Toyota Sienna Sliding Doors | Why This Door Cost $1800+ To Repair? Everything You Need to Know

A Toyota Specialist explains why Toyota Sienna sliding doors are so expensive to repair and some tips and tricks on repairing these doors.
In this video you watch an entire process of repairing a sliding door on a 2006 Toyota Sienna that has a broken cable and seized latch along with all precautions and advice on this one
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0:00 Intro
0:28 What is the Problem?
1:42 Door Disassembly
16:34 Why This Cost Over $1800
20:22 Important Cable Information
27:52 Door Reassembly
51:17 Final Checks and Verification
52:00 What Cars are In The Shop Today?

[@doctorairflow]

AMD you rock. I just bought a used 2012 Sienna. Your video on the ridiculously complicated video on changing the back three spark plugs in the 3.5L should have won an award (if there was such a thing.) I sent you $10. I have to admit that when I picked up my 2012 i was not thrilled that it had power sliding doors. After watching this video on how freaking complicated and expensive a sliding door repair would be if either side crapped out I wondered if there was a way around spending all this time a money for a repair. I just went through the 779 page Toyata manual and found that there is a inconspicuous dashboard button at around 4 o'clock from the steering column which says "power door off." I just switched it off and found that both my doors operate by hand. If my door ever go south I will just flip the switch and pretend it is 1984 (or whatever year it was before the advent of monumentally Stupid and PointlessTechnology.) Cheers and keep it up!

[@triaxe-mmb]

As someone without the power sliding doors...I am trying to add it to my van, lol

[@SuperSnakePlissken]

I just performed this same repair on my 2008 Odyssey but on both sides. I have a small fleet of cars thanks to having five kids and three of them are driving now. So, four of our vehicles are Honda and I have a Toyota Tundra. The one that has been the best vehicle so far is our 2008 Honda Odyssey EXL. 204,200 miles trouble free, and somehow survived three kiddos learning to drive on it. My current 16 year old has the honor of driving it to school everyday, and just like this van the sliding door motor went out. Fortunately, my brother helped me take the motor out and repair it on our own, but it still cost me almost $1000 in parts since I decided to just replace both sides due to the age of the van. I have two more kids that need to learn to drive on that van, but living here in Texas with zero rust I am confident she will survive the elements...the kids driving....who knows! Great video.

[@HoustonRoad]

Wow. Nice job dad!!

[@TheProtagonist_777]

How did your pay $1,000? I paid only to $115 to have the cables replaced. That price included the service and return shipping. I paid around $15 to ship the motor to California from Illinois.

[@SuperSnakePlissken]

@@TheProtagonist_777 I replaced the entire system motors cables and all. $421.00 a piece for those with tax times two it came to almost $1,000.

[@timothymarshall9631]

I do like the shop updates at the end of the video. It gives us all your a little better appreciation of what you and your team are doing to make these videos so insightful and informative. Thank you

[@nightblack257]

Definitely agree with you!

[@josephschneider5000]

Yes absolutely! Enjoyed the perspective and hearing about what cars have what issues as many won't make it into a video and rightly so.

[@wicky383]

Taking me back to my day's at the dealership. Must of done 50 of these. I do not miss those day's but for some reason I enjoy watching someone else do the work.

[@Kevin-mp5of]

*days *must have 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@jeremylivingston9460]

is there a trick if it won't open manually either, have one with a broken cable but it will not open manually or unlatch the front lock actuator ( ii think thats the issue) on a 15 sienna driver side sliding door. had a guy at my shop "diag" it and couldn't open the door. I'm left holding the hot potatoe. thanks

[@Paul71H]

My family has had 3 Siennas. They have been great vehicles for us. But on every one of them, the power doors stopped working at some point around 200,000 to 250,000 miles. We just turned off the power door using the switch near the steering wheel, and used the doors manually after that, and for the most part they have worked fine. I always figured it would be too expensive to fix it, and this video confirms that!

[@alannguyen5050]

I love the end summary of what is going on in the shop! Those updates are great to know. Keep up the amazing work AMD!

[@_analog_photo]

+1 for end summary

[@frankponte4031]

I've replaced the cables on both sides of my '08 Sienna w. ~198,000 miles on it. Neither cable broke but both began delaminating. I found it easer to remove both second row seats for better access. Did both sides at the same time and it was quite a workout. Used OEM parts as well and purchased the service kit.

[@chrisloving2]

How much did you spend on parts?

[@marklindstrom433]

If you just do the cables, do you need to take out the glass?

[@Shade_Tree_Mechanic]

Wow, I never put much thought into how complex sliding doors are on minivans. Awesome video

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

it's powered so yeah it's complex, powered doors are usually found on ultra luxury cars like Rolls Royce

[@kerrylewis2581]

I'm worried about my power rear hatch on my 2023 RAV4, but this is so much more of a headache when it ages.

[@ddawson8069]

yeah all i've know since almost forever is that i don't want a powered sliding door or a powered rear hatch. Window motors can be a pain enough and very expensive to fix! Great job Man and may the LORD bless you also,,,

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@ddawson8069 I just don't get why everybody is hyping these up so much. It's not that practical to have them but they're expensive

[@PearComputingDevices]

It's definitely a job... very expensive job.

[@Biffwellington4518]

I have a 2008 Camry 4 cylinder with 170K that has been experiencing rough idle problems for about six months. Initially it started by idling at about 600 rpm with a definite vibration which I felt it just needed to relearn the idle speed (which I did). As the temps in Tx increased, I noticed the AC was having a very difficult time keeping up with the 100 degree plus temps especially at stops. With the AC on, the idle was noticeably worse. I did replace the air and cabin filters but the idle did not improve nor did the ac cooling. In June, I took it to my then trusted mechanic and they replaced the plugs, and performed a chemical fuel injector clean with little help to the idle. I then took it back to the same shop in Sept and found the guy who went to school with my wife had retired. During that span I monitored the gas mileage closely. I had been getting 24-26 MPG but noticed it had dropped to just over 20 MPG. The shop said the motor mounts were bad as were the ac compressor, alternator and belt tensioner. It did not make sense to me that the mileage would drop that much if the mounts, compressor, alternator and tensioner were bad but gave the OK to replace the mounts, alternator and tensioner (they wanted $2300 to replace the compressor, evaporator and other parts in the AC system). After so called repair, the shop guy tried to convince me it was better but the car was cold and idling at about 1.2K RPM. I took it home I found the rough idle felt MUCH worse than ever as the car warmed and idle dropped to 600 rpm as before. I then found your throttle body clean video. Before the throttle body I sprayed down the MAF sensor with Mass Air Flow Sensor cleaner with no help. I then carefully performed your throttle body clean as instructed with Mass Flow Sensor cleaner. I did notice that when my wife pressed the gas pedal down the butterfly valve did not open smoothly. Just as it opened at about 1/4" and before it fully closed at the same spot I noticed the butterfly look like it was sticking a little as it moved. It did fully open and close but just was not a smooth movement. After the TB clean, the idle was markedly better but still rough and a little more so when the AC is turned on. It is now idling warm at about 750 to 800 rpm instead of 600 as before. It may be a little sluggish from a stop but I can not really notice any difference in the way it drives. It is one of those oil burner engines from the era even though I am a religious 5K oil changer. I'm also the original owner. We're in the middle of a home sale and purchase and need to keep this car running for another year. No codes have ever popped up for this issue and I maintain the car pretty well.

[@joncarlos716]

I would say this job is a 6 out of 10 if your diy guy depending on what it actually is because this door can have a number of problems. My cable was fine, but the plastic pulley on the bottom next to the motor was stripped. And so I skipped the the dealership and went to the junkyard found exactly what I was looking for and works fine now. The whole problem with this door is weight it’s too heavy. I actually work for Denso this is probably one of the biggest markup price on a part.

[@coloradoboo1071]

Great job and, yes, those prices are ridiculous!! My daughter had an 08 Honda Odyssey and those sliding doors were always giving me issues. She got t-boned so it was totaled and I told that door “you had it coming!!”

[@hardtail669]

I enjoy seeing what’s going on in the shop hearing some of the issues people encounter with the ever day use is quite informative

[@arthurdardalis]

AMD is a great mechanic. It is obvious though having watched a lot of his videos that modern Toyotas have a lot of inherent problems. Anyone can now see that the past “famed” Toyota quality is no more.

[@charley95sheridan44]

It's even more prevalent with other manufacturers. I used to be all GM but, they're notorious for premature failure. 10 year old RX here and I've had zero repairs so far on it. Although it is getting older so, future repairs will be needed.

[@triaxe-mmb]

I think it's in comparison to other manufacturers...as vehicles get more complicated, problems are bound to arise

[@LYNDONGOLDEN]

I appreciate the level of personalized care (and discussion) you provide for each car in the shop!

[@aquamancrow]

Great video! I have replaced 3 cable assemblies on 2 different 2nd Gen Siennas (06 and 09). I found it very useful to remove the 2nd-row seat nearest the door you are working on. It makes the mechanic's yoga so much easier. 😊

[@geologic740]

It's nice of you to explain how these things work and would appreciate more info on the automatic doors of this generation and what else can go wrong. I've seen that door close all the way until it touches the front latch and then opens again, although it opens without issue and will pull the back of the door in when the front is manually latched. Your effort in putting out valuable, professional content is very much appreciated.

[@justgerry2381]

I hope more mechanics have the same work ethics as you do. Some mechanics can fix cars but does not care if they break something else along the process, or lost some small components or smudge the areas they are working in the vehicle. Most car owners noticed these things. So I hope mechanics are taking notes if these things because a happy costumer always come back to you if they are satisfied with your work.

[@danettej4796]

Thanks for all your videos. You are showing people why car repairs are so expensive. Keep up all the great work you do. 👍

[@edgarsullivan2499]

I had a 2004 Sienna CE which did not have this feature. I kept it until 2010. It had 120,000+ miles when I traded it in with no issues. The mechanics were always congratulating me for not getting the LE with the power sliding doors. Now I see why.

[@flavellinator]

You're absolutely right! I have a 2005 CE with 70k miles and I'm happy NOT to have the power slider. But, one of the doors does take a little extra effort to shut it.

[@Yufina88]

I have never seen Sienna before, but I still get joy from watching this. Thank you!

[@tedwoghiren4002]

Congratulations, both. You guys are like a family. It's lovely to see your family grow over the years. God Bless you all

[@calebcolvin6481]

We have an 06 Sienna and the door release actuator broke. We just turned the door off and use it as a manual door. Easy fix 😅

[@gerdberg4188]

As long as that rear latch keeps working , even in manual it still runs the motor to latch !

[@tridentt55]

The update on the shop is great. It's a nice touch at the end. And wow the floor is holding up nicely.

[@michaelcarson8375]

You took your time and filmed it all, thank you!!! I've already watched this video while not logged in.

[@anadogan2183]

Absolutely love the shop tour at the end of each video. Thanks. God bless the Car Care Nut Family.

[@johndiaz7240]

Yes we do love the shop updates. So much work is your fault, you guys are too good.

[@irnbird1]

You have an extraordinary amount of patience! I would have lost my mind dealing with that.

[@ffl1409]

As someone who can barely change a flat tire, it always amazes me how automobile mechanics can seamlessly jump between so many makes and models and problems. Electrical, hydraulics, mechanical, structural engineering all wrapped in one. Wonder what iphones-on-wheels, aka EVs, going to do to this profession.

[@ismailmalif5100]

Good work CCN!! Good to see your progress!! I hope u start passing your valuable knowledge to next generation

[@socalcgvet]

I think it's a great addition to your videos to add on the other stuff you're working on in your shop. Great stuff!

[@tonymaciel1887]

I don’t know how you stay so calm and collected while working. Thank you

[@mikechiodetti4482]

For what the door is setup to do, it is very complex. This is another video I'm going to keep even though I don't know anyone with a Sienna van and I don't own one. This video is for the "just in case" I meet someone with this cable problem. Very good video complete with all the tech tips I appreciate coming from someone that's performed the job many times. Very Good AMD! Thank you. One more item. I like your work tour showing us all the vehicles that need repair. My Dad's shop used to be like that back in the late 1950's through 1976. As I got older I would help him on Saturdays.😊

[@moshet842]

I did this job this past summer and didn't cost anywhere near $1800. I used aftermarket parts but it is still working great! I think the part cost less than $200 and the job took me about 3 hours.

[@ekaftttt]

That’s the difference between DIY and getting a professional to work on your car .

[@yournightmare9999]

It has always been the case that the stupid person who don't know nothing always pay

[@jdub976]

Yup sometimes you just have to do it yourself. You will be broke if you pay someone to do everything for you.

[@jdub976]

Yup sometimes you just have to do it yourself. You will be broke if you pay someone to do everything for you.

[@phillipbridge5009]

Aftermarket parts are usually inferior. But if it works and that's the budget with no cost for time, awesome.

[@robertshaw6342]

You make me better! Great techniques and practices shared. I haven’t seen a video showing the different connectors and how to manipulate the locks. I’ve seen some videos that show how to do the locks but not on others. Like the VSV wiring you repaired the old connector. I ordered a pigtail replacement so when I get it I’ll know how to get the old one off.

[@landdon24]

Thanks CCC for making awesome Toyota videos! This will be very useful for my 16 sienna in the near future!

[@jayicg6189]

I love the updates at the end. Please keep doing them. It's only about2-3 minutes extra

[@MaikelAt]

I do like knowing what's going on on the shop, please continue doing it, keep us posted. Thanks!!

[@drticzon]

I have a similar Sienna: 2006 Sienna Limited AWD. It has just a little over 89,000miles (all highway miles) and still in mint condition. Every time it visits the local Toyota dealership (to have services done before needed), the advisors always walk around it and admire it. The last advisor said, "This Sienna is hardly used. It still has the plastic covering on the outside cables for the side sliding doors." The rear brakes are still the original brakes that came the factory. The dealership said there is a lot of pad left on the rear brakes and only replaced the front. The Sienna spends most of its time in a heated garage under a tarp, and only goes out for family vacation trips (I do drive it once a month just to start it). I enjoy watching your Toyota videos.

[@flagmichael]

The devil of it is the Sienna is a nice vehicle when horrible problems are not surfacing.

[@DarthContinent]

Cable snapped on my driver's side 2nd gen Sienna's sliding door, so went ahead and got the replacement assembly for like $60 off Amazon. Then, I reviewed this and other thorough instructions about how it's necessary to basically disassemble the sliding door, remove the window and numerous clips and bolts and panels and trim, etc. Returning that part as rather than invest a day or more in the repair I think I'd prefer a manual sliding door. No compelling need for the power door anyway, enjoyed it while it lasted these 15+ years. Props to whoever goes the distance, you're a more patient fixer than I! 😀

[@carolcarola9719]

As a long time fan of your channel, I am so happy for you and the new Lexus. God bless you, your family, and the Lexus.

[@joshuazondo4764]

I've been dying to know what problems the other cars in your shop have, and I'm happy to see you take us through the details. I will call that an update. This also gives us a bird's view of how hard your work is and how quick you take to finish it

[@justinlanglais9825]

Great job on that door Amd, and yes I do enjoy the shop tour of current work in progress! You're a busy guy! I have an immaculate 2011 Camry SE.... and I do all my own routine maintenance down here in a suburb of Indy... if anything major comes up I'll be taking it to YOU ! 👍🏼

[@kiwoomaali9691]

I like the fact that you don't rush things. I really enjoy watching you it's satisfying

[@vehicle-stuff]

Nice too see something else. Something useful, that a home mechanic can do with a spare Sunday. I had a similar problem with a car of ours, the cable broke, but the minivan has manual sliding doors and everything was way easier. Thanks 👍

[@FakeItalianoII]

Another GREAT VIDEO !! Thanks, Car Care Nut ! Pity cars are getting more and more DIY unfriendly, Mechanics like you are the ones to come to for help !

[@multirotormanish7220]

I love the shop tour at the end of the video. Well done once again AMD and Crew!!!

[@kerryp1525]

I do love how professional you are AND how clean your shop is ! That's refreshing and Unusual.. Kudos! I don't do cars but Electronic repairs, I can't work in a messy, dirty ,Cluttered area ! I would bring my car to you any time! Just don't have any toyotas though...

[@rodh2168]

I also like the shop updates at the end of the video. Your shop has an amazing amount of work under way. The scheduler in the office is certainly busy.

[@v4seaa]

Maaaaan ! It is so rewarding to watch your videos !!!!! You are the best !!!!! Hope you can keep on doing videos to enspire and encourage the rest of us DIYers !!!! Great thanks !

[@atalk143]

Good golly, I just watched a nearly hour long video on how to repair a sliding door for a vehicle that I do not own. I always enjoy these repair deep-dives.

[@denisdizdar704]

Love the updates on cars in your shop that are getting worked on at the end of video. Another great video AMD.

[@emilio325]

I love the “what’s in the shop” quick re-cap at the end and the hint that popped up for an upcoming video.. great addition. Always a pleasure watching your videos! Gonna need a bigger shop soon! lol. God Bless.

[@SheerMagnetismDarling007]

I didn’t realise he was so busy 😮

[@patpatpat999]

Perfect, I just got a 2006 sienna with a broken cable on the passenger slider and a semi functioning door on the side because somehow the rear support bracket that slides along has been bent down words in it drags just enough to fool the door into not closing. Looks like a fun job.

[@jgalmodovar]

I love the updates at the end of the video. Please keep doing them! Thank you

[@YukonHawk1]

I guess I lucked out with my 2008 Sienna with almost 300k on it. Cables never broke. That van owed me nothing! And yes, keep us up to date at the end of your vids. Thank you!

[@jackbowman4788]

AMD-love the shop review you have introduced at the end-creative and well done !

[@TM-hk3ic]

Love the walk arounds. Very interesting to see what you are working on.

[@Pureservize1]

Nicely done. I like the step by step videos and also the updates at the end.

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Keep us updated on what's going on in the shop every video.. I love your channel . I'm a big Toyota fan. And next time you do a rear main seal on a 2013 or 2014 rav4 2ar , do a video.

[@georgev.]

Great and instructive to see what else is happening at the shop.

[@stonewalled9696]

Keep us updated AMD! We love knowing what's going on at the shop. I don't even watch TV anymore; it's all CCN on KZbin.

[@jdub976]

Def like the overview of whats in the shop at the end. Thank you.

[@spankyham9607]

I enjoy seeing what all you have going on. You are blessed with too much work!

[@return.of.the.nac18]

Yes, love the tours at the end😊

[@markjoppa-id5kk]

I like the feature of you showing us the vehicles in the shop and what is needing to be fixed.

[@THEMANCAVE2023]

AMD love your videos. You are an absolute professional and have such integrity for your profession and yourself. Thanks, brother !

[@AZM195]

Love the shop addition, please keep doing that 👍

[@ivanmak1210]

thanks AMD for another great video, and yes, please continue to include a quick tour at the end of the video.

[@martinlugus5499]

Definitely continue with inspections. You did not have to mention that you forgot a couple of tasks - but truth continues to prevail at your shop!

[@Comfortably_Numb]

Yes, love seeing what's keeping you busy

[@clintmulford2443]

I do like the ending. Keep up all the good work. I don't own a Toyota or a Lexus. But I enjoy your videos. Their great!! 🤘

[@maddydog]

I love all your videos, and yes please keep up the end of video explanations of all car repairs 💙

[@gregkanhai7316]

this guy is one of a kind, lucky to him in your area.

[@jeremyshideler4187]

I LOVE THE UPDATES AT THE END!!! Thank you so much!!!!

[@zac3643]

Yes!! Show us at the end of each video what is in the shop!

[@parkerassociates9864]

Thanks. The shop tours are great!

[@mervwhitney7229]

Is there no end to your talent? Very interesting, as always. Pleased to see you have a full workshop and that business is good.

[@28nukacola]

I replaced 2 of these for family on 2 different siennas only $50 for the part. Not a bad job. Thanks for the video they do help if one hasn't done this before.

[@jasonaileo1605]

where did you get the part for only $50? thanks

[@peterkwok9608]

Thank you AMD for a detail repair video. So gald that God is blessing your business. Continue to doing awesome work my friend. May God continue to bless you and your family 🙌🙌

[@kaafromoz]

Thank You AMD that was a super interesting repair of the sliding door and as you showed us a very expensive one, however it was enjoyable to see what is involved. I am so happy you are so busy even though it can be mentally and physically draining on you, at least you know it is constant work and keeps the bills being paid. I love the idea of showing what is in your shop at the end of every video as we can then keep up with how things progress but was sad to hear the 600,000 mile beauty got oil on the paint that would have been annoying for you. Keep Safe Keep Strong 🦘🦘🦘🦘❤❤❤❤

[@ianriggs]

I do like the quick part at the end showing all the other cars in the shop and what they're in for 👍

[@iTheShirt]

I had a base trim 2020 sienna with manual doors for uber. Thousands of opening and closing and mainly, to avoid this repair. I had no idea it cost so much.

[@tillaryauto]

overcharge

[@charley95sheridan44]

Good idea for the purpose you use it for, sometimes less is more.

[@donaldwest8130]

I have an 2004 and 2020 Sienna, both with manual doors. Never had a problem.

[@bigredgreg1]

I don’t have a Sienna. I have an ‘07 Chrysler Town and Country with 249k miles. My sliders are manual but both have lock actuators that need to be replaced. Using aftermarket parts, I can replace both of them for about $100 or less. But aside from the nuisance factor, I’m not in any hurry to replace them. My baby sister had a Sienna and loved it. I’m not sure why she traded it except she’s in the Chicago area and that alone requires more frequent vehicle replacements.

[@atx-cvpi_99]

The manual doors can fail too.

[@yal100]

Love the updates always! 🙂

[@IknowImNotCrazyYoumightbe]

i did that to my old sienna....it wasnt too hard, but does require step by step instructions, which i found online and used to good success.

[@adventureor7621]

Holy cow pastures. OMG - love my Sienna but hope this never happens to mine - had a 2009 and when i sold her she was still working her doors fine and dandy. I was diligent on lube with them. Have an 11 now and passenger side was acting up not closing all the way would get a fault and go to the open position over and over... so lube lube and more lube. - that worked. I would have to say I think the best thing is lube for these doors - I would love to see a video by you to emphasis the type of lube to use and places to make sure to lube up. - the less stress on these motors and latches - and super complicated door the better - im an engineer and tho i worked on computers most of my life - i would need a cocktail to get thru this whole process! Thanks for your great mechanic prowess !!! I would love also find out how to check sunroof lube points and how to do that also in a video and clear the drain channels in them...I have figured mainly anything that moves or would have stress on it lube it up as a rule tho problem there is the electronics prob shouldnt be sprayed with it

[@donk499]

Love the shop updates, wish my car was in there. Boy o boy, sure would not want to attempt this door cable repair for the first time... Yipes!

[@williamcruz4291]

Very interesting at the end showing the current jobs! Great little segment forsure. About to buy a 06 Sienna with 120k on it. Already acquiring updated oil tubes and a new radiator for a fresh start with the trans oil cooler and other typical 100k maintenance stuff, timing belt, water pump, cam seals etc. Hate that vans have power doors, great when they are new, a terrible pain when they go. Love the content can’t wait for the next one!

[@dixinyamada3198]

the end of the video is a very nice touch i really enjoyed it

[@demetriusboyle5165]

Great video I liked how you described about other cars in your shop

[@LudekNesnidal]

I don't own Sienna, but I watched whole video. I like the comments without any swearing. You are very patient.😁

[@mihalycseh]

Keep the updates at the end! It great to get an idea of what's going on!

[@peterchang4601]

Great video! Love to watch you work!

[@davidsato8756]

Loved the tour and working on the older cars.

[@chrispersaud4104]

Yes. Please keep giving us an update on the vehicle in the shop. 😊

[@DrClubmanCooper]

Amazing explanation ... car care nut style definitely... also loved the last section of the video!

[@rightlanehog3151]

AMD, Like most luxury features, the extra convenience of a power door eventually comes with a price.🤨 On a happier note, I hope your video inspires Toyota to bring back the sky blue Sienna.😁

[@tedbell4416]

Advanced Micro Devices?

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

​@@tedbell4416it's his nickname

[@chibbyylol]

@@tedbell4416the guy in the video, name is AMD (ahmed)

[@michelbrouillette490]

Seeing all this work, I'm happy our '04 is a "Cheap Edition" (CE) with manual doors. Way back when we bought it in 2011, I read on forums how problematic and expensive the power doors could be, but until now I hadn't actually seen it.

[@gflores7018]

Thank you for the videos Good to see them

[@rayl3329]

Keep the last sections coming- great!!