Literal Bible Believers Don't Like Being Questioned

--Classic Interview: Carl Gallups: Author of The Magic Man in the Sky: Effectively Defending The Christian Faith Publisher & The Rabbi Who Found Messiah: The Story of Yitzhak Kaduri and His Prophecies of the Endtime, tries to explain why he believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible
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[@TormodSteinsholt]

His first words in the interview: "What I believe is informed by the book that I've written". Nuff' said.

[@spudlington]

@@thingamabob3902 Well one requires a basically circular form, and the other is a circular argument, so I think you may be on to something there!

[@eclecticism3086]

Once I heard that I really got thrown for a loop

[@lindasimons691]

@@thingamabob3902 😂

[@carlphillips3876]

I will begin with Spider-Man issue 152 to prove that Spider-Man is real. In that issue there was a city called New York. In reality New York is real. Undeniable proof!

[@DonKDD]

And within the pages of that sacred text known as "The Amazing Spider-Man" Vol. 1 No. 352 thou shalt witness that therefore Peter didst say "My spider-sense is tingling" and it was so... for danger nearby was there. And thence it came to pass that Lo! danger was truly about, thus proving that the abilities of the one named Parker... having been endowed with the power of the spider... was indeed "Amazing".

[@carlphillips3876]

Don Jr praise be!

[@notimportant3914]

Spider-man, therefore doing whatever a spider can. 😂😂😂😂thanks for the laugh..... hilarious.

[@carlosroderick501]

Carl Phillips good one.😂😂

[@carlosroderick501]

Religious loon.

[@JohnGrove310]

You can't argue someone out of a position they didn't rationally get into

[@jerryking296]

Confucious says. Very wise man.

[@lilith_speaks_out]

Well, that's not really true. I was argued out fundamentalism. There are certainly some people who will refuse to be argued out of their irrational beliefs, but if no one could be argued out of those beliefs than these conversations would be basically useless.

[@bobthebear1246]

You hit the nail on the head. Sure, it's not impossible, to which the others here attest, but it's generally a waste of time and energy.

[@cogitoxyz9645]

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into." -Jonathan Swift, satirist (1667-1745) “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” -Galileo Galilei, physicist and astronomer (1564-1642) "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." -Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)

[@pauletteokafor1322]

It feels so strange now being non-religious and hearing this, it makes absolutely no sense to me. Took me 3 years to shake off the indoctrination.

[@chbu7081]

Hearing 'Deuteronomy' always makes me think of 'Dude they're on to me'.

[@hu3rcgtx]

Whatever you deuteronomy I'll deuter you.

[@alexchavez3244]

Deuteronomy was about the Black Hebrews in slavery so why would you laugh whites did that so whites will have to go into bondage and your seeing that dumbass.

[@strangelitgirl]

ch bu I always think of the cat in the Broadway musical Cats 😂

[@chbu7081]

@@alexchavez3244 So, the Bible is racist. Hooda thunkit?

[@alexchavez3244]

ch bu No it’s just if we where to speak physically and take the Bible litteraly then yes the slaves would be black because the first humans are black that’s why we can all mix not like lions and tigers that die stupid the Bible symbolic of how life worlds and nature of life of good and evil masculinity and femininity in nature.

[@guyfawkes9951]

"What is the answer outside of The Bible?" "Bible, Bible, Bible." "But you said you'd give evidence outside The Bible? What is that evidence." " And I will, just give me a chance. Bible...BIBLE, BIBLE, BIBLEBIBLEBIBLE...the book I'm shilling...BIBLE BIIIIIBLE." "That's not an answer." "The question is illogical." The literal interpretation of the Babble precludes ANY answer outside The Babble itself. And Carl Gallups is one of the LAST people to judge anything on its logic.

[@humboldthammer]

Guy -- it's not an answer but a date. 09/23/26 is the autumn equinox of the Illuminati's 250th year. It is also just a few days more than 1,260 days Before 03/22/2030, the Beginning of the 3rd, 1000-year day of heaven since Jesus taught us the Brotherhood of ALL Men (Okay, that's Biblical, but no one else recognizes 2 Peter 3: 8. ) See Pike's WW3 dogma (not Biblical, but may reveal some of the answers you seek). The Christian Prophecy says Many Are Fooled. That's Biblical, but Many Christians call Trump God's Chosen. Never is a chosen one revealed in the Last Days. They are already fooled. Hint: I have Spirit Capacity to see just a few years ahead. I do NOT Prophecy. You cannot take my word for any of this. You must exercise faith and ask God yourself. Expect an answer.

[@Amberscion]

@Guy Fawkes Yeah. When the question is illogical you don't spend 10 minutes trying to answer it. You state that the question is illogical up front. When you only make that claim after the fact it becomes quite clear that you are desperate for a way to try to make the interviewer into the bad guy in any way possible.

[@allanclark3283]

Guy Fawkes. "Secular Evidence" I believe is the correct term.

[@michaelranard2047]

Joy Clark that's right, because in religious circles people would look at Israel and think because of it's power and prosperity that this is actual evidence of God keeping his word to them.

[@perryberman2824]

Michael Ranard God also surrounded Israel with people trying to destroy and kill them. Weak God. Btw, didn't help much on 911 either.

[@thebuccaneersden]

you cant argue with someone who employs circular logic and believes in it without question

[@kenh6571]

+thebuccaneersden I don't think David was trying to argue, he was trying to get a straight answer which wasn't coming.

[@kenh6571]

Rastislav Palugyay yup.

[@putnamfinch1093]

+jag10 ...brags the ignorant coward with a troll account. Sure you do.

[@putnamfinch1093]

***** Nice try. Sad fail.

[@putnamfinch1093]

***** I'm not trolling and I'm certainly not your bro, I just found your comment made you sound like a schmuck so I said so. So is that it then? We done here, troll?

[@moonled]

It doesn't make sense. Why would God restore Israel and make it a mighty nation if the Jewish people are going to Hell for not accepting Jesus?

[@yudhveer99]

one more....why was jesus himself jewish?

[@leealexander209]

moonled Why do we call him Jesus when there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet? That one has always puzzled me. I've had people try to tell me "Well, it's pronounced like an H." How does it make sense for a nonexistent letter to be pronounced at all?

[@SteveGellerMusic]

The actual answer has something to do with the way the Bible was translated in the 5th and 6th century, as it went around the world. The J in is actually the imperfect way of the Greeks or Romans dealing with a Y sound (obviously I don't remember too much about this, but I did once have it explained to me).

[@lhuff482]

The Christians now believe the Jew's are God's chosen people so they get a pass. I say now believe because before WW 2 they thought the Jews were going to Hell.Heck there were a lot of Baptist who thought that Catholics were going to hell.

[@derlinclaire1778]

God is not like that.As wonderful as Jesus is as the divine Son of God,He,s not going to send any Jewish people to Hell,just because they don,t believe in Jesus.Any more than He,s sending Moslems,or Buddhists/ Hindus to Hell for the same reason.

[@TMPreRaff]

Of course the question is illogical to this guy... it involves truth, which he's unfamiliar with.

[@stephj9378]

He speaks much truth but people with no respect for ancient teachings cant understand a thing.As we can see.

[@garychap8384]

You cannot argue with a guy whos _"beliefs are informed by a book he wrote"_ ... that's not just circular reasoning, it's a terrifying whirling vortex of crazy from which there is no escape.

[@jefpuckett5708]

Well...he is an American caucazoid.nuf said.

[@garychap8384]

@@stephj9378 Tell you what ancient teachings I don't have respect for... ... ones that tell people to kill children, take slaves and commit genocide. Ones that say disobedient or gluttonous children should be killed... ones that permit men to beat women. ... ones that glorify those who give their own daughters to be raped. Ones that teach that if a voice in your head tells you to murder your son, it's a blessing from god and you should just go with it. So no! Ancient teachings don't get automatic respect just because they're old. And before you wheel out the old _"Ah, but in the NT Jesus dies to change all that"_ ... no he fucking doesn't you deluded pricks! - _"I do not come to change the (mosaic) law, but to fulfill it"_ - _"For verily I say unto you, Till. heaven and earth pass, one jot or one. tittle shall in no wise pass from. the law, till all be fulfilled."_ So, remember to stone people to death, it's Gods law... from the time of moses till LONG after the tribulation... till heaven itself ceases to be No changes! Not even a dot! - _"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send [or bring] peace, but the sword."_ - _"But of the teachings that I give to you, teach them not to others lest they might be saved"_ So, dig out your O.T. and start living by it. Start with the blood sacrifices and the murder and the disfigurement... conquer your enemies and make wives of their daughters and slaves of their women ... or, y'know, kill every man, woman, child, pet and even the livestock - Cus God loves a good ritual cleansing! Hell, he demands it! Wise teachings, my hairy arse! Want a pearl of biblical wisdom? How about when Jesus saw people washing their hands after preparing meat and before eating... and said: That is a custom of man and should NOT BE FOLLOWED. For nothing that goes into your mouth can harm you, only what comes out of it. Really Jesus, you all-knowing son of a bitch? Why not say _"Actually, that's not a bad idea - you should probably alll do that! ... cus, y'know, antibiotics haven't been invented yet and germs are a thing."_ Oh wait, that's right - he didn't know about germs. He was, after all, just a man of unenlightened times. So much for wisdom. So no, you DON'T have an automatic right to have respect for your ancient teachings... Not when those teachings were spread by the sword across half of the world. Not when even today they are used to harm and subjugate others. Not when those teachings have had the christian church killing alchemists (Today: Chemists), people who are in commune with devils (today: Schizophrenics) people who have the devils foresight (Today: People who thought ahead) ... and, of course, witches (Today: Anyone who disagrees with the status quo, upsets the church or is just unlucky enough to be the one the village blames for a run of bad luck... or had a birthmark... or a scar... or a deformity... or was seen talking to an animal... or had cataracts... etc) The history of christianity is a fucking bloodbath. It didn't improve until the church LOST power. And thank goodness it did because it brought nothing but death and darkness whilst it had political sway across europe. Hell, Satan himself couldn't have done better. Sorry. I got a bit dark for a moment : / I know, lets all sing Psalm 137 to cheer ourselves up... _"Blessed shall he be who takes your infants and dashes them against the rocks!"_ Inspiring!

[@stephj9378]

@@garychap8384 ideally, the 'book' or documentary proof is only the beginning.We have to marry that with ACTUAL PROOF from our lives. That makes it rational truth.

[@harrybarber3255]

This man is informed by the book he wrote, hahahahahahaha

[@danstrayer111]

yeah, at 1"20

[@nagaslrac]

His first statement. So we can dismiss whatever he says, henceforth. Hilarious.

[@telboy1966manu]

Yep I heard that. Makes as much sense as any of the rest of the drivel that spewed from his face hole.

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

That made me laugh too

[@NewRedYolk]

As long as he has it on good authority... 🤣🤣

[@klstrat996]

So the Bible is proof that the Bible is true. OK, I get it.

[@klunny998]

TACITUS yeah the greatest roman historian ever but you probably haven't heard of him...check him out

[@phoebus45]

Best summary so far of what’s its about. The proof that religious nuts are nuts is that they’re nuts.

[@SandhillCrane42]

If you follow The Lord, it'll take forty years to walk out of the desert and murder everybody. What a frikken paradigm.

[@ronhansen8471]

no you don't get it.

[@paulwalsh8459]

It just totally bemuses me ... A bronze age series of conflicting manuscripts that rationalize slavery, misogyny , child beating , gay hating , race hating , racial superiority etc that no one knows the authors too. He talks about the old testament heralding the arrival of a messiah which it does but this bible expert (ahem) doesn't even realize Jesus doesn't fulfill four of the seven signs that he's this man... The four gospels written between fifty and a hundred years after the death of Jesus again conflict, contradict and try to one up each other. Please tell me when this book becomes a reliable coherent and morally superior document.

[@billsf94131]

Christianity- the belief that God sacrificed God to God to save God's creation from God.

[@mka1200]

billsf94131 - Jesus, the spotless and sinless lamb of God, sacrificed and punished instead of me, made it possible for us to come back home to the father. Halleluja!

[@markford3520]

M Ka That’s what you’re indoctrinated to think. Not from your own mind. You fear death and need to hold on to this propaganda falsehood. The truth has nothing to fear from investigation but I already know you are too fearful to research it objectively and you’ll probably retort with more indoctrinated recitation. Don’t be a sheep. Free yourself.

[@Oblivionm24]

God, I wish I could upvote this more.

[@leonardbell3671]

Explain that to the KKK.

[@c000inside7]

M Ka there are so many people that are being sacrificed even by Christians, so I don’t understand this BS...He is not the only sacrificed.

[@robertr798]

Carl: *talks in circles for five minutes straight* David: Carl, can we get to the answer? Carl: Well, if you'd LET me answer....

[@doktarr]

At around the 10:15 mark, I'm pretty sure Carl deliberately filibusters and circles back on things he had already said, presumably in the hope that he can goad Pakman into interrupting him again so he can point to that as evidence that he's being "stifled".

[@chuckfinley1877]

I love how David correctly saw where the conversation was going, and tried to correct it... But the pastor guy just doesnt get it... he thinks be is being logical and using evidence outside of his book... he doesnt even get it... it's weird...

[@joslynstuff]

"It is easier to fool a man than to convince him that he has been" ...Mark Twain

[@j.c.ulater]

That perfectly explains trump supporters...lol Easier 2believe everything reported on trump is fake news rather than except they support a con-man

[@thevidwatcher1000]

Holy fuck that's a good quote

[@justacinnamonbun8658]

ryan shirvan Ikr, we need Samuel Clemens as president. Sounds a lot wiser.

[@collectorofcats294]

J.C. U later I agree with you 100%!!!

[@EddyBombay]

He's informed by a book that he wrote?

[@rsr789]

Yeah! Take that logic and reason!

[@MrDiscopunk]

That's the way to do it!

[@chbu7081]

The literary equivalent of 'because I said so'.

[@daveyjones9930]

Let's face it. Anyone who writes a book is going to *cherry-pick* items from their research that support their beginning premise---whether it's a false premise or not. That's the nature of book writing. Some authors are more interested in seeking truth than pushing a presupposed agenda. The reader's job is to suss out the authors intent and go from there. Gallup is one who is clearly NOT looking for "truth"...and is only interested in pushing his malformed premise through his book. Truth seekers can see the con job for what it is, nearly instantly!

[@1672matt]

Hysterical. Particularly considering that the bible is not a sacred text. It was cobbled together by mere men - stories added and deleted at will

[@leanie9660]

Stephen Tumlin ...100% agree with you ! I have never been religious, but finally decided to read the bible (to fully understand why the nonsense has such a hold on people).....the biggest evil I saw was god.....smoting and smiting everywhere...sowing dissention and envy.....acting like a spoiled baby.....condemning at will (for very little reason)..... As you said: a big bully. I was disgusted with humanity after reading as much as I could before I tossed that BS fiction across the room. What is wrong with people that they believe that crap ?!?

[@collectorofcats294]

Aileen McMillan I went to christian schools when I was growing up and we had to memorize bible verses and hymns. I HATED it!!! After high school I joined the US Army, then went to university and received my BSN... I’m not a christian anymore...

[@stevengonzalez5627]

Our history books and lots of other books are written by mere men also, are we going to discard those aswell?🧐...

[@ObjectiveZoomer]

You dont understand what sacred text means

[@lifeiswonderful22]

"You didnt let me finish answering the question..." after talking for 13 minites straight.

[@kozhedub]

It's hilarious when these people trot out "pastor for X number of years" as a qualification

[@batman32323232]

matchbook degree, i agree

[@seth131]

Being an expert conman and finesser for that long is pretty impressive lol

[@peppermintgal4302]

+Blake Rulz "BECAUSE IT IS VERY VERY CLEAR THAT "Non-Believers" , People who mock the Faith etc etc.. Are just as much INVOLVED WITHIN THE BIBLE, As much as a believer is involved with The Lord.. YET RAGING THAT NO, THEY ARE NOT!!!" I don't think you really thought this one through. Sure, the book talks about us. Just like a psychopath might smear the reputation of those who have done him bad in the past. Just like scientologists talk endlessly about therapists being the spawn of satan. Just like the Quran talks about Christians. And its odd that you insist we shouldn't say anything critical of you and your fellow believers, yet you're defending a book that says very critical things of non believers. If I may continue your analogy, think about it this way: Would you trust: a) A person who specializes in changing tired to change your tires or b) Someone who claims tires speak to him at night to change your tires? Diligence is only a virtue circumstantially. A scam artist often must be diligent if he is to succeed in roping people into his plans, yes? To call diligence a virtue is vastly oversimplifying things. Anyhow, I think people here are more interested in the word of *historian,* particularly those specialized in ancient Israelite or middle eastern culture, because these are people who are unbiased and specialize in analyzing historical evidence, whereas pastors are specialized in selling the Bible. Its like the different between talking to Alex Jones, an "expert in nutritional advice," or an actual expert in nutritional advise. And sometimes we need to look out for specific faults in others. And I don't mean in the sense of actively trying to attribute people with those faults regardless of if they are there or not, I mean just to make sure you're not trusting someone when you shouldn't. And not all these faults are even moral faults, but possibly faults of judgment, faults of critical thinking, etc., which warrant doubt as far as trusting those people's pronouncements. Fearing a deity is not the beginning of wisdom, anymore than loving a burrito is the beginning of intelligence, or being mildly disappointed with a movie is the beginning of charisma. The equation of "Fear of Lord = Wisdom" is simply to convince you not to question the cult, out of either fear or awe. Its no different a pronouncement than a cult leader saying that the fear of whatever god or spirits he speaks for, channels, represents, etc., is necessary to live a long, happy life, to understand the plan of the divine for you, etc.. Its just another in a long succession of very similar, very spurious, very *manipulative* claims. I think you're trying awfully hard to put people down for someone insisting we should love others, to categorize nonbelievers into a particular camp. It seems disingenuous?

[@Gamerooster51]

He left "mentally ill for 53 years" out of that statement as well.

[@footsuk5593]

LOL!

[@AbnormalWrench]

"You'll be surprised, if you let me answer the question" *Jeopardy music starts playing* And.....fail.

[@mattkolb2579]

Excellent!

[@billthecat666]

+Abnormal Wrench Saying it's on the news is not very convincing.

[@rayrothermel4861]

+Abnormal Wrench Still waiting for the "surprise"!

[@madmartigan4077]

+Ray Rothermel On the edge of my seat.

[@kmasse81]

Because we never heard that Israel being a restored nation is a "true prophecy" of the bible before. *facepalm* He clearly missed the point of the entire zionist movement. Namely, that it was to fulfill the stupid prophecy. Which makes it not a prophecy at all!

[@MrNetMan11]

Having previously been very religious, I laugh now at how Christians will quote something from the Bible, but build it up with (“now listen to this, this is important”, “see how he answers them”) so that you think the quote is going to be amazing, and then when you hear it, it is some abstract statement, like “then you will know I am God”. The abstract statement is then used to fit whatever crazy theory they’re trying to explain, whereas the statement on its own doesn’t really mean anything. It’s also interesting to note the way this guy argues. Every question gets a long-winded round-about, circular story/answer. It’s like he’s trying to entrance his readers/listeners. When you interrupt his answer he gets ticked because it interrupts his spell-casting style and he has to start all over again.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Exactly. The bible is so vague that it can be interpreted to fit anything.

[@prettybabyface7313]

MrNetMan11 You made me laugh out sooo loud..thank you..and you couldn’t have stated it any better than this!so damn true ✌🏼👍🏽

[@jussayinnit]

Have you also noticed this with scientists who debate and argue about the origins of the universe? They do the same thing. Their story has more jargon to confuse people, but essentially it is no different. Do you believe the "scientific" explanation of the origins of the universe and mankind?

[@Hoplasa]

ahh a dishonost religious person? now i've seen it all.

[@TheTheotherfoot]

And often.

[@namelessrose3859]

Hoplasa you should speak to a Muslim!!!

[@ronhansen8471]

the worlds religions have been dishonest since ancient Babylon and Christendom has taken up the teachings of ancient Babylon in the name of Christ Jesus.

[@ThePowergoats]

Carl did not answer David's question, he danced around it like an 80's Prince video.

[@KCKatheist]

+ThePowergoats A desperate Gish-gallop is all that a loser such as little Carl has.

[@hjorturerlend]

And then there is this little annoying detail - what the ploughing hell is there to prevent the writers of the NT from making shit up to fit those damned prophesies, which they had access to? For fucks sake, they made up an entire town (Nazareth) just so they could fulfill a misread prophesy! o_O PS: Won´t even go into the story of Jesus´ birth...

[@KCKatheist]

hjorturerlend Well noted, my friend. The buybull is, indeed, replete with conjecture, contradiction, out-right fabrication, and fantastic, natural-law-defying claims of events that contemporary Romans (known to have been a bit obsessive about *documenting* things) never mentioned. It's outrageous that anyone accepts ANY of it as "true" in the 21st century.

[@hjorturerlend]

The reason it´s accepted is simple - the text is so damn lofty and purposefully "mystical", most people don´t bother reading it (900 a4 pages of Procopius was a joy to read in comparison), and I mean *read* it, not recite it. Also background historical knowledge* is needed, atleast an active gymnasium/high school course with lots of extracurricular reading. Due to the assembled nature of the texts, it´s also very hard to follow what little there is of a plot (4 gospels trying, and failing, to tell the same story? And fucking *letters*!). Add to that that most of their contact with the book(s) is through their preacher, and we both know preacherspeak... Assertions of the crudely assembled jibberish being holy itself, jargon like calling it "Scripture" aaaand preaching is usually throwing three cherry picked passages out into the room, no questions allowed o_O PS: History nerd here, applying for Lund University History program this year :)

[@KCKatheist]

hjorturerlend But of course! 66 myths written by (at least) 40 generally anonymous authors in 3 different languages on 3 different continents over approximately 1600yrs is *certainly* infallible. When expounded upon by such *brilliant* and studied voices as those representing the more fervent, orthodox segment of the Abrahamic faiths, listeners are simply pummelled into faithful submission by "the word". Oooo! *History!* I wish you the very, very best in your application! I am more than a tad jealous!

[@WaskiSquirrel]

He's preaching, not conversing.

[@Starboardsideprospecting]

He knows there is no secular outside evidence. He never explained the word "soon". The New Testament itself and all Preachers say Jesus is coming soon, but here we are 2000 years later. The host is very patient, I would have told the guy to either get to the point or shut up.

[@Starboardsideprospecting]

Name the secular evidence. All the preacher did was use Bible verses. The host wanted outside evidence. He never gave any.

[@Crackalackattacka]

You could even paraphrase that and say; "he's lying, he's not telling the true".

[@Crackalackattacka]

Wuh? STFU Clifford...the entire bible is one big lie dummy, thats my perspective so...wake up or stay dumb.

[@danstrayer111]

To converse requires a give and take of information and an openness to new facts. That's why he preaches.

[@micahvalentine4878]

David: You think you could give me some evidence that doesn't come from the Bible, but supports the Bibles claim as the word of God? Carl: Sure, but first I must answer a question you did not ask and ignore your original question. My ideology requires this of me, you see. No hard feelings. Dave: None taken. You wanna give me that evidence though? I'm jonesin'. Carl: (30 minute diatribe of circular reasoning) In conclusion, if you would have let me finish like Kanye did, I would answer your question. Dave:Cool. Wanna go ahead and do that now or- Carl: Your question is illogical. In other news I am suddenly Dr. Spock and declare things illogical. Dave, your face is illogical. David: ....Aaaand we're outta time folks- Carl: No Dave, I've been around this horse and pony before. And you my friend are illogical.

[@jayzenitram9621]

+MICAH V Nailed it. I should've read your comment first and put ten minutes of my life to better use.

[@hairbear31d]

+MICAH V Great comment, except it would be Mr. Spock, Dr. Spock was a pediatrician.

[@knightsonofjack]

+MICAH V I think he was just having trouble understanding that the answer to the question is "no". Obviously his blind faith won't be supported by evidence, that's not the point of faith.

[@hairbear31d]

+Miles Jackson He totally understood the question and he knows he has no evidence that's why he just kept spinning scripture, it's what every con artist does when they get caught in a lie, David cut him off because he knew the answer was no, and in the end Carl predicatively started crying conspiracy against religion and how David was pushing his agenda, and yes we know Faith is the excuse believers give when they know they are full of shit.

[@billthecat666]

+MICAH V Mr. Spock. Dr Spock was a child Psychologist.

[@perkodanny]

"So, how do you know the bible is true?" "Because it says so in the Bible. Duh."

[@ronhansen8471]

For a person to believe the bible is true requires a genuine interest to know the truth with an open mind, a disciplined study of the bible along with side points such as languages [ ancient and modern ], ancient culture and customs, psychology and the sciences, a thorough understanding of bible illustrations and symbology.

[@perryegolson833]

@@ronhansen8471 Dude, religion is faith-based. I could write my own bible and claim it is the word of god. I respect people's right to believe what they want to believe when it comes to religion. The Bible is not meant to be interpreted as scientific fact, and I think you are aware of that.

[@ronhansen8471]

​Yes religion is faith based and people tried writing their own bible such as the book of Mormon. And you are correct the bible is not a book of scientific facts but where it touches on issues relating to science it is spot on. The bible makes it clear that all humans are free moral agents and can choose what ever course they want to take. The catch is that people who do not want be a part of God's new world will not be forced to participate.

[@gormanspacemarine]

Bwhahahaha and this is how Trump becomes President

[@rsl6767]

Zero evidence (because there's none)... instead, a long boring sermon if some bullshit mythology. Can you say circular?

[@nathanielhackett2320]

XD XD XD XD Zero evidence? ok pal. Israel was totally destroyed and then formed a nation as predicted in Bible. Name one other nation that has done that. Noah's Ark was found in Turkey, and all of a sudden the Turkish government sealed off every and any way to go see it, it's now guarded. There are also hundreds of ancient books about Noah and a worldwide flood, a lot from China surprisingly, they just don't name him Noah, same exact story though. Oysters fossils were found on top of a mountain in the closed position. When Oysters die, the open up. and, surprise, they don't climb. Jesus is real, whether you believe he was the Son of God or not, he was a real man. Muslims believe it, alot of Atheists believe it, obviously Christians believe it. It's also been confirmed he was killed on a cross, and that he was seen after. Several doctors reports showed that he actual did die on the cross as well. C'mon, i'm sixteen and I know this. I hate it when Christians (Specifically adults) believe something with no physical evidence outside of the Bible, cause quite frankly, you can't use the Bible as an argument against atheists. I'm not sure if you're looking for evidence or just slamming the Christian religion as BS. But if you actually want more, Dr Kent Hovind's older seminars are quite interesting, and he does alot of debate if you want to check those out :).

[@teddyrattlesnake2991]

Poland was restored in 1919, 150 years after being dismantled by russia, austria and prussia.

[@dozog]

Teddy Rattlesnake. Yeah yeah, but do they have a book predicting it? 😁

[@shadowsrose4978]

"I'm going to jump out of the sacred text" Well get on with it!

[@j.c.ulater]

How tall is this text u speak of...

[@jogriffin9347]

They are offended cause they can’t support evidence to back the claim

[@mka1200]

The return of Christ will be evident for you too. God bless you.

[@alexchavez3244]

The return of Christ will be you when you find out you are god dumbasses but not everyone is ready for that because everyone is asleep but y’all are for in a rude awakening.

[@alleyway]

Jo Griffin the return of the Zorp will shake your core, blessed be the children of Zorp

[@rsr789]

The moment he is questioned, Carl responds with 'you have an agenda'... as if he's not there to push his bronze-age nonsense. The psychological projection of the religious is staggering.

[@johnpliskin8759]

@Cosmic Fool i am just gonna take a stab and say the OP was pointing out the fact that both parties have obvious and apparent agendas, and the hypocrisy of one party calling out the other on it is pretty weak

[@russwaddel08]

Because this guy DOES have an agenda. Meaning the man making this video. Every time the guy went to answer his questions, the host interrupted, cajoled, and did everything in his power to stop the answer. What is he afraid of?

[@kingpinavatar]

@@russwaddel08 the guest was constantly circumventing the questions though. The guest knew before hand that they only had 10 minutes. That was agreed upon. So instead of taking David's very casual questions head on, he decided to talk for minutes on end with no real substance. David kept interrupting him because he knew what the guy was doing thanks to his years of experience in radio.

[@russwaddel08]

@@kingpinavatar Do you know what a "debate" truly is? Because I don't think you do. You should watch this video to find out what a "debate" truly is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5asmGCKrqmgY8k You don't have to watch the full 2 hours worth, but at least watch the first 20 minutes. They go back and forth. The moderator asks a question, then someone (either Kent or one of the profs) answers the question. Then the other side gets to rebut. Then they move on. This wasn't a "debate." This was the host interrupting the person he asked a question because he didn't "like the answer." If you ask a question, you should hear the answer first. Now, looking at news channels, mostly the host interrupts the guest because the guest keeps repeating the same talking points over and over. This guest didn't even GET that far, because he would start talking, and midway through his first sentence, the host interrupts and tries to shut him down. The guest said REPEATEDLY "Let me get there. You wanted an answer, I am going to get there if you let me finish my statement." This went on for FIFTEEN MINUTES until the host decided that "Whelp, I didn't get the answers I wanted, better end it now." And don't get me started on this whole "you can't use the Bible" crap. The guy barely even quoted ANY scripture, and use many papers and cited many works other than the Bible when he COULD get a word in edge-wise. You are sore because the host claims "I won." Typical libtard and atheist tactic. Get someone on a video chat, start by asking a few simple questions, talk over that person and interrupt them to get them on the defensive, then claim "interview over, I won." It doesn't fly. This guest picked apart the host's questions at first, and so the HOST HAD TO INTERRUPT HIM BECAUSE HE WAS LOSING THE DEBATE. I have seen it time and time again. Stupid. You don't have a rebuttal, and so the only thing left to do is END THE DEBATE before people see how ignorant you truly are. Good luck rebutting this.

[@sensey07]

The strategy of con-men is to essentially repeat the same thing over and over and thus run out the clock, and then claim they've given you some kind of answer, even though it has nothing to do with whatever you asked them. Preachers count on having an audience which is slow-witted and easily dazzled by various claims. So the "answer" was simply that a regime calling itself Israel was founded in 1948 by the bankers as the culmination of the project started by the Rothschilds once WWI was over and the Turkish empire was broken up. Every religion makes claims that cannot be backed up via rational means, hence it requires the faith of those indoctrinated in it to keep believing it. It's hardly a new formula, but in the modern age it becomes ever harder to find adherents. Thus those who attend churches tend to be older (and older) and as they die off, there are not enough to replace them. If the churches were not exempt from taxes, far fewer of them would still exist.

[@Poseidon6363]

This is like talking to a naive child who use to believe in Santa but now believes in something even more ridiculous, sad

[@ThePowergoats]

+Poseidon63 I see it more like talking to a used car salesman, or someone trying to peddle a protein shake pyramid scheme.

[@Poseidon6363]

ThePowergoats The men who wrote these fairy tales must be laughing in there graves at people who take them seriously.

[@ThePowergoats]

Especially since we've come so far since the Bronze Age, when they were written; by people who didn't even know what happened to the sun at night,

[@0oBlitzoo]

+ThePowergoats No only the idiots didn't know what happened to the sun at night. Most of the inhabitants of the western hemisphere seemed to understand what happened to the sun at night.

[@josephgallegos1156]

What is the sun 🤔

[@andrewjohnson1378]

20 year pastor is a credential that makes you LESS CREDIBLE in this context lolol

[@bobshepard47]

"What I believe is informed by the book that I've written." That's some next level crazy.

[@scrobag1]

The evidence for God is found daily on the evening news. That has got to be the funny shit I have ever heard.

[@Itsjustmyselfsoitis]

Uusally they just point to the world around us in general, the ol "its all perfect, it didn't happen just by accident" chestnut

[@sefcakjames8254]

yeah, all he did was give vague responses?

[@bikerusl]

Funny if it wasn't Scary. It means he delights in the news of tragedy.

[@rambokalzone3806]

What I find funny is how the christians only really care about Israel because it will bring about the end of the world. They are looking forward to them being attacked.

[@bikerusl]

"Everybody's 's waiting for judgement day, so they can say: Told ya so." -Depeche Mode

[@EnderCrypt]

lol, this is what happends when your living in an echo chamber

[@danielh967]

You mean like the feminazis, sjws, and blm?

[@EnderCrypt]

Alex Xeon yes, exactly :) thou anyone can live in an echo chamber, just need to have extreme views and refuse to do frequent discussions with the opposition

[@danielh967]

EnderCrypts​​ David doesn't it see this way for some reason, he's very much a hypocrite that buys into the same type of thinking. Also his gun stances are also retarded, and based on emotion just like the sjws with everything.

[@EnderCrypt]

Alex Xeon yes, your very correct about that ^^

[@infoillness4222]

+EnderCrypt Imagine this person being in charge TRULY FRIGHTENING.

[@tommystevenson2921]

ask a nutter.......get a nutter answer

[@collectorofcats294]

Tommy Stevenson yep!!!

[@waltsnow1762]

........science flies you to the Moon .......religion flies you into buildings.........

[@michaelmccoy1794]

Good stuff, good stuff... GREAT stuff, actually. Gonna tell that one to ANYONE that listens. Hope you don't mind.

[@danielroquejazz3950]

WOW.. I WISH I THOUGHT OF THAT CAN I USE IT.... I LOVE IT!!!!!!!

[@russwaddel08]

Good job. You just took half the population of the world and lumped them in with radical Islam. You, sir, are the KING of generalizations, and a fucking moron to boot. You know what? Since you think I am a "terrorist," why don't you just go to hell. In fact, I really hope you do, so you can spend an eternity with Muslims who kill innocents. Then, you might learn why Christians don't share that shitty agenda. Not one Christian has: 1. Stoned a gay couple, or thrown them off rooftops. 2. Beheaded someone for apostasy. 3. Honor killed a woman for getting raped. 4. Made women wear head coverings, forbidden them to drive, beat them because the Bible demands it (hint: IT DOESN'T), or any other of the horrible things the "holy book" of Islam demands. Go learn some facts before making generalist statements that make you look worse than hillbilly at a family reunion.

[@alexday2316]

@@russwaddel08 Quite right. There's definitely no blood on Christianity's hands. Just as an aside, have you tried reading more than one book? Try a history of South America for how delightful Christians can be. Or a book on the Spanish Inquisition. Or the institutionalised rape of children by Catholic priests. To most non-believers every religion is as vile and poisonous as the next.

[@russwaddel08]

@@alexday2316 "Quite right. There's definitely no blood on Christianity's hands. Just as an aside, have you tried reading more than one book?" Really? When did I ever say that? I said, "I am no terrorist." That isn't the same thing as saying "Christianity is 'blood free." It seems that someone here hasn't been paying attention. "Try a history of South America for how delightful Christians can be. Or a book on the Spanish Inquisition. Or the institutionalised rape of children by Catholic priests." Really? Now who is biased. Hmm....Seems you need a history lesson yourself. South American Natives didn't welcome the Spanish as history teaches. They warred, they fought, and they died. They sacrificed humans by the thousands in their time. The Spanish were benevolent, and they tried to reason with the native population. But, the natives only saw them as a threat. So, they fought. And the Spanish, who had better training in warfare and better technology in weapons, prevailed. And that is why South America (predominantly) speaks Spanish. Also, the "Spanish Inquisition" wasn't as bad as people thought. You see, back in the 1300s-1600s, witchcraft was outlawed. People were superstitious, and they saw witches everywhere. Which is why the Inquisition was formed. They wanted to seek out the evil and purge it. Is it a "happy thing?" Hell no. But it is history. Might have wanted to throw in the Salem witch trials while you are at it. Hell, the American Revolution. Oh, and about those priests "diddling" boys? Not my denomination, not my problem. Take that up with the Pope. Get out of here. "To most non-believers every religion is as vile and poisonous as the next." Talk about generalizations. Wow. Can you come up with something more original? Because "religion" (as you tried to describe here) can be poisonous when people have too much authority with no accountability. You might want to think about that the next time you write a ignorant post such as this.

[@nancymesek]

I love how they follow what fits their agenda in the OT, yet they eat shellfish, wear blended fabric, etc. So ridiculous.

[@allyhosenbokus9697]

'What i believe is informed on the book that i have written" cant stop laughing. Wow i thought there was a limit to stupidity.

[@hegeliantriad3549]

Faith really isn't interested in truth, although it nearly always claims to be. This guy is a career pastor. Just another type of politician. Politicians are not interested in truth.

[@hugolindum7728]

The host is much much too polite to the twerp.

[@vorpal22]

+Tim Webb Calling him the "Jew Pakman" just makes you look like bigoted trash.

[@vorpal22]

+Tim Webb You're a hypocrite if you think you should be able to post your opinions online while telling others not to do so. Calling you out on your bigoted nonsense is not mindless. Yes David Pakman is Jewish. That doesn't mean that calling him "Jew Pakman" isn't offensive and intended to be obnoxious at best and viciously nasty at worst, "Trash Webb."

[@hugolindum7728]

Tim Webb The interviewer wasn’t nasty at all, and only an irrational fool would consider the “scholar” had anything sensible to say.

[@hugolindum7728]

Tim Webb You are a brainwashed fool believing in your version of god

[@hugolindum7728]

Tim Webb There is no point in criticising those who take the bible literally, they are fools who don’t even read the bible.

[@keaco73]

This guy is not used to being questioned outside of his congregation.

[@Jeffrey-ml3mf]

I'm sure he's never questioned inside his congregation.

[@rsr789]

@Jeffrey Sheeple don't question or think independently.

[@megakaren2160]

Guys, this is big. A sheet of paper came before me saying "I am God and these are my words. Crunchy peanut butter is superior to creamy. Thou who partakes in creamy peanut butter is a lunatic and shall be turned into a camel if not stopped. " The sheet of paper is a message from God because the sheet of paper says that it is a message from God.

[@rollfizzlebeef6619]

Blasphemy! Creamy peanut butter is the one true peanut butter approved by God for consumption. It is a little known fact that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, not because they were doing butt stuff with each other, but because they used crunchy peanut butter. The Lord will not stand for such heresy! Your punishment will be an eternity in Hell as a peanut butter and jelly sandwich being eaten by Satan over and over again!

[@skyeplus]

"Do you have a moment to talk about Hank?"

[@TheRedRaccoonDog]

It must be. Crunchy peanut butter is superior.

[@darkridge]

Hi, I'm Elder Jones from the Church of Nutella of Latter Day Spreads. I'd like to share this nutrition label with you at no cost.

[@erykfreethinker7147]

I am glad I am a non-theist because I have false teeth . . eating crunchy peanut butter is a living nightmare with the crunchies getting under the plates . . Satan's smooth peanut butter is the stuff of dreams and so say both my humps . . . and I do not have to drink for daaaaays!!!!

[@joedigger9919]

If one is 100% certain of their beliefs they won't get pissed if you ask questions. Those who get pissed have doubts.

[@danielh967]

Not really, I get pissed when retards speak retarded things. Creationists for example, and feminazis, and sjws. Guess which ones I see more often?

[@j3nnapr0sp3kt7]

+Alex Xeon It depends on where you frequent and what you specifically look for. I frequent a lot of Secular and Atheist channels and thus see dumb shit from Creationists FAR MORE than feminazis or sjws, I honestly don't deal with feminazis or sjw's much if at all in my life. In fact that anti-SJW crowd is FAR more prevalent and annoying in my life because I frequent KZbin and calling someone an SJW or feminazi has become a lazy way to try to deligitimize an argument or viewpoint.

[@ryan8878]

+Alex Xeon Been standing in front of the mirror too much?

[@j3nnapr0sp3kt7]

Alex Xeon Yeah, as I said I don't see this at all because I don't frequent any of that and I don't go looking for it like you most likely do. I live in the Midwest so I see at lot of your sort on social media and of course it's slathered on KZbin. Both sides don't know they are the just the opposite side of the same fucking annoying coin. Bleh, no thanks.

[@rahowhero]

+J3NNA Pr0sp3kt lol, the genuis alex, thinks anybody who dissagrees with him is leftist, regressive liberal sjw, with no other evidence bar their criticism of his simplistic comments.

[@cbraman]

"I would like to convince you that Spider-Man exists..." ok, what proof do you have? "I have this entire stack of Spider-Man comics." That's not the proof, that's the claim. "I see your agenda!!"

[@scarletharlot69]

12 minutes of not coming to the point and waffling

[@sefcakjames8254]

That's the main problem with these Christian fundamentalists, they are incapable of critical thinking so they depend entirely on emotions like anger, threats, etc. to make their convoluted point.

[@rickbullock4331]

scarletharlot69 I

[@michaelannen4168]

scarletharlot69 thanks, I just skipped the preaching.

[@jasonreeve661]

scarletharlot69 he would make an excellent politician. his mouth moves ALOT but says absolutely NOTHING

[@jasonreeve661]

Cliff Hanley looked to me like he was trying to get an answer to a bloody question but as with these fake men of god couldnt get any answers cos its all BS

[@sousamaster06]

These pastors talk about the bible like a Trekkie talks about how there's proof in Next Generation season 2 episode 3 that the antimatter configuration in the warp core keeps the dilithium from thermal runnaway and collapsing the containment field therefore causing a warp core breach...

[@doyleperkins7663]

sousamaster06 Lol!

[@stopmojim]

This comment was 2 months old when I read it and it still won the internet.

[@jimdigriz2923]

I'll second that.

[@comrades6868]

I believe in Star Trek more than the bible, there's more facts in it!

[@chbu7081]

Star Trek was better written.

[@titolovely8237]

"moses wrote here in deuteronomy" how do you know moses wrote that?

[@styot]

+Fightneit 90 Actually Deuteronomy was written at a time when Israel was conquered by Assyria and during the Babylonian exile when the kingdom of Israel was destroyed and the Jews were forced to live in other nations, so this "prophecy" was taking past events that had already happened and writing about them as though they were future events.

[@styot]

+Fightneit 90 P.S. Moses absolutely did not write it.

[@titolovely8237]

styot ofc he didnt.

[@mythme01]

+Fightneit 90 Deuteronomy was considered a forged text by Yawehists as a "lost book of Moses" by most Biblical scholars these days. The most obvious clue is that how could have Moses written about his own death and events afterwards?

[@grahvis]

+Michael Diehl You could also wonder how somebody knew what was happening when Jesus was supposed to be alone.

[@lcceo22]

"My belief is based on a book rhat I wrote" 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@insanisstultitia3119]

All that talk and no proof! Waste of time

[@deviantaffinity1626]

Insanis Stultitia You expected anything less?

[@glenphillips9068]

What would you look for as proof ?

[@deepinder381]

Proof. Have I answered your question.

[@glenphillips9068]

Dee Pinder what would this proof look like ?

[@deepindercheema4917]

A video recording of the birth of Christ, some grand gesture like the parting of the red sea against all known laws of physics which can be repeated at will and other baroque manifestations.

[@bndkllr2763]

Preaching is not answering questions.

[@bikerusl]

Not your questions. It's answering the questions of loneliness and fear. Irrational questions. That's the goal anyway, to draw you into the story.

[@robertcarey8294]

Unless you are Jesus !.

[@Nope2022HugeTheWarningFan]

bikerusl, it's called manipulation. This preacher wasn't very good at it. Might be why he wrote a book...?

[@AynRKey]

Egypt and Greece both ceased to exist as countries and then became countries again.

[@sefcakjames8254]

shhh, details, details, Ayn, you know they hate details just believe whatever they claim, they do?

[@thomasf.9717]

So did Poland.

[@rsr789]

@ Huschibaba, there you people go again, using demonstrable facts.

[@Hugh.Manatee]

Lithuania, Cambodia, Serbia, Ireland, Zimbabwe, Bulgaria did it twice (first conquered by the Byzantines, then shortly after their independence once more by the Ottomans), Georgia, and Persia and China have a rich history of falling apart and getting back together again.

[@rsr789]

@ Hugh Manatee yet another person using demonstrable facts... which'll just get you burned at the stake by the 'peaceful and loving' xtians.

[@ralphellis4569]

"Waaahh, why won't you let me fart out proselytic spiels?" "Didn't you hear my 'answer'? It was in my long-winded proselytic rambling!" "If I talk long enough, trying hard to sound profound, it makes what I say true!"

[@Slowdwood]

David is a patient fella.

[@maxnullifidian]

If the Christian faith were true, it wouldn't need to be defended.

[@penboyasgod6103]

[@KryssLaBryn]

Well, I mean, science is true and we have to defend it all the time. If the Christian faith were literally true, though, all the available evidence *outside* of the Bible, from historical records through all disciplines of science: Geology, biology, genetics, astrology, physics, anthropology, epidemiology, chemistry, zoology, etc etc etc would all confirm it. We would be able to make predictions based upon the Bible and then, upon examining the physical world around us, in any level of detail, find that those predictions were demonstrably correct. In fact, with geology in particular, geologists who first set out to study the physical structure of the planet fully expected to find that confirmation that the Bible was literally true. They were pretty surprised and shaken to find that it wasn't. Meanwhile, though, while scientific understanding of the world is constantly refined and improved, it hasn't so far to be proven to be fundamentally wrong--unless evidence was at any point ignored or misinterpreted. Example: The sun was at one point believed to literally be a flaming chariot being drawn through the sky by magical flying horses, by certain cultures. The evidence does not support that, and never has; it was just a handy explanation that fit a certain world-view. The sun was then postulated to be quite small and close to the earth, and to orbit around the earth. Upon examination, that also did not fit the evidence--but it was closer to correct than the flaming magical chariot. Further study suggested that, rather than the sun tracing an extremely complicated path around the earth (along with all the other visible stars and planets), the sun, stars, and planets (including the earth) orbited around the sun at the centre of the universe, in an elliptical orbit, and that it was an almost unimaginably-huge distance from us. Again, that is far, far closer to the truth; we eventually learned that the stars don't orbit the sun, and the sun, while more or less being the centre of the solar system, isn't the centre of even the galaxy, let alone the entire universe. At this point, Einstein has made predictions, based upon all the available evidence, of how light and even time itself would be warped by the gravitational pull of the sun (as with any other physical body--although it needs to have a lot of mass in order for us to be able to measure the effects), which have since been confirmed to be true, the latest time, and I believe his last unconfirmed (to that point) prediction, only within the past year or two during an observation of the sun during I think a solar eclipse. The model of the sun as a giant flaming sphere at the centre of our solar system, while still being refined (it's not a flaming ball of gases, for example, it's an ongoing thermonuclear explosion that is large enough to sustain itself, and which is slowly converting the hydrogen gas that forms the bulk of its mass into helium, along with other byproducts, including radiation across the spectrum--radio waves, x-rays, visible light, heat, etc etc--the flaming ball of gas is an over-simplification but still not inherently *wrong*), still fits *all* the available evidence; and that model allows for predictions to be made of its behaviour and effects, which have then consistently proven to be true. Meanwhile, no flaming horse turds are falling to the earth, and there is absolutely not one single other piece of evidence to show in the slightest way that the flaming chariot model is anything beyond a metaphor or myth that was dreamed up by people with no further understanding of the world--or interest in testing their hypothesis to see if it held true in the face of the evidence. TL;DR: Defending something isn't the standard of proof of its veracity; but being able to successfully defend something via 100% of the outside evidence is; and, yeah, the Bible does not meet this standard of proof.

[@thedevilsadvocate5210]

I can only presume it wouldn't have to be defended by rebuking a round earth or evolution or gravity

[@Tony07UK]

Same goes for 'evolution' theory - its proponents are so worried about this hoax and monumental lie from being exposed, that they try to indoctrinate kids in schools with this unscientific theory as if it were a fact. In addition they have blocked any attempts to address the problems and controversy surrounding the lack of scientific evidence for this theory and unwillingness to explore alternative explanations as to how life got here and how it originated. This shows that there is an agenda against the growing number of scientists who can furnish real world evidence pointing to intelligent design and at the same time exposing the flaws associated with claims for 'mutations' and 'random chance' being responsible for the complexity of living things.

[@Tony07UK]

Any attack on, or propaganda that contradicts the truth, deserves to be defended. It is only right to expose lies, fraud and hypocrisy in all areas of life, whether it is political, or pseudo-scientific, or religious.

[@JaniceHope]

The only nation to return? What about Poland, Estland, Latvia and Lithuania, Egypt, Greece, and so on...

[@space.youtube]

'The Magic Man In the Sky' When you think about it, the title says it all really. lol

[@vernicethompson4825]

Yes, particularly the word Magic. We know that means absolutely nothing.

[@lenom1289]

Same category as the imaginary friend.

[@jamesmurphy4976]

"The magic man in the sky" is Santa Clause.

[@jaconator1245]

James Murphy maybe its krampus...

[@bikerusl]

Which clause are you referring to?

[@majordendrocopos]

bikerusl The one he can’t spell..

[@majordendrocopos]

Dain Land If you insist on being picky about grammar, please get it right. “Which clause are you referring to “ or “To which clause are you referring “ are both correct.

[@petermacpherson3424]

He Just Likes The Sound Of His Own Voice.

[@davenacrelli8538]

Yup, no other story in history of a redeemer being born of a virgin, able to heal the sick, born in December, able to perform miracles, dies and then resurrected. Sure, this is why it has to be true - because there is no other story, oh wait. You mean there are at least 5 other earlier instances of this? Never mind.

[@rsr789]

All of which came before the Yezus story...

[@craigmcqueen7992]

All of which are myth. But Jesus of Nazareth is different because he really existed. Essential details of his life are historically verified by non-Biblical sources such as Tacitus, Josephus.

[@MasterCedar]

@ Craig McQueen Like those of the Jewish writer Josephus, the works of the ancient historians Pliny, Suetonius and Tacitus do not provide proof that Jesus Christ ever existed as a “historical” character. These “references” no more prove the existence of Jesus Christ than do writings about other gods prove their existence. In other words, by this same argument we could provide many “references” from ancient writers that the numerous Pagan gods also existed as “real people.” To take one example, examine the evidence for Hercules of Greek mythology and you will find it parallels the “historicity” of Jesus to such an amazing degree that for Christian apologists to deny Hercules as a historical person belies and contradicts the very same methodology used for a historical Jesus. Note that Herculean myth resembles Jesus in many areas. The mortal and chaste Alcmene, the mother of Hercules, gave birth to him from a union with God (Zeus). Similar to Herod who wanted to kill Jesus, Hera wanted to kill Hercules. Like Jesus, Hercules traveled the earth as a mortal helping mankind and performed miraculous deeds. Similar to Jesus who died and rose to heaven, Hercules died, rose to Mt.Olympus and became a god. Hercules gives example of perhaps the most popular hero in Ancient Greece and Rome. They believed that he actually lived, told stories about him, worshiped him, and dedicated temples to him. Likewise the “evidence” of Hercules closely parallels that of Jesus. We have historical people like Hesiod and Plato who mention Hercules in their writings. Similar to the way the gospels tell a narrative story of Jesus, so do we have the epic stories of Homer who depict the life of Hercules. Aesop tells stories and quotes the words of Hercules. Just as we have a brief mention of Jesus by Joesphus in his Antiquities, Joesphus also mentions Hercules (more times than Jesus), in the very same work (see: 1.15; 8.5.3; 10.11.1). Just as Tacitus mentions a Christus, so does he also mention Hercules many times in his Annals. And most importantly, just as we have no artifacts, writings or eyewitnesses about Hercules, we also have nothing about Jesus. All information about Hercules and Jesus comes from stories, beliefs, and hearsay. Should we then believe in a historical Hercules, simply because ancient historians mention him and that we have stories and beliefs about him? Of course not, and the same must apply to Jesus if we wish to hold any consistency to historicity. Of course a historical Jesus may have existed, perhaps based loosely on a living human even though his actual history got lost, but this amounts to nothing but speculation. However we do have an abundance of evidence supporting the mythical evolution of Jesus. Virtually every detail in the gospel stories occurred in pagan and/or Hebrew stories, long before the advent of Christianity. We simply do not have a shred of evidence to determine the historicity of a Jesus “the Christ.” We only have evidence for the belief of Jesus.

[@craigmcqueen7992]

MasterCedar Jesus "may have existed"? The gospel book of Luke is very detailed in its historical account, putting the events of Jesus Christ in the historical context of kings and governors. But for some reason you're unwilling to accept that as an eyewitness account (Luke based his writing on the interviews of eyewitnesses). Essential details of Jesus' life, such as being crucified by a Roman governor Pontius Pilate, are corroborated by other historians such as Tacitus.

[@MasterCedar]

@Craig McQueen As Tacitus was writing in 116 AD all he could be reporting on is what he was told by christians in reference to JC when he wrote: 'Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind'. Even then he got it wrong as Pilate was never a Procurator (One in charge of financial affairs), he was a Prefect (a magisterial title) the first Procurator to govern Judea did not happen till 44ad Please tell me why you think that Luke's 'hearsay' is valid evidence for anything as it cannot be collaborated/questioned, it is for this very reason that we do not allow it as evidence in our courts.

[@mkc1rrc]

Carl is a Baptist preacher. His comfort zone is preaching, not having a conversation about defending his faith. Expecting Carl to engage in a scientific conversation would have been in and of itself, a proof of miracles.

[@jloren4647]

This guys is a good interviewer. Just watched the noah ark one. I don't know how he can do that with a straight face.

[@LightHawkAlchemist]

I was just thinking the same thing

[@frankjames1955]

oh why.. does that mean you don't BELIEVE in it?? lol .. better to be honest and say NO i don't buy anything spiritual or Historical ( before 1960) .. than to make jest to influence others without a cause.

[@LightHawkAlchemist]

I don't believe in fantasy as fact, our written history is like 5000 years old, way beyond 1960

[@NinjaTyler]

LightHawkAlchemist plus history shows how much the Bible copied other texts and how vastly characters inside changed, like Jesus not performing any miracles in the first mentions but later books, boom! miracles everywhere like Superman getting power ups every few issues

[@pitpride1220]

It's a skill set that I don't possess that I envy.

[@eldritchwulfe]

so if I am a harry potter fan and want to build a school for magic, naming it hogwarts will prove HP is true?

[@bikerusl]

It is true because it exists. I am I.

[@careyfelts]

man, that was insane. you asked the guy for evidence outside the scriptures, he quotes scriptures, you call him on it and then goes on a 5 minute rant about scripture. then he gets mad. i am confused.

[@boarder6246]

He got so mad x] it was hilarious and sad. Not sure hot those emotions are filtering through my brain, but those are the neurons that are firing.

[@SoSoKayla]

That's always the playbook of Biblical literalists. And yes, it is insane.

[@zombiematt2006]

Why wouldn’t he just say Josephus or Tacitus wrote about the Jesus? But they are frauds too as well.

[@marmac44902]

David gave him all that air time so he could say a bunch of nothing.

[@zooblestyx]

"Shut up and let me sell my books!"

[@vonsuthoff]

He is... NOT... ever going to answer your question!!! Because the answer is unfavorable to his narrow... blinder induced... view of anything non-scriptual. Then he wants to try and turn it around on you... and when that didn't work, his final desperate solution was to get mad and accuse you of being misleading. Very frustrating*

[@doyleperkins7663]

vonsuthoff Good observation...How true.

[@lancecjohnson]

Funny how the question is only illogical after you call him out on his non-answer. Why not point it out as soon as you asked it?

[@JuliusCaesar108]

"Yes, it is!" "No, it isn't" "You're wrong!" "No, you're wrong!" "You're not listening." "I'm listening. You didn't answer the question." What did I just watch?

[@MarcF.Nielssen]

These guys are all about generalities, unverifiable claims and wild and changing interpretations. But they always shy away from facts.

[@fabiancarta]

I just can’t believe that people in the 21st century still believe in fairytails.

[@DGE123]

heck they voted for trump thats a fairy tale

[@brianinks6226]

I agree.

[@ga1actic_muffin]

let them believe in them as long as it isnt hurting anyone then.

[@XHALE303]

vulkein That would mean those people can never have kids

[@ga1actic_muffin]

@Ikilledsugarspook45 I didnt delete any of my comments. I only made 2 comments on this video and they are both still there.

[@g00gleminus96]

"What I believe is informed by, uh, the book that I've written..." What? So... you wrote a book on what you believe and what you believe is informed by the book you wrote!? Man, this guy used the begging-the-question logical fallacy right in the first answer he gave.. How can anyone take him seriously?

[@russwaddel08]

Actually, the guy wrote a book on what he believes. What a moron, can't even understand what a man says.

[@garychap8384]

aaaactually Russell ... what he said was : _"My beliefs are informed by the book that I wrote"_ - which isn't just mere circular reasoning, it's a whirling vortex of delusion. It's the very definition of _"falling for ones own bullshit"_

[@ravivdlin9412]

@@russwaddel08 lol it's so funny you're calling someone else out for not understanding and you're totally not understanding what's going on. Moron!

[@russwaddel08]

@@ravivdlin9412 umm...because the man in question is promoting a book to generate more sales, of course he leads with that. David said, "why don't you give us some examples." Which is a standard question for interviewers to follow up with. The man started to explain a few things, but was interrupted every 5 seconds by David, who was being very rude.

[@ravivdlin9412]

@@russwaddel08 lol yeah so you did completely miss the point. David asked him what INFORMED the knowledge he has (that he used to write his book) AND the guy responded "I was informed by the book I wrote." It's like saying "I know the bible is real because it says so in the bible" that's neither logical or a reasonable response. Get it know?

[@ighsight]

Had a good idea where this was going when I heard the guest's book title was "The Magic Man in the Sky". Best laugh I've had in a couple of days.

[@dangerouslytalented]

Iran, Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt? They could not stop fighting EACH OTHER.

[@j3nnapr0sp3kt7]

+dangerouslytalented What!?!?! Iran and Saudi Arabia are like BESTIES.

[@WarriorOfEden3033]

+J3NNA Pr0sp3kt no they are rivals. Yes they are Muslim but 2 polar beliefs. Iran is Shia & Saudi Arabia is Sunni.

[@dylan37373]

+WarriorOfEden3033 he was being sarcastic

[@David_AC90]

+dangerouslytalented Thats the part I would have stopped him at. Not only to your point but I doubt (I havent read the bible) there is ANYY mention of Russia in any sacred text. I could even buy Egypt or the Arab Peninsula but Russia?! They were not relevant AT ALL 2000+ years ago.

[@j3nnapr0sp3kt7]

WarriorOfEden3033 ...........................yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh............it was sarcasm.

[@misstoasty1]

OMG he is so long winded! Just get to the point

[@TheKyrix82]

The entire point is to baffle you with bullshit. You ramble on and on while sounding like you know what you're talking about, as the listener gets more and more lost, until they're just nodding their head and agreeing so that they don't look like they're the stupid one. And when you get a congregation, one person nods their head, and the others do the same so that they don't fall behind, when not one of them gets it. Which is why congregations are referred to as flocks of sheep. Unfortunately, when faced with a person who doesn't just fall in line, who thinks "This doesn't make sense because it's nonsense" instead of "This doesn't make sense because I'm not clever enough to grasp it" the whole tactic falls apart.

[@Nope2022HugeTheWarningFan]

Nehemiah Scudder: "Unfortunately there is no point for him to get to" Oh, yes there is a point to get to. Being long winded is the point.

[@idgie68able]

pic or it didn’t happen.

[@misstoasty1]

@@idgie68able this was years ago lmao

[@green_firefly]

If I understand it correctly that preachers argument is: "Look, trees. Therefore the Bible is true."

[@captainbryce1]

How is it an “illogical question” to ask for extra biblical proof to validate the authenticity of the bible? On the contrary, it is illogical to cite “the bible” as proof that the bible is authentic. The question was perfectly logical; the answer was illogical!

[@jpathak6227]

captainbryce1....but Karl does not know that. He thinks everybody lives their lives without any brains.

[@jeeplvr2000]

So he basically has nothing.

[@mandolinic]

If a book makes enough predictions, then by sheer luck alone, some will come true.

[@travistrusty6934]

Yeah even more so given a couple thousand years. And people been saying "soon" he will return since he died. Time past time to lay this prophecy to rest as didn't and won't happen. His followers most likely moved his body i n act of desperation to save their movement and low and behold they were the only ones he appeared to. The on!y thing it proves is people have believed bullshit since the beginning of thought

[@Bubbles99718]

And this is why we don't have flying cars yet.

[@bendeguire1798]

(Sorry to reply for an old comment) We have had flying cars for a long time :D They are loud, create thrust, and are very expensive though. But in line with your original point, I totally agree. We would be farther along without this recursive nonsense.

[@richardpowell4281]

Presuppositional apologetics is probably the lowest form of Christian apologetics. "Look things that seem to vaguely correlate to things in this book happened in real life, that means the rest of the book is accurate!" Well no, that makes no sense. I could write a book and call it prophecy that says the stock market will crash in the next 18 months, and then write a chapter later that gays ought to be given free houses in Beverley Hills. If a market crash happens and I was able to see that coming does not mean everything I argue is factual or accurate. Its like saying "I've been right about things before, therefore, I can never be wrong" its an asinine assertion to make which if applied to anything else they would dismiss outright.

[@ronhansen8471]

Richard your analogy is off the mark and tells me that you do not know what you are talking about. Yes the bible is a book of life and how to live it and is a book of over 250 prophecies that span 1000's of years and can be confirmed. The bible is also about our beginning and our future. It gives very basic descriptions of heaven, the angels and God himself in a way humans can understand. The bible gives us a glimpse into the mind of the true God to give us a model on how to conduct ourselves. The true God delegates to his angelic servants various task and chose humans to write the bible because the bible is for mans benefit. Understanding the abstract nature of the bible along with all its symbolism, word pictures. metaphors and like is a privilage that moist humans on earth will never experience. Those who don;t know make claims that revolve around ignorance and lack of knowledge. Of course much of the blame falls on the worlds religious leaders who did not teach its members the truth. But then the worlds religions are being controlled by a spirit creature bent on destroying the humans race who is using religion as a sounding board for his deceptive ideas. The world empire of false religion is pictured in the bible as a harlot making love to the worlds political entities.

[@jimandskittum]

And it crashed. But don't worry they propped it back up with our social security dollars for a little while.

[@JCW7100]

@@ronhansen8471 If God commanded you to kill your child, would you do it?

[@KeltoiMagus]

Jesus also said, this generation (2000 years ago) will live to see the end times. Unless there is someone over 2000 years old, I think that generation passed and nothing happen. Explain how to take that literal interpretation.

[@henryd.8140]

From Matthew 24 verse 34. "This generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Years ago, I wrote a question mark in the margin of my Bible next to that verse. In Bible commentaries some scholars note that a lot happened to that generation and others suggest that the Greek word for "generation" has a broader meaning.

[@overcamehim]

It is always a mistake to take verses out of the context. Jesus says in Matthew 24:32-34......Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender and puts out leaves, you know that summer is near. So likewise you, when you see ALL THESE THINGS, know that it is at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation shall not pass until ALL THESE THINGS be fulfilled. What generation will see ALL THESE THINGS? Certainly not the generation Jesus was talking to while He was on the earth because that generation died without seeing ALL THESE THINGS fulfilled. Jesus is obviously talking about the generation that would still be living when He returns. Shalom in Jesus.

[@henryd.8140]

alittlestrength - right. I have had the same question which, again, is why I wrote a question mark in the margin of my Bible next to that verse, specifically the words, "this generation" and have sought the commentaries of scholars for a better understanding.

[@dannytennial5311]

alittlestrength No. The people listening to the discussion understood it to mean in their lifetime. You can't have it both ways. If you are going to literally believe what is written you have to believe it as is. You don't get to claim language translation as an escape clause. The Apostles believe that Jesus would return doing their lifetime. Paul wrote it also until he saw differently.

[@dolnick7]

Anyone who believes, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would show to Christ," and "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord," is better off not returning at all. It's taken us generations to crawl out from these obscene religiously-fueled beliefs. I say good riddance.

[@ThunderBroomPilot]

He does not know how to answer questions. He just goes into his preaching routines. Makes me think of the slogan "Mind is a terrible thing to waste, or poison as a child. He must have been brainwashed as a child and never thought how to really think. Such a shame. Good question would be "Why are you basing your life on Bronze Age Myths and Fantasies?"

[@TN-qk8jf]

"more babble" -Hitchens

[@rsr789]

I miss Hitch so much.

[@bendeguire1798]

"You wanted white noise and you got it." -Hitch

[@w.jpearson14]

Religion rots the brain. Like a snake oil salesmen Carl has to "sell" Jesus to make a living. Good job David Pakman for sticking to the facts and calling out absurdities, running the clock out, and simple unanswered questions.

[@grenda5]

i agree, it gets so stale after a while. i have friends that live their life by the bible and thats all good. but i just am not interested and ask them if we could just not talk about those things. im in to quantum and particle physics and find that subject so interesting but would not push it on to people who are not interested,. its my thing. religious people cant seam to get their head around that.. personally. the study of consciousness is much more exciting

[@maximilian333]

jesus must turn in his grave when he sees these CULTS selling religion LOL.

[@stephj9378]

it definitely can but not in most cases. Study, practice and the faith it that produces is a good guide in life.

[@bikerscout2012]

Jesus. For when you believe in cursing trees and turning children into goats.

[@rahowhero]

and not washing your hands.....good ol jc and his amazing advice.

[@sunmustbedestroyed]

+rahowhero ... and encouraging people to take no thought for tomorrow, to abandon their family to follow him (i.e. forcing the wife to prostitute herself to support the children, because men were the breadwinners), threatening those who don't agree with him with eternal fiery torture, badly reciting Buddhistic and Confucian philosophies that pre-date him by 500+ years, encouraging people to abandon critical thinking in favour of superstition and gullibility, extolling racial supremacy, tacitly supporting slavery, etc. The man was a treasure trove of excellent teachings! /s

[@Akira625]

+bikerscout2012 God hates figs!

[@mackjonsey4999]

+Akira625 _God hates figs!_ But the camels love them! But, "god" does love the *fig leaves* .... 'cause he really hates looking at full nudity.

[@sunmustbedestroyed]

***** Yes, racial supremacy. Calling Israelites "chosen people" and referring to gentiles as "dogs" doesn't strike me as particularly egalitarian.

[@WintersLair]

omg that guy talked in a circle on and on and on and on , and .. well you know

[@thevidwatcher1000]

WintersLair was it and ON?

[@dorcia]

Religious people really circumnavigate logic.

[@vaquero3578]

dorcia - yea just like atheists and evolutionists do.

[@lindafox1948]

Vaquero 357 No. Many people came to atheism through logic. That was a playground taunt "I know you are, but what am I?" etc

[@MalcolmPaulBroyard05]

“The magic man in the sky.” I believe that’s the pot dealer in my Apt.

[@KingCrocoduck]

if you want to see Carl Gallups get owned bigtime, check out TheLivingDinosaur's "Holy Hallucinations"

[@stevenfeduk8627]

+King Crocoduck Damn right. I was just going to mention that. Keep up the good work!

[@TheItalianTrash]

+King Crocoduck Which episode?

[@KingCrocoduck]

+The Plebeian search "holy Hallucinations ppsimmons"

[@BigBraGad]

+GG Bianco pretty much all of them

[@TheItalianTrash]

Brad G I've previously watched like half of the Holy Hallucinations episodes; but is episode 29 the only one with PPSimmons?

[@hoopshank]

He wrote a book called "The Magic Man In The Sky" that is pro-Christian? I tend to think of 'magic man in the sky' as a bit of an insult to belittle believers and their imaginary friends :)

[@mackjonsey4999]

+hoopshank I was thinking the same thing. I think it shows just how much and how many of these religionists really don't believe this bullshit, they are just out for whatever fame and money they can get.

[@crobulari2328]

+Mack Jonsey They have found a way to make a living without working!!. Indoctrinating people with nonsense. No guarantees and no comeback. I once knew an ordained priest and asked him if he really believed in the ascention of Christ. Of course not he replied, but I have to convince people to make a living. His name was Michael like mine.

[@mackjonsey4999]

Crobular I _Of course not he replied, but I have to convince people to make a living._ There's an entire sub-culture in America "catering" to priests/pastors/preachers/etc who don't believe any of this bullshit, but won't give up their jobs.

[@bemoore4]

Once someone decides to believe something, you can't get them off of it.

[@jmul3039]

bemoore4 Someone like David, being an atheist is being willfully ignorant and foolish.

[@rambokalzone3806]

That's not really much of a retort you got there.

[@sjenkins88]

dlee t hmm, isn’t it though? I think you just chained yourself and swallowed the key

[@NicoleKe]

Yeah you can

[@FlanaFugue]

Also true of all you so-called secularists commenting here - you're so convinced you're right you can't even address the reality of this interview which is that, no, it didn't go very well, for David, not the bible guy. (and I'm about as atheist as any of you here, so I'm not of the god-persuasion, just of the critical, don't believe everything at face-value persuasion and that includes badly constructed st pieces like this whole interview.) In the end, both are just preaching to their respective choirs. And also David is even more avoiding that the Christian.

[@Observer-cp4if]

Yep. This interview does speak for itself.

[@monkman6103]

Wow this guy is crazy. He rambles on and on giving no real answer then blames the interviewer for interrupting his nonsense. These bible bible people completely ignore scientific evidence and logic and quote a made up story for children from yrs ago. Might as well quote Harry Potter as real life

[@jonq8714]

Hearing a Christian (or a Muslim) give a summary of what they believe I find myself thinking 'How can they not know that sounds absolutely ridiculous?'.

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

jon Q Christen: the babbal is tru cus gaawd say soo Muslim: the Cuurraan is tru cus aliha say soo

[@dennisdwyer6500]

The Bible does not prove there is a God it assumes there is a God. You believe in God by faith and faith alone.

[@k0smon]

DD/// Not totally by faith. There is some reason also, such as the complexity and the mystery of life itself.

[@ConcealedCourier]

"You asked for proof outside of the text and that's illogical." What!?

[@SkipAd_Vegas]

"I come from a biblical world view."----- In other words, "I'm a believer in mystical bullshit"

[@mattiassollerman]

Steve Shives has made some excellent 4 hour long in depth commentary on Gallups' book The Magic Man in the Sky. It's appears to be a mess, even for apologetic standards.

[@cranezilla1016]

+Mattias Sollerman "Ehe Magic Man in the Sky" tells it all right there, what more do you need?

[@treehugger5435]

You can tell he is used to only interviewing with like minded people who don’t question his logic

[@ockhamsrazr1856]

​ Carl Gallups reminds me of the snake oil salesman who stood on our doorstep and said "Of course I can prove that this snake oil cures all your ills! See right here on the side of the bottle where it says CURES ALL YOUR ILLS?"​