Rakdos Madness Precon Upgrade Guide I C19 I The Command Zone 282 I Magic: the Gathering EDH

[@anarchond]

You really should at the end show a list of the cards you said should be added and removed

[@oliverwilson6013]

They used to, and also put it in the description. Dunno why they stopped doing it

[@jstawch2608]

@@oliverwilson6013 monetization friends. If they do that people don't watch as much of the video they just skip to the end or read script. KZbin pays them for time watched.

[@andrewreeves2085]

Bone Miser is the same guy from the art of Waste Not, the enchantment that Jimmy was referencing. Awesome flavor win WotC

[@dunamoose3446]

And the stuff he's carrying is inverted, in Waste Not the guy is holding a skull and is carrying a bag of trinkets, in Bone Miser it's the other way around.

[@yepperdeedooda]

I love it when you guys talk about cards like this in detail and have discussions because I think about 90% of the time when I get a card I think it just sucks and I just ignore it, but then you explain it in a different way and then it's like I kind of get it.

[@ionga]

Go to 3:53 if you want to skip the long intro and get right into the deck discussion.

[@ultimateo621]

Caio O P Why would you skip their beautiful singing?

[@TabooX1984]

Thank you VERY much 👍

[@DarkEinherjar]

I'm calling it right now: Wildfire Devils is going to backfire in the next GameKnights, causing Prof. to say the line: "Where are your Lords of Chaos now?"

[@scarrboros]

how can it backfire?

[@pipsdontlie3031]

scarrboros Randomly gives the choice to an opponent with a boardwipe in the gy and you have a board full of creatures? Then again it’s a May so

[@scarrboros]

@@pipsdontlie3031 yeah that is what I'm getting at. Of course you might always hit a graveyard without spells or relevant ones which would feel kinda awkward

[@pipsdontlie3031]

scarrboros Yeah I guess the real pertinent thing is that sure a 4/2 for 4 sucks but its ability can only be upside. It may be pretty meta dependent.

[@Sunaether]

I mean.... Prof totally says this. But not for the reason you said...

[@slackingminotaur8950]

They actually did rather well on that intro there. Im impressed with these goofy dudes.

[@CR-kr9cs]

Slacking Minotaur gets +1/+1 and doesn’t untap as long as KZbin is open.

[@spark1128]

What’s the song ?

[@captaindaddd6055]

@@spark1128 crazy train

[@Mayberrymojo]

Yes, I was patiently waiting for this deck upgrade!

[@CervantesVI]

This wasn't super clear in the video, but if you cast a creature spell using its Madness cost, it will not trigger Flayer of the Hatebound, since it's entering the battlefield from the stack.

[@NimbleSoulThief]

@@1berengan5 No, CervantesVI is correct. Flayer of the Hatebound does not look for discarded cards, it looks for cards entering the battlefield from the graveyard. When you cast a spell using madness, that card never even went INTO the graveyard (it is discarded to exile, then cast using a triggered ability). When it resolves, if it's a permanent spell, it does indeed enter the battlefield from the stack.

[@potatoweaver4116]

We now have 3 of the 4 progenitors of the innistrad vampire bloodlines. Commander 2020 Runo Stromkirk has to happen now. *Game Knights, Anje vs Edgar vs Olivia vs Runo?

[@sethb3090]

Apparently Anje isn't actually the progenitor, so they're an outside chance we could get another legendary Falkenrath someday (according to a blurb they did on her, the progenitor is dead and she's just the strongest of the Falkenrath line).

[@NewOldEBM]

Is Olivia actually the progenitor? I didn't actually read into the inni vampires much! Also that'd be more of a commander VS thing, I don't think GK comes out often enough for them to not do a promo for wizards for a vid now :( Especially with guestisodes and such

[@Andre_Solberg]

I think Edgar is the only progenitor and Olivia and anje are just the oldest and strongest

[@NewOldEBM]

@@Andre_Solberg Well Edgar is THE progenitor, but i think they/we're talking like, the first Vampire that went "yeah well, I'm not a Markov anymore, i'm a Voldaren!" for example. But I'd definitely believe that they're just the current oldest/strongest since isn't even Edgar dead/not around anymore?

[@Andre_Solberg]

@@NewOldEBM I think he's just not active? But yeah, Edgar is THE Vampire on inistrad. Everything else is just descendents

[@fritterdk]

You should have sung "can I play with madness" with iron maiden.

[@echoesvayne9790]

Not enough thumb ups for this

[@metalvisionsongcontest7055]

fritterdk At this point, I'm genuinely surprised no one used Katy Perry's "Dark Horse" yet - "so, you wanna play with Magic?" 😊

[@fritterdk]

@@metalvisionsongcontest7055 so true 😁

[@SorcerySpeedConcede]

On combustible gearhulk: I chose to take the damage once against a marchesa deck. I took 27. It was the three largest creatures in the deck.... I have always let them draw since then.

[@Kurogetsu1]

I've been running that gearhulk in feldon for a long time. It's basically a 3 mana draw 3 in that deck lol

[@sethb3090]

What's the saying? Once burned, twice shy? Also I have a similar combo in a Rakdos deck where I play Temporal Extortion, wait to see if anyone will pay half their life to stop it, then copy it as many times as I can with Increasing Vengeance.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

My friend runs it in his UR eldrazi deck, it's hilarious.

[@CrownTheGame]

Guys you missed some of the good value cards, which aren't that expensive: (1) Faithless Looting (Card draw & enabler) (2) Gamble (tutor & enabler) (3) Totured Existence (reanimation & enabler) (4) Diabolic Intent (tutor & sac outlet) (5) Psychotic Episode (maybe)

[@noxouphe4370]

And Gibbering descent

[@joelmoore3804]

Doesn't faithless looting come with the deck?

[@noxouphe4370]

@@joelmoore3804 nope. It comes with the flashback deck though.

[@joelmoore3804]

@@noxouphe4370 I keep forgetting the flashback deck exists. You're correct, faithless looting would be good in this deck. Insidious dreams might be another good one. Tutor and enabler

[@GPcarbone1]

@@joelmoore3804 Insidious Dreams also has the Chainer flavor text, so flavor win as well

[@jacquesdespadas]

29:27 I had to stop and 👍 because you finally pronounced Viscera Seer correctly!!! History has been made. Also, great job on the upgrades all around. Back to you, Jimmy and Josh.

[@RollieB89]

I played this deck today and I felt something was missing but I couldn't figure it out until now It does a lot of stuff in a turn but when I needed to finish the game the answers weren't there This deck is amazing and when your doing 10 things in one turn and your opponent asks what is going on, you tell them your playing madness and it is pure madness combos

[@faultier1158]

Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion & Archfiend of Ifnir seem great additions to this deck, too! Neheb discards a bunch of cards and gets you the mana to pay for the madness triggers (or to play another big thing, like a Finale of Eternity). It also lets you easily pay for lots of Faith of the Devoted triggers and drain everyone for like 14. Animate Dead is also solid inclusion. It's just good. Also, I love your content. :) Have good week!

[@hagenziegelitz3712]

Love your videos, but as someone who is new to EDH, I would prefer it, if you put the "replacement cards" into the video description :)

[@killa4funtrololol]

WoW no archfiend of ifnir? Kinda boardwipe on a creature!

[@bartoszpisiak8967]

Was one of my first picks when I saw the deck.

[@mrbreeze3954]

I will add it to the deck for sure, it's way too much value for me to pass on

[@gemkid85]

They mentioned it in the last video, so maybe this was filmed right after that?

[@andrewpaul1030]

Kokusho, the Evening Star

[@andrewvirtue5048]

Sad Robot? Look at that art work man. It's now the *Mad Robot*

[@Kodalith]

I've taken to calling the new art Darth Robot.

[@ultimateo621]

The other Legendaries in this deck are actually cards that you would want in this deck

[@pipsdontlie3031]

Beurt Alvarez I’d cut Greven not because he’s bad but because he’s just not quite synergistic enough. K’riik is going into my Yawgmoth deck so I can kill myself quicker and because it’s a flavour win and much better in Mono black.

[@ultimateo621]

Galvanized Gamer I’m not saying that you wouldn’t cut them in an optimal build, just that they all have synergy (K’riik doesn’t, but he is just completely and utterly busted). Compare that to the other pre cons.

[@UBBADUBBADANG]

Pretty excited. Was building a madness/discard deck to play with friends after opening "Glint horn Buccaneer". Excited to get more support/shell for a deck mid build.

[@robertshuff3569]

I think war of the spark Neheb is an essential pick up for this deck

[@iudexumbra609]

Grave Upheaval. It's mana fixing and recursion. Also, I did have a casual 60 phoenix tribal deck. EVERY time I played it, I was up against life gain. Man it lost hard to life gain. It was fun though.

[@Father_Gaben4223]

Bloodthirsty Blade can get rid of an oracle of Muldaya or other similar utility creatures

[@jakebrodowski9]

Some other good budget upgrades if you are running Anje. Creeping Dread .50$ Necrogen Mists 3-4$ Cunning Lethemancer 3$ Sire Of Insanity 1-2$ Bog Witch 2-3$ Cryptbreaker 4-5$ Jaya Ballard Task Mage 2$ Last One Standing 2$ Malfegor 1$

[@dustinhurley5724]

Archfiend of Ifnir should definitely be in there.

[@joelmoore3804]

I agree

[@andrewpaul1030]

Kokusho, the Evening Star

[@emmanuelmadail]

I had actually built an Olivia, Mobilized for War Madness deck, and a fun include was Etali . Giving it haste with Olivia, or with Anger in the graveyard is awesome. Now, with the new Chainer, there's an additional way to grant it haste. Looking forward to that. Also recommend Stolen Strategy. Really adds to the whole chaos theme of Madness.

[@pvoss07]

I really like Olivia, Mobilized for War for this deck!

[@bledacansadkogullar7314]

yeah, that is a pretty choice. actullay when i saw "Anje Falkenrath ", what i thought was madness vampires deck and put "Olivia, Mobilized for War", "Falkenrath Gorger" and "Stensia Masquerade" in it. (some innistrad (SOI) guy passing trough)

[@DarkEinherjar]

My most hilarious situation with Chaos Warp: I shuffled my Oblivion Stone in, only to flip Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre! :D This was about turn 5, by the way.

"Hey everyone, we have this creature version of Waste Not, what do we call it?" "Bone Miser" **Looks around**

[@sankethbhaskar4236]

Want Not...er

[@jackhamilton3480]

For some reason I’m imagining a Death and Misery version of the Snow Miser/Heat Miser song.

[@pielord33321]

@@jackhamilton3480 I'm mister recycle, I'm mister rot. I'm mister grave tiller, I'm mister living but not. Friends call me bone miser! Whatever I touch turns to sludge in my clutch! I'm too much!

[@SoundScienceMediaWorks]

Magus of the waste

[@VampiricGamess]

Heat Miser and Snow Miser are coming next!!

[@Wreck1990]

The best upgrade is to get rid of the red and go full black with K'rrik as the commander and Tutor for Aetherflux, Gravecrawler, and Carrion Feeder.

[@R3C0NSPARTAN]

@ is that a quote from something?

[@R3C0NSPARTAN]

@ nice, it reads like flavor text

[@aidanwright3037]

I've built a madness deck before, and the suggestions your making aren't how you build a madness deck. The way my deck would always play out is I would get out my enablers (usually Olivia's Dragoon, or Rotting Regisaur) and essentially cascade my hand onto the battlefield. Madness synergizes beautifully with hell-bent, and whenever I played Bloodhall Priest was one of the most potent cards on the battlefield. The commander I used at the time was Olivia, Mobilized for War.

[@fearanarchy]

But when your commander is better at Madness than most other enablers... You don't need much else

[@RadicalSquidward]

Falkenrath Gorger feels like it could be really good here.

[@nymher0788]

As much as people hate it, a Worldgorger loop would be a decent way to win. Easy ways to draw Animate Dead, and dump the Worldgorger Dragon

[@MrEvanBacon]

Bought this deck yesterday. Played it vanilla and won. Now looking to upgrade

[@Jordares]

Casting a creature for its madness cost, Doesn't it technically come from the exile? So flayer of the hate bound won't trigger,

[@FrostJarl]

Yes, and even if it were from the graveyard it still wouldn't trigger because it's being cast, coming off the stack and not directly from the graveyard.

[@FrostJarl]

@George Ricketts correct, because they enter from exile

[@chillfoster5905]

Just so I understand this correctly - cards like Victimize and Blood for Bones would trigger it?

[@FrostJarl]

@@chillfoster5905 You would be right, those cards would trigger, as would undying/persist, rise of the dark realms, and cards like zombify

[@Vauxedaux]

@24:35 red is for +2 and haste black is for the return thing

[@leovaeg]

yeah, its basically a Split card with "auto-fuse" if you spend both Colors

[@novrdd]

That jimmy's princess mononoke shirt makes me jealous.

[@jasoniorio4528]

Eschewing goodstuff-ery (Vndalblast, PhyRena, etc.), here are my thoughts: 3. Azra Oddsmaker - recurring discard + cards 2. Hazoret's Monument - cost reduction + free rummaging 1. Oversold Cemetery - Squee is that good? How about that effect for everything?

[@tmakalpha1]

There's the possibility of playing vampire subtheme with Falkenrath Gorger, which gives all vampires madness.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Building around that creature is so vad though because you have to get it out of the 99.

[@vanzero356]

@@TheMightyBattleSquid that's what tutors are for, something black does quite well

[@wafflingon2651]

I'm personally gonna add Azra Oddsmaker, since it gives me the option of discarding every turn- a good backup for when Anje's not on the field.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Bontu's Monument and Hazoret's Monument are also interesting additions: both reduce your creatures' costs and one is an alternate wincon while the other fits the draw and discard theme of the deck perfectly.

[@llamainyamama3088]

I respect this intro 100%. We need more of this.

[@kenshinuchiha3410]

I kind of want covers

[@kenshinuchiha3410]

Some of the intros are good

[@gatoval]

I´m pretty sure you guys just sparked a sudden, if probably short lived, interest in Phoenix tribal searches in edhrec

[@thesp1r1tdragon55]

I don't think you should cut madness cards even if they're bad because with your commander they're just free deckslots. If you run like 30 madness cards even if they're super situational and you don't cast them in 99% of the times you discard them you still basically play a 69 card deck now because you can just discard them and get a new card for no cost with your commander. And a 69 card deck is just way more consistend than a 99 Card deck

[@DarkEinherjar]

Living Death can also be an emergency board wipe that bypasses indestructible, if graveyards are empty or what's in the opponents' graveyards is less dangerous than what they have on the battlefield...

[@vasylpark2149]

This is the deck I'm most excited about black, red and black white are my favorite color pairs. I built a judith the scourge diva deck and it destroys. I'm one of those that want to build mono red pheonix tribal not sure how though.

[@me12345635]

I would have went with "Can I play with Madness?" By Iron Maiden instead, considering its the madness deck.

[@mrbreeze3954]

that would fit perfectly

[@mtgice1799]

Love that song and was thinking the same thing!

[@DerikB]

How is Bloodthirtsy Blade not one of the top 5 new cards of the set?! it is effectively non-removal threat removal. It co-opts a threat potentially forcing it to suicide itself or deal damage to an opponent, and at any time on your turn you can reuse the effect for 1 mana! Granted, there is not specific synergy with the deck, but 3 mana (cast 2, attach 1) for a reusable removal/interactive artifact is a steal. The ability to take the scariest non-hexproof creature on the board and say "point this at anyone but me". and to have that effect just stick around is incredible. The effected player won't likely care that much, to want it gone early game, and the other players will likely point creature removal at the big thing rather than remove the artifact. Outside this deck, this is huge with cowardice/dismiss into dream in blue.

[@cincill1]

Played a tournament with the new decks and made someone die by commander damage with bloodthirsty blade.

[@micheal5973]

Havnt finished the vid or even seen the decklist. But I’ve already pulled some cards just for this deck. Glint horn buccaneer. The Minotaur that when you discard a card pings everyone for one. Psychosis crawler as another one Archfiend of ifnir cause it’s archfiend of ifnir Volcanic visions and another enchantment forget the name. One turns your lands in hand into shocks and the other gives all lands cycling Bag of holding, shadow of the grave and garna the blood flame which let you cycle through your deck again. Couple of the cards from amonkhet which become big threats and have to soak up removal or risk one shoting someone. Just replace the non madness cards with cheap madness creatures from inistrad and the decks gonna be broken op and so much fun that will grab you all your combo pieces early

[@fearanarchy]

*Rules Lawyer* Flayer of the Hatebound is a non-bo with Chainer. On scryfall.com it states that CASTING has the card come from the Stack therefore NOT the Graveyard. Madness is cast from EXILE. I personally am more confused now as it seems they may be confusing new players since this looks to do what you want, but actually does not *technically the Undying EtB will give it haste, but Chainer does not get the Warstorm Surge effect going from the Castings.

[@fearanarchy]

Chainer makes Etali, Neheb Dreadhoarde, Ilharg, and basically all the fun red legendaries better as he gives them Double chances of surviving (recast) and haste is always what Neheb needed to be solid. Neheb pairs well with K'rrik in BR as Neheb handles the R and K'rrik the black in a cost. Just a shockingly good synergy.

[@trentsims]

Blasphemous Act is still easily one of the best board clears in red and it is only about $4 right now.

[@jeremywigington6176]

I'm going to comment this on each of these videos. Include a few non-budget upgrades that are deck specific (ie. we don't need to know that Damnation is good in a black deck).

[@baynerman2274]

Thank you for finally pronouncing viscera properly. Vis-sir-uh. Well done lads, well done.

[@tinosdragatsis]

I appreciate what you all are doing. Can't wait to see the new Game Knights. Keep up with all the good work!

[@Sagemastar]

Library of leng, in the wording of the card, the cards you discard are still - by definition - discarded and since it will go to the top of your library you draw it back with the commander add in cards that ping opponents when you either draw or discard cards and you instantly win

[@noxouphe4370]

It doesn't work like that. In the case of Anje discarding a card isn't an effect, but a cost, so it won't trigger library of leng.

[@Sagemastar]

@@noxouphe4370 hm, thanks for the rule info

[@TabooX1984]

Re 29:30 Mascara Seer Vampire, Emo Sacrifice 2 Host Creatures: Rage quit target commander game. 😄 🤟

[@evileyeball]

I think Wizards messed up by making Rakdos Madness because the best madness cards ever printed are in Green and blue.... I want me some Basking Rootwalla

[@prolocutor.]

also chainer says 'activate this ability only once EACH turn' so like kadena, you can mess around with flashing stuff in using madness. (because madness lets you cast it at any time)

[@BackyardRonin]

20:58 Mitch from commanders quarters: hold my beer

[@anemone3777]

Honestly by putting MORE bad madness cards in the deck rather than less you are able to more effectively chain draws and build a huge graveyard while sifting through your library at sufficient velocity. Although it does get very degenerate and combo based, that sort of higher end deck that sits better with the earlier episodes of game knights than the latest.

[@AcediaRex]

Glint-Horn Buccaneer from M20 is great in this deck. It’s a 2/4 creature for 1RR which deals 1 damage to each opponent whenever you discard a card. It has haste and can loot when it attacks. And it’s currently only $0.25.

[@codelicious6590]

I thought about just slotting K'rrik in to replace Ob of the Black Oath from C14 and just play it right out the box as is!

[@DarkEinherjar]

Depending on how many creatures are in the deck, isn't Garna, the Bloodflame, a potential good addition to the deck? She gets back creature cards that you discarded and also gives haste to your other creatures.

[@Jiilaal95]

You can put more creatures and would be very cool.

[@tomhiggart]

Hate mirage is should of been in the populate deck. Making a token of someones commander and populating making a permanent copy could be fun.

[@faultier1158]

It actually is in the populate deck, too, as far as I know!

[@shogun452]

Azra Oddsmaker is an awesome madness enabler and card draw engine if you have creatures that can consistently connect.

[@Grimsfable1244]

Just got this deck as my first deck thanks so much for letting me get a better plan

[@usernamemalfunctioning6768]

Aeon Engine is basically soft-banned in my playgroup, so it was the easiest cut I had to make. Ghitu Chronicler works wonders in the deck, especially with Chainer, making it a repeatable source of spell recursion

[@ellisgriffin668]

I expected you guys to go in more of a discard theme, with cards like archfiend of ifnir, but you mad lad took a graveyard theme. Ive never done a graveyard-focused deck and this just might be my first

[@shae7168]

Flayer of the Hatebound doesn't work off of Madness. Madness reads: "If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard." You're casting it from exile, so Flayer doesn't care.

[@paulsalterego8700]

Btw Aeon Engine makes total sense in the deck as a political tool and allows you to get a turn one turn later after it untaps. Remember that this deck excels late game, so having cheap tools (CMC wise) that allow you to sick your opponents on each other are welcome. Bloodthirsty blade keep Voltron decks off you, which can kill out of nowhere pretty early.

[@bradensorensen966]

There should be madness lands that can be cast when discarded for an additional cost.

[@johnbixbybixbyking5007]

Lands are not cast

[@travislannoye8244]

Mire in Misery would be infinitely more playable if it just read "Choose one: Each opponent sacrifices a creature, or each opponent sacrifices an enchantment", even if it would break the color pie...

[@nebulous4155]

The color pie got broken a while ago.

[@loganestes2841]

I bought this deck when it was released, Rakdos is my favorite Guild. I went more toward the Madness theme.

[@UnremarkableFleshbag]

In case you are like me and didn't jot down a list the first time through the video, I went ahead and took notes for you. Just please be sure to still watch the full video for the fellas' commentary, since they put the time in to make this for us. Adds: 1) Balthor the Defiled ~ {2}{B}{B} ~ Legendary Creature - Zombie Dwarf 2) Living Death ~ {3}{B}{B} ~ Sorcery 3) Torrent of Souls ~ {4}{B/R} ~ Sorcery 4) Victimize ~ {2}{B} ~ Sorcery 5) Wretched Confluence ~ {3}{B}{B} ~ Instant 6) Anger ~ {3}{R} ~ Creature - Incarnation 7) Murderous Redcap ~ {2}{B/R}{B/R} ~ Creature - Goblin Assassin 8) Combustible Gearhulk {4}{R}{R} ~ Artifact Creature - Construct 9) Viscera Seer ~ {B} ~ Creature - Vampire Wizard 10) Ashnod's Altar ~ {3} ~ Artifact Cuts: 1) Skyfire Phoenix ~ {2}{R}{R} ~ Creature - Phoenix 2) Bloodhall Priest ~ {2}{B}{R} ~ Creature - Vampire Cleric 3) Wildfire Devils ~ {3}{R} ~ Creature - Devil 4) Alchemist's Greeting ~ {4}{R} ~ Sorcery 5) Hate Mirage ~ {3}{R} ~ Sorcery 6) Mire in Misery ~ {1}{B} ~ Sorcery 7) Hedonist's Trove ~ {5}{B}{B} ~ Enchantment 8) Key to the City ~ {2} ~ Artifact 9) Aeon Engine ~ {5} ~ Artifact 10) Bloodthirsty Blade ~ Artifact - Equipment

[@Commander_Skullblade]

The thumbnail is a JoJo reference... Stand Name: Game Knight Stand User: Josh Lee Kwai Stand Name: Lord of Chaos Stand User: Jimmy Wong

[@ultimateo621]

Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda

[@Tsuna_SoulSilver]

Wha-

[@fartface8918]

Yes

[@Commander_Skullblade]

I, Jimmy Wong, have a dream A dream to get my lands

[@krvys7226]

Next thing Josh is going to say is "You going to pay for smothering tithe?" Josh: "You going to pay for smothering tithe?...NANI!"

[@theevileyeduelist8144]

Vicious Shadows would be great in this deck and as a bonus it's a budget friendly card.

[@TheFixer710]

Blue oyster cult madness to the method woulda been decent but Ozzy Osbourne crazy train is good

[@joshwalker8984]

Can I play with Madness by Iron Maiden?

[@DarkEinherjar]

I knew Balthor would be in the in list. :D

[@GermanGoodGuy]

Tortured Existence and Phyrexian Reclamation are solid cards in a deck like this. My Malfefor deck plays a lot like this deck and it often just steals games out of nowhere. Chainer, Bone Miser and some of the Madness cards will be added into Malfegor for sure.

[@jonunciate7018]

I'm still testing the deck but I think it is worth it to cram every single madness card in it. There are 40 that are commander legal.The trick is to rarely ever cast the cards that you are discarding. Because of her rummage ability, you basically turned your 99 into 59. . That's a lot more potential consistency. Other than Gibbering descent at around $4, the madness cards are all super cheep to buy so this could be a great budget commander. Spend a little on madness "deck thinning" and then splurge a bit on a few win cons. 18 of the madness cards are creatures, making cards like Living Death much more effective, especially if Flayer of the Hatebound was in that graveyard or on the battlefield without a counter too.

[@JAG19d]

I wish you guys would do a “no budget” upgrade video for these decks. It seems everyone does budget videos now and when we have the deck at a stable place and want to upgrade, it would be nice to have a resource to reference for upgrading even if it’s one card at a time.

[@aarong2606]

Just a reminder, flayer of the hatebound is a nonbo with living death. Won't cause it to trigger, still worth the living death but by no means a win con. Balthor is tho!!

[@krvys7226]

To people who need clarification as to why: living death has you exile the cards in yard first. Meaning they are not coming directly from yard to board.

[@lordandy317]

So, on the topic of board wipes, Blasphemous Act is a great Board wipe in Red that actually is affordable for everyone, with the precons and looking at them, most of them are going wide, and Blasphemous Act just works, as well as In Garruk's Wake, which is one-sided glory all for the cost of 9 mana. These two cards are cheap, fantastic in the deck, and honestly worth the price. Crypt Incursion is a cheap source of life gain, all for your opponent(s) putting creatures in their yard so you can exile them! 3 life per Creature for B2 is just amazing, and a valuable resource to stop any other deck from just ruining everyone's day.

[@dominicsevilla1189]

Preordered it with my CK credit before it went up to 44.99. Madness was my favorite deck i ever played in SOI/EMN standard.

[@envysart797]

I’m pretty much inclined to just go ham and build this as a Chainer deck, it seems really sweet to me. As for cards with Anje- dunno. Smuggler’s copter maybe? That 3 mana madness vampire from innistrsd that sacrifices creatures?

[@Ammuze11]

11:46 Not only was there a card that did almost that exact same thing, it had the "Bone Miser" creature in the art as well. Waste Not (1)B Enchantment Whenever an opponent discards a creature card, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token onto the battlefield. Whenever an opponent discards a land card, add BB to your mana pool. Whenever an opponent discards a noncreature, nonland card, draw a card. gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=383436

[@TheCKT10gaming]

Does Flayer of the Hatebound trigger on madness cards? I thought madness cards went from the hand to exile then to play.

[@HamfistedPig]

DeadAccount You’re right, they’re not cast from grave so it does not trigger sadly

[@TheCKT10gaming]

James Taylor Thanks just wanted to make sure it worked the way I thought it did.

[@arthurhasted]

@@HamfistedPig Flayer also does not trigger when casting a creature from the graveyard because it is put on the stack first unfortunately. gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?multiverseid=262853

[@jeremywigington6176]

regardless of if it technically enters from the stack, Madness cards are exiled when they are discarded and are never actually in the graveyard if you choose to cast them.

[@arthurhasted]

@@jeremywigington6176 yes but I was just referring to casting creatures from the graveyard such as with new chainer

[@heinousrat9019]

jimmy, torrent of souls brings back a guy if black is spent and pups/hastes if red is spent.

[@QuestionMarc]

I would definitely ditch Murderous Redcap and Torrent of Souls for Gray Merchant of Asphodel ($1) and Phyrexian Reclamation ($3.50). These two cards should be incredible in here, especially together!

[@GrandpasMagic]

on Torrent of Souls ..... if black mana is spent, you get a creature from your gy to your field...... and if red is spent creatures target player get +2/+0 and haste

[@LucasAlbelo]

I bought the 4 decks cuz it was amazing stuff all the command zone videos, but i don't have even the group to play with! :D hahah

[@buddhathegod]

If you're not playing extort with K'rrik, why would you even play K'rrik

[@chillfoster5905]

Buddha B My thoughts exactly - buying this deck just to make that deck haha

[@nightowlyt5570]

Chill Foster same I am buying this precon just for my krrik deck because I need krrik

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

I'm going voltron lol

[@RavnArmanson]

I got this deck to get into commander. It is a little low in power and figuring out the most solid win con for it is hard. I'm waiting for my Falkenreath Gorger to come in, cause that just makes all creatures have madness, which I really like

[@weslawrence888]

I Fury Storm'd a Chaos Warp for 4 copies. They got 3 of the the things back... I was furious. So the name of the storm checks out.

[@samarbrander981]

I like to play haakon stromgald scourge and nameless inversion in any deck with a discard outlet and black in its identity

[@adambarkman1326]

I actually would have gone with Olivia, Mobilized for War as she's another vampire that has some flavour with Anje has a discard ability that gets your creatures haste to combo with Anje and you've just got this whole cool thing going on.

[@jackthomas4535]

I just realized that Rhythm of the Wild + any undying creature just makes all those undying creatures invincible + minus counter proof. Might make a fun deck...

[@Amarukseta1]

I'm actually the phoenix tribal player D: , the commander is the Neheb from war of the spark and i dont know if any legendary phoenix will ever be as synergetic :/

[@PotatoGuidanceMissle]

The First Firehawk - 3RR Legendary Creature - Phoenix Haste, Flying, First Strike Whenever The First Firehawk dies, discard any number of cards and draw that many. Then, each Phoenix creature card in your graveyard gains, "At the beginning of combat on your turn, return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield." 5/4

[@Rich2799]

You guys should update that card kingdom graphic. I wish I had ordered those decks when they were only $134.99

[@josetaylor7954]

Rich2799 same, I was looking at it and I was trying to find where I can get it the cheapest, I hope when it releases it is only 40$