The 4 Squares Review - Marvel Dice Throne

[@mrmaybe79]

I just want to say, the more I see the new team together like this the more I'm glad new blood was brought on. The Tom, Zee and Sam combo was good but this team and the ladies as well....great addition to elevate the channel.

[@JhoffDJ.]

I’m sure Sam is a nice guy but his reviews and board game commentary is just boring and uninteresting. He always said a lot but said nothing at all. That hasn’t changed with his new gig either. This group is 100% better.

[@Sammwise]

100% agree. I love the dynamic of the new crew and different perspectives. The Dice Tower has never been better

[@MattD007]

@@JhoffDJ. I actually found Sam refreshing and honest.

[@mikec5563]

@@MattD007 Same. He was refreshingly blunt.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

@@mikec5563 Yes and the bluntness I'm missing. Everyone is super polite and chilled, but I want more"tell it how it is" clashing, without ever saying the words "its not for me" or "in my opinion"

[@LilBoyHexley]

Dice Tower has gone from a channel that's good for having the most reviews, to having one of my favorite casts. The rapport between the new crew is fantastic and I can watch videos in this format all day.

[@Astral134]

Dice Throne in general (my MDT is on pre-order), I think the game systems are quite amazing. It's not as simple as "I roll some dice, I do some damage. it's your turn". Each character plays SO differently, but are balanced enough that if you didn't win, it's not (always) because you had bad luck or because you lack skill. There are different symbol weights on the dice (There are 3x/2y/1z, 2x/2y/2z, 3w/1x/1y/1z, 2w/x2/1y/1z, even a 2w/1x/2y/1z), which change the way you learn to play the hero. Some are survivors (whittle down your opponent while blocking some/half/all of their damage). Some are glass cannons (do as much damage as you can because other than with cards, you aren't going to avoid any coming at you). Some try to drag the game out a little until they're ready to dish out the pain using tokens/CP/cards. Some can heal. Some get tokens that are currency to place tokens, or reroll dice, or draw cards, or gain CP, or avoid damage, or add damage, etc. Some have pets! Others get amazing card draw or CP gain, while some feel underpowered because they don't (and they're not, they just need to be played differently). The tokens are great: "This one says you're on fire/poisoned/bleeding/stunned", "These let me add or subtract damage", " I can trade 3 of these for a card". I think the game is simple (enough) and fast (enough) that if someone didn't initially like it the first time you played/taught it, it's worth trying again another time (with same or different heroes). It takes multiple plays to appreciate what this game offers. You can start with ANY of the boxes (they're standalone but mix with every other character), so grab what character set looks fun to you. I could go on, but no one's reading this anyway. 9/10, top 10 game of all time. I will say that it would've helped to have a Damage Types rule card for each deck. If it's something someone has to check the rulebook to remember, and it can fit on a card (like the chart), it should be on a card. The rest is really not as complicated as Zee made it out to be. Maybe 2-sided card with token rules that the opposite player could hold onto too would've also been neat, so they don't have to check the other player's leaflet. Release a "Booster pack" of cards for each season with special rule cards, imo.

[@TheOpGames]

Thanks for taking a look at Marvel Dice Throne! Excited for everyone to get their hands on this one. 💙💪🎲

[@beneisen6982]

Nice review. I haven't looked too deep in Marvel Dice Throne, but another counter to Zee's point about the boards being very similar was addressed in previous seasons subtley; such as different distribution of symbols on the dice, distribution of results (such as with straights), or having a choice of two different defend abilities. I'm looking forward to getting this to my table.

[@makejelone]

This review was so polite and amicable.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

But it's more fun when it isnt.

[@ccm00007]

I never got into Dice Throne as it's been hard to get ahold of it without paying sometimes silly prices. But several of my friends are raving about it, and it looks right up my alley. So I backed the Kickstarter, got the battle chest, and thus took a big gamble. Looking forward to June to see if it's as fun as I've heard.

[@FourManaSevenSeven]

You chose the correct line of play. 👍

[@alwaysardent1125]

I think you will be pleased

[@mattias9095]

I'd be surprised if you wouldn't like it. But like Zee said, there's a bit of a learning curve. Definitely start with the easier characters and continue as you go. This game is wo awesome. When you're done, you just want to picj the next character for another round, and again, and again!

[@Freydohh]

Did you receive it yet? I got my KS. What are your thoughts?

[@ccm00007]

@@Freydohh I am from Canada, so still waiting.

[@LittleBigThumbs]

Re: The discussion/criticism about the main board - Speaking as someone who plays with younger children, we leave out the side board and sometimes even the cards, and for that reason having those more complex elements disconnected is a blessing.

[@noreviewplaythrough4051]

In the first version of this game the rules said that the game can be played without using cards or tokens. (I don’t know if the later rulebooks included this or not). This is a good way to start off playing the game.

[@VaultBoy13]

I would imagine that all versions of Dice Throne can be played this way. It's probably less balanced this way, but it'd provide a way for players to learn the basics.

[@lorinan]

As someone who's been advocating this game since the original Kickstarter, this was a very good job by Zee explaining how the game plays. Love the game, love Manny's Art, so glad you decided to do this review.

[@kyneanderson5851]

I laughed when Roy mentioned King of Tokyo and upgraded to Dice Throne. My gaming buddy loved King of Tokyo and I didn’t care for it and I introduced him to this Dice Throne game and he really liked it.

[@patrickaldred6848]

I love dice throne and taught this game very easily to new players. I don't think it's overly complex. The cards you play are color coded that let you know when you can play a card. There is a very simple chart that explains very clearly what can be defended and what can't be. Love the seeing the 9's. Great work guys.

[@joelface]

Totally agree with you. Obviously there could be some issues teaching the game to someone who has never played a 30+ minute game before, but especially with the lighter-complexity heroes in the game, it's an easy teach. I actually think it's brilliant that you can teach the game with simple heroes and introduce those more complex mechanics in subsequent plays after they've got the basics down.

[@daniellebackus819]

Bought a copy from Boardingschool Games (a splurge for sure, but I wanted the Kickstarter version). It’s my first Dice Throne game, and I love it! I really enjoy the “more complex” characters. So far I have beaten my husband every time, but I just explained to him some strategies for increasing the chances of getting good dice rolls based on probabilities, so hopefully that will even the playing field a bit.

[@themixmusicandmore6280]

My local store has marvel zombies: heroes resistance, champions, dice throne, and damage control. Which one should I pick up?

[@nickcherms9168]

Surprised you guys didn't mention the dice throne adventure game and how this might play into that

[@joelface]

It is compatible!

[@nickcherms9168]

@@joelface I know just surprised it wasn't mentioned.

[@WildWarrior26]

I haven't even got my kickstarter order yet.... hope did you guys get it or where can I buy it

[@christospetkidis2388]

I wish the 'how to play' overview had used two heroes... It would have given us an entirely different idea of what the game actually feels like, especially showcasing the Attack/Defense interaction. Also, the ability Thor eventually activated would allow him to throw the hammer, which was unfortunate to miss! (Apologies if this turns out to be false, but I am pretty confident that it is accurate.) I loved Zee doing that segment from the perspective of someone who is new to the game though! The boards do follow a similar structure. Abilities that require similar rolls are in similar positions. The easier they are to roll, the more samey they may feel (though not always). The most special and harder to roll abilities are towards the right of the board. Even with the simpler ones, when upgraded they become more unique. It is not that different from how card games work. There are some base abilities and requirements, mixed and matched in various ways to convey flavor and support different play styles. A lot of action cards that you draw also feel very special. The differences among the heroes do depend a lot on their tokens, but the alternative would be to have the token descriptions inside the board tiles and, well, that wouldn't really look very nice, would it. The current set up is...efficient, I believe.

[@christospetkidis2388]

The game *can* turn REALLY complex with the timing and descriptions of all the effects, but I feel labeling it a casual game is still fairly accurate. It is a game that plays out simply and intuitively and is pretty fast, *as long as* you have figured it out first and don't need to understand how a status effect works on-the-spot. The official Facebook/discord group can really help with that! As for the luck part, I'd have liked somebody pointing out that there is a lot of dice manipulation and status effects manipulation in the game using the cards that are common across all heroes (and perhaps some hero-specific effects, depending on the hero), so there is quite a bit of strategy going into this as well. It's not just about what your dice "tell you" to activate each turn. There are some very interesting twists and turns the game can take!

[@christospetkidis2388]

This Marvel set as a standalone box didn't have much value for me, because it has only some of the OG MCU Avengers, only a couple of highlights from the more recent films, and a single hero representing the Spiderverse. Not my favorite approach as I'd love to be able to say I have *these* heroes which X product had presented as a group and no one is missing. Hopefully a future installation will complete more of each roster represented here to make the entire collection of MDT heroes feel more...complete in my eyes. I agree the heroes that were chosen for this were designed/translated brilliantly, and several of them may be some of the most fun and interesting DT heroes for me. And as a DT fan, I loved your enthusiasm and appreciation for the set, the presentation, and I was really happy with your overall assessment, as well as your individual takes! ^_^ You have played DT before if I'm not mistaken. Last one was a DTA playthrough, wasn't it? Will you be playing more in the near future?

[@TheErnieforss]

Cant wait to get my copy. Also did they release a reset kit for dice throne adventure

[@MattyWarbucks]

I agree with Zee about the Yahtzee taking away from the characters. I had that issue with the original game when it was first released.

[@joelface]

So you'd prefer a card-only game? I actually think Yahtzee introduces WAY more skill into a dice game than most dice-implementations in games offer, especially with cards that can manipulate and mitigate the dice luck. For those of us that love some light dice-odds calculating, it's a perfect mix of dice and cards -- better than I've seen in any other game.

[@LegoAssassin098]

Hoping that there's another season of this at some point and you can get the kickstarter edition again.

[@daniellebackus819]

I just got a copy of the Kickstarter version from Boardingschool Games. Looked like there was a similar big box version (not the same as KS, but at least all in one box) going up for sale from the publisher’s website pretty soon too.

[@lukejw11]

My biggest thematic complaint is that it has heroes fighting heroes for the most part. Any news on more villains being added? Also, is there any possibility of team play?

[@EM-pn5kq]

I've never done it but I believe there's already rules for 2v2. As for villains, they said they're next project is more original characters. I wouldn't be surprised to see marvel revisited, but I wouldn't expect it for a couple years.

[@BenjaminoBest]

There are lots of ways to play, 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or free for all all add variations to gameplay.

[@godofzombi]

Just pretend the game takes place during Civil war or Secret wars. ;-) Or that some of them are Skrulls.

[@lukejw11]

@@BenjaminoBest Cool. Are these in the rulebook for this game or another Dice Throne game, or house rules from fans online?

[@rav3style]

@@lukejw11 it’s all in the manual which btw you should always download from the website to have the most updated one

[@MrScrawnjuan]

Nice. I've got season 2 and backed this on KS. Glad to hear the theme seems to have mostly helped

[@Ehurst01]

I haven't played the Marvel DT but the Tactician vs Huntress has a big difference on the player board. Huntress cannot defend she just deals damage back to the attacker where Tactician can actually block attacks. Marvel may be more cookie cutter but the other season definitely have differences on both boards.

[@joelface]

Actually I really do think that the Marvel heroes are very unique, not cookie cutter at all!

[@Erginartesia]

I almost always agree with Zee .. but not this time. I have not played Marvel Dice Throne, but I have played Dice Throne season 1 rerolled. I very much appreciate that the engine board mostly works the same for all characters, and at the same time there is excitement in learning how to best upgrade and play the deck to augment. I AM like Mike… more interested from Dice Throne than Marvel.

[@BocookGaming]

Are the characters compatible with Dice Throne Adventures? 🤔

[@thedicetower]

Yes, they work just fine. I've solo-ed a few of the bosses with different characters from the Marvel set. ~Chris

[@BocookGaming]

@@thedicetower Cool! Thanks for replying! :)

[@VexylObby]

I really hope for some sort of Co-op variant to this eventually, as the appeal for Marvel in my play circle would be to band together against villains.

[@lthudgins]

There's Dice Throne Adventures 🤷‍♂️

[@VexylObby]

@@lthudgins I'll have to check it out!

[@andyliebermann5244]

I'd love to see a comparison between this and Unmatched Marvel. I can see myself getting one or the other. I only have room for so many games, especially so many Marvel games.

[@bornofashes]

They both have very satisfying thematic ties. I think the main decider is going to be dice vs cards, the ol’ input vs output randomness. Dice Throne has was to mitigate rolls, but you still start over from scratch each turn. Unmatched can still have RNG with the deck order, but you know exactly how many copies of each card are in your deck and can hold onto that linchpin card until the right moment. With dice you can get lucky and roll an ultimate every turn. With cards your abilities are preciously scarce resources.

[@Ehurst01]

You can't go wrong with either. They both scratch a similar itch. I haven't played dice throne with more that 2 players so I can't say how the 3 and 4 player games are. Unmatched plays well with 4. That may be something you would want to explore if player count is an issue.

[@gassie8952]

I have both and for me its dice throne all the way. As a two player game nothing beats dice throne for me

[@TheErnieforss]

I find that in unmatch i'm usually playing tag by running around the board, when i play with inexperienced players. Then you are playing sort of rock papper scissor with the cards. Dice throne feel more like a slapping contest. Where you just see who can hit the hardest until someone falls down. I really like dice throne. But zee complaints are vaild. There are some crazy timing rules to calculate damage, and it does have 3 or 4 different types of damages. But they can be ignored until you get fimilar with the basic of the game. Sure you are learning wrong, but as long as you are having fun and you thought it was a fair fight, it doesnt really matters. Its crazy how balanced the game is for how much luck is involved.

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

Dice Throne is my wife's and my go-to quick brain-dead game. But we are heavy gamers. I think Zee's issue with text is in some part due to expectations potentially. It isn't King of Tokyo, but it's also not Too Many Bones.

[@typerk2388]

The Dice Tower have always made it a point to mention how Cthulu, zombies and trading in the Mediterranean are overused themes. I'm not hearing it about the Marvel theme.

[@thedicetower]

Eh, you'll hear it soon enough. :)

[@typerk2388]

@@thedicetower Ooooh. Foreshadowing. :)

[@michaeldilisio557]

You’ll definitely hear it from me when the theme makes no sense for the game play. Marvel United? Makes sense. Marvel Dice Throne? Makes sense. Marvel Splendor? Give me a break.

[@MattD007]

Marvel has me burnt out completely. After people wishing for some IP game alternatives (me included) it's crazy how many games they're slapping the theme on. Marvel Castles of Burgundy anyone?

[@typerk2388]

@@michaeldilisio557 In that case, I hope you'll be involved in the 4 squares for the upcoming Captain Amerigo.

[@Unit17]

I have seasons 1 and 2, but don't think I need the Marvel one or any more seasons unless they really change it up.

[@VaultBoy13]

I'm in a similar situation, except I also grabbed Marvel. But, I don't see myself grabbing future seasons. I also can't imagine trying to store more seasons than 3 of the game. Great game, but they take up a lot of shelf space.

[@jimgrant9081]

Great review and helpful different starting perspectives. I backed this but was a little concerned that the system might lean a little too much into fiddly details like the damage types versus the vibe it gives which is “drop 2 characters on the table, pop the lids off, and have some fun.” As someone who hasn’t played Dice Throne before I’ll probably have to master those nuances so I can bring in new players smoothly to enjoy what looks like a fun game.

[@KhadaJoe]

As I have felt with Unmatched, I’m coming at this as a fan of both the game AND the IP. Unmatched and Dice Throne have done a great job making the characters feel like themselves while also playing into their respective games. The thing I love about DT doing the Marvel collab is giving a real face to a character rather than a generic character like “ninja” or “pyromancer” or “thief.”

[@godofzombi]

I can't wait for Unmatched For king and Country: Once that drops we'll be able to play Black Widow in Unmatched, Funkoverse, DiceThrone and Dice masters.

[@joelface]

I like both games as well, though I enjoy taking my turn in DT even more than in Unmatched -- there's more to think about and more to hope for on your turn. But, Unmatched has a lot of fun aspects as well.

[@Denzarki]

i wish there was a solo mode, the art is amazing and i would love to collect and play but as an autistic i have a lack of friends to play with lol.. i go to board game night but then you have to fight to get your game on the table lol

[@justinwaltz7991]

I think Zee is spot on with dice thrones issues. I really like dice throne, and have probably played it over 50 times (partially because I have a friend that loves it and it plays well over zoom) but I’ve had some rough experiences trying to play and explain/look up rules/timing issues/calculations (luckily the rulebooks have gotten a little better). I do think it is a weird mix of what the game is asking me to do (play Yahtzee) and what it is asking from me (remember keywords and interactions and how to resolve timing issues with an order of events that involves cards and abilities and tokens and other different types of cards). I think that it did/does pull back on the thrill/fun for me that I get from other push your luck dice games (like King of Tokyo) and make even the rolling of dice feel pretty calculating and mechanical as opposed to exciting and “cinematic”. All that said, I did back this because it looked like a great implementation of the theme, and I’m looking forward to it. Great video!

[@joelface]

I get your comparisons to Yahtzee and King of Tokyo because those both use the 3-roll system as well. But I don't think Dice Throne is supposed to feel like those games with extra steps. It's very much in it's own world in terms of how you play and enjoy it. The deck of cards is a huge part of the game, as is understanding your playerboard and your status effects. Knowing which cards to sell, which to save, and what to focus on for the specific hero or heroes you're up against... that's a big part of winning in this game, and it's an aspect that those other games don't have at all. It's not meant to be a party game in the same way as KoT, which ideally has about 15-second turns. Instead, you get to embody your hero for a minute or two and the dice-rolling is merely the reality-check on your your bigger plan. In any case, you're allowed to feel the way you do about the game, especially since you've played it 50 times, but just wanted to share my reaction to your comment -- hope you'll enjoy the Marvel set!

[@justinwaltz7991]

That’s fair, and I do enjoy it and it definitely is different than King of Tokyo. I guess my main point is that a lot of the mechanical considerations keep me from being able to ‘embody the hero’ and the dice/card draw make the strategy/tactics with a particular character during a given turn hard for me to wrap my head around, especially with some of the heroes. Probably has more to do with me than anything! Thanks for the input and reply!

[@koalabrownie]

Also- not sure that Miles Morales is "obscure" at this point. He had an oscar-winning animated film made about him after all. Maybe he's obscure with the americans who shun cartoons crowd.

[@nothing3376]

Within geek culture, def not obscure. But among the average American, def obscure

[@joelface]

@@nothing3376 I'm guessing that they're aiming this Marvel board game at geek culture, not the average American. :P

[@jessewieman6955]

I love this version of dice throne. I just wish there were more villains in the set. We get Loki and that’s it. Where’s Thanos or venom

[@richardtasden4417]

They can go ahead and send me mine now.

[@TheErnieforss]

Cant wait for dice throne: Cthulhu. I bet Zee would give it a 9. Also it makes sense. You are doing summons with your dice

[@spike2439]

"Then you're going to win the whole th--" Win the whole what?! Win the whole what?!

[@flupito]

I'm with Zee in this one.

[@xelthos2051]

Sometimes it's nice to see expansions get more complicated characters, I love Dice Throne and Marvel, so it's a Greta crossover. I do agree that thr Marvel version probably should have been a little less complicated, but it's great to reward long time fans with more stuff. Though the down side to each expansion getting complicated characters is you slowly push out the originals, Red Dragon Inn is my all time favorite board game still and I own every expansion and bonus character possible, but I never play the characters from 1-3 any ore cause they feel so bland compared to all the crazy characters that have bonus mechanics compared to just more or less damage and booze.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

I get the excitement for it, but Zee's con's do worry me, those are legit issues with the game and i wonder if the love for Dice Throne original is affecting it. I can't see how a game can be casual if like Zee says it's got all these rule differences to have to consider.

[@npckse8508]

I dunno, people who already loved Dice Throne found this a bit better. Like a better expansion, so for fans of the system, there shouldn't be an issue. Now if you don't like the game, I doubt this is for you. If you don't know, well then perhaps TTS for the win?

[@BenjaminoBest]

The more complex charecters have more moving parts to keep track of, half of the charecters are about a 1-3 complexity and the others 3-6 so it just depends on who you play as. The general rules were explained very well in the video but there are some more detailed rule explanations that come up during gameplay but overall it's pretty simple to pick up and play

[@VaultBoy13]

I haven't had any problems teaching it and playing it with casuals. It's a fairly straightforward game. I think it belongs with other gateway games.

[@ronthal]

I don't own this or any other Dice Throne box, and at first I thought "oh that's another duel game, great", but after having played twice, I can't think of any other 1v1 game that can be taught quickly, maybe including 3mins explaining a round, 90 seconds of reading the character sheet and 1min for the yahtzee powers on the board... And then fun and tense enough game after game. Everything makes sense, no need to know your deck by heart to figure out combos (there are some but they're obvious), no need to read much on cards, plus you only draw one per round. I find it as easy as Star Realms mechanically, that is way easier than practically all 1v1 deckbuilding games, with a lot of fun, lots of replayability with 2 or 3 boxes at least, and material that is really pleasant to manipulate. Main question mark is on the balance, not sure heroes are 100% balances already in season 1 (but again, asymetry usually means no perfect balance).

[@joelface]

@@ronthal It's extremely balanced. I've played thousands of games and every character beats every other character. The playtesting for the game is crazy.

[@aceshelman]

I enjoy Dice Throne, but my very least favorite part is the draw deck. The randomness of the dice is a given and expected with the "Yahtzee" underpinnings, but the decks add another layer of random that can make or break your game. I would have preferred at least a way to upgrade your powers without having to rely on random draws from a relatively thick draw deck. Why is this a concern? Characters with accelerated card draw abilities have a massive advantage in tactical flexibility.

[@MrN0b0dy85]

Have you played contest of champions? While not a super deep or highly rated game each character has a specific set of cards that are in front of them that if you roll the right dice and are able to match the symbols you can trigger that power or use the dice for their symbols. Maybe having something like that where you would have a tableau of cards to select from and have to make that choice before the game starts and then the randomness would come from just the dice?

[@aceshelman]

@@MrN0b0dy85 I have not played that one, but yeah my thought was to have the upgrades available in a tableau, and being allowed to buy one per turn or something like that. I'd reduce the maximum hand size by one if I did something like this.

[@michaelhajduk7226]

There actually is an official variant in the rule book where you can break up the draw deck into one with just the upgrades and the other with the rest. When drawing cards, you choose where to pull from.

[@aceshelman]

@@michaelhajduk7226 shows how closely I read 😂

[@joelface]

@@michaelhajduk7226 They actually removed that variant in season 2 because it started to affect the balancing of the heroes. But you could definitely still do it if you wanted. But the game is meant to have the amount of luck that it has, and the skill of a skilled player actually outshines the luck in the game the vast majority of the time. To the point where the same player has won multiple large tournaments in this game before.

[@basskid112]

Now I'm interested... another money pit, here we come!

[@VaultBoy13]

@@bijanajamlou5152 Sounds like you've never played it.

[@joelface]

@@bijanajamlou5152 This game has a tournament scene -- and the same player has won big tournaments multiple times. So... yeah. you're way off.

[@bangazboom9925]

I bought a few sets of Dice Throne, played them and hated them. I never felt like I did anything but roll dice and then the game plays itself. I kept it for my young kids, thinking they may like it because it’s simple to play but even then, there’s other young family games I’d rather play that are fun. I’m glad to hear Zee’s reservations because I felt like my wife and I were the only ones who weren’t enamoured with Dice Throne.

[@TheErnieforss]

Thats how i felt when i started to play too. Then I played with different people and started to learn how to strategize by using my cards and try to push my luck more with the rerolls instead of just taking the first attack i see. I actually had a fight last for 45 minutes and i went through more than 75% of my deck.

[@misha_odd]

Is it on purpose that cover looks like rainbow bulldog?

[@MrIcognegro]

Dice Masters???

[@pierrewhite2062]

I love Roy's fan boy defense against Zee's critical analysis 🤣

[@koalabrownie]

I'm pretty done with Marvel, except for the Xmen, but the Xmen are getting short shrift when it comes to boardgames- they're getting some love, but not nearly enough.

[@VaultBoy13]

Hasn't CMON gone pretty deep on the X-Men roster for Marvel United? Plus, they had a bit of X-Men love with Zombicide. For non-CMON, the rumor is the next phase for Marvel Champions will be X-Men. And, Crisis Protocol has 20+ mutants many of which are X-Men.

[@koalabrownie]

@@VaultBoy13 The United games have a lot of content but most of it won't come to retail. Like literally 90% of it won't come to retail which is a pretty big turn off for me. I like to collect everything but I don't necessarily want to drop 300 USD on a KS to get it. There was also another Xmen mutant revolt game or something that came around in the last couple years but DT gave it a pretty bad review. They do get some support, but it's always down the road- they're clearly B-tier when it comes to product these days. And its solely because Fox had the movie rights to Xmen, not Disney.

[@koalabrownie]

@@VaultBoy13 Thanks for the game titles by the way. Will check out Crisis Protocol.

[@estebanferreira8726]

My IQ is not high enough to understand this game, I’m a 35 year old IT guy. This game is for 8+ 😢

[@MattD007]

As I tend to side with Zee on many games, this absolutely looks like too much luck and a pass for me ultimately. Good video as always.

[@TheTrout9000]

I’ve played dice throne a handful of times and just do not have fun. The productions are out of this world, and I love the art (first thing they drew me to Wonderlands War, same artist), but the game just isn’t for me.

[@rav3style]

There’s very little luck really, there’s some very concrete strategies depending on your initial roll, never mind, it’s very rare you end up not attacking (that’s only happened to me once or twice since season 1) plus your hand is going to help you alter your rolls even more.

[@VaultBoy13]

@@rav3style I agree. The game offers a good amount of mitigation. And, it takes some very bad luck to not be able to attack at all. There's quite a bit of strategy to the game despite some luck around the dice rolls.

[@MattD007]

I think I'll trust Zee's assessment all things considered.

[@aceshelman]

​@@rav3style This game is random random random. I mean sure, you look at your roll and play the odds to make something out of the results, but it's still rolling dice. Adding the draw deck to the mix is a randomness multiplier that isn't equitable from one character to the next, due to differences in card draw rate from toon to toon. I say this as an owner of Dice Throne Season I rerolled, Season II, and Marvel. I like the game but random luck can and does absolutely **** you over at a greater than trivial rate.

[@wonskrad7240]

there should be a version where the actual MCU actors/characters are printed on box/cards, not their comic/cartoon... ladies will kill to get and use Thor hahaha

[@KickstarterRadio1024]

#Wait4DiceThroneDC version!

[@maxducoudray]

Would be super interesting to see. They made it sound as if this is a one-time thing and we should expect more original content going forward rather than licensed stuff. But of course, maybe they can’t talk about a license until it’s ready…

[@londonrhodes2429]

Unfortunately I'm gonna have to pass. I think I'd love the game but teaching new players seems like a chore.

[@RetroGirlAstrid]

I love Dice Throne and Marvel and just... the whole "Hey, play your favorite Marvel hero beating up your... favorite... Marvel... Hero?... thing just didn't really grab me. I would be interested to see something Dice Thrones Adventure style, or just generally something more villain oriented to go up against. I mean heck, they could have at least threw a "Civil War" thematic mix on there or something. I know it's a weird detail to be hung up on but it really did just make me kinda... shrug the whole thing off despite loving both franchises.

[@joelface]

You can play these heroes in Dice Throne Adventures. But also... Marvel Heroes often have to fight other Marvel heroes... it's a very common thing. You can feel free to add your own flavor text to any particular battle. Maybe one is possessed by a villain, or brainwashed into thinking one of the other heroes is hurting others... who knows! :P

[@branboom3342]

I dislike the art for the Dice Thrones games, I think it looks especially bad when applied to established comic book heroes, where amazing art already exists

[@joelface]

The general consensus is that this game has amazing art. But obviously some people don't like certain things. It's definitely not amateurish, if that's what you're insinuating.

[@branboom3342]

@@joelface No I just think compared to the comicbook art that exists for these superheroes, this art pales in comparison, objectively. Without that comparison, I still don't like the art but that's my subjective opinion.

[@bruceulrich1231]

So tired of Marvel everything...

[@peterkarlsson1825]

It´s a big cow.

[@bruceulrich1231]

@@peterkarlsson1825 ...correction... So tired of dice tower drooling over Marvel everything...

[@DTChrisYi]

@@bruceulrich1231 We could lie, I suppose. There's certainly an oversaturation of Marvel licensing in hobby gaming. But also I'd like to think we explained why the theme fits and makes the game exciting. This is the single game I was most excited about seeing the Marvel IP attached to. Splendor? Love Letter? Not so much. Thanks for watching the review.

[@bruceulrich1231]

@@DTChrisYi Not specific to this game. Or this review even. I have just become exhausted from seeing so much content revolving around Marvel everything. From " Tom reviews other stuff" Marvel movie/TV show to Legendary and expansions, Champions and expansions, United...and on and on....Give me more trading in the Mediterranean please.

[@DTChrisYi]

@@bruceulrich1231 Haha, as someone who often enjoys games with the Mediterranean games, I get it. Sometimes the IP stuff is makeup over a bad game, so I get particularly happy when there's good games underneath a superhero theme. As for the movies and other stuff, we're a bunch of nerds here so that excitement probably won't change. As a heads up, when the Marvel United X-Men stuff comes in, that's going to be a whole week of Tom's videos, haha.

[@darrenkisgen3148]

No Iron-Man, Captain America, Hulk, Peter Parker Spider-Man, or Hawkeye. Disappointing and strange.

[@TheRedWaltz24]

I agree. The character selection is the only thing making me question whether I would want to get this. I stopped watching the MCU after End Game, but by the character selection it looks like Marvel made them use characters they are trying to heavily push in phases 4 and beyond. Hopefully season 2 of this will have more popular characters, but I expect to see characters like Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk... etc..

[@StriderZessei]

They clearly picked characters who have abilities that would translate well into the game. How many different abilities could Cap or Hulk have that would be true to the character and still be unique from a gameplay perspective?

[@benoitrenaud158]

I must have missed something as I can’t see how anyone could rank Dice Throne higher than 6/10. It’s a 4 for me. I don’t get it, at all. I’m not mad, just confused. To me it felt like an over complicated boring King of Tokyo, with even less decision making. It does look gorgeous, but that’s it. Must be me, so many gamers seem to absolutely love it.

[@joelface]

Less decision making than King of Tokyo? Hah.

[@FreeRangeDice]

The Marvel characters selected are underwhelming. It seems like the designers played it too safe and wanted the MCU appeal rather than going for a unique experience. Tired of playing the same characters in every other game that comes out. Love Dice Thrones and love Marvel; hate this implementation. Seems like a cash grab more than an attempt at a fresh experience. Will be a hard pass for me.

[@joelface]

Classic Marvel fanboy complaint, though... there are just as many Marvel fanboys saying "Why didn't they pick more common characters! These are all C-listers no one has heard of before!" But, truth is, you just wish they had more of YOUR favourite heroes. Doesn't apply to everyone else. Just you.

[@MikeDV34]

Please throw away the term “min-max”. UGH!

[@nightwishpower]

The fact that they went with marvel franchise disgust me…

[@The7thCynic]

I skipped on this because of the character choices. Only Thor v Loki (the only villain?) stand out, the rest are B/C listers. Easy pass.

[@Dragonrstorm]

LOL every single one of these characters have their own media

[@synnical77]

You have an odd interpretation of what a B/C lister is. Each character is highly recognizable to the general nerd public and has either headed or been prominently featured in major movie (and tv) productions.

[@The7thCynic]

@@synnical77 ​ ​ @D2K Most of these characters struggled to have their own comic book. And when considering recognition, Thor may be the only one in the top ten (and likely the lowest), which means the other more well known Marvel characters are squandered by not being included.

[@synnical77]

@@The7thCynic The vast majority of people purchasing licensed products like these probably only know of these characters from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The standings of these characters in the comic books is completely secondary and coincidental.

[@thedicetower]

Not to mention that I DO know comic books, and all of these characters (especially Strange, Scarlet Witch and Miles!) are pretty big these days. That's insane to call them B/C listers.