NEW GMA T.33 Reaction - But How Do T.50 Owners Feel About it? | TheCarGuys.tv

NEW GMA T.33 Reaction - But How Do T.50 Owners Feel About it? | TheCarGuys.tv
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A last-minute episode this week, following the announcement of the new Gordon Murray Automotive (GMA) T.33 - the baby brother of the mighty V12 T.50.
The T.33 is also a V12 naturally-aspirated supercar with a similar level of power, torque, weight and dimensions. Its engine is actually improved over the T.50, you can have it in manual or with a paddle-shift gearbox, and it’s just under half the price.
Since Damian is a former owner of a Gordon Murray car, the T.33 was a possible CarGuys.tv candidate, and so this episode covers the details of the new car, likes, dislikes, and the all-important question - will he buy one?
But also, given the similarity of the car to the T.50, which hasn’t even been delivered yet - has GMA shot itself in the foot and annoyed its best customers by launching this car so soon? Let’s find out.
This episode is a pure reaction to the launch and specs of the new car. Is it a never-ending stream of praise in order to secure a test drive? No. It’s an honest appraisal and a discussion about something which would almost certainly be silenced if this was an officially endorsed video. But, it’s worth talking about because several T.50 owners who we have spoken to have expressed the view discussed this week.
Trigger warning - there is also some light-hearted ribbing of press embargoes.
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[@WheelsPMiami]

The delivery of this video is exactly why I support this amazing channel! Yes I do watch other car channels but your channel connects with me in a different way! Car passion is why I keep coming back.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thank you so much - appreciated

[@andrewhurstcars]

Interesting take Damian that cars over £1m are ‘unpalatable socially’. If some T.50 customers are ‘livid’, they could easily sell their slot and buy a T.33, or just sell their T.50 once built. Perhaps the real reason some are annoyed, is that their T.50 now won’t turn into a McLaren F1 style £20m asset, with another 300+ GMA V12 around. The 100 units of this car are also part of a 300 car run, so the V12 will carry on in another 200 cars along with a hybrid unit. Sadly I think all GMA cars will be in this price range, as they said they won’t make more than 100 cars a year. Would have been great to see Gordon make a £150k-300k manual mid-engined V6 or V8 sports car.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Lots of interesting things here, Andrew, thanks

[@julianevans9548]

If you can buy a T.50, you buy a T.50. If you have £3 million or so to spend on a car, and want to make more money from buying and selling a car, you can sod off. If you're having a hissy fit because you're lucky enough to own what will surely be the best car in the world, but now there's going to be one that is a bit like it but not as good (lower RPM, heavier), my heart truly bleeds for you.

[@martingetliffe]

‘Last Colon Examination’………….😂 brilliant.

[@davidtucker5432]

Interesting to hear a potential owners view. Gordon did say that this was going to be the closest relative to T.50, implying that the 3rd model might be a little cheaper, but then he said theyd all have that V12, so sadly I dont think £850k is ever likely. Also I think that Gordon is too uncompromising on tooling and design to be able to produce something cheaper... it would be nice to see him take up the challenge though!

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Yes it would

[@salvissmudo4496]

Amasing car! GM said that T33s until now are offered only to those, who pre-ordered T50, thus T50 owners should not feel bad. Also 50 units are already pre-sold.

[@jazlally4144]

Now a week later all 100 are sold out - Amazing

[@idokwatcher2062]

1:40 respect for speaking the truth about their bias.

[@fishbert17]

I suspect that whether people buy a 50 or a 33, it will get driven about 60 miles a year and spend the rest of its existence in an air conditioned vault.

[@timfawcett9495]

Yes because some arsehole is likely to put is keys down the side of it.

[@jamesbrewer2398]

How refreshing, an honest opinion and candid take by someone not being paid to spout the same blah as everyone else. Sterling work, and hilarious too… As per, fantastic original content…. Bravo

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Much appreciated, James

[@iansmith7387]

Murray is a marketing genius 1st and car designer 2nd - Nice Episode 👍

[@theusefulchannel]

I liked the Unlucky Alf reference 😂

[@TheCarGuysTV]

:)

[@user-wf2wi5wc2k]

Our favourite presenters? Shmee? Kill me fucking now.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

I like Tim - and just look what he was achieved. Now go and finish watching before commenting again!

[@user-wf2wi5wc2k]

@@TheCarGuysTV All it takes to be a successful automotive KZbinr is a camcorder...hard work and family dynasty behind you. I'll stick to watching you guys! 👍😉

[@nameatrandom9234]

I agree. Shmee is a fucking Silver spoon fed, posh toff,old money,old boys club, Tool.

[@colinmoore2926]

I would think that one of the T33 variants will be a targa. Roof scoop is connected to the engine so that could stay. Mechanisms in the luggage pods. That'd be the one I'd have. Only £1.3m left to save up.

[@MirageFB]

Really, really fair points. Honestly they told the early T50 buyers that a less special v12 car was coming that would use "a detuned engine" it turns out the spec of the motor might be slightly improved since they didn't have to hit the hilarious rev range. You were saying customer T50's haven't turned wheels yet...customer T50's haven't even been built yet lol

[@slipfirep40]

They sacrificed 10% power for more low end grunt and improved throttle response, in a car that weighs 10% more, and doesn't feature the fan based active aero or legendary 3 person center seating arrangement. Both vehicles have an engine tuned for the intents and purposes, the T.33 is a bit better for blasting around town, and the t.50 is loads more fun when driven in anger, preferrably on a closed course.

[@XennialGuy]

I agree, this is almost a case of the Osborne Effect. They should not have been talking up this car and engine before deliveries of the T.50 have even begun. If anything, the engine should have been revision 0.9, and each subsequent car a step down. Instead of using words like "improved", he should have emphasized the engine was "pruned", or "massaged" for the GT experience.

[@cuthberter]

Possibly your best video guys. Well done. A different and well considered point of view from the other generic press videos.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thanks, 2 wheels

[@SuperLaviathon]

Cam corder yielding one take toffs!! 😂😂😂 I did like that

[@MyMostBeautifuCinema]

@Damien - The Super Car business has changed, there are more rich people now so they need to keep them coming. Plus Gordon Murray said in his interview with Carfection that they need to keep their people busy, there is a brand new business to run. On top of this, all T50 owners are buying a piece of appreciating art they can have fun in, not really being hosed I would say. I feel so lucky that GMA even exists, they are probably going to be the last boutique super car maker. Edit - Also to add they did in fact give all T50 owners first dibs on this car and already half are sold! And only 3 people have chosen the DCT.

[@brentpowell7889]

I am waiting for the T22 🤔, another million pound off , might be able to afford one of these , happy with a detuned V8 600 bhp same weight as the T33 , this would give McLaren many sleepless nights and offer an alternative to my 600LT , which is over 500kg heavier 👍

[@TheCarGuysTV]

😂😂👍👍

[@johnrb9397]

T11 the people's car 😂🤣

[@michaelmeredith912]

@@johnrb9397 😂😂

[@Atombender]

Or just buy a GT3 RS 😄

[@markstirling9149]

Looks like I'll be waiting for the T2......

[@simmey2011]

If you have the means, you should buy one, regardless of the GMA marketing strategy. It’s the last NA V12 supercar they will produce. I’d give anything to have the opportunity to spec one from the factory new. You’ll never get the chance again. Plus most the “upset” owners will quickly forget when they floor it and hit 12 grand revs for the 1st time.

[@andrewnorris5415]

Love the sense of humour that comes with this channel! Yes, they did look like they did not want to upset. All want a chance to drive it no doubt!

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Cheers, Andrew

[@slipfirep40]

Interesting thoughts. I will point out that the engine in the T.33 is not an "improved" version of the T.50 engine, but a "changed" variant. They traded off 10% of its peak power output to get better low-end torque and throttle response. Each engine is tuned carefully for the aims of each car. Once youve dispensed with the man and the brand, T.50 flaunted four big differentiators between it an almost anything else: Light weight N/A V12 manual Center driving position/3 seat Fan-based active aero The T.33 only gets two of those differentiators, which are far less compelling. I think that the T.33 release is proper and logical. They will likely be using the same team with similar components, so it makes sense for them to be manufactured back-back. They are a small operation and these sorts of concerns are critical. Since there are only 100 of each, and they are fundamentally different products, one car does not detract from the other.

[@smallboxesmedia]

Agreed, quite a few inaccuracies in this report. In addition there will be 300 T33 cars; 100 coupes plus 100 each of two other variants including a spyder/ targa clearly just by looking at the roof. While I can understand the proximity of this launch to T50 causing some concern, GMA has to get these cars out before the ice ban comes in. The price is high but if he can shift then fair play, he’s clearly aiming to create a high tech engineering business (a bit like Rimac) not sell units.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

There are no inaccuracies in this report - it’s all fresh from GMA, thank you

[@timfawcett9495]

@@TheCarGuysTV But you said there will be 100 T33s. This is an inaccuracy.

[@marklawrence9416]

An excellent assessment and review. Thanks for sharing. 😀😀😀

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thank you, Mark

[@mohammadpirzadah638]

Agree completely. In fact, I personally know someone who has ordered a T50 and he has echoed a similar sentiment. Even the service / maintenance will be challenging logistically. I would rather stick with ferrari. T33 and T50 are grossly overpriced as well. Unless you have won a lottery its not for people who have worked hard for what they have.

[@pirdah1336]

You are funny.

[@stuartmorris1689]

Rapidly disintigrating humans 😂😂😂

[@jameslloydcole8783]

Thanks for honesty. Indeed, these press interviews are absolutely painful, tedious and uninspiring.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

You’re welcome, James

[@thedrivebygg]

Awesome video, with some very honest views. Like you I was really surprised to see my KZbin inbox full of T.33 videos, I was like what’s this car, I thought it was only the T. 50 being built. I can tell you there isn’t a market for over 100 cars at over £1million pounds, it’s a small pond to fish in. I’m not in love with the looks to be honest, love the 12k rpm and the noise though. Honestly out of all your cars where does the spyder rank.?

[@christianbliss8944]

" I can tell you there isn’t a market for over 100 cars at over £1million pounds," Hogwash

[@daviddemarco183]

A minow I enjoy watching! Keep up the great work guys!!

[@jacquesraymond6892]

I think the rear end inspiration for that T.33 come's more from the ALFA ROMEO 8C.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Good point

[@carseyeadmire]

There's a lot of the 1967 Alfa Tipo 33

[@Atombender]

Personally I see the XJ220 in it.

[@carseyeadmire]

@@toomuchjam yeah, there are many cars, but the overall design has a lot of the Tipo when you look at them side by side.

[@pauln0371]

I think he got a lot of design influence from his De Tomaso Vallelunga which was seen parked in the Courtyard on the Premiere video.

[@doctornrsfnly]

Fair play and a balanced rant Damiano.... I have to agree with you on this one. That said The Gordon says that just over half are sold and he told Harry that they first offered the car to T50 owners... so I don't think they are TOOO upset... But yes, I do believe that the car is overpriced for what it is. Not sure its worth 2x of any of the mega Ferraris or the Superfast... Always a pleasure sir and bravo for an informative, entertaining and *slightly* less rant take on this!😊😊

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thank you for those kind words

[@MKKus]

Thanks to the video, I looked to car from different perspective. thank you!

[@TheCarGuysTV]

You’re most welcome

[@guinnessharvey4476]

Love this:)) ps I wonder what watch Mr Murray was wearing:)

[@TheCarGuysTV]

I’ll have to check

[@TheHateSpeechChannel]

It's too similar to justify £1m+ for the t50. I too would be livid if I were a t50 customer. Personally I wouldn't want to get stuck in a lift with Mr Murray, I find him incredibly boring. Loved your comments about "one take toffs", got it exactly RIGHT!

[@idokwatcher2062]

T50 will be 15 million. T33 will be 10 million. None of them should be throwing fits at anything.

[@mtnvalley9298]

Great comments and spot on imo. He says himself the T50 folks paid for most of the expensive development (electronics, engine, etc.) when talking to Harry Metcalf. Maybe Harry yanked his chain a bit too?

[@gearhead598]

The problem i see in new cars is that the plate number location is not put into consideration. You need to install plate front and back after buying the car which will degrade the cars looks once installed.

[@flyinghedgehog3833]

James M also didn't get an invite..however ...both your channel's are right up there IMHO. Keep it up..ooo err

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Many thanks, Mr Hedgehog

[@cobbyclan3466]

Finally subscribed due to your opening remarks, although I will make the same comment here that you objected to on an earlier video - these cars are being built for collectors and car museums as investments rather than for enthusiasts like yourself. I much prefer the T.33 over the T.50 but your comments about production before the T.50's are delivered should sting GMA. Keep up the excellent journalism.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thank you, Cobby

[@johnrb9397]

Next one ( a future model Gordon references) will be faster too with the paddle gearbox and hybridisation.

[@bobp7732]

Very good Damian, I own a GTS Dino so I see a bit of that in it also. But your attitude to 'limited production' car makers is spot on and they should not be trusted because they are lining something else up in the future generally at a higher price though. I agree the T.50 people would have a right to be pissed.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Some have contacted us directly

[@ilovetool1]

The B pillar actually reminds me a bit of the Alpine A110.

[@aidanbracken8706]

I thought it looked like a Porsche 916. The fact the door shut line does not line up with it looks bad IMO.

[@gobinduppal4429]

Which is, in isolation, a fine looking B pillar. And also works well on the Alpine, but with the T33 it just look wrong and disproportionate. I actually like the look of the T33 quite a bit more than the T50 and even with theB pillar would take it over the T50. But if only it had the B pillar from the T50, it would look like a much more cohesive design.

[@johnrb9397]

Great video Damien. Plenty of energy in this one. Like the angry middle aged man vibes. Better looking than the T50.

[@petedavis4097]

Great, honest, heart felt presentation, as usual, well done please keep up this excellent channel

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thanks, Pete

[@Shadowboost]

The engine isn't an upgraded version of that in the T.50... it's retuned for more low end power and less high end.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Press release

[@slipfirep40]

Yes, this. And with an extra hundred kilos to lug around, it probably needed to sacrifice peak power to get that torque down low to make it more fun to drive about.

[@radityaindera3442]

Well said. The only thing left is basically the stop watch on track. If T50 is just couple sec faster with those fans then i'll be livid. It has to be MUCH faster. Like more than 3 sec faster on a minute and a half track.

[@srinitaaigaura]

The T50S is the track car. And it'll be insane. One guy does simulations of supercars on his channel, and this thing will match a Plaid in the quarter mile and has the same power to weight as a LeMans prototype.

[@benclinch6056]

Very interested to hear your view. Completely agree with you, can’t believe they announce a car before the first is delivered. AM have done the same with the Valkyrie. Very also interested with your social view. Couldn’t agree more, even if I were to win the lottery I would struggle to buy a car more than £500,000 and for the majority of my friends and family not think I was a total knob. Lovely cars though and if they drive as good as they look there will be 200 very happy drivers out there. Mind you 80% of them will become garage queens anyway.

[@carseyeadmire]

I suspect the reason for GMA releasing the T.33 so soon after the T.50 so they can produce the 100 cars before the ban on ICE vehicles. As for the looks, I think it's a beautiful car and I see a bit of the 1967 AlfaTipo 33 (which has as similar name to the T.33) and Detomaso P72 at the rear, which is another stunning car to hopefully be released soon.

[@teabaggins3517]

Yes, also he's 75, so the clock is also ticking on him unfortunately.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Kronos This guy? If you can't be bothered to even learn my name, Kronos...

[@TheCarGuysTV]

@@Kronos0999 Because it’s on the screen at the start of every episode.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

@@Kronos0999 And you don’t even have the guts to show your real name when you comment online… goodbye to you

[@shaughnmcgurk9380]

Personally I really like the slightly retro 60s futurism of the styling - especially the echoes of Porsche 904 Carrera GTS. It plays a bit like a greatest hits album with a 904 front end, a Targa midriff and a backend from a Lotus. There are going to be 300 of them, so not quite as rare as a T50. Having seen the T50 in the flesh at Goodwood, you know the detail, even in the bits you can’t see will be beguiling and the noise from that V12 is as thrilling as a touch on the arm from Halle Berry. I don’t have a problem with the proximity of the two models. You can get Rolex watches at hugely different price points, but they both tell the time. And the timing doesn’t annoy me either. In fact what really grates my elbows is when companies like Ferrari introduce a base model and then wait a year or two before making an unecessary fuss over a convertible and a hot version. Why aren’t the model variants all released at the same time so buyers can just choose which one they want? It’s bogus and pretentious exclusivity, we all know they are going to arrive eventually. Porsche Targa owners don’t get huffy because there is also a Coupe, Concertible, GTS, GT3, GT3RS and other model variants, you pays your money and takes your choice. Personally, I think a Lotus Emira would deliver the similar lightweight thrills for a fraction of the cost. But if one is looking to breathe slightly more rarefied air, then, if finely tuned, retro inspired, driver focussed, British born, totally personalised aesthetic beauty is your thing - and it is mine - I would hand my lottery winnings over to Jensen Button for one of his Radford Type62-2. This film was a good addition to the T33 KZbin canon - it’s important to get a an experienced, less sycophantic perspective that comes at the subject from the point of view of a potential owner. And good luck in your quest for Ferrari omnipotence. It is a wonderful idea that I am sure will prove extremely popular. Please don’t exclude The Dino, they sit a close second behind the 904 in my dream garage.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Cheers, my friend

[@dylanh1978]

Enjoyable. I do love the car but, also where it stand in comparison to the T.50 and at half the price, it confuses me. But I'm sure most T.50 owners, will buy both anyway. But I'm not sure what the use case for T.50 is, when this will be better on road, and the T.50 S is the track car.

[@Vanilla.coke1234]

This car is the last naturally aspirated V12 GMA is going to make, its heavier and less powerful than the T.50, less of an event without the fan, centre seat, or F1 likeness, it hasn't gone all out with a totally carbon chassis, and its base architecture is going to be used for 300 cars (bringing down the price a lot). It also loses a lot of the pedigree of the T.50 through losing a lot of the record breaking stats of the T.50 (highest revving, fastest revving, under a tonne, etc). It's basically the T.50's little brother while all future models will be cousins

[@ripptorr]

You are right. This T33 may have well been a 500hp cossie V8 and sub million pound. The engine is so so close to the T50. And yes the most awkward thing is it launched before the first T50 is even produced...

[@slipfirep40]

Why is that awkward?

[@user-nl8bm5wc7p]

Do agree with you, Damian. I still think though that you should consider the T33 That you for the great content!

[@nicholasthomas8724]

Bang on with the comments. No issue with the cars but, my god. All my favourite KZbinrs doing the same interview just like the T50 did. Picked Catchpole to view. sorry Harry, Shmee etc. I was also surprised at the timing.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Everyone gets to pick their favourite presenter, and then you watch a couple more to compare their styles and content.

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

Love the simplicity of it all.

[@jimbrown4646]

Yes, yes and more yes. Great piece Damian. KZbin needs more Car guys and less yes men 👊

[@mm-vs1zt]

Cheeeeeeeeeeers

[@jamesgulland]

I hope you never get invited to these events, guys! Really appreciate the honesty over anything.

[@andrewstorm8240]

Well produced video and fair points raised, maybe way to go 1 weekly talking head video, 1 in car video

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thank you, Andrew

[@martinboulden3540]

I am sticking with my Lotus Emira then ! Oh that reminds me I haven’t got £1.5m for a GMA anyway !!

[@TheCarGuysTV]

😂😂😂

[@carseyeadmire]

I guess it's pointless me asking for a loan for one then.😉😆

[@gobinduppal4429]

I think now that most of the R&D has been done, they should now focus on a much much more affordable car that has a smaller derivation of this engine. Say a V6 based on theV12 with everything else being the same except maybe slightly changed chassis. Since the R&D has been done on this carbon fiber chassis, they should incorporate much of it on the affordable model. However, since CF is expensive and laborious process, maybe look into a chassis that is a mix of aluminum and CF (and they would only have to focus on the R&D for this new chassis). The rest of the car will be similar but maybe with less expensive pieces throughout and a total heavier weight of 1250kg. A manual, 1250kg, 300 HP V6 automobile with Gordon Murray's name on the package. And instead produce maybe 5,000 cars (so way way more but still very exclusive) with a price of ~$75k. And if the T50 makes a profit of$200k per car ($20million) and the T33 makes the same amount of profit ($20million) they can put the $40million dollars toward R&D of a new, affordable, aluminum chassis and crash testing. Plus with 5,000 deposits for the new car (at around $5k per deposit) the $25million collected from the deposits and a total amount of around $65million, GMA can easily develop a new chassis, test for new crash testing, create a new design for the car, plus look into using slightly less valuable and overly expensive parts in order to focus so stringently on weight. All of which will make the car much more affordable. Things like the engine, transmission, suspension components and brake components will have already been developed. So it wouldn't require much more funding to make this reality. On top of all of that it would make GMA a revenue of around $375 million plus it would put GMA on the map for many many more people around the world. And would make a Gordon Murray product a feasible and attainable reality.

[@AlanDoveKarting]

I think this project is more about what Murray likes than what make 'sense' from a commercial perspective.

[@iandavidson99]

Great video! The design reminds me of the Alpine A110 ... an Alpine A110 with a V12, so what's not to like! :-)

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Good point!

[@indiebekonn]

Oh but Alpine A110 is pretty!

[@richjohn9356]

The price, design etc etc

[@dimitrimaurer]

Nailed it!!!! One of your best reviews ever

[@justpassingthrough9973]

Finally, someone else sees something Ed Straker would drive! Bravo!

[@TheCarGuysTV]

👍👍👍

[@HenkFueltank]

I can't relate to people spending over 2 mil on a car but I can relate to buying an iPhone and to me this is the same as getting a iPhone or the iPhone Pro with extra camera lenses, slightly better performance etc. I'm not bothered by the regular iPhone when I bought an iPhone Pro, it gives my extra bragging rights, I guess that's the same if you show up with a T.50 at a GMA owners club meeting ;)

[@TheCarGuysTV]

It’s a good analogy

[@wfigueroa1]

I think Gordon Murray said that he was going to make a third car and that one might be a hybrid or all electric, but didn't mention when it might be coming. But maybe it might cost less then a million🤔.......maybe.

[@tonyosullivan2382]

Brilliant video, superb 👌🤙 Great points 👍

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Thank you

[@dynomike4142]

I'm sure the t33 is a great car but the B pillar reminds me of the C5 Corvette with a blacked out roof. I can't get over it

[@888mattd]

Jonny Smith made similar comparison

[@brianiswrong]

The only review on the T50 and T33 I watched was Harry Metcalfe. I guess the development cost to build the engine meant it had to go in both cars to make financial sense.

[@kylem324]

Also, why wouldn’t you want that engine in everything you could put it in? We should just be happy that More of these cars are going to be around in the decades to come.

[@minibus1351]

I really like the design. It's a design which won't age horribly with time. F1 looks somewhat modern today. I imagine this will too. And that V12 NA Cozzy! Most likely the last pure petrol powered car by Gordon Murray.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Agree with all that

[@HawkMillFarm]

Spotted all the others had made loooog car launch videos so watched yours first 👌

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Yay!

[@joelpethick3406]

More like it, a genuine review on it rather than alongside Gordon Murray unable to say a bad thing about it hehe

[@southbeach09]

I was expecting something more exciting and cutting edge from GM but instead his designs look like something Mclaren has already come up with and the whole ethos behind GMA seems like a cost grab for people who missed out on the F1. I mean the fact he said no model will exceed a 100 cars means he's probably planning to release 10 different variants each capped at a 100 cars.

[@casual9982]

The candy analogy is so damn true

[@uk9383]

Gordon just wanted to earn a bit more money. He took the same thing and repackaged it. Hes really smart bussinessman too. He took the engine that produces 12k rpm and stuck an ugly fan on it. And hen he took a ffew revs of the engine but also took the ugly fan off of it so it basically has the same value as the previous car. The first car everyone bought because of the 12k rpm so he could get away with making it ugly on purpose so he could sell the next car. Dude is smart

[@Atombender]

Overall there will be 300. 100 coupés, 100 spiders and 100 racers. To no one's surprise, the demand for the manual is already enormous while the paddle shifter has only been sold by a handful. I can't see many people paying well over a million quid for a modern, lightweight McLaren but what do I know. Edit: The rear end strongly reminds me of the XJ220.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Are you sure about those cars? I thought it was 100 coupes, 100 spiders and 100 track versions

[@Atombender]

@@TheCarGuysTV Maybe I misunderstood and you are right. I was watching Harry's meeting only, couldn't be bothered to watch all the others. IIRC 60 cars were preordered and only four of them or so were ordered with paddles. BTW I 100% share your sentiment about the car, way too expensive for what it is, and I bet that most of the manuals will go to T.50 owners anyway.

[@andrewhill9513]

I’ve not watched all the youtube previews of it, and I doubt you have either. Harry garage is a good one, Gordon says just over 50 have already been sold and most of those are T.50 buyers as well as avid carrera GT drivers, interestingly only 3 of those ~50 are the padleshift option, so hopefully most owners will use their T.33 lots rather than collectors

[@TheCarGuysTV]

You’re right I haven’t watched them

[@neilgaydon5430]

Gorgeous, brilliant...proud of Mr. Murray for his balls, vision and execution along with the 200 people who ordered them...congratulations! Britain leading way.

[@vokstar]

There is going to be 300 cars isn't there?

[@Beechgoose1]

He would've loved it; like an emperor, holding court... Power-to-weight: amazing. Looks: er...um...

[@Andrew-vx2ls]

T33 sounds as if it might be the cadet corps version of one of the vehicles the Ukrainians are recycling for their neighbour. It is a rather unlikely epithet for a sports car but perhaps Mr Murray is also planning SUVs in which case I quite understand ? The devil is in the anorak detail between the two models: the chassis is different and objectively, the dash is better on the T50 whereas the "threesome" seating is too much. Fret not, the engines are probably just a few squeaks of a mouse apart, BMW style. As for the price...I would prefer to talk to Dallara or Alpine over either of these cars. Just imagine the headache of driving a car with such a high pitched engine noise (most policemen will be looking out for big bike) and/or wiping off the sticky fingermarks...

[@AlmightySarlac]

I agree with you about the timing of the reveal, and the fact that the V12 is being used but according to Murray, prospective T50 clients were made aware of the 33 when signing up for their cars for this very reason, so they could choose one or the other, or both. You clearly didn't listen to any of the other walkthroughs of the 33 and the descriptions about how the engine differs. Just like Huxxy says, this is not an improvement on the 50 engine but a retuned variant using some different internals and a thousand revs knocked off the top, for improved tractability for 'daily driving', whatever that might mean for a vehicle of this value

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Correct, I didn’t watch any except the official vid. My info on the engine came from the official press release - I didn’t make it up. Neither was I influenced by pr hype.

[@hughes3947]

1000% agree. Those staged videos with Murray are soooo boring. talks cheap, let’s see it in production and then on the road before we starting handing out pats on the back.

[@Steeee.Veeee.O]

I get what your saying! Gordan did seem very smug when he spoke about yesterday but why release it so early when the it's big brother isn't even "born" yet? And yes too similar in many ways. He should have maybe followed McLaren how they did it. P1 first then mp4-12c which was a lot let powerful and then build upwards with the like of the 650s to

[@AlanDoveKarting]

mp4-12c came first not p1

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Some pretty awesome Amoeba's though! And yes I love the T33.

[@markplayford5836]

Has the be the best line of all time “ …in modern parlance F**ck All” take a bow sir, we applaud you 👏👏👏

[@gentnextdoor]

I personally am not sold on GMA, the designs are chrome cold and emotionless. Give me a Pagani or Keonigsegg any day.

[@sj257257]

From what I’ve seen it did sound like T50 customers had paid the development bill that the 33 will benefit from. I would not be too impressed if I had a T50 slot.

[@midasracer]

Beautiful car and had the same thought about the T50 buyers. But these people will be so rich, probably they buy the T33 as well.

[@nonamenameless5495]

On a side note, I bet both of the models will turn out to be the most environmentally friendly car line up of 202x coz almost their entire CO2 emissions are solely down to their production...they ll easily beat any EV, hydrogen, fuel cell car for a long time to come as those start out with a CO2 burden and are even likely to be driven whilst the Murray cars will spend 99.9% of their lives in a collection... . So if a V12 line up gets the crown for the most eco friendly cars ever produced or at least of 202x, I d find that quite amusing and worth the effort :). Just imagine the cover and title on "Tree huggers mobility magazine - Best of 202x edition".... Wholeheartedly agree in general and even more so when it comes to the T33 vs T50 comparison. If I had bought the T50, I d be fuming now. At least in my book, the T33 is not only the far better looking one but no, it apparently also comes with an extremely similar (epic) engine. But well, clearly am not in the market for any of these and the prices they go for rather make me smile. Am simply not a fan of cars being produced as collectible items but I assume that to those in that very market, it s appealing and they probably get both.

[@stephhamilton8100]

Yep, spot on. No one has even driven the T50 yet. Maybe its rubbish and GMA are wanting to get some deposits in before the truth gets out :-) The T50 looks lovely, the T33 nose is gopping

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Lots CB of people hate the nose, but I just don’t see it. It’s not like it’s a 90s Ford Scorpio

[@stephhamilton8100]

@@TheCarGuysTV it’s just a bit froggy or guppy. The mouths too wide. The T50’s is beautiful though 🤷🏻

[@gobinduppal4429]

@@stephhamilton8100 Well let's be realistic here. I don't think Gordon Murray has ever been involved with a production car that actually looks stunning. And I would even argue that in terms of design, his cars tend to be wrought with the worst possible design language that a supercar/hypercars can have; a generic and even boring look. He quotes that he doesn't like aero which really stands out, and likes a clean design but so do I, and he could've designed a car to be simple and elegant while also being utterly beautiful. It seems as though he focuses too much on engineering and as a result, creates a car that has its design elements which meet aerodynamic requirement, safetly requirements, while also acting as basicsllg a package/wrapper which all of his engineering prowess can be dumped into. It all just seems very.....generic. Now im strictly talking about design here, not the engineering excellence and the ambition to develop a car that has engagement and visceral feel has its ultimately goals (which has been done almost to perfection). Thus, it's really no surprise that his car is a typical "generic* mid engined car, and that this design (in particular the T.50, less so T33, which I actually like the look of much more) is more or less a carbon copy of the McLaren F1.

[@lonewarrior1543]

You guys are just too damn cool... like most of us...we’re not all teenagers...appreciate a real blokes view on cars...the young fellas know every detail of every car.... made after the 2010...keep it up guys...just get rid of the “beebs”... and your podcast will be perfect..in my opinion

[@stemcleeds]

This is your best monologue ever

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Very kind

[@kw9130]

Why Indeed!!!! I agree with everything that was said. Car buying has become a speculative investment and how high does the manufacturer have to price a car so as they don't get marked up and flipped? Is that one of the reasons why they are priced so high?

[@Vincent_Gambini]

Mid-engine, screaming V12, in an absolutely beautiful, clean design.

[@VS-qd5qw]

T.33 ticks a couple more boxes over the T.50 - slightly more practical. If I could afford one I would daily it. That Cosworth engine has to be awesome.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Indeed it is

[@covvy]

In the alternate reality where I had the cash, I'd buy the T33 and once it was delivered find a buyer for my already-purchased T50. Huge profit and end up with the arguably nicer car.

[@jimf5160]

I really like the clean looks of this car and it is a less extreme version of the T50

[@KUROSHURA]

I don’t like the design of either of them. I love the engineering. 6 speed manual and NA V12, I’m all for it. But the styling is…………………I don’t know what the hell the styling is.

[@Mowser63]

For my take on the T33/50….. firstly, I suspect none of us commenting can afford one, so let’s not over indulge in critiquing them too much 😉 These are unicorn vehicles with hyper-prestigious design and build provenance. Only the mega-rich, flippers and collectors will be buying them and we can only hope that they are driven and enjoyed. Cars of this type will be gone in the next few years and Mr. Murray will either be celebrated or chastised for his V12 Faberge eggs. One thing is clear - they’ve created attention and rightly so. I fully respect Gordon Murray as a creative genius, but there is a feint whiff of snake oil salesmanship here….. the next few months will be interesting ☺️

[@TheCarGuysTV]

You are a wise person - excellent comments 👍

[@rustyshaklferd1897]

I don’t think the owners of either are upset about any of it. The value of both will only increase and I’m assuming both are better to drive and own than the f1.

[@mornadu]

I appreciate your comments, but I disagree on some things. The t50 is lighter with the t33 using more aluminum etc. The t50 has alot of unique features in the automotive world that we've never seen, whereas the t33 is very standard 2 seat midship with a v12. As you know the cost to produce something using ONLY state of the art materials is astronomical.

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Great to hear from & thanks for your comments. As stated in the vid it is slightly lighter and yes the T.50 has the fan and 3 seats - but it is double the price. Both built with the same materials

[@walterplant2957]

That’s telling it like it is .

[@kolabrou]

Damian, Damian, you re such a funny man … :P

[@nrahim91]

Modern business investment is all based on what you have the potential to achieve rather than what you have achieved so far. Hence why Tesla is so valuable and why GMA is trying to showcase as much as possible as early as possible.

[@jonathangalloway6796]

Excellent Damo

[@TheCarGuysTV]

👍

[@GordonMurrayAutomotive]

Still bigger than our channel!

[@TheCarGuysTV]

Not for long 👍