Kingdom Of The Planet Of The Apes - More Of The Same

Kingdom, the fourth entry in the competent but slightly forgettable Planet of the Apes remake series, is a decent but slightly unnecessary movie that continues the Apes saga a few hundred years in the future. Is it worth your time?
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[@purevessel4506]

The one good thing about Kingdom whether you like or hate it is that it doesn’t really affect the enjoyment of the previous trilogy. Toy Story 4, Kung Fu Panda 4 basically undo the endings of the third film. This is basically a whole new story with a new set of characters set centuries after the trilogy. There’s nothing they can ruin unless they deliberately try to

[@Daemonik]

That's a really good point I hadn't considered. 👍

[@Defaultyboi-fr4mz]

“Toy story 4 undos the ending” says someone with very low intelligence

[@muhammadalikhan7244]

Even they give Caesar a tribute, sort of.

[@TrivedijiGames]

Just how they butcher Every movie series after a trilogy.

[@bawsack69]

What's to ruin? All the remakes are awful.

[@TheFloridaprepper]

It didn't suck. That's a big achievement nowadays.

[@donaldbell2554]

agree

[@HOTWHEELSCOTT]

Exactly. My expectations are set so low now so I didn’t hate or love it.. It was enough to get me into the theater and that’s something they need these days.

[@FireJach]

You are focusing on bad products. There is more good than bad

[@syndikatehvac]

The last act to me was blah. I enjoyed it up to that point.

[@tonyg76]

This did suck, especially the ending.

[@MikkiLGalloway]

In the Original films most of the Apes were as bad as the former humans. It's why the dressing down of Ape culture was so interesting.

[@reyray7184]

LMAO it wasn't about monkeys

[@user-cz9jj2em2v]

@@reyray7184 There is a lesson in there

[@franciscodanconia4324]

Any animal species with advanced intelligence, self-awareness and the understanding of the concept of self interest and free will is going to end up with good and evil. It’s just inevitable.

[@KajiCarson]

Wait... are you talking about the old original trilogy or the new(er) original trilogy? Not trolling.

[@ObservingProcrastinator]

@@KajiCarson Both are applicable

[@MikkiLGalloway]

I gotta give props to the effects team because those apes look photorealistic. Hair is one of the most difficult elements to animate and they all look great. Well done to them.

[@valthenvega2434]

2011 to me was already a great achievement for the franchise, I’m glad to know it kept getting better and it hasn’t become uncanny

[@maximos905]

They look CG to me. Practical affects are better

[@basedsoothsayer]

@@maximos905 After thousands of auditions there just wasn't a talking ape available.

[@jacktran7024]

@Mikki. Thanks for the compliments..funny thing is our director (wes ball) made us go to beauty school for 3 weeks to learn how to perm hair and weave them ourselves. He wanted us to be one with the hair and it really helped us in the end by making it easy to create those ape costumes with the hair looking so real. Hope you enjoyed the movie.

[@BarryHart-xo1oy]

Very true.

[@fabersoul]

Caesar was the heart and soul of this franchise

[@damiand2422]

Yes, but Kingdom has no heart.

[@greg.peepeeface]

yeah, that was the best part of Rise, Caesar and Lithgow

[@matthewvalente5877]

@@damiand2422 i disagree i love the reboot trillggy as well as this movie why more then the origanels i hate the orgianel planet of the apes movies just becuse there cosred classsics did not mean the objectly good movies pulse charles hestion cant act to save his life i love the fact that the turned ceaser into a christ like deity and this films ending made me think meybe the world would be a bettter place if humans were not a domant species i mean look at bonaboos they only live in the democratic republic of congo and there are peacefuel of all primates they even prevent confics though sex

[@h4tch3tt74]

​@@matthewvalente5877okay zoomer. The 60s acting was much closer to broadway acting. The same goes for Ben Hur and Ten Commandments. All good movies but all are also of their era. It wasnt until the late 70s that acting for film started becoming a different beast mostly due to camera work and set designs getting better than Broadway stage props. I enjoyed Rise as it gave context to how humans would die out and Apes would take over. Dawn and War are carried by Andy Serkis while the writing wasnt the best.

[@squidikka]

@@matthewvalente5877 sir this is a wendys

[@Jonathan_Collins]

The Caesar trilogy is proof that reboots can be awesome when the teams behind them care about things like story and character instead of relying on the brand name to sell it and going with a lazy check box mentality with the script.

[@hanyolo2041]

I've read this exact comment like 5 times now

[@AndrewReevesArt]

Agreed, it was epic

[@osmanyousif7849]

It also did everything that the Avatar series failed to do.

[@thomgizziz]

@@AndrewReevesArt Was it? I don't hear anybody bringing it up in any conversation about movies, ever. Im more likely to see or hear a reference to the originals. Is there some other reason people like you keep pretending like it was the best thing since sliced bread?

[@OilFreeFeathers]

​@@hanyolo2041Furry bot account.

[@johnlinn]

I have never understood the physics of how a 600lb gorilla can ride a horse without snapping its back.

[@paul-antonywhatshisface3954]

Same way they carried knights in full plate armour whilst wearing armour themselves, i suppose.

[@LeadersInDisguise]

@@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 Knights rode horses similar to Shires, and their armour weighed about 70lb. Horses had very few accessories. Though, honestly, I love these films and pretend that the silly flaws don't exist for the most part.

[@DrTopLiftDPT]

Liberal women go horseback ing all the time lol

[@Zontar82]

I always laughed so hard at that,the idea that another animal is riding a horse

[@ateacherwhogames8893]

@@Zontar82 You mean like people?

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Next sequel would be: The Origins of The Rise of The Dawn of The War of The Kingdom of The Electric Boogaloo of The Planet of The Apes

[@brunumb4914]

You left off "Part 1". 😂😂😂

[@NB-qm7rk]

would watch 100%

[@kithu1231]

Empire of the planet of the apes.

[@LeinadCasey]

​@@kithu1231 and then Planet of the Planet of the Apes

[@sunraider0_0]

​@@LeinadCasey😂😂😂

[@Liberator130]

"They're no better than their former masters." That was already a plot point in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: "I always think... ape better than human. I see now... how much like them we are."

[@jitblues]

The old " apes are more humane than humans shite". These movies are anti human and for that reason are loathsome.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Yeah, it's inevitable for this franchise, so I don't see how it's a complaint.

[@dragonknightleader1]

@user-hz6fj9xy4y Neuro-sama can already shock people.

[@dannykuang9433]

@user-hz6fj9xy4y Right? Like...we'd ever be stupid enough to do that..lmao. :D

[@JHVZ23]

I actually like Planet for showing that quote being illustrated. I think Drinker may be a little hard on this film but I know he doesn't like the Apes movies as a rule so I get it. I think the next couple movies will be brilliant

[@chucksenhowzen9740]

*Hear no Caesar* *Speak no Caesar* *See no Caesar*

[@pvoccsurfshacktitosson4362]

Not liking a movie because it doesn't have a character is a childish approach. I get if it's your opinion, but to not like it just because of that one thing alone is pretty retarded.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

*Kill no Caesar*

[@grandmufftwerkin9037]

Et tu Monke.

[@GM-cw9qr]

There is a fourth one: *Do no Caesar*

[@CD-vb9fi]

@@grandmufftwerkin9037 lol... okay... okay thats a good one!

[@jameschesterton]

That end scene in the original is one of the best things ever captured on film.

[@michaelwills1926]

Yer bloody well right. That and the “stinking paws” bit are timeless.

[@colinbaldwin313]

Yea, hairily.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

I think when Caesar said "NO!" in Rise movie is also as iconic as the ending of the original 1968 movie

[@stephensmith7293]

It unfortunately resulted in a decaying/partially destroyed statue of liberty being used seventeen more times, in seventeen more films. I've lost count of how often the golden gate bridge is destroyed in movies. That's been done AT LEAST a dozen times.

[@tonylovell3589]

But why didn't Taylor spot the English language? Still a great film though

[@thecollector427]

The new PotA movies literally changed the icon of the franchise. It used to be Charlton Heston, now it's Cesar. That's how you know a reboot did something right.

[@kieranelliott5607]

I genuinely love these movies for how seriously they take themselves. Like them or not, they are trying.

[@cian239]

It’s kinda funny when you realize its a CGI chimp delivering this edgy depressed dialogue lol

[@hanyolo2041]

Yep no forced jokes that are in everything these days. For a story about apes I think they have made the best movies they could've. Especially the Caesar trilogy.

[@thomgizziz]

Was were they? I don't hear anybody bringing it up in any conversation about movies, ever. Im more likely to see or hear a reference to the originals. Is there some other reason people like you keep pretending like it was the best thing since sliced bread?

[@bartsullivan4866]

It was a worthy effort and leaves the door open for another film. Just didn't like all the open ended things like what the apes did with the captured humans. What book was Nova wanting besides the tech chip. Why would she contemplate shooting him after he had shown his tribe wasn't a threat to the humans just wanted to be left alone.

[@justinbrown2674]

@@thomgizzizu wrote a whole paragraph about someone liking a movie that u don’t, I doubt u hear it in conversation because nobody has conversations with u

[@thejohnbeck]

Only 6 or 7 bananas out of 10, again

[@coomerslayer420]

8 out of 10 from me

[@drew9738]

8 or 9 for me.

[@w12266]

IGN 11 out of 10

[@purefoldnz3070]

its an 8.

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

So mostly a-peeling, then?

[@Benpepejamin]

Dawn is the best apes movie for me. The Cesar and Koba conflict was where I felt most invested

[@Velgarn]

In Rise of the Planet of the Apes there is a brief moment where you can see that a "Space shuttle got lost in space" which is a reference to the original movies from the '60s. Yet i wonder if they are going to reveal that the humans who can talk are actually the astronauts who basically entered a time anomaly and have now landed back on earth and Mae being a survivor is just a modern take because in the original of the 4 crew members, the woman died first

[@d_boneswish1296]

I hope they include them in later installments. I think that would be cool.

[@valthenvega2434]

It would be interesting for sure, though I’m not sure if it would fit the overall view of the worldbuilding in this version and it’s themes, since part of the surprise for the humans and the audience in the 60’s was to see we fell, and as Drinker said apes have made alliances with humans before to no great avail, so people from 300 years ago showing up to a major ape society who still regards them in disdain may not be suitable, or at least yet

[@rmj8905]

Wasn't the ending of this movie implying the return of the astronauts?

[@Ron_Jambo_]

"Adapted for a modern audience" means women will outlive , outsmart and outpower men in every scenario.

[@eddysandland58]

​@@rmj8905 Exactly! I thought the one human lady who can talk, is getting a message for space!? Setting it up with the others in hazmat suits underground! f

[@chance_ondriezek99]

Am I the only one who thinks that once you’ve seen one of these movies, you’ve seen them all?

[@suave-rider]

no.

[@stevenstamper7904]

No

[@slapshot0074]

Not at all. They are all the same.

[@rayfish007]

yes. I think the Planet of the Apes series is a one of its kind. Very interesting.

[@hendrikscheepers4144]

Nope. I sort of remember the 1st one. I know I.saw the second one, but I can't remember anything about it. Literally forgettable. I can't believe they're such a huge thing.

[@jonbaxter2254]

The first trilogy were cinematic excellence. Caesar screaming no. The bridge fight. That tank one-shot. The final battle at the fortress. Felt like a perfect conclusion.

[@thomgizziz]

Was it? I don't hear anybody bringing it up in any conversation about movies, ever. Im more likely to see or hear a reference to the originals. Is there some other reason people like you keep pretending like it was the best thing since sliced bread?

[@SlyTF1]

​@@thomgizziz Agreed. I don't remember anything about any of those movies.

[@olg.__]

@@thomgizzizlmao bro if you think the originals were better idk what to say😂

[@pascalfernandes6957]

​@@thomgizziz ther well written but the way ther talk about us humens is very...well Hard gto swolow so its easier to not talk about them

[@nicholascoob1350]

​@@thomgizzizWow it's almost like people have different opinions on things

[@chroman112]

Just saw it today. And it was a 8/10 for me. Very solid story telling and set up. They almost trick you into believing Proximus is a villain worse than humans, but he’s like if Caesar and Koba joined ideals. Freya Allen’s character honestly felt more like a villain the longer she was in the movie but I guess that’s maybe what they might be trying to set up

[@HexenStar]

She is very much a villain. Proximus did not feel like a villain. He was just set up as one, by the human girl. Her tribe/cohorts/whatever - planned the whole shabang. Otherwise, why did she need to pretend to be some second-rate Mowgli-clone, when she had all that inside knowledge and then some. Even the reason for her "quest" was a lie.

[@stephenhuggan5151]

Next movie , humans and apes go in search of Tarzan as he is the real lord of the jungle.

[@samuel5591]

Time for Brendon Fraser to reprise his role as George! Only now he's old, bitter, alone and wants no part of it - you know, modern man.

[@QuemStarrr]

nope,it's simba.

[@dutchvanderlinde4713]

@@QuemStarrrLong live King Simba

[@balvinderbance]

I'm a bleeding heart for this franchise Not only Caesar, but Maurice (my favourite character) even Koba were such great characters with more depth and emotional gravitas than most human characters we've seen in cinema these days, especially anything from the MCU

[@nicholastaylor9687]

#KobaDidNothingWrong

[@quintapion_]

@@nicholastaylor9687Based and Bonobo-pilled?

[@xrphoenix7194]

​@@nicholastaylor9687 say what you will about him starting a war with the humans but murdering Ash was wrong and we all know it

[@coomerslayer420]

It’s very ironic that Koba is one of the most evil villain apes and we have Proximus here who is also an evil villain ape. Because both of them are bonobos, and in real life bonobos are actually more empathic, altruistic and always make love and peace with each other. Bonobos are nicer and friendly than chimpanzees in real life, yet this movie series always depicts them as worse than chimps

[@jonbaxter2254]

Maurice was such a chad.

[@thetommyshades5347]

To address something you mentioned. I wouldn't say the main motivations for being sympathetic to the Apes was because they were oppressed by the humans. In the second movie this is actually explored when Koba betrays Caesar "I thought Ape was better than human. I was wrong" So I kind of think one of the themes of the franchise is that yes Apes can be just as violent and depraved as humans. Which honestly in a culture riddled with self-hatred like we're some race of demons destroying the planet it's nice to see the idea explored that if another species had the reins they'd screw up just as much as we would.

[@user-ws1bs4ns7h]

It would be nice for a change to see a movie explore the nice things human do. Because humans DO go deliberately out of their way to be nice to the world we're on, even when it comes at the cost of effeminacy and resources at times. I mean, the fact green energy is even a debate is testimony to that. Many countries adopt organisations and support them who's only purpose is to heal and look after animals we are in charge of and humans have, and do, try to lessen the impact of wars we get into. We don't go all out, all the time and those that do are considered to be small in comparison to the bigger powers at play and rarely tolerated very much. But it's always ignored because some dude like....use a machine to milk a cow or something. Or because two nations come into conflict over years if not decades of aggitation and it's such a...well not white wash...black wash? of the things humans do and struggle with. It would be nice if we can just once get a movie, where instead of doing the tired shtick of avatar of "ohhh...nature...ohhh...we're super nice. we have less tech" of instead going "oh, humans had power over a large section of their world...and tried to abolish slavery?....I don't think we would do the same" or something.

[@tarekali7044]

I would say. Human like consciousness brings good and bad traits...

[@D0NU75]

i honestly hoped Koba would get better, he went through so much shit but also witnessed change and it would have been great to see him believing he could also change.

[@user-wk4ee4bf8g]

Whatever the intentions behind our actions, the rate of ecological destruction has continuously increased for a long time. Doesn't really matter how we see ourselves while it's happening if nothing changes when we switch worldviews. The impact is real regardless.

[@patricklee5239]

Exactly. This was the theme of the originals, too, I beleive.

[@DemonKingCozar]

Kingdom is my favorite one of the newer ones. I love the politics of the apes and seeing how they built their culture. Yes the movie doesn't handle the same heavy topics the other three but thats what makes it the easiest to rewatch. I love seeing the philosophy of the characters. We have Noa being true to his eagle clan but also willing to try to live side by side with humans, while we have Mae who hates apes super hard and is willing to manipulate and use everyone to accomplish her goals, but all that stuff still affects her, showing her heart. We have the Eagle Clan who doesnt really know anything about humans (and not even really care too) and they live in nature. Respecting it while we have the Kingdom and Ceasar, who reside in the remains of an old ship, and is obsessed with making the world for apes and eradicating the remnants of humanity. And we even have humanity but thats mainly inferred from Mae's dialog. To argue your point, I truely think Apes and Humans could get along, side by side. As we almost saw with the eagle clan. If Mae wasn't so reckless with her bonds with Noa and the Eagle Clan, then it could've worked out. I think Noa is a strong character. He definitely fits the timid child forced to become a leader through conflict archetype but he pulls it off really well. I love how highly he values traditions, which guide him when he's at his lowest, but also how open minded he is to information and conflicting beliefs. This makes Noa a character with a strong moral and traditional compass, but he's not so brainwashed that it becomes cynical like Dune. He's a breath of fresh air in this landscape of subversive leads. I hope we see more with him in it. This movie actually left me feeling hopeful, and that was all due to Noa and his confrontation with Mae at the end. Good stuff.

[@spaghettibolognese5838]

it’s my least favourite one. it’s not to say it’s bad or anything. but it’s so painfully average and kind of boring. it took too long to get into the story and killed off characters for no real reason. racka shouldn’t have died, although it would make sense if it reveals he didn’t actually die in later movies. noa is definitely a weaker character for me. there’s not much that’s interesting about him to me, his tie in the start was that he wants to do right by his father but then he’s killed off so quickly that now there isn’t really a clear motivation except “i need to find my clan”. which to me would be a strong motivation for his character if it wasn’t so bland when he finally reached it. his relationship with mae really started to bugged me because we see mae order him around to her own advantage, not really caring about his wellbeing and yet he does nothing to stop this. i thought after a few times she lied to him he would eventually go against her and (possibly) join proximus… eventually overthrowing him (?) just a concept… but yeah, i didn’t like mae as a character either, but i don’t think i’m supposed to like her. it feels like they want us to sympathise with her because she is a human but she’s just too unlikeable and i guess that’s the point. i didn’t not like it, but it’s definitely the weakest in the franchise for me.

[@DemonKingCozar]

@@spaghettibolognese5838 I can see that. I just think this movie hits my niche really hard

[@spaghettibolognese5838]

@@DemonKingCozar all the power to you man

[@jantheking7028]

This is easily one of the best ones. It's better than War, but not better than Dawn. And for now, I'll say Rise is better too, but I haven seen that one in a while

[@troynoble8793]

His name was Noah, and the bad guys got wiped out by a flood...Bam!

[@JadeRunner]

Humans and Apes being morally equivalent, with neither side being truly better than the other, was always the theme of Planet of the Apes from the first Heston movie. It's not actually about either one being bad and the other good, it's about the cycle of vengeance and how it just leads to more suffering for everyone. Ceaser himself saw this in the second and third movies. So it's not incongruent for Kingdom to continue this theme, really. I think Drinker might have missed the point on that point. 🤷‍♂️ Rooting for the humans when the Apes are on top is entirely natural and appropriate and, again, completely consistent with the original movies.

[@Johnsmith-fz2dm]

Humans using others for their own selfish gains and wants would firmly put us into the "worse" camp.

[@drew9738]

The drinker missed a lot of points but his reviews are pretty good still.

[@A.Mortem]

I watched his drinkers chasers thing on the movie before he released this and he barely understood anything from the previous trilogy as well. He presents this video as being overall satisfied with the direction of the Caesar trilogy but he barely even remembered it. But whatever his and his friends opinions on movies they don’t even really care about doesn’t really affect my enjoyment of the previous 3 or this new one, and i think people should actually go out and watch them to form they’re own opinions instead of relying on a skewed view of the films from peoples whose job it is to basically just be a curmudgeon because that’s the character they decided to play for their channel

[@1stAmendmentorDie1776]

​@@Johnsmith-fz2dmthe apes are doing the exact same thing. They're even committing genocide do so it.

[@slang1517]

Yeah, Drinker says he was rooting for the humans as though that was a bad thing. There were many moments in the originals where I felt that way. The idea of apes dominating humans was often presented as something horrific. It challenges our notions that humans are special, or superior and suggests that we are replaceable. The apes even have a religion that tells them they are made in god's image, and set apart from the souless animals (which includes humans).

[@askmitch]

The real apes were the friends we made along the way

[@Mr.Pop0]

Ape alone... weak. Apes together... strong.

[@chris7921]

Sounds incredibly gay

[@jonbaxter2254]

The friends we made were apes though

Planet of the friends

[@professor_lembach]

"Workung with really old material "?? I saw the originals as a boy in the theater and I'm only 55!

[@jomidiam]

I'm 56. Back in the '70s, I would''ve considered something from the '20s to be really old material. The same amount of time has passed since the '70s, so as much as I hate to say it, the originals are really old material.

[@xitaris5981]

Intellectual property doesn't age at the same rate as humans; kind of like technology - and something like the original iPhone is old AF now. Also you're old, mate. You can still be healthy, have plenty to contribute, and decades ahead of you and still be old. It just means that you're on the other side of the bell curve.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

"Only 55" ?! You are two third of the way there , don't act like you are 20 please...

[@theRealpizzabandit]

I resemble that. I also enjoyed the bits they threw in there like the 'Nova' thing. I think at least some of the writers must have at least seen the original. But surely movies and technology age like dogs do.

[@zeked4200]

The original "PoTA" came out in theaters in 1968...which is 56 years ago. Even the most recent of the originals was made in 1973...51 years ago. So...did you see the 1968 movie in theaters as a -1 year old boy, or did you see the 1973 movie as 4 year old boy? Your timeline is a bit off there Professor...memory loss tends to happen as you get older 😂

[@deathsquad8891]

Proximus Caesar is my second favourite character of the saga after the OG Caesar. This guy had depth to him, he wasn't a generic bad guy, and I loved that about him. Really hoping he's not dead. WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!

[@Kamehaiku]

"Siri, show me... a gorilla fighting an f22" 😅😅

[@valthenvega2434]

Well, a Gorilla attacked a helicopter in the first one, so… at least we got that 😂

[@cattysplat]

"Jamie, bring that up."

[@Kamehaiku]

@@cattysplat exactly in the rogan voice is how i picture it.

[@_robustus_]

They’re setting up a power struggle that is more than just apes good…humans bad. If you’ve ever studied primatology or watched Jane Goodall, you know that apes (especially chimps) don’t all get along. There is near constant in-fighting, pathos and even war between “tribes.” Also the human survivors who were able to quarantine themselves against the simian flu will eventually polarize into competing factions. There will also be humans and apes that will want some sort of life together away from the power-hungry. There is plenty of room for new ground to be covered.

[@AimForMyHead81]

One of the few genuinely intelligent comments here.

[@causticsneeze3425]

Absolutely correct

[@TheSilverGate]

100%

[@timothypollard6008]

Yeah, there's no reason to expect Chimpanzees to be better than humans, and it wouldn't be shocking for them to be much worse. I think most people see Chimps being nice to their friends and family and then completely ignore the rape, torture, cannibalism, infanticide, etc, etc.

[@saisameer8771]

If anything gorillas, orangutans and bonobos are way more peaceful. Chimps are brutal in comparison.

[@Ives1776]

This is my favorite sci-fi franchise so I was delighted. After watching it I'm still super excited for the next continuation. This film was definitely to introduce characters and develop the world, that's what Rise was too even though people don't want to admit it. I for one loved it.

[@AndyOdin22]

Two things. Firstly, Apes can't cry that's not the way their tear ducts work and making them smart doesn't change that. Secondly, why is the bunker filling with water? That isn't the way water works, water will rise then find it's level and the bunker entrance was near to sea level.

[@Daniel_C_Griffin]

One thing I did like was that it seemed like May was going to be a "Key to everything" character. Not only did this not happen, they also made her quite morally grey. She absolutely did not care if Noah died, and the ending proved she was ready to kill him herself if needs be. I like that. Plus I thought Freya did a decent enough job.

[@festo512]

Did you not notice she gives device to woman at the end. Which is the key to communication?

[@festo512]

A literal key to everything

[@festo512]

She wasn't grey. She hates the apes and only used noa

[@Daniel_C_Griffin]

@festo512 If she was a key to everything it would be like she alone is immune to the virus and a cure could be made in the bunker. She's just the last member of her team, and she completes her mission. She definitely has some disdain, but I think the fact she deliberated before detonating the sea wall and didn't just shoot Noah shows she's not just evil.

[@festo512]

@@Daniel_C_Griffin She didn't shoot noa for the same reason Blofeld doesn't just shoot bond. because there's going to be sequels. She is the key for humans taking over planet. She delivers a key for communication.

[@Ryan.......]

One potentially good thing given the general cultural and film climate is what you mentioned about the apes having been the ones you get behind because they are being oppressed, yet now they have just switched roles. Almost like that is the normal course of history. Almost like "oppression" (in quotes because what is currently called oppression is often not), is not unique to one group of people or certain groups of people, but is, instead, the normal course of, not only human nature, but nature.

[@badkharmah17]

Yeah its more of the same. But when the same is really frickin awesome, I can't complain. I love these modern Planet of the Apes movies!

[@rubeng370]

I love this franchise. I own all the 9 previous movies on Blu Ray. Worst is Beneath and my favorite is Dawn! Loved this franchise since around 2013 I believe! Can't remember when I watched Rise. But one time on tv they were playing the classic 1968 Apes movie and absolutely loved! Then was very hyped when Dawn was released and was not disappointed at all. Loved it since the theaters. Was disappointed with War's 3rd act, in which the apes don't have an epic battle against the human soldiers like in the opening scene and the misleading poster. Was very excited for Kingdom and I like the movie, but it's my least favorite of the reboot trilogy. I still encourage people to check it out, but do not expect it to be better than the previous 3. It is a very slow movie. As a franchise like this has gone on forever and stories have been told since the 70s, it does have that repetitive curse when it comes to long running franchises. I do look forward to seeing if they make a new sequel, hope it can be interesting and better than Kingdom. WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!

[@karanvirkooner1993]

War for The Planet of The Apes is the perfect ending for the franchise

[@chasehedges6775]

💯

[@chasehedges6775]

Soooo true

[@h4tch3tt74]

Hollywood has truely lost the art of knowing when to stop

[@georgevillafranca619]

This story does nothing to change the first trilogy. Which is a good thing.

[@williamwallaceoftheus8033]

Not perfect but satisfying

[@woodrowgodshyne1654]

A 'Beneath the Planet of The Apes' remake would have been cool if done right.

[@greenkidd529]

I like Beneath the planet of the apes but a movie that weird and campy can only exist in that decade tbh Unless you get David Lynch to direct it but then it ensures it wont make money for them to even produce it since hes top artsy

[@woodrowgodshyne1654]

@greenkidd529 Did you know Bob Iger was one of the biggest problems with the original run of Twin Peaks? Iger defined "studio interference". Anywhoo... No. Not Lynch. I would say Nolan because he is a badass and my favorite director. Still, nope. Maybe that guy that did make a pretty good film version of 'Dune'. Granted, what was cut out from the books will be a detriment to films down the line... It was still a really good film. Have you ever seen 'The Void'? It's a very cool Lovecraftian body horror flick. I would prefer the folks behind that film.

[@mikavirtanen7029]

I've always had a soft spot for Beneath the Planet of the Apes. First of all it has more gorgeous Linda Harrison as Nova, and the ending where Chuck Heston goes IDGAF mode and blows the entire planet up is unintentionally funny as hell. Take that you damn dirty apes!

[@johndexterzarate6663]

....Ah, yes. Monkecraft:the movie

[@woodrowgodshyne1654]

@@johndexterzarate6663 That sounds really cool when you put it that way...

[@bananawingz8624]

The Caesar trilogy is easily my favorite trilogy of all time and it’s bc I didn’t expect to care. I remember going into the first movie at that theater and was ready to laugh at this with my buddies but I came out of the theater being fully invested and emotionally connected to a monkeys story. The following sequels hit me even harder and truly made me feel for Caesar and the tragedy that was his life. But despite that, he overcomes it and immortalizes his beliefs. Being able to see a character’s story PERFECTLY paced from birth to death is so rare and it blows my mind every time I rewatch them. They didn’t get too eager, they never packed too much into one film. We got to fully experience Caesar’s life from start to finish. Going into Kingdom, I thought it was modern Hollywood coming in to ruin a great franchise but was met with a very compelling continuation of this universe. Having Caesar and his teachings turn into almost this biblical thing where his image and words are skewed and misinterpreted by different groups is such a fantastic idea. Noa as a character was easy to get behind and I loved his arc and how conflicted he was over the course of the movie. The grey area of trust is a very compelling theme and I think this was exactly the right way to continue the franchise. In very excited for the future of these movies

[@LeeBrasher]

Now I want to see the Caesar trilogy!

[@TheLongestTake]

Forgettable? Absolutely not, lol.

[@ascensionindustries9631]

"Have you ever seen a gorila try to take on a F-22 Raptor?" Is a comment that wins the best quote of the day award.

[@anubusx]

Hollywood will make it happen.

[@ascensionindustries9631]

@@anubusx But King Kong doesn't count. Maybe a new addition to the Avengers? 🐵🤖

[@D0NU75]

@@ascensionindustries9631 i'd watch king kong piloting an F-22 Raptor his size

[@colinwisner1016]

@@D0NU75 'would you intercept me? I'd intercept me' - some random F22

[@spankynater4242]

No, but King Kong took on an F-16.

[@Dave.Angel.Eco.Warrior]

Apes and girl find advanced human armour Her, "It's literally perfect." , Caesar "It will be, when it fits an ape!"

[@theoc511]

LMAO I understand that reference 🤣🤣

[@davidjr2096]

And Ceaser is gay

[@davidjr2096]

And Ceaser is an LGBT icon

[@tonythaler8472]

A strong powerful ape that needs no man.

[@crazypantz3492]

👍

[@LordMalice6d9]

I don't think there needed to be more Planet of The Apes movies after War For The Planet of The Apes. At least with these movies, you can tell that the filmmakers actually put efgort into these movies.

[@Project_Future]

I haven't seen this movie yet but I think, as far as reboots go, this one might be the best in the last 20 years. The first movie is an almost perfect idea (from a narrative/ story telling POV) of how the apes could have become intelligent in the first place while showing a sympathetic side to the apes with Caesars coming to power. It sets the next 2 movies up perfectly IMO with reasonable understanding of the protagonists mindset and ideas. The second is a great depiction of near future "apocalypse" type of scenarios again with realistic motivations and intentions from both factions and the third is a great way to show humans finally devolving and becoming more primitive as they themselves become more "ape like", as we were before. Overall, id say its a great arc contained within itself and this movie seems like a bit of a cherry on top that might satisfy the itch some have to see apes and/or humans fight. That also allows big movie studios to include a strong (and actually attractive for once) female character as what i can assume is the only real human character in the movie. Its a weird, rare win win for all.

[@aaronhoes]

I need them to keep going until we get “Planet of the Planet of the Apes”

[@schmiggidy]

I'm patiently waiting for "Apes of the Apes of the Apes". By the time that happens, monkeys really WILL be the dominant species on the planet. Either that, or they'll be flying out of my butt ....

[@papigringo5692]

"Planet of the Planet of the Apes and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull"

[@dentheman1797]

Aren’t you hyped to see “Intergalactic Empire of the Planet of the Apes”?

[@inthefade]

It will make it all the way to Galaxy of the Apes

[@grocerbear9700]

place of the valley of the land of the planet of the galaxy of the apes (?)

[@MAGAMAN]

"Can apes and humans coexist? No. No they can't" Raysis!

[@ohamatchhams]

Literally racist based off differences in racial specimens

[@angmori172]

Case in point: Baltimore

[@jomidiam]

That's speciesm, not racism.

[@smakusdod]

In the old movies, a handful of "good" Apes slowly developed a connection with the audience (via Heston) - you didn't necessarily care about the humans they were rounding up but you did care about Heston, who did slowly connect you to the plight of the humans. In these new movies, the audience is supposed to feel sorry for the Apes and care about all of them right away, and somehow root for them to win out over not only human civilization, but other tribes too. It's weird, and doesn't feel right at all. It's tonally off, and emotionally manipulative.

[@Supiragon1998]

Rise and Dawn doesn't really pick a side if you ask me, there are scenes making us empathize with them, but there are also scenes making them scary.

[@blaster5800]

Never been able to "cheer" for the apes. To be honest, it's the same thing that happened to me with Avatar and the Na'vi.

[@kendiamond7852]

I can explain this but admittedly PotA looks like it might rectify this particular problem. It is grotesquely naive to assume that a culture of non humans will become naturally altruistic just because they are non humans. This is why I reject Tolkien Elves for the most part. The Navi are especially revolting in this nature. At least the Apes looks like they're going to make the same mistakes as their former masters.

[@YourStylesGeneric321]

@@kendiamond7852 One does not simply reject Tolkien elves.

[@kendiamond7852]

@@YourStylesGeneric321 I can because I did far before it was cool. Gary Gygax basically did too and that's pretty much where my disdain was born. Ironically it looks like Rings of Power is finally going to bring them down. Although this is not the way I would've wanted it. :(

[@Generic877]

You don't bet against the home team.

[@maninblak1941]

I’m gonna be completely honest, I think you’re kinda misunderstood the theme these movies seem to cover, or at the very least I’ve had a different interpretation. It’s not so much a question of “can apes and humans coexist” as it is an exploration of the nature of sentience and how conflict is an inherent part of nature. They’ve shown in the previous movies that the apes are not in fact morally superior to humans. They were just simply in their infancy as a sentient species. In this movie they’ve since evolved socially into a more sophisticated, but also more aggressive and competitive force. Idk I find it to be interesting and am planning on seeing the movie.

[@Skeez-zi7ev]

He missed every theme. He has no media literacy skills

[@h4tch3tt74]

The original book i believe is about animal testing cruelty. A fairly woke topic but the 1969 movie is still a great work and the themes are well hidden as to not be overbearing

[@kassaken6521]

I like how there are different tribes now. Some isolated and forgot who Ceaser was, one conquering other tribes to build a Kingdom, and another making a religious order based on Ceaser. I found the world building to be good and hope they expand on it.

[@maninblak1941]

@@kassaken6521 I agree I’m looking forward to seeing the world building and how they’re setting up this world the movies are taking place in. I like the new movies so I wouldn’t mind seeing them taking the concept and exploring more of it

[@quinkana1]

I agree with this so much. With how the original planet of the apes showing how the apes fall into the same logical traps as humans I think the new trilogy is trying to comment about the nature of sapience and how we allow ideology to blind us.

[@phantoka10]

So long story short: intelligent species arises and competes against their own kin or other intelligent species for limited resources. This movie is just a new Paleolithic.

[@Dpate10]

Do you say the same thing when you watch other movies? Oh, war movie, that means war, right? And war bad, right? Simpleton.

[@julianmuller766]

I rewatched the trilogy in prep to watch Kingdom. Even though they're movies about talking apes, I was struck by how well crafted they were. Visually, narratively, the character dynamics, the motivations. All of it was so well done. I actually felt as though the ape characters had more depth and were better actors than we see from actual humans in most big-budget films nowadays. They were a fresh take on old material and they did it expertly. Kingdom lost Matt Reeves in the director's chair. I felt it didn't have quite the same spark to it. It was good, but not great which, in my opinion, is what the first 3 films were. On a separate note, did anyone else notice that Noah had a similar birthmark (and face) to Caesar? Little Easter egg there I think.

[@yoshinpixels9924]

Something I liked was the persistent theme of belief Noahs belief in his mission and that he can save his clan Raccas belief in what Caeser stood for Proximus' belief in himself and his superiority, and how the apes under him only follow out of fear as he twists what Caeser believed in It's ultimately Noah's belief rooted in community and being strong together that ultimately ends Proximus, how he upheld Caeser vision more than Proximus ever did, even at the end when he lets May go. Tho his name kinda gave away too much imo, like FR he saves all the clans at the end and saves em from a flood, it's not exactly subtle lol Anyway, I enjoyed that aspect, think it was fun to chew on throughout

[@immaleaf4964]

Planet of the Beneath of the Battle of the Escape of the Planet of the Rise of the Planet of the Dawn of the Rise of the Planet of the War of the Kingdom of the Apes is just more of the same? No. Shocked

[@donperegrine922]

❤

[@CoulierCuts]

Watch the film and make your own mind. I will never understand how people let other's dictate their opinions on things. Insanity.

[@greenkidd529]

The orginal movies did not feel remotley the same. Youre gonna say this movie felt anything like Escape the planet of the apes?

[@immaleaf4964]

@@greenkidd529 No, I'm saying that it wouldn't surprise me if The Kingdom of the Dawn of the Apes of the Planet was similar to The Escape of the Beneath of the Rise of the War of the Apes

[@immaleaf4964]

@@CoulierCuts No, _you_ don't not make up your movie on other people's opinions, man

[@loltwest9423]

Well, I can definitely say this: out of the line up of things I saw at WonderCon this year, this movie was the ONLY one I was excited to see. Not Fall Guy or Boy Kills World or anything else. It was just this one…which should say quite a lot about the despairity in quality between them. Also, the Director was the only one on the panel wearing a hat and it was to hide the bags beneath his eyes. Bro was super dedicated to the craft and loved what he was doing and it showed. Mad respect to the guy.

[@andal024]

What were you expecting? Rings, wizards and orcs? Honestly man!!!

[@Kelnx]

What I like about these movies (both the originals and the new) is that they are thought-provoking in a good way. They make you look at ourselves and wonder about the "what ifs" of another species taking our place and if they would be better or worse. And they do it without the nausea-inducing self-loathing of "The Message" currently infecting a lot of media. The movies have (so far) avoided falling into the old trope of "the noble species" (like Avatar) and give plenty of evidence that yes in fact, any species given sentience is capable of both Good and Evil.

[@dontshootmex5588]

Loved the part where they said "I hate every chimp I see, from chimpanz-a to chimpan-z"

[@Ieatpaste23]

Don't forget the Dr. Sayus song.

[@spankynater4242]

Well, you finally made a monkey out of me.

[@Evom777]

More thought went into that parody than the Caesar trilogy and this latest drek.

[@thatoneguychad420]

​@@Ieatpaste23Dr Sayus Dr Sayus

[@desertdweller9548]

1995 wants their joke back...

[@Mereologist]

The interesting quirk if you watched ALL the original 'Planet of the Apes' movies is that you think they're going for a time loop... but they don't. The sequel has a second astronaut discover a cult of mutant worshipping a nuclear rocket... which launches a couple of the speaking apes back into the distant past. They produce a child who gets mixed in with the other apes but ends up leading a revolt to overthrow human society. Back where we started, right? Wrong! In the new society that is built, both apes and humans live and work together, though humans have lower status because 'ape has not killed ape'... only the latter does happen by the end so the apes experience their own fall from their dogma. Equality is, in the end, achieved after each species has their go and proves they're no better than the other.

[@michaelwills1926]

The only problem with Heston’s portrayal of “Taylor” is that it didn’t continue. These new flicks I can’t even be bothered to care 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@thetony5474]

Basically this film was like an average day in London minus the tube and Sadiq Khan being the mayor.

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

Based

[@Grasslander]

😄😄 Except then the apes would get everything for free

[@irishspagetti6565]

I don't get it

[@robertpotton9179]

Go to London.​@@irishspagetti6565

[@bryanitza-chulopez1658]

@@irishspagetti6565it’s perfectly fine to not get it ok ya paddy. 🤣

[@user-bt9yh8jn1q]

Critical Drinker: Uploads Vid Me: *WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY*

[@silashurd3597]

Dang it! You beat me to it

[@myles.905]

😹😹😹😹

[@krislynn5965]

Ha! That's hilarious.

[@mikebandw186]

I don’t think it’s set 300 years in the future. Maybe 50-100, depending on what “many generations later” means.

[@Poseiden2]

It was always going to be tricky to update the grim, pessimistic tone of the 1970s-based Apes movies to a shinier, more sensitive age and make quite the same impact, but the visuals are impressive and it's good to see a solid remake series, at least!

[@moneyball7908]

i completely agree with the drinker on not connecting with the new apes movies (relatively new) at first. But having re watched them in rapid fire sequence (all 3 movies in the course of two days) i can honestly and full heartedly say they're one of the best trilogies of all time. Easily. When i decided to concentrate on Caesar’s journey and who he was and how he adapted and changed throughout the series i found a whole new unknown respect for these movies i always regarded as mid to boring. I think the initial problem was that i had to wait in between movies and never felt the full weight and momentum of the story. Caesar although hard to connect with him on a surface level (him being an ape and all), ended up being one of the most compelling, wise, tragic, just and intimidating characters ever. Not to mention the ambience of some really cool set pieces, this is definitely a trilogy I will be revisiting. But hey that's me.

[@viggokozak6468]

Agree

[@chriskasowski4743]

Yup, I'm with you on this 100%

[@mwsc04]

For myself, anyway, Rise surprised the crap out of me and hit home in so many ways at an emotional level. I've always loved the original films (and even the TV series), and was not expecting much from the reboot, especially after the dreadful Tim Burton mess. This last trilogy was awe-inspiring from beginning to end, and yes, I re-watched them all before seeing Kingdom, which, again, surprised the hell out of me at an emotional level for so many reasons. As long as they keep this trajectory, count me in.

[@samuellaging6791]

Completely agree with you. I tend to come back to it whenever I need inspiration for great and compelling storytelling.

[@gooble69]

"i can honestly and full heartedly say they're one of the best trilogies of all time. Easily." We'll never be friends. I thought it was junk. I couldn't even sit through the first one it was so shit.

[@Mega_vegeta]

IT was ok, nothing ground breaking but it was alright.

[@chasehedges6775]

Same. It was decent/meh

[@lewdleaf4975]

​@@chasehedges6775 I'm shocked I found people who think the same way. I've been on Instagram and the way I try to explain that it was just a fine movie I'm put at the stake

[@brettloo7588]

That is high praise for 2024 hollywood

[@Jake-dx8pt]

I loved it! Great movie - saw it on the big BIG screen. Wish there was a bit more with the ending but good none the less

[@Grassdia]

So what your saying is, I should watch it since it’s basically a diamond in the rough

[@Jakey_-iz9tw]

I don’t know if anyone else noticed this, but at the end when they’re contacting other humans, you see them looking up to space and I think this is implying that there’s humans somewhere out in space which would tie up pretty well with the old movies. I hope this twist if it’s true because I would really love to just see humans with sci-fi technology fighting apes.

[@LordOfNihil]

i consider it a mortal sin to remake a charlton heston movie.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

The original book by Pierre Boulle written in 1963 is actually the most compelling (and self-contained) story.

[@danilutka]

I have no idea how I missed that this is based on a book all these years... but thanks!

[@laurelbecker6030]

It sure made me pay attention in geometry class!!

[@badlaamaurukehu]

Inspired by Animal Farm iirc.

[@eyezj7412]

​​@@badlaamaurukehuyou sure about that 🤔. I have never heard that theory before and I've read both books

[@shteebo]

@@danilutka The book is a short enjoyable read, and different enough to inspire it's own reflecting. Recommended.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

My favorite part of the movie is when the ape said "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." It really hit me.

[@cian239]

I like when Caesar started flinging his shit around and bit the girl who’s the key to everything’s face. Peak cinema

[@Molybdan42]

Is that a reference to Koko?

[@briancolwill3071]

Was that oranges quote from Koko or from The Onions Quigley?? 😜

[@briancolwill3071]

@@Molybdan42 You know Quigley? He's the first thing I ever saw on The Onion and it never left me and sold me on the channel back when it used to be great

[@camronjosephcrooks]

​@@Molybdan42 That was my first thought.

[@CaptainPriceRaps]

I saw Rise, Dawn, War and Kingdom back to back. Kingdom is the aftermath. The movie was complex to create and they took years to make it. I was satisfied with what they showed us.

[@reezwave]

6:32 Cus the people who said that did not experience what we saw in Caesar's trilogy. Ofc they didn't know that's why they asked this question.

[@ashleystahl7711]

One of things I can appreciate about your reviews is that you try to remain objective. For some they enjoy listening to a critic regurgitate what they themselves already think about a movie or bash on one that doesn't. However in this review (as well as others) you basically tell us the ape movies aren't your cup of tea, but you still go through the critique leaving that on the side and look at it for its own merits or lack of. That is one of the things lacking in 90% of critics. They have no idea how to objectively look at a movie and say what's good and what's bad with it even if a movie they did not enjoy or want to see again just because it's something they don't like personally. This trait is what sets apart real critics and critiques from "critics" who are just spouting out their "preferences". I really appreciate that effort you put forth and knowing if the drinker recommends it's because the movie is objectively good and not just a movie the drinker personally likes.

[@Raycheetah]

It helps that The Drinker is also a writer, a crafter of tales, and knows his way around a narrative. =^[.]^=

[@aldunlop4622]

I agree, I always try to watch movies and shows with an open mind. I'll rave about the good ones and shit on the bad ones, but I always try to call out what's good about bad movies and what's wrong with good ones. I'll never understand these Disney Stars shills screaming just because Anakin's on screen for example. I think a lot of people just love certain things almost like rooting for their favourite sports team who can do no wrong. This is the biggest problem with a lot of modern people, if you say anything negative, they have a tantrum like you're insulting their family or something. Personally, I'll just say it's shit if it is, and maybe if enough other people agree with me it'll lead to a better product overall. Maybe...

[@ashleystahl7711]

@@aldunlop4622 I like the analogy of like rooting for your favorite sports team. That's so spot on.

[@eyespy3001]

I nearly broke a rib from laughing at the absurdity of your first sentence. The Drinker trying to remain objective 😂😂😂 Wait, are you serious???

[@AjaxDGonzo]

Drinker still has some bad takes. His problem with not having sympathy for the apes anymore is proof of that. The apes were obviously meant to parallel American blacks, so his problem that not all of them are good, is a pretty silly take. It’s like yeah we are all pretty equally bad/ good. He’s also had bad takes on fallout and house of the dragon. I’ve probably watched every video on this channel of his, and I agree with most of his takes, but I’ve also been let down.

[@Lulustucru2393]

I enjoyed watching it in theatre. Yes it has flaws but I appreciated being immersed into it and that's all that matters to me. I don't remember enjoying a blockbusters for some time.

[@2randomblackmen]

Here’s the thing, these movies critique humanity while also nullifying some of the most human things. Ingenuity and adaptation. For example, as primitive as Native Americans might have been viewed as, they (or more specifically the Sioux and other Plains tribes) knew that dipping arrows in cow/bison manure would eventually be lethal to a target, specifically a human target, via blood infection. Without any real contemporary knowledge of germ theory. That’s pretty remarkable, yet simple, at the same time. But that is what humans can do, figure things out. These movies shortsell humanity.

[@Gantiz]

Sounds like the theme from Animal Farm. For that, I think it's a good route to go.

[@danielandrews5357]

I think you’re missing the point of the movie. For humans it took centuries to advance to current technology. Apes have just started and for them everything is new. And this movie wanted to introduce a character who’s interested in pursuing science.

[@troyousmaximus]

Is an ape going to drive a car by part 3?

[@korawitbuttramee618]

It took the apes only 300 years after gaining sentience to enter bronze age. Please correct me if I'm wrong but IIRC it took humanity 2000 years or so advance from stone age to bronze age.

[@danielandrews5357]

@@korawitbuttramee618 Yeah that’s my point. The movie shows inner conflicts between two interpretations of Caesar’s ideology. As well as the human struggle. The human girl did incredibly well in advancing the interest of humans over apes. And the “king” styled himself in Roman style because that’s what he was taught by the old man. For a species for whom intelligence is new, this is expected behavior. And that is what the movie accounts for when giving these characters their personalities. I think the drinker really missed the mark on this one.

[@D0NU75]

you'd think the apes, having an understanding of human tools and food, could skip a few ages and be already byzantine apes or something.

[@korawitbuttramee618]

​@@D0NU75 Just because you can drive a car, doesn't mean you know how to make one. Human spent ages to build our civilization which we constantly improve over the course of history. The apes are going through the exact same progress, and while there are human tech lying around for them to learn "what", they still had to start from scratch since they had to figure "how" out themselves. Imitating human could only get them so far. Caesar spent his entire life laying the foundation of ape civilization, but the constant threat from human meant he had to prioritize surviving more than R&D. The apes might become smarter, but human had the advantage of existed infrastructure: military, education, logistic, etc. If not for the Simian flu degrading their minds, human might've been able to win. It didn't help that the flu also make human dumper so the apes can't just rounding up some poor bastards to interrogate them how to build a hospital or factory. Sure, there are human who are immune to Simian flu, but the apes would have to win a lottery to be able to get their hands on human with knowledge equal to someone with a degree in engineering or medicine.

[@MaxxadTV]

Rise dawn and war were absolutely epic. One of the best cinematic trilogies going. I was excited for kingdom but I was overall disappointed. Proximus was a complete waste, Maya was not that great of a character and the last 20 minutes was super rushed as if it should have been an hour itself. Dissapointed 😓

[@lewdleaf4975]

RIGHT, I went into this movie for Proximus! To have him say like 10 lines so be it easily the best character in the film. Yet nothing about him is actually explored, and he goes out like that? Yes I understand coming of age, tribe movie n yet it felt lacklustered

[@pascalfernandes6957]

​@@lewdleaf4975 you went into it for him when the whol Film was Promoter as Noa and Maes Story?

[@lewdleaf4975]

@pascalfernandes6957 yea because I wasn't interested in their characters from the trailers? This movie changed nothing about my opinions on them

[@lewdleaf4975]

@pascalfernandes6957 I liked Raka until they handled him fucking horribly?! Like what was that? Then I was interested to see how Noa would take Raka's ideologies going forward and guess what it fell flat

[@jamesestelle7260]

​@lewdleaf4975 if you stayed to the end you would know he survived.

[@ToniMillionaire369]

@critical drinker. Would love to see your thoughts on THE FOUNDATION. Love your your reviews - from Calgary Canada, and looking forward to your original movie projects. Happy hunting!

[@kucharukadam]

The issue is that we can’t really relate as much even if the story is very basic and could be used for any characters.

[@Greydawg]

Hundreds of years later & *cotton t-shirts still hold up* for all the humans to wear (& better than skyscrapers)? My t-shirts die after roughly 4 cycles in the dryer. 🤷🤷‍♂🤷‍♀

[@alexp601]

You answered your own question. With no tumble dryers, clothes last longer from air drying 👍

[@Greydawg]

@@alexp601 I'll stop tumble drying & still won't expect my t-shirts to last for centuries, though.

[@BigballsTerrence]

@@Greydawg I've never used a drier and have t shirts for like 6 or 7 years that are perfect. Granted ye some after 2 washes go to shit, but not all

[@alexp601]

@@Greydawg Ok plan B then. Try living in a bunker for a hundred years or so, and see how your clothes last 👍

[@knotengajin7359]

Plant based clothing only lasts in the historic record in very specific environmental situations that prevent decay and insect damage. Our current clothing lasts longer because we have more articles to change into and don’t wear them out as fast save perhaps our underwear. The only way the humans in the film would have manufactured clothing would be by finding a securely stored cache.

[@the6ig6adwolf]

So it's another Disney product featuring "the girl that's the key to everything"? I believe we've already seen this flick.

[@chriram97]

She’s not the key to everything. I will not say more because spoilers

[@the6ig6adwolf]

​@chriram97 spoil away. Tell us all what happens so Disney doesn't get any more money it doesn't deserve.

[@juliandavis9711]

No no it's not

[@WushuKnight19]

There is no dominant female narrative in this movie. Trust me!

[@redcodegaming3164]

I think they did the female lead pretty good this time, not overpowered or bratty or rude, just a girl with a dream who know she is not able to do it alone. There is a way to have a female lead and do it right. Although this movie kinda had two leads.

[@JPRupp]

The Caesar trilogy was amazing. It was an improvement over the originals in every sense.

[@whosurchiefy7733]

Just saw this, felt fresh, effects topped all previous and the way that you were made to feel like the apes have become more human like but at the same time have that primalness to them. The tiny details of the face to mannerisms the all have is really cool to show their evolution. I felt like the human portion of it had right amount of time and yeah there is the issue of power being in use but it wasn’t really your average spots with power. Government buildings and satellites aren’t your average mobile home and generator, so it makes somewhat more sense that out of any place in the movie, they would have power. And it’s hard not to like a movie like this when the team actually gives a fuck and makes the visuals hyper realistic, can’t say any movies since 2010s have done that for me.

[@Agooo13431]

To me, one of the biggest intrigues with the trilogy were the subtle biblical references, with Caesar being the Moses character. You can see it clearly in the last movie with the "red sea crossing and phaoro army drowning" type scene near the finale Let's see if they continue with this thread. The choice of "Noah" for a protagonist name is interesting.

[@CoffeeFiend1]

The Younger Dryas Part-2: No Dry ass.

[@pending4363]

I think they should give Noa a King David type storyline.

[@causticsneeze3425]

There was a lot of water involved in this movie along with the idea of animals in cages

[@MrSnaztastic]

Ha, I hadn't even thought of that. There's a great flood in there, they end up on top of a mountain... was too distracted by the very literal Prometheus allegory with Proximus.

[@rc1982]

"They were here before you. And they were better than you!"

[@noodle88]

Hey Drinker, fucking love your work btw. Do you plan to do a proper review of Shogun, now that it's all wrapped up?

[@mattwells5022]

The end when she used the radio and said is anyone out there and the guy instantly replied was hilarious 😂

[@linda10989]

Who knew complicated electronic radar thingies can still operate after being abandoned and exposed for 300 years!

[@chasehedges6775]

Yeah, that made want to chuckle, it was kinda funny 😄

[@MrSnaztastic]

Fort Wayne, Indiana... i thought it was a nice little moment to reference where Taylor came from, though not strictly neccessary.

[@xcarnage3936]

It was solid. Good intro to the new protagonist. I want Rocca to come back. A tide like that may not be enough to unalive someone.

[@person4579]

At the end of the credits there is not a post-credits scene but there is the sound of an orangutan. I think Raka may have survived, especially because Raka dying would mean caesars story would also be over

[@bluecollarloser6654]

he was arguably the best part of the movie, I struggled between him and Proximus

[@clausbitten]

How practical. With the falling costs of CGI and AI to speed up scenery creation etc. we now can expect all the usual story tropes, but now with computer generated apes: - Snow-Ape and the seven humans - The Bane of Humans - the story of an ape who has to destroy some old, powerful human artifact, say a ring, with a band of different clan apes to prevent the evil Gorilla-Overlord to rule them all - The three Bananateers, protecting the King and Queen. - The adventures of the great ape sleuth Sherlock Hu-Hu-Holmes. -- An Ape in Space story where he chrashs a planet full of intelligent humans - the idea! - that keep apes as slaves, and who rescues them and starts a revolution, with a cunning plot twist at the end!

[@cloak1408]

I have one big question….where the hell did they take the humans that they were capturing and rounding up during the scene with the zebras and shit?

[@Earl_Bassett_]

Should’ve been a trilogy and end the story on a strong note

[@sly4462]

Naa i like it i want more

[@lawrencetalbot8346]

Well now you’ll get a new trilogy because this is the way of modern Hollywood. Milk a franchise until runs dry and begins to bleed, then keep on milking it until all that’s left is dried out husk.

[@scottbuckley823]

I think the only way for it to work is to use Caesars legend better as Moses or Jesus figure

[@FireJach]

So dont watch. I want more and learn how Earth could look like after 1000 years

[@waflestix346]

They are starting a new trilogy and have said they wanted to make 6 more movies (2 more trilogies) after Caesars so yall need to enjoy the ride

[@mrwidestrides4802]

I’m looking forward to the Kong vs the planet of the apes crossover. Maybe with barbie doing a cameo.

[@claytongehrke2176]

Only if its donkey kong !

[@silvercat18]

Apenheimer?

[@KIDiiXD]

i felt raw energy when that chip said “BUT THE LAW IS WRONG” he went hard with that one

[@jonathonconnell4247]

Tbh, I was rooting for the humans in the last 2 films already.

[@TwentyPercentDash]

1:43 This is a weird thing to say. The movie tells a complete narrative. It doesn't feel like it's setting up anything; there's a new villain and the villain gets defeated. And since it's a Planet of the Apes movie, it's also filled with social commentary that criticizes humanity, with deeper themes under the surface. It's a good movie, and I recommend it, especially when there's so much garbage coming out these days.

[@TEDodd]

Getting that 3rd module to the humans in the bunker doesn't set up something to you?

[@TwentyPercentDash]

@@TEDodd Most humans have lost their ability to speak, so regaining the ability to communicate through satellites is the conclusion of that arc; it shows humanity still striving to communicate. She had a mission, and she completed it. It feels conclusive. It's not a shock to know there are smart humans still around; we already knew this back in 1970 with Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

[@TEDodd]

@@TwentyPercentDash But the scattered groups being able to communicate sets up the the next movie. One involving them doing something. Try to take control? Just start a new civilization along side the Apes? Lots of possibilities. I just hope they don't screw it up.

[@Goro_Maj1ma]

It absolutely feels like it sets things up and does not feel conclusive at all. Your comment is such a weird thing to read. And no humanity getting the satellites online did not feel like a conclusion to that specific arc.

[@TwentyPercentDash]

@@Goro_Maj1ma Mae wanted to help the humans establish communication and she did it. Noa wanted his clan back and got it. Noa wanted to become a bird master, and mastered it. Mae and Noa both wanted to flood the base and stop Proximus, and they did it. All arcs are complete. I don't know how you can watch this film and think nothing felt conclusive at all.

[@bluecollarloser6654]

Putting out my review today. Movie is perfect in Imax. From a visual standpoint Problem is Andy Serkis set the bar so high. No one in this film gave a "bad" performance, but the plot was thin and the themes rehashed I fear a part 5 is just going to be more of the same. This isn't a terrible film, but it's NOT as good as the Ceaser trilogy. It's a Matinee movie just for the visuals, but i won't be watching it again anytime soon. Unlike the first 3. Drinker always makes amazing reviews and I'm glad i saw the same plot points and weaknesses he did

[@thomgizziz]

Is that what this is? Everybody has to praise Andy Serkis because if you don't then you will be accused of not knowing what you are talking about? This heaping of praise on a trilogy that nobody really cared about is strange.

[@bluecollarloser6654]

@@thomgizziz I honestly don't think anyone is accusing anyone else of not knowing what they're talking about. But this is the fourth film in a franchise and Serkis playing Ceaser was the highlight of the first trilogy. In terms of "nobody really cared about" Well Rise did almost $500 million, Dawn did $700 million, War did $500 million. I mean I would debate that a $2 billion dollar trilogy may categorize it into something people cared about

[@GigaNiga7]

Rightly said man , i dont know why Mae's character irritated me so did noa's decisions to not be harsh on her. Movie starts with elders saying how humans bring trouble , and so Mae's involvement gets his village destroyed , he loses his father , then trying to save Mae gets raka killed and in the end Mae again leaves his whole clan to die and still Noa shows no raction or calls her out and all we get to see is tears in Mae's eyes as if trying to make her action reasonable . Noa's reaction on Mae's behaviour was so not upto mark ,only thing he was disappointed in was her not telling him secrets .

[@viggokozak6468]

​@@thomgizzizi always cared about it, and don't worry, no one is attacking you

[@darkshat3077]

@@thomgizzizbeing a copy and pasting tard is a crazy thing to do lmao

[@sansthedrummer]

Kingdom had big shoes to fill. We had 3 movies to flesh out characters like Caeser, Maurice, Rocket and even villains like Koba. Hell, War had the apes as the full on leading role. The problem is that Kingdom tried to start at that point without the buildup or any returning characters. It was still a great entry, but a small step down from the last trilogy.

[@LittleSoj]

The part of this film I really enjoyed were the parts where they were exploring the remains of the old world. They seemed to capture the awe one would feel at seeing something spectacular without fully understanding it

[@Nate-jx8nt]

The movie fell hard into the "the villain makes too much sense so let's make him violent so that the audience doesn't side with him" trope.

[@captraddish891]

i was a huge fan of this one. ill try to be brief in case the alcoholic maestro has occasion to glance at us peasants. Basically ive always seen the new apes movies as historical dramas from the perspective of the apes (i have a history degree so this may be a niche appreciation). The Caesar trilogy was all about dealing with the clear and present danger of humanity pushed to desperate limits. it was compelling, concise, and didnt devolve into mindless action. this new trilogy seems to be about the mythological threat of humanity and the sociological evolution of Ape society. as such, it needs to be different in the exact ways it is different and the only reservations i have are centered around the humans overstepping their place. Kingdom is also a really refreshing reconstruction of the heroes journey which is very encouraging. i could talk for awhile on this so i guess ill have to make a video essay on "sociological evolution and the planet of the apes" or something equally pretentious sounding.

[@XDarkF3arX]

Hell, make that vid. It sounds interesting.

[@captraddish891]

@@XDarkF3arX it will prolly be up on my seldom used ramble channel raskolnikov rambles in case folks need a direction.