The Mandalorian Season 2 - Fun But Formulaic

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@Tommy-go1ch]

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[@vinzingerakaelotakuakatheweebp]

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[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Season 1 : aimless TLOU rip-off in a generic space western setting Season 2 : more cohesive storyline with a couple of lousy filler episodes, but relies way too much on special guests from TCW and the OT. It's seriously overrated despite the decent action and music. Had it been tied-in with classic post RoTJ EU (setting it at least 8 or 10 years after it, and aknowledging things like Karen Traviss' novels), without the Disney trilogy existing, and had it been written with more substance, I wouldn't be so harsh. That, and it wasn't an excuse to set up loads and loads of other shows.. As it stands, it's serviceable, but also aimless and overrated.

[@DenmarkRadar]

You have no Soul? #GingerConfirmed !

[@basedautistic6021]

When Luke said, “talent without training is nothing”, I honestly thought that was definitely a jab at Rey being a Mary Sue and was completely worth watching just to see Luke shit on her character.

[@bigt2079]

I thought the same. They absolutely did I not need that line in there, but they included it anyway. Shot fired.

[@gzz8551]

@@bigt2079 are they firing shots at themselves now?? I mean it’s all Disney and Lucasfilm at the end of the day.

[@bigt2079]

@@gzz8551 yeah, but it’s difficult not to notice. Take Luke’s lightsaber incident in Ep 8. Rian had Mark toss is over his shoulder like it was a joke. In Ep 9, Luke catches it when Rey tries to throw it into a fire AND makes a comment about how that’s no way to treat a Jedi’s weapon. I think it’s less of Disney attacking themselves and more a matter of different creative minds taking subtle shots. Still waiting on that Rian Johnson trilogy that was supposed to be announced some time ago. Interesting how that hasn’t happened, but they are launching 57 new shows.

[@rydz656]

It just means Luke will get the kid killed at some point in it's training.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

@@bigt2079 Episode 7 has a lot of potential to be a good movie but Episode 8 is just a dumpster fire and Episode 9 is just "We're gonna pretend Episode 8 never happen" and it's still nothing like how they never show that Finn is a Force sensitive too. If JJ directed all of the sequel trilogies, it would be better to give us the better trilogy and equal to the original. Even though the prequels had a lot of awkward dialogues but at least we learn how Jedi and Sith worked.

[@jaegerbomb269]

Wow. It's almost like we like seeing our heroes be heroic and not subverted. Who would have guessed 🤔?

[@johnnygyro2295]

What's sad is that the idea of a Luke somewhat jaded by his Jedi predecessors isn't a bad idea on paper, but how they got to that point *is* stupid. I mean, thinking of killing Ben in his sleep? How did we get to that from, "there's still good in my father?!"

[@isplat927]

@@johnnygyro2295 and Luke didn't react to it like when Vader threatened Leia, he pulled out his lightsaber slowly like it was a decision he wanted to do, not an instant and irrational response he made on the spot when a loved one was being directly threatened.

[@RogueFox2185]

You thought people like characters such as Luke Skywalker who is the very embodiment of hope? Nah they prefer Jaded, Pathetic and Miserable characters like Jake Skywalker; who does nothing while the remnants of the Empire lay waste to the galaxy.

[@falkenvir]

Rian Johnson Learn it the hard way then he made Knives Out...

[@deanoman261]

@@johnnygyro2295 p

[@margarethmichelina5146]

The fact that The Mandalorian is just Side Quests: The Show still has better plot than the entire Sequels Trilogy

[@davidcatlett4052]

Yep. I'd add to that with a lot of critics usually look up to stories that are simple and made bare bones (like The Straight Story or that one movie where Robert Redford is on a boat that's slowly sinking, heck even the movie Open Water). Sometimes, even when good writers aim high with a complex story they can maybe be careless without realizing it and leave important elements unexplained or narrative threads left hanging. Not to pick at the Drinker, I deeply respect his opinion. While I love the fact that Mandalorian is simple and cuts to the bone with its action brimming to the top, I would also enjoy seeing a slow burn drama from the Star Wars universe. I just still like the franchise in passing, even with all its flaws (my mind is always trying to forget the Yoda Force ghost scene from Last Jedi).

[@Rivian_Jedi]

Lowest bar imaginable. The Sequels barely qualify as stories.

[@Jurgir09]

Literally everything is better than sequels. That's not saying much

[@davidcatlett4052]

@@Jurgir09 It says to how bad they are. Plus it's the ultimate lesson of "I didn't create this fictional universe, but I supposedly know better as to how it should be run" in the case of Kathleen Kennedy's hubris.

[@gm2407]

I would accept a simple plot if people behave logically within their character motivations and the reason behind the simple plot is reasonable and not an ilogical contrivance.

[@redorb6024]

5 minutes of Luke was better than the last 3 movies put together.

[@justaguywhocomments4795]

@@tommyboman7735 ikr

[@yoursodumn]

Maybe that's because he was actually Luke.

[@eclipsenow5431]

That episode was great as they really showed how hard it was even for Mando to put down just ONE Darktrooper - then Luke cuts through them like he is just doing basic forms in his morning drill.

[@robwalsh9843]

Luke is a noble and honorable warrior who faces danger head on. That guy in The Last Jedi? Yeah....I don't recognize him as Luke.

[@lukewalken1316]

@@robwalsh9843 he was an emasculated version of Luke, thanks to the Queen of Misandry KK

[@haillobster7154]

The Mandalorian : portrays Luke as a bad-ass hero. K Kennedy : 'He can't do that! Shoot him or something!!'

[@haydeng3316]

As many problems as TLJ had, it absolutely portrayed Luke as a badass hero in the end

[@rjofusetsudzin8011]

@@haydeng3316 I would agree Luke was the smallest problem of TLJ, but that just shows how garbage that movie was.

[@redhood7650]

Dave filoni: shut up Kathleen. I'm the captain now not you Bob knows I'm trustworthy

[@hankrearden5460]

@@haydeng3316 eh? not really. Unlike Rey the force teleskype call BS killed him, a Jedi who dragged a star destroyer into a planet in the EU. Heck he couldn't even get his xwing working to be there in person instead. Unlike in the following movie when Rey takes his X-wing. Jake Skywalker never lived up to his legacy in the sequel trilogy.

[@HellfireComms]

I ignited my lightsaber when I saw it!

[@frankthetank8799]

Luke: "Talent Without Training Is Nothing" - Did you hear that Kathleen Kennedy?

[@MrMozzers]

Oh she heard it, the whole two seasons left her crying in a corner somewhere, like she fucking deserves

[@nofutureproductions9242]

And life is really tough when you have neither.

[@matsug5704]

oh I love this comment so much!! jajaja

[@assistanttotheregionalsith8531]

Lol true

[@tadatada5]

@@MrMozzers it doesnt influence her wallet. so no - she was not crying

[@Zeddyboi86]

The fact that I didn’t even register that Mando had an all-girl team with him when rescuing Grogu, yet still enjoyed these characters kicking a lot of ass, is a VERY good sign.

[@davedave8219]

Yeah, I was the same and agree. Good sign. Cheers 🍻

[@RichterfanReborn89]

And that is just cause it ended up that way, no obvious forced all female protagonists scene like endgame where they were rather nakedly teasing an future team up series of films/shows .

[@infamousgames7621]

They know you don’t have to shove this girl power shit down peoples throats to make strong characters, this is the way

[@RichterfanReborn89]

@@infamousgames7621 This is the Way.

[@davedave8219]

@@infamousgames7621 "this is the way"

[@mveytia]

It is amazing that the Mandalorian makes us care way fucking more about the relationship between a man who never takes his mask off and a little puppet than anything the sequels produced. It's not that hard to make characters we care about, you just have to put SOME thought into it.

[@helenline1790]

Preach it.

[@liamkelly2158]

YAS QUEEN SLAY

[@awesomechainsaw]

Agreed. Hell I care more about the ex terrorist who helped burn down a village. Cause they wanted their women to not be slaves. More than I do Rey.

[@albay543]

Ray is a terrible ass character bruh

[@mbignell1]

I hope Mark Hamill is aware of just how happy this has made the fans. He looked like a broken man after The Last Jedi.

[@zorn1745]

@yes sir I am one of those fans. I’m aware that Luke still ends up the same in the ST, but I’m ignoring it for the sake of seeing the Luke we all wanted to see.

[@DarkNova50]

@@OFutureCollective Baby Yoda will cement his place in the hearts of the fans by using his Force powers to erase the sequel timeline.

[@sergiom1136]

Mark Hamill would have made the fans happy if he refused to be part of Rian Johnson's garbage.

[@theemperorofdrifts5854]

@yes sir filoni and favreau will decanonise the sequels Mark my words

[@roguechlnchllla6564]

@yes sir The Disney Star Wars sequels don't exist.

[@rlchts1cmdr]

Personally, the only reason the repeated side quest plot device isn’t annoying is because he’s a bounty hunter. Small quests for rewards are what he spent his life doing anyway, and that’s kinda what I expected when I read the first explanation of the show when it was announced. So that doesn’t really bother me too much. My main issue is how useless the Stormtroopers are in certain scenes. Sometimes one or two can pin down the whole team in a firefight, but other times Mando can soak up blaster fire like it’s nothing. I understand that we are supposed to be seeing defeated and splintered remnants of the Empire, but I’d like the individual soldiers to still carry some weight and still pose something of a threat.

[@EliWintercross]

It's a common problem in disney stuff, making Storm Troopers so comically inept you wonder why anyone is afraid of them. The first scene of A New Hope, has Storm Troopers assaulting the corvette and absolutely massacre the defending rebels with only a few losses, that set them up as a real threat. They should at least show the Troopers as a real threat and make it so the Mando has to use ambushes, traps and outmanuvering to defeat them, not just fighting them face to face.

[@adams303]

Yeah the storm troopers have always been cannon fodder. It does raise a question as to why they ever wear armour in the first place

[@EliWintercross]

@@adams303 in the EU, it was explained the armour does actually protect against blasters, but the force can still incapacitate, much like how modern armor can stop you from being killed, but the impact can still knock you down. So in short, when hit, just because they go down, doesn't mean they're dead.

[@tabaflip]

@@EliWintercross that's all fun and stuff, but there should be at least one scene in the show where the stablish that. Otherwise, my question is: Explaining that is the show's writer's job. Whyy are you doing it for them?

[@austinmoss4134]

Stormtroopers have never been scary or intimidating at least in the movies and shows. I mean there's a few sequences throughout the shows and movies where they are at least a little bit effective, but for the most part they've always been a joke.

[@cassolmedia]

I really liked bill burr's character, surprisingly. He's basically tired and doesn't really give a shit about loyalty at this point. his whole speech to mando about 'sides don't matter & everybody is just trying to get by' kinda sums him up.

[@fangwhiteclaw7089]

Right I enjoyed watching his character get flushed out more

[@ShinSuperSaiyajin]

his character is basically Finn if handled right

[@schroederscurrentevents3844]

Same, I also just fucking love Bill Burr

[@kosmosfan01]

The prison episode is one of my favorites so it was good to see him come back.

[@anonitachi6966]

Both man and character are top shelf

[@denimchicken104]

The mandalorian feels like comfy Saturday morning cartoons. It’ll never be challenging to watch or frustrating. It just feels good and is fun to look at. I’m ok with that.

[@TheKrensada]

That's the essence of Star Wars.

[@felipeporto5835]

S02 was a burden to watch for me. Mando gets told around to go to places and do shit and ultimately needs someone conveniently save his ass while doing everytime

[@Utilizador-gs3lx]

@@felipeporto5835 He still defeats mock guideon on it's one and let's be honest it would be inpossibel for him to invade a inperial base on it's one

[@felipeporto5835]

@@Utilizador-gs3lx I'm not talking about help, just plain needing to be saved a lot in the series. Like, he was completely outmatched by situations with no prospect of escaping and BAN someone saves his ass. It happened a lot

[@felipeporto5835]

@@Utilizador-gs3lx It ends up making him not look the bad ass as he is supposed to be and gets very repetitive

[@aitchisondaniel]

'Talent without training is nothing.' That line justifies the whole series.

[@jeremyburnet4855]

Yeah anything that is a “f**k you” to the Sequel Trilogy gets a thumbs up from me! 😂

[@imagingteam]

Rey: ????

[@Alexrex77]

'NOTHING' that sums up disney trilogy rather well, I think :)

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Kathleen Kennedy: "But, but, the force is female!" Me: "The ability to speak does not make you an intelligence."

[@ZaneKun33]

A joke Kathleen Kennedy won't understand

[@LilRedDog]

I HAVE to say: Every time Kathleen Kennedy got a credit, I wanted to puke.

[@Brakiri]

Yeah me too. I bet she is just a figurehead at this point. Iger coudn't fire her, because of the feminist backlash, but i bet, she has nothing to say over there creatively. She signs off the wage slips and reports to the board about numbers and that's it...i hope.

[@dprezzz1561]

The Only garbage moment, when her name appears for a brief second in every episode.

[@braxxian]

Take a look at any Hollywood production, there are a dozen "Executive Producers" credited to every project big or small. Its a very common role . She has been exposed as a hack with a fancy title. Her time is over.

[@keithmoore1329]

Sure, puke over the recent trilogy, but let's not choke on our own vomit. Review Kennedy's resume, many classic films, there are. ;)

[@dannystopford8324]

100% yes

[@MatoVuc]

"why does Luke go full battle mode?" Maybe because he just landed on an imperial cruiser and he's not exactly on friendly terms eith imperials?

[@thisisfyne]

Yeah, I mean, of course? Landing on an Imperial ship and being welcome by squads of droids in berserk mode isn't exactly a situation for diplomatic talk XD

[@bigmiki2620]

Ooo burn

[@jarink1]

Maybe he used the Force?

[@jdcrtchfld]

And, as the Drinker points out, storm-troopers are disposable. The amount of carnage in this show is unbelievable.

[@hillehai]

@@jdcrtchfld Yeah, it really gets ridiculous at some point. They really are just low-level mobs being thrown at the main characters, or at least that's how it feels after a while. I don't even understand where half of them are coming from most of the time.

[@efe_aydal]

Season 3: Mandalorian goes to the planet Naboo to meet with the ancient warrior called Jar Jar Binks, who helps him find the artifact he needs to complete his quest. Using that artifact he finds Queen Amidala who's actually not dead. Queen Amidala says she needs Mando to enter a castle, to free some slaves. In the same castle they have the location of Mandaliorian's long lost cousin. Spoiler: It's Mace Windu. Turns out he's also alive.

[@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek]

and then we find out the jedi were the friends we made along the way... (*drives into sunset*)

[@straker454]

Do not give them ideas! XD

[@LUR1FAX]

@@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek Dual sunset on generic desert planet.

[@Umbra_Ursus]

If they want to do prequal stuff, just have Grievous's empty body show up: I'm pretty sure in some game it was turned into a droid.

[@lars9805]

Qui gon gin: let me introduce myself

[@Viper2132]

If I had to sum up The Mandalorian in one word, it would be: Fun. It's not groundbreaking, it's not intellectually stimulating, but it's fun to watch, and it's obvious that everybody involved had fun making it (at least during the first season). It brings Star Wars back to its roots, and that's why I like it.

[@neilbateman7039]

Every episode is mostly the same, but it's comfy Star Wars without all the confusion, politics & social agendas that have ruined the last 3 SW movies. And I've got to admit I was one of the saddos that got bloody emotional when Luke arrived. It's good enough to keep me happy.

[@1jamerton]

Good point

[@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek]

@@AP-qs2zf at a basic level they are, this doesn't necessarily mean they're bad but they are totally formulaic. And this is coming from someone who actually loved the show.

[@neilbateman7039]

@@AP-qs2zf sorry mate, but they are all a bit samey for me. Mando meets someone who'll help him if he does something for them, rinse & repeat. Don't get me wrong though, it's the first Star Wars I've truly enjoyed since the prequels. Rogue 1 was OK (with 1 killer Vader scene) but the rest has been trash.

[@AnglicanFish]

I mean the fact is we got an all female group in the last episode, but each character was actually...likable! Wow!

[@somadityasingh4345]

No not that one girl mandalorion who bested boba fett the greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy.

[@RoseCityBBQ]

@@somadityasingh4345 she didn't really best him, they were still going at it but got interrupted. Still, don't like her tho, her face reminds me of what's her name from ST Discovery

[@koncewiczd]

@@RoseCityBBQ That's sasha banks from wwe btw. I didn't even realize until the credits. And yeah I didn't like her character much either. I can understand bringing in a non actor like gina carrano, because you won't find many woman who are that built and understand actual fighting but sasha banks is kinda meh.

[@roscojenkins7451]

Girls get it done

[@ciaranmcmahon1991]

Naa The other mandalorian bird and the one in green jump suit were fucking terrible i thought

[@brotherkellymatthewbarnes8882]

Ahsoka Tano wasn't timid she was an obnoxious brat that got humbled at almost every turn and became a brave young woman with a sound conscience and sound skills. She outgrew the Jedi that turned on her.

[@thepsychicspoon5984]

An obnoxious brat whose actions had little to no negative consequences. Her actions benefited the heros more than it hindered them in the long run. Its only when she finally calmed down a bit, is when she finally gets the book forcethrown at her. I mean, are you for real?

[@romerobert2981]

You know I don't know why she keeps being referred to as a jedi in that episode when she specifically says to Vader "I'm no Jedi".

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

That's a very good, concise description.

[@NinjacksonYT]

@@thepsychicspoon5984 Did you forget the arc where she directly disobeyed orders and got her entire battalion slaughtered...?

[@TeenageMutantZuckerTurtle]

@@thepsychicspoon5984 I mean, I don’t see how that’s much different than the original comment. From an external perspective, she was an obnoxious brat made to appeal to all of the most annoying tropes that small children enjoy, and after a season and a half or so, it became clear that she wasn’t working out because such a large portion of the viewer base were older kids and adults who found her insufferable. I despised her at first, her obnoxious presence, along with the simplistic lightweight kiddie BS episodic stories, made me hate the beginning of the show. So they “punished” her for being a shitty character by basically humbling her to death with hardship after hardship for the entire rest of the show, reducing her character to rubble that they then built an actually good character on top of, the major turning point being the bombing plot and her leaving the Jedi order. By utterly crushing that original obnoxious caricature and then replacing her with a more mature, likable character, they redeemed her in the eyes of a lot fans. To save the character, they had to make her a different character. This is true of the Clone Wars as a whole: they saved the show by making it a different show. After a year of kiddie crap, they repaired the show by crushing that crappy first season or two of episodic lightweight kiddie adventures under the weight of long, mature story arcs with some of the darkest shit in them that Star Wars had gotten in a long time. Most fans of the Clone Wars like the show for its good seasons and prefer to forget about how it started. I certainly don’t ever rewatch the garbage parts, whereas the show’s best arcs of some of my favorite Star Wars content since the OT. There are other Star Wars characters and properties, which have had less than ideal beginnings, that would benefit from the same treatment. I held out hope that the sequels would come to realize this by the end of the trilogy, but now all those characters are done and their potential is dead. Which is a shame, because I actually like Finn in TFA back when we thought he might be a force user, and before TLJ ruined his arc.

[@ObservadorCeleste]

Luke went to look for the baby because the stone amplified his presence , he made himself visible so Luke could find him. Luke's arrival was no coincidence.

[@Zvoosh25]

Yes, but I think his point was more about the fact that how did he know specifically where to go after they left the planet, as well as why did it take him so long to get there, as well as why did he get off the ship and immediately go into combat mode. All of these questions have explanations, but he was saying how if grogu contacted him on the rock back on that random planet, then this space station in the middle of nowhere really doesn't seem like a logical place for like to show up. But yeah all of these do have explanations, and even if they didn't, I'm willing to accept some stretching of reality to show disney that this is what I want as opposed to the absolute trash heap that was the sequel trilogy.

[@ObservadorCeleste]

@@Zvoosh25Anything is better than the sequels! 👍 We all agree on that one! What I think is that in the force, you feel all beings, but you do not differentiate them individually. By amplifying Grogu's connection to the Force, he became distinctive, he became traceable, because he differentiate himself from the other beings, so after that, Luke could find him anywhere he was.

[@Zvoosh25]

@@ObservadorCeleste of course, anyone with a brain can agree on that! 😂 Like I said, they have explanations, most of which are understandable, but I think his point was more towards the fact that without a firm understanding of the force or without the luxury of explaining it away on your own, the show does not do a good job explaining itself. He's pointing out that as a stand alone show without the nostalgia, there are some rocky parts, but it's still solid, you just have to be willing to do some self explanation.

[@ObservadorCeleste]

@@Zvoosh25 I agree with you. But I felt inclined to comment this publicly because is not fair that The Drinker points out this minor, easily explainable details, and forgives A LOT of terribly clumsy storytelling and leftouts in The Witcher series. He was quite easy going on that one. Besides, it's way more likely to find people understang the force, since SW is universally popular, than to find people with enough Witcher Lore.

[@anonitachi6966]

@@Zvoosh25 Imperial ship and Spidey-sense

[@chriscross8547]

"Well, you have to admit it's better than the sequels." - Bill Burr Baggins

[@BennyLlama]

Lowest bar of all time lol

[@HammerofSubtlety]

@@BennyLlama so low it's subterranean.

[@darthkek1953]

And the prequels. And the side-quels.

[@chriscross8547]

@@darthkek1953 I agree with the second half Edit: actually, even Rogue One (a solid 4/10) has more going for it than Mando

[@JJbullfrog1978]

Boston Billy Blastahs

[@shigeminotoge4514]

"I'm incapable of feeling emotional attachment to anything" _-Tatianna will remember that_

[@residentelect]

Poor Tatianna... From what I hear the UK Border Force finally tracked her down, and she's now sat in an Immigration detention centre awaiting a deportation flight to ( _enter_ _Eastern_ _European_ _country_ _of_ _origin_ _here_ ) Hopefully while the country is locked down in Tier 4 the Drinker can break her out by getting the guards pissed, and their toxic abusive relationship can begin all over again ❤

[@Acesahn]

She knew what this was...

[@guilherme5094]

Tatianna: Just business. I like this odds.

[@piotrd.4850]

@@residentelect Ryan Drake will do it for Drinker ; \)

[@residentelect]

@@piotrd.4850 Now that's what I call a shameless plug 😏👍 Must admit though, after finally getting round to downloading and reading "Redemption" I am very impressed with the Drinker's literary skills! His all night benders clearly provide for some excellent inspiration!

[@cypherfavoredsonofmalal7626]

For why Luke went into full battle mode, I imagine it might have something to do with him BOARDING AN IMPERIAL LIGHT CRUISER.

[@crujones2849]

😂 right, what else would he have expected?

[@TheFatMob]

And Dark Troopers don't exactly look Republic-friendly!

[@RRTNZ]

Yeah, not really an issue. Truth is that Favreau probably thought " Okay, for the finale what would fans really like to see, hmmmm...how about the central character of the original movies saving the day in a spectacular fashion? Yeah I'll go with that." And he was totally right ! I mean, once we see the green lightsaber does anyone really care about the details ?

[@BenchongDy]

The drinker seems too drunk to realize this.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

@@RRTNZ Yee but people's argument is "why is luke tearing up droid ass instead of doing literally anything else" Like... they're dark troopers, what else was he supposed to do?

[@0xEdwoods]

12:22 - Q) Why did Luke wait until now to come looking for him. A) Baby Yoda used the force on the mountain top so it was the first time Luke sensed him and could track him using the force/feeling.

[@Death_MTL_Dude]

"How did Luke know where to find Baby Yoda?" *explains episode where Grogu calls out through the Force*

[@jokester5130]

@Greg Elchert who knows where Luke could have been in the Galaxy. Plus they needed a few episodes in between

[@Death_MTL_Dude]

@Greg Elchert Because its a tv show with 30-45 minute episodes. Not a feature length film.

[@imthegoldensun9186]

@Greg Elchert you... just answered your question. mando and grogu were constantly on the move.

[@themlgchad8008]

@Greg Elchert maybe he was waiting for the right chance? He’s not trying to speedrun and risk shit like a videogame

[@r-s3573]

Honestly it’s the contrived result of a contrived plot element

[@Northhax]

This show single handedly revived Star Wars for new and old fans alike. That is the biggest compliment I can give

[@thelaughingrouge]

No, star wars movies are still dead to me and I will not trust them. Not as long as KK is there anyway.

[@rs0764]

@@mattstorm6568 Yeah maybe but it helped uplift our spirits in a time of despair from the horrendous sequels.

[@katnerd-Glen]

@@mattstorm6568 That is not remotely what he said. Stop making comments intended to incite rather than actually ask a legitimate question or add to a conversation. Entertainment from childhood IS important as it's part of the tapestry of memories that supports us through today and allows us to look forward to tomorrow in a more positive way. It's never the only thing but it is a part of it. What Lucasfilm and Disney did was spit on the happy memories of millions of people. Not surprisingly this had an effect disproportionate to it's actual relevance to those peoples day to day lives. It turned a happy memory in to a sad one. You should stop basing your self image on how much you can antagonize people. That's a good bit more sad than what you accused the previous poster of.

[@katnerd-Glen]

@@mattstorm6568 You said he was defining his life around a movie. He didn't say he was doing that. He has a legitimate complaint. A studio took a franchise that was loved a great deal and, seemingly intentionally, destroyed it. Expressing disappointment in relevant places is a healthy and legitimate reaction. As I said, you're just poking people who are having actual opinions. You don't care about the content, you just want attention. As displayed by the vacuous nature of your comments.

[@katnerd-Glen]

@@mattstorm6568 What buzzwords exactly? I'm just pointing out that you're pointlessly trying to antagonize a pevious poster because he's sad something he liked was being ruined. As I said, what you're doing is far more sad than what you vindictively accused him of.

[@trevoris18]

Drinker: Star wars fans are like abused housewives at this point Me: No, I just want a decent Star Wars series that doesn't shit all over me.. wait.

[@hia5235]

We dont want Memberberry wine. Why can't Mandolorian use 100% original characters? Boba Fett? Yoda? Luke? Who's next? Its nostalgic garbage. Just like Force Awakens.

[@frostatine]

BREAKING NEWS: Worldwide energy crisis solved by gaslighted fan base. Disney execs had this to say "We know Star Wars is an important part of people's lives. That is precisely why, like our audience, Star Wars will have to change."

[@s3rgeantrogu327]

@@hia5235 I don't mind seeing a few old characters, but yeah, The Mandalorian does seem to be going a bit overboard

[@secretagenttau2233]

@@hia5235 that is such a stupid comment. Oh a force sensitive is calling out through the force? Who do you think they most likely will contact the most powerful and force sensitive being the galaxy, who would have thought. It's a show about mandolorians.....

[@hia5235]

@@secretagenttau2233 No. This show is about Baby Yoda, Ashoka, and Luke, and what cheap key jangling and Lucas characters they bring back that episode. This show has literally not touched on 1/10th of the story of the Mandolorians that appeared in Knights of the Old Republic alone. Who's next? Chewie? Lando? Its trash, just like Force Awakens was.

[@georgegrogee5991]

"The hero's journey. Yeah it's formulaic, but there's rules to storytelling." - Drinker, The Problem With Rey, 2018

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

It's almost like alcoholism seriously affects cognitive functions or something

[@LordVader1094]

Yeah kinda weird how he forgot that here lol

[@lessalazar9068]

That's different. One is a outline you use for a character, the other is a boring formula you use for a show.

[@georgegrogee5991]

@@lessalazar9068 like every episode of Colombo

[@evertonporter7887]

@@georgegrogee5991 I could watch Columbo all day😁😀

[@ricksanford3381]

The Mandalorian is us as kids playing with our action figures. That's why we love it all.

[@synapse913]

I’m 40 years old and I felt that.

[@shkotayd9749]

Jesus....is that ever accurate. I hadnt thought of that lol. You are right.

[@scottgiles7546]

So, it's the Speed Racer of Star Wars? (Go Mandalorian! GO!)

[@biggiecheese726]

This is by far the most accurate description of the show ever

[@hectorjavier8508]

@@synapse913 same

[@jeffdevos5413]

I really liked the sidequest routine, it felt like a tv show instead of an overlong movie. That and the week to week release schedule really felt like a change of pace for this type of show. Not everything needs to be some massive and earth shattering story.

[@zt2019]

Yep, I love seeing more regular life in Star Wars people just going about their business. Not every day massive large scale cinematic space battles, not that I don’t enjoy them but I think they were disappointing in TROS.

[@kellymkwananzi9769]

I love the side quest formula its working and hope it continues😀😀😀

[@darrengordon-hill]

@@zt2019Look out a window if you want "regular life".

[@excellenceinanimation960]

Yup exactly! I like seeing the different environments along with a nice story! I like the ships and cool charichters and while it’s not perfect for sure it’s a fun ride!

[@rs0764]

@@darrengordon-hill He said "regular life" of the people living in Star Wars, not regular "real" life.

[@johncms3]

I understand why people would nitpick the look of Luke’s “deepfake” face, but cmon, regardless of how he looked and yes it could’ve looked better, but we got our Luke Skywalker back that we all know and love.

[@MrDuncanDonut]

Well said, seems people are only happy when they criticise everything.

[@kanebanner]

I think for me it was the fact the cgi was great all 2 seasons and then his face looked absolute dogshit. Very jarring change of tech standard. Could have just had a flash of him, not a massive deliberate close up. Was very weird.

[@JoJoJoker]

Why can a guy on KZbin with $3 do a better deep-fake than Disney with $100 billion?

[@pineapplepizza4016]

I can understand the Mando doesn't have near the budget of a big Hollywood movie to do a proper de-aging job. I think most people were just happy to see Luke portrayed as a hero again. Besides, it was really Mark Hamill playing the role.

[@danielpcowen]

@@pineapplepizza4016 Yeah tell me about it, look at how well it was done in Rogue One

[@darthvader3829]

In my opinion, the sequels should been de-cannonised and forgotten, then Luke can be Luke, Han can be Han, and just put in some fucking effort.

[@davidjones3165]

They need to retcon the sequels as a bad spice dream

[@neurosp]

There's no sequels , just a collective nightmare .

[@jakobrenner2230]

Makes sense that Lord Vader himself is saying this. They ruined his arc after all

[@darthvader3829]

@@jakobrenner2230 Rey is not a Skywalker, the day I accept her as a member of the family is the day I go to the beach

[@veronicagross7458]

Just makes me mad how they toss away the fact that they had the og cast there to do their best, they wont have another chance like that. They screwed it hard.

[@aurex8937]

It wasn't perfect, but it was extremely enjoyable and wasn't afraid of showing heroes as what they should be when needed: heroes. Not hermits and animal abusers.

[@cardmaster8772]

Yeah, hopefully Din will have a great character arc in season 3, they should give him a real plot that has a visible finish line. Mandalorian just needs better writers, because other than that, the show has done everything right. Maybe they will go deeper into the Mandalore and their rules, especially since Din is possibly their ruler now.

[@JJ-nu8qi]

I agree not perfect but a good watch. I do wonder was it good because the movie lowered expectations so much?

[@squattingheads]

Watching a well made Star Wars merchandise presentation can be „enjoyable“. Doesn’t make it good filmmaking. it’s nothing you’ll notice right away. But after some time you will wonder „why does this feel so empty?“ like no one is excited for new marvel movies anymore. Or even rewatches them.

[@aurex8937]

@@JJ-nu8qi I think it has much to do with that, yes. If this had followed nothing but the OT, it'd have been received far less positively.

[@aurex8937]

@@squattingheads There was some good but not exceptional film making on The Mandalorian, aside from some very interesting shots and good set pieces here and there. Most of its charm was heartstring pulling with Mando and Grogu, on top of some memberberries and a lot of great special effects. It was very much a live action Clone Wars-style cartoon. Very enjoyable if you set your expectations low enough - and God only knows how low the bar is after the new trilogy + Rogue One and Solo.

[@benjaminmontag6540]

Lucas went on and on about modeling his movies after movie serials. Being younger Favreau is modeling this after episodic TV of the sixties and seventies. The Fugitive had ten thousand “side quests” before getting the one-armed man. Cain side quested his way through the West until he got the Chinese emperor off his back. David Banner will mope his way through the lives of sad women every week until he cures himself of gamma poisoning. It’s a feature, not a bug.

[@TheRealMonkeyrogue]

This is absolutely true. I've been feeling like I'm literally watching an RPG being played. And that definitely feels like episodic tv.

[@stargate525]

It's SO NICE having episodic, self-contained episodes of something again.

[@stavrosg1113]

It is a style that we older viewers are way more accustomed to. Cable TV in the 2000s, brought in much longer and detailed story arcs, depth of characters, etc . The sopranos ,lost, battlestar gallactica, all game changing in their genres. I love the expanse , but i also adore this for different reasons . Charming bubble gum TV can be fun and relaxing. Like what the WII is for gaming. Get in, get off, get out...

[@elainenagano9829]

Please please please George Lucas!!!!!

[@shkotayd9749]

Well said. Drinker for once missed some BIG stuff here.

[@Damar158]

I'm pretty sure Luke went into battle-mode because he's on an Imperial ship and there's a shitton of evil looking Imperial droids between him and the Jedi child who contacted him

[@nont18411]

And also he needs to show why he is the most powerful Jedi ever

[@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek]

@@nont18411 love the idea that he just did all that to flex on baby yoda

[@charleschaplin1500]

Hey drinker, I saw the scene where Bill Burr when nuts in the bar a little different- Like a vet with ptsd so tore up about seeing everyone he serve with die needlessly that when by chance he ended up in an officer's mess with a gun he decided none of them were walking outta the room. Idk, I liked that part a lot- felt believable and thought it humanized the grunts of the empire a bit.

[@nathanbeverley247]

Agreed, also he wasn't upset because the guy treated stormtroopers as expendable. They were talking about Operation Cinder, an Imperial terror campaign carried out in civilians after the emperor died.

[@rog6725]

I saw it that way too. A cynical guy, who confronted with his past, and a person who was instrumental in creating that past and bathing in it, found himself "feeling" again, with an acceptable target Right There ...

[@barryclay9084]

Burr played a pretty subdued role in that episode...unlike his comedy sets.

[@marhip7182]

Who wants the sequels to be decanonised? ⬇

[@lonewolf9578]

They already are

[@gonnegottkehaskamp1667]

While they will most likely never do that, it is fun to think about. Opening KZbin one day to see dozens of videos with a tweet from Disney in the thumbnail, saying "We have come to the decision to decanonize the entire sequel trilogy and will be working on a new trilogy to make up for past mistakes." IF they decanonize, there will be new films. It do be Disney we're talking about here.😂

[@IndyDefense]

Mandalorian has already made references to the sequels, and seems to be setting up the cloning of Snoke.

[@vladimirbaran115]

What sequels? There is only one sequel to episode 6 and it's called Mandalorian.

[@JJbullfrog1978]

Sure but how does that work when they've been seen by everyone?

[@crazycirculation]

Sadly all this show has done is give us a tantalizing glimpse of what we all wanted to see Luke become. Only to have the crushing reality of the sequel trilogy still exist. I disavow and will never watch again the sequel trilogy. I will show my children the Original trilogy, let them see and learn the lessons that they teach. Farwell Master Luke, you were meant for so much more.

[@FixedWing82]

Exactly. This statement should be carved into the side of a mountain.

[@arhael3594]

Offer your children to read books with original story, where Luke becomes grand master of New Jedi Order, where Han and Leia stay together and have 3 children. Heroes throughout 42 years story go through lots of suffering and tradegy but they still prevail, beloved heroes get justice and the story is superb.

[@robwalsh9843]

This is why the Thrawn trilogy was so good. Luke actually struggled with his own experiences with the Dark Side and his nephew going over to it, but it was actually well written. Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams don't deserve to breathe Timothy Zahn's air.

[@DLJohnsonHonourofKings]

Rumor has it that the "Veil of the Force" could in essence cancel the sequel trilogy. Let's keep our fingers crossed for that one.

[@Nibiru_-_Gen_Z_Warlock]

they could just decannonize it, that seems hte route theyre going because most writers in lucasfilm saw how horrendous the new sets of movies did. and now Kathline Kennedy has littel to no access to the story

[@HellfireComms]

I'll admit, I was a tad worried when they kept announcing new/old characters showing up prior to the first episode airing, but I think it worked out well in the end. They actually contribute to the plot and aren't just there for cheap fanservice. It's the GOOD kind of fanservice. Earned and warranted.

[@Rancord123]

They focused a little to much on older characters though, I wanted to see Greef Carga kick some ass again and have Din reunite with The Armorer and his clan and question everything he knew. They also played the older characters of to safe, although I love Bo Katan she should have died in the finale, have Gideon appear as a threat without the dark saber and have Din have to reunite Mandalore on his own

[@HellfireComms]

@@Rancord123 There's still time for all that, season 3's happening next year alongside Book of Boba Fett.

[@squattingheads]

Luke literally killed the plot of two seasons. He had absolutely nothing to do with Gideon or his troopers. And i stead of an internal cl8max, Luke rushes in and destroys them all.

[@squattingheads]

Ashoka: nothing to do with the plot really. You could take her out and nothing changes. Boba: same

[@mr.doctorcaptain1124]

@@squattingheads well sure but realistically you could have summed this entire season up in 2 episodes. It was basically 70 minutes of actual content and then a whole bunch of filler

[@dpalmerama]

Just finished watching season 2, and I'm not afraid to admit it, I was all teary eyed. Seeing Luke get to kick-ass and have his own badass moment like Vader at the end of Rogue One was fantastic, and made me feel like a giddy, unashamed Star Wars fan again! Something I haven't felt since I saw The Force Awakens at the cinema. I felt like the parting of Mando and Grogu was genuinely earned and sad, as over the course of 2 seasons, we've seen Mando evolve as a character, and the increasing connection between them. The fact that he only removed his helmet to get what was needed to find him, and then to say goodbye, helped elevate the emotion. I liked the episodic "side quest of the week" style storytelling with an overarching narrative, as it was fairly standard back in the 90s and early 00s in TV shows. It's also a solid way of showing character progression and growth. At the end of the day though, it feels like Star Wars and GOOD Star Wars. While I did think the stormtroopers seemed more cannon fodder than ever, and the tension of character survival greatly diminished, no negative gripes stopped me thoroughly enjoying it.

[@rog6725]

Late to the party here, but - was also a bit wet-eyed at end of season two, concur with respect to Mando and the kid - hated Force Awakens. Felt like it ate, puked, ate again and shat out my childhood (didn't watch the next two). - I also liked the episodic format. As much as anything, it reminded me of the weekly "King Fu" episodes as a kid. near-mythical prowess fighter shows up and deals with local issues, moves on, never part of the world but always an action element in it - towards end of season two, we see the storm troopers as people. They cheer when one of four crews survives the pirates. They are there doing mining duty, and getting killed for it. Just a bunch of guys that might hope to go home home to their mother or girlfriend or wife someday if they live long enough to get off this shithole planet ... just my thoughts

[@silenceburns1336]

My biggest complaint about this season is that they really had no idea how to utilize Michael Biehn. Man's a fucking Legend.

[@braxxian]

Yea, he was wasted.

[@Apollo890]

I agree

[@mikeadams7904]

Yup. Not a good part at all

[@dougjames4972]

Soooooooooooo True!

[@PrimordialMuck]

Pretty sure he needed a small role. There's something off about him and he looks rather sickly, as if perhaps nerve damage or something

[@archstanton9073]

They set up Luke showing up when Baby Yoda was communing with the Force in the earlier episode. Ashoka wanted Mando to take him to the old temple so Baby Yoda could reach out to any Jedi through the Force there. Luke, presumably, is on the lookout for Force-sensitive people to train to rebuild the Jedi order. It makes sense, in-universe. Also, they snuck into that Imperial base in the penultimate episode because they needed to know the location of the cruiser where Moff Gideon and Baby Yoda were. They said as much in the episode.

[@GuadalupePicasso]

Even episode 2 had a point, in that the rebel xwing pilots help develop what the universe is like after the fall of the empire, when they tell him that he had a warrant out for his arrest, but that they were letting him go since he had helped taken out a number of rebel enemies

[@archstanton9073]

@@GuadalupePicasso I think Drinker and the EFAP crew are being too hard on the show. Yes, it's not perfect. Yes, the writing isn't top notch. Yes, not every episode moves the overarching plot forward. (I seem to remember not so long ago when Doctor Who was good people didn't mind episodes that didn't move the overarching plot forward. People might have called that "world building"...but what do I know). Clearly Disney is throwing the fans a bone with the show...but it's a much-needed bone. The Mandalorian is a fun, zippy show that respects established characters and doesn't take too many chances and that's kind of what the franchise needs right now.

[@Usernamesdontmatter1]

Yeah I think they put their blinders for this show. Yeah there was some dumb shit and some poor writing here and there but the show explained a lot of what drinker pointed out at the end some people don't pay attention when they want to hate on something.

[@lego501stTrigger]

Luke showed up on the cruiser, when the force beam or whatever happened on Tython, which is half the galaxy away from said cruiser. He's asking why Luke not only knew to come to the cruiser at that time, but also how the fuck he knew where said cruiser was, because they established in the show that Mando needed to access an Imperial computer to get the cruiser's location. There are so many plot holes that they opened up to stick a deep faked Luke into, and it's crazy that people are so blinded by nostalgia to see them.

[@archstanton9073]

@@lego501stTrigger Jedi can sense events and people over great distances. For instance, Obi Wan felt the deaths on Alderaan light years away. Once Baby Yoda sent out a Force SOS for all intents and purposes at the temple, Luke sensed it and tracked him down on the cruiser. Mando and co had to infiltrate an Imperial base for the location because they're not Force users.

[@jasongrundy1717]

Why does Luke go into full battle mode... against an Imperial cruiser... filled with death troopers... that immediately try to murder him... Really? That confused you?

[@emorsi]

...but that a group of some enemies manage to take down a whole End-Boss-Level ship is more than confusing, it's downright silly (and they did it with ease). It would be okay for a Diablo-Level I guess, but not for a show like this. The enemy here is a joke and not a proper adversary.

[@osets2117]

@@emorsi clearly you missed the part where the heros say it's running on a skeleton crew

[@emorsi]

@@osets2117 Well, I did miss that, but anyway: That kind of thing should not happen at all. I mean the main enemy boss has finally his most prized treasure in hand (baby Yoda) and then he stripped down his crew? Okay, maybe he was overconfident with this supertropers (which were dispatched in a mere of seconds from Luke). A good commander would have to expect the uninspected. The whole story is bogus.

[@osets2117]

@@emorsi the ship had a skeleton crew before he obtained grogu. Gideon no longer has the unlimited resources that a moff would have under the empire. Gideon is basically like a cell of the rebellion at this point (think Phoenix cell from rebels). No imperial expects a jedi to show up because they've been led to believe all the jedi are dead (for good reason, Vader's entire job was hunting down jedi), and unfortunately battle droids don't do so well against a jedi in a small area

[@GFRyoutube]

fr, sounds like hes just hating

[@ViciousAlienKlown]

"Fun but formulaic" A vast improvement over the wokeness Disney has made us suffer through.

[@RRTNZ]

Who complains about a formula...when it works ? No one. I mean who says " Man I really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy,Dr Strange and Ant Man because they were fun but I would have preferred it if they deconstructed the character, or had a really deep theme and less action." Answer , no one said that...ever!

[@DK-gl3ih]

@@RRTNZ stfu

[@RRTNZ]

@@DK-gl3ih so nice to hear from a fan, have a great day, hope you get some sunshine under your bridge for you and the other trolls.

[@DK-gl3ih]

@@RRTNZ stfu

[@evertonporter7887]

I just finished watching both seasons of Mando and you know what? It had a formula and side quests, but the MAIN thing was, I was thoroughly entertained throughout! And that's what matters to me.

[@dannystopford8324]

I think Mando season 2 has taught me that predictable is okay if its executed well

[@IAmInsideYourWalls-wm9ek]

100%, not everything has to be some subversive critical masterpiece to be enjoyed.

[@yinnyonline]

except the season wasnt executed well whatsoever. it's an absolute trash heap of a show with nonsense littering every single episode. repetitiveness is just the cherry on top

[@dannystopford8324]

@@yinnyonline good for you

[@johngaltspeaking213]

I agree, The Boys s2 is another example. If you want great writing, read a book.

[@matthewdougherty8814]

The Iliad and The Odyssey literally tell the whole plot in the first paragraph of the poems but are some of the most well written and influential pieces of literature to exist.

[@patchey8019]

Luke doesn't come out of nowhere, that 'pointless side quest' where Grogu sits on the rock is what called Luke, Luke wasn't looking for him until that point, it was like a beacon. He went into full battle mode because its an imperial battle cruiser, of course he would. he was in direct communication with grogu so he knew what was going on. Boba Fett also didn't just teleport into the story, he was there at the end of the first episode looking on, the question is why he didn't do anything then? thats valid. If you boil everything down into "side quests" and ignore the plot points then yeah no wonder you don't understand.

[@Yarraville_Emma]

This is absolutely correct.

[@DS-mi9ru]

I like how in this season the sidequests feel less useless than in season 1. They feel more connected and further the main plot more. Except for spider ice planet, that one is useless.

[@synlion]

When did drinker say he didn’t understand the plot. The plot of this season could have been achieved in 2 episodes. The rest was side quests and meaningless filler.

[@lhd23]

@@synlion It could? How? I get the first episodes about the ship breaking down seemed too fillerish, but the others ones about Ahsoka, Boba and the whole part of the seeing stone was needed. He had no idea how to find a Jedi, his only lead was to look for Mandalorians because they may know the location of one, that's what drove the plot on the beginning, finding a Jedi. And Mando growing more charitable with time, in S1 he wouldn't help them so fast. Then after finally sending a signal so a Jedi can come, Grogu is kidnapped and Mando has to locate Moff Gideon, when located then finally Luke arrives, the main arch was pretty lean with that, two episodes would feel rushed, and even with this one, one could say the Force helped along because if Mando hadn't run into Bo-Katan he would spend a looong time looking for a Jedi.

[@okubothecat]

@@lhd23 or he could have just flown to the headquarters/capital/whatever of the new republic and asked them where to find the extremely famous hero of the rebellion and savior of the republic, *Jedi Master* Luke Skywalker.

[@Barbaryotaku]

If Jar Jar was under the hood, those crying at the reveal would be justified.

[@toby1061]

GT V bro Jar Jar is a Sith Lord who controlled Palpatine and Vader.

[@warrenstemphly5756]

As the connection has been made before, in my eyes The Mandelorian is being written like a Western series, Gun Smoke or something like that. I’m good with side quests, I’m good with pandering and I’m good with formula. Why? Because it’s entertaining and fun to watch. My young kids and I get excited when new episode come out. I also like that they rotate directors.

[@rog6725]

Reminded me of Kung Fu (and also good with that)

[@evertonporter7887]

The Mandalorian in places reminds me of quite a few Randolph Scott westerns. My late father was a fan of Scott and would have loved it.

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

Everyone: Baby Yoda is adorable Baby Yoda: my name is Grogu Everyone: quiet Baby Yoda

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

@Marcus H same here mate. That’s like calling McLovin Fogell, don’t sound right

[@attilaszovan]

Everyone: It's Boba Fett!!! Boba Fett: from today on, it's Boba Fat!

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

@@attilaszovan 🤣🤣🤣

[@redfordreddington8834]

@Marcus H it's not a good sign that you misuse cringe

[@zmeicorp]

@Marcus H You can say "baby yoda" with a straight face but can't say Grogu?

[@LordDirus007]

I think what the Mandalorian is doing. Is serving as a base template for an Expanded Universe. Similar to what they did with Marvel. Instead of using the Movie Format they are using a Show format. The Mandalorian= Iron Man 1 It's a step in the right direction if you ask me. Branch off the characters into their own spin off to eventually have them reunite for a final battle. Just like the MCU

[@JonP1245]

but in some form wasn't star wars already doing that.

[@robinwayne1454]

Exactly. And the common denominator is Jon Favreau

[@robinwayne1454]

@@JonP1245 sort of. The base template was already there, but Kathleen Kennedy screwed it up with the movies, so Favreau and Filoni had to come in and start over with the series.

[@JonP1245]

@@robinwayne1454 yeah she needs to get fired

[@kael13]

Final battle not needed, but it's okay to set up new characters, if done well.

[@EvilShoei]

You missed the best comment in star wars since Han solo's "I know" - Luke's "Talent without training is nothing", I could literally hear a billion Mary "Rey" Sue fans cry out in despair before being crushed under the weight of logic.

[@huanquocmanh416]

Stop being a raycist

[@EvilShoei]

@@huanquocmanh416 lol I'll try my best but if I wasn't some kind of ist, I'd probably be as boring as a plank of wood.

[@chaddelong998]

a majority of them were killed when Alderaan had that... significant heat wave. but of course, a "few" Mary Sue's were doing gender studies off world and missed the cookout. they kinda pop up time to time 'round these parts to make a claim, then Keyser Soze off when confronted.

[@6ixlxrd]

@@chaddelong998 I'm disappointed in myself for taking too long to figure out what you meant.

[@chaddelong998]

@@6ixlxrd sorry bout that. sometimes my humor gets...odd. hehe. cheers!

[@waldotheranger3987]

You missed the part in the ahsoka episode where she said that the thing that baby yoda did with the sky beam would allow other jedi to sense his presence. that's how luke found him. No offense, but the show makes more sense when you pay more attention. Still think this is a good review overall, but you did miss some things.

[@motinuppi]

He was/is heavily intoxicated. I think given the heavy drinking his views are surprisingly coherent.

[@mutasimaldory]

I was just starting to write almost exactly the same thing, before getting to this comment! I never even gave a thought to it, it was "obvious" Luke formed the mind-meld with Groku on that rock..and presumably the link stayed active after that, so he was getting constant updates as to what was happening and it was just taking a while to hone in on the 'signal', given he was seeing things through the eyes of a frightened child... What I found much more confusing was the seemingly unsolvable time-loop paradox.."Luke" is clearly very young when he finds the Child, but is an accomplished Jedi; so he's been trained by Yoda for a long time..but can't have been?! He must have spent a lot of time with the Child (by the time he's the old, pathetic fart of the sequels)..but have no memories or learnt nothing new from it?! Etc..he looked older by the end of The Return of the Jedi, than they made him out to be in that scene in the Mandalorian! So the time line was all over the place. THIS to me was much more of a contradiction, and therefore evidence of weak story telling and inclusion for fan service, than the Drinkers' take on it.. And I thought exactly the same thing about the shoot-out scene in the last episode, "So now he's the Terminator?!" as he struggles up to the door impervious to the platoon shooting at him...! If his armour is so resistant, and he CLEARLY KNOWS IT IS, why was he ever afraid of blaster fire?! Why hasn't he been doing this THE WHOLE DAMN TIME?! I got an inkling as the reasons when I watched the "Disney Gallery" series though..it becomes obvious you have 5 or 6 DIFFERENT directors/producers working on this separately, each doing their own individual episodes, as opposed to (what I thought) say two or three COOPERATING on each episode (doing separate tasks, scenes, etc)..this, to me anyway, introduces the chance each person has a slightly different set of "rules" in their minds for their universe, so what is coherent in EACH PERSON'S MIND becomes fractured as a whole. Maybe the Drinker should've though of that.

[@waldotheranger3987]

​@@mutasimaldory For the issue with the luke and the child timeline, it's been theorized for awhile now that they're going to completely write the sequels out of new star wars by putting them in a separate timeline where ahsoka died to vader. I recommend the vids by 'lore star' on the subject. as for why mando is still afraid of blaster fire, he's still got some significant chinks in his armor, so while his armor is impervious, he is still not. if he gets unlucky he's still very dead or incapacitated depending on if the blaster finds it's way to his arm or to his neck.

[@mutasimaldory]

@@waldotheranger3987 🤣 My point wasn't to nitpick or overthink it too much, I was just trying to point out there were bigger plot holes than some of what the Drinker honed in on. *But, just for the sake of a friendly debate, my comment about Luke was that he was a bad choice as a mentor for Baby Grogu because he looked even more fresh-faced in that digital remake than in A New Hope..so, while he is portrayed as an accomplished swordsman and Master Jedi in the fight scene (implying he'd been in training for a long time already), he can't just be retconned into being there because it doesn't really work. How can he have been trained by Yoda for years, lost his hand to Vader, been pivotal in the fall of the Empire..and be even younger decades later when he meets Grogu? And how is he going to realistically train a being who is going to outlast him by centuries, filling up many of his lifetimes before it even reaches puberty?! Or is he going to hand him over to someone else..in which case his appearance was irrelevant. So it doesn't matter if the sequels are deleted or not..bringing Luke back was no doubt a deliberate giant middle finger to KKK and Ruin Johnsonless' 'vision' for him, but the issue (for me) is that he can't be that young decades after the fall of the empire anyway, not that he doesn't 'mention' the Baby in The Force Awakens/Rise of the Jedi.. *Same thing with the armour thing..in that scene, his whole strategy relies on his conviction his armour will hold out enough for him to get the job done..this isn't a "drive-the-car-at-the-gateway-and-hope-for-the-best" last-ditch effort to escape the villians; it is the conviction your Armoured Personnel Carrier is tougher than the pick-up car driving at you, so you're safe in your attempt to run it off the road.. In other words, you either ALWAYS knew it was tough enough to take a chance on...or it wasn't, and you were just relying on being lucky "that one time"...so why only be so confident that one time?! *Also, whether or not your armour can deflect a PENETRATING shot doesn't protect you from the concussion wave from it, so even without the chinks or vulnerabilities of the suit itself it didn't make sense regardless; it was just to make him look 'heroic', going out on a high.. *The treatment of the Stormtroopers was also particularly bad anyway, they were always a joke all the way back when they were conceived in the 70's (with whole theories and debates as to if they were DELIBERATELY this bad) but even though Drinker mocks the Dark Troopers abduction scene, the fact is they were unnecessary anyway; if the cruiser can target the Crest with such devastating accuracy from space, and Gideon already knows the Baby's location so precisely as to only need 4 androids to zoom down and get him; why not blast everything and everyone to oblivion from space in the first place?! The whole scene was filler, not convincing in the slightest..no matter WHAT time you send your elite troops. *I was actually impressed by the limited number of characters per episode, in contrast to Drinker (or the big budget failures of the movies); I took it as proof of how gripping a well-written story can be, without the need for a massive budget and meaningless character trees. But it didn't work when the same characters have to be recycled again and again; is Tatooine, and Peli Motto, the only place in the ENTIRE GALAXY Mando can get anything repaired?! Surely a lone wolf hunter, on the run from everyone, has the sense to never visit the same place twice..same with reusing Cara Dune, or Greef Karga, or the (ridiculous) story arc with Migs Mayfeld.. *The 'Side Quest' analogy was a good one, because it was made clear Mando was just trying to unload his duties (and the child) as quickly as possible to get back on with his life..but then he's turned into the Lone Ranger, fighting injustice wherever he sees it. More to his ethos would have been a "I already have a quest, I will come back and help you when I have finished it" rather than constantly following these crumbs of clues that he already KNOWS lead nowhere (eg, The Marshalls armour return) So, while undoubtedly it was an enjoyable show while it lasted (I honestly don't believe it can continue, and - if they have any sense - it shouldn't) it DOES have a lot of contrivances in it

[@capnmoby9295]

Agreed, it almost feels like he didnt 100% payed attention but thats alright i guess

[@pilkers2]

A lot of people complain about the show having a lot of “filler” but the show is supposed to show dins journey throughout the galaxy and how he reacts to certain things and the show explores new parts of StarWars galaxy

[@counterguardian6145]

Problem is that these self contained episodes are boring and dumb. They could be interesting but they aren't.

[@pilkers2]

@@counterguardian6145 that’s kinda subjective though

[@DariusVladimirAuditore]

The issue with what they are doing in these new Star Wars titles is that they come up with ideas for story tackling a different part of Star Wars, but they really can't help themselves to add all these fanservice elements for the sake of 'interconnectivity' as some people put it. And it results in the idea of the show being overshadowed by the callbacks. It would have been interesting if The Mandalorian were just this sci fi western in the Star Wars universe, exploring the idea of the Mandalorian culture, without bringing back old characters and such, but that's too much to ask. Same is happening with the new Bad Batch series, where you'd expect the show to explore the clones and their conflicted existence, but instead it does everything but that and the Bad Batch itself feel less like the main characters and more like side characters in their own show.

[@pilkers2]

@@DariusVladimirAuditore I do actually agree with this although I do believe the Luke cameo at the end of the show makes sense considering it was set up and makes sense for Luke to come out trying to find baby yoda because he’s force sensitive

[@Real_MisterSir]

True but it wouldn't hurt to shift things up just a little bit, or give some better buildup to the big payoffs. It's very much like playing a game after you're done with the main quest line, and all you do now is just roam around completing whatever extra content you left hanging during the main story arc. There's also a lot o loose ends that they toy with, but never actually make anything significant out of. The Mandalorian metal pieces that he gathers through the show for example, they make a big deal out of it and how much it means to them, but in reality it's nothing more than very expensive utility items, and every piece is only showcased in its usefulness once or twice after being obtained. Same with a lot of the characters we meet, they just come into focus out of nowhere, and with minimal context to their existence in the particular setting we see them in. It just comes off as quite hollow. All this I say as someone who genuinely enjoyed the Mandalorian show so far, it gave me hope for the Star Wars universe's continued existence, and it proved that there are legitimate good intentions within Disney/Lucasfilm staff, and the visual artists are holding everything together like always. It gives me hope that the sequel trilogy is not going to be a defining element in the future of Star Wars. But that is not to say that the Mandalorian could easily have been made far more interesting to watch, and intellectually written. As it sits, imo, it's oversimplistic, and is often saved by the merits of being a good Star Wars experience at the core.

[@YouSpewed]

"Jesus I'd be surprised if THIS guy [Bill Burr] doesn't get his own show before long..." HAD me ROLLING!!! LOL

[@happiness1772]

Old Billy Blue Balls has hit the big time.

[@wavingdragon]

Knowing Bill Burr, I would be quite excited if he got to get a Star Wars spin-off.

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

I'd watch it.

[@denimchicken104]

Watch the fan-edit “driving with Bill burr” from the transport scene. An entire show like that would be hilarious.

[@Didi_Meow_Records]

he was given an animated show... is a good start for Ol Billy Bill Bill if you mean a show for Mayfeld id totally watch it ofc....

[@jvigil2007]

I just watched that Disney Gallery show about the making of The Mandalorian. I absolutely LOVE how Jon Favreau doesn't give a shit about most of what Kathleen Kennedy has to say. Even when you watch him speak, he rarely looks over to her.

[@elliotnoon6334]

Yeah, whenever she started talking at the table I was just thinking " why are you here? You didn't contribute to making the show good at all. And unsurprisingly she adds nothing important to the conversations their having.

[@cookiecrumbgaming9026]

Same honestly why is she hear she ruined starwars with her feminist garbage

[@matthewblack2926]

@@elliotnoon6334 Whenever she starts talking, he's probably thinking, "Lady, listen. I am the reason Iron man has been loved since day one of the MCU. I practically ran that show until Kevin Feige took the reigns. Now I'm trying to do the same with what's left of this once beloved franchise that you've burned into the ground, with your obsession over identity politics, so I'd appreciate it if you just shut your mouth and let me and the other competent people at this table do the stuff around here."

[@critterray6742]

@@matthewblack2926 the last sentence hit the bullseye. Competent people. Peter Jackson did LOTR and was clearly competent. Competent people were not used for Disney trilogy. Look at High Republic or whatever that thing is called. They plagiarized asho katans book in part and butchered the morals of the Jedi. Clearly established character arcs and known ideals shouldn't be reused and retconned for ease or lack of creativity. Competent people would know this.

[@hamsamich9]

I admit it. That scene did in fact put the jelly back in my donut.

[@rog6725]

Thank you Sargent Murtagh

[@commandervile394]

Despite it's few shortcomings and rushed sequences, 5 minutes of Mando is still 10,000 times better than the entire new sequel trilogy.

[@jackiebartolo235]

A Jedi is never late nor is he early he arrives precisely when he means to Luke Skywalker

[@hasan_z]

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[@DanielZenMaster]

That's what Gandalf said in The Lord of the Rings about wizards ;)

[@jackiebartolo235]

Yes I'm aware that's the joke...more of how convenient Luke's timing was in the final episode...also mostly the timing of characters in this show in general Mando seems to get bailed out a lot by it or vise versa

[@Trigormike]

@@jackiebartolo235 I definitely noticed that, probably because I watched the whole season in a short time period. At least once an episode, something always comes out of the blue to rescue the heroes when they look done for.

[@Catsrules1]

Luke didn't say that stupid, Luke Picard said it.

[@swa7169]

Not only is Luke the most logical person to train baby Yoda, he's really the ONLY logical person.

[@DefinitivelyNotCthulhu]

He not the only logical person just the most recognized out of the possible. Especially since they haven't uncanonized the sequels, then baby yoda would kinda be fucked

[@MrlspPrt]

The only logical person... until you realises he's the one who ran away from his nephew...

[@dolphinpower1107]

The only other one that I know of might have been Ezra but h it a isn't very well known.

[@VideoPictureViewer]

@@DefinitivelyNotCthulhu Who else is there at this point? Ahsoka Tano isn't a Jedi/won't train Grogu. We know from the Star Wars Rebels Epilogue and from the show's creators that Ezra Bridger is alive (although I do not understand how) but wouldn't Grand Admiral Thrawn have him captive? Doesn't that just leave Cere Junda and Cal Kestis, but it makes more sense for both of them to have been hunted down by Darth Vader.

[@NinjacksonYT]

Did no one here play Jedi Academy as a kid...? This Luke felt like a direct homage/reference to the post-Empire Luke we got in that game.

[@Darkhell87]

The Luke scene makes perfect sense. The Boba Fett episode they went to the sacred Jedi site to amplify baby Yoda's force and reach out to another Jedi. Luke felt his presence, the danger, and his location. Did you really say "I don't know why Luke was in full battle mode"? He got a distress signal through the force and finds the Jedi on an Imperial ship. Why would he not be in full battle mode?

[@mightymartianca]

Luke's reveal wasn't perfect, but Like actually being a kick ass Jedi made the Mandalorian season 2 worth it.

[@BetterCallStan]

By the way, the point of the Tython stone was to call Jedi to Grogu.

[@BetterCallStan]

@TheSovietOnion l that is an issue, I was just explaining what the stone did.

[@SGK1206]

@Jordan Carreira a bit convenient considering the main crew were seconds away from being killed by the dark troopers

[@dangamer8884]

@TheSovietOnion l It's called creating drama. Jesus, it's a TV show for fucks sake. If everything played out perfectly our shows would be pretty boring

[@RottingYoda]

@TheSovietOnion l Why does anybody do anything in a world where magic exists. It happened constantly in the original trilogy. Best not to over analyze a fantasy fiction or you'll wonder why A New Hope didn't play out like Citizen Kane

[@zmeicorp]

@TheSovietOnion l There was a shot that you can see in the background a figure was standing next to Grogu at the stones.That was Luke (or the jeans guy again).

[@supermoviegeeks7251]

“It’s heart is in the right place” That’s a lot coming from this guy

[@Raximus3000]

He did a fair review, though some parts were mistaken, like what BY was doing on top of those ruins it was explained and it is likely what lead Luke to him. The timing was of course for dramatic tension.

[@BenchongDy]

It's Star Wars. It's impossible to create any Star Wars material without Nostalgia. For the first time, I disagree with the drinker. Bottoms up!

[@wesscotchdog9078]

As a man who was 1 when SW came out, it's fair to say that Luke and Han were my childhood mythological characters. To see them ruined and destroyed was heartbreaking, and as petty and fan-servicing as Luke's appearance was, it hit my heartstrings big time.

[@standupguy12]

I never felt like Han was ruined. I thought he was excellent, even in the flashback in Episode 9

[@sethralavode9012]

Why deepfake it? You’re telling me they couldn’t find one person that looks like a young Luke?

[@wesscotchdog9078]

@@sethralavode9012 I don't disagree.

[@wesscotchdog9078]

@@standupguy12 Except he was a deadbeat dad and garbage husband? When your kid kills you, you obviously failed as a parent, right? The implied shittyness of Han in the Disney Dump Trilogy was evident.

[@brendanbuxton9848]

@@wesscotchdog9078 I think the writers forgot that you can have adversity thrust upon characters without destroying their established heroic integrity. And that's probably what upset fans about the Han and Luke treatment; it rolls back the character development they had in the original trilogy and does it with the thinnest of explanations.

[@mechagaijinkaiju7186]

It's a shame that it took lucasfilm 5 years to do what Star Wars fans actually wanted

[@mrillis9259]

It's like all day breakfast. It's their last effort to make money. Weird that it's the obvious thing to do from the start.

[@mechagaijinkaiju7186]

@Biden DidntWin while I understand the sentiment, up until the Disney purchase, lucasfilm did put out numerous pieces of media which Star Wars fans ate up, in particular I enjoyed many of the video games. Lucas definitely didn't do what many people had hoped for, but he was light years better than Disney

[@markusfreund6961]

@@mrillis9259 A dysfunctional mind will only resort, with utmost disdain, to the obviously reasonable when its whole portfolio of deluded, irrational nonsense has been thoroughly depleted.

[@notacompleteidiot...1285]

5 years? I've been waiting longer than that. Most of this show now is just nostalgiabating the audience. Before that it was parading a cute baby alien around with a stoic alpha male archetype, to get women to watch. Meh.

[@nofutureproductions9242]

As just about every other franchise; and still waiting.

[@toby1061]

I mean a lot of those “side quests” were plot drivers. The got Bill Burr so they can find the location of Moff Gideon’s ship. They went to the imperial base to destroy but find out why the empire wants baby Yoda. Ahsoka wants something so she can trust Mando and train baby Yoda. First episode Mando looks for other mandos but has to help a town to find a person to tell him where the mandos are. Most episodes were good and it makes sense he does it this way since Baby Yoda is the main priority. They will probably tie up the random plot holes and narratives introduced in the next season.

[@Tyrone2714]

Yeah this is a running theme throughout season 2. Almost every episode was filler, except at the end of each episode we get a snippet of information to kick the proverbial can slightly further down the road. I'm terms of actual plot you could easily take this season and fit it into less than two episodes with room to spare. And I'm all for character development, but when 6-7 out of am 8 episode show is filler then its a bit much imo. I still mostly enjoyed it but I feel it gets way too overhyped

[@Defa_Noob]

I agree, a lot of the "filler" episodes either develop mando's character more or introduces something that adds to a future episode

[@jrv7346]

I actually tend to prefer the "filler" episodes. They're very enjoyable.

[@matane2465]

"They will probably tie up the random plot holes in the next part" Gee where have I heard that before. It's not like people were saying the exact same thing after episode viii came out or anything.

[@toby1061]

M K The thing is this show is better directed and over seen by people who care about Star Wars. Filoni and Faverau love Star Wars and will continue to make it better.

[@jamievaughn5586]

If Bill Burrs character gets his own show I'll fuckin watch that shit.

[@turdiousmcfurgeson1570]

One of the best comedians of our time and Drinker calls him "this guy." Ugh

[@moonmannd7501]

Just him doing his infamous Philadelphia set but to Jabba's stadium racetrack thing

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Bill burr sucks.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

​@@turdiousmcfurgeson1570 Lol. Only Americans think he's funny. the rest of us know he sucks.

[@behindbarsmototouring898]

The moral of Disney Star Wars: Never get caught in a hallway with a Skywalker and his lightsaber.

[@Boomman-xo9uk]

Don’t get caught in a hallway with a force senseitve in general

[@silenceburns1336]

I'm dreading the Obi-wan show after reading the prologue of the Legends novel some years back. Never walk into a bar that has a Kenobi in it. Chances are, you won't have a hand anymore.

[@freshpalm4473]

You know, I love this show It's not a masterpiece, it's not perfect, it's just a good entertaining story.

[@masonl.4275]

Yeah and I'd say my favorite part of fan service was actually fleshing out the tuskan raiders like it shows they're not entirely monsters and adds onto the story

[@buntado6]

@@masonl.4275 Just like Kotor 1 did

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

It’s kinda nice that the episodes have that “side quest” angle IMO. It bothers me in a lot of series when you have to watch hours of tv to get a complete story. Mando is one of the few shows that doesn’t make me anxious about needing to finish the story.

[@digitalranger4259]

I like the aspect of a full story in one episode as well, but in a show like this, there should be revelations about the major season arc as well, new insights about the major characters, not just a pointer to the next quest at the end.

[@BojangleBaggins]

“You have to watch hours to get a complete story”. Are you new to movies and television? Lol

[@lordbezzington8435]

Feels like old star trek in that same sense

[@alexstreet9470]

Holy fuck . So like if the Mando is slow . . . And builds characters . That’s bad . Take too long . Show make immediate overpowered Mary Sue with no backstory . Too short . Not enough . What the fuck is it actually that you want ? 1.5hr episodes with massive character development and then climax , and then next episode ? Good luck . You and drinker make your TV show that absolutely encapsulates every single solitary episode with all the character development and zero filler . I’ll sign up to watch it first . Till then . . . Maybe let set your bar a little lower or just hate everything . Your choice I guess .

[@metallicnole4514]

Right now having the mandalorian "playing it safe" is exactly what star wars needs right now. Especially since the fanbase is quite borderline given the laundry list of bad storytelling and violations to the OT. Why take risks that could very easily divide the fanbase even further?

[@JR-sx3gl]

Maybe because I am a woman who likes playing computer games I actually liked it. I liked how small set backs had consequences and drove a need in next episode. I liked how for once the character didn't need to worry about money, he took jobs to either help out or it was necessary for obtaining information or an item (but you didn't feel that they'd starve or not be able to fuel the ship). I definitely agree that the fights are boring if there's no tension, but I liked how he kept upgrading his gear. The cherry on top was that because there weren't unnecessary time jumps we had time to see the fatherly bond grow stronger and that what makes this show for me. I didn't cry because Luke came, I cried because a man and a child were saying goodbye and he took his helmet off for him. It's like saying "I'm no longer defined by being a Mandalorian, I'm your father and you mean more than anything in the world to me" That's what made the show for me.

[@LeonardoTheAlien]

The simple episodic structure is on purpose, it is meant to mirror old spaghetti westerns, which it does extremely well. This show is not meant to be uber complex.

[@MichaelPhillips-jw4bj]

Not to be rude, but how does this invalidate the any of the said criticism?,,, ''Its on purpose'' is a appeal to intent fallacy -The intent is irrelevant. When saying a specific part is weak it doesn't matter if its a mistake or by design i.e'' hey this test answer is wrong, ' well i did that on purpose/by mistake''' well the claim of it being wrong is still true''.. ,, if its weak in certain area' 'on purpose' then all the more reason to embrace the obvious but valid criticism. I mean if your claim is true, then the S.Westerns probably had these flaws too. (no structure or style is perfect. they have all have drawbacks).. You take the good aspects and the bad when you embrace that structure

[@W0lfStride]

@@romanwolujewicz old cowboy shows like Gunsmoke. Watched those old Gunsmoke episodes with my grandfather and The Mandalorian's episode structure is very similar. Does it well, each episode tells a story. You can just write them off as "pointless SideQuests", or you can watch each episode as its own story.

[@mainsource8030]

@@MichaelPhillips-jw4bj max means that in the same vein as star trek the next generation , each episode is its own entity for the most part. The old spaghetti westerns were shows where the hero is going from town to town solving problems, and so is the mandolorian. It is not because it is weak or "ANOTHER POINTLESS SIDEQUEEEST" , that is the show, a series of sidequests. Everyone is used to how shows like ST:Discovery have all become linear and to me Mandolorian is a call back to shows like knight rider , magnum pi, supernatural, spaghetti westerns etc.... And I fucking love it.

[@jesperburns]

@@mainsource8030 It's been too long but I'm fairly sure that shows like TNG had far more going on in one episode than just "do job [x] and receive MacGuffin #5". They had character development, world building, (inter)personal drama, moral questions, and the predicament they found themselves in served as a backdrop for any or all of those. The American Western series of old were headed by a charismatic protagonist. The Spaghetti Westerns had a classic 3 act structure with proper stakes and motivations. And Knight Rider and Magnum Pi were cheesy as fuck, it's been 40+ years, surely we've progressed in the way of producing serial content. Let's not forget that shows like that were limited by the technology of the time. Disney has almost unlimited budget and what do we get? Another ice planet, another desert planet. A fucking woolly rhino, a sandworm, a spider. It doesn't get much lazier than the Mandalorian.

[@mainsource8030]

@@jesperburns no, it doesnt get much lazier then game of thrones season 7 & 8, just because you didnt like the mando, which is fine, doesnt mean its lazy, simple yes, lazy not so much

[@MatoVuc]

"the central story isn't very complex" I mean, i watched 20+ episode seasons upon seasons of cartoons, anime, series, sitcoms, etc. Where the central plot wasn't even present in most episodes or boiled down to basically defeat the big bad at the end, so i don't really see the problem. Hell, Star Trek had seasons with no overarching plot what so ever

[@jaworski105]

Star Trek has so many busy work random side quest episodes it’s not even funny. And some of them are pretty fucking dumb.

[@hia5235]

I hold Star Wars to a higher standard than Power Puff Girls. You should too.

[@thymethome6755]

Samuari Champloo...

[@geesterfunk]

Being happy about something won't get views.. That's how they sell news papers, negativity from critics!

[@wesdog784]

Yeah, Jeremy Jahns set it best. It's Star Wars, it doesn't have to be complex. Star Wars was great since the start BECAUSE it's so simple. The goal is to beat the big bad at the end while staying true to characters and the lore. And Mando did that.

[@AdamObenland]

“How did Luke know to show up” oh I don’t know maybe grogu sitting on the pedestal last episode meant something?

[@lito6062]

You`re saying the pedestal was in the imperial ship?

[@CloudGamingBattle]

@@lito6062 No he's saying when Grogu used the pedestal, Luke felt the calling and then used the Force to guide him to Grogu all the way to the ship.

[@alaskamark4562]

marcos vitale. Well, in TESB Luke did manage to find Yoda on Dagobah; if he's able to locate one little green Jedi on a whole friggin planet then I don't think using the Force to find another one is too much of a stretch.

[@untruewalrus1323]

@@alaskamark4562 Its almost as if people are forgetting the part where Ashoka told Mando that Grogu was deliberately hiding his force powers so he wouldn't be hunted, it's almost as if Grogu' s/Yoda's species isn't ridiculously strong in the force and it's not like Luke is currently the only true active Jedi in the galaxy who's actively trying to rebuild the order....... Nooo cause all of those things would be stupid and fanservicey so instead I will REEEEEe about these easily explainable things because fan service bad!1!1!1!!!!1

[@schiavello5]

@@lito6062 Sheeesh

[@Ace-rp7vr]

I actually feel good that people love the Luke skywalker scene. Because you know it’s like the Vader scene hallway, we get to see Luke be more like himself like the OT

[@SeeAyeEye]

I loved the show. I get how he gets annoyed by the 'another sidequest' thing but basically that is what Star Wars is for a lot of people and most fans dont mind it. I know how the original saga ends. I know how the prequels end. Yet there are tons of books/games/comics about all kinds of character in between the films or even after ROTJ. Thats all fans ever asked for. Just more star wars with at least a little bit of passion put into it. And this show finally succeeded where the sequels failed so miserably. All in all i can see some light for star wars as a franchise but seeing how disney has lined up a billion shows also makes me really pessimistic about the whole thing. Because look at how their marvel shows have worked out in the long run. If we can expect star wars shows like that it will be a miserable experience for most of us

[@FallenWolf64]

Wait until the Rebels call in The Avengers.

[@mattcrosby2310]

I'm sorry to pick on you, because there are scores of other comments here that do the same thing, but this comment very accurately demonstrates the "battered spouse" mentality. Plinkett destroyed me because I thought the prequels were good because of flawed thinking. We keep getting poor reflections as reboots/remakes and are accused of toxicity when we don't like what's being done. The sad fact is that this isn't going to stop and no one is going to save us. Consumer culture only ends one of two ways. 🐝 Or 🐞

[@adam3647]

@@mattcrosby2310 OP sounds like he's doing just fine, and he recognizes a product that has been made with care and passion when he sees it. You, on the other hand, sound downright paranoid to even call yourself a Star Wars fan. Plinkett destroyed you? You _thought_ you liked the prequels and then his videos "corrected" you? Sounds like a sheep to me. Favreau and Filoni are the ones who stepped in to fix this mess. They're the ones who saw what fans wanted, and up until this point they've delivered what fans want to see. Judging them only by their output, they absolutely don't deserve the same treatment as the frauds behind the Disney trilogy. It's OK to like something that has a Star Wars logo on it in 2020. I get that some fans aren't used to that yet.

[@mattcrosby2310]

@@adam3647 k

[@handznet]

I love the sidequest scheme. Its like playing dark forces or Jedi Outcast. All i ever Wanted

[@justareader____]

The best way to describe this is: The Sequel trilogy craps in your face and tells you to like it. The Mandalorian is a great, lovable friend who accidentally farts all the time

[@commentcopbadge6665]

And the Mandalorian returned the favour by taking an even bigger more concise dump all over the "sequel" trilogy. Boy that was great.

[@justareader____]

@@commentcopbadge6665 lol

[@jayef9960]

Tbh, force awakens was actually quite good

[@justareader____]

@@jayef9960 no, it wasn’t. It’s fine if you liked it, cuz that’s your opinion, but if we pause to think about the writing in that new hope rip off, it gets dumber and dumber until we’re left with a sad mess. And don’t even get me started on Rey’s “characterization”...

[@jayef9960]

@@justareader____ it was supposed to be like a new hope that was the whole point, and yes I agree that Rey could have been written better

[@walley2637]

wow, i think you only said "F***off show" only one time? that must mean that you love this show. welcome to the fan club lad!

[@xclu3iveisretarded82]

Haha

[@lhd23]

Man, most of your negative points seem to come from a lack of knowledge in Star Wars, or just not understanding some of the plot points in the show itself. Many of the Side Quests make sense if you know the characters, it was totally in character for Bo-Katan to do what she did, and for Ahsoka to refuse to train Grogu after she saw how much fear he had, her own experience with her Master and how he fell to the Dark Side punctuated it. And the whole point of Grogu going to Tython was to call a Jedi, it was the reason he stayed practically the whole episode on that stone meditating, and Luke heard the call. And why wouldn't Luke go into full battle mode if the force-sensitive that called for him is inside an Imperial Light Cruiser full of hostile droids? Luke has been fighting Remnant since ROTJ, he would grasp the basics very quickly, especially if he could feel Grogu when he landed and got how afraid he was. Mando delivers Grogu because he learned how dangerous would be for Grogu to NOT be properly trained, not only the Armorer told him he must take him to the Jedi, but he had plenty of experience on people hunting Grogu and Ahsoka telling him how dangerous to themselves force users could be, and how powerful they were when they trained, he saw that again with Luke kicking the Dark Trooper's ass, I bet he thought of how Grogu would be capable of defending himself when trained by that guy. Some of your critiques are on point but this one sounds like it needed just a bit more research.

[@chrisdoherty1072]

If you have to watch seven seasons of Clone Wars to understand this show, that's not good TV, that's Dave Filoni sitting in a corner fellating himself.

[@lhd23]

@@chrisdoherty1072 How did you reached that conclusion? This has NOTHING to do with TCW, except for maybe the Ahsoka part(but all you need to know is that she was Anakin's Padawan, and that she knows what happened to him, that's it), all the other can be gleaned for exposition in Mandalorian, TCW however, can enrich things by providing more info on Mandalorians. Same thing for watching the movies. All the other stuff, like "How did Luke found Grogu" and "Why would Luke enter into full battle mode" can be explained in the own series and by the movies. Honestly, the last one is stupid as hell, the guy has been fighting the Empire for years, why wouldn`t he enter in "battlemode"?

[@tazzioboca]

@@lhd23 the biggest criticisms I have towards this show is how, outside of production, some of its elements are really weak. The acting is not really great, the soundtrack is so cheesy and forgettable, the dialogue is honestly bland and the plot could've been slightly more engaging. I'm going to lose my shit if we get another desert/desolate/umpopulated planet as a setting.

[@lhd23]

@@tazzioboca You do know you could say most about a lot of other Star Wars movies and shows, right?

[@tazzioboca]

@@lhd23 that I could say that about a bunch of other SW media you mean? Sure, I could. But I thought we were talking about the Mandalorian here lol.

[@grimnir8872]

The sidequests are there because they're still trying to be a sort of Anthology of stories while also having an overarching plot.

[@ki11aqueen5]

Well it wastes time

[@ironcladnomad5639]

That’s why they should’ve leveraged the Bounty Hunter Guild to keep things moving.

[@donhill1825]

Breaking Bad (I know, I know a better show..) had an entire episode where they tried to kill a fly. A TV show doesn't need to constantly address the main plot. I like the little side-quest breaks.

[@ee-pd6oq]

@@ki11aqueen5 if there weren't side quests the show would be over in 2 episodes.

[@danortiz]

like 99% of the shows.

[@nigelpisswater484]

I just realized Djarin is just wearing a full set of plot armor.

[@concept5631]

Beskar man. Gotta have the plot protect him somehow.

[@PeripheralPigeon]

I thought that rather a strange moment to pick on. Although he survived, his getting battered allowed me to suspend my disbelief in his mortality. Cara Dune deciding 'huh, gun's jammed, might as well RUN UP TO THEM AND CLUB 'EM' seemed much worse to me. She doesn't have the magic armour, and it undermines the threat of the already-caving-in stormtroopers horrifically.

[@Thalanox]

His armour might be basically invulnerable to blasters and lightsabers, but it doesn't cover his entire body. He easily could have been shot in a place where the armour didn't protect him.

[@concept5631]

@@Thalanox He was also visibly staggering when being shot at by those dozen or so troopers in the hallway. He was lucky he wasn't shot in the neck or a joint.

[@themanthemyth4522]

Yeah once his armor was upgraded I kinda abandoned all "he can get hurt" Also bonus points for the real name

[@VitZ9]

Damn, those KZbinrs crying over Luke actually made me want to cry when I realised even they could have given us a better sequel trilogy.

[@dismemberedlamb9104]

📠

[@tomasyevenes7558]

All those writers and members from the staff from the show that could´ve made a better job in making the sequels, it feels like a wasted oportunity

[@jarink1]

Those KZbinrs crying over Luke made me laugh. I mean, it wasn't exactly an emotionally impactful scene.

[@homelessjesse9453]

I saw Return of the Jedi in the theaters as a kid and I never cried.

[@jamiengo2343]

@@jarink1 waaaaat??? Alright perhaps not the Luke scene but the it provides an emotional foundation for the Baby Yoda scene afterwards that had me cry

[@lordapples]

When Grogu meditated on the stone in that circle thing, he reached out through the force to any other jedi that would be willing to train him. That's what made Luke come looking for him. Personally I think any other jedi showing up would have been disappointing cause it wasn't Luke. You nailed it on the head that a lot of the episodes feel like RPG side quests, but that's what I love about it. It feels like an RPG but with cool looking live action filming.

[@rog6725]

Having ready everything possible "Star Wars" 35-25 years ago ... There were not a lot of Jedi around. The TV series even made mention of Grand Admiral Thrawn. Luke was one of the few Jedi that might even exist to show up. Still a very nostalgic, manipulative, heart-string moment. Loved it.

[@johnnydub2304]

"How did Luke know where to find Yoda?" My best guess is that the "temple" that Ahsoka sent the Mandalorian to in ep. 6 actually worked and essentially let Luke lock onto the kid.

[@Hellion73]

And Luke was looking for other force sensitives at the time, he was the last to his knowledge at least in the old canon🤷‍♂️

[@johnnydub2304]

@@Hellion73 this is true as well.

[@drlee2]

Bingo! lol Grogu was literally connecting with someone through the Force while Mando, Boba and Fennec were fighting off Gideon's troopers on Tython. That someone was obviously Luke, who needed time to get to Gideon's ship to find the kid.

[@rojanrjeugenio1879]

He literally says that he thinks Grogu is just meditating.

[@SAMagic]

Mando could have said a line to Grogu like "Did you call out for him?"

[@Psycorde]

Hate to be that guy, but actually, Luke knew where to find Grogu because they have established connection when kid hooked up to Jedi wi-fi in that temple on the mountain. Ashoka directly told Mando to go there for that very reason, so Grogu could reach out to other Jedi if there are any left. Dunno how you missed that

[@dysonwitwer6430]

Yeah it was like directly referenced as one of the most important plot points

[@darthboganis1356]

@@dysonwitwer6430 can you solve time travel now, Einstein?

[@MightyGachiman]

He willfully ignored a lot of shit just to make haha funny side quest joke over and over again.

[@mahfuzurchowdhury2765]

@@MightyGachiman, yep, and kept throwing in "NPC".

[@sztallone415]

that is true, he ignored some things, like the revelation that Moff used Grogu's blood in space nazi evil experiments. but the meat of it remains: Luke conveniently showed up at the perfect time from nowhere to save the heroes without breaking a sweat. awful writing. and the season was full of shit 'twists' like this.

[@dismemberedlamb9104]

I understand both sides with Luke. But seeing him kick ass like that is something every Star Wars fan can appreciate

[@hia5235]

Nope. Stop brining this man back from the dead to make cash. -Thanks, Real Fans

[@user-vy7xo8kg8d]

@@hia5235 "Real fans"

[@hia5235]

@@user-vy7xo8kg8d Correct. Real Fans.

[@harrydubois6619]

@@hia5235 You have a fitting name

[@hia5235]

​@@harrydubois6619 Yeah ask your mom about it.

[@yoursodumn]

Simply the extraction of the Krayt dragon Pearl and subsequent celebration from the sand people brought a tear to my eye. The amount this show gets right on lore is insane, to the smallest detail. Dewbacks on Tatooine, Sand People not being portrayed as savages, which is something even the original trilogy didn't really do. The way they killed the Krayt dragon was so similar to how you do it in KOTOR. Also, three shows have made me cry, and this was one of them. They succeeded in getting me emotionally invested. And despite Pedro Pascal's personal politics or whatever, he did an amazing job as Din.

[@MrSnaztastic]

You know, this kinda makes me wish the people making Star Trek these days actually cared as much as the people doing the Star Wars "TV" shows. What a weird world where Trek is now the vapid fantasy.

[@evertonporter7887]

That episode reminded me of Dune so much, when Paul Atreides had to capture a sandworm.

[@rustyrust9689]

Wait, Sarkeesian thought “Mandalorian’s” is how you pluralize Mandalorian? Hate to be grammar police, but doesn’t she claim to be a writer, or at least educated?

[@stormycd392]

She has a degree in communications. *snicker*

[@palaiologos4441]

@@zogwort1522 Isn't she just a discredited conspiracy theorist at this point?

[@MatthewSmith-wv5fi]

Apostrophe 's' ...is possessive, not pluralization. Not defending Sarkeesian. Grammer says: Plural: Mandalorians Possessive: Mandalorian's Plural possessive: Mandalorians'

[@rustyrust9689]

@@MatthewSmith-wv5fi yep exactly

[@MatthewSmith-wv5fi]

@@rustyrust9689 as long as we're clear, lol. The only thing more pathetic than Sarkeesian is dumb men quoting her.

[@julianhofmann7851]

Disney: *Hands Customer a piece of chocolate* Customer: "Delicious!" Disney: "Great, I know what to do next!" *Shoves 5 Pounds of chocolate down the customers throat* Kind of reminds me of Avatar: solid work, nice eye-candy, but keeping the story as generic as possible to avoid any risk. I get the idea when Disney+ depends on it, but will that be enough in the long term?

[@alexanderhowarth6460]

Star Wars is supposed to be for kids. Its not like the original movies were Hamlet, they're a damn fairytale for god's sake

[@HodgyWOW]

I feel like Disney has had to go safe until we have other shows that are airing and worth for marvel and star wars fans to sub. Now they are going full story of mandolore and Boba has his own shit

[@handznet]

@@alexanderhowarth6460 for kids? Cmon... its like if you say. That old simpsons were for kids. Not at all they were for adults and kids

[@alexanderhowarth6460]

@@handznet yeah they're mainly for kids though. The Simpsons is significantly more mature. Dude I'm 30, I love Star Wars. It's still a fairy tale, and fairy tales are for kids

[@alexanderhowarth6460]

@@HodgyWOW it's not going to get any more mature or complex than this. This is Star Wars. If that bothers you, you're probably more of a Warhammer 40k person. That makes you a dork but that's okay

[@ExclVids]

Mandalorian in a Disney Star Wars universe is like being a Cleveland Browns fan. After years of 5 wins or less seasons, winning 10 games feels like you've won the Super Bowl.

[@nt78stonewobble]

Basically this... The Mandalorian imho. is the best star wars to come out of disney and you can make of that what you will... and how much of a battered housewife I am (according to critical drinker :D ). EDIT and PS: Since you have to spell out everything these days, since the literal minded people have taken over. No, the best star wars to come out of disney, is not saying much. I was, however, still somewhat entertained I'll take the emotional payoff over consistency, as long as it's my gf paying for disney plus and not me.

[@scott96999]

Bro, you weren't paying attention... That whole "take the baby to the force runes" bit was about him reaching out from a place strong with the force so the Jedi could sense him, then find him and take him to train. All very clearly explained by Ahsoka Tano.

[@rafaelglopezroman1110]

7:10 the show literally explains that in the stone he will become a beacon to other jedi, which is why Luke begins to track him down. This is why you don't play *take a shot everytime a stormtrooper misses* drinking game.

[@SkadadeLjud]

He missed a ton of stuff. I'm guessing he was hitting the sauce throughout the entire season :D

[@squidy2902]

yeah feels like he just didn't watch the show

[@boggless2771]

Yeah and same with the dark troopers. As soon as the dark troopers were powered up (which takes some time as evidenced by the next episode) the regular storm troopers left. If there's anything to criticize in that episode its the random, "take off the jetpack" then mando doesn't put it on to fight everyone else despite a clear truce between him and boba/fennec.

[@boggless2771]

Oh and the only reason he didnt put it back on is because he could've flown up with the dark troopers and they wanted to save the fight for next episode.

[@rafaelglopezroman1110]

@@boggless2771 yeah that was a real plot hole, dude could've easily called back his jetpack from any location since its remote control.

[@r-s3573]

He starts every video with “you know”

[@anibalrodriguez2626]

Underrated line, is the third best one after: "Nah, it'll be fine" and "Go away now"

[@Zieg_Games]

Gotta stay on brand.

[@HighlyRegarded420]

Goo awee naio.

[@JoJoJoker]

Go away now.

[@TheRocco96]

Which is much better than all those youtubers who start by begging to press the subscribe button, or who ramble about their sponsor for 5 minutes.

[@DoomRulz]

I'm not ashamed to admit I cried tears of joy when Luke made his appearance on the bridge.

[@lonewolf9578]

I had a massive smile on my face through that whole sequence

[@AlexK42069]

Yeah i haven't been glued to my seat that much for years. It was amazing. Felt stuff haven't felt in a LOOOONG long time.

[@Mansini77]

It was cool. Vader’s bridge scene in R1 killing rebels topped it tenfold.

[@tomasyevenes7558]

@@lonewolf9578 I was smiling and laughing like a little kid

[@estheri3424]

Probably others already pointed it out, but Cobb Vanth and the Boba Fett story line is actually from the Expanded Universe, so they just took the storyline of Cobb Vanth wearing Boba Fett's armour who has, in fact, survived the sarlacc pit. But the fact that they're taking EU characters and stories in definitely warms them more to long-time fans who are familiar with that material.

[@Trifelivin]

The Drinker saying Merry Xmas almost warmed my cold black heart.

[@Deltaworks23]

Christmas

[@FallenWolf64]

Okay. Go away now.

[@jstitus916]

Mandalorian is probably the only starwars thing that's not shit atm. Is it perfect? Absolutely not. It's just fun to watch. I don't care about the greater story of the franchise anymore. I enjoy it for what it is

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

It's just passable. Season 1 was a boring ass generic TLOU copy, and Season 2 was nothing but TCW and OT guest stars galore. At one point, it stops being "fun".

[@mikkelangelokers9965]

Clone wars is also not shit

[@specialunit0428]

I'm sorry, but by saying that, you are part of the problem. Disney relies on people who just think "Oh well, it isn't perfect but they tried etc" so they can get money no matter what. Don't settle for second best, aim for the best.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

@@specialunit0428 Exactly, lowering standards won't do any good.

[@federicoeero1751]

@@specialunit0428 Yep, acceptance for this level of incompetence is simply not acceptable. A lesser garbage shitshow, is still a garbage shitshow.

[@bgoodfella7413]

The Mandalorian is simply just a fun show to watch.

[@DutchmanDavid]

It's a show that doesn't annoy the fuck out of me, which is a low bar, so that's a win in MY book! Shit, I really am a battered housewife, aren't I?