Day 300: Science, Bodily Integrity, and the Dead - The Catechism in a Year (with Fr. Mike Schmitz)

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The Catechism looks at matters relating to scientific research, bodily integrity, and the dead with the lens of the dignity of the human person. Fr. Mike helps us navigate the Catechism’s teachings by acknowledging science and technology as a good while emphasizing restrictions and conditions to ensure respect for the dignity of persons. Today’s readings are Catechism paragraphs 2292-2301.
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[@puggrad96]

I LOVE your work on The Bible in a Year and the Catechism in a Year. As a priest, I recommend them all the time even as I listen to them myself. Pastorally, I wish you had addressed the issue of scattering ashes or other abuses of funeral Rites of the Church. If you ever remake this episode or were tempted to put an addendum on an episode, this would be the one. It is my most common pastoral problem. Any help you can give, as yours is such an authoritative voice, would be appreciated. (I know you did an Ascension Presents video on this topic where you hit it out of the park. Just an addendum mentioning that link would be appreciated.) God bless and thank you for your incredible work. You are a blessing to the Church. Your Bibible in a Year helped prepare my mom for a Holy Death. For that, I am eternally grateful.

[@joannebywaters4154]

Please pray for the repose of the soul of my beloved priest, Fr Sal, passed away yesterday, 60years old😢❤🙏 Thank you all for continuing this journey, im so thankful for Fr Mike, Ascension presents & each one of you, God bless & grace you all abundantly!!🙏🙏🙏

[@dianefrank3688]

Sorry for the loss of the beloved priest Fr. Sal. I am sure that your whole parish will be missing him for a long time. I know how hard it is to even get a priest to cover a parish these days. I have a retired priest running my mission parish and another parish 40 miles apart. I do not know what we will do when he is forced by health to really retire Praying for your priest in eternity and for your earthly parish.🙏🙏🙏

[@meihui7767]

Prayers

[@KB_2161]

❤❤❤

[@JoannLenz]

I will put him on my prayer list that I pray to God each night and I will be praying for you and your church family . Many Blessings❤🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@stevehutch]

God bless Father Mike and everyone listening to the Catechism in one year.

[@joeyunger6460]

God bless Fr. Mike!

[@artorefalnera3055]

Fr. Thank you ❤. Praying for you, for the Ascension team, for all my CIY brothers and sisters. God bless. ❤🙏

[@marygabadi74]

We thank God for attaining Day 300. Thank you Father Mike & Ascension Press. Congratulations to fellow CIY members. God bless us all.

[@MrDarshD]

An important analysis of how to respect the body. It also shows answers to some important questions like organ donations, cremation, human testing, and crimes that involve harm. The overall theme is to be safe and to keep others safe. Also, to not consent to anything that goes against God and also not do anything without anyone's consent. Thank you so much for your work and analysis, Fr. Mike and Team Ascension. I'm praying for you and for fellow listeners

[@bonnieznicolosi]

May God Bless Fr. Mike and Everyone reading along😇🙏🏻💖

[@lanmine18]

Thank you Fr. Mike! A small group in the parish I am part of has been following this ministry since the start of the year, and it has already started to bear the fruits of the Spirit as it led those involved to increase their efforts to be led by the Holy Spirit to grow the parish community and work on our flaws. Personally, it has been amazing since I really wanted to go through the Roman Catechism, but I could never have done it as well without this ministry you are doing. We as a group will be going back through your Bible in a Year next year in our parish, and after that plan to go into the encyclicals. Going from no permanent adult study group to having one with a road map extending out two years, along with inspiring an entire set of people to assist with catechesis of middle school confirmation going forwards has been a needed service for our parish. Thank you for your continued service and impact which you will never fully see!

[@meihui7767]

Wow, what state is your parish in?

[@dianefrank3688]

WOW! Keep up the good work in your parish. You are a prayer warrior. ❤🙏

[@lanmine18]

@@meihui7767 North Carolina, Diocese of Charlotte.

[@meihui7767]

@@lanmine18Thank you!

[@marianmilne6009]

Thank you Fr Mike. Praying for you and everyone here. God bless 🙏🏻 ❤️ 🙏🏻

[@dawnmireles2912]

October 27, 2023 Will you please take a moment and pray with me? According to tradition, St. Gertrude the Great was told by Our Lord that each time she piously recited the following prayer, it would release 1,000 souls (or a vast number) from their suffering in purgatory: Eternal Father, I offer You the most precious blood of thy Divine Son, Jesus, in union with the Masses said throughout the world today, for all the Holy Souls in Purgatory, for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the universal Church, for those in my own home, and in my family. Amen.

[@KolokaiKalai]

Day 300..Fr.Mike..thankyou for your dedication and time in your priestly services.. Praying 🙏 for you 🙏 ❤ and all in the Ascension team..all with you 🙏 in the team 🙏

[@elainegibson265]

We couldn’t have done this without You. Thank You Father Mike. God Bless You Always!!!!!

[@brianmelville520]

Yes, still going strong. Thank you Lord. Thank you for Father Mike and this CIY.

[@elizabethcronin3074]

Hello everyone & Happy Day 300!🙏😊

[@dianefrank3688]

🙋Elizabeth & All 😊Day 300 ❤🙏

[@JgOzzo-kh1sp]

🥳🎉

[@KB_2161]

❤Lord, Hold my family in Your Strong Hands I trust You with their hearts, their thoughts, their futures and their very lives. Guard them and lead them through Christ our Lord. Amen. ❤❤❤

[@dianefrank3688]

@@KB_2161 Amen! Thank you for posting this special prayer for the family.❤🙏

[@TrixRN]

@@KB_2161Amen!🙏❤️

[@carolhannah4635]

Thank you Fr Mike. In day 300 you have answered a lot of my questions. God bless everyone. 🙏

[@Love_Divine]

300 days of nourishing the soul. God bless Fr Mike, Ascension and the CIY community. I’m praying for everyone and for peace in the world. Amen. ❤❤❤

[@marybailey6254]

Blessings to all who are participating in the CIY & BIY today🙏🏻🕊✝️🕊🙏🏻

[@mschmidt616]

Thanks!

[@TheCatechismInAYear]

Thank you for supporting Ascension! May God bless you 💛

[@totus_tuus3]

congrats everyone for reaching day 300! I'll continue to pray for all of us in this community ❤️ thank you so much Fr. mike and the ascension team!

[@marinebulldog0309]

Congrats 🎉👏 Day 300 "This is Catholicism!!!" ✝️

[@GabrielReyes-ne9us]

Buenos días! I give thanks to the Lord for this incredible filled grace time to learn and love the Lord for the gift of our holy Mama holy Catholic Church.

[@LDP-33]

Thank you Fr. Mike for your prays. I pray for you n all those who are reading n listening to Gods word. Praise you Lord!

[@lindafaulk9376]

Thank you

[@CarmenRodriguez-vx1km]

Wow! Day 300!!! Thank You God, Thank you Jesus, Thank You Holy Spirit, Thank you Fr. Mike Schmitz 🛐

[@2000Biscotto]

Thank you Fr. Mike! Blessings everyone! 🙏

[@susannebrule3160]

Thank you Father Mike. 🙂🙏🙏🙏

[@marianmilne6009]

Tgankbyou Fr Mike. Praying for you and everyone here. God bless 🙏❤️🙏

[@francisrodrigues4615]

Thanks and God Bless You Dear Fr. Mike and the CIAY team for powering me to Day 300. It's been enlightening, convicting but consoling and convincing, revealing the Richness of my Catholic Faith.

[@R.C.425]

Thank you, Father Mike

[@joanhaselman444]

Day 300! And I have soaked in all 300 days,I am humbly grateful.

[@KB_2161]

❤❤❤May God bless you with strength in your daily tasks, wisdom in your decisions, favor in your labors and provisions in your daily needs through Christ Our Lord. Amen. 🙏❤🙏

[@nancyroland6503]

Thank You Fr. Mike and all your crew!

[@moniquearseneault1460]

Praying for you all, God bless ..❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@andiebrodie3936]

Father Chris Alar does a brilliant explaining the faith on Crusades and Inquisition 😊

[@stevehutch]

God bless Father Mike and everyone on the Catechism in one year journey.

[@jwhite62]

I am so thrilled that I have made it to Day 300 with you Father Mike and all who have be listening to you. I am also on Day 300 of the BiY for the 2nd time. Thank you Father Mike.

[@paulacevedo8814]

Praise to you God and Jesus Christ🙏❤🕊😇

[@StAlphonsusHasAPosse]

Amen 🙏

[@MomHarper]

Thank you Fr Mike for day 300. I had a few days I needed to catch up, by the grace of God I’m still here. Thank you all for your continued prayers. I’m continuing to pray for everyone.

[@dianefrank3688]

❤🙏

[@meanchoolee5845]

Thank Father Mike

[@lindaokeefe4526]

Thank you Fr Mike! I’m getting such a better understanding of WHY the Church teaches what She teaches. Happy Day 300! It’s good to be able to catch up on the days I’ve missed! Pray for me, I’m praying for you!

[@NAMASIVAYAMANANDASAKARAN]

Greeting! CIY community. The advancement of science and technology should have unconditional respect for fundamental moral criteria of the human person and his alienable rights. Our body and soul are intended for resurrection and provided there is no denial of faith and resurrection cremation is allowed by the Church. We have the Holy Spirit within us through faith and baptism but sometimes we are broken. Vasectomy in men and hysterectomy in women would be against the moral law of the Church. Let us pray for all in the CIY community.

[@gemmacrichton2195]

God bless you Fr Mike I have learned so many things from this section.Its amazing the way science works.I am praying for You Fr Mike 🙏❤️

[@SuperRuthJ]

Thank you Father Mike❤ Heavenly Father, Living God, you freed the people of Israel from cruel slavery in Egypt and led them to a promised land “flowing with milk and honey.” We ask you to liberate today all the children, women, and men who are enslaved by the cruel yoke of human trafficking in our nation, and around the world. In Jesus name I pray. Amen.🙏❤️❤❤️🙏🙏🙏

[@StAlphonsusHasAPosse]

Amen 🙏

[@dianefrank3688]

Amen!❤🙏

[@tjf42193]

All of you people watching this please pray for a friend of mine her words exactly “I don't know if non-believer is the right word, I'm not affiliated with any particular religion, I'm probably agnostic right now, I do find value in the psychospiritual, maybe to say I'm questioning is more accurate.”

[@chavelasalas9151]

Praise you Lord Our God❤❤❤❤prayers Father Mike Amen Amen 🙏

[@golgibella]

Jesus have mercy on me and single people and Your underground Church 😭❤

[@angelagalluzzo883]

Praying for you Father Mike and to all CIY members ✝️🙏💕

[@Happylife10101]

Hi father Mike this so amazing tomorrow night eve of holy souls to be speaking of the souls of our brother's and sisters may they and our Rest in peace 🙏😇

[@patriciamclaughlin5351]

Bless you fr Mike. Greetings from Scotland ❤️‍🔥

[@dianefrank3688]

All the way from Scotland, wow. I live in Central Florida, United States and someday would love to visit your country. 🙋‍♀❤🙏

[@17CW68fNv]

Thank you for your ministry, Fr Mike. Praying for you, and all on CIY and BIY. God Bless.Claire.

[@angelicazelich7743]

Thank you Father for your teachings! May the Lord and the Holy Spirit strengthened our knowledge of our Catholic Faith! God bless!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@R_Thomp]

Thank you Father

[@sandrastange8314]

Yes 300 days feeling sad that the end is near.

[@Korporaal1]

Here❗We❗Are❗ Day 300 of the Catechism brought to us by Fr Schmitz. Thank you father for doing this for us. And thank you for praying for us to complete this. I'm praying for you and all the people at Ascension.

[@143mschrag]

WOOHOO‼️ Day 300 😊 #GratefultoGOD #grateful4everything To GOD be All the Highest Glory❣️ Thank you so much Fr. Mike and Ascension. As always, I am praying for all of you. God Bless 🙏🏻

[@dianefrank3688]

Thank you for sharing this beautiful prayer with the CIY group. 💛🙏

[@thomasbarnes3397]

Thank you, Father Mike. You answered a lot of my questions.

[@ElviaAlamilla-cr2ge]

Thank u Father Mike God bless everyone

[@ElviaAlamilla-cr2ge]

Very interesting God bless Father Mike

[@charmiemael460]

Tnx Fr.Mike & Ascension Present Staff and Personnel👍🤗🙏➕🛐📖🔥🕊🔥

[@deedeebuhler9610]

May God bless you always 🙏

[@maryellenrose1764]

Awesome today. Thank you.

[@jamesmcgrath3841]

With regards the Crusades and the Inquisition? What we need to know is that we are looking at history through the eyes of English history, and Protestantism. That is the whole world view. When England went Protestant, it had to vilify the Catholic Church, to justify itself. It turned the Catholic Church into a "subversive enemy" in it's own view of itself, whereas until then, England was Catholic. In breaking with the Church, and granting Church property and lands to the gentry class, that class had a vested interest in ensuring a Protestant view prevailed. Coinciding with this was the enmity between England and Catholic France and Spain. Thereby Catholicism was made something "foreign." Thus the "Spanish Inquisition" became a byword for what was evil, though it was instrumental in keeping Spain Christian. We are still influenced by this whole way of thinking. For an English Protestant to become Catholic, as many do? They often feel they are "disloyal" to the crown in the process, but in fact they are rediscovering what is their own heritage.

[@meihui7767]

Interesting thought

[@lydiaborella5951]

What a beautiful prayer 🙏🏼. Thank you precious Fr Mike and God bless you 🙏🏼🌸✝️❤️🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@mschmidt616]

So very glad for this CIY & you, Fr Mike! I can see clearly now what was never brought to light in any other way in my "from the cradle" Catholic life. Thank you so much💕🙏

[@noradsouza3673]

Day 300, praise the Lord, for giving us Fr. Mike. 🙏🏻🌺

[@chavelasalas9151]

Thank you God .prayers Father Mike Amen 🙏

[@donnawilkey6857]

We have a Divine institution managed by humans.

[@dawnmireles2912]

October 27, 2023 Have you ever considered listening to Saint Faustina’s Diary in a year and/or EWTN Mother Angelica’s Classics to add to your Catholic learning? Oh my goodness so much life guidance in conjunction with Father Mike’s Bible and Catechism in a Year!

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

Happy Friday, everyone! For those not aware, in every description of every video there is a quick summary such as this one: "The Catechism looks at matters relating to scientific research, bodily integrity, and the dead with the lens of the dignity of the human person. Fr. Mike helps us navigate the Catechism’s teachings by acknowledging science and technology as a good while emphasizing restrictions and conditions to ensure respect for the dignity of persons. Today’s readings are Catechism paragraphs 2292-2301." If you look right under the video where it says the number of views and when it was uploaded, there's a "...more". If you click that, you'll see it! Hope this is helpful for note takers or helpful for reading before watching/listening! Thank you, Fr. Mike Schmitz, the Catechism in a Year production team, Ascension Presents, and everyone here for your spiritual and financial support! =) Prayed for all of you in my Rosary this morning. Hope you have a light-filled joyful Happy Day 300 celebration! "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.” -Mother Teresa God bless you! =)

[@dianefrank3688]

Thanks for the tip, I am going to check that out from now on. ❤🙏

[@JohnHenrysaysHi]

@@dianefrank3688 Hope you and yours have a blessed Friday, Diane!

[@dianefrank3688]

@@JohnHenrysaysHi Thank you 💛🙏

[@alexandermaciag377]

Thank you. This is good.

[@robehrgonzales77494]

DaY 300,24-April-2024 HaPpy Wednesday A❤m❤e❤n❤ 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@munchlax9715]

Amen

[@wreloise1]

“Be devoted to one another with [authentic] brotherly affection [as members of one family], give preference to one another in honor;” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭12‬:‭10‬ ‭

[@glenapereira3492]

What is best for the human body when doing scientific research, is good. However science or scientism cannot give answers to all problems; it cannot answer the question "why". We are bound to care for those who are sick & dying and for those who have died. It is a corporal work of mercy to bury the dead.😢 🙏

[@josecesarvivares5005]

🙏🙏🙏

[@nathanngumi8467]

Word.

[@KB_2161]

May the Lord bless you with comfort and joy, a peace that you will experience and immediately want to share with others through Christ our Lord. Amen. ❤

[@margaretmcgarvey3246]

Thankyou Fr Mike and everyone.

[@valentinabiebie]

Amen 3-11-2024

[@TedSeeber]

Before you criticize the Inquisition, find me a secular court with a 90% acquittal rate

[@almapuritaparcon3435]

Day 300. 🙏🙏🙏

[@Overlord277]

A long day but an easy one.

[@carolradlinger8661]

I was surprised that the Catechism didn’t mention that when cremated the ashes should be buried not scattered ? ❤

[@ipatecek]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@DarlaTurner-vt4pn]

Agree.

[@naomiwelch6715]

Quite powerful.

[@joseguzman1051]

Amen 🙏.

[@margemohr6771]

Fr. Schmidt, next year will you do CIY, but CREDO IN A YEAR, I’d love that too.God Bless You

[@b8akaratn]

...it's wrong that i thought "Mel Brooks!" instead of "good books" 📚 wrt. resources on the Inquisition,... 🤔 ... Happy Day 300!!! 😁💙❣️

[@kattydeleo9035]

🙏🙏🙏🤗❤️

[@lynettemorrison6867]

Thank you. Question the practice of spreading ashes all over everywhere these days. Thought CCC would address that

[@dianefrank3688]

I was told by my priest that one needed to bury the ashes in sacred ground which would be a cemetery. All cemeteries require that the ashes be put into a crematorium. These Crematorium cost $2000.00 and I do not see why the ashes cannot be buried in the urn that they are in at the funeral mass. It is not like the ashes are going to decompose like a whole body.

[@DarlaTurner-vt4pn]

Our Catholic country cemetery allows to bury ashes.

[@dianefrank3688]

@@DarlaTurner-vt4pn The small town in Iowa and almost all city cemeteries require crematorium which cost $2000.00. They will not let you bury just the urn that was in the church with the ashes for the funeral mass. It is a rip- off as the ashes unlike the whole body do not decompose and leak into the ground. That is what the crematorium is for and therefore totally unnecessary for ashes. The cemeteries & the funeral place just found another way to get more money as they didn't quite make enough on cremation without the fancy casket. I hate people being taken advantaged of in their time of grief. Always check to see if it is required at your cemetery as the funeral director might be saying it is required when it is not. THANK YOU❤ for posting this and I am going to double check with the church who owns the cemetery to be sure that the crematorium is required for ashes in the case of my son & me. 🙏💜🙏

[@hlobend2111]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@adelaidawallaert287]

🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️

[@peggybruening4415]

❤

[@cocasio7190]

🙏

[@maryannware7870]

Fr Mike you are READING THE CATECHISM TO US AND THERE IS NO TEST IN THE END! Nuns would have thrown a major test at the end 😂❤

[@dianefrank3688]

I am so glad there is not a test. I am able to just listen and read to learn without the fear of being graded. I do plan to go through the CIY again next year.💛🙏

[@TheBlackopsDS]

When is Catechism Answers Live? This brought up a very niche question in my head about the morality (or lack thereof) of creating cyborgs like Robocop. Seems silly at first, but this is a real possibility in the future

[@albenishernandez2607]

Hoepfully this could be a question to be addressed in the other youtube videos that Dr. Scott Sollom prepares: In the past days we discussed killing to defend life or maybe the society (i.e. Fr Mike Batman’s joker analogy). How is this different of torture to get information that could save countless lives (i.e Fr. Mike example TV series 24) Thank you

[@lindabergmann2320]

Lot to take in today. You touched on hysterectomy and vasectomy, but the current issue in our face now is gender reassignment. Mutilation of children. So sad that children are being led down that path when they don't realize consequences.

[@DarlaTurner-vt4pn]

So sad. We all need to pray about this.🙏

[@isabelcastillo2394]

Fr. Mike, question regarding cremation. In the movie, "The Way", the father had his son cremated and spread his ashes along the Camino. Does the church recognize spreading ashes or if a person is cremated, are you required to bury the ashes in one location? Thanks!

[@marsharr2877]

I am wondering how the body will be resurrected (only God knows, true) if it has been cremated and or partially wounded and or organs placed into other bodies? It’s just something I ponder.

[@flucheaux]

I wonder the same. My brother was cremated at his request, and I am concerned whether we did the right thing. However, I would think that Christians who died unintentionally by incineration, like 911 and Maui victims, would still be able to be resurrected. 1 Corinthians 15:44 says we are given spiritual bodies. And, Adam was created from dust, so there is no limit to what God can do. I still would prefer to be buried, so that my family doesn’t have to wonder and worry about my afterlife.

[@dianefrank3688]

@@flucheaux The bodies that are buried whole do not remain that way after many years. You can talk to a funeral director and he will explain how the whole body decomposes. If God can resurrect a decomposed body He can certainly resurrect ashes. 💜🙏

[@kathywiens9852]

@@dianefrank3688 yes! What about those who've been buried or lost at sea? Those who've sadly been turned to dust on 9/11, and such instances of explosions from various means? I'd say God's got it covered. I do believe that if one is deliberately cremated there needs to be respect with the ashes. No keeping them on a mantel, making them into garden stones, scattering them, etc. Need to be respectfully, and honorably buried in a designated cemetery where the grounds will be kept as such.

[@dianefrank3688]

@@kathywiens9852 I had always heard that they need to be buried on sacred ground (cemetery that has been designated for burial). The ashes have to be present in an urn at the mass if you want a Catholic funeral mass. If the ashes are not present you will not get a Catholic funeral mass, you will just get a memorial . I have already paid for my cremation in FL then my ashes will be mailed up to IA were I have paid for the funeral and made arrangements for a Catholic mass. My ashes will be placed in a crematorium(required by law in a cemetery) and buried on top of my mother at her grave sight. Each grave plot is allowed one whole body & one cremated body. My son is doing the same thing except that he will be buried on top of his grandfather, who was his hero.💜🙏 I live next door to a Christian church and know the minister quite well. I ask him the same question you asked me and this was his answer. I would not worry about it--He is God and He can do anything and everything. ❤🙏

[@marsharr2877]

@@dianefrank3688 interesting ! Thank you for that tidbit. 🧐🧡🙏🏻

[@margueritelangton6362]

The "data" extracted under any kind of torture is worthless. Everyone has a breaking point, and the victim will say whatever the torturer wants to hear. Which may be anything other the true situation.

[@maovilladel7344]

In addition to the inquisition and the crusades (this is probably going to be a hot take) but I think another example of why this specific part of the catechism needs to be said is because of the history of the Irish republican army. For those who don’t know about it in short, they’re basically a an armed militia/rebellion, who fought against the British monarchy during the Irish war for independence/Anglo-Irish War. Some consider the IRA to be guerrilla freedom fighters, others consider them terrorists. To a significant extent the war was motivated by Catholic persecution by Protestants in England. And many of the IRA members exercised violence despite pastoral guidance from the Pope to pursue peace. it’s important for us to remember that even in the 20th and 21st century violence can enter the hearts of all of Christian and non-Christian alike to resort to some terrible things, which is why these teaching should be reiterated for future generations

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

Abortion pills are still for sale in every American state. These pills account for 93% of cases. They are taken almost exclusively between weeks 6 and 8. ...

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

There is only one victim. Do you think there's an adult human being in the world that doesn't know where they came from? Is there an adult human being that actually believes that they were grown in a Cabbage Patch or they were delivered by a stork in a little cloth pouch. Do you think there's a human being in the world that hasn't heard of an adoption? There is only one victim. Everyone else in the process is a conscious intelligent adult.

[@animula6908]

Society thinks of death as a solution, and humans as problems. We are so backward, and the world feels like a place where people think and act in these nihilistic ways. It really does.

[@jamesmcgrath3841]

@Brian. True Brian. But you are now "preaching" to the converted. To the crowd who already shares your view. Problem is you just want to argue. and give the Catholic Church no credit whatsoever. Even when you fully agree with its view.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

I invite you to check any Catholic pro-life source and they will demand that the woman is a victim

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

Catholics refuse to place criminal penalties upon the parents.

[@nathanjones3621]

Thank you for the insite on torture, inquisition, diference of church and civil. I couldn't help but notice a similar response the church has taken in our time on how they handle abandoned spouses in marriage. The tribunals force these marriages through the torture and cruelty the culture has on marriage via the civil courts. Even if the tribunal has been asked to step in they will not claiming they cant do anything or it will be forcing someone. When divorce is granted they deal with annulments, handing them out in many diocese like candy. I seen children psychologically conditioned to affirm divorce not just accept it as a free will choice but that it was the will God and that person that chose it is not committing any wrong cause we cant judge. I pray for tribunals to end the omission, they do, in their lack of stepping in. An observation I have made they seem to take the seat of pontius pilot governing the clean up of the torture they let happen. This is the devils war on marriage where do the Shepard's stand I do say with genuine respect as I cry out for virtue to be displayed in this war by our leaders.

[@kathywiens9852]

I truly understand and agree to a certain degree what you shared here. It is a definite sign, and a bad sign, of the depraved times we live in.. My question is this. Should either party in a divorce be forgiven of wrong doing? Even if after years of decernment either party has come to a place of acknowledgment, repentance, and contrition over whatever led to the breakdown of the marriage? I only ask because I do think we need to remember the Church has always been and needs to be a place, that through the Sacraments, is a hospital for sinners with God's never ending love and Mercy. If this going through the annulment process don't try their best to learn, mature and grow in the Faith, that's not the Church's fault. All of our journeys are filled with a certain degree of sin. Many of the Saints life's didn't started off very sinful. We must always be a Church of hope. There is more I write but I'll leave it there. We all know that the attack on the family has been the devils #1 plan this past couple of generations. He's definitely succeeded in that. All we can do is speak out about the harm and work to do better. Even the divorced need to do that.

[@nathanjones3621]

@@kathywiens9852 as I journey on my stand for marriage I look not just at the magesteriums legality on the matter but in union with Scripture and Tradition. To answer your questions in union with the Church being a hospital I would say this, yes we should forgive not just either party but both should forgive as you have stated we all sin to a degree. These vices we take into the Sacrament of Marriage or are formed in marriage as a response to the lack of the sacrificial call. These wrongs vices or sins are the very thing Christ is asking us to help our spouse overcome as we are called to be our brothers keeper 3rd end of marriage the salvation of the spouses. The acknowledgement is an acknowledgement of wrongs and the mere fact they have happened by self and the other it should be noted that we ought not to focus on emotional distress from the acts but objectively veiwed so to see Christ and have a rational view of how this hurt compares to His passion. To stay true to the Sacrament we are all called to repent in marriage this does not mean just to God in the confessional (very necessary) but also through our spouse (children if blessed with) to God and in true contrition a willingness to do penance not just that which we recieve in the confessional but meeting the rational requests of the spouse in order to help grow virtue in both. These requests should not be forced via court order but encouraged by the spouses and fostered by the Church community (call of the communion of saints). Christ died for His Spouse at her very hand and when resurrected He did not seek a knew bride but forgiving His first calling her to virtue. Virtue is how we combat vice. I am not saying any of this is easy but the crosses do become lighter as we the Church help to properly step in as Simon did with Christ to carry the weight even though it was not Simon's cross as it appears on the surface of the story.