ATC Communications Tutorial with a Pro Pilot and Real Air Traffic Controller - MSFS

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

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[@NoDakExpress]

Great video, this was fun to do!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I agree. I really like the finished product.

[@flightsimalaska2251]

I liked this one, great job!! I think I may have learned something :) also the pacing was really nice, I sometimes think the speed and clarity for total neophytes like myself makes it seem like an impossible mountain.

[@semvandongen1671]

I love both of your videos!

[@braedenfischer6018]

I like your words funny dog man

[@captaintoyota3171]

Nodak prolly heard you at Kci before. Love the idea of this

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

We did not cover every scenario with ATC in this video. What would you like to see in a future video? ATC communications with missed approaches, holds, etc? Let us know!

[@ClintThrust-e8r]

An entire video of holds would be great, especially including navigraph. I still don’t understand what half the charts are for, even though I’ve watched your series

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@ClintThrust-e8r I did a video on holds and all the hold entries a couple months ago. I have not done one with Navigraph. I can add that to my list.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@ClintThrust-e8r Which charts?

[@flightsimalaska2251]

Missed approaches would be good. I get that now and then in the sim and have no idea how to proceed. Strategies for dealing with it in the sim would be awesome.!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@flightsimalaska2251 I have been wanting to do a video on missed approaches for a while. Having ATC interaction would be very helpful and make it even more realistic. FSX had missed approach procedures. They can be done anywhere on FS2020 manually except on RNAV approaches with GPS waypoints for the missed approach procedure.

[@EthanFilms]

As someone who doesn't fly real planes, I think that knowing the ATC lingo and how to communicate with them is the most impressive part of aviation

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Talking to ATC was one of the most intimidating parts of learning to fly back in the day. Now, I would rather go to an airport with a control tower than without.

[@brice.coates]

Wow i'm lost but intrigued. You and NoDak did great!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. That was a fun video to do.

[@rk5218]

Pleasure meeting you today!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Ditto. Good luck on that instrument rating!

[@joshuaclark1461]

POV it's three AM and you saw a talking dog tell you to watch ATC videos. Nice.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I am guessing The Roog never leads people astray at any time of day, just cats.

[@weepingeye]

Excellent vid. Thank you. I'm really glad I came across your channel. For me the vids are well presented, nice and clear, contextual, and probably biggest thing for me, you're not skipping steps on your way to making a point. That's the single most confusing and frustrating piece I find in some others. Thanks again, well done, keep 'em coming. Hope your channel grows in 2021. I would like to understand holds and go arounds a bit better - particularly doing them on the fly in the Working Title CJ4.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I started this channel in an effort to teach simmers how to fly the way we do in the real world. I try to keep it as accurate as I can but errors will be made. There is a video on holds that I made a few months ago. It's very detailed. You can see it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqDJXmiioLiBr7M The Working TItle Mod will program holds but I have seen it mess up entries and they are aware of it. I will do a video on go arounds soon. There are a lot of videos I want to make but I love requests from viewers.

[@youkofoxy]

Now a question, why ATC uses the same "mic" as people on airplanes or helicopters?

[@NoDakExpress]

The headsets and mechanism is a bit different for controllers. The controllers almost all wear a small earpiece with a tiny mic boom that goes beside their mouth. Much smaller and more simple than the common headsets used in general aviation.

[@dennyrulos4847]

They don't

[@jonathangreenshields7202]

I love this, it really shows how much ATC and the pilot need to be paying attention to

[@bluesfool1]

That was great. After a while you start to know what they’re going to tell you and as long as you hear what you’re expecting it’s good. I guess when you get the unexpected you just deal with it as best as you can, and remember I think you can always say unable.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Precisely. Talking to ATC gets easier the more you do it. If you say unable they may get upset or say put your compass on E and leave my airspace. I usually say unable when the airplane can’t do what they are asking due to a limitation. There is another video like this using PilotEdge on the channel.

[@DarkMatterX1]

KC International is hilarious. There's cows all over the place just off the side of the airfield. You expect them to drag a jetway out to the plane with a tractor or combine.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Yeah kci used to be great airport. Ez to get through they r rebuilding it now-k.c. native

[@cosmicelement282]

Idk what but it is so soothing for some reason

[@Ron-cz8bt]

Highly appreciate TCPD and NoDak taking their time to show us how to communicate and navigate. Thumbs up, subbed.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

NoDak is a very helpful guy. His videos are hilarious. Especially the short he made for this video.

[@turbulanceeco1a246]

God it sounds like flying to riverside. Good job guys. Although that's to be expected from pros. Throughly enjoyed 👍

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Glad you liked it. That video was fun to make. I plan on doing more like that. Showing procedures is nice, but having what a person would hear from ATC along with the procedures makes it even better and takes more mystery out of it. I would have loved to have had videos like this when I was doing flight training back in the mid 90s.

[@TheSpectralFX]

Great content. Thanks a lot!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I am glad you liked it. It's a good overview for the pilot wanting to do an instrument flight on what to say and expect from ATC. When I was learning to fly in the late 90s I would have LOVED to have had a resource like this video and others on KZbin. Back then we were lucky to get a VHS tape that would put us to sleep in the first 30 minutes.

[@brunoais]

11:31 That "clear to land" was really early. Was the airport almost empty or just no other meaningful traffic?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

It was a demonstration of ATC communication. There isn’t a set distance on being cleared to land.

[@brunoais]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Good point. It's good as it is, however, I just think it would have been better if done more realistically, where the clear to land is given about 2-3 mins before landing (on a low traffic airport)

[@sergey79]

Good vid as always!

[@brendanr2119]

This is really great, could you do one for VFR/GA flights?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I would like to, but it would be the pilot saying which direction they want to depart, a squawk code being given, and then traffic alerts (if any). When reaching the edge of the airspace they would say radar services terminated, squawk VFR.

[@PsuPepperoni]

I've been to MKC but my CFI says we'll try a landing at MCI before I finish my PPL. Can't wait to see those runways in a 150 haha

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I'm sure they'll be excited to see you too on a busy day. Haha. Honestly, you should get comfortable with big airports in a busy environment. I used to not like towered airports and now I don't like uncontrolled airports as much. I really appreciate air traffic controllers and what they do.

[@UnknownArt_K]

Question why do i see you change oil and fuel mixture constantly

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

It was a short flight, I leaned it during cruise to rich of peak (so I had to see the EGT peak, then watch for a 50 temperature degree drop as I enrichened the mixture), then enrichened the mixture in the descent. Leaning the mixture only reduces the amount of fuel to match the reduced amount of air at higher altitudes for proper combustion. It does nothing with oil.

[@RangerDink]

@@thecorporatepilotdad as if the communication wasn’t complicated enough

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@RangerDink In other words, I gave the airplane a proper sized drink of gas and then gave it an extra sip just to make sure it was properly hydrated.

[@John.McMillan]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Not gonna lie, Thats actually a fairly good description.

[@krow1551]

Thanks!

[@jakew9887]

Good Video. Thanks

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

You are very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@auroradoesntknow]

Question: Would you suggest becoming an air traffic controller?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

That all depends on you. Do you have a passion for it? It can be a fantastic job but extremely stressful, horrible hours, moving to where they need controllers, not where you want to go, and keeping a medical certificate like a pilot. If you are interested in it, I would say look into it and try it. The pay is good but any job that has good pay has that good pay for a reason. You're earning your money and there is a reason they have to pay a lot to get people to do it. There are colleges that have ATC programs. Here is a link with colleges that have ATC programs: www.universities.com/programs/air-traffic-controller-degrees @NoDak Express Gaming helped me make this video and he played the part of ATC and is a former controller. He would be a good resource to talk to directly from someone that lived the dream.

[@auroradoesntknow]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Thank you so much! I will definitely look into it!

[@FlyingDeacon]

Is this a legacy aircraft or one that came with FS2020? I’ve flown mainly just the TBM & C208 so far.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

The airplane in the main part of the video is the Carenado PA-44. I highly recommend it if you're like me and like back to basics panels with steam gauges and multi-engine aircraft.

[@xXQuick123Xx]

I like this

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

thumbs up

[@binks9600]

Wow very hard to picture what it’s like great video thanks

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Thank you. Talking to ATC when I was learning to fly was one of the most intimidating things about learning to fly as it is for many.

[@bidelain3762]

Question.... when do you tell ATC you want to end the pushback that your AI... errr.... "Co-Pilot" requested?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I wish I had the answer for that but I do not use ATC in FS2020. I turn it off as fast as I can.

[@ColinDyckes]

Good to hear a real ATC using phonetic pronunciation properly. Don't pilots do the same in America (they do in the rest of the world)?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Yes. Pilots around the world all use the same phonetic alphabet derived by ICAO in the late 1950s. Prior to this change, there was Alpha, Baker, and Charlie in the United States. Baker became Bravo and Sugar became Sierra asking several other changes that can be found in a Google search. This change eliminated confusion from similar sounding words.

[@ColinDyckes]

@@thecorporatepilotdad Thanks, but I was really commenting on the numbers where zero, won, too, tree, fower, fife .. niner seem alien to American pilots though ATC use them correctly.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@ColinDyckes we are supposed to say the numbers correctly as in tree, fower, and fife, etc. Some use the proper pronunciation and some do not.

[@skykibo7289]

Do an air to air encounter!

[@bentley6028]

Question! Would you say it'd be easier to learn how to fly with not alot of airtime (2 flights whole life im 28!) vs someone whose used to flying leanring to fly (getting their pilots license)

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Anyone with previous experience would have an easier time learning to fly. Relearning the skill is easier than learning it the first time.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Kci to Rosecrans!!!! My stomping ground

[@thesteaksaignant]

How do you know which taxiway is which and whether you should turn left or right when they say e.g "via bravo and alpha" Do you have a map of the airport ?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

There are taxiway signs but I also have Navigraph on the iPad in front of me. It has live ship position so I can pull up the airport diagram and see where I am on the chart as well as other charts and enroute maps worldwide. From there I knew where I was going. If unfamiliar pilots can ask for a progressive taxi and the controller will give turn by turn directions. We have the same setup in the jets I fly in the real world. It is a different app but the charts are identical and made by Jeppesen as well.

[@thesteaksaignant]

@@thecorporatepilotdad thanks for the detailed answer ! And the great vid of course

[@doritos-r6]

Asking for a progressive taxi on vatsim , I've found is the quickest way to annoy ground lol. " do you have charts ?"

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@doritos-r6 I have Navigraph on my iPad and it shows ship position on the chart. That's the only way to go.

[@doritos-r6]

@@thecorporatepilotdad oh I know , I ment the common response I've gotten when I've asked for a taxi.... expecially at a busy pad like Kord or Klax

[@schwachsinn561]

Is this papa alpha delta stuff rlly part of the job as an civilian atc

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Do you mean the phonetic alphabet?

[@JamesJohnson-iw9dh]

Is it possable to play as ATC in this game ( ie. fsx ATC)?.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

As far as I know only if you play as a controller on VatSim.

[@4thmonitorion731]

It kinda sounds a bit realistic, And the mic/sound affect from the ATC sounds good with NoDak, Still tho, The first person makes me have anxiety, Thats why I never fly passenger planes in games, So I play Millitary jets

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

We made it as realistic as we could. It just takes practice. I used to despise taking to ATC. It's a totally normal thing now that doesn't cause anxiety or nervousness.

[@qinghuazhang9865]

I am a simmer and how/where can I find the real people ATC in US flight for flight simulator ATC communications? Thanks

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Do you mean a service that uses real controllers for ATC in MSFS?

[@qinghuazhang9865]

Yes. Thanks

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@qinghuazhang9865 If you want ultra realistic with real controllers and proper phraseology use PilotEdge (around $20/month). If you want good but not great phraseology use Vatsim which is free.

[@qinghuazhang9865]

Thanks a lot. For paid real ATC services, not AI, besides PilotEdge, do you know any other platform to do this? Or ATC communication course with real people, not the video course. Thanks

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@qinghuazhang9865 PilotEdge is the only one that uses real controllers/highly trained individuals who focus on procedures and phraseology. Their focus is training and not entertainment.

[@charlesruas1223]

how we can install this type of interaction with real ATC ?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

PilotEdge. They charge for their service but I tried it a few nights ago and it's spot on. They have a trial for 5 hours on their network or 14 days, whichever is first.

[@charlesruas1223]

@@thecorporatepilotdadok, thanks for your answer

[@charlesruas1223]

@@thecorporatepilotdad and do you have some advise for a beginer like me who have learned the french reglementation? please

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@charlesruas1223 get the Airman's Information Manual by the FAA. It is free online and it has a section on phraseology and ATC communication. In addition to that, find live ATC online and listen to each position (clearance, ground, tower, departure/approach control).

[@charlesruas1223]

@@thecorporatepilotdad thank you very much, do you know if there are some discord server to discuss with pilot ?

[@Moonmoonmurica]

Hey you took off from my home airport! Please visit again!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Sweet. We did that because the guy that helped me with the video used to be a controller there.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

I did do an approach in another video in the CJ4 (Working Title Mod) to MCI.

[@Moonmoonmurica]

Wait nodak used work at KCI? He may be closer to me than i thought. Anyways, thanks for the great video! Also squawk means repeat right?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@Moonmoonmurica squawk means put the 4 digit code in the transponder.

[@Moonmoonmurica]

@@thecorporatepilotdad ohhh ok. Again thanks for the great video!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

If you want to learn more about ATC and holding patterns and entries you can do so here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIiuindnrNWHopo ATC communications are simulated with a real Air Traffic Controller along with holding pattern questions and answers with the Air Traffic Controller.

[@nateandrew9953]

Is this msfs2020? How did you get the real voices?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

We simulated ATC communications to show what a flight would sound like from getting a clearance all the way to landing. One is my voice and the other is NoDak Express Gaming who is a former Air Traffic Controller. Yes, it is MSFS 2020.

[@colepaweleck9913]

when i go on the game i only have AI ATC and have been looking on how to get real people on atc and can’t figure it out. do i need to download a software? how do i get real atc?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

VATSIM is a great place to start. The realism is closer to the real thing than in-game ATC, lots of people use it, and IT IS FREE!

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

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[@thedoge8179]

How about emergency scenarios

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

Great idea! Any types of emergencies in particular?

[@thedoge8179]

@@thecorporatepilotdad hydraulic Failure, gear Failure, engine failure, and terrorist threat some stuff like that

[@lowonbenzine]

Life safer

[@nate5599]

I just wanna know why anyone would collab with a dog?

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

That's one smart dog. Why not? Just think of all the people that worked with Lassie.

[@luisbezerrak6727]

So its not "REAL ATC" which is the keyword that brought me here. I tell you what REAL ATC is, they are flights coded by a decent addon programmer using audios from real life ATC in mp3 format recorded from the varios channels such as Live Atc, for a particular city, airport, approach, departures, including chatting from other planes, airlines in the area...for a specific Approach, STAR procedure. These existed in previous versions of sims, such as FS2004, by authors Patrizio Migliola and Fermin Fernandez, with even complete Alitalia flights from departure. So you will listen in the sim once you load the flight and plan, a real ATC as it happenend in a particular day in history instructing you to your waypoints, clearance, altitudes, headings ILS, etc. THATS REAL ATC. It doesn existe in MSFS 2020 because programmers today are lousy

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

It is ATC communications recreated by myself (professional pilot) and a former Air Traffic Controller. The point in the title is this is what real ATC sounds like. If you want real ATC in MSFS get PilotEdge. It’s the only thing I’ve seen and used that is accurate to the real world. The coverage area is limited but if you want to learn ATC for the real world or want live ATC communications, that’s the program to use.

[@thecorporatepilotdad]

@@luisbezerrak6727 ATC communications and radio chatter are lacking in MSFS as you said. Even in a real sim we use for initial and recurrent training they have recorded ATC chatter in the background. Not all instructors use it but it is available. And yes, even PilotEdge has proper phraseology but the audio doesn’t mimic a radio transmission. The technology is there. MSFS is still a young sim. It will get there eventually.