NB Miata Goes Full Standalone ECU! ME442 / ME221 Install [Project 2SJ Ep7]

[@AramysFS7]

I feel I speak for all us NB owners when I say, ABOUT TIME WOOOO

[@BigBenlolz]

Getting to the outro is so bittersweet. On one hand: "man its already over" On the other "shit's my jam"

[@miata9916]

DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD DUD

[@vicmacarra]

This series is going to be GOLD

[@setharcher5869]

I've had a ME221 running in my MSM for 3.5 years but I still watched.

[@Rhidrio3]

I did have a chuckle at your cold start being 19c. That's a nice summers day!

[@Beansswtf]

Lol literally

[@shadowkeeper0]

Actually in both of my european NBs, one 1.6l and one 1.8l, their ECUs were on the passenger's footwell ;)

[@kentuckysleepyhollowband1611]

Hey Greg what's the pros and cons of running the ME ECU versus a megasquirt

[@mathiasmang848]

I'm running a 221 in my turbo for more than 2 years now. Looking forward to learn new things

[@yakhunt9424]

Finally, someone is going to cover the ME221 / 442, got one in my NA recently so looking forward to this

[@hoff247]

Thanks for the video. Ive had my me221 for a month now and was a little hesitant to install because I wasn't sure how well the base map would run. I think I will be installing in my 99 miata tomorrow.

[@benalborta]

Just got done with class, that's some pretty impeccable timing if i do say so myself

[@JamesChurchill3]

Hey Greg, how about throwing a Speeduino ECU into your next Miata?

[@spacecassette2108]

I dont think Miata Dad would want such a reliable ECU

[@shawnhett7648]

Don’t even own my miata anymore, still watch your channel

[@mtbiata]

Dad?! You’re finally back! Did you get the milk?

[@RicSupra]

The ecu location also differs for all european cars (think the japanese version also ) , they all have them on the passenger floor.

[@tameralobeidi3549]

Damn, the anticipation for a new video was killing me! Thank god you’re back

[@SuperDizzy13]

We've missed you dude, welcome back Greg!

[@MikevanEsch]

I've been using the ME442 in my turbo MX5 for about half a year now, idle tuning etc is actually pretty easy and it starts up almost as fast as stock. I'm always happy to send my tunes if you need some inspiration :)

[@MikevanEsch]

@Zio Peraza what kind of help do you need?

[@MikevanEsch]

@Zio Peraza If you are in Closed loop PWM idle, make sure the min and max duty of the valve are "effective" also the Exit idle duty should be close to the idle duty so it falls back properly. I have P=0.1, I=75 and D=0. Conditions are Min RPM=500, Max RPM=1500 Regarding the lean idle, check how much the car has to trim lambda when falling back in idle and change your VE table accordingly.

[@MikevanEsch]

@Zio Peraza snipboard._io/Snr5xz._jpg Remove the underscores

[@MikevanEsch]

@Zio Peraza coincidentally mine is turbo aswell so it would be a good approximation

[@MikevanEsch]

@Zio Peraza So basically Min and Max are the values that actually change the idle. if for example the rpm stays the same between 55 and 65, your effective PWM is 55 since more doesn't do anything. My min/ max is 18/35 but those values are different for everyone. What is your exit idle duty, best choice is to choose a value close to the actual idle PWM (so once it's idling at about 950 rpm, look at the idle pwm duty and round it off)

[@MitchelYardley]

I’m really wanting the ME ecu for my NC!

[@djdoc36]

ill be getting this for my NB...will be paying attention!! TY for the vid

[@alexjapanski6806]

2:12 LMAO Greg the Japanese Tsuchiya videos “WOW” sound effect... Brilliant touch mate !!!

[@taylorbynam1929]

DAaaaaaD! It’s good to see you again! 😀

[@joro8604]

some of the best content. Even the intro rocks. Well done.

[@testacorsa1]

Ahh, yes. Could not wish for a better topic. And it's my birthday too :)

[@sid-mk-one-mx5]

Awesome vid, watching with interest as I have a ME221 in a 1.6 supercharged NA and I want to learn more about tuning.. ✌🏻 Peace out man 👍🏻

[@ellemeno7496]

Would really like to see if you can recommend the ME! I don´t know if i should get the ME or the Megasquirt...

[@SuperNarion123]

Would you prefer megasquirt over this

[@chrishayes2809]

Hi Greg I’m hoping you will do more on the ME221 tuning like you did with the Megasquirt pls. My MX5 has been tuned and dynoed but as a noob to this ecu it would be good to learn how to tweak things myself here’s hoping

[@silverpairaducks]

I need to finish my speeduino stand alone...

[@theincredibletruestory1741]

i love mine, hurry up and get that thing finished

[@silverpairaducks]

@@theincredibletruestory1741 im building the board from Westfield...so gimme a minute

[@Nebbia_affaraccimiei]

miata dad is back

[@JonahAberle]

THANK YOU!! Do you have a promo code coming for those of us looking to buy an ME442 here soon?

[@Dawnhun1er]

Could you take us through your cold start tuning procedure? Even though I’m on a dyno tuned megasquirt 3 my cold start could use some improvements. I guess the process is quite similar between the ME441 and MS3?

[@millerfab1320]

Not gonna lie that was a really good merch plug

[@327efrain]

That thing sounds like a dirt bike at the beginning during your drift. Brap brap braaap

[@theimporttuner399]

Why not Megasquirt for the nb?? What made you switch over?

[@grahamcrane83]

Probably because ME gave him a free ECU or - more likely - paid him to run it.

[@MaxSpeedMike]

I absolutely love this series. Even more so now that I own an nb1 myself

[@pigownzu]

Great video creg

[@pedernordberg5573]

I’ve been hoping this build series would go DIY ITB’s. Motorcycle throttle bodies ! FTW!

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

That's not been ruled out yet 👍

[@braunblech8328]

Saw your question at SN9 stream and was like whaaaat... TRACKDASYBOO :D

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

Everyday Astronaut is the GOAT

[@ralphymathew2744]

NB Time baby!!! 🥰

[@dimitrigohaud6813]

I try this yesterday and I failed because I didn't knew that we could locked 10°. Now with your help I know how to check my advance timing to found where my horse power are gone on my ITB mx5 😁

[@christianzinn7636]

GLAD YOUR FINALLY BACK!!! Why this ECU? Is it better than a Magi Squirt Pro? Is it less expensive than a MSP? Is it easier to use and/or have more features than a MSP? Thanks for the Video!!! Best Always, Chris Zinn

[@noelchristie7669]

Buying an m442 will save you about 300-400 dollars in comparison to a Megasquirt 3

[@erictol]

Will be following this with great interest Greg! My very next mod

[@jonwal]

Yes! Another Miata Dad video!

[@joshhalterman5701]

9:35 Can you do a short tutorial on how to fix that belt squeal? XD. My NB2 sounds exactly like that from a colt start, and I have to let it warm up for 10+ minutes for it to go away. I've already replaced and tightened the belts...

[@dalewright7908]

Tighten your alternator belt

[@jonathanfoster8835]

I’ve been looking forward to this one!

[@yakhunt9424]

Top Tip - avoid resistor-less 'racing' plugs, the EMF plays havoc with the USB comms. Ask the man whose just replaced most of his ignition system today to find out ;-)

[@ps3modder92]

A clear guide on how to set up cold start properly in miete would be much appreciated!

[@yakhunt9424]

Very much this, I added a start injector priming pulse and upped the start injector cranking trim on the original basemap and it's much better, still needs some fine tuning. Be good to see someone who knows what they are doing though

[@ps3modder92]

@@yakhunt9424 I had no idea what I was doing for that part, shame motorsport electronics doesn't have a video about it at all

[@yakhunt9424]

@@ps3modder92 Agreed, wish there was more online specific to the ME ECUs, the basic principles apply though, cold fuel in a cold engine doesn't vapourise that well so you need to add more to get it to catch

[@jselectronics8215]

We made individual cylinder knock control for the Miata in 1992.

[@IrishGaucho]

I know it's an older video but.... no, you do not need a wideband to tune the car if you take it to a tunner. They will hook up the wideband from their dyno usually... a nice to have but certainly not a requirement if you go with the 221

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

@@IrishGaucho You absolutely need a wideband in any relatively modified car. A one-and-done 2-hour tune by some guy with a dyno will not cover all the tuning needs a car has, you want to be able to monitor the tune over time and also use AFR's for troubleshooting issues. Without a wideband you also won't be able to use ANY closed-loop fueling features on the ECU.

[@lagunamoto8032]

I really need a Miata in my life.

[@susuys]

FYI, in EU and JDM models, 1.8 NBs also have their ECU on passenger floor.

[@maze1640]

I saw your tip on EveryDay stronaut!!! didnt realize you were into space flight

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

Big time, when I'm not studying cars I'm studying space 😅 Every Astronaut is the GOAT!!

[@jonb4667]

Hi Greg, How about getting a 323f Lantis for your next project??? Keep up the good work...

[@NoNoNo12322]

Youre more of a miata professor/dr. Making it like Frankenstein in a montrous way

[@farmerbobbygrows3338]

Awesome modeling miata dad😂😂 love the merch gonna pick a hat up when I get paid

[@ReikoX7]

Greg it would be crazy if you add up a new stroker kit from Maruha they are going to sale a new Crank 87mm with beter pricing than their previous stroker kit. It should be around 1200$ the price and som more technical stuff will be out in April. :)

[@ringindustries]

Never bought a YTer's merch before but I'm getting that shirt no doubt

[@oscarmike9462]

Do you prefer this ecu over a megasquirt 3 pro? I’m buying one soon for a supercharged 94 Miata.

[@alexjohn5086]

Welcome back ,was worried you got Covid 19 . Will ME software run on Chrome book?

[@FREEVERGO8]

Any reasons why you’d run this ECU over a mega squirt ??

[@mm8436]

FINALLY!!!!

[@67scout73]

1. Does this bypass the immobilizer? 2. Can it be tuned to pass an OBD II emissions test?

[@anmolbehl1883]

Are your injectors cleaned and flow tested? the single 02 can't compensate for the variation in flow between the injectors.

[@SolarInvictus]

3:56 miata dad stressin me out

[@timmyjimmy9169]

Thanks for showing removal

[@Stranio34]

Please make a video on how to make the coldstart better. I bought a miata with me221. It almost didn't start with 5 degrees Celsius outside. I got it starting pretty good now thank to hp performance (thanks for that tip in a previous video) but at around 0 degrees Celsius it still doesn't want to start right away and if it starts it dies again. After that it just starts fine with no problem. If you can't still thanks for the good and fun content, keep it coming always enjoy it :D

[@yakhunt9424]

Look at your ASE (After Start Enrichment) 'Start.Inj.ASE.Trim' I also had an issue where I hadn't entered the dead times of the new injectors properly that made it struggle, worth checking if you've changed injectors

[@Stranio34]

@@yakhunt9424 Thanks I will look into that. I don't think the injectiors have been changed. I at least didn't change them.

[@hazzabojangs]

@@Stranio34 Also join ME Tips and Tricks on facebook, lots of remote tuners available for a small fee to really nail it for you!

[@wibuwe]

Love these types of videos! Please tell me this is going to be an naturally aspirated build 🐢

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

That is my plan, although I'm not completely decided on the exact direction of NA power yet 😊

[@louiedevera4534]

@@TheCarPassionChannel bro if I could subscribe to you twice I would !

[@Belgarion115]

I think, for the uninitiated (but interested, like myself), it would be nice to get a comprehensive understanding of the advantages the 442 offers over the 221. The 442 is provided with a wideband O2 sensor but that's about the only part that I understand.

[@mtechautomotive]

Also includes onboard logging and direct EGT input, as well as Drive By Wire Motor Driver :)

[@Muttpond595]

Miata dad I need you help. So I installed this ecu into my nb1 but it won’t run even on a base map. I got it to start once but it runs on 2 cylinders only. I’ve gone through everything you talk about in this vid but now the injectors aren’t firing at all car ran fine before the ecu I even went back to stock to see if maybe my injectors died but no it’s all back to normal now. I would really appreciate some help this is a headache. Thanks for all the awesome content❤

[@jessehanson3828]

Thanks for another great video!

[@lloydjohn3564]

More me442 stuff

[@ChutneyInc.]

Does the o2 sensor plug into the oem harness?

[@tadascerniauskas6919]

After base map, is it not possible to use autotune option to make the map better while driving? Or without proper dyno tune you cant get it to run as it should?

[@MikeAyles1]

I see they haven't fixed display scaling in MEITE for 4k high dpi displays. I usually set my laptop to 1080p at 100% scaling before running it so I can actually see what's going on.

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

Check out the info in the description and let me know if that's what you're talking about

[@MikeAyles1]

@@TheCarPassionChannel maybe they have then, cheers Greg! 👍

[@rbe3908]

Do you know if a stand alone ECU bypasses the immobilizer on the NB2's?

[@Bobbie_1999]

Yes it does!

[@jp2246]

That T-shirt is great 👍

[@fifielcoolio]

so are you prefering to tune with ms or me?

[@DarkDMD]

Why ME442 instead of m3pro?

[@BigIsleJ]

Nice job Sir!

[@evansisgreat]

I like how the silhouette of the old ECU kind of looks like a dinosaur in the thumbnail. Not sure if it was intentional but if it was it's a good little Easter egg if it was.

[@hoffmods]

My NB1 ‘00 has the ecu in the passenger footwell 😊

[@ericsson_motorsports]

I'm assuming that you live outside the US then? Since the EUDM and the JDM NBs had the ECU in the footwell. Don't know why it's in above the pedals in the USDM model, seems weird to have different locations since it's basically the same car

[@zacharybogle2473]

If you're running a squaretop manifold, where exactly would the MAP sensor hose plug into? Looking at it it doesn't appear to have the same capped off port as the VICS manifold.

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

Yes it has the same port

[@zacharybogle2473]

@@TheCarPassionChannel What were the horsepower gains over the stock manifold too?

[@TheAdatto]

i Got a voltage peak in my me221 and now my 1.8vvt is technically totall loss. Everything is burned up

[@joseramirez-hh2sw]

Love the merch take my money.

[@MrJasons9]

With the map sensor installed can you get rid of the old flappy door Maf sensor on the NA6 cars? (Like you can with the megasquirt)

[@Thebadbeaver9]

Yes you can

[@aristotleallen5577]

Did you add an IAT or are you still using the stock MAF?

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

MAF is now deleted, and used the stock IAT, but I'm having some inconsistent fueling issues which I think might be related to it. I will be swapping out to the GM IAT soon

[@joelchavez9661]

Hey Greg nice clutch squeak

[@ads1035]

Question! Will the ME221/442 control the EVAP solenoid?

[@ads1035]

After emailing Motorsport Electronics, I learned that it does. I'mma get me one of these!

[@Regape96]

What did you mean about the difference in wideband between the two ecu's?

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

The ME442 gets a wideband o2 sensor plugged directly into it. The ME221 is more traditional style where you need a wideband sensor and controller (Innovate MTXL, AEM Uego) then it sends a signal to the ECU.

[@Regape96]

@@TheCarPassionChannel Ah thanks for the explanation I thought that might have been it. Those aftermarket wideband sensors are so expensive

[@koriyuhboi436]

I have a question. Fab9 tuning made there edition about the Me221. What do you think about it? So if I get a ME442 or ME221 with a 1991 1.8 swapped miata using the 1.6 harness and ecu to run the motor. Then what map should I use?

[@slandon1977]

Dude, that is an awesome shirt.

[@lukeagajanian5815]

Does your NB have an LSD? I have a base 2003 and I don't think I'd be able to do donuts like that... :(

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

I haven't confirmed 100%, but just the way it does burnouts and donuts makes me think it does have a Torsen.

[@88Frank]

Greg, does the ecu come with a wideband sensor or do you have to buy it separately?

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

The 442 includes the wideband sensor

[@youraveragefishkeeper]

Way better then donut media. Just sayin.

[@Stranio34]

Agreed, but I would still love to see them do a video together.

[@tylerreed7385]

I like both of them, for different reasons, donut cuz they do the stuff I wouldn't do/maybe do cuz they interest me and car passion, because his on a budget and learning making mistakes as I am

[@repbegger766]

What do you have to do to run a maf delete on the me440?

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

Remove it, no tune changes necessary. It doesn't use MAF readings

[@dominicshort7377]

Did you have any issues with the fuel pump not running? Have an nb1 with the 442 and I can not get the fuel pump to run, so just cranks and cranks no start

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

There's wording in the instructions on how to set the ECU up depending on the model of your car, there are switches that can be flipped inside the ECU. I would look into that

[@dominicshort7377]

@@TheCarPassionChannel seems like it may be the immobilizer , I jumped the fp on the diag box and the car started right up

[@dominicshort7377]

Now realized about the board switch settings😂

[@Henry_the_viii_club]

Does the map line go to the same location on the intake if you have a turbo set up? My Car has been out of action for over a year due to me taking it apart lol and I forgot if you run the map line from ecu to one of the ports on the electronic boost controller or to the intake barb?

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

The map line needs to come from a vacuum source regardless of if the car is turbo, supercharged, or n/a. That is, any spot after the throttle body. The EBC line should be connected to the intercooler piping, after the compressor but before the throttle body (EBC/Wastegate should never see vacuum)

[@Henry_the_viii_club]

@@TheCarPassionChannel Thanks Greg appreciate the speedy reply. I have Been in the process of changing my forged engine into a new chassis after a little accident in the wet. With limited time due to work and not being a actual mechanic it's taken a while lol. 1 more weekend and I think she should be ready to terrorise the streets of London once more 😏 ( London England that is).

[@shirtz69r]

Do you take out the ST whatever fuse with this ecu?

[@TheCarPassionChannel]

I believe that only applies to 1.6L Miatas, or possibly NA6/NA8 only. And that's with MS, I'm not sure if MS is the same way

[@furikuri005]

it's been so long!