Avengers Endgame - How To Waste A Climax

[@TheCloserLook]

Hey Guys, I just wanted to say thank you for the incredible support over the past few months and especially to my patrons who help to keep this channel afloat, and not to mention we've nearly hit half a million subs which is something I honestly never thought I'd reach :D I'm a lazy bugger however, so I have nothing planned for reaching the milestone, however I do have a video on how to make a video essay coming out very soon so keep your eyes peeled for that. In the video I'll say my controversial opinions on the video essay community and also give advice to anyone who wants to become a video essayist. It just so happens its release may coincide with my 500k milestone so... actually yeah, that's my half a million special, my entirely planned one. (looks side to side suspiciously) Anyway, thanks a ton to every last one of you for sticking around, and thanks to audible for sponsoring today's video. Please do check them out by clicking my link as when you do, it encourages audible to work with me again which makes my income more steady, and thus my future on KZbin far more hopeful :D (TL;DR please click my audible link so I can stave off from getting a real job) Have a great day, - Henry

[@maarten9272]

Give me le Grand swallow 😩

[@userjoinedyourchannel1]

Thankfully more and more content creator are talking about how wasteful this movie and cinematic series has been. Not just the ending, the whole damn mcu is pretty mediocre. Wish they paid the animators overtime and the cg supervisors better or enough smh

[@kenwkls6392]

i learn alot from your vids. good work

[@FB35959]

hey would you do another review of Batman V Superman once again ? people says they found more things after re watching in the second time or more

[@TheUnintentionalWildCard]

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[@kosco1151]

The idea of Hulk going into a rage over Natashas supposed death within the battle wouldve been amazing

[@javiermachado10]

I thought maybe he could get so angry his heart would glow red from his blood boiling and the camera pans to the other characters watching hulk's normal green skin to a more scarlet red, then it switches back to a close up of hulks eyes as the tears on his face turns into vapor. I'm sure my lil fan fiction breaks rules within the marvel universe but still, sounds like a pretty cool sequence to me

[@EGGSHL]

@@javiermachado10well it certainly hits harder than endgame did. Fucking hulk got done so dirty :(

[@ATR000]

​@BlueChipSigns I figured the Endgame is a reflection of what a puss Mark Ruffalo is....

[@dominiquejones3805]

MCU has completely nerfed Hulk. He didn't even get a quick rematch with Thanos

[@tintiniitk]

Yeah, but then you would have taken away her glorious fight and death scene at Vormir. I would keep Natasha's death the same, but make it so that Tony Stark's death would happen sooner in the story (before Dr. Strange or any of the other heroes earlier turned dust showed up). Tony's death would cause the most dreadful and hopeless moment in the battle (kind of like that of Dumbledore in HP6 or that of Aragon in LOTR2), and then when all hope is lost. the portals would start opening up and the tables would turn.

[@jaidendavis3815]

The children of thanos are the most down played characters i have ever seen

[@connorp3764]

Laughs in Knights of Ren

[@canvas_125]

They should’ve been harder to beat against the Avengers. I loved Cap’s intro in Infinity War, but they really underwhelmed the threat of Thanos’ children. Especially Ebony Maw.

[@captainhowlerwilson508]

Wait till you see the Knights of Ren. They were severely underplayed. The children of Thanos at least had some cool battles.

[@Lazekillerwhale]

Laugh in Decepticons.

[@Blarnix]

They’re made of literal jello

[@benl.4577]

It's why Infinity War's final battle felt even more tense, because everyone was serious as hell. Endgame's final battle, although awesomely epic, was pure fanservice and had no stakes at all.

[@valeskatkda]

In Infinity War they couldn’t stop making jokes

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@valeskatkda Same with Endgame

[@ianmcelmurry2882]

I don’t really think infinity wars had much progression or stakes either

[@BTTFMovie]

What do you mean? Rather than kill only half the population, Thanos' plan became to kill everyone. No do-overs or second chances this time. If the Avengers lost again, the effects would've been permanent. The stakes were literally and objectively doubled.

[@benl.4577]

@@BTTFMovie yeah but the whole movie was basically dread on Thanos' arrival. Literally the whole world was all desparate to stop him. In endgame, they never planned for him to show up, he just kinda did and they fought right there and then.

[@hihunter7]

I didn't really like Nebula at first, but the more I understand her story and trauma. I feel really bad for her and appreciate how complex and in depth she is. For mostly being a supporting character she's really been given a good amount of development and I've come to really appreciate her

[@nicktherude]

agreed i was just thinking why don't they do a nebula and/or gamora tv show or movie instead of fucking ms marvel

[@alyssaharger6992]

Infinity war is an incredible movie, endgame has incredible moments. That’s how I’ve always thought of it.

[@itszaque]

100% agreed! Endgame had great fan service but Infinity War was the real work of art.

[@90AlmostFamous]

Endgame has zero moments. Infinity war has memorable moments (almost every guardians and avengers interactions)

[@alyssaharger6992]

90AlmostFamous what about Avengers Assemble, or Cap picking up Mjolnir.

[@JamieWAbbott]

YES. Gosh damn yes this comment is perfect

[@mania4270]

Infinity war was ok, i think ppl were just so in to the characters that they gavw it a pass. Cap America has no arc in that movie. The wakanda scenes come off as forced. It wasnt very good

[@archetype8326]

There was little tension , the fact that shuri can fight in this battle and survive without any injuries is absolutely baffling.

[@ChrisDodges123]

....but you're okay with Howard The Duck

[@slothrocket8540]

Also, from the snapped peoples' perspectives, they're teleported to the battlefield mere moments after being snapped, so when did she have time to deck herself out in war paint and fighting gauntlets?

[@tvman250]

Chris Dodges Howard the Duck lived with Ravengers in GotG2. So it kinda makes since that he would have actual combat experience, or at the very least survival tactics. Shuri on the other hand has never shown combat experience, unless you count getting bodied by Killmonger and Corvus Glaive. I don’t personally have beef w/ Shuri, but come on even Spiderman was getting trashed in that battle.

[@Fannystark007]

@@slothrocket8540 Its a fairly long time after Banner snapped them back. And Dr Strange has seen this one outcome and just might have instructed them about the faith of the universe? I feel sad for the Asgardian and Wakandan soldiers which litteeally have been in a serious battle before they got snapped.

[@canghaiyangfan]

Chris Dodges stfu Howard is the most op character and you know it.

[@greatdayfilms]

I could never put my finger on why I didn't like Endgame as much as Infinity War until now! This was it! A major lack of tension throughout the entire film!!!

[@maddiesinger5414]

Yup true, but the Time Heist was tense imo. The final act wasn't though

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

That's because we knew what'd happen in this one. Infinity War, from its very name, to its trailers, to its music and setting, was unlike the rest of the MCU. It was by far the greatest thing they've ever made. Endgame was in my opinion one of the worst. I didn't feel the need to go see it in cinemas, and I literally fell asleep watching it at home. I didn't even fall asleep during Black Panther, so imagine that!

[@_JayRamsey_]

@@TheStraightestWhitest I recently watched Endgame for the first time, at home; my son had to tell me how it ended. I didn't even realise I'd fallen asleep because of how assured victory was by the point of the last battle.

[@jp-zp3ds]

Straight White Male black panther was good though

[@LordMegatron-qk2gz]

Endgame is still great and I would not call it bad. Haters.

[@LiltryLive]

That alternative version of the fight is genuinely such a good idea that I felt all the emotions just by listening to it. It’s such a powerful idea that sent shivers down my spine that I would rather see than the actual climax of Endgame. And it’s sad that it’ll never be on screen 😭

[@Ra-Hul-K]

seriously what was his ending again? captain america beats thano's ass with mjolnir?

[@ihaventshoweredin7weeksbut792]

@@Ra-Hul-K maybe after cap holds off thanos with mjolnir long enough for tony to gain back consciousness, thanos gets the last stone and just repeat iron man’s death scene as he looks at doctor strange

[@CircuitrinosOfficial]

@@Ra-Hul-K The established goal was to finish repairing the time machine and send the stones back and erasing the new Thanos from that timeline. I'm not sure how he was planning to do that though.

[@MrMuel1205]

Wait a few years. Plug this version into an AI. Sit back and watch the superior version.

[@lolmanmagee2785]

same

[@margaretcummings4146]

I freaking HATED that "diversity moment", it felt completely unearned, like there was literally no reason for all of the women in the MCU to be in the same shot together. It felt like the creators being like "look at all the women we have! Give us a cookie!!" Which felt especially cheap considering how Tony's sacrifice was SO honored he got this huge funeral with everyone in attendance, and even though Natasha made the exact same sacrifice, she basically got no acknowledgement aside from one person saying they miss her. In addition to restructuring the battle the way you described, I would also restructure the ending, so that the original avengers got their moment of recognition, but the last moment of the film was that long shot of all of them, so that we could see how far we've come since the beginning, and how many people had to fight together to save the world.

[@Mirrorcomics24]

Girls do get it done>endgame girl scene

[@luke5930]

@@Mirrorcomics24 I was literally about to say a good example of a female fight is the boys one lol. That one felt badass and it felt earned and it didn't feel forced at all, in fact everyone was cheering, with endgame everyone was just a bit annoyed

[@Mirrorcomics24]

@@luke5930 yep

[@vidzpk5144]

They did Black Widow so dirty

[@jackmcgough1164]

The diversity moment did feel a bit forced I respect the reason for adding it but it felt way too checkboxish and unnatural

[@GenericProtagonist7]

Here's the thing: The fight in LOTR is like a multiplayer match in a videogame; It feels real, every soldier is out their with their own objectives and goals to complete on top of just killing the enemy, and every single soldier has the chance to turn the tide of the battle. There is a tangible sense that either side could win. The fight in End game is like a war sequence in a single player game; it's a backdrop to the player and no matter what you do it will always end the same way, even if you stand there and do nothing the fight will end the same way, either your NPC Allies will continue to progress in endless waves inevitably overrunning the enemy, or, your NPC Allies will kill enough enemies to trigger an unavoidable cutscene where you lose. There is a false sense of "anyone could win" but it's an easily shattered façade.

[@chrisdawson1776]

Perfect analogy

[@sebasmartinsm]

@The Path That Rocks cant kill her though cause that would be sexist and we have to hold Hollywood to their patriarchy crimes

[@havelyntherockelyn1576]

I completely agree this was an excellent analogy! Take the like

[@GenericProtagonist7]

@The Path That Rocks I didn't have any real game in mind when I typed this comment. But for reference, one that I know well myself for the single player war sequences are any of the battles in Call of Duty: World at War. When I used to play it I'd sit back and simply spectate the two armies fight it out, inevitably the Allies would overwhelm the Axis forces every single time no matter what difficulty it was on simply because the Allies spawned endlessly and there where a limited number of Axis soldiers.

[@dannypalin9583]

Generic Protagonist This. What spoiled the finale in Endgame is that even in the midst of a big battle, characters can stand around and talk and the opposing side won't even try to attack them while they're distracted.

[@spritemon98]

I hated scarlet witch in the movies because the movies never improved her for me while in Wandavision I absolutely love her character

[@Skyewardbound]

Wandavision made me appreciate AoU a hell of a lot more

[@mawinstallation6626]

Civil War tho...

[@Xenpen6]

I eeally likes he rin the movies but wanda vision made me LOVEE her

[@spritemon98]

@@mawinstallation6626 in civil war it felt like their romance was a bit forced

[@alexanderrique579]

Improved how ? Because in every appearance her powers grow and get stronger compare her from age of Ultron to endgame her powers have developed by leaps and bounds and her character changes and improves so I'm wondering what you mean

[@DaveUnreally]

I’ve gotta agree. Fight scenes need a story. Also, I was disappointed the hulk didn’t get his sweet redemption and slap Thanos around some. I don’t care how skilled a fighter you are, you’re not out fighting the hulk unless it’s to aid the story in a certain direction

[@monkehotdogs2227]

Its an absolute shame how badly hulk has been nerfed in the MCU 🤣Not as bad as Taskmaster at least

[@Nickwilde2295]

So what if it's disappointing it was the last Marvel movie before marvel movies went to shit in 2020s

[@monkeynuts1046]

i wanted hulk to give thanos the loki treatment

[@dominiquejones3805]

He didn't have 2 beat Thanos but I mean a stare down then throw down a lil bit would of been enough 4 me. Hulk has been nerf3d 2 nothing. Loki isn't even dangerous n his own show

[@jblegend5272]

Nah I’m glad he didn’t

[@RiseOfTheKumquat67]

For all the fan service that was in this film, it absolutely pales in comparison to what they could've done if the Infinity Stones were utilized properly: -Imagine Thor loading the Power Stone into Stormbreaker and then fighting Thanos with a partially complete Gauntlet. -Imagine hundreds of wizards and Asgardians fighting in vain to slow down Thanos while he has the Reality Stone. -Imagine either side all-but-winning the fight only for someone to use the Time Stone. So much of what made Infinity War so great was the creative fight scenes that were only made possible because of the Infinity Stones and now it's all over. Marvel will never have an opportunity like this again.

[@TheCloserLook]

Exactly, the infinity stones had so much cool potential for uses for utterly terrifying the audience with how powerful they are. And it was never used :/

[@Jaslath]

@@TheCloserLook Because if the stones were used in such a fashion the heroes would have never won. At least not with any believability.

[@optimusprime8609]

@@revolverswitch Plz explain

[@bluechick7113]

I‘ve never thought about it that way and I want to thank you for this amazing idea! I particularly love the image of the wizards vs the reality stone

[@Ixe2077]

Well, the 2015 Secret Wars is going to be implemented into the MCU in the future so I think we'll see even crazier shit there, or you can wait for Doctor Strange 2 because that's supposed to be totally bonkers.

[@tomlinson1710]

I loved the buildup to the fight instead of the actual fight.

[@andreasalazar6710]

Yes! The build up it's the one that feels incredible because it actually relials in everything that came before and lead to this moment

[@thesmartonesback2650]

Build up is better than payoff most of the time because pay offs are hard to do you have to look at every aspect of the build up and payoff all of it and that hard.

[@bryanwoo8415]

The big three vs Thanos was better but the "portals" scene is so epic

[@nachiket7565]

@@thesmartonesback2650 You ever watched code Geass?

[@fungusz_4292]

ofc

[@Topunito]

I did not think anyone would have the guts to make a video with THAT title. I salute you.

[@kykel4948]

He was able to do it because he was also able to back it up. Lots of good points that I had issues with myself when I saw the movie. The ending, while impactful with Tony's demise was otherwise a CGI character showboat of little story value. So much missed potential.

[@thomaszhang5437]

its called justified clickbait

[@bird9230]

Article writing 101. Controversial is better than factual.

[@DocAlexandrite]

What a hero, omg, he bravely made clickbait when no one else would

[@danielred5470]

MrMortsnarg considering he did what he titled. Then it is not clickbait.

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

The 3 v 1 of thanos vs the avengers felt like the actual final battle cause it felt like he could’ve killed any of them at any point

[@mateusbandeira9017]

Even that was weird because Rogers was taking hits from Thanos like he had super strength or something

[@АртурАртуров-ф4ю]

​@@mateusbandeira9017 And Thor was getting staggered by Thanos' punches and kicks as if he didn't tank Hulk's attacks on the regular.

[@gracehickey9719]

love how this video provided not only criticism but also solutions and examples of how this sequence could have been improved!

[@mrpedrobraga]

That's what criticism is supposed to be like!!!!

[@goratuti1098]

That’s what constructive criticism is

[@mastermuffin3950]

thats what i like about this channel so much

[@Bozopeoples]

Seriously, I hate when people criticize without giving any insight on how something could've been better, just makes them seem like negative assholes

[@KangarooMonkey]

His examples was just copying Lord of the Rings, and I'll admit it would've been better but you could improve almost any movie scene by ripping off Lord of the Rings.

[@GordonSeal]

The one thing that bothers me, Thanos could have killed the Avengers army in an instant the moment they stepped through the portals, by just blasting them with his huge spaceship cannons.

[@diannajennings266]

Not really... The directors said, for us to treasure that iconic moment it was slowed down from our perspective but to Thanos and his army's perspective, they probably arrived all at the same time.There was no awkward waiting in real time that is.

[@diannajennings266]

It's cinematic liberty and I'm glad they did it that way because the feeling was incredible around the world

[@aakarshverma5793]

That's the most stupid thing to do, attacking people coming out of nowhere is most dumbfk idea ever

[@GordonSeal]

@Ks The final battle already sucked, there was no tension, no question who's going to win and nothing interesting happening. It was just a shiny but meaningless visual mashup. With most of the "good guys" getting blasted right away, the odds would at least not be in the heroes favor and you would wonder how they are going to win this.

[@Youfrbray]

@@GordonSeal that a lie quit hating just bc this stupid KZbinr said it’s bad

[@DJ-kx8bg]

"You can't do what a child does with it's toys." Lol. that sums it up perfectly.

[@ezekielglenn5009]

That sums up the mcu

[@AZ30590]

They shoulda went with what an adult does with their toys

[@RM-cn8pw]

D J It literally doesn’t at all.

[@thonk1914]

in my opinion, make a movie fun especially a super hero movie mashing your toys together and making a huge battle is fun if you can turn that into a movie and make it fun then I'm happy

[@RM-cn8pw]

ZEDreality You mean just put them on a shelf to collect dust, and in some cases, not even take them out of the box?

[@aristosachaion_]

The funny thing is, they actually hit all these notes in this movie, but in the fight BEFORE the climax, when the three stooges are fighting Thanos 3v1. It's a fight I always come back to when I remember this movie because it balances that sense of progression so well... and then they snub it all in the following fight.

[@agilemind6241]

Exactly, the fight before was the Helms Deep, and the portals opening was the Rohirim arriving. The problem with Endgame is that they then continue the battle for WAY too long when it's effective over, and they shove Tony Stark's sacrifice in it despite the fact that from the point the portals open the fight is entirely one-sided towards the heroes.

[@TacticalSocks]

The most underwhelming factor was having 2014 Thanos as the "ultimate bad guy" in the 3rd act, instead of 2023 Thanos; the stakes didn't feel as high and personal as they should've been.

[@gawkgawk1000]

How is Thanos going to be alive in 2023 if Thor chopped his head?

[@kuusakat1308]

@@gawkgawk1000 that doesn't negate their point lol

[@gawkgawk1000]

@@kuusakat1308 but it doesn't make sense

[@kuusakat1308]

@@gawkgawk1000 Well then you need to work around it. Either have the Thanos at the end be from, let's say 2018. Or 2023, but in the past. Or then don't kill Thanos in the beginning.

[@gawkgawk1000]

@@kuusakat1308 so the point is?

[@normis6620]

The problem with the end of endgame is that they aren’t fighting Thanos. They’re fighting “Thanos from the past” who has nothing to do with what happened. He was shoehorned in the story because they needed a final boss.

[@JohnSmith-ns6dp]

Normis Yeah. Seeing him beheaded at the start of the movie ruined the movie immediately.

[@arthurmorgan1830]

John Smith i dont know all about that🤷‍♂️,i feel like thanos had his time to shine,the movie was about the avengers and it only needed okay villain

[@natyinthehouse]

John Smith it’s called a plot twist. In the day we live in, we don’t get surprised about what the plot of movies are anymore, especially blockbusters. Thanos was dead and there was nothing anyone else could do so it was over. The characters completely lost hope that anything could change what happened. Then Ant-Man returns and so does the hope of the Avengers. Then time travel. Then they succeeded. And the battle is their second chance to protect everything they lost and they’re gonna do it right this time. It’s the same exact stakes and they know the consequences all too well. Thanos might be from 2014, but he knows everything that happens from Nebula’s memories and he seriously sees the Avengers as a threat rather than an obstacle. He actually got to see his ideal world after his death. It’s not like he was told that he succeeded and that some people were trying to undue it in the future. He knows the threat because of Nebula and sends the Nebula loyal to him through time. In Infinity War, Thanos spends half the movie underestimating the Avengers until the very end. Endgame he brings the big guns and does it himself because there is no underestimations here. He’s from the past, but he is smarter because he learned from the mistakes his future self makes. Don’t underestimate thanos just because he’s from 2014.

[@M_k-zi3tn]

No no. Whether it's Thanos from years ago or the present one, he's still the same ball sack chin, Pokemon Bruce Willis guy who has taken it upon himself to play God and erase half of life. So he has just about everything to do with what happened.

[@d_fendr6222]

I also dont like how they just made him a comically evil villain.

[@kaustubhsharma3908]

Honestly, I prefer infinity war over endgame But like both

[@harshchoudhary9623]

me too

[@kuukkeli6984]

@Biswajit Roy man of culture

[@charliefarson1362]

I prefer Iron man..Captain america the first avenger. Thor : ragnarok..well..you get the point.

[@ianbailey4213]

I don't even really like Infinity War. It's trying to do so much that it loses out on that classic marvel appeal (the character interactions) and it's novelty is in the fact of just how many characters are on screen.

[@lucasb9285]

@@ianbailey4213 not really its roller coster of emtions(infinito war)

[@frenchvideoclub8031]

So glad someone said this. I was so excited when the portals opened, and I was like, “wow, I wonder how they’re going to structure this fight,” and then everyone just ran forward. I was like, “oh, well, I guess that’s one way to do it.”

[@alphax101-gaming2]

I still don’t get it, how else is that supposed to go? Like that’s literally how large superhero battles work?? Anything different would be stupid

[@Shadowpunk2077]

The enemy has to look like its a threat. If its not, then the viewer will see no point in the conflict. And you can't rely on past fights either. The Army's is Endgame could probably have been removed, and the fight would have more or less been the same.

[@YonkoAgenda]

I always hate the hordes of enemies that die quickly, just feels like pointless fluff to the battle

[@mr.iiconic]

@@YonkoAgenda that's just classic comic books though

[@nick.19]

@@mr.iiconic It's better in comics tho

[@mr.iiconic]

@@nick.19 how

[@sashimi879]

@@mr.iiconic stupid

[@MiotaLee]

This makes me realize how little I remember of Endgame.

[@talhamaab]

i mean it was a grwat film but forgetful one

[@bugsyn]

MiotaLee Exactly! The only memorable part is the final battle

[@PerfectDark0]

_____ COMING TO AN END??? The DCEU or whatever will NEVER overpower the MCU. That’s pure fact

[@pretendtheresaname9213]

@_____ Joker was pretty bad.

[@spookyhours607]

pretend there's a name it actually wasn’t.

[@idigamstudios7463]

Actual conversation when watching Endgame with my buds: "What's Captain Marvel's powers?" "Damage." "Why is she here?" "Damage."

[@AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhliJj]

More like: - What's Captain Marvel's powers? - Gender empowering...

[@basedandcumpilled5523]

her power is simply *Getting Stronger* with no explanation whatsoever

[@yoqueen9366]

I mean add game was filmed before captain marvel....

[@NatsumiMichi]

Thanos kicking her ass into the dirt was a definite highlight of the battle. Funny how they establish a damn near supersayian character that eventualyl proceeds to fail at even the most basic of tasks. Like 500m obstacle track run glove delivery. And she can *fly*.

[@artisticiguana3590]

Endgame was filmed before captain marvel, so her abilities weren’t very clear. They just tried to make her important and although it didn’t work very well, she still proved a vital character in the battle.

[@DustinM83]

This "improved" version is missing one key emotional piece. In the original, the Avengers weren't sure they succeeded in bringing everyone back. So the big emotional moment when all hope is lost is followed by "not only did we succeed in bringing everyone back, but now we have help". Learning that they brought everyone back separately from help arriving diminishes that big moment. I wish there was a way to incorporate these changes without diluting that moment's emotional impact.

[@Particle9a4]

That's actually possible, just have Wong do it instead of Dr. Strange. After Thanos arrives just have him tells The Avengers that he would gather every remaining help he can find (or have Captain America told him to after noticing that Thanos bring an army). Even if the snapped not brought back, there are still the remains of Asgardians, Wakandans, and Kamar Taj Sorcerers. And the rest plays out the same.

[@DustinM83]

@@Particle9a4 Genius!

[@Oscar-dc4ur]

Damn. That’s a good point

[@nt9382]

I knew it! I knew something was missing in the final battle. I told my friends... They called me a madman. I thought At least one person would be with me. But reality is often disappointing.

[@whiski8357]

Tru, i felt it the moment they clashed

[@JetStrmSam]

“Congratulations you’re a prophet” “No, I’m a survivor”

[@LouisKingLouis]

The portals scene really hyped me up, until the moment everyone clashed. Went downhill from there, and when me and my friend came out of theatres, he wouldn't believe me when I said the fight was underwhelming :(

[@syriano9637]

You sound like Thanos

[@raptorkitten6264]

“They called me a madman”

[@makotoplush9776]

I loved the Avengers: Endgame's climax however I do understand your criticism

[@aruzf9681]

Cosmo the blue peashooter same

[@phrog7193]

this comment be like: "i like your criticism, however i dont care"

[@xord1946]

It really could mean two very opposite things. "I like it, I understand why you criticize it but I don't wanna listen because I enjoy liking it and don't wanna change my mind." "I liked it, but now that you're saying that I'm able to see it in a very different angle."

[@makotoplush9776]

@@xord1946 I mean the second one

[@Jdudec367]

@@phrog7193 not exactly... care but I still would love the battle....

[@27DJMA]

Video: "Now before you hit disli--" Dislikes: "I am iNEvitBLe"

[@oakleyhasafoot7878]

27DJMA this video: and I.... am... an opinion

[@tarnishedpose]

@@oakleyhasafoot7878 look at little mcu fanboy Jr Gonna cry?

[@oakleyhasafoot7878]

Nicolas S. How am I an MCU fan boy if this guy said the final fight wasn’t good and I said it was an opinion?

[@TheCloserLook]

Dread it, run from it, the dislikes still arrive all the same.

[@joshgroban5291]

@@oakleyhasafoot7878 it's a joke

[@greatwavefan397]

I'm considering writing an endgame scene for a fanfic, and you've made some excellent points that remind me of how I wanna approach character development: The whole. It can be overwhelming to focus on the development of each individual character, but treating groups as if they were their own characters helps simplify things, add more meaning to their growing relationships, and keep the readers reminded of their goals. Am I reading this right?

[@bigfanofstuff3266]

When you're done, leave a link. I'd really love to read that

[@megacrashthehedgehog5377]

I'll admit, I enjoy the final battle for what it's worth, but the problem is, as cool as it was to see all these characters go into battle, the fight itself was still a whole lot of flash with very little substance.

[@rhetiq9989]

Still better than infinity war’s wakanda battle

[@Darkneonflame13]

Marvellizor 99 sorry to say but no

[@housevo330]

Wakanda battle was a fuck whole lot better.

[@abloshow91]

Its not lotr level but yeah

[@XDarkBrotherhoodHD]

ablo show i agree

[@sofiyashazal]

I honestly thought that infinity war had the best story/battle arc. So well executed

[@The_Oracle_58]

That's the point. Endgame was the story oriented segment whereas end game is the climax to the it

[@tinalovre]

Lmaoo you mean in mcu, right?

[@desireandfire]

Infinity war had amazing pacing, it was so good

[@MCernoble]

The battle in infinity war was okay. It was not “the best” but it certainly tops endgame.

[@serkomaani4346]

Marvel is just overhyped. Great effects but the plot is always lacking

[@jackpada7015]

To be completely fair, Helm's Deep was 40 minutes of runtime, crafted over 200+ days, written by one of the best and most famous writers of a series that can be considered the most grand of all time, not to mention a great director behind the camera, and wonderful actors playing out the scene.

[@MONSTERKILL2013]

Yes, and marvel fights are mostly done in offices by cgi artists after a few days of shooting is done. Which l hope changes

[@alcedob.5850]

Endgame was the most anticipated movie of the year and got the highest box office EVER. So this is not an excuse not to do the final battle as epic as possible

[@PubicGore]

Not to mention the VFX artists who developed new technology to simulate crowds, the construction teams, costume and set designers, camera operators, cinematographers, and literally everyone else. And I'll make special mention of the fact the the soundtrack is the most masterfully crafted soundtrack in cinema history, with well over 60, easily rememberable leitmotifs of epic proportion. Clearly, many geniuses made those films.

[@sauce8277]

While from a SKILL perspective you are right….from a money perspective you are wrong. This is the largest cinematic franchise in history and they couldn’t get a second opinion?

[@chasejordan9295]

@@sauce8277 From who? They are the second opinion. They make so much money obviously they dont give a fuck.

[@ruairidhsaunders]

Nat dying and setting Bruce off into Hulk is ALWAYS how I imagined it being better. In your version, have Bruce never turn into brainy Hulk. Keep him human and depressed over the 5 years. He can be in the room fixing the time machine during this version of the battle, but have him need to leave the room for some reason, maybe to grab an item that got lost in the shuffle. He leaves and sees Natasha on the battlefield die at Thanos' hand, as she sacrifices herself to save Clint. This is the moment. Bruce is standing still, silence fills his world. The tint of green envelopes his eyes. There is no stopping it now. He grows larger than ever and Hulk is unleashed in full force. He rumbles through the battle, killing all henchman in his way. He targets Thanos, gets into a rematch from Infinity War, but now gets in all the punches he couldn't get in Infinity War, beating Thanos back with great force... HOWEVER Thanos (like he does in Endgame with Captain Marvel) grabs the Power Stone and in a last ditch saving grace, punches the Hulk with it. This take Hulk out of the equation and Bruce can no longer work the machine. Hope is lost. HOWEVER at that point Doctor Strange returns through a portal with Shuri, the only other genius that can fill the void. She sees Hulk turn back into Bruce as he loses consciousness. He tells her which item she needs. She gets it and moves on. Boom, rollercoaster.

[@kyleBoltBros]

Time Travel ruins any story. It lessens the impact of actions and consequences. I enjoyed the movie but Infinity War was better.

[@FarhanAli-we6ti]

Not necessarily. X-Men days of future past does time travel really well. And I agree with you. Infinity war > Endgame

[@spider-manunknown9193]

I prefer Endgame over infinity war but I do agree time traveling is confusing.

[@ChrisPeteG]

100% Time travel that results in characters being un-killed is stupid. I don't mean reversing The Snap. That is something that was done, and we knew it would be undone. But when characters like Gamora and Thanos die, only for the movie to spit-out an alt-past version of them to keep them in the story, it feels cheap. Like "The original version is dead, but this is a new version with none of the character development" Also...any time travel that uses stuff like 'creating a bunch of alternate realities' feels extra cheap. So what....EVERY character has an infinite number of themselves? Of their souls?Like...."present Gamora" and "present Black Widow" have their souls exchanged for the soul stone....but then there are multiverse versions of their souls that are 'alive and well' so to speak? The minute you do the multiverse, and just make the story we've been watching "one of many ways it played out" it feels super cheap. Also...time travel only works when there is a very specific set of rules laid out, and things are executed in a very logical way that makes sense according to the established rules. Endgame just did whatever it wanted to and played a big old "well, nobody really knows exactly how any of this time travel stuff works" and that feels entirely unsatisfying. Even worse when they could have kept Thanos alive, hidden on a planet with the gauntlet protected by his army....and just made the movie a big mission to go behind enemy lines, get the gauntlet, bring it back, and undo the snap. No need for the insanely unnecessary time travel plot or any of the excessive cameos/retreads of popular scenes from the history of the franchise.

[@MechaKnuckles]

@@ChrisPeteG You also have to consider how damaging undoing the snap would be. Plenty of people have probably moved on from the loss of loved ones since years have passed. People have remarried or found new partners or made new friendships. It just seems like a total mess to shove everyone back again.

[@ryanw459]

Unless it's Attack on Titan

[@twisted13jesus]

To be fair, when the red-eyed, raging Wanda came roaring in to claim her pound of purple flesh, it was pretty great. Saving Black Panther almost seemed done by accident. This was all about bloodlust, sadistic torture, and coldhearted revenge. And I was here for it. There's no one else they could have used there that would have brought the emotion to that scene the way Scarlet Witch did.

[@akapi3831]

twisted13jesus Shes one of few female heroes I like

[@xenon8117]

I don’t think she even knew he was there it feels to me like she just showed up because Thanos was there.

[@Jobother]

yeah, the entire battle is a backdrop for a few interesting character moments.

[@AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhliJj]

You mean Scarlet Johanson? Just kidding... Had to do it, sorry 😂

[@rorschach7752]

i mean imagine the rush you would feel if you saw scarlet witch getting close while fighting while Thanos is in the back and the camera focus goes from her to Thanos. While they fight a few grunts and minor soldiers, the audience will be hoping for one of the strongest avengers to take on Thanos, and that rush of excitement will come crashing onto the viewer when she finally takes the fight to him When she randomly comes in, it’s good but could’ve been way better

[@jeongminkim4409]

How could you say something so controversial yet so brave?

[@800Ms-k6n]

Because he wanna teach those Marvel fanboys what went wrong with Avengers Endgame and why is the movie good but not a masterpiece

[@gamingwitharis8859]

@@800Ms-k6n he doesn’t teach shit. You’re clearly a dc fanboy hating on marvel for its success and it’s sad

[@birons3708]

@@gamingwitharis8859 Hulk was weak as shit in Endgame

[@gamingwitharis8859]

@@birons3708 what does that have to do with anything? And btw he was the one who snapped everyone back remember

[@birons3708]

@@gamingwitharis8859 Nobody wanted to see that. They completely ruined his character. Thor and Hulk died in endgame along with Iron Man

[@th3logician]

True story: When Captain America picked up Thor’s Hammer and I was in the theater watching it I literally yelled “YEA CAPTAIN AMERICA!” Without even realizing it. I only realized I did that when my brother shook my arm and was like “dude we are in a theater.”

[@User-zv1sd]

Haha that’s awesome

[@javamoul2368]

The enitre time I watched the final fight of Endgame, I just thought to myself, "yeah, this is nice, but Captain Marvel could just do it on her own" and then she comes and does it on her own except Thanos who was protected by Plot Amor

[@jacksonscott3667]

Avengers are slightly inconvenienced. Captain Marvel: “Fine, I’ll do it myself.”

[@juanpedro_mov7372]

I wouldn't say Plot armor because the Power stone has literally ALL the power on the universe so yeah Thanos using the Power stone to counter CM was actually really smart.

[@juanpedro_mov7372]

Paul Young I don't know if you noticed but when Thanos closes his fist with the gauntlet is when he can use the stones whether it's one or 2 or all 6 so when Captain Marvel literally stopped his snap well he couldn't close his fist to use the stones so him grabbing the power stone with his other hand to harness that inmense power followed by hitting her with it was smart. I agree that they made her too OP but they definitely found something that can counter her massive power

[@jacksonscott3667]

Juan Pedro_ MOV Honestly, Thanks vs. Captain Marvel was a decent fight on its own; they were pretty evenly matched on a physical level (though she obviously has the speed and flight advantage) prior to her absorbing energy from the stones, which was the point where she started no-selling his blows. The Power Stone sucker-punch was an effective way of dealing with an enemy who’d just powered up to an extreme degree. The main issue with Captain Marvel vs. Thanos is that she can casually decimate most of his forces on the way to fighting him.

[@cryptid4131]

my big problem with the fight when I saw it was "wow, this is cool, but i feel like just a couple of these characters have the power to take thanos down really easily but that would be Too Boring for marvel so they just downplay all these really cool abilities for Plot Convenience" yknow? so many of the characters have amazing over powered abilities and they just kinda get... swept aside so the movie could show other, less powered characters punching people.

[@bellaa1664]

in conclusion: lotr is a masterpiece

[@gttown8896]

YAAAAAASSSS

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

Always the conclusion

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@Laltluangliana Sailop Gosh I hope not.

[@Rex67Diego9]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 it will always be a masterpiece

[@jeremybrown9611]

Because they did large scale battles better. They understand the importance of scaling, individuality and also the importance of UNITS

[@cjtrules1]

LOTR Helms Deep battle had the question: "Will our heroes survive and win?" Marvel's Endgame battle had the question: "How will our heroes survive and win?" Two very different ways to depict a battle. Everyone going into the movie knew our heroes would win and snap everyone back into existence. The question was HOW.

[@AnudeepRathod]

no the question was will thanos get the infinity gauntlet it dosent matter if anyone dies Its thanos who's the threat that's the question

[@jacobschiller4486]

I, on the other hand, read the Lord of the Rings books, and so I knew the answer to the first question. 😉

[@cjtrules1]

@@jacobschiller4486 Lol. Good for you. So did tons of other fans.

[@thomasbrennan1038]

@@AnudeepRathod Dude, we already knew that Thanos wasn’t getting the gauntlet, don’t be daft, I knew Disney couldn’t afford losing so many characters. Stop trying so hard to be different my guy, that may have been the question that the directors where trying to make the audience think, but not many people where thinking that unless u where a brainless 10 year old.

[@harryallen5392]

Exactly, characters have never been vulnerable in MCU. If RDJ and Chris had not decided to leave the MCU, we wouldn't even have had their death and "retirement" scene. MCU is telling a hero story, not "a story." So their heroes don't die. Does that mean the comparison with LoTR is wrong?

[@marrodc]

Great video! I definitely learned a lot from it. Though I do have a small issue with your "fix" of Endgame. I feel like if the Avengers had to once again defend something from Thanos (like they defended Vision in Infinity War), the movie would've been too similar to its prequel. Maybe the twist this time around could be the Avengers attacking Thanos and his army in his lair/base so that they can get the glove off of him and snap him away.

[@daniell1483]

Watching this in theater, I remember how unimpressed I was by this fight. Thanos' army felt like a CGI flood whose sole purpose was to prevent a direct fight with Thanos and the Avengers.

[@jeremytesticleman1607]

My guy thanos ain't even do shit in this movie, dude killed nobody, said a couple lines and dipped 😭

[@le_meme_man8983]

@@jeremytesticleman1607 Why did I not see this?! ✋😭 Endgame is SO bad!

[@oPHILOSORAPTORo]

@@jeremytesticleman1607 Sauron didn't even kill anyone, all he did was stare at everyone from the top of his tower, then disappear.

[@chrisstucker1813]

@@jeremytesticleman1607 yeah Thanos was the reason Infinity War was so memorable. In Endgame it’s not even the same Thanos, it’s a lame generic version of him who just wants to destroy the Universe because why not?!

[@chrisstucker1813]

We all wanted to see a direct fight with Thanos. But instead we got the same thing we’ve seen in the first three Avengers movies: all the heroes fight a generic lifeless CGI army. This was the culmination of like 10 years of storytelling and this was the best they could come up with…so disappointing but oh well lol.

[@usagi2934]

I think this is like a curse in disguise, the writers of the Avengers movie had focused so much time and efforts into their characters as individually that the war scene became about the characters rather than their cause. Wars just aren't supposed to be like that, it's not just about this character this and that character doing that but more of a what the whole crew is doing. I guess they're doing it right somewhat but they're too focused on the main cast.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Sad but true.

[@Savataric]

Nothing is too much focused on the characters and it’s the ending for the 6 og avengers and it’s a story why would it be too much focused?! 😡 But sry I’m not toxic and I’m just confused

[@brunoherrera7927]

And thats why the finale of the first Avengers movie is so good, it's not iron man fighting or cap fighting, it's the team

[@FinalGrade]

Yeah but you have to be careful though. If you go too far in the other direction and don't concentrate on individuals and just have a mindless giant battle it is actually worse. Many of these superhero films struggle with that too.

[@themadtitan7603]

Yeah it makes sense as the Russos did say they make action scenes based around characters.

[@RickReasonnz]

What's missing is what's missing from the entire MCU: The feeling of consequences. There was never a sense of risk, of a possibility of losing, of anything else BUT a child throwing their toys at each other. Would have been interesting to see a comparison against the end battle of Infinity War, as that was a siege with barriers breaking and losses.

[@JohnBradford14]

I guess they really were just like the comics after all!

[@Spider-Too-Too]

especially when we had more at stake in infinite war

[@marveler8994]

You havent seen movies like civil war where they still lost there huh

[@marveler8994]

@Hamaa7 thats endgame

[@_sekremmlin_8274]

Thats why i loved infinty war. I felt thaons power. In endgame not so much. If infinity war would have been the end of the mcu, that would have been so unexpected and amazing.

[@bladetb3934]

I think one of the problems was they had already won. Yeah they added a new problem woth new thanos wanting to wipe everything. But there was no build up to that. They solved old thanos problem and now have to clean up the new issue.

[@BungieStudios]

This is why the smaller Infinity War battles were better. You understand the battlefields and where the characters are on them. You know the stakes.

[@TheRealSpheal]

I agree with everyone Lol

[@randycrawford1132]

You’re wrong

[@TheRealSpheal]

No u

[@sophieh.4097]

IN CONCLUSION: lotr is still king of cinematic battle 😩

[@colinmitchell1276]

I LOVE lord of the rings but I really think Game of Thrones outdid it with The Battle of the Bastards and The Long Night. I know a lot of people disagree with me on the second one but I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

[@ikhwanmauaja1184]

No, not a battle. Could be done 1v1. More like war tho

[@diegosotomiranda4107]

@@colinmitchell1276 i disagree, battle of the bastards is remembered for the building before the battle and the aftermath (ramsay death) but not for the battle itself, cause you cant see shit sometimes and the direction was clumsy (like in following battles in got) not that bad like season 7 and 8 battles but i wouldnt say they surpassed lotr in any of that regard, but i dont think its fair comparing a series with 8 seasons to build a story and characters with a trilogy that compends a big book story in wayy less hours

[@colinmitchell1276]

@@diegosotomiranda4107 the direction in The Battle of the Bastards was brilliant. Despite the chaos you can always follow what is going on and there is never a moment where the characters are out of danger. The Battle of the Bastards has fantastic build-up and a fantastic conclusion but the thing everyone remembers is the battle itself. I have never met someone who was unable to follow what was happening and I have definitely never met someone who didnt like it.

[@eddiejc1]

If you mean "The Two Towers", then yes. But the ending to "The Return of the King" dragged, and Marvel did a better job wrapping up the storylines than Jackson did.

[@Mayu1505]

I was also really disappointed when no one was hurt like you know like a blow to the leg of captain america and he is unable to walk and still fights that would be amazing Most of the MCU fights are just CGI wonders they don't really show a human side of a fight that is hurt and pain

[@darienwest4748]

Russian Spy I did and he's correct. Now your turn, watch the movies.

[@brahmaputramoskva1215]

Considering the comic thanos,captain america would have been dead within few minutes!

[@michaelcarrasquillo4781]

Well Captain America had his arm really hurt and he was bleeding so he tightened his shield to stop the bleeding. Seemed to be kind of a struggle for him a little but that’s about it

[@altrag]

Spidey got a nosebleed!

[@towersthetoad2161]

Ever heard of the Gone series? It's a book series but it sure as hell has the human side of a fight you're looking for.

[@GreatGreenGoo]

I really like what you did with Hulk. They should have given him that moment. He deserved it

[@distractedgaming4526]

I remember thinking when I watched this movie... "Wait... this was the ONE victorious path? One of overwhelming victory?" Infinity War made great emphasis that the heroes win in only ONE out of MILLIONS of possible outcomes. With that massive a skew, even the victorious route should have been incredibly difficult. As you point out in this video, even if there are moments of dread, overall it feels like victory is the foregone conclusion. And it feels terribly out of place after the masterpiece that was Infinity War. As much as I loved the MCU, Endgame really was an unfortunate let down.

[@sloppnbiscuiitz]

You is NOT lyin lol

[@Jdudec367]

eh....I dunnp with the chase after the gauntlet it felt close and tense

[@namast3260]

@@Jdudec367 not really, they made Captain Marvel nearly take down Thanos in under 10 seconds

[@MorKmbt]

Thanos was literally this close to annihilating the entire universe with the snap of his fingers

[@raulcasarez2150]

@Ultra Trash not really we all knew thanos wasn’t gonna win anyways Endgame was predictable and generic as hell. Can’t really take a war fight seriously when dumb jokes are forced down your face every 5 seconds.

[@jamesdeanharrelson9743]

Did anyone else feel like endgame was predictable. It was good but i knew who was gonna die (except for black widow) and all that

[@techpriestalex8730]

Yeah, it was always going to be a good guys win ending, Thanos was going to lose. My number 1 problem with Marvel is they kill every single villain, so you can never take the threat seriously, because at the end of the day good guys win.

[@jordanelliot3972]

Only two people died....

[@subhadityabasu9224]

Consequence of reading too many fan theories

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

@@techpriestalex8730 Wut. Lots of villains are still alive.

[@marshmallowvampire8503]

It was, but they arguably handled it well b'coz through the rest of the movie it was mostly focused on how the team works together and makes amends instead of just stakes

[@DDay_Movies]

I think the problem you have with the climax stems from where you seem to see the climax beginning, the portal scene. For me, the climax starts just after Hulk snaps everyone back and Thanos arrives in his ship. The portal scene I see as equivalent to Gandalf arriving on the fifth day or Aragorn rolling into Minas Tirith with the ghosts. If the climax starts when Thanos arrives, you do get that emotional roller coaster you’re talking about. Hope when Hulk snaps his fingers, desperation when Thanos blows up the compound, hope when the big 3 team up, desperation when Thor is pinned, hope when Cap lifts the hammer, desperation when he stands alone against the army, and hope when the portals open followed by a thorough ass kicking that’s capped off with a huge sacrifice. That’s how I see it anyway. I was pretty utterly blown away by Endgame as a whole though too

[@markborishnikoff5485]

Same here, i didn't have a problem with the climax. I thought it was great. I liked this video too, but i don't see the point of changing it.

[@YumiSumire]

Also, the Infinity Gaunlet is not a MacGuffin

[@legacyoflore1597]

I agree so much

[@bintavi7034]

@@YumiSumire but it is isn't it? It is the thing everyone is pursuing to accomplish their main goals

[@YumiSumire]

@@bintavi7034 not really. MacGuffin is a thing that every characters want to have, that has almost no characteristic or backstory and can be replaced by anything and woundn't change the story.

[@Bopperann]

The whole time I was begging that Strange would at least try using the portal to sever Thanos' gauntlet arm. But it never happens. Sure, portals are OP, but it'd be nice to at least have an excuse for the obvious unused strategies.

[@mun123keet]

The only complaint about Endgame I have is the fact that we knew everyone that got snapped are coming back at the end of this movie. And they weren't subtle about it. Like Spider-Man FFH was announced before Endgame came out. Although I doubt Marvel had control of that because it was Sony's movie, but that just undermines the stakes of the movie.

[@madscientist916]

I complained the whole time between the two films that the emotional impact of Infinity War was wasted by the knowledge of a sequel. We knew that 95% of the characters would come back/survive, and that there would be a token sacrifice to make it feel like they didn't play one giant game of take-backsies.

[@nets4life377]

Xrixten but how do you make it subtle? The movie doesn’t happen without the purpose of bringing them back their nothing subtle that they could’ve done about that.

[@Kometheus]

That ruined everything for me. Made it so obvious how it would end.

[@Kometheus]

@@madscientist916 RIGHT.

[@princeojr3382]

Xrixten Not really. Everyone knew that the people who were dusted were coming back. You can’t be subtle about something so incredibly obvious. The stakes weren’t centered on if they fail to bring them back. I’m pretty sure everyone with a brain knew that the heroes would win at the end of the day, it’s inevitable. The stakes were actually centered on HOW they were gonna win (what they’d have to give up in order to bring back the dusted and keep the universe safe), hence the reason Natasha and Tony died.

[@jetastronomia8400]

Feels like the final battle of endgame is like a team forgetting the objective and just focused on kills

[@razkable]

not going to lie..if they killed a couple of people off in the final battle it would added stakes...those people would stay dead like hawkeye cough maybe nebula maybe a few others like buckey or groot so thor joining is more needed...this 25 film serial would of been perfect then with real stakes...it would of been worthy of making its money..for sure that way...but nope they ruined it

[@Mysikrysa]

And on posing for Facebook photo like retards. Taking of their helmets in the middle of battle...

[@Helldog6]

Half of the battle is the characters trying to make it through the hoard of enemies with the Gauntlet in order to complete what is actually the objective. Like... you guys don't even make sense.

[@za6604]

@@Helldog6 Not really. Most of the characters are fighting the army while a few individually try to get the gauntlet. They would have all rushed Thanos if they were focused on the objective.

[@kurodo9926]

@@za6604 and get swarmed.. I think this whole argument is shit. We all just have opinions, what you feel doesn't make something true. I love anime fights bc there are so much pure emotions a characters in them. But I'm not gonna ask everyone to do that. That's just different. What doesn't make sense to me or you, makes perfect sense for others

[@Kintaku]

Wow. “You can’t do what a child does with his toys” This is so perfect! When I was explaining to my friends why that big fight was so in-epic to me (as I explained liking Infinity War better), my reasoning was that it felt like the final battles I would do “while playing with my toys as a kid.” *Very* apt description

[@JokeCubed]

My biggest issue with this final battle is: I don't know what the heck Thanos was trying to achieve? Is he just trying to kill the Avengers? If so, just blast them from the sky with his spaceship cannons. Is he trying to get back the Infinity Gauntlet? I feel like the fight comes too late. The good guys have done the saving. They've already altered time and brought everyone forward, so Thanos isn't trying to stop them, so what is he actually trying to accomplish, and why does he need an enormous army to achieve it?

[@Ra-Hul-K]

basically he was just pissed off that his "work" was undone.. so now he wanted to kill everyone so that no one would undo his work.. & start life from scratch again.. 😬 i guess that's what he meant by “I will shred this universe to it’s last atom”

[@agilemind6241]

@@Ra-Hul-K Except it wasn't because he was Thanos of the past who didn't do the snap.

[@Ra-Hul-K]

@@agilemind6241 but he knew that his future version achieved the snap like he always wanted to..

[@sansgamingwastaken]

He wanted to retrieve the Infinity Gauntlet so he could rebuild the galaxy, since the Avengers undoing the snap made him realize that no matter how noble he thinks his cause is, there will always be people too stubborn to not try and reverse it.

[@bluecrood2720]

don't forget that the avengers had all of the stones that he was looking for

[@aravaya]

Doctor strange barely had a fight scene, compared to that epic battle scene in infinity war.

[@rynzlir4414]

Thats because he already had his moment in infinity war

[@haikuya14]

@@rynzlir4414 but we want m o r e he’s like one of the strongest out of the characters like come on its cool to see his powers and not make a water tornado

[@fargo1234]

Doctor Strange in Infinity War: Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange in Endgame: *pLuMbEr*

[@SpFlash1523]

@@rynzlir4414 Even his fight with Thanos in IW wasn't as long as it should've been.

[@marvelismarvelous8987]

I honestly can't even remember doctor strange fighting at all i only remember him coming through the portal and thats it

[@pabliux142]

Honestly, I would have been happy just with the Hulk change. Imagine that going down. him being able to perhaps change the direction of the battle when Thanos has 3 stones, and everyone is wondering what the hell to do, this is happening all over again. A real World Breaker Hulk, that just smashes through everything else like cardboard, and just Thanos with stones and maybe Maw are able to fight back. And then Hulk has to lose somehow, probably with some trickery from reality-stone Thanos, but Hulk manages to somehow provide an opening for the rest of the Avengers. I know everyone wanted to see THE Hulk at some point.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

Or Hulk beats Thanos in World Breaker mode, but he got so angry that other heroes now have to defeat him, in the battle he kills Tony and when he finally snaps out of his rage he sees the destruction he caused and goes into hiding making the future uncertain and giving good reason for next sequels to occur.

[@ryanw9122]

@@AzraelSoulHunter thats wack my man

[@thatsnotgonewellatall5517]

@Bhavya Nayyar his footsteps can break a planet, thanos has stated multiple times he fears the hits of the hulk. Even the beyonder was impressed by the infinite strength. World breaker hulk would annihilate the MCU thanos, and if given the chance give thanos from the comics a run for his money as long as he doesnt have all the stones

[@thatsnotgonewellatall5517]

@@davidcosloff lol Betty ain't even a factor

[@davidnewhart2533]

@Citizen Of The World The movies nerf all the heroes and villains anyways.

[@Jk-pk1oz]

Coming from someone who thought this film was just okay, I think you’re missing the mark here. If you’re going to equal this battle to the Helms Deep one, then you have to acknowledge that it doesn’t start with the portals, but rather with Thanos’ attack on the compound. From that point, you’ll actually find a lot of build-up and shifting dynamics in the battle (compound attack -> Ant Man rescue -> Marvel trio gets their asses kicked by Thanos -> Cap and Mjolnir) with the portals scene being the climax. The real problem with the battle, to me, is something you only quickly touched on. There is no sense of physicality or tangibility to it; it looks like a videogame.

[@canghaiyangfan]

Jordy Ep ummmm, he did say that and said that that part is a really good part of the fight, but build up must pay off is not engaging and wasted

[@DylanLCutshall]

@@canghaiyangfan the build up was iron man snapping his fingers and dies. I feel like it served that great.

[@WhelmedButReady]

I agree Jordy, while you could argue the suspense is almost entirely lost when the final battle is engaged. The full third act is really the final fight sequence TCL was asking for. All the twists and turns and nail-biting action was what happened prior to the portals opening up.

[@Numberblocksismyfav12]

I agree with most of what you said. The “portals” part IS the part of the climax, years of fan service going in that whole sequence. We already saw our heroes die the movie before, we can’t afford to see them die again, and they had win

[@Jk-pk1oz]

CarloMagnoTV yeah, exactly. There’s no problem with doing a victory lap scene as the climax here. Sure it ends with a lot of ‘yang’, but let’s not forget that Infinity War’s final ten minutes is nothing but ‘yin’. Even in that sense, there’s a balance to it all.

[@Jaws_on_Mars]

In regards to "knowing where characters are on the battlefield", they actually did it quite well in Infinity War during the battle in Wakanda! Right after Thor shows up, he immediately begins to proceed laying waste to Thanos' forces and the retreating dropships in the air. They take time to show viewers, "Hey, Thor is up here doing his God things, so he'll be preoccupied in case something detrimental happens right at this moment." And in the next few scenes, that's exactly what happens when Thanos proceeds to wreck the other available Avengers and take the Mind Stone. I'm sure everyone was watching that scene, seeing everyone get absolutely slumped by Thanos and wondering when Thor would get there, so this scene did a great job of balancing yin and yang

[@JoeySaladsShorts]

Good example. The climax of Days of Futures past.

[@captaindeadpool313]

DOFP>>>>>>>Endgame. can't change my mind.

[@bruhbruh4635]

The whole Dr. Strange shenanigans of seeing million versions of the future was made just to force a ''dramatic sacrifice'' as an ending. That's just bad and lazy writing.

[@kbg12ila]

The best X men movies were better than all of the MCU. But.... The worst X men movies were worse.

[@jimjimjim6841]

Can't even remember it. First Class was far more well done.

[@kbg12ila]

@@jimjimjim6841 Disagree strongly. But First Class was also great.

[@soysaucesquared906]

0:07 "Now, just before you hit that dislike button, let's get one thing straight." 11K people: *_no_*

[@DunkIeosteus]

54K people : *hehe*

[@ug333]

Or I watched and disagreed

[@tclturbo2456]

@@ug333 you can disagree without giving the video a dislike. The video is very well made and presents very valid points.

[@soysaucesquared906]

@@ug333 I respect you and your decide to dislike this man's video but it was a _joke_ and I understand that you might not have agreed with the creator's viewpoints.

[@soyboy6156]

@@ug333 why do you disagree? Please counter those fair points with fair points of your own

[@donovan693]

Haven't finished the video yet, so perhaps I'll need to edit this comment, but when you suggest making the final battle a siege where some characters are trying to repair the time machine, while the rest hold back Thanos is almost the exact same situation as Infinity War. The part of the team that's on Earth tries to hold Thanos' forces back and buy time while Shuri tries to remove the stone from Vision's head. I imagine they didn't want the similarity. Still enjoyed the video though! Definitely a bit bold to have a hot take about a film of this magnitude.

[@DanielSlva]

Definitely a very good point and I would like to see his argument over it.

[@Austin-vp6qq]

My issue with them trying to save the van or whatever was that they could have done it LATER! They didn't have to take the stones back in time at that moment. They just needed the stones anywhere but there! I thought that whole goal was just stupid on the writer's part.

[@FearingVirus]

@@Austin-vp6qq For real, when you stop and think about it they could've solved that fight in any number of other ways. Captain Marvel flies the gauntlet through space, Doctor Strange teleports it to a distant planet, they split the stones between several of the fastest allies and all fly off in different directions, etc. The movie acts like getting the stones to the van RIGHT NOW is the only way to keep Thanos from winning, but that doesn't ring true with the actual events and characters present on screen.

[@thelordz33]

Considering Endgame makes Infinity War already irrelevant anyway so they might as well have made the battle good.

[@andrebrito9337]

"Film of this magnitude" It's a stupid blockbuster movie

[@bluenorthgopher7285]

when you said "... and the original 3 avengers, the last line of defence... and Cap kicking his ass with that hammer..." i literally got chills. that`d be SO EPIC fr.

[@aarav7851]

Problem with Endgame's climax is that we knew that avengers were gonna win and all of this is just fan service

[@harshchoudhary9623]

E X A C T L Y

[@CSBrothers]

What more can we expect.

[@michaelcullen7401]

Freaking BETTER than Rise of Skywalker. 😆

[@watchmewhipbruh1095]

Isn't that every climax to every movie?

[@BobOrton7829]

Bruh they realised a Spiderman trailer before the movie was out!

[@phantomfire8228]

The writers of Endgame recently revealed that the final battle for this movie was actually way longer and had its own 3 act structure but they had to cut out most of the footage because it would have made the movie longer.

[@seano1194]

Phantom Fire they better release the full version at some point

[@Xphantomgamer]

It kinda shows that they only cared about showing bombastic mindless mind numbing action instead of heart hitting emotionally packed ending

[@elianwilliams]

Cobra Cinema or you know, they knew people wouldn’t exactly want to go watch a 4-5 hour movie

[@Puppy_Puppington]

Cobra Cinema true. Idk why people wouldn’t want the film to be longer?

[@bookreport101]

Who do they think they are Zack Snyder lol. A longer film. Release the Russo’s cut lol.

[@mtiods]

Don’t defend the woman scene. I agree with most of this but woman scene was dreadfully forced and annoying

[@helplesslylost5903]

100%

[@soup_lover39]

Yes absolutely

[@BonzerMrT]

Honestly it’s not that memorable. And it really wasn’t that long for it to matter.

[@scarlett9750]

If they don’t do it then the feminists will mad.

[@kveld9893]

@@BonzerMrT if it's not memorable why are you still talking about it 2 years later

[@Falconer22]

Five years later and I wanted to thank you for articulating what I could not. I felt...let down, a bit, by the ending fight. It was simply a repeat of every other MCU big fight.

[@Spyrofan35]

The Battle Of Helms Deep Will Never Be Topped

[@TheCloserLook]

Just because something is impossible, that doesn't mean it's not worth trying to do ;D

[@GeraltofRivia22]

I don't know, it has several problems. Like the design of the keep, the tactics used by the soldiers etc.

[@leonhartdragomir8948]

@@GeraltofRivia22 out of curiosity, what battle or war would you give that tops Helm's Deep?

[@wesleyscott1633]

Geralt of Rivia I want to know the other guys question too, and what we’re wrong about the tactics

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@leonhartdragomir8948 I'm not saying there is one. All I'm saying is that it's possible for a better battle to be made since Helms Deep isn't perfect

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

I will say it, LOTR is perfect. All three films are strong with great writing, acting, battles and music. The most solid trilogy of all time.

[@joelchrono]

That's a weird way of saying How to train your Dragon lol

[@swisscheese4327]

Back to the future ?

[@saoirsedeltufo7436]

It’s the most complete trilogy. I prefer individual films of the Dark Knight trilogy but the LotR trilogy is perfect

[@21swords76]

unpopular opinion but I like the godfather 3. Aside from a few problems here and there and Coppola's daughter's "acting", I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10. I'd say as a trilogy it was overall excellent because the first 2 were masterpieces and the third was decent.

[@jayxiong204]

@J C you are missing out. Its a masterpiece go watch it. Its on Netflix now.

[@donjohnson2758]

This is why I like your channel, you don’t just circlejerk what everyone loves or just pile on something everyone hates. You actually give analysis & constructive criticism tbh.

[@yourdogfluffy4914]

Agreed. :{)

[@TrueGamer22887]

Dude no way. The point of a super hero is to inspire hope. It’s not a depressing WW2 story or fantasy story like everything else he compared it to. He made a straw man saying this should be a dreadful battle when that is not the point of the hope superhero’s inspire. This battle isn’t about that or analysing deeper into that. It’s the triumphant return of the hero’s who inspire hope and making it a dark dreadful battle would be terrible

[@yourdogfluffy4914]

@@TrueGamer22887 I disagree. Inspiration comes from overcoming somthing. The feeling of triumph that comes from overcoming a hill is not as impressive as the feeling of conquering a mountain. :{)

[@TrueGamer22887]

Your Dog Fluffy you mean like overcoming 10 years of enemies and a part 1 movie that is integral to this one? Like this wasn’t a trilogy like lord of the rings or the Batman movies or spider man movies it’s the cumulation of a decade of films and shouldn’t be separated from them especially from infinity war. No one is watching this without seeing infinity war. This guy based his whole video on ignoring 10 years of movies and the legit part one of this. This and infinity war might as well be one movie. He made his analysis as if someone went to the finale of a show without watching a single episode

[@yourdogfluffy4914]

@@TrueGamer22887 Again, I disagree. It's because of the prior 10 years of films that the movie payed off so well (*especially* the portal scene), but... it wasn't as exciting as it *could* have been. Take the final battle for example. It's the climatic confrontation that has had *10* *years* of building up to! Yet while it's entertaining... it feels somewhat lacking. All the leading women roles just *happen* to come together while everyone else is who knows where, Captain Marvel could have basically taken out the whole army and Thanos herself (which downplays him severely as a threat), Dr. Strange babysat a waterfall, Black Panther practically only ran, Star Lord was a joke, the armies that came through the portals were strictly background (except the magic shields during the bombardment), half the characters practically had no spot light (Hulk, Groot, Drax [got 2 seconds], Iron Patriot, Rocket, etc), and overall... It wasn't gripping. The battle felt over the moment everyone showed up. The only emotional weight felt was Captain America standing alone, the portal scene, and Iron Man's death. For being the climax of 10 *years* of film... it felt moderately wasted.

[@SRow_Plays_Games]

Its wired how non-violent this fight scene felt 😂

[@swoozie]

Wow. Just wow. No one agreed w/ me. Sending those ppl this vid now. I would just use the comparison to battle of the bastards but this is worded perfectly

[@KamariaHolden]

Oh thanos snaps what up Swoozie!! 🖐🏿

[@JDG-hq8gy]

Where have I seen your name from?

[@DK-gl3ih]

SWOOZIE👍👍🤫🤫😎😎😎

[@jaimelannister1797]

Battle of the Bastards makes no sense. How tf did the Vale army go unnoticed while traveling hundreds of miles north

[@sebastiaankrul2403]

I always find it unbelievable that all the main characters survive such big fights (this is a problem not only endgame has)

[@krorook9221]

Its called plot armor

[@tutorialslave]

10+ named characters should've fallen on that battlefield: Wong, M'Baku, Drax, Hulk, War Machine, Kraglin, Mantis, Korg, Miek, Maria Hill, Valkyrie, maybe even Shuri.

[@lazerxrr]

Plot armor is in every movie my boy. If they died then the movie couldn’t really happen cuz the movie is based around them. And if they didn’t have those unbelievable fight scenes, some of them would be boring.

[@Xxmystic_shadowxX]

The best way to give your hero’s plot armor is to disguise it. I hate it when you can tell someone has plot armor just by watching. They live just because 😒

[@sebastiaankrul2403]

@@Xxmystic_shadowxX *cough* kong in godzilla vs kong

[@NoN-ji5wd]

giANT man punching the ship just felt really satisfying...

[@Jmgjgdjd5]

it's not a ship, it's a living creature

[@Da69expert1]

That was the only cool part of the movie, and I hated the movie.

[@MrHappyface]

It would have been funny if Ant-Man had grabbed a Leviathan & used it to beat another Leviathan.

[@nisseproductions7052]

Da69expert1 ah yes, punching a flying whale was the best part!

[@impulse5674]

Da69expert1 of all the other good moments in endgame you think giant man punching a leviathan was the best part?

[@Cloperella]

Based on this explanation and the comparison to Helm's deep, I feel like this scene could have been saved with a few small but significant adjustments When Thanos first appears, the heroes have no backup. They're up against an overwhelming army that they are struggling not to get killed by, and Thanos doesn't even have to fight, he's just sitting back and watching. Eventually backup does arrive, a number of portals open up, and Dr Strange appears telling us that it's taking a lot of energy to bring so many people here and he needs time to get all of the players on the field. So now there's hope, but it's got the urgency of time running out as not everyone is there all at once. While reinforcements are slowly appearing, one or a few of the B-list heroes get killed by Thanos's army or Thanos himself. It's an extremely tragic moment, and it shows a lot of nearby heroes devastated at the loss. It hurts even more because some of these people just got brought back into existence only to die shortly after. There's also been occasionally some background heroes who don't have a name getting blown up or overwhelmed, so it makes it very clear that this army is a threat and lives are at stake. After one or two deaths, a lot more portals open up and that's the turning point for the heroes. They've already lost a number of allies, and they're resolving not to lose anymore. Then, when Iron Man finally sacrifices himself to end the battle, it hurts even more because even with reinforcements they had to lose the most important asset to the Avengers. They've acheived victory and saved the universe, but there was a multitude of costs in order to get that.

[@jazzyangelflower3344]

"Now, before you hit that dislike button" Over ten thousand people: *Oops* Edit: guys, I really don't care why you disliked the video. I was making a joke.

[@mazarinivmikeoxlong-dedica969]

if they felt badly about it, they would have retracted their dislikes

[@sonja3659]

Over ten shousand fanboys: *TRIGGERED*

[@palsada1166]

I didn't wait. Endgame was freaking awesome

[@hisham031170]

Yeah, those 11k brainless children.

[@jrapattii9941]

@@palsada1166 if you cant see all the wasted things and stupidity of endgames final fight then youre an idiotic fanboy

[@natetai2146]

Infinity War was a story Endgame was a tribute

[@firstlast9846]

I felt like Endgame was the epilogue

[@yatharthjain2273]

First Last nah that’s Spider-Man far from home

[@hazapez126]

@@yatharthjain2273 barely an epilogue.

[@yatharthjain2273]

Victor Bellido ok

[@MitoseNorikoFan]

Infinity War's big fight with the cgi monsters was almost as one-dimensional as Endgame's. Not quite as bad, but still very hallow compared to what we've seen in past cinema or even past mcu movies.

[@Pandamonium2580]

You know I always thought the final battle in this film was underwhelming, now I know why. I’m glad I’m not the only one who realized something felt off

[@arinmcgilvray9945]

Same here

[@matthewnewton8812]

I went back and watched Helms Deep to refresh my memory (it’s been like 20 years) and I think it’s an impossible comparison that you’re trying to make. Helms Deep in LOTR involves only a few individual standout main characters, who direct the battle, and they engage in solo one on one fights that we are privy to throughout the scene but for the most part the armies on both sides are full of no name extras who are there to be told what to do. Also, they are behind a castle wall, which gives the enemy a single obvious goal (get through the wall and overwhelm the defenders) and the heroes a single obvious purpose (defend the civilians). Because of these two facts, the few main characters can orchestrate huge actions involving hundreds of soldiers all working towards the same goal, and in this way the battle can be constructed into one single narrative: the first approach of the enemy, the loosing of the first volleys of arrows in return, the scaling of the castle walls, the repelling of the invaders, the explosion that finally breaches the wall, the enemy’s main charge, the counterattack by Aragorn’s forces, etc. etc. etc. This is all possible because the setting is a castle, and because there are only 4 or 5 main characters who need to get heroic action moments. Contrast that with what’s going on in Avengers: there’s no obvious obstacle for either the enemy or the heroes to overcome- just a mad scramble to find and control the glove- and every single character (like frigging 30 or 40 of them) are contractually required to get their own heroic moments of action. This is obviously going to degenerate into a melee free for all, and I dont think there’s a damn thing the Russos or anyone else could have done to make it more like Helms Deep. It’s an impossible task. I think considering the limitations/challenges of this scene it actually held together extremely well (I know this isn’t what you meant, but the visual continuity is actually astonishing; all of these incredible visuals happening simultaneously and you never lose track of the action, nor your orientation within the battle space; that’s a credit to the visual effects supervisor and the editor).

[@crosstrigger1]

I like your criticism, but your idea at 27:00 onward is basically a rehash of Infinity War's climax just substituting the time machine for the Mind Stone.

[@savannahkrystall2698]

Doc Ido I’m thinking maybe infinity war was part of the problem here? That movie’s climax was so good and felt so much like the end of something, and we lost so many beloved characters. Infinity War had stakes and I suppose it must’ve been so hard to beat

[@josephdocherty7919]

In my opinion, I think Infinity War is actually much better than Endgame.

[@gabrielgattuso0405]

I also agree with his critisism, but in the MCU past does change the future, so 2014 Thanos going to 2023 doest do anything. I still naturally agree though because it makes sense.

[@The_Killah29]

@@gabrielgattuso0405 No it didn't change the future, it just made a timeline where Thanos and his generals just disappeared from the universe at some point in 2014.

[@gabrielgattuso0405]

@@The_Killah29 I must've made a mistake in my comment, what you said is exactly what I meant, so props to you. Thank you, and sorry for the confusion. Edit: I noticed that the does in the beginning is meant to be a doesn't.

[@otohora6537]

Good. You took on the biggest selling blockbuster of all time and made some valid points.

[@nelly9646]

I personally think that the infinity war Iron man/Thanos battle is really good

[@vizualwarrior129]

nelly oh don’t get it wrong by buying into all the hype. Infinity War is the far superior movie when compared to Endgame. Especially the battle on Titan. (the fight you’re referring to) That fight is comparable to The Big 3 fight we get in Endgame (when it’s just Tony, Steve, and Thor against Thanos.)

[@cortedemico]

i watched infinity war and left hollyweird on a high note. i knew they couldn't put lightning in a bottle twice and would suffer joo joo abrahamfistinmyasshole syndrome on this with pretty lens flares... i mean effects/cgi.

[@lopiklop]

@@cortedemico has anyone actually confessed to admiring JJs lens flares?

[@cortedemico]

@@lopiklop so much lens flare i got diabetes...

[@lopiklop]

@@cortedemico acute angular glaucoma

[@erichammer5502]

Great lesson on what went wrong (and right!) with the scene. Very nicely done. Oddly, after all these years, it just occurred to me how strange it is that Captain Marvel didn't put on the gauntlet and use it after picking it up from Spider Man. Sure, everyone else was likely to die if they tried but... I mean really? She is Captain Invincible God and it never occurs to her to use the gauntlet?

[@destructive_thoughts_]

You need to watch it with the "I need a hero" song from Shrek 2, that makes it the most exciting escene ever.

[@joejitsu034]

“From Shrek 2!” 😭 Fuck I’m old.

[@RtistiqSkubie]

You do know the song is older than that movie right?

[@רחלחזן-י1ח]

@@RtistiqSkubie and? Lol

[@RtistiqSkubie]

@@רחלחזן-י1ח so his recommendation as "the song" from Shrek 2 makes it ridiculous as if it were made for that film. That's like my recommending that same song but saying it was from Saints Row 3 "Save Shaundi" mission. You see the issue there?

[@reetihuhtala8675]

@@RtistiqSkubie Except for the fact that the video he's referring to actually contains the cover that was actually made *for* Shrek 2.

[@aultmanfilms4590]

The climax ended after the portal scene for me. Up until then it was hard to tell how the avengers would win but afterwards it was obvious

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

*Fun Fact:* The final battle in Endgame is actually a prediction which depicts the greatest raid in Area 51.

[@crimsonhunter7598]

There should be a movie about that If it happens or if it doesn't happen

[@amanms1999]

Am I the only one who is pissed because the raid was cancelled? 😡😡😡😡

[@paulovinasrocha6166]

@Benny Fair fax they wil keep spamming it until they die

[@АртурАртуров-ф4ю]

This takes me back...

[@Randomcomicsfrommyspinne-xt5kq]

So what's the problem with a big fight scene? We waited ten years for a big bad showdown and got it. It wasn't the climax - it was the build-up to the climax (Tony getting the gauntlet).

[@dungusglumbus9946]

My only problem with this climax is that the movie never draws attention to the fact that Peter Quill has finally returned to Earth, his home planet

[@thesmartonesback2650]

Because the movie is about the original avengers it is about how there stories rap up (thors didn't but the movie gives him a climax to his character arc wich is to instead of trying to be what you think you are meant to be instead find out who you are meant to be). When it comes to ending endgame did it really good.

[@thesmartonesback2650]

To make critics like this get to points of view.

[@rixx46]

I agree - I think it was epic in the same way it would be in a comic - but not in a movie. Not that it wasn't cinematic, but like you, I found it stretching out the inevitable. They had to service all the characters, but the characters did not service the story, which is why they were left with fragmented sidebars and a lack of focus. Capt. Marvel was one of the worst aspects of the movie - she just randomly turns up as Deus ex Marvel for Tony at the beginning, and again (conveniently) at the end. Again you are spot on about the geography issue. One of the most critical aspects of action sequences. I am a screenwriter - I wrote for MacGyver for 3 years back in the 80s - I would often write myself into a corner to force me to think like MacGyver so the solutions to his problems would feel organic and credible. So much of that came out of having to write for the space he was in. Like the Lord of the Rings movies, and (god help me...) The Hobbit, BIGGER is not always better. It all comes down to the foot-long hotdog midset of most Hollywood movies, they go for volume over detail. So many of these movies are just too loud to sleep through.

[@crimsonhunter7598]

So you say miss marvel wasn't good or not enough on screen? What if she was, what if she kicked thanos ass alone, in the beginning and in the end? Everybody would hate that That's why it wasn't done like that

[@rorywhelan_]

How did you get the job as the writer for McGyver?

[@DreadNate9]

Rick Drew unfortunately current movie and tv is controlled by massive corporations that don’t care about the art or fundamentals of story telling and character development. They see popular and want to market. The JJ Abrams philosophy of mystery boxes, mcguffins and bigger is better is the prevailing thought. The fact that big Hollywood thinks that J.J. Abrams is the new Spielberg is a cultural problem. Your exactly right, it’s the foot-long Hollywood mindset. Benioff and Weiss are exceptional adaptors of genius large scale storytelling done by GRRM, but when they had to create on their own using fundamentals and the art of story they crashed and burned leaving a fans dejected, and a corporation struggling to push forward the 5 GOT shows they had planned on.

[@TimeBomb014X]

Honestly the bad structure of the final fight is the least of Endgame's narrative issues, the whole movie past the prologue has no stakes. The whole time travel angle is not properly used, there was no risks of altering the time line, no actual threat impeding their odds of success, and a villain that is shoehorned into the ending just to have a big epic big fight.

[@wwaxwork]

She had to, they made her too powerful then realised she'd throw off the balance of power & remove the tension.

[@anjaflaj]

And just to add to that scene in which "The Big Three" would literally be the last stand: Steve looks at Thor and Tony and says "Together." It would've single handedly shown why they lost in Infinity War. Brilliant video, thank you!

[@albertpop9243]

This scene would have been beyond epic

[@alexpartain325]

The thing they needed to do to make this fight good, is to do the long take of the avengers like the first avengers movie, but instead of just them, its one by one, everyone doing something, every single character. That would have made it amazing

[@Meddyyy]

I honestly wish the beginning part of the final fight between Iron Man, Thor and Cap would’ve lasted much longer. Considering that Thanos was quite literally slapping the three already, maybe they could’ve had each surviving member of the Avengers join in the fight; as much as I love a big ol’ showdown between two big armies like the battle of Wakanda, it was the much more personal and smaller scale (in terms of people involved because the universe was def still on the line lmao) fight on Titan that absolutely stole the show for me.

[@SS-wd5sg]

“Just before you hit that dislike button, hear me out” **15K dislikes**

[@TheRealWoopSlap]

Just saying the title and thumbnail and pretty rude Ngl a lot a work went into it . Also people don't want to watch a 30m vid so yeah what you expect.Tbh it was a pretty good climax but it wasn't a 10/10 climax that's for sure. Infinity war was a 10/10 for sure

[@Sparble]

Marvel fanboys I guess

[@gazzagreen6993]

15k people heard him out, but were already too offended

[@ghiaccio1384]

Marvel kids bruh

[@DeprecatedSC]

Or they just didn't agree after listening to it, that is also a potential, I would just like to point that out

[@saucyyikers3877]

Me watching the movie: "Man this movie is great!" Me after watching this video: *"This fight scene is so empty and bland. It is too repetitive and not exquisite"*

[@Bardoc101]

I would argue that the fight scene isn't the focal point of these scenes. It is the character moments that we are getting with the return of all our heroes. The action is secondary to what the main focus should be, and that is the characters.

[@d00glebear]

Lol same 😂 i never think of these things on my own but it all makes sense

[@eggman5106]

@Nugget i mean it's not standalone, people watch it because they're invested

[@digitalbrentable]

This guy is so self-satisfied. The critiques and suggestions are decent enough, like solid B+ ideas - nothing to jerk yourself off over, very much screenwriting 101 conventional wisdom. Ideas are cheap.

[@aidenshigaraki1998]

this video was wrong to change your mind, im sorry but watch the movie not some guys video, that big battle is up there with other great battles in movies