The Convert Couple Shattering the Catholic Protestant Divide (w/ Caleb and Natali Perkins)

[@zomozuwa]

Wow I relate SO much to their experience. I was recently baptized + confirmed on Easter Vigil with my best friend!!! Both of us coming from a Protestant "church", specifically Baptist and anti-Catholic circles. Hearing Natali talk about her experience hits home, it was the Eucharist for me that I realized I needed because it's Christ and as a Protestant there is no valid Eucharist. My best friend who converted realized the importance of the papacy and she helped me to see the need for it and everything falls apart without it. So many Protestants have mocked and slandered my friend and I but I can only pray for them. I hope Protestants come home. I feel robbed by Protestantism because it kept me from experiencing the purest form of God's love in the Catholic Church. I am SOOO happy to be Catholic now.

[@ntlearning]

Statistics show that many Catholics believe the Eucharist is only symbolic.

[@georgefuentes4112]

Glory be to God!

[@miracles_metanoia]

Amen! God bless! Thank you for sharing your testimony

[@wingchun1963]

Zoe, have you ever noticed Catholics say " welcome home". I don't know if the Baptists, or others, also say, "welcome Home" But I'll say it, " Welcome home" we're better when we are together"

[@R.C.425]

❤ This makes me so happy ❤ Blessed be God, forever 🙏 ❤ Welcome home 🥰

[@georgefuentes4112]

Thanks for bringing this awesome couple to our attention Keith from @TheCordialCatholic . You have such a kind soul and demeanor and I pray you know how much you have been a light to the Catholic world. God bless you and your family every day of your lives.

[@rabmacaskill9531]

Amen 🙏

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Thanks for such kind words! 🙏

[@davidjanbaz7728]

​​@@TheCordialCatholicif I have to deconvert from P. then obviously I'm Not willing to do that so keep your false idea of conversion/ deconvertion between Catholics vs Protestants. .

[@Old.School.Ronin.01]

@@davidjanbaz7728 Then clearly you have allowed satan too much of stronghold over you through deception. This is satan's world luring souls to accompany his + all other fallen angels & souls' miseries. God's Kingdom is not of this world.

[@myronmercado]

Converts are getting younger and younger. Handsome couple! Welcome home to the church Jesus founded guys!

[@gwendolynnorton6329]

As a Catholic convert from evangelicalism, I can assure you that a desire to convert Protestants is not nefarious. It’s the kindest thing we could possibly be doing! They deserve so much better!

[@SouthernFriedPap1st]

It's like trying to get people to accept a firehose of graces as opposed to a cocktail straw of grace. My soul would be lost if I hadn't taken the leap into Catholicism.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

​​@@SouthernFriedPap1st I love your name! It must take some cajones to wear your Catholicism on your sleeves down there. It reminds me of that Catholic woman in the film Nashville. Great film, R rating, a bit surreal, and her character is only a small part of what is probably the largest ensemble cast ever assembled, but I love how she's always bringing up the fact that she's Catholic out of nowhere. There's something so Apostolic about that, and I really dig it.

[@filiamaria8]

exactly I relate to this, esp to the devout protestants like my best friend! I feel sad that they are missing so much just because of the misinformation😢 I wish them all to search more openly and Mama Mary guide them back...🙏🙏🙏

[@gwendolynnorton6329]

@@ignatiusjackson235 I’ll have to check that out!

[@b.r.holmes6365]

It also goes against Pope Francis. He specifically instructed Catholic faithful to not convert non-Catholics.

[@hoshuajofstetter784]

I know them personally and I can say they are some of the best people I’ve met! Pray for them!

[@kathywiens9852]

All of these new converts need our prayers. We know they will be attacked by the evil one in various ways. 🙏🤲🙏💕

[@Musicislife-ht7fz]

🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤

[@vinnyrivera]

As a convert I loved hearing their story. 💜💜💜

[@dtreese]

I can relate so much to this. I have been so on fire through my RCIA(OCIA) journey over the last year. I can’t stop myself from reading.

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Praying for you!

[@EricAlHarb]

Home is the Orthodox Catholic Church, not to throw shade on my Latin Brothers.

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

@@EricAlHarb Most Catholics consider the orthodox people their brethren in Christ. But the Orthodox Church divided itself away from Catholicism over the issue of the pope. Yet they have no established unity on the sacrament of Baptism. The one true, Biblical church set up by Christ …is the Catholic Church. Dividing away from it leads one into Gnosticism and man-made religions.

[@Truthseekingcatholic]

​@EricAlHarb no its not. Home is the RCC. You should come home.

[@JWellsUp]

@@theyliveyousleep8965it’s the issue of whether the Holy Spirit comes from the Father or the Father and the Son? Catholics believe Father and Son and Orthodox believe Father alone. It’s Father and Son thru Mary. At the Virgin Mary greetings to Elizabeth the Holy Spirit filled Elizabeth and St John by the power of the Father with the Son (baby Jesus ) thru Mary’s voice. She is the dispenser of graces that comes from the Father and the Son since the Father is in him and the Son in the Father. Amen

[@carakerr4081]

Unfortunately as a Catholic revert from the Protestant Church I experienced much anti Catholicism within Protestant circles. Since reverting to Catholicism I’ve had people cease speaking to me. It’s sad and a bit scary to be honest how much hate there is and fear which is based in ignorance of the truth of the Catholic Church the church Jesus built on the rock. God bless 🙏

[@GarthDomokos]

I like the one post I read on one of the videos I watched "there's no hate like Christian love"

[@simonslater9024]

Please read my comment

[@simonslater9024]

Please read my comment

[@rexlion4510]

I have it from the opposite side of the coin. As a former cradle Catholic who became Protestant, my mother became furious and accused me of horrible things when I told her I was leaving the Catholic Church. And anytime I even mention the subject of faith with Catholic friends or acquaintances, they start to treat me like a two-headed monster.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

​@@rexlion4510 I don't think any of my family would treat me like that if I left the Catholic faith, but I sure hope they would.

[@deucedawg01]

God bless you both for sharing your journey. I've been married 20 years with 3 kids, and I still pray daily for my wife's conversion.

[@leejennifercorlewayres9193]

Send her this video!

[@jowardseph]

Excited to watch it!

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@gc3563]

The same Fr Mike video got me too!! As I’m sure it has for so many other converts 🙏🏻 I broke down and started crying and said I have to have the Eucharist, it’s that simple. Praise be to Jesus over two years in the Church now and it’s been the best decision of my life!

[@caselcortez8071]

Praise God... Welcome home brothers and sisters in Christ

[@Saiyan585]

I and two other RCIA candidates who were confirmed this past Easter vigil converted over from protestant denominations. Church of Christ (myself), Lutheran, and Baptist.

[@simonslater9024]

Please read my comment

[@franaldo93]

🙏🔥🔥🔥

[@OzCrusader]

It is fantastic that these on-fire young people are attracted to the authentic Catholic Faith. But sadly, just as many young Catholics are also leaving the Church. Is this God sifting the wheat from the chaff?

[@barborazajacova7633]

Pray for them to come back. Maybe they will and they will bring the best that they found in the other faith traditions with them. God is working on the unity of all Christians. However, there is also the aspect that the people leaving often do so because of our poor witness. So it's a responsibility of all in the Church. I am counting myself in this too.. I've been asking the Lord what can I do to help the unity and help Catholics to not leave the Church but live their faith in its fullness. Those leaving don't know what they are leaving. If they did, they would never do so.

[@johnosumba1980]

May be God is taking them out there so they can come to understand Catholic better, remember most usually revert back to the Church only that it doesn’t make the news.

[@RedRiverMan]

@@barborazajacova7633 right on !!!! We don't witness often because we as Catholics don't know our faith and the gifts it offers. This is our fault as Catholics and not just the priests. Of course the intransigence of the priests to speak a word of witness, explain in a solemn way whats happening in liturgy and why, and not only push us to evangelise but to deeply evangelise us, is so important. I have heard from Catholics that "Cathooics know their faith , they understand the Mass and we don't need to break up the mass by explaining the parts or the reasons we do what we do what we do." This is a recipe for losing folks I believe and we need to do better. I am praying everyday for this for us.

[@johnsteichen5239]

I am not chaff. I never left the Faith. I left the baggage and accretions of the Catholic tradition. My faith has flourished outside my catholic history. I know so many fellow Christians with a similar story. God bless the journey of this couple. It is not my journey I love the Lord more and more each day. And at age 81 I am doing the best I can to serve the Lord. I STUDY the practices of St Paul and what he taught. It is not missing anything. The Catholic Church does not own the Eucharist. It is not a franchise of the Holy Spirit. Christians have the Eucharist. Religion easily corrupts the Gospel.

[@OzCrusader]

@@johnsteichen5239 You DID leave the true One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and that is your doing. Why then are you here on a Catholic channel, when you no longer have any interest in Catholicism? Are you looking to see what you’re missing? The true faith started with the Sacred Deposit of Faith in Jesus Christ Our Lord and God, on which He founded His Church. All breakaway groups are man-made schisms. You think your faith is full, but the Eucharist subsists only in the original Catholic Church on which you turned your back. Only the Catholic Church has God’s authority to administer the sacraments and the Eucharist is the greatest of them. So, yes, there is no Christian franchise, only the one true authentic Catholic Church. Come back home. You are welcome.

[@markbuttell6716]

This calling is incredible for you all. My one thought of many is you are the new “Chosen” of this generation to bring back the full unity of Christians to the body, soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ at his table. Not just at a local level but to the ends of the Earth. Being that mustard seed with the love of our Protestant brothers and sisters and “letting them figure it out” as you said is like moving that mountain and stirring their spirit which ultimately leads them home in the end. You have also brought a sense to this audience that we need to take time to listen through adoration or prayer and let his will be done for maybe our own calling we haven’t recognized from his messages. What a great podcast!

[@simonslater9024]

Please read my comment.

[@gracianomendoza8671]

Welcome home guys! Godbless and much prayers for your ministries

[@cammos07]

Wow!!! Their zeal is contagious!! I especially love the leading of the Holy Spirit not only Home to the Catholic Church but how He is using them as bridges and bringing unity. That is the heart of Jesus…unity!!! Something I’ve been praying for for several years but have hit obstacle after obstacle in trying to bring churches in our small town together. Now I’m on the road to becoming Catholic. Maybe this is the time I can be used as that bridge of unity I’ve been praying about for so long.

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

For unity to happen, one side would have to bend. The pope has been trying to bring Protestants and orthodox churches back into alignment for decades through varied means, ecumenical councils, etc. Protestants have been given the facts and biblical teachings over & over again for hundreds of years. They even have the internet to research the thousands of apologetic videos which contain countless facts & explanations. And yet, still to this day, most Protestants believe the lies about Catholicism and continue to hate. Because they’d rather do whatever they want and call it “inspiration from the Holy Spirit.” It appears that the only way for unity to happen …is if Catholics become Protestant. This couple is doing just that. They are ignoring the pope’s authority and taking it upon themselves to bring their Protestant habits with them to church…laying on of hands, prophesying, pop music, etc.

[@peaceandjoy2568]

The most important thing that should not be overlooked in the desire to bring Catholics and Protestants into unity is the fullness of the Truth that is the Catholic Faith. Although we love one another the Truth which Jesus revealed to His Church, the Catholic Church, can't be watered down and our Protestant brothers need to hear it. Let us pray to the Holy Who alone has the power to change hearts.

[@theresapalumbo674]

Yes! Such a needed encouragement. The truths that penetrated your hearts to come home to the one, true, holy and apostolic Church cannot be subjugated in pursuit of ecumenism. If, after a brief time, your Protestant friends and acquaintances reject the Truth, you must move on to others who are open to transforming their lives as you did. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

Yes, this is what the pope tried to do decades ago. But it’s not the responsibility of the laity to “Protestantize” Catholicism. This couple and their friends are bringing in Protestant and new age actions into the Catholic Faith. Laying on of hands, prophesying, worship/pop music…those are not Catholic. Not biblical. They are new age and Gnostic/Protestant activities.

[@LuisLopez-zt1yi]

Dios los bendiga. Hermoso testimonio.

[@mariedsilva8610]

Great testimony build bridges of love to all to Jesus

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

What a beautiful young couple giving up so much for Jesus and His Catholic Church. ShemaCulture’s efforts to reach across the isle to protestants sounds like a fantastic apostolate. Their praise and worship activities sound a lot like the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I will pray that God spreads their enthusiasm to others and they have chapters across America and Canada.

[@tomJ1.1-3]

This is beautiful, thank you for sharing!

[@576sqft]

Love this! I am Catholic and after attending mass on Sundays, I watch Protestant services on YT because I love their zeal and have heard lots of good sermons. I really believe these services have added to, compliment, and enrich my faith.

[@MrDoyle07]

I do that too! Our Prot Brothers do a pretty good sermon. It always discourages me though when they go on their Lutherian/Prot tirades against the origin church in their insecurity and hate from that element of Protestantism. It gives away at some of the spirit behind what drives them. I am often happy though when I see that the spirit of The Lord seems to drive their sermons… …how does the demon enter them to just rip at the Catholics? It seems kind of like some sort of a selfish insecurity. The only thing they actually ‘know’ about Catholicism, in most cases, is what some other Prot told them about it. Why not just go and actually learn what it is? That’s how I approached my learning about Prots. When they would twist their sermons into an anti-cat tirade I would make the sign of the cross and bite my tongue. Not always easy to do. I don’t go to the Prot services anymore but I do still hear their sermons on YT, I can talk back when they’re being hateful without being disruptive/disrespectful when I listen on YT. 😮

[@loveyourenemy7796]

@@MrDoyle07I am a Protestant-well technically evangelical which is different. Never heard the negative comments when I was younger. It’s kind of a recent thing. After the shut downs when my church just decided to stay closed way too long, I found a Calvary Chapel type church with an international online viewership. I had to drive a bit, but the music was fantastic. Only thing that bothered me, was that the pastor regularly threw in an anti Catholic comment that I knew was misled. I started praying for it to stop and that he’d begin to see. Well it is now so much better. Also, it drove me TO the Catholic Church, not away from it. I go to mass now and fill my soul with Jesus. Will be going through RCIA now. I don’t go as often to the big church, but if I do, it’s to sing, ironically, from the joy I have from having found Jesus so beautifully celebrated, better than I imagined, in the mass. Someday we will be one. Jesus prayed for it for us all in John 17. Let’s join Him in this prayer.

[@MrDoyle07]

@@loveyourenemy7796 Wow. That was a refreshing read. Usually when those Brothers and Sisters who don't know we are Christians who love Jesus Christ with all our might respond to me it's to tell me Mother Mary is nobody, purgatory is a lie, confession is a false sacrament, the Pope is a lie, etc. I took the Protestant walk-away for a long time. Nothing, eventually, was such a driving force to return to the Holy Family and the Church Christ started than listening to the hatred coming from 'some' of their pulpits. They're not 'all' steeped in hatred, some of it is just misunderstanding and reading the intent of Jesus words differently. I can live with that but, when they start hating and are unwilling to hear other points of view of the very same verses just so they can stay immersed in their hate it frustrates me to a level that makes me have to go to confession because I do not want to suffer from those vitriloic levels of hate. Once we seee something in the scriptures at a whole spiritual level of intent we can't hardly unsee it. I can't go back and do that again. I will have to finish my days as a Catholic. I wish my wife could see what I see but, she can't. When I try to talk to her about the 'why's' of things she doesn't understand I get to see what a possessed person looks like. It can get pretty bad. As a result it will likely be just me sitting there in that pew on Sunday mornings. Anyway, that's the rough part of this, the beauty part is that we will know that we are where Christ wanted us to be when He started His Church in 33AD for us. It has certainly hit rough patches but what can we expect with humans at the administrative wheel; I suspect that is why he said, "The gates of hell will not prevail against it". That means we must be patient in the rough waters, when it's time he will do what He promised. Those gates won't prevail.

[@carakerr4081]

I’m looking forward to listening to this! Thank you and God bless you! 🙏🙏

[@Marist_Chanel]

Thank you Lord for your love upon us ❤

[@susanbelichis9842]

Wow, amazing story, God bless you more.

[@sonjajohn-14]

I love these testimonials. I am looking to convert. We have been Protestants for years but had the calling. I can't wait to begin the journey. Our RCIA program doesn't begin until the Fall. We have been attending Mass. We study and watch YT videos. We are learning. Blessings to you.

[@valeriesagheddu8820]

This whole broadcast is blowing my mind for so many reasons. I have a blessed in my family who was a victim soul for the cause of Christian Unity. I can’t…but can, believe the Lord led me to this today and the fact that you just mentioned Fr.Joshua just confirms that this is a divine appointment. God is so good! Glory to you Lord! 😇

[@christinewallace9251]

Wow! Our God is an AWESOME God. Thanks for sharing this story.

[@ellablu-zl8io]

Incredible story. This couple is living out sainthood. As Catholics that is what we are called to be on earth. Living testament for Christ. Following Christ isn't easy...it is difficult but most sweet and most rewarding and value to Jesus.

[@John_Six]

Thanks be to God. I love hearing these conversion stories.

[@cynthiabarrentine7331]

TY for having Caleb and Natali on. 2 days ago my son and I discussed the need for True Praise and Worship to precede the Mass.

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Hope this was helpful!

[@theresapalumbo674]

If appropriate at all it should be done after the sacrifice of the Mass has taken place and Our Lord has given Himself to all adorers. Prior to that, reverent silence should be the norm, as we should be preparing our hearts and minds to enter into the mystery of Our Lord’s crucifixion and death rather than stirring up human emotions. Consider an assembly of people waiting in a room for a king or head of state to enter. Would loud music and clapping precede his entrance? I think not. How much more does Christ the King of the World deserve our respectful, silent reverence?

[@johnrestucci3072]

Great to hear you are doing this. I thought it would be great to do this at our local parish as well. Especially for the youth. I will say though this is not new. One I left the Catholic Church at 19 and became a charismatic evangelical I always believed in the unity of our faith. You should look up Father D’Orio. You can see some videos on KZbin. He had a great healing ministry and would have very powerful meetings attended by Catholics and Protestants. He was baptized in the Holy Spirit and was big in the Catholic Charismatic Movement. We would attend ecumenical meetings at a local monastery. Many Catholics and Protestants were having encounters with Jesus and it didn’t matter if you were Catholic or Protestant.

[@caseycampbell1386]

Keith, a house keeping comment, it took over 7 minutes and 30 seconds to get started on the interview. I’ve noticed this in some of your other interviews. Any chance you could put yourself on a time table? SY 1-2 minutes of intro? Maybe less? Then right into the guest? Thanks !

[@RedRiverMan]

Love their witness and I agree we need more praise and worship and freedom to express in the liturgy. As an African American Catholic may of the Black parishes I have grown up in have this and it is beautiful participation in the true sacrifice of the Mass, the sacrifice of praise as the scripture says. God bless yall!

[@cristinaia]

It is sad that there are "black" parishes at all in the world. it seems this is a very typical protestant thing around. Apartheid and segragation were only really posible among Protestants after all. Catholicism is universal, all races together, and we are Catholics before anything else.

[@HatWares]

May we all be one!

[@cindyc13579]

I found the Latin Mass in Pass Christian MS and moved to Rockport TX and travel to Latin Mass that was brought to Corpus Christi TX by SSPX in 1980 and continues today in Portland TX..20 min. Closer to me. Oh! There was a Latin mass for years at 1 parish in Diocese...my 1st Sunday to go to mass at that Diocese oarish..SJTB...& the Bishop shut down the Latin Traditional Mass that morning! And so i received, by the grace of God, knowledge to go to the SSPX and what a blessing Fr. Reid is. I thank God for His many gifts to me.

[@dtreese]

They’re absolutely right about your podcast. You’re one of my algorithm tamers. Flood your feed with quality content, and it gradually stops feeding the garbage.

[@georgeimbo]

My grand father even pray the rosary for just a cup of water, that's how faithful he is that deeply rooted my faith in this Church of Christ. ✝️Amen.

[@barborazajacova7633]

We have a wonderful Catholic praise and worship ministry in my country that combines praise and worship sessions with Eucharistic blessing at the end, often including the Eucharist going around (being carried around) so that everyone can have a personal blessing and touch the hem of the Lord's garment literally. I was physically healed in one of such sessions. The ministry also does other things (evangelization, prayers for healing, serving the poor, prison ministry) and goes around the whole country bringing these sessions to almost every settlement ❤ It's wonderful ❤

[@TheCordialCatholic]

That sounds beautiful!

[@barborazajacova7633]

@TheCordialCatholic yes 😊 there is also a lot of cooperation with different Protestant ministries. But this is a largely Catholic country, the Protestant churches being in a small minority (but very much on fire) so the situation is a little bit different. I had to learn the American specifics since I have been coming to different online communities. I think I'm still learning to speak the two languages (Catholic and Protestant).

[@gtaylor178]

You should submit yourself to silence in the presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, just try being still to hear the Lord and adore in silence.

[@sheylamercado9801]

Keith. W O W this was your BEST interview to date. I had so many chills watching! I have no other words just W O W❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@TheCordialCatholic]

I’m inclined to agree! Thanks for watching and your inspiring words here!

[@lindseysmith6854]

Thank you for this. I am a Protestant follower of Jesus that has had my eyes opened to the reality of the Eucharist. This was extremely inspiring.

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Amazing! Thank you for watching.

[@luisrios3446]

Imagine the joy of actually receiving Christ in your body through the Eucharist!!!🤩

[@johntaaffe4709]

Go into any Catholic Church and KNEEL before the Blessed Sacrament and be open and say YES LORD. You'll just know that the Lord is truely present. Every time you go into the Catholic Church you'll know He's there. THE LORD IS PRESENT, PRAISE THE LORD.

[@iggyantioch]

Please come to Mass with us and just sit down and watch the beauty

[@TheZealotsDen]

Go to a mass! Singing hosanna and lamb of God before receiving is heavenly

[@anthonyfowler2623]

Sounds like you need to have them on again

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Indeed!

[@veronicarowe3960]

Welcome to the family.❤❤❤

[@ceiciliasura3879]

Praise God🙏

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Indeed!

[@jaslll4396]

This is the main arguement I'd like to suggest for you on friends. I heard the Lord answer this question to many as to which church should we be in and He has said it the church which bring you closer to God. I did not mean to imply it was never the Protestant church as they at times seem very good at leading people closer to God.

[@o0OAnnamariaO0o]

I love listening to people's stories like this and I admire your willingness to follow Jesus and trust in him. You're also a very sweet couple. Maybe you can start using the word "like" a little less, that would make it easier to follow your account. May the lord bless you further!

[@kathywiens9852]

I'm curious what that tat is on his right hand. Great testimony!!

[@KenKopelson]

I was wondering about their use of the word "worship", because it is my understanding that Catholic worship is the Eucharist, because all worship involves sacrifice. What was explained to me was singing songs is NOT worship. It is praise. Worship is the liturgical and involves sacrifice. Protestants do not really worship, they praise.

[@MikeEShea]

I'll cut them some slack. My fiancé is discerning Catholicism, and comes from a nondenominational Evangelical background. The language they use, the emphasis on the Holy Spirit, rather than Jesus, the emphasis on feelings and praise and worship are all remnants of their former lives and I suppose, if they’re talking with other Protestants and speaking their "language", it might help in their mission. But I do truly welcome them home to the church Christ founded!

[@NuLeif]

The “death cookie” - I remember that exact Chick Tract.

[@jowardseph]

Sounds familiar!

[@Johnnystorytime]

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

[@Catholiclady3]

Ooh! You got us! 😂😂😂😂 Obviously you haven't read much of the bible. Keep reading

[@cw-on-yt]

Really interesting, and encouraging. I've wondered whether there wasn't some role for the "contemporary praise & worship music" (or equivalent cultural expressions) in the Catholic Church, _outside_ of the Mass/Divine Liturgy, such that a culture which spontaneously creates such expressions of love for Christ could find a suitable expression within the Catholic Church. To be sure, some such songwriting efforts in the last 30 years of North American life have been musically or lyrically bad: Either artistically lame, or sometimes heretical. I can thus foresee some crusty "get off my lawn" type wishing for P&W music and more-affective expressions in prayer to be excluded from Catholic life altogether, not merely from Mass. But I think that would be an error. That a thing is sometimes done badly is not an argument for never doing it at all. (If it were, quite likely none of us would have ever been born. ** cough ** ) In a parallel way, Catholic statuary and small-scale devotional objects have often been artistically bad, or used in superstitious ways. Yet these things have found a normative expression in Catholic life wherein the superstitious uses are discouraged and the artistic "groaners" gradually get beat out of the market by better fare. Could not this same pattern hold true for music, as it already does for (sometimes kitschy) statuary? I hold that _if some outlet existed_ in normative parish life for music of the P&W variety -- think, perhaps, of parish Bible studies and Catechism classes -- then the artistic talents of Catholics could be encouraged in this direction _for the benefit of the Church._ As it is, parishoners able to sing or play in a popular style unsuited to Mass must channel their abilities into a bar-band, or volunteer as "ringers" in a Protestant P&W service. Is _that_ the best way to manage such gifts, really? To require that their use be stifled, or channeled into _anything but_ the service of the Church?

[@RedRiverMan]

Amen. Why not at Mass though? We do at my parish and it is just as reverent as a Latin Mass for the people who receive it.Most Catholics no longer have a practice of coming to church outside of sundays. There is a solemn praise and worship style that the Holy Spirit is waiting to create in the Catholic church, distinct even and adapted for our tadition. All the forms and practices of the Mass had some more practical reference at the times they came into the cannon of the Mass, from the Kyrie to the Agnus Dei to the washing of the hands by the priest. Catholics who don't receive this have parishes that can feed their spirits where they are. We have a fear of diversity in worship that can border on the idolatrous sometimes.I love the traditional ways but also I am fed by the newer traditions in worship as long as they are genuine and reverent and based in our faiths teachings.

[@kathywiens9852]

That was very well stated. 🙌

[@gtaylor178]

Try understanding, learning the Te Deum. The sacred music of Our Lord's Church is all there already it is from the treasury gathered by Pope Gregory the Great, that is the real praise and worship music not the music from Protestantism and the culture of "me, me me". Be still in the Presence and use Our Lord's Holy Church music which is already there to give honour and praise and glory to Almighty God, the Blessed Trinity.

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

Their enthusiasm is great and all. They seem lovely. But they’re bringing their Protestant habits and beliefs into the Catholic Church. There is no “laying on of hands” or giving “prophecies” to each other on Catholicism. Those are psychic tricks…not of God. Remember, Catholicism don’t interpret the Bible any way they want to …that’s Protestantism, Gnosticism and even New Age beliefs. Ironic how he pointed out the need for a pope to keep the church united. But they’re going off and doing their own wills under the guise of “unity.”

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

Can not edit grammar issues. YT has me banned and locked out for posting facts over the years….

[@TheCordialCatholic]

The charismatic movement is alive and well in Catholicism and nothing they said is contrary to the Catechism. 🙂

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

​@@TheCordialCatholic thanks for the reply. Can you please list any of the catechism paragraphs that specifically support these items? In order for Charismatic Catholicism to be called Catholic, it must still follow the catechism and Church teachings. Both within and without of the Mass… it can not add or modify things and still be called Catholic. This is explained in the Sancrosanctum Concilium of Vatican II. 1. Laying on of hands. In the OT, it was for the priesthood or paternal authority. And in the NT, it was only used for healing…and only done by the Apostles. Even exorcists do not lay on hands. Fr Ripperger confirms that laying on of hands for healing follows the structure of authority …. and thus should not be done by the laity unless one has family authority. *Paragraph 1597 says that the sacrament of Holy Orders is conferred by the laying on of hands.* 2. Prophesying for others. This can be meant or interpreted in numerous ways. It can mean anything from private revelation (which is revelation related to self, not others) …or it can be New Agism and psychic/spirit communication. Thus, it is too much of a complicated topic to discuss here. However, most practicing Catholics (& even many Protestants) would agree that allowing other people to tell them what the “Holy Spirit” wants them to know or do can be a slippery slope…there is no way to verify if its from Father God, or even a legit experience in the first place. *Paragraph 67 says it is the responsibility of the Church to discern and determine if a revelation is an authentic call of Christ or His saints.*

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

Laying on of hands and prophesying for others are both outside of the scope and responsibility of the followers of Christ. Are we Apostles? Do we have authority over others? Are we qualified to discern the Holy Spirit for others? These are uniquely Protestant. Most of whom believe it’s ok to “do whatever we want, and assume the holy spirit is guiding us.” Which is why there are thousands of Protestant denominations. Our job as Catholics is to be obedient and follow Church teachings. Because when we step outside of this, we risk making changes to church dogma and can lead others astray. Like Fr Reehill explains: if we follow the advice of the ordained Catholic priest…it’s the responsibility of the priest and we are protected. But if we follow the advice of the layperson…we ourselves are responsible. .

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

And please know that I don’t presume to know all the ins and outs of the church’s teachings. And I rarely post text about such topics since learning is a life-long process. But this particular topic needs to be considered deeply, the details researched, as it can potentially have some deeper long-term affects. For the laity as well as the church.

[@HannahClapham]

I always wonder why different people respond differently to the same information. I’ve spent the last dozen or so years doing a deep dive into Catholicism. The Catechism, of course, plus hundreds of articles and podcasts and KZbin videos and books and face-to-face chats. I live in a highly Catholic area, go to a Catholic Bible study, have lots of Catholic friends and neighbors. Most of what I have studied-tens of thousands of hours-has been from a Catholic perspective. I genuinely find it all rather fascinating…but not personally appealing or convincing. I am farther from converting now than when I began, quite a bit farther. I have tried to give Catholicism the benefit of the doubt, actually. In the final analysis, though, I just don’t find it to be true. I’ve shed a lot of misconceptions, but the realities that replaced them were oftentimes worse than the mistaken notions.

[@rushthezeppelin]

Curious what some of your bigger objections are if you don't mind sharing.

[@barborazajacova7633]

Sometimes it's better to stop overthinking. I'm like that too and I was told the same thing (not in this context, I am a cradle Catholic nowhere near to considering leaving, quite the opposite - getting deeper and deeper and more in love with the Church and the faith, the more I learn about it). There may be some emotional or spiritual aspect that's hindering you, not intellectual one. I'm very curious about what it takes to draw people to the Catholic faith so I've been listening to a lot of conversion testimonies and stories but many of them tend to be too much about the intellectual quest, trying to figure out everything, being able to agree with every little aspect of the faith intellectually, but there are also other aspects and ways... the most important of them is the relational aspect of loving Jesus and His Church. Truth is only one part of this. We get drawn to things of God also because of their beauty and goodness, not only because of them being true. Keep asking Jesus, where He wants you to be... He will show you, maybe in an unexpected way. Just follow Him wherever He leads. Like Mary said at the wedding at Cana - do whatever He tells you.

[@nancycaraballo116]

So surprising. I just don't get how you can be face to face with Jesus in the Eucharist and the historicity of the Church and not be completely in Awe. May God bless and enlighten you.

[@hanssvineklev648]

@@nancycaraballo116. There is both a historicity and an ahistoricity to the church. It’s a puzzle with all kinds of missing pieces (and pieces that are there which simply don’t fit). It’s difficult having to read between the lines, trying to figure out what transpired. Why did Rome stick tenaciously to the Apostolic deposit in some areas and veer completely off course in others?

[@hanssvineklev648]

@@barborazajacova7633. I, too, have listened to countless Catholic conversion stories. What strikes me about them-contrary to your observation-is how thoroughly emotional their basis is, almost without exception. Even the most intellectual ones do not seem to be motivated chiefly by reason. They lead with their heart….

[@R.C.425]

❤

[@rue883]

There is no divide, unless there is pride. Many years ago when I returned to the church, I took my family to an e-free church in the morning and Catholic mass at noon. We did this for months and months. My family was getting wary, and I was unwilling to choose. So I let God choose. I prayed, and prayed until I got an irrefutable answer. Don’t choose a church, let God choose for you.

[@marymargarette4289]

If you don't choose a Church which Christ himself build with the authority of His heavenly Father through His Apostle Simon Peter, then God won't choose you because God give your own free will. Luke 19:26 -Jesus said "I tell you, that to every one who has will, more be given; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27] but for these enemies of mine who did not want Me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before Me".

[@CathNcamo2]

I’m pretty sure “worshipping” with other religions is anathema… just saying

[@jennypucci7118]

I thought worship is the mass

[@jennypucci7118]

Isn’t worshipping the Mass

[@Catholiclady3]

​@@jennypucci7118You're making a joke, right? Very funny! 😂

[@lilyd5596]

@@jennypucci7118 “worship” means giving one his due worth. The Catholic Mass is worship of God. But not all worship is only the Mass.

[@MikeEShea]

@@lilyd5596But all worship involves sacrifice. So yeah...singing is not worship. It is praise. That's why we call it The Sacrifice of the Mass.

[@cm1799]

Why does someone has to say "like" so much?

[@suneesunee7576]

Wow i never heard this ""death cookies"" 😅😅😅😅 these protestant are really funny,, they are foolish and funny at the same time

[@michaelbledsoe4355]

Buddhism also attracts a lot of evangelicals who aren't actually born again Believer's but are just religious. More importantly they never fully committed to a life following Jesus. Biggest indicator is that they don't study their Bibles if they even have one or commit to a life of prayer. Following the church fathers who were not infallible or tradition rather than the Word of God is dangerous and this couple fell into the trap of the enemy.

[@abrahamphilip6439]

Individually maybe but when it comes to the difference between Catholicism & Protestantism Protestantism out of a rebellion, sunk in Sodom and Divorce, underscored in Gnosticism 1John 2;19, going about in Christian names, unto its many thousands of sects where one does not agree with the other, denotes the many parts that the body of Jezebel ended up torn by dogs, incidentally the source of the prophesied Apostasy theologically in the leavens of the Faith by Faith Only, that James specifically says is not unto mis interpretation Paul (the reason why Martin Luther rejected James cause it was a hinderance to his erranous view of redemption) & the philosophies that arise out of the leavens becomes to another Christ another Gospel Protestantism the Trojan horse of the Apostasy Give unto God what is to God-- FAITH, without which it is not possible to please God, but surely not a Leavened/Corrupted Faith as in Protestantism's "Faith Only" The only reason for the 2nd temple was for the Messiah to enter it, finding it Corrupted made & used a whip to overturn the TABLES, The tables of the leavens of the Pharisees (Jews) & Herod (Gentiles) Unto his warning " Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees & Herod, The leaven of the LAW/FAITH resp-- ,

[@irisbristow2977]

Did they also read about the inquisition.😊

[@OzCrusader]

Tell me how the Inquisition is going to make Caleb and Natali deny the historical Catholic Church, founded by Our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ, Who gave His authority to the Catholic Church to teach and govern, bind and loose. Tell me what can possibly change their minds.

[@rosaspiteri1960]

Most probably, yes. Just as everybody reads about Judas betraying Our Lord. When you read about Judas (and Peter), do you debate whether you should leave Christianity because, you think, Jesus should have known what two out of twelve apostles were going to do?

[@jacobwoods6153]

The inquisition!? Based!!!

[@blancasuarezrealtor]

Where was your church during the Inquisition?

[@vastalapasta9739]

Corruption doesn’t prove the Catholic church wasn’t the church founded be christ. Protestants are also guilty of executing others for their faith

[@anthonyfowler2623]

Jackie van tine is good she’s a Protestant but maybe you can give her a little bit of a talking to

[@sbaker8971]

Reasons im not a catholic There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.) “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) These are de fide, ex cathedra dogmas of Faith. They are the measure. Every teachiing on salvation must conform to them. As Vatican I defined “definitions are by their very nature irreformable.” It is a terrible sin against charity (and truth) to give an impression, nevermind direct assurance, that non-Catholics can be saved without converting. Everyone gets the help of grace to see the true Faith and seek baptism. That is clear from scripture. Saint Alphonsus was saying nothing really new in bringing forth TRUE devotion to Mary, and perseverance therein, as a sign of salvation. Anyone who refuses to believe in Our Lady’s defined titles, and refuses to say the angelic prayer the Hail Mary cannot be saved in that state. Mary’s intercession is not only useful but necessary for salvation: St. Alphonsus Liguori. St. Alphonsus de Liguori IT is impossible for clients of Mary to be damned, if they faithfully honor her and commend themselves to her. St. Anselm "Just as it is impossible for persons to be saved who have no devotion to Mary and are not protected by her, so it is impossible for any who recommend themselves to her, and are therefore watched over by her, to be lost St. Albert the Great: All those who are not your servants, O Mary, shall perish. St. Bonaventure: Those who neglect our Lady will die in their sins. Those who do not call on you in life will never get to Heaven. St. Ephrem calling devotion to our Blessed Lady the charter (or passport) to liberty, and Mary herself the protectress of the damned. Mary has both the power and the will to save us. Father Alfonso Alvarez claimed the devil told him to "Give up your devotion to Mary, and I will leave you alone." St. Catherine of Siena claimed God told her, "No one, not even sinners, who devoutly recommend themselves to her, would ever fall into Hell" Blessed Henry Suso I put his soul in Mary's hands. Therefore, if his Judge wished to condemn him to Hell, her most loving hands would have to handle the sentence. St. Bonaventure: "In you, O Lady, I have placed all my hopes." I have therefore the utmost assurance that I shall never be lost, but shall praise and love you forever in Heaven. St. Antonine let all tremble for their salvation who make but small account of their devotion to the Mother of God, or grow careless and give it up: it is impossible for anyone not protected by Mary to be saved

[@tim_w]

Hiiii… hey … keith

[@Truth2ber]

Nothing can compare to the smooth operation of a group that has been focussed on building cohesive unity for thousands of years. So the feelings, connections and more feelings are the drivers…I get that. The fact that Yeshua taught adult baptism, is not mentioned at all, which memorializes and represents the crucifixion of our flesh (feelings), and JOHN 6:63 perfectly clarifies the fact that the elements of the Communion represent that crucifixion of our flesh and the NEW SPIRITUAL LIFE WE RECEIVE FROM the Lamb of God: “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are SPIRIT and life." Of course, the “hocus-pocus” being taught about the Eucharist is THE INVERSE OPPOSITE OF DOING AWAY WITH THE FLESH BY CRUCIFIXION AND IMPARTING THE HOLY SPIRIT! The Eucharist teaches that inanimate bread and wine become physical flesh and blood! So-This is the opposite of what Jesus taught! Not to mention their total rejection of the 2nd and 4th commandments, et al. Selah Read Isaiah65, 1John, Rev14:12 and Rev19.

[@michaelbledsoe4355]

So now that you are Catholic you must be Baptized in the church that Jesus founded to be saved. Here's the problem: If baptism is necessary for salvation, why would Paul have said, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius” (1 Corinthians 1:14)? Why would he have said, “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power” (1 Corinthians 1:17)? Granted, in this passage Paul is arguing against the divisions that plagued the Corinthian church. However, how could Paul possibly say, “I am thankful that I did not baptize…” or “For Christ did not send me to baptize…” if baptism were necessary for salvation? If baptism is necessary for salvation, Paul would literally be saying, “I am thankful that you were not saved…” and “For Christ did not send me to save…” That would be an unbelievably ridiculous statement for Paul to make. Further, when Paul gives a detailed outline of what he considers the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-8), why does he neglect to mention baptism? If baptism is a requirement for salvation, how could any presentation of the gospel lack a mention of baptism? Does Acts 2:38 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does John 3:5 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does Acts 22:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Does Galatians 3:27 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Baptism does not save from sin but from a bad conscience. In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter clearly taught that baptism was not a ceremonial act of physical purification, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. Baptism is the symbol of what has already occurred in the heart and life of one who has trusted Christ as Savior (Romans 6:3-5; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12). Baptism is an important step of obedience that every Christian should take. Baptism cannot be a requirement for salvation. To make it such is an attack on the sufficiency of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

[@MikeEShea]

This is a modern invention. Baptism is necessary for salvation. Period. And for 1600 years, no other Christian thought otherwise.

[@donhaddix3770]

rcc is losing more than it gains

[@gtaylor178]

Pray that Our Lord grants Francis a Pauline Conversion before his coming death and judgement, although he posts that hell is not real he will feel the reality very soon of he does not repent his wickedness. Pray for his sinister soul to be redeemed.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

The Pope has never said that Hell is not real. Quit lying through your teeth and spreading that sordid calumny against the Pope. Get to confession. Go to the source documents. Don't cherry-pick. Don't believe everything you see on the internet. Until then, may God have mercy on you.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

Protestant response. Maybe I am wrong here (it wouldn’t be the first time) but this adorable couple seem to speak of Christian unity solely in terms of union with the Roman Catholic Church as if that is what true unity looks like, namely that we all become Roman Catholic. If that is indeed their point,then I must respectfully disagree. Building bridges of understanding among Christians is a very admirable goal. Building bridges so that you can then convert someone to your particular Christian tradition is not what building bridges should be about. ALL believers in Christ already are united in a real sense not a theoretical one. Believers are united together, with Christ, who is our head, forming a real, living, spiritual organism. We aren’t united to Christ individually; we are united to him corporately. We belong together, and together, we belong to Christ. I think sometimes in ecumenical debates we loose sight of that. Through our union with Jesus Christ through faith, all believers enjoy fellowship with all His people-those who are alive today as well as those who have already gone on to glory. As a Christian, when I am worshiping Christ, when I am in church on Sunday morning, I am enjoying fellowship with Christ, and by the Spirit, I am communing with Jesus. But you, as you visit your church on Sunday morning-which may be a different denomination and may be in a different town from where I live-you also are enjoying fellowship with Christ. Since Christ is able to be present at your church and at mine, and I am linked to Him and you are linked to Him, there is the communion of us together. But that communion is not only a communion of saints living, but we who are united to Christ in this world, also, in at least a mystical sense, are communing with those who have gone before us who are alive and present and abiding in Christ.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@katiestover8954 to present the Gospel to the lost should be their goal. No one enters Christ church who are not united to Christ through faith. Sorry but Christ’s church is not confined to Roman Catholicism. ALL the redeemed are fully incorporated into Christ’s church by virtue of their union with Christ. Christ’s church can be seen in the world wherever Christians gather (according to the mind of Christ) to proclaim the Gospel and offer praise to God through Word and Sacrament.

[@EpoRose1]

The Catholic Church is the True Church. (Not “Roman Catholic” btw- you ignore all the other rites in the Catholic Church when you call it that.)

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@EpoRose1 You are conflating the Holy Catholic Church of which Christ is the head with your church. The two are not one and the same. Christ’s one true church is not and never has been confined to those who follow the Pope. The Pope (whose seat is in Rome), can have all the rites he wants. Christ’s one church consists of all the redeemed not just the followers of the Pope. Christ’s one true church is present in the world wherever Christians gather (according to the mind of Christ) to proclaim the Gospel and worship God through Word and Sacrament not just local churches bound to the Pope. There are true Christians and true churches in all Christian traditions. Your view is extrembly sectarian and contradicts scripture and history.

[@danielbroache]

@@paulsmallwood1484Let us unite in the Eucharist!

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@@danielbroache All believers are already united together, with Christ, who is our head. Through our union with Jesus Christ through faith, all believers enjoy fellowship with all His people-those who are alive today as well as those who have already gone on to glory. I commune with Christ in Holy Communion on a regular basis as do millions of my fellow believers around the world

[@EricAlHarb]

Not to throw shade on my Latin brethren, but the fullest expression of the Catholic Church is Orthodoxy.

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

What does the Orthodox Church teach about the sacrament of Baptism? They have no consistency on this important sacrament.

[@joenguyen9475]

Virtually every orthodox residing church is control fully or nominally by Muslims with the exception of Greece, Romania and Serbia.. I would consider Russia is nominally influence by Islam..

[@joenguyen9475]

Unfortunately and sadly, Orthodox Church exerts close to zero influence in the world..

[@lilyd5596]

Orthodox churches can’t even agree amongst their own priests what the “fullest expression of the Catholic Church” is.

[@RandyRoth-mo3lz]

Catholicism is the first of many denominations.... Every denomination started with a move of God.... then man took over control... so God had to make another move... It's as simple as that.

[@srich7503]

History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

[@Catholiclady3]

That's not what the bible says

[@rexlion4510]

So sad to see this evangelical couple become deceived and fall into sin. Clement of Alexandria wrote: "The flesh figuratively represents to us the Holy Spirit; for the flesh was created by Him. The blood points out to us the Word, for as rich blood the Word has been infused into life; and the union of both is the Lord, the food of the babes-the Lord who is Spirit and Word. The food- that is, the Lord Jesus-that is, the Word of God, the Spirit made flesh, the heavenly flesh sanctified…” And this: “Elsewhere the Lord, in the Gospel according to John, brought this out by symbols, when He said: ‘Eat ye my flesh, and drink my blood;’ describing distinctly by metaphor the drinkable properties of faith and the promise ...” And this: “Thus in many ways the Word is figuratively described, as meat, and flesh, and food, and bread, and blood, and milk.” We should not doubt that Clement viewed the Eucharist as a Sacrament, and yet he described the Sacrament as figurative, as representative, as symbols, and as a descriptive metaphor. This is the historically sound and healthy way to view the Sacrament of Communion. The Eucharist speaks to us richly in symbolic terms, as a sign of what God has done for us in Christ and of who He has made us in Christ. Receiving the Eucharist should stir up our faith and should strengthen our resolve to live for Christ, as we 'replay' in our minds the incredible sacrifice He endured to reconcile us to Himself. When we eat the bread and drink the cup, "we proclaim the Lord's death" and His resurrection. This remembrance and proclamation of faith is the main purpose of the Sacrament. It was not intended that we view bits of bread as "God in the flesh" so that we worship wafers and attempt to ingest God (as if the vast Almighty Creator in physical form could ever fit inside our infinitesimally small mouths). Jesus did not require us to eat the bread and drink the cup for the purpose of receiving grace, or of receiving His Presence. All Jesus said was, "Do this in remembrance of me." Any Christian who takes communion in remembrance of Jesus and who recognizes the consecrated, ceremonial nature of the bread and wine (not eating them to fill the belly) is in compliance with Jesus' admonition and purpose. Thus, even 'memorialists' partake of a valid communion. Believing in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist is perfectly fine, though. The Anglicans and Lutherans believe that, also. But as a former cradle Catholic, now a Christian attending an Anglican parish, after much study I have learned that the doctrine of Transubstantiation is false and leads Catholics into idolatry of the host. The early church believed and taught that the substances of bread and wine, when consecrated, continue to exist as bread and wine. Transubstantiation teaches that the bread and wine substances cease to exist but for the accidents, and that those substances are transformed into the physical flesh and physical blood of Jesus. Pope Gelasius: “The sacrament of the body and blood of Christ, which we receive, is a divine thing, because by it we are made partakers of the divine nature. *Yet the substance or nature of the bread and wine do not cease.* And assuredly *the image and similitude of the body and blood of Christ* are celebrated in the performance of the mysteries” (Adversus Eutychen et Nestorium, 14) Theodoret: “The mystical tokens or sacraments after the Consecration, depart not from their own nature: for *they remain still in their former substance,* and form, and figure.” Chrysostom: “The very body of Christ itself is not in the holy vessels, but the mystery or Sacrament thereof is there contained.” And, “The nature of bread remaineth in the Sacrament.” Augustine wrote much on this subject: “Our Lord doubted not to say, This is my Body, when he gave a token of his body.” “Christ took Judas unto his table, whereat he gave unto his Disciples the figure of his body.” “Unless Sacraments had a certain likeness of the things of which they be sacraments, then indeed they were no Sacraments. And of this likeness oftentimes they bear the names of the things themselves that are *represented by* the sacraments.” “In sacraments we must consider, not what they be,” (in substance and nature,) “but what they signify.” “It is a dangerous matter, and a servitude of the soul, to take the sign instead of the thing that is signified.” “If it be a speech that commandeth, either by forbidding an horrible wickedness, or requiring that which is profitable, it is not figurative: but if it seem to require horrible wickedness, and to forbid what is good and profitable, it is spoken figuratively. Except ye eat (saith Christ) the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. He seemeth to require the doing of that which is horrible, or most wicked: *it is a figure, therefore,* commanding us to communicate with the passion of Christ, and comfortably and profitably to lay up in our remembrance, that his flesh was crucified and wounded for us.” “It is a more horrible thing to eat man’s flesh, than to kill it: and to drink man’s blood, than it is to shed it.” “Believe in Christ, and thou hast eaten Christ. For, believing in Christ is the eating of the bread of life.” Moreover, Augustine made the point that Jesus has ascended into heaven and, according to Scripture, will not be seen again on earth until the Second Advent; at that time, "every eye shall see Him" coming in the clouds. Augustine wrote: “According to the flesh that the word received : according to that he was born of the Virgin : according to that he was taken of the Jews : according to that he was nailed to the Cross : according to that he was taken down, and lapt in a shroud, and laid in the grave, and rose again, and showed himself. In this respect it is true that he said : Ye shall not evermore have me with you.” “Until the world be ended, the Lord is above: yet notwithstanding even here is the truth of the Lord. For the body wherein he rose again must needs be in one place.” Vigilius said likewise: “The flesh of Christ when it was in earth, was not in heaven : and now, because it is in heaven, doubtless it is not on earth.” (Against Eutychus) Athanasius agreed with this: “Unto how many men could Christ’s body have sufficed, that he should be the food of all the world ? Therefore he made mention of his ascension into heaven, that he might *withdraw them from corporal and fleshly understanding.”* But Roman Catholics continue to engage in "corporal and fleshly understanding" of the Eucharist! Exo 20:4,5 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them..." Lev 26:1 "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God." The Israelites created a calf of gold, declared it to be Almighty God, and worshiped it. As punishment, Moses had the calf ground up and made the people ingest the gold. The Roman Catholics create wafers of bread, declare them to be Almighty God, raise them up in monstrances and worship them. Then they ingest the bread. By RC Tradition, RCs violate God's commandment to not make a likeness of Him and to not worship man-made objects. Jesus would never have told His followers to make or worship an object that was said to be Him. Nor would He have wanted them to literally drink blood, an act that is explicitly forbidden (see Gen. 9:4 and Acts 15, for example). Transubstantiation teaches Catholics to worship bread wafers as God and to do what Scripture condemns. That is the main reason why I can never again, in good conscience, receive Roman Catholic Communion.

[@ignatiusjackson235]

You silly Prots cherry-pick the Church Fathers worse than you cherry-pick the Bible. Try reading the rest of the chapters in question! 😂

[@chysostomos407]

I would prefer that you refrain from attributing your blasphemies to my confirmation saint, St. John Chrysostom. I doubt you know anything about him or his life, much less any of the other saints you are using to back up your false claims. Below I will place some quotes showing St. John's unwavering faith in Christ's transubstantial presence, as well as the citations which you decided not to provide. I will not bother to address the other saints you mentioned because you have proven yourself to speak either from ignorance, or a less than Christ-like motive. "I wish to add something that is plainly awe-inspiring, but do not be astonished or upset. This Sacrifice, no matter who offers it, be it Peter or Paul, is always the same as that which Christ gave His disciples and which priests now offer: The offering of today is in no way inferior to that which Christ offered, because it is not men who sanctify the offering of today; it is the same Christ who sanctified His own. For just as the words which God spoke are the very same as those which the priest now speaks, so too the oblation is the very same." from "Homilies on the Second Epistle to Timothy," 2,4, c. 397 A.D. "It is not the power of man which makes what is put before us the Body and Blood of Christ, but the power of Christ Himself who was crucified for us. The priest standing there in the place of Christ says these words but their power and grace are from God. 'This is My Body,' he says, and these words transform what lies before him." from "Homilies on the Treachery of Judas" 1,6; d. 407 A.D.

[@filiamaria8]

This conclusion is so sad, because God is the only one not bound by space and time. And when He commanded Do this, and say it is His body and Blood, why make it so like God can't do something like this? and why he made it this way? 😢 and even the real translations is not just about it being a symbol either. As God, This One sacrifice is eternally offered to the Father for the salvation of all even for all the generations to come. If you are wrong in your preconceptions and misinterpretations, your soul is missing so much by receiving the body and blood of Christ in the Eucharist Search more in your heart and have an open mind. Do not cherry pick please...Most of these saints you mentioned have a lot of commentaries and homilies archived in the Catholic church who believe in the Real presence of the Holy Eucharist. Also, Try the Jewish roots of the Eucharist by Brant Pitre. God bless your journey.

[@rexlion4510]

@@filiamaria8 You wrote: "This One sacrifice is eternally offered to the Father for the salvation of all" Are you saying that Jesus' sacrifice is ongoing and never-ending? That doesn't seem right. Jesus said on the cross, "It is finished." Hebrews says He now sits at the Father's right hand; one does not sit down while there is work to be done, so when it says He is seated it tells us that the sacrifice is finished and complete. You wrote: "Do not cherry pick please" Why don't you tell that to your denomination, the church of Rome? They cherry-picked which parts of the early fathers' writings they would use, and which parts they would ignore. They ignore the parts I've quoted, so they can present a theological viewpoint that keeps you, the layperson, tied to them emotionally and contributing financially. The Catholic clergy have a vested interest in obtaining your support, because you help keep them fed, clothed, and housed. They are not a neutral, unbiased source of what the early church taught & believed. You wrote: "Most of these saints you mentioned have a lot of commentaries and homilies archived in the Catholic church who believe in the Real presence of the Holy Eucharist." You are not seeing the distinction between Real Presence and Roman Catholic Transubstantiation. Although the early writings can be seen as support for the Real Presence doctrine, those writings contradict Transubstantiation doctrine (which says that the bread and wine cease to be substantially bread and wine, as they become in substance the _flesh and blood_ and soul and deity of Jesus). We can recognize the Body and Blood (the Real Presence) of Christ in the Eucharist without going to the extreme of Transubstantiation. *As has been written on catholic dot com, "The doctrine of the Real Presence is necessarily contained in the doctrine of transubstantiation, but the doctrine of transubstantiation is not necessarily contained in the Real Presence. Christ could become really present without transubstantiation taking place..."* Tens (if not hundreds) of millions of Christians around the globe believe in the Real Presence and yet believe that the bread and wine endure as bread and wine in addition to becoming for us, Sacramentally, Christ's Body and Blood. Thus they do not worship the wafers because in all good conscience they believe it would be idolatrous. So even when you believe that Christ is Really Present in the Eucharist, it is a sin to direct your worship toward the bread, or even toward the _image of bread._ For even if you believe that the bread is no longer bread in substance, the _image or appearance_ of bread remains, and no Christian should render worship toward images formed by the hand of man. Roman Catholic Eucharistic doctrine is wrong; it teaches the laity to engage in sinful idolatry toward a man-made image of bread (or, if the early churchmen are right, toward bread itself).

[@richardjackson7887]

1 Peter 1:3-7 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. 5. Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 7. That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15. But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16. Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19. But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 23 KJV Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25. But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. 1 Peter 2:2 KJV As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 1 Peter 3:12 KJV For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. (putting anyone or anything in Gods will that he never put their, no one can be like God or speak in place of God, their is only ONE) 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 4:1-2 KJV Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2. That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13. But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18. And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19. Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 1 Peter 5:10-11 KJV But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. So you think that eating the Body of Christ which is his Church is going to save you? Then you have no faith in what God did for you! Faithless! So you think God is pleased with you by taking his glory by praying to others like a thief that climbs the wall to avoid the door? You had no choice in your first birth (good thing legal abortion wasn't around then!) But you think one can be born of! ! God by pouring water on someone! You must think you can flap your arms and fly too!

[@TheCordialCatholic]

Say what?

[@richardjackson7887]

@@TheCordialCatholic The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD. 5. There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous. 6. Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge. 1. LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill? 2. He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.

[@richardjackson7887]

@@TheCordialCatholic Seems only Gods children understand their Father for he teaches his children ,not those that are not his!

[@richardjackson7887]

@@TheCordialCatholic Gods children look to and only believe their Father for those not of his family are thieves and liars!

[@vastalapasta9739]

Under ordinary circumstances , the faithful reception of the Eucharist is necessary for salvation for those who have reached the age of reason, as Jesus makes clear in John 6: The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.” This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum. Also it’s important to note that receiving Christ in the Eucharist forgives venial sins(lesser sins) The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains, “As bodily nourishment restores lost strength, so the Eucharist strengthens our charity, which tends to be weakened in daily life; and this living charity wipes away venial sins” (CCC 1394). However, the reception of the Eucharist does not forgive mortal sins, so a person who is conscious of mortal sin must go to confession before receiving communion. So in a sense the Eucharist doesn’t save us in the same sense other sacraments do. It is needed for us to abide in Christ and for spiritual nourishment. Also Scripture teaches people are born again in baptism. The phrase translated “born again” occurs in John 3:3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (KJV). In Greek the phrase involves a pun. The word for “again” is anōthen, which can mean either “again” or “from above.” The point is one must receive a second birth and this birth must be from God. Context reveals how the second birth occurs. Clarifying his initial statement, Jesus tells Nicodemus, “unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). The reference to water and the action of the Spirit indicates baptism (John 1:33). Jesus expects Nicodemus to already be familiar with this concept (John 3:10), suggesting an Old Testament background to his teaching. Thus Ezekiel 36:25-27 says that at the restoration of Israel God will sprinkle clean water on people, give them a new heart, and put his Spirit within them so they may keep his commandments, all of which point to Christian baptism. Further, in the verse immediately after Jesus’ discussion with Nicodemus, John tells us: “After this Jesus and his disciples went into the land of Judea; there he remained with them and baptized” (John 3:22). This, in turn, is followed by a controversy sparked by Jesus beginning to baptize (John 3:23-4:3). The conversation with Nicodemus sets up the controversy. All this indicates being “born again” in baptism. This is confirmed by other passages, which link the reception of new life and regeneration to baptism. Thus Paul tells the Romans: “Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life” (Rom. 6:3-4). And Paul tells Titus that “he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit” (Titus 3:5).