actually start to behave more hostile towards you.

[@Mooncubus]

Ethan Hicks I always ended up deliberately pissing off the thalmor guy in that quest lol

[@yas4702]

Dragonborn, Thane of all holds, arch age of the college of winter hold, harbinger of the companions, listener of the dark brotherhood, guild master, champion of various daedric princes, slayer of Lord Harkon, Savior of Solstheim Guard: C I T I Z E N

[@Godotlv5000]

Actually I just recently became harbinger of the companions, and some minutes later in Winterhold a guard. He said something like "it's you... you're the harbinger of the companions. It's an honor..." Guards do recognize who you are sometimes.

[@SyndicateOperative]

Theres a mod called "guard dialogue overhaul", which makes the guards say the correct lines - no more sweet roll comments when you're thane.

[@whiterunguard8366]

Let me guess, somebody stole your sweetroll.

[@SEbs_5]

@@whiterunguard8366 can you brew me an ale?

[@whiterunguard8366]

@@SEbs_5 I could never master chemistry.

[@davidaltergottjr7855]

Oblivion has just so much more life to it, all the recognition, small details etc. We need a remaster

[@ocean7849]

Nah, the game still looks amazing. The faces look weird yes, but it's part of Oblivions charmw

[@KCGamingBuddies]

Skyblivion

[@Pizza4Lunch]

@@ocean7849 Exactly. I'll never use character mods because the faces are part of Oblivion's experience.

[@rileyrichardson1667]

Bethesda wont remaster oblivion for several reasons... the main reason is because its a masterpeice :3

[@Felix-dh9tl]

I don’t know you and I don’t care to know you.I don’t know you and I don’t care to know you.

[@lordkresnik2873]

I wish they would remaster oblivion

[@TheCantinaChannel]

Same

[@aaronrussell8362]

If there is a remaster for oblivion I would improve the graphics and character models, have the enchanting and spell making alters all over cyrodill, and eliminate the need for gold or skill requirement when enchanting or making spells. I’m sure others could think of changes that could be made if oblivion was remastered.

[@masgondi1]

There's a mod that converts oblivion to skyrim. Still in development tho. I don't know whether they're changing the whole system to make it more like oblivion or just importing the content. Either way i think it's gonna be awesome.

[@ahtinen4004]

Ario Bimo if this is another Skywind shit, not interested. it's just a-try Morrowind/Oblivion themed Skyrim mod with almost nothing inside like those games except world map and NPCs.

[@ahtinen4004]

Lord dedric It would be absolutely good idea. Same game, just updated and with better graphics

[@dravenn230]

Oblivion dark brotherhood quest were way better and more of a challenge

[@Shinotant]

Same goes with the Thieves Guild. You actually had to do some detective work and figure out how to join the guild and the fact you had to fence a certain amount of gold to progress the questline just made it more immersive and made you actually feel like a thief. The Dark Brotherhood quests were actually challenging and gave you interesting contracts with opportunity for worthwhile bonuses and offered cool ways to kill people.

[@cheeseham9503]

Also because the guild leader wasn't a bitch in Oblivion.

[@lolegaia]

the twist is awesome, they let you become a family then.... also poor lucien :(

[@Thundross]

Also you could actually fail the final thieves guild quest in Oblivion.

[@ci7210]

@@Shinotant yeah and had to actually sneak to get the bonuses.

[@daviszach43]

Something that always got to me was that in vanilla Skyrim everything is the same old musty shade of brown. Oblivion's world was incredibly colorful and variant, from Bruma's ice to colorful Cyrodill. Almost every city in Skyrim feels the exact same. It's strange how a game with decade outdated graphics and models that look like Shrek rejects can be more pleasing to look at than Skyrim.

[@user-hr7nm4td1s]

daviszach43 Well, it's Skyrim we are playing in not Cyrodil. Skyrim's landscape is supposed to be... well dark because it's so cold there i can't imagine long green grass growing at like 0 degrees celsius

[@sirderps8056]

They just tried too hard with the whole Viking feel. And honestly it could be colorful. Most of Skyrim doesn't seem at all like it'd get that cold or that much snow. I live in Maine, and it gets plenty colorful here while our winters seemingly last half the year. Not to mention all the snow.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

I don't want realistic, I want aesthetically pleasing. Skyrim may look far more photo realistic than oblivion, but damn if Oblivion didn't have a nice art style to it. Everything popped out at me when I looked at it. Skyrim always seemed kind of drab and flat.

[@iplyrunescape305]

Yes Skyrim was meant to have limited colors. However, it really could have been done A LOT better. It's just so boring... There are no forests whatsoever. Look at Solstheim in the Bloodmoon expansion for Morrowind! THAT'S what Skyrim is supposed to look like. It was intended to have a proper feel of Skyrim. Solstheim there was "Skyrim in a nutshell", and it did the job phenomenally. I FELT like I was in a tundra. The harsh winds, the blizzards that limit your view immensely, PLENTY of trees everywhere. Now when Skyrim itself actually came to be in a game... Where's all the snow? The snow in Skyrim is just in limited areas. ALL of Skyrim was to be an inhabitable province, with only the Reach having the proper terrain to grow crops. Why is most of Skyrim brown? That's weird... What Skyrim could have had that would make it better, is have such a better artstyle of the entire landmass itself. Frozen rivers piercing the landscape, dense forests that you can get lost in, places where snow covered a region entirely. They really could have done better.

[@jerven325]

Mighty bomburr except skyrim does have long grass because Bethesda doesn't know their own worlds. and it never had to be dark. skyrim by all accounts from the previous games shouldve looked magical and snowy and colorful. not like literal shit

[@Ubeogesh]

A very trivial thing that I prefer in Oblivion: an actual quest log, rather than list of check boxes paired with map markers.

[@leedavis6343]

Well to be fair, in Morrowind you had an actual journal, that you had to flip through page by page to find out where you are in certain quest lines. It felt a lot more legitimate because you would literally read through your journal which was your literal journey through Vvardenfell as *you* took it and you would be able to remember exactly how you went through the game. Page. By. Page. So the point I'm getting to is there's been an overall de-evolution of the quest tracking system as the years have gone by. I do think that Oblivions quest tracking system was the best balanced for how immersive it is Vs how effective it is.

[@Shinotant]

@@leedavis6343 Agreed on Oblivion's quest tracking. It made you think and figure things out but also held your hand when you needed it. Morrowind was too harsh, and Skyrim is just too easy and lifeless.

[@HelloHelloHellobby]

YES! Also the morrowind journal is good too

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

@@leedavis6343 That sounds long, Nikkas got lives to live bruh

[@TXFDA]

Oblivion feels a lot like a mix between Morrowind and Skyrim. I mean, duh, obviously. But it's surprising HOW middle-ground it actually feels. Like, a less casual Skyrim. But not quite as "figure this out on your own" as Morrowind was. I wouldn't necessarily say Elder Scrolls is getting better with each game in the series. But what I can praise, is how different they are. Like, there's an actual progression to the games in terms of graphics and gameplay (for better or worse). It hasn't really fallen into that CoD mindset of copy and pasting games each year with a few changes. You can look at Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim next to each other, and see an actual change. There's a clear upgrade each time.

[@cynicalgold9992]

I remember this one time while playing Oblivion. I was like level 8 and I found a troll. I knew i was outmatched, but I had just gotten a new sword that i wanted to test out. So, as I thought about how stupid it probably was, I charged the troll. We went back and forth in between the underside of the damaged fort and on top of it's crumbling walls. For every hit I landed on it, the troll landed 2 more on me. I had to start blocking every single shot in order to stagger him, or he wouldve made quick work of me. My thief character wasn't used to this kind of beating. I was using everything I had; every potion, even the few spells I I had. About halfway through, another fight started between me and my own stamina. I began to do no damage against the beast. Still, I refused to back down. The battle literally lasted for about 10 minutes. We both fought hard, but in the end, I was the one left standing. I had barley any health left, I couldn't even see the red on my health bar. I paused the game and just started laughing about how amazing the fight was. That was over a year ago, and I still remember it like it happened yesterday

[@funybirbman3813]

dragons are weaker than trolls

[@aimeestenekes3746]

This made me really happy

[@mrs.hatfield1451]

That is kinda the magic about Oblivion. You have actual adventures and they are memorable indeed.

[@sixpiecechickenmcnobody1730]

These are the kind of stories that genuinely makes me feel joy that you went into a fight that you had very little chance of winning but came out on top and told the tale this is the kind of story that oblivion will give you

[@krimo5700]

@andreasm1 When i discovered Umbra by coincidence and started a fight with her thinking foolishly that i can take her as she is the same as everyone else, i was shocked! man!! who the hell is that character? It was quite an experience to be honest i still remember it after a whole decade...

[@evigsejere5918]

Me: Arch mage of winterhold. Thane of All Nine holds. Master of the thieves guild. Listener in the dark brotherhood. Slayer of alduin. Slayer of miraak. Slayer of ulfric/tulluis. Went to sovngarde came back. Wearing armor made out of dragon bone. Vilkas:i've Never even heard of this outsider

[@thatguyjohnmarston3480]

Ive npcs say to me you're the one from that college you're the new member of the companions they say you are Dragonborn you're the one that escaped from that mine so don't act like the people in Skyrim don't know who you are

[@ericowen5305]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@alexandrew.2675]

"hey I know who you are... Hail sithis" (?)

[@jackccurbs]

My absolute favorite aspect of Oblivion is Acrobatics. I'm just putting that down. You can jump higher, take less falling damage, and FLIP! People get all excited about the Skyrim stealth roll? How about the Oblivion roll in three directions and BACKFLIP?

[@kilianb8540]

Or when you mastered acrobatics you can jump on water, allowing you to skip across lakes, or rivers without getting wet

[@randomguy2023]

So that makes Oblivian better? So you can jump around like a crazy person?

[@jackccurbs]

@@randomguy2023 If you haven't played both Skyrim and Oblivion, I'm not going to listen to your opinion.

[@randomguy2023]

Oblivian was my first elder scrolls game and I loved it but a lot of these “points about how Oblivian is better are ethier opinionated or flat out not true.

[@doobiedooo3720]

@@randomguy2023 maybe you should spell oblivion right before arguing And before you start oblivion was better for more reasons than acrobatics like how the cities were cities, not little towns and the capital actually felt like a capital not a tiny little town, also how you could actually play as a battle mage with a two handed sword, also skyrim had an embarrassing amount of spells But all in all the whole game was missing a lot like spell crafting and doing alchemy on the fly but that is also the way every elder scrolls game is, like how oblivion had less than morrowind. There are only three things skyrim does better than oblivion dungeons, characters as in the way they look, and melee combat because god knows oblivion's was floaty as fuck.

[@pawnzalivesea521]

Lets be honest Morrowind story + Oblivion playthrough + Skyrim graphics = Godlike game in the universe

[@KarlHerzog]

Holding my breath for ES6 tbh.

[@sixpiecechickenmcnobody1730]

And if we add more customization to your character like for instance having the ability to choose the legs if the argonians in Morrowind if you are playing as an argonian or if it had all of the skills from all of the games like in Morrowind you have specific skills for weapons and in Skyrim you have one handed and two handed. Add all of that and it would be the best game to ever exist. Jesus Christ this is long.

[@ThiagoSilva-gb2iv]

@@KarlHerzog Don't. In Bethesda's current state, your hopes of them making an actually decent ES6 shouldn't be so high

[@KarlHerzog]

@@ThiagoSilva-gb2iv I'm still jumping between Skyrim and Oblviion... thinking of getting ESO while it's still alive, but one can dream haha

[@ThiagoSilva-gb2iv]

@@KarlHerzog if you enjoy MMO's and the feel of the ES series, you might really enjoy ESO. I had a ton of fun with it when it released, and the game has so much new stuff in it. It does have microtransactions but that's just because you no longer have to pay monthly to play the game. You only pay for the base game and if you want non-essential cosmetic items and access to new dlc's

[@axyle2557]

"I AM the guild master, you prick" Had me crying :D

[@Oggy2295]

5:06 "A quest that is light-hearted and fun" *flock of sheep drop dead*

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+Oggy2295 haha.

[@schribbler1592]

Rats in the streets, sheeps dropping dead, dogs dropping from the sky and cats running in panic! Mass hysteria!

[@brandonvistan7444]

The Cantina I wish the Companions questline included the Fighter's Guild's amazing artwork.

[@gabrielkerne9175]

You havent done that one yet have you ?

[@codussigma]

well, sheogorath is both manic, AND demented. i mean, this IS the guy who rather happily remarks on using your intestines as jump ropes and plucking out your eyes in the same sentence as offering you a cheese wedge

[@LucasBarbosa-qh5ke]

I personally view the Gray Fox's questline with the Theives Guild in Oblivion to be a MAJOR pinnacle in videogame storytelling. The Hist Tree plot in Oblivion's Fighters Guild questline is probably a close second.

[@max7971]

Bruh

[@PiPArtemis]

In Skyrim I just kinda went through the motions of the quests because even the NPCs didn't seem very interested in what was going on. In Oblivion I nearly cried when I had to purge the Dark Brotherhood sanctuary

[@exotias3998]

same bro same

[@myselfme7945]

We all love Ocheeva

[@godsend1989]

i cried.

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

Wow, it's been so long I had forgotten how that quest made me feel. I was so torn, I remember staring at the screen for several moments utterly blank minded from the shock... am I actually about to do this? Skyrim has nothing on that moment.

[@kendra3489]

Just restarted the game the other day and had to do that quest yesterday. Felt just as bad even though I knew it was coming.

[@DrPacman]

Oblivions cities are better... Much better

[@crimson8076]

i am glad rigmor of cyrodiil mod exists so i could experience an actual city, and not a dude with a lame crown ruling over like 4 buildings

[@thecodenamenoob4042]

@@crimson8076 therea a bruma mod now as well I was gonna check that out today

[@crimson8076]

@@thecodenamenoob4042 rigmor of cyrodiil is a sequel of rigmor of bruma, definitely would recommend tho

[@thecodenamenoob4042]

@@crimson8076 ahh ok cool I'll look into it thank ya!

[@ladyselin35]

What do you expect? Imperals are civils. Nords are barbarians.

[@Gleowyn]

Skyrim Dark Brotherhood was a MASSIVE letdown after Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood. Man, that questline was amazing in Oblivion.

[@stanleywilliams1605]

You are sooo right!! The Morag Tong questline in Morrowind was epic as well, even more with the Tribunal DLC you get to face the Dark Brotherhood, the sworn enemy of the Morag Tong.

[@CaptainCocaine]

Even Oblivion's Fighter's Guild questline was more disturbing than Skyrim's Dark Brotherhood questline.

[@ColonelBragg]

thieves guild was way better in oblivion too

[@phoenixsplash135]

I did like trying to kill the emperor. But the dead drops and assassinations in Oblivion were so cool to me when I first played it

[@badkittenlpgermany8290]

After I rebuilt the Brotherhood the Quests felt like I was Playing Assassins Creed.

[@Rachel-96]

Oblivion will always be my favourite, I spent soo many hours playing it as a kid that (as sad as it sounds) it helped me get through tough times during school especially since I didn’t have many friends

[@speedofthephantom5620]

I, am the dragonborn. One of the last remaining in centuries. I am the leader of the dark brotherhood and the listener of the night mother. I am the leader of the thieves guild and proud nightingale of nocturnal. I am the savior of skyrim, and slayer of alduin. I am a member of the companions, and one within the circle. I am thane of all nine holds. I am the savior of solsthiem, and have defeated the first known dragonborn. I have gone to sovenguard and back. I wear armor made from the bones and scales of dragons. I am the chief of the stormcloak rebellion, and slayer of the imperial leader. "So you can cast a few spells, am I supposed to be impressed?

[@Riquinni]

You sound as unimpressed as Skyrim citizens are with those feats.

[@mister4721]

SpeedOfThePhantom : LMFAO !! Yeah, exactly. That's what i mean, A character like this should be thee most famous person in Skyrim, enemies should be running for miles away from you if you appear in front of them. Instead they give you this horse shit like yer nothing but a low life peasant. "Cheers Bethesda !! " This character in some ways is similar to LotR main enemy Sauron, Just to mention his name and people shake with fear, yet in skyrim, a character like the above....well, he's a nobody. I just hope that in ES6 bethesda has made this a game to be proud of. Otherwise i won't be buying it. Getting rather fed up with the dribble that bethesda puts out these days.

[@rofltv7809]

so true

[@caesarthemonkey2488]

Meanwhile, in Oblivion... >Assists in the taking back of Kvatch "ITS THE FUCKING HERO OF KVATCH HOLY SHIT"

[@peanutbuttertoast1252]

@@caesarthemonkey2488 "Let me guess. Someone stole your sweetroll?" Bitch I lead the Companions, killed Alduin, and literally wear his fallen as my armor!

[@TheParanormalist0601]

My name is David. I am a Nord of Skyrim, an Unforgettable War Hero, the Legendary Dragonborn, the Leader of the Thieves Guild, the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood, Thane of Every City, Powerful Master Mage of the College of Winterhold, the Harbinger of the Companions, Leader of the Blades and the Slayer of Alduin the World-Eater, Harkon the Vampire Lord and Miraak the Dark Dragonborn. Yet whenever I kill a chicken, I am the world's worst known criminal. Can I go to Sovngarde?

[@plumpsmedici7306]

The Paranormalist and you still never seen the cloud district

[@XXXX-yb9oc]

Plumps Medici u you go to the cloud district to become the thane of whiterun idc if this was a joke

[@plumpsmedici7306]

It's funny how you not know this meme.

[@johm3002]

Reillykids Gaming I think he was referencing Nazeem...

[@micahemerza7814]

...i like how your lack of humor makes you a buzzkill and not even the smart kind

[@PsionicSlice]

One of my favorite parts of oblivion was that it felt like you and all the guards were brothers in arms in fighting oblivion, especially at the end. In Skyrim the guards couldn't care less that you're literally the only one who can save the world.

[@hellothere7993]

When there are thugs sent after you or the Dawnguard tries to kill you in the city, the guards just stand around and don't even defend you.

[@sugoiguy2048]

The worst thing in Skyrim is how you start the game. There is no development of your character. You simply start as the most powerful dude. In Oblivion you literally started from the bottom. It doesn't matter where you've started. Best example is the Arena or the mages guild. The blademaster even made fun of you after requesting for a fight. And from fight to fight he respected you more and more. To join the mages guild you had to obtain a recommendation from all mages guilds. In Skyrim you just have to perform a spell.

[@Frogtalkin]

When I started Skyrim after countless hours on oblivion I left the mages guild for last thinking it would have a similar entry. One spell made me a bit angry.

[@AndrewSSGSS]

Chiko Loco u make it sound over dramatic

[@medinaalangabriel]

@@Frogtalkin Dude remember that you're in Skyrim, taking into account the majority of nords dislike magic, it's surely really impressive to find someone that can cast even a basic spell.

[@jaredqman147]

You just made oblivions character sound more OP from the start. And in skyrim you are actually weak as fuck, your stamina only lasts 5 seconds at the start. You get 2 hit by everything. I think your mistaking reg game for modded game maybe

[@vitriolicAmaranth]

THE WAY IS PERILOUS AND THE GATE WILL ONLY OPEN IF you cast the most basic spell that even a child could cast or talk me out of it or just tell me you're the legendary meme shouter And Jared, I really don't know what you're on about, but I think maybe your misunderstanding is that he's making it sound like you have to BECOME strong in Oblivion, because you do. In Skyrim it's assumed you're already strong because you're Dragonborn so people just let you do whatever you want and run whatever you want, and all the guilds are about 1/3 as long as in past games. In Oblivion you start out in a very similar scenario (you know a simple fire and healing spell, you have enough stamina to jump a few times or power attack once or twice (but running out of stamina is actually a bigger deal because low stamina makes you stagger easily), you do very little damage and have very little health and magicka), but to get anywhere, you have to 1: become stronger and 2: prove you're stronger, instead of the "Skyrim Method," where you have to 1: show up and 2: say "I'm the dragonborn, bitch." Actually, let me level this out a little better. Morrowind is a MUCH better comparison, because apart from Skyrim it's the only TES where you play as "the chosen one." In Arena, Daggerfall and Oblivion, you are at best a low-ranking agent/personal friend of the emperor (in Daggerfall, even less in Arena and Oblivion), and there is nothing inherently special about you except that you do eventually become one of the heroes of the Elder Scrolls. In Skyrim, you are innately imbued with an extremely exclusive and powerful blessing of Akatosh making you "the Dragonborn," while in Morrowind you are the reincarnation of the ancient Dunmer king Nerevar, "the Nerevarine" (and the prophecy about the Nerevarine also calls you Dragon-Born, incidentally, but it's contentious whether- You know what, nevermind, that part isn't what's important). What IS important is how each game handles this. In Morrowind, there is a layer of intrigue. The Emperor knows of this prophecy that Nerevar will reincarnate, and the Empire is politically weak in Morrowind yet there is a conspiracy afoot that will decide the fate of Tamriel that he also knows is transpiring in Morrowind under the noses of the Tribunal, so he wants to exploit the local believe in the Nerevarine Prophecy to have a political figurehead to control the Dunmer people with. So he sends you, someone who happens to tick all the boxes to be eligible to be the Nerevarine- Even though it seems like most agents of the Empire are dubious at best whether such a thing as "the Nerevarine" even exists! Ultimately, there are only two things that present a strong case for you truly being Nerevar reborn: First, you can wear his cursed ring, a gift of Azura which kills all false incarnates that try to wear it, with no ill effect. Second, a wizard is able to cure the ill effects of your Corprus disease while leaving you with the immortality and immunity to other diseases it comes with, yet the cure only ever works on you and fails in subsequent experiments, fulfilling the final and hardest part of the prophecy. Thing is, Azura also wants the Nerevarine to come and stick it to the Tribunal, so she may be manipulating these events to help the Emperor make it SEEM like you're the Nerevarine. Point being, it's up in the air whether you're really this "chosen one" at all! It's actually one of the game's three big mysteries (and the most obvious one- I won't spoil the others since it seems like you've only played Skyrim, and I'm sure some day you'll go back and play all the better titles). But one thing's for sure: You have the powers the Nerevarine SHOULD have, like immunity to disease and agelessness, and the right to command the various armies of Morrowind. Yet you did not have those when you got off the boat at Seyda Neen. Even when you meet the Emperor's agent in Balmora, who is to guide you on your quest, he tells you that you should go live for a while as a freelance adventurer to establish a cover identity so nobody knows you're a pawn in his schemes, and to gain some experience so you aren't such a useless POS. It's a long ways into the main quest before you even contract corprus or learn about the Nerevarine prophecy firsthand. But if you train really hard, in the end you kill a god or two, or even three if you're hard enough to beat the game the "wrong" way. Now let's back that up and see how Skyrim does it! You're John Prisoner, professional Prisoner of the Empire of Cyrodiil, soon to be professional Dead Guy of Helgen. About ten minutes later, you're a free man, because dragons, thought extinct for around six hundred years, suddenly returned to save you! Who knows why? Well, you go to tell the local ruler about the dragons that are burning down villages nearby, and his court wizard tells you to go get the dragonstone from the barrow where the old dragondeathlord was interred with an ancient Meme Shout and Dragon Tablet. You bring that stuff back (takes about half an hour, tops), and uh oh! Now a dragon is attacking much closer to the Jarl's hold! So you go with the soldiers to see the dragon, and after it dies (you can just stand around for a few seconds and the soldiers will kill it for you, even on max difficulty, vanilla), you turn its body into spooky soul energy, absorb it and unlock the ability to meme shout!! And as you do so, the entire world shakes and the ancient meme shouters of high hrothgar yell "THIS GUY'S THE DRAGONBORN, GUYS" so everybody knows it!!! And from then on, any time you want to get anywhere, you can pull rank by saying "I'm the meme shouter they call Dragonborn on High Mountain! Fus ro dah!" and they just let you in because you are the strongest and the best and everybody already knows it so there's no point arguing!!!!!! Do you see the problem?

[@tonalddrump2712]

I remember not finishing the Dark Brotherhood quest at all, just because I didn't want to kill my family in the sanctuary. That Khajit is just so nice at the end...

[@garuelx8627]

He probably knew what was coming...

[@klaviergavin9936]

I hated killing my vampire master. One of the saddest questlines for me. :c

[@dividad1]

Man the first time I played that I was heartbroken and stunned that the gme is making me do this, but what a twist of events. DB is so much better in oblivion

[@shadhassan2145]

I think it's probably the khajit that makes you feel less bad overall about the whole killing thing

[@SephTheHuntress]

Well, it's gotta be done honestly. They will serve the dread father in the void. ❤

[@imnotlying494]

I hate being the "Chosen One" much rather be the guy who helps the "Chosen One" it allows for better RP. Also the premise of being the Dragonborn only fitted a Nord warrior, a Khajiit thief being the Dragonborn is a bit strange to me.

[@sofiamafra2644]

Im Not Lying! I feel you m8 I created a khajiit thief/assassin and being in sovngarde fighting alongside those legendary nord heroes while wearing full nightingale armour with a fluffy tail hanging around was just... odd

[@matthewfraney9108]

I agree .... that's where mods can be very helpful. check out "you are not the Dragonborn" and "alternate start - live another life"

[@Alexandre152]

but you help the people of skyrim, so actually, the chosen ones are the kings to rule the people, not dohvakiin. They also rule dohvakiin, since, if youkill a citizen that has done nothing to you, you will have a bounty added for your crime.

[@thisisJim85]

I am a Khajiit thief in the game lol

[@junamboqcg2369]

I wouldn't say you're the "Chosen One" in Skyrim. It's implied that there might be other dragonborn out there somewhere. You just happen to be he only one actively fighting dragons in Skyrim.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

Skyrim Walk up to any citizen, they never acknowledge your achievements unless it directly ties to them or they're a guard Oblivion Become a goddamn crusader in one of the _expansions_ and *EVERYONE* recognizes it.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

And even if they don't recognize you they will still talk about things you've done.

[@masonservello8342]

When I completed the crusaders questline even the grey fox acknowledged me for it

[@tomhedlund4524]

TES VI, if there ever is one, will be less rewarding. I imagine it will be heavily monetized, and any meaningful quest to earn a title or 'rare' artifact is going to cost real money. Look to indie developers, before they get absorbed by EA, for fresh experiences. Oh, and Arcane still makes a good game. Prey is far better than I expected it to be.

[@tomhedlund4524]

They were once owned by Zenimax, and Bethesda is becoming a huge publisher in their own right. But EA has the rights to more mainstream titles, so you're probably right... (sad face)....

[@anselmo499]

Bethesda is still owned by Zenimax. Zenimax (which was founded by the two founders of Bethesda) was never the publisher, merely the holding company of Bethesda. Zenimax is to Bethesda what EA is to Bioware.

[@bythe9290]

Completes the whole storyline Guard: There's a rumor going around that you are Dragonborn (not exact quote)

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+By The 9 haha ya pretty much. Closes one oblivion gate in oblivion Random citizens: you saved us!

[@Doomin-c2m]

The guards know. For example they may say "so you're the newest member of the companions, what do you do? Fetch the mead?" and eventually change their tune to "it's an honour, Harbinger". And they also comment on your attire. Random people just don't give a damn, and if you've ever been to the nordics in real life, you'll note that they don't give a damn no matter how famous you're supposed to be.

[@misanthropy9295]

@Doomin Why do you think I'm not a fan of Oblivion lovers. They can like Oblivion and that's not a problem, but it's when they are extremely blind about what Skyrim actually did/does because they want to claim that every aspect of Oblivion is better, even when some of those aspects are still in Skyrim for christs sake!

[@mikeyslakowski1299]

When you become the Arch Mage characters in the college will say things like "It's a pleasure to see you Arch Mage" or make general comments about being jealous or the college politics about how you became Arch Mage

[@MrLaszlar]

Plus the first time you go to Oblivion - it's just awesome.

[@jackccurbs]

Another thing that's always bugged me about Skyrim is how much each questline makes you the "Chosen One." Also they're all way too short, since they eliminated guild rank and the prestige system.

[@Umbra_Ursus]

We need an Oblivion remake, like RE2. Keep all the good, and fix all the bad.

[@DrenzAwe]

Why remake when they can make tes6 instead

[@Paddict227]

Look up skyblivion, modders are doing it for Bethesda as usual.

[@sexycavetroll2788]

@@DrenzAwe find the people making skyblivion and support them. It is such a huge task and they are doing it for the love of the game it's sad more fans don't knos about them

[@BlondeWondur]

Yes please. #OblivionRemaster

[@thesman32]

I would be happy with just a graphical overhaul and some more voice actors,the core game is fine. mind you xbox 360 version dose look pretty good on the xbox one x tho, I've played about 35 hours so far, game only cost me £2.00 second hand...bargain.

[@ciceroakatenza4887]

Oblivion dark brotherhood was far better

[@spartanq7781]

Oblivion as a whole is far better.

[@Damos1998]

Oblivion loot in houses and dungeons is literally dogshit.

[@spartanq7781]

@@Damos1998 Skyrim has that same problem. I don't know what is so hard about adding interesting loot.

[@willhall796]

Kazema Inzei Raiyaru especially how to get into the guild, oblivion you have to murder someone in their sleep on your own, skyrim tells you where to go and the boy automatically thinks you’re a part of thebrotherhood

[@deadlypandaghost]

I disagree. Skyrim Dark Brotherhood was a really awesome quest line. I have made at least 3 characters solely to play through it again with different skill sets. Meanwhile Oblivion Dark Brotherhood made me face palm so hard I couldn't play again for months

[@kairyuubird]

LOL I DIED WHEN I REMEMBERED THAT PAINTING HAHAHAA great memories

[@munkyz234]

I remember the first time I played oblivion, it was such a huge step up from Morrowind but still felt connected to the game. The menus and controls all felt familiar. Once I played Skyrim I was actually disappointed and felt like it was a actually a step back from oblivion. I thought I was the only person who that that lol

[@pkmkb1]

Really wasn't that huge of step up, in fact it wasn't a step up at all it was much worse, they gutted way too many things form morrowind,casualised the game and added one of the worst scaling systems ever in gaming

[@munkyz234]

@@pkmkb1 you have no idea what you’re talking about

[@max7971]

Step up? Lmao What menu felt similar? In morowind You right click and get ALL the menus on your screen. You can scale them as you wish, you can change high and width, you can stick your map, and when you close the menu it will be on the screen. You can’t even zoom out the map in oblivion, everything is done with console plebs in mind. You can’t even delete spells in oblivion, while you could in morowind. It’s a massive step down.

[@munkyz234]

@@max7971 I played Morrowind on Xbox and oblivion on 360. You can roll your eyes about that all you want 😎

[@lurtiskoe]

same brother, same. everyone was raving about skyrim and im like "but oblivion was so much better..." still think that too. I loved when I hit 100 acrobatics and could strafe jump across the cities and over the water

[@VaMpireWithOutLOve]

Honestly what I miss the most is the feeling of... family in Skyrim, within the guilds I mean. Of course Skyrim is supposed to show that everything's falling apart but come on - everyone's treating you like you're worthless. Look at the Dark Brotherhood in Oblivion, or the Thieves Guild. These gave you such a warm feeling and that you are somewhat important. Also. You kill Alduin to prevent the dragons from invading the world but... they just stay there?! It's to complete all the dragon shouts of course but it just feels like you didn't achieve anything. It has a lot to do with nostalgia but... personally, I think Oblivion is the better game. [Sorry for any mistakes, Greetings from Germany~]

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+xBlooddust ya I completely agree with you. And that dragon thing really annoyed me also.

[@Fabulousideiumn]

xBlooddust But when you have proven your skills and done their guests then they will start to believe and like you.

[@lieninger]

+bloodlust Agree, I always felt my character was an outsider in the Skyrim guilds, even once advanced to leadership. Plus, the little jobs you keep getting from them are with a very few exceptions pathetic, contrived, and repetitive. I only played Oblivion briefly, but I see where the people react to your character more realistically, and I can certainly see the faction quest lines being more meaningful.

[@Stormrunner0]

You actually just stall for time. Alduin will destroy the world one day. Fits rather well if you think about Nordic mythology. They have the Ragnarok.

[@GreebleClown]

xBlooddust I figured that when you beat Alduin you became top dragon and were able to tell the remaining dragons to knock off destroying the world.

[@kojott93]

The guilds in Skyrim are practically nonexistent. I mean you can become an archmage of the Winterhold Academy in like 3 hours with barely using any spells. That's how long it took to even become a proper member of the Mages Guild in Oblivion.

[@Lickicker]

Dude getting into the arcane university was so hard in oblivion, thats why it makes you feel accomplished to get spellmaking and enchanting

[@carneus]

Pretty sure the only spell you need to use in the entire Mage's Guild questline is the block spell during the first lesson.

[@GrimOakheart]

Actually you need to hit the wall in saarthal with magic too. See, skyrim has loads of magic in the questline...

[@charlesf6247]

My top five for oblivion 5. Better quests 4. Better guild quests 3., customization 2. Better recognition 1. Better DLCs

[@MetroplexBias]

Charles F Dude, when I first played Shivering Isles my mind was blown

[@anon2447]

6. better loot, even if you had access to enchanting finding the sweet and powerful random loot was so rewarding coompared to op boring grindy crafting 7. actually useful and powerful daedric artifacts

[@iammax1393]

The part about your quests not making much of a difference is too real. Maven Black-Briar told me "Make me angry, and I'll call the Dark Brotherhood", but I took over the Dark Brotherhood.....

[@charlesf6247]

SCHEM/\TIC, /\2 I wish maven luck I eliminated those fiends

[@PilatusAnon]

One thing I absolutely love about Oblivion is how, like it was said, you are nobody and you earn your recognition. Like in the mages guild quest line, you have to travel the entire land, just to get access to the main line. You earn your way. All the way to the top and eventually get to be guildmaster. Yet, in skyrim, all you have to do is dungeoncrawl for the guild and hey, the old guildmaster died, so how about you take his place, because you've been here for three days, I'm sure you can be the guildmaster, knowing only 4 spells

[@OsnosisBones]

It honestly took maybe 4 quests per guild to finish the line, which truly sucked as well. I hated that. I partially blame the radiant quest system for the lack of variety with most quests, but that's not excusable in the guild quests since their quest locations AREN'T randomized. Sure it's not an ES game and the fans have their own problems with it too, but at least their most recent Fallout made the radiant quests limited to only basic stuff like eternal help requests and bounties and follow the letter quests and all other quests had a strictly followed location and direction, allowing actually flavor and variety. And at least it brought back guilds (or factions, in the case of fallout) having you do a huge number of things for them all across the map before you finished their quest line. At least that makes me think maybe they've realized the radiant quest system just does not work all that well. Though some of the quests in 4 still felt like rinses and repeats, but there felt like there were a lot more that were at least memorable again. One of the things I hated about Skyrim guilds is they felt kind of pointless and too easy to complete. Hell, even when they do request you do an oddjob before being able to move up to the next main mission it takes like one oddjob. Most the oddjobs you wont even know you could take or randomly get until after you finish the quest line and become the head.

[@robertemerson9109]

Anonym Martin Lmao the second part of your comment killed me.

[@Angarato86]

i am the guild master of the college of winterhold while not casting a single fucking spell ever. lol

[@dexter9313]

You have to cast at least two spells to advance the quest though, so you're lying. (One to enter the college and one during the first lesson).

[@Angarato86]

fine but those are the 2 basic spells you learn at the start. hardly counts but yea sure i guess

[@justinr442]

I played Skyrim WAAYYYYY more that Oblivion but I remember Oblivion's quests way more.

[@deathboyinc]

Justin Rodriguez literally same

[@DioBrando-nb7yz]

I know this video is kind of old, but I still want to get this out. I don't feel connected to the world of skyrim at ALL. That's something you said too but for me it's more extreme. Also these boring quests where you have to go to dungeon after dungeon.. Oblivion did this 2000x better and every quest feels unique and I feel connected to the world and it's way funnier and more memorable.

[@jeff-hd9og]

hayato

[@silverjay4455]

True the dungeons in skyrim were huge and empty. Oblivion had a soul

[@DioBrando-nb7yz]

@Matt Mercer's Stunt Double yeah I always cheated in oblivion to get +5 +5 +5 every level because otherwise it was unplayable. Also damage output in oblivion is HORRIBLE enemys tank wayyy too much

[@randomguy2023]

I do but I respect your opinion

[@night6724]

then you’re just a Nostalgia fanboy.

[@VTown1989]

Being "the chose one" is overrated and played in video games. You don't HAVE to play as the ONE person who is destined to save everything. Just working to help fight the "Big Bad Forces" and getting recognized for your efforts is more rewarding. I don't need my dick sucked for simply being chosen by fate. Just recognize my deeds and accomplishments throughout the game. I was a nobody who could have stayed out of it and let others solve the problem, but I CHOSE to help. That's far more honorable than just being a dickwad who got saved from the executioner's axe simply because he is the chosen one.

[@ChewFingers]

Speaking of the intro... in the beginning your existence doesn't matter to anyone. The Imperials are the Altmer's bitches, but even though you're playing as one, they don't bat an eye at killing you off because they juuuust can't bother with you. And as you've progressed to become the hero that saved all of Tamriel from distaster, you are STILL barely treated better than that. Everyone doesn't have to pour their guts out over their love for me - heck, they don't even have to like or agree with what I do at all - they just have to at least acknowledge my accomplishments, just as you say.

[@Ironbuket]

The same thing happen in Dragon age 1 and 2. In 1 you were just anyone and became great through your actions. In 2 you were destined to be great from the beginning and somehow it made it less interesting

[@andrewdornan492]

Frisky isn't that the point of elder scrolls games tho?

[@Ironbuket]

Andrew Not really. It's like sitting down to watch a film and being told the ending at the beginning. You might watch it anyway, but it's not as good doing things that way

[@andrewdornan492]

Ironbuket understood, I get your point

[@samsam222happyface]

man the dark brother hood's story in oblivion was fuckin great

[@professordaihard3571]

alprazosam My favorite part of Oblivion!

[@DIETAL9]

Ikr, lucien lachance was my hero, but in skyrim he is just another npc

[@Levon0Whynot]

Yea dark brotherhood's and thieves guild That Grey Fox was so charismatic

[@shawngillogly6873]

It was a great questline. If they could've given a questline in Skyrim like the Oblivion DB questline, it would be almost a perfect game.

[@lewisbatten4684]

Oblivion has forking Minotaurs... You always remember seeing one of those silhouettes in the mist in an Ayleid ruin. Variety of daedra, variety of undead, quicker less clunky control response. And your agility actually gives you an advantage, pinging from rock to rock and jumping over enemies. Oblivion did a lot of things better.

[@axelblack1799]

Money had more meaning in Oblivion, it took me ages to save up for something i wanted in Oblivion (like a house), you had to buy spells, lockpicks and ammunition alot more in oblivion as well. While money was practically thrown at you in Skyrim, and you had barely any expenditure.

[@k1er4n544]

i also liked the fact that you had to repair you're weapons now they are made of indestructable material XD

[@DomSchu]

You actually get to the point in Skyrim where you've made every npc so poor you can't even sell them anything anymore.

[@Wolfmasterpixel]

Easy money in Skyrim (without cheating or glitches) is the transmute spell and making damage magicka regen potions, both of which I got by level 10 in Legendary difficulty.

[@superimmersivebeats8063]

In skyrim I spend a lot of money on magic

[@axelblack1799]

I did a spellsword play through a while back, 70% of the spells i used were found/stolen/given to me in quests. Only remember buying the T2 or T3 fireball spell, a couple conjuration spells and fast healing.

[@smokind.johnsonn1851]

compare the cities of oblivion and skyrim. ok i mean, it is obviously that skyrim have better graphics BUT i like skingrad and cheydinhal a lot lot more than Markath or Windhelm. Whiterun is really nice, but in oblivion every city still gives me a Special Feeling. I like Skyrim a lot, but Oblivion had much more soul

[@archiekingg]

Riften is the special one for me. Others are generic or boring. Riften just feels like exploring through and through.

[@xIllMadeKnightx]

I was gonna say more or less the same thing. I just don't feel the towns and cities in Skyrim are as rich and immersive as those in Oblivion. I get the idea that Skyrim is more rustic, less metropolitan than Cyrodiil. The seond-tier towns are often about four huts and a mill, and even the "cities" seem to sparse. Whiterun is meant to be the central hub of the province, with nobles and merchants coming from far and wide, but it's smaller than a second-tier town in Oblivion. Markath, Windhelm, Riften, and Solitude have a nice feel to them, but I can't help but think there needs to be more detail in all areas.

[@boris90]

Well the Skyrim cities are in... well... Skyrim. They won't be as beautiful, lush with green grass and beautiful trees, squares etc. They're sort of expected to be dull and grey.

[@ginkgothestink-o6949]

Cities in Skyrim are just... tiny. There are more guards than people! Going from getting lost as hell in the Imperial City to Whiterun was really disappointing, even if Whiterun is stunning and enjoyable.

[@KidsWithGuns1992]

I agree, Oblivion did have much more soul but I also wonder if this is misplaced nostalgia. Because *technically* the cities in Skyrim are much more complex and interestingly laid out. I felt more magic with Oblivion, BUT Oblivion was the FIRST EVER of that kind of game I played (massive open world RPG).

[@zanemadden347]

The oblivian cities felt more like cities and they felt larger and more full of life

[@ahtinen4004]

zane madden That's so true. played Skyrim first and then moved onto to Oblivion and Oblivion's cities are big and feel alive, while Skyrim cities are dull and feel empty with few NPCs wandering around. Only real city in Skyrim is whiterun, Solitude is more like a huge fort, Riften and Windhelm are dull. Others like Falkreath and Wintehold aren't even cities at all! Bethesda better do better job with cities in TES 6

[@IgnorancEnArrogance]

I agree. But Markarth did blow me away the first time I saw it, that was the only Skyrim city to do so and the forsworn uprising was one of the only truly great quests in that game.

[@RedLobsterChadXBBQ]

Full of life? Sure they are big but you gotta admit they were empty as hell. In Skyrim you had people doing jobs, cutting wood, walking around and were actually talking to each other in coherent dialogue.

[@RedLobsterChadXBBQ]

Gazothor look, just walk around the city, count how many people are walking around and look how far away they are to each other. Also I used the wood chopping argument because in Oblivion, you never see anyone doing anything productive. All they do is just walk around having meaningless conversations unless they own a shop. Skyrim "cities" have more going on even if it only has 5 houses each hold.

[@OrphanHart]

zane madden that's because they were. Some "cities" in Skyrim were literally just a handful of huts that you could traverse past in less than ten seconds. Oblivion actually had multiple districts for all their cities. They were full of multiple guild halls, major inns, local residences, large churches for worship, graveyards, docks, and much more depending on the city. For the most part Skyrim "cities" were just the Jarl's place, a tavern, and its market area. It's really not fun trying to become immersed with Skyrim when it's so lacking.

[@dominicballinger6536]

I quite enjoy how the magic system is more complex and customizable in Oblivion, as it helps you truly make a character that is unique to you! Although the lack of a "forget spell" option like in Daggerfall, at least on xbox, has led to me having a totally terribly organized spell book.

[@FranM8-]

I totally agree with the second one, i hate it that people don't show any emotion when they stand in front of Dovahkiin, Dragonborn, Thane of Whiterun, Harbinger of the Companions, Restorer of the Eldergleem, Dragonslayer, Archmage of the Mages College, Thane of Winterhold, Master of the Thieves Guild, Thane of Riften, Thane of Falkreath, Thane of Morthal, Vanquisher of The vampire Morvath, Escaper of Cidhna Mine, Destroyer of the forsworn, Thane of Markarth, Vanquisher of the Wolf Queen, Thane of solitude, Thane of Windhelm, Peacemaker, Conquerer of Whiterun, Conquerer of Solitude/Windhelm.

[@SBaby]

Well Thanes, I can understand, since every other NPC you meet in Skyrim is a Thane of something (hence their houses), so being a Thane probably just isn't that big of a deal there. As for the Master of the Thieves Guild, well most thieves worth their salt don't go around advertising that they're thieves.

[@SBaby]

As for the Archmage, well if your college was being blamed for almost destroying all of Mundus, would YOU want people knowing you were in charge of it? As for the rest, people do react to the Dragonborn, the Eldergleem and when you kill a dragon a crowd gathers.

[@SBaby]

So yeah, not sure what the complaint is here.

[@FranM8-]

Obviously i was overreacting with all those titles, i even got them from a forum cause they were too many to remember... but what i mean is that in the game, you never feel like a hero when you interact with some npc, i know sometimes you get a few comments.. but it's not that exciting..

[@Alexandre152]

want them to drool for you?

[@rayeyle8533]

I miss swinging my sword under water and casting spells while holding weapons good times in oblivion good times

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+Ray Eyle ya it's really strange that there are slaughtering yet you can't attack underwater.

[@mariavienna1305]

Best point: Skyrim takes it self to seriously 😐 I loved that oblivion was so fairytale like

[@SawyBoy]

Yes

[@randomguy2023]

I really loved the seriousness of Skyrim

[@calebgadison167]

​@@randomguy2023Said no one ever.

[@WeFoundAtlantis]

Oblivion was just the best, funny and unique quests, the most beautiful cities, hilarious voice acting and npc personalities/appearances, just everything. Very fond memories of that game and that period of my life, and I will always cherish it.

[@minganlunaris1503]

lets not forget the one voice actress who restarted her lines and they kept it in game.

[@chrisskull7882]

I have all the og elder scrolls games daggerfall ECT oblivion was the best I never got bored there was so much to do

[@theozlander4629]

imnotgrandpa same :) what was hilarious though is I'd seen a friend play elder scrolls and that's all I knew it was called so when I bought my first PS3 i saw es oblivion and I'm like oh yeah I remember that! But now I know my friend was playing SKYRIM 😂 I started playing oblivion and I'm like "thiiis looks different, meh still fun" lol if I'd found Skyrim that first day I might never have played oblivion like nooooooooo!!!!!

[@AbsolutexxZero]

imnotgrandpa I could never get into oblivion, it just feels to restrictive after playing skyrim and having certain freedoms.

[@theozlander4629]

AbsolutexxZero you have more freedom in oblivion in some ways in fact every aspect of oblivion bar graphics and a couple little things they did tweak in Skyrim tops Skyrim imo. You should give it a go 😀 not saying Skyrim is shite or anything love that too, but oblivion is amazing especially the shivering Isles.

[@JamesTWesson]

Agreed bro, the lack of acknowledgement or recognition for your deeds in skyrim was just the worst man, totally immersion breaking. Like you can walk around in full daedric armor with weapons crafted from goddamn dragon bones, and bandits in hide armor will still be like "CaNt wAiT tO CoUnT uR cOiNs! 🤪" like are u DUMB I absorb dragon souls as my occupation... Skyrim just holds your hand too much and it kinda ruins the experience a little bit, especially with the guilds. I remember running around the imperial city hearing whispers of the Grey Fox and tryna figure out how to get beggars to trust me and tell me about him. In skyrim brynyolf walks up to you the moment you're in riften market and boom, thieves guild. Not to mention you can complete all guilds without having ANY skills related to the guild. You can be a two handed orc warrior and the arch mage despite having ZERO proficiency in magic. Those elemental doors blocking your way in the final quest of the mages guild? There's litterally the necessary spell tome to get passed them right beside the doors, like come on that shit's lame af. The attribute system in oblivion was kinda annoying with how certain skills were tied to certain attributes and that determined if your health, magika or stamina would increase upon leveling, but at the same time attributes actually made races feel distinct and unique. Races in skyrim are effectively only a cosmetic difference and whatever "unique" ability they have, there's a shout or spell in the mid-late game that will do the exact same thing. Skyrim was a more enjoyable game (slightly) but oblivion was a WAY better RPG.

[@corvegazip_rocket7847]

James Wesson. Ik I use dragons has practice dummies and they think they can beat you. They there so strong

[@Vexcron]

Wagner Silva it's actually an opinion

[@Psycho_Badass]

Harbinger of the companions: "you are that new member of the companions, so you what? Fetch the mead?"

[@jabberw0k812]

I liked attributes because it made me actually have to think about how to build my character. Also, my least favorite thing was being the head of the Companions, but still having every single guard laugh and tell me that I "fetch the mead" for them. (Plus a bug where the previous leader who died reappeared at the HQ, and would say, "You still need to prove yourself, whelp.")

[@TheEvilChipmunk]

It is rather irritating, being the Arch Mage of the Wizards Collage, and having some rando punk "advise" you that you should "try to study at the Wizards College". It'd be like being the Dean of a College in real life, and having some passer-by on the street tell you that "you're real smart... you should go to college, and do something with your life".

[@seldomsane5278]

When you go to steal the Elder Scroll for the Theives Guild, I really felt the gravity of what I was doing.... And yes, I didn't use invisibility, which made it all the more nerve-racking!! haha

[@stuartmack7658]

"I am the Guild Master you prick!"...i nearly pissed myself. So True. I loved Oblivion and put hundreds of hours into it. While Skyim also was still fun to play and had a rich world to explore, Oblivion provided a far richer RPG experience.

[@lolegaia]

THE BEST THING IN OBLIVION IS!! when you're walking randomly, 2 npc started their conversation to start a rumor.

[@Yoshi23ii]

True

[@wrongtime9097]

One thing I think Oblivion did better in Skyrim was that your character wasn't immediately a god among men and you were more or less on equal footing with your opponents most of the time, whereas in Skyrim after the quest where you kill your first dragon the game immediately loses all sense of difficulty, as you can stun/weaken/anything you want with your voice, and it causes all sense of intensity do disappear. Come to think of it, the dragon fight wasn't even all that challenging the first time, and it only gets easier as you go along. The only time I found myself challenged in a positive way (not spiting a tribe of giants and being all around stupid) was when I was fighting the dragon priests. Those fights were great

[@kari2570]

I always play on Master difficulty and don't spend any points in enchanting, that makes the game more challenging and makes random drops potentially interesting. I've always disliked enchanting, it makes your character OP and every single item that drops just vendor trash.

[@matthewsmith1779]

Kari You shouldn't have to artificially handicap yourself to get a challenge in the game. I feel that Fallout 4 suffers from this lack of difficulty as well on any difficulty outside of survival mode. There wasn't a single time I felt like the enemies in the game were a threat at all. I've been bodying Death Claws and Mirelurk Queens since level 3. In New Vegas, a Death Claw encounter was ALWAYS dangerous. Didn't matter what level you were on, if you came accross a group (3 or more) of Death Claws you'd better run. You were even in danger of dying from one Death Claw. In Fallout 4, I can walk in, clear out an entire raider camp, and not even touch a stemp pack.

[@iplyrunescape305]

Not even then, WrongTime. When you are this "mighty Dragonborn", no one gives a shit in the long run

[@kekke2000]

I love this kind of gameplay. I use it in other games. Like playing a much worse team in sports games, or start last in racing games. Farming Simulator have a lot of this kind of options aswell. Only make money from xxx. But to be honest, I don't play Skyrim for the challenge. I play it for the leveling up. Always being stronger when when you quit the game compared to when you started. Every hour of gameplay improves the character.

[@kari2570]

Even with all my gripes about the game, I've still spent over 1000 hours on it :P

[@jaksantio1441]

I will never forget the realization of how disappointed I became after I realized that I didn't like Skyrim much comparing it to Oblivion. But I never knew exactly why until one day a friend of mine; who has played as many of the games as I have; said "Even in comparison to Morrowind at times (which is a stretch) it feels dead the colors, the people, the enemies..." It just lost something along the way.

[@OsnosisBones]

Enemies in Skyrim are almost all just reskinned bandits. Even the Draugr, walking corpses, just uses swords and bows, essentially acting just like bandits. Until the DLC, most enemy AI either had weapon wielding humanoid AI, magi wielding humanoid AI, clawed animal AI, or acid spitting animal AI. Enemies aside from the trolls also lacked any need for spell types. They even removed ghosts being immune to anything but silver and magic.

[@KirkDilley]

i remember being able to enchant all my clothing with any enchant i wanted in Oblivion.... i had a cloth set that made me 110% invisible without having to cast any spells, lol. just stupidly fun to start a fight, and the npcs would end up in a massive riot by hitting each other since they couldn't see me....can't do that in Skyrim.

[@humanconsumer2864]

i personally like the more serious tone of skyrim (that's just me tho)

[@ProPrince]

That’s good for the main quest line but shepgorath is supposed to be rediculous

[@randomguy2023]

The sheogorathe quest was pretty ridiculous in the opening and still pretty filing as you were doing the quest

[@doksc]

I died when you said "I am the guildmaster you brick!"

[@jthc5627]

well he said prick but alright

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

meh

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

@@jthc5627 lel

[@misanthropicanthropologist7101]

You'll probably never read this, but one of the things Oblivion did better was the ambient music.

[@jessedubay5964]

Being in the game just felt like a magical experience, largely in part to the music. So good

[@MrZodiac011]

Yeah i'd agree to an extent, but it went from happy sounding music to sad sounding music at random times, Skyrim was more consistent from experience. The Ambient sounds in caves and such however I think Skyrim did much better, caves sounded spooky, in Oblivion is was just dead

[@Jon-jd1nj]

Elizabeth Iris Septim, Heroine of Kvatch Yeah I have to agree, Oblivion had the most immersive exploration/town music that I'll always cherish. Skyrim's was great at first, but after awhile felt bland, as opposed to Oblivion's which came out 12 years ago. And I have to disagree with the comment above. Oblivion's cave music always felt ominous and devious imo and I never felt even remotely threatened in Skyrim.

[@seanbogs]

The music of Oblivion will never leave my mind

[@salami99]

sunrise of fluets. you don't know what it's called, but trust me everyone knows what song im talking about.

[@derplord2157]

i like that in oblivion the people talk to each other about real topics not just a cutscene

[@jovanaavramovic2485]

the best part of oblivion is that people actually recognise your achievements

[@_Tzer]

skyrim needs a dragonborn gets respect mod

[@canisjay]

Actually, there is. Guard Dialogue Overhaul and Dialogue Overhaul.

[@fred5594]

@Fox Boy that never worked for me. My rep never changed no matter what. I had to pay the erikir guy to change it.

[@subhankarbaral9236]

@Kaan Güneş Skyrim Reputation is the name of the mod. In fact, Cutting Room Floor, RDO and Reputation actually used lines that were in game so, Bethesda actually made far more lines just like Oblivion but cut from release. Don't know why they did that.

[@nyarlathotep2825]

@@subhankarbaral9236 Oh I can actually explain why they did so...they're Bethesda.

[@naturazpolski9213]

Skyrim needs the great re-make, from the beginning, not more mods xdd

[@blacksiliva3534]

Skyrim is also missing the best part about Oblivion. The Memes.

[@King-Laszlo-TheHonorable]

Black Siliva I used to be an adventurer like you but then I took an arrow in the knee / let me guess someone stole your sweetroll

[@taloob493]

@@King-Laszlo-TheHonorable skyrim memes are the big chungus to oblivion's Doge

[@bilalthefighter829]

thankyou kind sir

[@King-Laszlo-TheHonorable]

The guards are walking memes

[@cheeseham9503]

If you want to hear a nice stock of Skyrim memes just do a bunch of quests then talk to a guard for 5 hours.

[@nubberton1345]

The biggest problem is the lack of immersion. You don't feel like you're in Tamriel.

[@night6724]

that’s a joke skyrim is one of the most immersive games

[@S0L12D3]

@@night6724these people just hate on Skyrim for the sake of being part of the bandwagon

[@extrage3061]

@@S0L12D3 It's not immersive at all, I have 500 hours in Skyrim and only 100 hours in Oblivion. Skyrim just feels so BORING, every NPC just says the same shit and the game feels like a grind. You are made to feel like a god (which you are or at least are supposed to be more powerful than Gods in the Lore) but instead you are given some shitty ass shouts, no thanks I'd rather have my spell system in Oblivion. Oblivion also gives off more energy like they actually bloody cared about it, also the voice acting is just better.

[@S0L12D3]

@@extrage3061 if you didn’t find Skyrim to be immersive you must not have been playing the same game as me 😅

[@Cernunn0s90]

Oblivion had much better and more interesting quests

[@MacCready_]

Also, Fallout 3 had much much much better quests than Fallout 4. It's a trend Beth Soft is continuing unfortunately.

[@johnny_123b]

Even the loading screen is better.

[@yagroloiii5721]

True, I like looking at the figures in Skyrim but in Oblivion they are shorter

[@leedavis6343]

Yeah one thing I cold never stand with Skyrim was the black slate loading screens for the interactive loading screens

[@thatguyjohnmarston3480]

@@JeebGrandz true

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

@@yagroloiii5721 Tut tut tut, Well that's just because, Skyrim is a bigger game that takes up much more memory to load up then oblivion, innovation my friend, innovation

[@shanecunningham305]

5 things oblivion did better 1. EVERYTHING

[@calebtruth1941]

(shows pictures of Altmer and 2 Bosmer) "Here's a picture of an Altmer, a Bosmer and a Dark Elf"

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+RootinTootin Pootin there actually all bosmer

[@calebtruth1941]

+The Cantina my whole life was a lie

[@someonesilence3731]

Nope the middle one is Altmer.

[@calebtruth1941]

+Someone Silence Altmer's eyes are yellow, hers are red the color of a Bosmer

[@parksliderbarricade4324]

He is right. They are indeed all Bosmer.

[@jacobelmes7737]

‘Ever been to solitude, Beautiful old city’ Wouldn’t call 5 separate buildings a city but it’s 2019 I guess

[@Manudyne]

Yeah. "The greatest city of Skyrim, the capital and heart of the empire in this cold land, with the greatest port" *Made of 10 houses and the port is 1 wooden dock and 2 boats* Pathetic.

[@GodlyDra]

@@Manudyne Oi oi oi, give solitude in Skyrim some credit…. It has 12 buildings

[@-powerband-gamer-6117]

If you play Oblivion you will realize just how unfinished Skyrim is, not to mention oblivion is a breath of fresh air after playing Skyrim, I only started playing it and its amazing, it does so many things that Skyrim left out or lack, who ever directed or made oblivion is a FKNG genius, I salute you.

[@theHeartlessNooB]

Its as he says, the quests were made by robots. and quests are the meat of these games.

[@night6724]

You’re a fanboy and wrong. Skyrim is better at literally everything.

[@clovers6690]

u clearly havent played oblivion@@night6724

[@MrCombatgiraffe]

i've never really delved too deep into oblivion but i gotta say the part about respect and people knowing who you are sounds like a very nice thing.

[@smokind.johnsonn1851]

you should play Oblivion man, i played skyrim before Oblivion but I like Oblivion a lot more than Skyrim, it´s no nostalgy, trust me, you won´t regret!^^

[@Reishadowen]

Oh, where to start? *First* off: Magic. Oblivion's magic was better, and even let you create your own spells! This was my favorite part by far (so many fond memories). While Skyrim tried to innovate with focus spells, it still felt like it had too few spells, and they all cost you so much MP to use, and never got any stronger. You'd just have to swap out for stronger spells. The master level spell? Always started with you spending five seconds waving your hands before casting it, and whatever you were casting it at had already moved on, or hacked off your face. *Second:* Conversations. While radiant conversations NPCs would have with each other was ridiculous, the conversations with the player with always freeze all outside action. This was a serious blessing in disguise. I can't count the number of times I've tried talking to someone in Skyrim, and one of the following would happen: *A:* someone would walk up in between me and the person I was talking to, and then just start sweeping, or eating bread. Right in my face. *B:* Someone else would walk into me, pushing me away, and disengaging the conversation. Coin flip on whether the conversation would start over from the beginning, or if it would act like I already listened to the conversation, and I'd miss out on the dialogue. Maybe even the AI script breaks and I can't finish a quest because the person keeps going "Yes? Hmm?" whenever I try to talk to them to advance the quest. *C:* Some cultist or vampire would come in and kill the person I was talking to, while in the conversation. *D:* The person I was talking to would see some mudcrab behind the wall or something, and it obviously killed their parents for how pissed off they are and won't return to their normal AI until it's dead. Good luck trying to get them to put away their weapon and resume dialogue. *E:* Some random person would walk by, stand right next to me, and start announcing some random line at the top of their lungs, and override the subtitles so I can't hear the mission-critical dialogue from the NPC I was talking to. *F:* Some random person would come up while I was in a conversation with someone else, BREAK THE CONVERSATION, then interrupt it with their conversation. Looking at you Brynjolf. *Third:* The quest log. In Oblivion, you got a journal entry at pretty much every objective that made it very easy to remember what you were doing, and pick up where you last left the game off. In Skyrim, you get maybe a single line telling you the bare minimum and maybe a map marker. *Fourth* and probably the most notable: The overarching antagonist. In Oblivion, you are sprung from your cell by good fortune, as the emperor is trying to trying to escape some assassins, and then the guy even opens up and trusts you. Then he gets offed by low-level assassins, and you get the forwarning that much larger forces are at work. You constantly get harassed by increasingly more high-level enemies of the same cult, until you finally come face-to-face with the Mehrunes Dagon himself. Meanwhile, all of Cyrodil is besieged by oblivion gates, and throughout the game you get the constant feeling that this invasion is a very real danger to Tamriel. What do we get in Skyrim? The first antagonists you meet are the imperials, who disregard paperwork and procedure and are just determined to kill you without knowing who or why. Who saves you? The antagonist, who then directly wrecks all their s**t, and makes you think, "What a swell dragon! I gotta go buy him a beer when I get out!" The next time you meet him, he's raising one of his dragon buddies from the grave, casts some shade for you not knowing how to speak dragon, and then flies off. You don't encounter him again until you fight him near the end of the game....because I guess everyone is saying you have to, so, I guess you have to. What are the rest of his minions doing in the mean-time? F*ck-all, that's what. They're dragons, they just randomly come up, pester you, and then halfway through the fight they get bored and go harass a bandit encampment down the road somewhere. They have no plan besides "fly around a bit and enjoy living again." Sure, NPCs tell you all the time that "prophecy this & that", and he's supposed to end the world, so that's why we have to stop him. But....we never really see the impacts of "dragons are bad, they need to be stopped". That's the thing that, from my very first playthrough, I felt was missing: a sense of "this is evil, I need to stop it".

[@ethpareguth8789]

I really enjoy the world of Skyrim, but I prefer Oblivion's world. Skyrim seems depressing and cold, while Oblivion has forests and lakes and places you really want to explore. I also really loved the Ayleid ruins.

[@49mozzer]

Well it is a cold, mountainous region going through a civil war so that's kinda the point.

[@SBaby]

Well, that's what happens when you have a world that is relatively peaceful compared to a world that is in the middle of a civil war.

[@Aurjelling]

Also, nothing that a mod can't fix, if you really don't like the skyrim climate...

[@SweetParadise68]

And don't forget about Oblivion's overworld music. Ohhhhh man that overworld music. Aimlessly exploring and traversing Cyrodil to this day was one of the best gaming experiences I had. Exploring Skyrim was also fun, but it was pretty bland and colourless a lot of the time. I guess that's accurate to the lore, but it doesn't really make for an interesting overworld with diverse settings.

[@ethpareguth8789]

The whole point of it is about fun. It's a game. Is Skyrim in a civil war? Yes. Does that make things depressing? Yes. But in Oblivion, Cyrodiil just lost its Emperor and is in an Oblivion crisis, and is still more lively than Skyrim.

[@BenRye495]

oblivion's guards were actually scary

[@TheFlipsta97]

yay *STOP!* *YOU'VE* *VIOLATED* *THE* *LAW!*

[@zulkifliali8832]

yeah, get caught! shit in my pant. re load prev save point.

[@artemislogic5252]

try morrowinds.... rip

[@A1918-g2k]

Your country is cucked.

[@SBaby]

I will agree with this. I love that the guards in Oblivion were just badass, yet they got their asses handed to them by the Aldmeri Dominion, and then the Dragonborn in Skyrim is just able to utterly decimate the Thalmor in every major encounter.

[@knowledgetruth4504]

One of the biggest differences that I absolutely cannot stand is this: I cant walk around in skyrim with a weapon, a shield, and still cast a spell; I hate that. It is one of my biggest problems with the game. That and the complete lack of spell variety. I felt there was far more I could do with magica in Oblivion. Especially when it comes to conjuration. In oblivion I conjured up a companion before almost any fight. In skyrim I use my sanguine rose a fair amount, but other than that I rarely summon a flame atronach or familiar.

[@Whydoineedahandlepissoff]

Knowledge Truth conjuration felt really empty in skyrim there's about 5-6 summons and that's it seriously couldn't they have made it so we can summon more stuff

[@wanderingminstrel636]

It's not only conjuration, magic in vanilla skyrim is underwhelming, to put it mildly

[@reesespieces8173]

Touch my lunchables and I'll touch your daughter Oblivion did do magic way better than Skyrim but there are way more summons than 5 or 6 in skyrim but I agree the magic is underwhelming in Skyrim

[@sordos1]

Only "good" part in Skyrim's spells is that conjured weapons now looked like conjured ones instead of daedric stuff but good luck trying to handle your spells&hotkeys when half the time the spell you switched to goes to the hand you didnt want it to go despite marking it in the hotkey to go to the left/or right hand.

[@tarmairon431]

I liked, that the variety of destruction spells was increased until I figured out, that destruction spells are pretty weak if you don't hit a bunch of enemies.

[@friedrichjaeger367]

In the oblivion db questline you can actually notice beforehand that something is off, since contracts change from having diverse and chanllenging ways to kill a target and recieving bonuses for it to just having to walk up to the guy and kill him which feels weird

[@egeorgiades93]

You know what I miss? Unarmed Skill!! Oblivion did that better too since Skyrim takes that away!!

[@ericbrophy5308]

Fists of steal no? If done correctly, that perk can allow you to do quite a bit of damage unarmed.

[@ericbrophy5308]

It leads to the same result, being able to do high amounts of damage with fists. That's the entire purpose of the skill, isn't it? I mean I suppose you could argue that unarmed in Oblivion had actual perks, but on the topic of perks, Skyrim is clearly vastly superior to Oblivion.

[@ericbrophy5308]

Perhaps you should stop being so offensive to others. Just because someone holds a different opinion than you, does not entitle you say things so rude. I'm not sure what's so amasing about hitting people with fists for a few hours, if that's what you call progression. Bethesda games as a whole, in my opinion lack meaningful progression. Just go here fight things and then level. Like that's literally how you progress your unarmed skill in Oblivion. Personally I don't know how anyone could call that progression. It's the same repetitive process. The perks however in Skyrim, offer a greater amount of progression (not enough, however, as your not really forced to choose any perk). When I say vastly superior, i'm referring to just one particular aspect of the game, which Skyrim does better than Oblivion. Just look at how many perks you have in Skyrim. It's quite a lot, where you don't have near as many in Oblivion. Now perks are what truly make a skill unique and special. When I want to decide between heavy or light armour in Skyrim, I personally look at the perks a great deal. It just offers better customisation, than the few perks in Oblivion. If you don't agree with what I have just said, then fine, you have every right to think whatever you want. Where I draw the line, however, is with bigotry. Just because my opinions do not follow yours does not mean you should condescend me like a petulant, child. This is no upfront to your dignity, so stop trying to upront mine.

[@ericbrophy5308]

@Un-broken and victorious I never said my opinion supersedes your own. Instead I said to not say offensive things, to me like I had been dropped on my head as an infant. It's not funny, and adds no value to your argument at all. If you wanted to argue that Oblivion did a certain aspect better (I don't know what you're trying to argue as you have been pretty inconsistent thus far) then you would use rational argument, instead of saying Irrelevant bullshit. That is what you actually call shallow, you hypocrite.

[@ericbrophy5308]

And also I said Skyrim's perk system is better, because it literally has more perks. It goes more in depth than Oblivion's. Is that somehow not a good thing? Stop misinterpreting me.

[@edwardhobbs8491]

I remember finishing the forsworn quests on skyrim but they would still attack me

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+Edward Hobbs ya I found that really frustrating. Because according to the king of the forsworn I was now a forsworn. So why are they trying to kill me?

[@TheRogueEmpire]

those people jsut didnt get them memo. no faxs in skyrim you see.

[@leoalexart]

The only forsworn that don't attack you are the king and his little tribe wherever they live, inside.

[@birddaddydetta]

The Rogue Empire I hope they have vinyl though

[@rickyboughen]

music in oblivion as well lol probs the reason why i still play the game

[@wu1ming9shi]

tbh i only play oblivion to be serious; to be challenged (with mods like OOO ofcourse) and i play skyrim when i'm bored or don't know what to play else. Kinda ironic isn't it? XD

[@Ropewatch]

ricky boughen The Soundtrack is amazing.

[@Ropewatch]

wu1ming9shi Yup.

[@jayive34]

The Sovngarde music was great, though.

[@Winaska]

ill have to disagree with you on that, the soundtrack for skyrim is amazing. oblivionw as good, but still sounded like a video game soundtrack. Skyrim sounds like it was written for a hollywood film series like LOTR

[@zacharyboyd8281]

One thing Oblivion did better than skyrim - Leveled loot. You find 30% reflect magic shield and it just works. Or damage attribute dagger which you tuck for that one strong enemy. In Skyrim you find another blessed war axe, couple of rubies and some gold… Another thing Oblivion did better than skyrim - scrolls. In Oblivion, they are numerous and start as low as 4 septims for a piece. This allows you to have massive arsenal at your fingertips without hassle. Skyrim? Early game you save them because they are loot, late game you sell them because they are useless now. One more thing Oblivion did better than skyrim - towns. In Oblivion, you remember each city as something. Skingrad is city of nutters and wine, Anvil is anchorage, Bravil is depression, Imperial city is mushroom farm, Bruma is city of cold and nords… Skyrim? Dawnstar, Morthal, WInterhold part without university? Boringly SAME!

[@anderporascu5026]

Well since Cyrodiil feels like the European Renaissance and like China during its golden age of course its the place we return to constantly, Skyrim felt like the dark ages, cold-shouldered, bitterly cold, old timers stuck in their ways, no one appreciating what you did even though you saved their bacon from inevitable doom, jerkish, seems like the only thing they call culture is dung farming, stuffy nobles, seriousity all the bleeding time like they are the Qunari of Tamriel or something, brothels and the dirty women as their only form of entertainment besides getting drunk all the time, hunting (which may not be that bad) which seems all they live for, and being a bunch of racist douchebags heaped with major arrogance like they are the world's salvation. Cyrodiil is a mitigation of cultures from all across Tamriel so you can get savage culture, barbarian/viking nords, the flavorfully high fashioned or greco-romanesque imperials (no need for brothels as they got courtesans who also entertain and party), the fairytaleness of the High Elves, the asianesque blades, like you said a lot of diversity. There was also apparently some dwemer ruins from what people laud so there is the 'steampunk' aspect to Cyrodiil, you'd probably find that aside from its merits Morrowind doesn't offer a lot of diversity. Verdict from everyone is Skyrim felt like most entertainment of the 00's, terrible absolutely a tragedy. Then again Skyrim's development was mostly in the 00's before being released in 2011 so there you have it with the 'what the hell were they thinking?!', wow you guys got me rambling!

[@anderporascu5026]

@@wabbajack674 at least Skyrim wasn't like the Twilight movies or The Last Airbender movie (ugh I wanted to bleed my eyes out after watching that butchered film, all the lore and everything about the show put below the headsman's axe in that one movie) but yeah after you finished everything there was very little to keep you wanting to play it save for the mods.

[@Sandstimes]

Tbh yeah I played skyrim first and even before I got my hands on oblivion I hated how bland most of the cities in skyrim were. I thought riften and windhelm were ok since they were different compared to the rest but the constant dark and gloomy atmosphere of those cities ruins them a bit. The only cities I actually liked were solitude and whiterun. Solitude comes the closest to being a city and whiterun was a lot more hospitable than the other cities and was a sort of home base. Skyrim does take itself too seriously. Oblivions cities felt a lot bigger and more diverse and alive. They each clearly had their own unique identity and, despite the graphics, they were more aesthetically pleasing too. You'd never find a city like cheydinhal in skyrim. What good are better graphics if your palette is so muddy

[@gnuling296]

@@Sandstimes I loved Skingrad. Cheydinhal and Bruma. I also liked Leyawiin and the Imperial City. Chorrol was an acceptable medieval city with a nice Fighters Guild hall and nice inns. :D In Skyrim only Windhelm and maybe Riften seemed tolerable to me, but they still couldn't make up that feeling of emptiness that Skyrim's world and everything evoked...

[@gnuling296]

About the leveled loot, I agree with Wabbajack. It was handled terribly in both games but it was more apparent in Oblivion that normal materials started to vanish and everyone wore/carried "rare" items. Rare items should always be rare and normal items should always be common. That is good world design.

[@oFiiREo]

The Sheogorath on Skyrim was massively disappointing to me - When ever I did an Oblivion playthrough, as soon as i could go into the Shivering Isles I did because of how interesting the world was and the characters. When it popped up on Skyrim I was like "oooooh boy here we go time for some zany shenanigans" But no, let down :( I dunno if it is nostalgia, but Oblivion will always just be a superior game, IMO - MY OPINION I KNOW SOMEONE READING THIS WILL DISAGREE WHICH IM 100% FINE WITH

[@ethpareguth8789]

Another reason why Oblivion is better than Skyrim is the fact that I could keep tabs of my position in the guilds I was in. I hardly know what I am in the College of Winterhold, and becoming Listener of the Dark Brotherhood early on kind of killed that guild for me. I still don't know what's going on in the Companions. There's no Arena, and no Mages Guild. In Oblivion, I knew my position. I could keep tabs on what guild I'm a part of, and what position I held in that guild. Becoming the Listener of the Dark Brotherhood was a surprise at the end. Stealing the Elder Scroll and getting the Gray Fox cowl was awesome, and going through all the Mages Guild missions to get to the Arcane University made me feel like I accomplished something.

[@kingzog3686]

I would like one thing changed in skyrim and it is that i would like some recognition for doing thing, like when you Alduin and save the world no one gives a shit, yea I have had some recognition from some NPCs but that only like 4 of 5 NPCs maybe less. I would like shop vendors to say something like "Its an honor to have you in my shop Dragonborn" etc.

[@codussigma]

I miss Oblivions Lockpicking. a lot of people shit on it, saying the new way is harder, but i call bull. i could spend 10 or more minutes in oblivion trying to pick a high level lock, while in skyrim i've actually memorized all but the master level sweetspot locations. ffs, they just copied and pasted the same lockpicking system from fallout 3 and new vegas. plus, oblivions system is much more realistic as, when picking an actual lock, what you're doing is lining up the pins inside, not just twisting the pick around like a kid picking his nose

[@Here_is_Waldo]

I loved Oblivion lockpicking. You could have a skill of 1 lockpicking and still get through a master lock if you were good enough. I deliberately went around picking any lock I saw just for the fun of it. I never understood why so many people disliked it.

[@codussigma]

they dislike it because it actually took skill and timing instead of finding which of the 6 preset sweetspots randomly got selected for you.

[@mjc71189]

I was about to mention lockpicking. Oblivion's version is much more challenging and interesting.

[@MRWolficer]

Also there was a nce spell to open lock, so you can be mage and thief at the same time.

[@DamnedUsernameThing]

Then get the Open spell, or set security as a major skill so it's easier for you.

[@tgnm9615]

I just started to play Oblivion a few days ago. The most memorable thing Ive experience was the guard arrested me after I tried to steal a horse lol. Him shouting at me gave me chills down my spine

[@deathatlantic4233]

Dude, when I first played Skyrim back when it was released, after a month or so, I had this feeling that something was off, but I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was. I think you really hit the nail on the head with this video, and answered my question that I've been asking myself for a long time: "Why is it that Oblivion was so much better?" The only answer I had up to the point I watched this video was that the quests were subpar in comparison. Playing a Dark Brotherhood quest in Skyrim vs in Oblivion, it's blatantly obvious how much more love went into the latter. Every quest had a unique twist, and there was a bonus if you could do something a certain way. Great video!

[@theHeartlessNooB]

Agreed, the quests in Skyrim are all the same garbage.

[@maciejjagielski4136]

Ahhh I loved the dark brotherhood quests in Oblivion, the whole atmosphere of being in that guild was just so much better, I was disappointed how Skyrim changed everything :/

[@sarkasmt2]

I love Skyrim... but the lack of classes still makes me annoyed to this day. I also loved how the thieves guild in Oblivion started out by treating you as a nobody, and you, yourself needs to work your way up the criminal ladder. In Skyrim I always felt like I was hailed as a god among men. Think about it, the first proper quest you get is a hiest on an estate that even the guild veterans couldn't do on their own. But now I'm suppouse to do it? Didn't I just join yesterday?? What the actual fuck?? Skyrim does have its moments, and it's a lot of fun to play... But Oblivion is the game that I remember the fondest... all flaws and bad npc dialogue included :)

[@TheCantinaChannel]

+sarkasmt2 before you even join the guild brynjolf is talking about how you are going to change everything. Even if you fail the first quest.

[@redlegionknight2194]

Probably the worst thing about Skyrim is the fact that they took away my hotkey for spells and replaced it with a bunch of really crappy shouts that honestly aren't even worth it because I don't use them

[@funybirbman3813]

There are hotkeys

[@Mr3cman]

something you can in in oblivion that you don't see in skyrim is npcs who go to other cities occasionally or have a thing they do once a month. like quill weave, who heads to chorrol once a month to meet her friend. I think that's really cool, like what if once a month lillith maiden-loom, who claims to be friends with maven black briar actually showed that by going to riften.

[@sloananderson7445]

Oblivion had spell crafting. That was always amazing to see just how far you could push some of the spells and make them absolutely absurd. Damn this video makes me want to go play Oblivion again... maybe I will

[@ArmouredProductions]

Mine is. And all of what is said in the video. ESPECIALLY the recognition part. Felt underappreciated in skyrim 1) Story 2) Side Quests 3) Magic 4) Landscape & Color Palate 5) RPG Elements BONUS: Music (While Skyrim had some good and memorable tracks, almost all of Oblivion's is memorable.)

[@thegreycrusader]

Armoured Productions Pyromancer was incredibly slow though...

[@RagingGoblin]

Wow. I think I actually disagree with all of your points except quests :). 1) Plot is a matter of taste, so I don't want to argue over it. I personally just like the one from Skyrim because it fits better into the world you're wandering. Skyrim has a lot of mysteries and forgotten lore all over the place, and the main quest touches on that. Not that it does so particularly well, but there you go. 2) Yep, agree. 3) Nope. Both are horrible. But Bethesda's balancing is always horrible, so that doesn't bother me - really. 4) I prefer the austere and cold looks of Skyrim to the randomly generated fairy-like meadows and forests that were...just empty. 5) Nope, both games fail spectacularly as RPGs. But that's not too bad because they never really attempted to be a classical RPG in the first place. Skyrim is, even more so than Oblivion, combat-focused though, true. Bonus; Music: Can't say I agree. For me, Oblivion had two, maybe three outstanding tracks (Auriel's Ascension, Wings of Kynareth and Glory to Cyrodil). That's actually already a REALLY good score for a game, and Oblivion's soundtrack is truly great. Skyrim, on the other hand, does take a much different approach, and it's not fair to compare them 1:1. In contrast to Oblivion, which tries to paint a scenery with memorable, distinguishable tracks, Skyrim tries to subtly enhance the game with loads of atmospheric music - and it does so really, REALLY well. In fact, I might say music might straight up be the best part of Skyrim, and it does what it sets out to do much better than even Oblivion (which is already really good at it). Even then, Skyrim had some incredible tracks. The atmospheric tracks during the night, for instance, or the Sovnguard hymn.

[@ArmouredProductions]

That's perfectly ok. What people find good about certain games is completely subjective. In terms of why I said Magic was better, was because of Crafting and the fact that magic is tied to a hoykey. So you can use a bow or a shield or a two-hander and magic. But hey, i'm sure we're all in agreement that Mods make everything better!

[@rainenelson8659]

RagingGoblin 👏

[@rezz2677]

Armoured Productions I agree with everything but the music. I've racked up 100+ hours on oblivion, morrowind and skyrim and I gotta say skyrim had the best soundtrack. All the tracks make so calm and nostalgic, I guess it's just a personal opinion though

[@BETRvids]

As a lover of the Dark Brotherhood gameplay, questline and faction as a whole, I'm going to go ahead and say: I loved the uniforms in Oblivion, and the questline was WAY better. In Skyrim, I ALWAYS wanted to get that black cloak that makes me seem like a sinister assassin, but I NEVER wanted to wear the gear that was given to me in Skyrim.

[@kaustuv5682]

I may be wrong but the outfits were pretty much the same. Except in skyrim they added red color to the armor. they also added boots and gloves

[@Nick-mp1zh]

I always wore the Nightingale armor when I would do dark brotherhood stuff in Skyrim, that armor looks great

[@shingnosis]

I agree, the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim felt childish and boring. Dark brotherhood in Oblivion was 10x better.

[@trixunofficial]

Skyrim Dark Brotherhood armor is just sad, to put it bluntly. I totally agree. I loved those robes, LOL. And in Oblivion, it was an honor to receive robes. Plus Oblivion DB armor seems to be more effective than Skyrim DB armor.

[@trixunofficial]

OMGB, ME TOO! Though to be honest, after I got that armor, that was all I wore, LOL.

[@adog2706]

This may sound weird to all of you, skyrim gives me amazing nostalgia, the music, the gameplay. I understand the main quest and many quests are absolutely dust compared to oblivion, I just found skyrim much more fun, no need to offend.

[@Divinemakyr]

What do you think this dude is trying to say? He's critiquing Skyrim, not saying it's a bad game, or that Oblivion is better.

[@subhankarbaral9236]

Let TESVI come. People will then say how Skyrim is better than ESVI. Just wait. People only love to criticize things, not to appreciate things.

[@Watermelone-kx2zx]

@@Divinemakyr "or that Oblivion is better." title of the video: 5 Things Oblivion Did Better Than Skyrim

[@Divinemakyr]

@@Watermelone-kx2zx That's my point. Thanks for repeating it.

[@Watermelone-kx2zx]

@@Divinemakyr but i thought your point was that this was a critique of skyrim, and that he isn't saying oblivion is better

[@demoniclabs1014]

Oblivion was and still is a better game. Skyrim just looks better and has awesome mods. If I wanna mod my game and kill stuff for a couple hours It's Skyrim. If I wanna spend a week enjoying a fleshed out game It's Oblivion.

[@pepethefighterfroggins8570]

Yea I loved traversing across oblivions beautiful and almost Italian like landscape, I loved roleplaying as an imperial centurion and just cutting everyone down to size

[@davidgesslin5097]

I feel the same way, sneaking around in skyrim for a couple of hours and killing bandits is super fun, cut someone's head of, slit someone's throat or get really satisfying long range shots. But that's about it for me. For an immersive experience I would go with Oblivion. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic bc I haven't played Oblivion in years. But man, that Dark Brotherhood questline. Jeez. Also Oblivion I can play just vanilla, but Skyrim drives me crazy if I don't have mods installed.

[@paistinlasta1805]

Dear Godd HowardPlease let Elder Scrolls 6 be more like Morrowind and Oblivion.

[@anderporascu5026]

Pray my friend, pray ES6 doesn't feel like another cobwebs for a brain game. Pray the devs care enough about their baby to not miscarry it again.

[@dirt2906]

don't get your hopes up. you saw what happened to Fallout 76

[@Bauglir100]

@@dirt2906 Fallout 76 wasn't a main game, much less in their flagship franchise. It was a failed experiment, and nothing more.

[@TheMissileHappy]

They should take the best of Skyrim, Oblivoon and Morrowind and make into an even better game

[@CommanderKappa]

A mix of all three!

[@turdfurgeson4943]

Call me crazy but I liked that you had to keep weapons and equipment in good condition or they would break. It added some depth and made your stuff feel special.

[@jacksmith4530]

I like the leveling system in oblivion. I'm on an island apparently lol

[@creapygaster3073]

Yes but I have to repair them so much and repair cost so much

[@thalassaer4137]

@@creapygaster3073 yeah thats the charm it gives a bit of challenge plus it feels abit realistic

[@dracoinsanity]

I agree with these points and that both Skyrim and Oblivion brought their own perks and downsides to the table. In my personal opinion (as blasphemous as it is), I found Oblivion to be more enjoyable overall as a whole. Not only do I agree with every point made on this list, but I also have one of my own. The MAIN story just felt more important in Oblivion. Saving the world from the unending forces of Oblivion and the daedra just felt a lot more epic that "some dragon who only really has a beef with Skyrim itself is back for revenge!." In that sense, I also felt that if I played a character NOT connected to Skyrim (which I usually did, such as a Khajiit), I felt like I didn't really care, because 90% of the Nords didn't give a crap about me. lol

[@Hendahir]

I totally agree with you! When you reached a portal and the sky turned red, and even the look of oblivion itself was one of madness, when even the plants would want to kill you. Dragons are just... well, dragons.

[@arseflap1337]

What you're saying may sound ludicrous because the main story in Skyrim is just as dramatic and urgent as Oblivion's. HOWEVER, Oblivion does so much more to show that the world is in danger by having Oblivion gates open in random places in the map, not just outside cities etc. whereas Skyrim just spawns a couple of dragons every few hours. Furthermore, Oblivion's main quests themselves (Save for a couple) were brilliant and had a great sense of progression: characters would die, scenery would change, people would begin to respect you and recognise you, and especially towards the end, some areas of the game change forever! In Skyrim, I just don't get a sense of urgency or the feeling that anybody actually cares about me, despite the fact that I'm the most pivotal character currently alive in Tamriel. I mean, early in Skyrim (After you defeat the first dragon) a guard, and the guards that are in the vicinity, call you Dragonborn and are in awe that you, a LEGEND, are standing before them. After that though? Nobody cares. Like, literally nobody. I'm not even being blinded by nostalgia here, as I'm well aware that Oblivion suffers A LOT of issues. However, most people that have played both Oblivion and Skyrim will agree that things in Oblivion seem much more consequential and memorable than in Skyrim. I've actually played Oblivion for about the same amount of time as Skyrim, and I can barely remember ANY of Skyrim's quests, I'm not joking. Sorry this is so long, but damn Skyrim is a disappointing "sequel" to the amazing Morrowind and Oblivion titles.

[@patrickblackwell777]

As a role player, I'm totally with you. If I didn't select Nord as my race, I had a hard time getting involved with the main stories. Especially true if I was a non-human.

[@estellevu8076]

Am I the only one that has an issue with my outdoor vendors constantly dying from dragon attacks? Also, having two dragons pop up can be a headache.

[@TMIATC]

Skyrim Quest: "I lost the thing in a cave. Can you get me the thing?"

[@battlemageblitz82]

Oblivion Quest: Go get my Jumbo Potatoes.

[@budakbaongsiah]

@@battlemageblitz82 Have you ever heard of an Ogre stealing potatoes in any other place, though?

[@burak7371]

Oblivion: F O R K