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What does it take to make an empire stand the test of time? This episode we give you our 10-card budget upgrade recommendations to make the “Elven Empire” Kaldheim precon into a deck that can duke it out with “real” commander decks with only $25 worth of changes.
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@JD-ly7sq
@JD-ly7sq 3 жыл бұрын
Cards to Add 38:04: Ezuri, Renegade Leader Elvish Champion Wirewood Symbiote Skemfar Avenger Birchlore Rangers Elvish Dreadlord Golgari Charm Elvish Harbinger Mind Slash or Vampiric Rites Perilous Forays Cards to Cut 54:19: Elvish Rejuvenator Eyeblight Cullers Cultivator of Blades Jaspera Sentinel Masked Admirers Tergrid’s Shadow Harvest Season Timberwatch Elf Voice of Many Twinblade Assassins
@Red0991
@Red0991 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listing that for us. You the real mvp
@dashallfaria7890
@dashallfaria7890 Жыл бұрын
thank you bro saved me an hour
@jessicadaley623
@jessicadaley623 10 ай бұрын
Thank you hahaha
@austinvonjohnson9307
@austinvonjohnson9307 3 жыл бұрын
I think people focus way too hard on Harvest Season’s “get 10 lands” potential. Tap 3 mana dorks and get three lands.
@dorsalfin22
@dorsalfin22 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. You should compare it to cultivate not how it pairs with one card in your deck (Lathril in this case). This is an ELF deck. So many Mana dorks. All you need is 2 and it's better than a cultivate since cultivate puts one into your hand. That is such an easy threshold. They are way underselling this card here. Everything else is fine though
@Kaiser-S0ul
@Kaiser-S0ul 3 жыл бұрын
Hard agree. Don't get me wrong it has a bad floor (Does nothing) but even just casting it with two tapped creatures (green loves dorks) it's a great ramp spell.
@unfairjarl
@unfairjarl 3 жыл бұрын
Which I mean is already a damn good rate
@artbykaleb9527
@artbykaleb9527 3 жыл бұрын
I've gotten 13 in a turn off it. I still have it in the deck because as long as long as you survive one more turn, the extra lands might be enough to dump your hand and win
@chevysupreme
@chevysupreme 3 жыл бұрын
gonna be building this precon into jund elves while running tyvar kell so I MAY run harvest season but it feels win more
@420Deadshot
@420Deadshot 3 жыл бұрын
These decks straight out of the box are a real improvement over the past ones, which is good and somehow strange.
@Matisyahuwu
@Matisyahuwu 3 жыл бұрын
And cheaper right?
@420Deadshot
@420Deadshot 3 жыл бұрын
@@Matisyahuwu yeah
@caligo7918
@caligo7918 3 жыл бұрын
not that strange. These precons are focused on a single gameplan. The expensive ones come with 3 potential commanders and therefore at least two gameplans, so they lack focus but give you more ways to personalize the deck. Price policy is whacky though...
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@TsunamiTDMK
@TsunamiTDMK 3 жыл бұрын
This one specifically actually runs really well in comparison with even some of the precons. I played it against the other kaldheim precon and some strixhaven ones and it was just unfair lol
@anthonyolimpio3545
@anthonyolimpio3545 3 жыл бұрын
You guys should do an episode on cards you don't agree with each other on, or theories within magic.
@W-mans26
@W-mans26 3 жыл бұрын
Or a story episode, would love that
@memestg747
@memestg747 3 жыл бұрын
Totally
@wafflesonfire9716
@wafflesonfire9716 3 жыл бұрын
The easiest part of tweaking a deck: putting cards in. The hardest part: taking cards out
@williambrown5934
@williambrown5934 3 жыл бұрын
Saying taking cards out being “hardest” feels like an understatement lol.... Sometimes I really want to put some card in but..... For the life of me, I can’t find a card I want or am willing to take out... Oof.
@thewickedzaku
@thewickedzaku 3 жыл бұрын
Every deck I make thats over 60 cards.
@thewickedzaku
@thewickedzaku 3 жыл бұрын
@@williambrown5934 how about putting and keeping cards just cuz it looks cool. Like I used to run devouring strossus (might be misspelled) a 9/9 with flying trample and sacrifice. Its a giant black creature with wings, red eyes and a gas mask. Being chained and dragged around by a bunch of elves it looks like. Pretty wicked looking.
@thiagokareem7045
@thiagokareem7045 2 жыл бұрын
I guess im randomly asking but does anyone know a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I was dumb forgot the login password. I appreciate any tricks you can give me.
@rudyjunior8425
@rudyjunior8425 2 жыл бұрын
@Thiago Kareem Instablaster =)
@Chulp_75
@Chulp_75 3 жыл бұрын
I will say, I do actually like Timberwatch Elf in this deck. I think it works very well with the commander and may be worth keeping in.
@matthewbeasley7425
@matthewbeasley7425 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Timberwatch was the only "take out" card I disagreed with. I've been playing with the deck and the power buff is so ridiculous that it's worth the fact it's telegraphed. Being a tap ability synergizes with the other untappers they suggested. I would take out the Soul Jar instead. Too slow and janky for reanimation
@chadrymoncordova2964
@chadrymoncordova2964 3 жыл бұрын
Agree, early in the game maybe turn 4 this works very well with Lathril since she has menace and usually 1 of your 3 opponents has only 1 creature in play this can atleast create you 4 tokens. But we play casual so may not be the same to your play group
@kodyvicknair9034
@kodyvicknair9034 3 жыл бұрын
also agree. even tho its telegraphed, it becomes such a target which will take some aggro off of your other key elves. plus its an elf body in place of an instant combat trick for cards that care about the number of elves you control. not to mention its synergy with cards like marwyn, the nurturer
@SessionSakic
@SessionSakic 3 жыл бұрын
It can also be used politically as well, and if an opponent attacked another opponent you could buff a creature to do more damage.
@kodyvicknair9034
@kodyvicknair9034 3 жыл бұрын
@@SessionSakic didn’t even consider its political possibilities. Could make an evasive creature an opponent swings with lethal
@thiefofhyrule8000
@thiefofhyrule8000 3 жыл бұрын
Such a great little brother deck. Anyone with a kid brother/sister trying to get into magic, this is powerful, easy to understand, and jumps through a lot of hoops necessary for a beginner to get a grasp on things. I just wish my little bro liked magic lol. Cheers.
@elipetrou9308
@elipetrou9308 3 жыл бұрын
Rip, my brother has a magic gambling addiction, and he finally has started to play the game after I made him a really good scarab good deck
@pierre220199
@pierre220199 3 жыл бұрын
Catch him and force it xD
@michellecrist8399
@michellecrist8399 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. My twins are 5 and love playing this deck
@darylarmentrout252
@darylarmentrout252 2 жыл бұрын
I taught my young neighbor MTG though I hadn’t played since Ice Age now he’s old enough to beat all my Pre-Ice age jewels and I’m building this deck back up just to stay in the game 😎
@johnfraney4268
@johnfraney4268 3 жыл бұрын
JLK tries so valiantly to look left, but any time Jimmy says something, his eyes pop back over. Great television.
@seeker38
@seeker38 3 жыл бұрын
Aaand now I can't unsee it.
@FutureOverYou
@FutureOverYou 3 жыл бұрын
Are they sitting like across the room?
@Scriibble4
@Scriibble4 3 жыл бұрын
@@FutureOverYou yee
@gregallan4291
@gregallan4291 7 ай бұрын
Why didn't they swap the portraits 🤣
@gordo262
@gordo262 3 жыл бұрын
Joraga Warcaller + Immaculate Magistrate would be a great addition.
@namiotp
@namiotp 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly think Harvest Season is fine so long as I get 2 or more off it and this deck does that all the time with a couple Llanowar Elves for instance. I think people focus too hard on getting that 4+ god search and think it’s bad if it doesn’t do that (like, Cultivate is a good card guys lol).
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@_cephalotus4187
@_cephalotus4187 Жыл бұрын
Especially when you added Birchlore Rangers before!
@Hadeswarhead
@Hadeswarhead 3 жыл бұрын
Jimmy: "we can both be número uno." My brain: ONLY ONE MAY STAND!
@liuckamartinkus1962
@liuckamartinkus1962 3 жыл бұрын
I think they whould be called "Set Commander Precons, because they are paired to mechanics and flavour of sets they are based on.
@DeliciousMorsels
@DeliciousMorsels 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree! "Mini" precon just never sounds right when they say it and always implies you're getting less than a full Commander deck. I guess the argument against "Set deck" is that C20's precons were based around Ikoria but I call bullshit on that because C20 is still referred to as C20 and not "Ikoria Commander". The yearly releases will still always be referred to by the year they release regardless if they're tied to a set or not.
@cadenbelcher3105
@cadenbelcher3105 3 жыл бұрын
I would agree if the apparent plan for the full CMDR sets from now on wasn't also tied to the sets
@liuckamartinkus1962
@liuckamartinkus1962 3 жыл бұрын
@@invertedname3099 that is true
@rockandrolljew89
@rockandrolljew89 3 жыл бұрын
The new animation for "Stats" was spicy. Props to whoever made that.
@katierumlock6645
@katierumlock6645 3 жыл бұрын
“Cultivate is kind of the most played card in the format.” Sol Ring: I beg to differ
@chrisgould101
@chrisgould101 3 жыл бұрын
Storm crow: hi guiz
@joeferreti9442
@joeferreti9442 3 жыл бұрын
Some people don't like to play with "Sol Ring".
@chrisgould101
@chrisgould101 3 жыл бұрын
Sil ring should be banned
@rodgerlang884
@rodgerlang884 3 жыл бұрын
@@joeferreti9442 Sure, but that doesn’t change that it’s the most played
@joeferreti9442
@joeferreti9442 3 жыл бұрын
@@rodgerlang884 If a number of people don't play it but almost all play Cultivate, then Sol Ring is not the most played.
@ericfletcher7046
@ericfletcher7046 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate how much time they take every episode to talk about their team. It would be easy to just prerecord something and play it every time, but they make a special effort to make sure everyone is recognized.
@kitchenfink428
@kitchenfink428 3 жыл бұрын
josh's reactions to the cards getting cut are so classic. you can just see how disgusted he is that these cards were included in the first place.
@shigjetar
@shigjetar 3 жыл бұрын
Just got this deck and played it three times in 3 player games last night. Super fun deck! Really smartly designed and fun to play for being so cheap.
@DarkEinherjar
@DarkEinherjar 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, they kept the "alternate commanders", just not in new cards. This particular deck lets you use Rhys, Harald, Miara + Numa or Abomination of Llanowar (LOL) as commanders.
@TheBigDirty716
@TheBigDirty716 3 жыл бұрын
Yes they could work, but I dont think the synergy would be there if you just swapped one with the other. Lathril is make a bunch of elves and overrun or use her ability to drain. What would the other ones be? Harald could work as voltron but wheres the auras and equip? Abomination youd probably want a lot more graveyard. And Rhys would just.... regenerate elves??
@Oopsall
@Oopsall 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBigDirty716 Numa + Miara works with all elves, not just token elves. Numa lets you make elves bigger, Miara is honestly one of the best elf partner commanders because she gives elves the ability to draw at a very small costs when ANY elf dies.
@Oopsall
@Oopsall 3 жыл бұрын
Also, don't underestimate the ability to regenerate and keep elves around. You want to protect yourself from board wipes as much as possible.
@commandertribeelder2277
@commandertribeelder2277 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBigDirty716 I don't think the synergy is there all the time with the decks that have multiple "commanders" there is usually one you want that is the for sure, and then a few cards to get you started with the others.
@Rashadmcka
@Rashadmcka 3 жыл бұрын
This is so off topic, but I listened to that song for the first time today in maybe years on a whim. And when I just finished listening to it on repeat like 3 times, I went on KZbin and clicked this video lool, funny how things work out.
@chrisgould101
@chrisgould101 3 жыл бұрын
They are listening
@EvlEgle
@EvlEgle 3 жыл бұрын
37:50 when they finally get around to talking about upgrades.
@maxgeorgie1992
@maxgeorgie1992 2 жыл бұрын
The real MVP
@dedpoptart
@dedpoptart 2 жыл бұрын
G.O.A.T.
@ShotensGaming
@ShotensGaming 3 жыл бұрын
This video actually made me realize how hood Harvest Season is. I actually put it in my Jund elves deck. Even if you only get 2 lands it is a better cultivate. With a much higher ceiling!
@burnsboy101
@burnsboy101 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing, upgrading this deck right at this moment
@theteddy1487
@theteddy1487 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@jerrywilliams408
@jerrywilliams408 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto.
@KupoPotion
@KupoPotion 3 жыл бұрын
Same here! Lol
@helmingways2056
@helmingways2056 3 жыл бұрын
I upgraded mine a couple days ago anf im interested to see what they did differently!
@Anthony.Kunz_
@Anthony.Kunz_ 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@Jakk3113
@Jakk3113 3 жыл бұрын
I've been working on this deck all day today, great timing on this video.
@12fishcake
@12fishcake 2 жыл бұрын
Great ideas! One thing I'd add about taking harvest season out, I get the point about not being able to tap consistently, but on the other hand we are adding a few things that allow you to tap your creatures for mana, giving more ways to tap creatures (outside of attacking) than the deck would've had before. That could lead to some insane mana levels. that in addition to the commander's effect it may be worth keeping it in. A fair argument could be made either way tbh but just some food for thought there
@cheat_code1341
@cheat_code1341 2 жыл бұрын
Having played with this deck I’ve kinda noticed a few more win conditions, for example there’s an elf that makes every opponent lose X life where X is the number of elves you control. So hit with a buff Lathril and play that guy in your second main faze to do real damage
@mong0038
@mong0038 3 жыл бұрын
Ok that might be my favorite intro. You guys sung your heart out and I like that song.
@bernardleong2849
@bernardleong2849 3 жыл бұрын
I like Timberwatch Elf... The key is "Target Creature". It doesnt have to target your own creature...
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@lolmeister9764
@lolmeister9764 3 жыл бұрын
One card I brought in to replace the Soul Jar was Icon of Ancestry. It fits well with the buff-elfs idea and is a repeatable tutor.
@fanaticalproductions9661
@fanaticalproductions9661 3 жыл бұрын
Wow perilous forays is way to good with maja, bretagard protector
@mikemcglasson1286
@mikemcglasson1286 3 жыл бұрын
And with one more token maker, you net positive on creatures and lands
@draconicarttheartofblades3023
@draconicarttheartofblades3023 2 жыл бұрын
Some cards I added to this Deck were Sandworm Convergence and Wellwisher, among other stuff. And I happen to have cut the same cards like you guys, without even watching this Video before
@Rob.S697
@Rob.S697 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I didn't know about perilous forays when I bought upgrades for this deck. Personally, I feel like the best card to add is vorrac battlehorns it is so good in here and has helped me win a few games although my friends watch out for it now.
@thewompa7673
@thewompa7673 3 жыл бұрын
The first game I played with this deck I got 13 lands off harvest season, and I choose to believe that is how this card will always work and I'll never have it be dead in my hand
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
yes I need to get it for my elf deck
@MrBe56
@MrBe56 3 жыл бұрын
Those midroll ads were hilarious.
@TiltedSquare
@TiltedSquare 3 жыл бұрын
I never mind their ads! I love them and they're so funny. With the VPN ad I did think I accidentally switched over to an episode of Game Knights. 😂
@christophervennix9861
@christophervennix9861 2 жыл бұрын
I agree to a point with the analysis of Voice of Many however two important points - First Voice of Many is an elf creature, a 3/3 which synergises with the deck. 4 mana is not unreasonable to draw 2-3 cards AND get a 3/3 elf. Second, because Voice of Many is a creature, it can be returned from the graveyard or returned to hand to be reused (for example with Wirewood Symbiote). It has the potential to be used 2-3 times in a game especially in Green-Black which specialise in returning cards from the graveyard.
@brettkeenan8367
@brettkeenan8367 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the Azorius one. Bought it specifically for Cosmic Intervention, and would love to upgrade it outside of that
@vaporeon344
@vaporeon344 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I’ve been looking to build a blink deck for a while.
@jonklaus1466
@jonklaus1466 3 жыл бұрын
I built mine into a control/ Combo deck and I always become the Threat haha.
@jacobchappius3230
@jacobchappius3230 3 жыл бұрын
Actually love this deck though using it in a different way making a Najeela, Blade Blossom Elf Warrior deck!
@thomascollins5622
@thomascollins5622 3 жыл бұрын
Lathril already worked surprisingly well out of the box. I mean, not including Llanowar Elves and Fyndhorn Elves right off the bat was an odd choice, as they're staples of Elfball strategies
@Tbd.adventures
@Tbd.adventures 3 жыл бұрын
Can we all just take time to appreciate how good those vocals sounded in the beginning 😂
@whitlash44
@whitlash44 3 жыл бұрын
Has anyone noticed that this episode is not even a day old yet and the prices on all of these cards are no longer under the $25 budget? I get that others have the same idea and this was probably shot a few days ago. At the time of writing this comment Ezuri is $10+, Elvish Champion is $15+, Elvish Harbinger $10+. Perilous Forays $2+. All the others are under a dollar but this one spiked really quickly! Love the content just curious if anyone went to upgrade and noticed it was more expensive.
@anthonycastro559
@anthonycastro559 3 жыл бұрын
Just buy the cards at your LGS cardkingdom is not great. They will jack up prices from these JAs
@damiend.7392
@damiend.7392 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestions! I totally forgot about those enchantment sac outlets!
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
the one that gets lands is awesome
@atk9989
@atk9989 3 жыл бұрын
For pact of the serpent, there is another use for it too. You can use it as a win con. Since it says target player and it's a generic tribal draw you can get an opponent to low life then drain them with it or auto kill decks like ragnar, ovar, or krenko, or any other go massive token decks.
@Russian_engineer_bmstu
@Russian_engineer_bmstu 3 жыл бұрын
We dont have a lot of ways to tup creatures But? Does not this deck play quite a bit of manadorks?
@warmCabin
@warmCabin 3 жыл бұрын
Timberwatch Elf on Lathril Swing for Elves + 2 damage Cast Elven Ambush, get 2*Elves + 2 additional elves Bam, 4 mana elf quadrupler
@jsato4921
@jsato4921 3 жыл бұрын
One of our playgroup played this right out the box against our regular decks. Won every time.
@mimika3389
@mimika3389 3 жыл бұрын
This is actualy the first mtg deck that i play(i just started recently) and yeah kinda dont know what card to take out and what to add. So ty for the argument but there some card that i want to keep
@ring1313
@ring1313 3 жыл бұрын
Copperhorn scout seems fantastic if you can hit critical mass or even as a dork only mana doubler
@Mr.MusicPlaylist
@Mr.MusicPlaylist 3 жыл бұрын
I have the card it works wonders with lathrill trust me
@brentgould958
@brentgould958 3 жыл бұрын
The Pemmin's Aura Arixmethes bit was worth a thumbs up
@midnightlemon4255
@midnightlemon4255 3 жыл бұрын
A good card for this deck (and any deck where you expect to have a lot of tapped creatures) is Throne of the God-Pharaoh. Also, I'm really surprised nobody suggested seedborn muse! It's such an incredible include in here, if you have the 10 elves you can drain everyone every turn.
@leemiller6977
@leemiller6977 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great idea, had one in a deck and now its in my deck list for Lathril!
@joeykipp7804
@joeykipp7804 3 жыл бұрын
Yayyyy another episode, this deck is so good
@justinphilemon8970
@justinphilemon8970 2 жыл бұрын
so at 52:22, the Timberwatch elf, I actually think it would be better to keep in the deck because you can tap it at instance speed so if another player swings with a huge creature with trample, as long as you have a halfway decent board state you could block that creature. and the reverse is true too. because it doesn't list elves specifically you can equip it to anything with trample, again as long as you have a decent board state, and swing with it
@MalteLewandowski
@MalteLewandowski 3 жыл бұрын
Evolutionary leap is also a pretty good and cheap sac outlet, which would fit nicely here.
@JonathanHecht
@JonathanHecht 3 жыл бұрын
So the thing is i had a monogreen elves deck for a few years now (got the freyalise precon), and ever since commander legends i saw all the support in black and green so i decided to switch when kaldheim came out. Today I see the prices of cards like Joraga warcaller and elvish champion and im glad i got the precon years ago because the spikes recently are frustrating
@felipegomez3595
@felipegomez3595 3 жыл бұрын
When i run Elvish Champion i always include Song of the Dryads as both removal and a way to give them a forest when they don't have them normally
@jamesgratz4771
@jamesgratz4771 3 жыл бұрын
Getting this deck this week when I get paid as a little treat for myself lol. I love golgari elves and I have a few cards laying around that can upgrade the deck
@jeremytorres547
@jeremytorres547 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy it's a great deck
@jamesgratz4771
@jamesgratz4771 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremytorres547 thanks guy!!! I got an elvish war master from a pack I’ll throw in there too. These precons are way better than 2018
@jeremytorres547
@jeremytorres547 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgratz4771 yes, I won my first game right out of the box for the first time and thankfully I had almost all my lorwyn stuff so didn't have to buy the elvish harbinger
@jamesgratz4771
@jamesgratz4771 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremytorres547 I was reading the deck list and I’m like yeah for 20 bucks or whatever it is that’s a pretty decent deal. I really liked the rogue one and upgraded it with sakashima and blighted agent. I want to add the swords but they are pricey 😂
@petersteiman2443
@petersteiman2443 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure WotC said that they put more new cards this time around because the Foretell deck needed more new cards because it didn’t have a deep pool of cards to pull from. I feel like Harvest Season should work well if you have a good amount of mana dorks in deck you should be able to consistently get two lands out of it and for three mana that is already a good deal.
@markt43
@markt43 3 жыл бұрын
37:00 episode starts 54:00 episode ends
@smoothieviceroy
@smoothieviceroy 3 жыл бұрын
In addition to the mana dork synergies, sometimes you can bluff a pump spell with an aggressive attack and come away with a super greedy Harvest Season. Easier to do with Ezuri on board for sure, but that bluff has rewarded me with some serious ramp.
@Goscalyon
@Goscalyon 3 жыл бұрын
Harvest season in a mana dork heavy elf deck maybe? I love it! Also I would probably want to add an equipment to easily boost the commander and possibly give it trample and or vigilance.
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@SimonLewis_photography
@SimonLewis_photography 3 жыл бұрын
Just got my Lathril deck checked for mid on Spelltable. Its a really fun deck to play with several win cons like wound reflection, throne of the god pharaoh and Ezuri. One of the best budget commander decks so far
@darkdestiny9106
@darkdestiny9106 3 жыл бұрын
Would have recommended Masked Vandal from the KHM set too, it counts as an elf and is interaction to get rid of annoying enchantments or artifacts.
@jpwood9180
@jpwood9180 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the Ranar Upgrade Guide, that's the one I'm upgrading now
@mrTjstephens1
@mrTjstephens1 3 жыл бұрын
Elvish guidance is 25 cents and turns a land in to a gaias cradle. I modified my deck with this card i ended up with i giant mana battery!
@sinfulkri8ivity
@sinfulkri8ivity 3 жыл бұрын
Nailed the intro!!! Best one yet, good job
@willroelfsema4071
@willroelfsema4071 3 жыл бұрын
I found that any of the swords are really nice in this deck (if your not worried about the budget) I have been running the sword of war and peace and the sword of feast and famine is awesome in the deck (tho I think it's pretty good in any deck tbh)
@masternitershiter
@masternitershiter 3 жыл бұрын
I kept 3 of their 10 out. I haven't played it a lot, but I was able to get 12 lands from a single Season of Growth. I used the Commander tap ability because my opponents had too many blockers to push through. I then used some mana tap elves to actual cast it. I had enough health that I wasn't worried about dying to slap-back though, and I can see Jimmy's point. I'm going to keep playing it and see what happens.
@Deum-Immortalem
@Deum-Immortalem 3 жыл бұрын
I got two Zendikar commander decks last month lands wrath & sneak attack witch I thought they where pretty good & came with some awesome commander choices just ordered the Elven empire deck and the phantom Premonition can't wait to try them out they seem pretty good also after I play them a couple times I'll do some upgrading love the show Ive been binge watching game knights
@gabiballetje
@gabiballetje 2 жыл бұрын
Lathril, other elves or token elves, Copperhorn Stout. Tap the bunch except Copperhorn, attack with Copperhorn, even if it dies, you can do it again. You probably have several ways to get a card back. If you play non-EDH, you can have 4 of each.
@gimmethejuice7305
@gimmethejuice7305 3 жыл бұрын
I know it is an odd thing to comment on, but I notice josh is looking to the left to listen to Jimmy. Jimmy is also looking to the left to listen to Josh. If Josh had his monitor on our right side (his left) then when Jimmy talks he would look to the right. Idk, love the podcast guys keep it up!
@thanatosignis5702
@thanatosignis5702 3 жыл бұрын
Omg, I thought I loved you guys before, after that intro I think I'm in love with both of you ♥️
@alexmacgregor5265
@alexmacgregor5265 3 жыл бұрын
I like harvest season, mostly because it's a good rate if you get two basics from it. I run it in my slimefoot the stowaway deck and I'm pretty happy with it
@TheBigDirty716
@TheBigDirty716 3 жыл бұрын
100% agree with the wrath/targeted removal point. Went to the lgs and had 4 board wipes cast in the first game I played this deck, mostly to keep this(slightly upgraded) under control. The problem was no one else had a way to win so it wound up being a 2 hour game of passing turns. Terrible.
@geezii7567
@geezii7567 3 жыл бұрын
this precon is insanely strong outta the box. highest power level in the last 2 years with precons i can only speak 2 years as that's as far as i went playing every single precon. this one is just really strong, competes with my budget rhys green white elf tribal deck. best precon i could ever recommend for first-time magic/commander players or even long-time players that just want to add another deck to his collection that's fun and cheap.
@brendonford3838
@brendonford3838 3 жыл бұрын
Just like the emmara, soul of the accord deck I think throne of the god-pharaoh is probably worth it with all the mana dorks. good way to chip away at people so your commanders ability or the alpha strike can finish them off
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
yeah because you can use your commanders ability then they lose another ten
@marvin5342
@marvin5342 3 жыл бұрын
Tyvar kell and Nissa Revane would be quite nice as well as both if the elves that tap for mana equal to the number of yiz elves
@thedicehavespoken6234
@thedicehavespoken6234 2 жыл бұрын
The thing about harvest season is that a large number of your creatures are mana dorks, so they can tap themselves. I think it's usually a bad card, but in elf tribal, it's pretty good.
@berrygrass1891
@berrygrass1891 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly pretty nice harmonizing on the song, y'all!
@tserrofz9
@tserrofz9 3 жыл бұрын
I am never a fan of ad....but the shudder one is great. Less KEeps more this. seems actually relevant to us.
@jeremyterry8312
@jeremyterry8312 3 жыл бұрын
I added Priest of Titania and some more elvis that make Mana along with a staff of Domination and a diabolic tutor and demonic tutor
@lonsmithicus
@lonsmithicus 3 жыл бұрын
Great song and singing of it. Thanks again boyz
@OsamuWuVT
@OsamuWuVT 3 жыл бұрын
the big things if you want any planeswalkers: Tyvar and nissa are a must. above 25 you need doubling season and parallel lives because this deck wants to be a token maker, so cards that benefit tokens popping out like feralyse being the big one.
@Blakkichan151
@Blakkichan151 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I got to this deck late and a lot of the cards in this video have become much more expensive :') But I made my own additions and this deck has been super fun to play! It's not an elf so I was hesitant to add it in, but I happened to have a Nylea, Keen-eyed lying around and it has been awesome in this. Not only does it discount all my elves but if I have extra mana I can dig for more! Combos really nicely with the scry from Path of Ancestry :D
@elileser3822
@elileser3822 3 жыл бұрын
the reason the mana curve is so high is because of all of the manadorks and spells like Harvest Season. You have to have a lot of ramp and card draw to make them work. I would almost say its worth running a skull clamp along with Ezuri Renegade Leader for card draw and use manadorks and Harvest Season to get ungodly amounts of mana. You can use the tutors to get Ezuri and the manadorks so all you have to draw is Skullclamp
@valiantstallion
@valiantstallion 3 жыл бұрын
HUGE shoutout to the design team of Kaldheim especially the font and JLKs shirt. It reminds me of a badass spider for some odd reason, anyone else?
@skwarka3285
@skwarka3285 3 жыл бұрын
One potential way to find the value of new mini-commander decks while also accounting for fluctuations in the quantity of new cards is to take the average value of each of the reprinted cards and using that as a scalar multiplier for the total number of cards in the deck. For instance, say deck A has 3 new cards and a reprint value of 80$ while deck B has 8 new cards and a value of 70$. That means that Deck A has an average value of ~0.82$ per reprinted card (80$/97 reprints), so if we then multiply that by 100 we find an adjusted value of ~82$. if we then do the same for Deck B we find it has an average value of ~0.76$ per card and an adjusted value of ~76$.
@djskype020202
@djskype020202 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you guys do a video where you try to guess the order of the top 10 or 15 creature types from most popular to least popular and see how many you get right
@ambereller750
@ambereller750 3 жыл бұрын
I bought this and switched commander for Abomination of Llanowar. Most of the cards you said to pull i did right away. I am wanting to do a deadbridge chant to get cards like elvish ambush back in my hand!
@lucascoffey8883
@lucascoffey8883 3 жыл бұрын
I am a MASSIVE elf fan and have THROUGHLY enjoyed this deck. Besides the obvious addition of parallel lives I would also recommend the addition of the new Tyvar and Gensis wave
@bingrijper
@bingrijper 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tip of Tyvar just got into magic so still learning
@andystocking5316
@andystocking5316 3 жыл бұрын
First off: Harvest season regularly nets me 2-3 lands into play. for 3 mana I consider that well worth it, especially since sometimes it is 5+ lands, not always, but if you can find one turn mid game when one opponent is open to attacks from some 1/1 Elf Warrior tokens it can do wonders. Also: Taking out timberwatch elf because it makes something too much of a target seems off, like don't play good cards because it will make you the enemy? Even when powerful it isn't the sort of remove-on sight threat you can see in commander games.
@DoylePrime
@DoylePrime 3 жыл бұрын
I use Harvest Season in my Kumena deck that taps a lot of merfolk, and with a bunch of mana dorks it also becomes a slam dunk. Honestly with two tapped creatures it's slightly better than cultivate.
@francischungfs
@francischungfs 3 жыл бұрын
Try adding in a Quest for Renewal or Seedborn Muse so you can clear the table by the time it reached back to your turn
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
that would be good
@thetasworld
@thetasworld Жыл бұрын
I come from the future and Jake made a great play using pact of the serpent in GM#55 using it to make ladee danger to draw cards and force opponents to attack her.
@juniorkabir1865
@juniorkabir1865 3 жыл бұрын
What are the chances? The video I was watching JUST BEFORE this one was your "Breya, Etherium Shaper Deck Tech" from FOUR YEARS AGO(!!!), which just so happened to be the video where you guys sing "I got soul, but I'm not a soldier". So Random; so funny:D
@elriclittle2390
@elriclittle2390 3 жыл бұрын
Torment of Hailfire, Bojuka Bog and Peat Bog always go in my black decks. With the high mana elves can produce ToH can finish off opponents easy.
@jadewheatley2559
@jadewheatley2559 3 жыл бұрын
I love Yeva, Nature's Herald, and I think she adds a lot to he deck.
@andrewpruznak7113
@andrewpruznak7113 3 жыл бұрын
yes she's in my elf deck
@txag007
@txag007 3 жыл бұрын
Bramblewood Paragon. It adds a +1/+1 counter on each warrior that enters the battlefield (hint hint Lathril makes warrior elves plus many other elves are warriors). Then each creature with a +1/+1 counter on it has trample. It only costs 1G to cast. Cheap elf with good effects stapled to it.
@MrBigeousd
@MrBigeousd 3 жыл бұрын
Timberwatch elves is a card that you want to keep in the deck, any creature can be killed, however you can attack all out keep it back, whatever is not blocked can be pumped. Plus as others have stated it can be used as a political card.
@geez1817
@geez1817 3 жыл бұрын
Found harvest season is pretty good. Reliably had several dorks or helpers tapped and get 3-5 outta the deal. Woodland champion could make itself giant. Realmwalker from kaldheim is nice to maybe catch someone of guard with something on top of your library. Priest of the forgotten gods might be fun to
@gypsieking3280
@gypsieking3280 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, but where are you finding cheap Elvish Champions? Even before Ezuri's price bump over the last 24 hours, the champ was always sitting at 10
@goatseatchili1817
@goatseatchili1817 Жыл бұрын
I thought I’d mention a combo that was pretty scary I found the other day when I was playing with this deck. (Keep in mind I am new to the game so it may not be the best) Numa, Jorge chieftain (at begginjng if combat +1/1 counters to any number of elves) and wire wood channeler (tap for mana for the number of elves on the battlefield). Guarantees a 1/1 on all your elves every turn you can tap wirewood. There’s cards that do it better that I have now but it was a neat combo to throw together on the spot
@Fighting_irish493
@Fighting_irish493 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like in your upgrades you could have added one area that was basically mana dorks like elves of deep shadow, finhorn elves, lianowar elves, arbor elf, these elves are gonna get you going in the early game get your commander out maybe a turn early and set you up to have more bodies on the battlefield all of these guys are like 1$ or less each and are the basic foundations of most elf decks especially in black and green
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