How Hans Niemann BROKE Chess

[@thefranChise1]

I just realized I didn’t say “Itesodadae”

[@tyrantishrl]

:(

[@xxx333mmm]

wtf ritard

[@tferuh]

Your video lacks "objectivity". Every GM in the world, can explain his thinking process and give you a few "variations" of a specific position.

[@timopint1125]

change the titel....everyone expected a comp different video...

[@TrggrWarning]

What is chess?

[@paularized1]

“I am not a data scientist” is the most perfect title for a section that I’ve ever heard.

[@TechGamesAU]

We need people to play 100% over the board, naked, and having cavity search

[@momatotsosrorudodi]

Alternatively play OTB, clothed and unmolested, but inside a sound and light isolated faraday cage.

[@BestPrezz]

@@momatotsosrorudodi boring

[@patdeen3960]

What I he's got one of those spy teeth?

[@buster2134]

We need to install neurochips to make sure they aren't cheating with their mind

[@eget4144]

Maybe strong jammers can be used too.

[@brandonsmith666]

hans cheated…i was the one who sent the signals to his beads

[@martinkrauser4029]

It's true I was the bead

[@foleyhuck2344]

Its true I was his anus

[@ecoconatus8089]

Trust him, he's right

[@edithor9493]

Liar! I didn' witnessed anything abnormal, everyone deserves to raise their vibration (I was the left one)

[@HugoStiglitz88]

He did cheat though lol this isn't a joke man.

[@gravityskeptic8697]

Your storyline is next level!

[@David-es4pi]

Definitely the best video I’ve seen on this topic. I remember being somewhat bothered/confused by the confidence in which people were saying that Hans cheated- there was never any direct evidence, and Hans has take a massive reputational hit as a result. I’m rooting for him

[@huk2617]

There was direct evidence - that being that he himself admitted to cheating on multiple occasions.

[@mutdd3954]

@@huk2617 obviously that's not evidence for him cheating now or in 2022

[@dimitrifake53]

​@huk2617 If someone said they drank a lot but then sobered up, you would accuse them if being drunk now?

[@ralphwiggum3463]

@@dimitrifake53 if their behaviors continued to show suspicion they where on some kind of substance, then yes.

[@wungle7524]

@@dimitrifake53 if someone has a history of drinking and they lied about the severity of the drinking, would you assume they still drink or that they're completely sober? Either way, as assumption. There's a saying, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Have no idea why YT recommended this to me but it was great.

[@bakters]

I do have an idea why. Unfortunately, no relevant soccer analogy comes to mind, so that's all I can tell you.

[@Bettercraz]

Yup same

[@bakters]

@@juliuscaesar8163 Yeah, that's interesting stuff. Anyway, my qrd: Nieman *is* a cheater, nobody so far can prove it to him. A guy like Randi would easily challenge him, but unfortunately, he passed away some years ago. Well, there are other magicians with equal skill. However, they don't seem to care as much.

[@Onts123]

​@@baktersI think Podolski said this once (maybe I'm wrong and it was somebody else): "Soccer is like chess, albeit without dices."

[@Horneycorn]

Same. And I don’t even play chess..😅

[@greedsin555]

As a statistician I hate the internet and everyone here

[@Pootie_Tang]

overall, in my experience of dealing with chess players, they are usually not very smart or decent people at all away from a chess board, and the better the player - the more it is obvious. Not the absolute universal rule, of course, but the tendency is there. To not freak out the statistician in you - those are mine anecdotal encounters, of course =) But gladly, the most vocal part of people (like here in comments) is not a correct representation of the overall average opinion

[@ExplodingSkull-n5y]

as someone whose only knowledge in stastics is elementary, you are stastically wrong about hating everyone

[@greedsin555]

@@ExplodingSkull-n5y You underestimate my power

[@brzt4256]

@@greedsin555 as a statistician, that made me chuckle.

[@prince5922]

@@Pootie_Tang You are an idiot if you think you can make that statement based on your own personal experience in it means anything else other than "your experience", which is also highly dependant on you who you are and what you perceive to be smart or decent. You could very well be a rude and arrogant person yourself.

[@Dr.Pepper001]

I was the checker champion of my 3rd grade class.

[@yourfreewindows10upgradeis8]

I was the 2nd at the same tournament

[@jeremyg8286]

Cheater. You have a morse code pencil in your shoe or what? Tell us how you did it!

[@GaryMillyz]

Admit it- you just played checkers as an excuse for the anal beads

[@crazychicken8290]

@@jeremyg8286 the checkers speak for itself

[@anitashukla9475]

​@@crazychicken8290😂😂

[@marusero25]

Like the worst part about this drama is that even if Hans is legit and ultimately ends up growing as a chess player and gain the world champion title(although unlikely) this would only spark more paranoia among the chess community. No one would believe the integrity of the game moving forward.

[@chancemoore1515]

Not really because if Hans does that then its just confirmed he never cheated over the board

[@ErlangShenlo]

how could hans cheat?

[@Taiwan-zt4xl]

Chess community? More like redditors and those that follow Hikaru Cry Nakamura.

[@ErlangShenlo]

@@marusero25 hans is only 21, he still hasnt reached his prime

[@user-is3yn7xr4c]

​@@Taiwan-zt4xl Magnus Carlsen is the one who started the reputation destruction catered to the religious Chess players

[@malinkifox2011]

Bro you look 12 and 39 at the same time

[@shubhamvishwakarma317]

Broooo 😂😂😂

[@steelgames1385]

R/rareburns

[@Sockren]

i do not understand this insult at all bro this is like the 5th default highschool kid avatar you see

[@Hathathn]

What frustrates me about videos like this is while the OP is being critical of all these people being so "obviously illogical", like 1 second later they will say things like "this rules out cheating" because the player didn't play only top engine moves. This mistake is made repeatedly by all sorts of defenders, the idea that a cheater must cheat constantly, when everyone knows the smart way to cheat would be to use the engine sparingly, in critical positions, and inconsistently. "obviously".

[@Vision-fm8tc]

To me it’s obvious he’s cheating, he cheats to go against better players. Why? He wouldn’t be good enough to beat them without cheating anyways evidence num 1. He also scored 0 points and then out of the blue beat the best player in the world? Come on now, that is quite literally impossible 😂

[@CarnyToddler]

@@Vision-fm8tc "Come on now, that is quite literally impossible" You're stating it's impossible to have a loss streak? That is a common story in all sports, at all levels. It's not that hard to believe that he was highly motivated after an embarrassing run. That Magnus can't be defeated by someone that is having a losing streak just isn't backed up by statistics, or logic. Your statement is an example of hubris.

[@darioalves464]

Pretty much this. An entire video of "no evidence" except, yk, for the fact that Hans has admitted to cheating in the past. One of my favorite stupid arguments in the video is the one where Hans had this amazing improvement because he "played a lot" while other guys where not playing as much, forgetting completely about how burnout, tiredness from otb classical, excessive traveling and jetlag can affect the performances and improvements of players who play a lot. Its not just the fact that he "played a lot" its also the fact that he suffered from none of these drawbacks until recently. I also love how he completely disregards specialists pointing to how Hans is cheating, but talks about all the specialists pointing to how he is not as if those were all matter of fact. As if specialists in an area are always good, or in agreements about some result. Not to mention all the "no conclusive evidence". Like, unless Hans ever comes out specifically saying he had a plug up his fun hole, there is never going to be conclusive evidence. There is just way to many pointers to the fact that he cheated.

[@taxatollah]

@@Vision-fm8tc Absurd. There is no credible evidence that he has cheated over-the-board other than the fact that he had cheated online prior to August 2020. Furthermore, cheating in a round robin, invitational tournament would be so difficult and so risky that it would be insane to attempt it.

[@ashiok]

@@darioalves464 You see how cynical your logic is though? Because someone cheated in the past, you judge them as permanently guilty, incapable of exoneration or actual improvement. You are essentially casting a branding iron onto someone and then chiding them for it.

[@tatbaz1]

Hans interview at Sinqfield didnt do him any favours. He said he cheated online only in unrated games so he could get his rating up to play stronger players. Wtf. He also lied about the number of times he cheated which turned out to be a lot more than he admitted too. When you have a track record of cheating and lying its not surprising that a lot of people wont trust you again.

[@jr6200]

Just because he cheated so much doesn't mean he might be cheating . . . I mean uih

[@declaredjeans7555]

​@@jr6200That's true, but after cheating and lying to the extent he has, it's no surprise people don't trust him. He can't expect people to just forget that he has admitted to cheating.

[@QuinnBeckley]

adding on to this, taking past events into account can help predict future events (inductive reasoning) but saying "he cheated before therefore he's cheating now" is a fallacy that i think too many people fell into. it's not about whether you trust him to not cheat it's about whether he actually cheated. and as more evidence came out (mostly the stuff in this video) it became more apparent that the entire chess world jumped the gun on this. the definitive answer wasn't about the trust of top gm's

[@xxxpyrosxxx]

​@@jr6200 if your partner admits to have cheated in the past, it does not mean they are cheating right now... However, it means they have it in them to cheat. Some people do not do it by principle. Others will do it, because they are put into a situation where they feel like they need or want to. This is how i see it. I would never date a person who cheated, just because i am aware they have the capacity to cheat instead of talking to me. I would not want to play against a person like that as well. Just because you can never be sure, and, at your lowpoints it will fk with your head.

[@Cilent__]

​@@xxxpyrosxxxDoesn't that also mean that they'll also actually be honest and tell you they cheated? You can't take the "they cheated, so they can do it again" part and leave out "when they cheated they admitted it". Meaning there would be no need for accusations or speculation because they'll say they did it.

[@itskalstor9076]

I like the part where Hans Niemann says “It’s Esaming Time”

[@XpVersusVista]

the Niemann speaks for himself

[@robbyg2490]

wtf are you on about

[@Bettercraz]

Timestamp??

[@zoidberg945]

@@Bettercraz 54:51

[@joshuapatrick682]

from an outside perspective all this did was make the "Inner circle" of Chess look like a bunch of whiny bitches.

[@MogauLephaka]

U are the whiny…..

[@57Folhinha]

​@@MogauLephakawhat is he whining about

[@emperorzurg2991]

And now Hans is not being invited to prominent tournaments and the open ones he has been playing should be easier for him to cheat and not get caught he's been losing rating points. Makes you wonder who the real cheaters are

[@TheSubpremeState]

​@@emperorzurg2991Hikaru strikes me as a narcissistic liar. Not sure about hans. He could be psychic

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

​@@57Folhinhahe is whining about the fact someone got called out for cheating and got caught .... Chess is supposed to be a gentleman's game, not a place for cheating, albeit, there will always be cheaters, it isn't generally done in chess....

[@GrantHoffman123456]

This was an excellent video on cheating. I have been involved in investigation allegations of cheating in the Backgammon world. You have to be so careful and remember that you are dealing with a persons reputation. When you say a person cheated, you should have to say how they cheated, not just, that you have a feeling. Maybe a feeling is enough to start an investigation but it should be a private investigation.

[@chucklebutt4470]

I didn't know Backgammon was played seriously enough to warrant such an investigation! That's pretty interesting!

[@Pootie_Tang]

This

[@rosalind1635]

How the fork you cheat in backgammon?

[@topsecurity4122]

"Chess speaks for itself" -famous last words

[@mutedmutiny9542]

By that logic, when you beat the best player and lose to everyone else, then yeah it does speak for itself, it says you cheated.

[@MrAlexanderLang]

@@mutedmutiny9542 Best player in the world GAVE UP he didn't continue to play i'm sure Magnus would've wiped floors with him had he continued to play that match but for some reason he DIDN'T WANT TO, also he left the tournament calming cheating was the reason my 2 cents is that he for whatever reason didn't want to play that tournament and found an excuse, Hans won fair game but Magnus then turned around and said "well he must have cheated" i say that's bullshit just because your expectations and reality didn't match does not mean Hans cheated.

[@mutedmutiny9542]

@@MrAlexanderLang like I said it speaks for itself. So I guess he can only beat the best player in the world, not anyone else? Lmao doesn’t pass the smell test

[@Louisiana1975]

It was so pretentious & douchy...

[@rias.gremoryyy]

​@@mutedmutiny9542he defeated hikaru several times as well.. u don't get how these things work do u.. if you have a higher or lower Elo than someone that doesn't guarantee you a win in chess.. I've seen GMs lose to IMs.. does that mean that they were cheating? It's honestly beyond dumb to accuse someone of cheating just because he was too good.. you literally have no proof.. not a single hint as to how and why would he cheat.. Not a single player that gets above 2000 elo would ever cheat against the strongest player in the world and at the same time refuse to cheat against others.. magnus got mad that Hans humiliated him in the interview that day and that's why he pulled out

[@TheEpicRooster]

I didnt know Dream played chess.

[@Mike_Rottchburns]

LOL

[@timopint1125]

didnt know chess is played since cold war ended

[@joeeburg]

That's what the point of the mask is

[@ThunderChunky101]

Nobody is that ugly.

[@Albi9w]

Is this a reverse asian racism situation, where all white people look the same ?

[@edgarassalk2935]

in my opinion he won, there's no definitive proof that he cheated. just because he admited to cheating before is not proof, it actually takes guts to say if he's not cheating atm. they should inspect them before matches (thoroughly xD)

[@joeschmoe-q1d]

Ya I don't think he cheated but he messing himself up with his attitude he has and ego

[@edgarassalk2935]

@@joeschmoe-q1d still they need definitive proof. Imo they need to strip naked and take an x-ray before a match lol, only way to be sure.

[@blasphemicwhale]

what the f? absolutely not bro. for what reason would an innocent person have to claim they cheated when they didnt?

[@edgarassalk2935]

@@blasphemicwhale as i understand it's magnus that claimed the guy cheated, because he lost. And it seems everyone agrees. But i don't understand how, when there's no proof.

[@blasphemicwhale]

@@edgarassalk2935 Hans Niemann himself admitted in interviews to cheating

[@jedgrahek1426]

I find the arrogance of Carlson astounding, resigning and making this big accusation repeatedly, with his main "evidence" being that he didn't like how it felt to lose? Come on.

[@RobsMiscellania]

I honestly don't know how Carlsen hasn't faced sanctions for his actions. The Sinquefield Cup was a FIDE-rated event; the correct procedure is to voice one's concerns to the TD and then just play the games that were agreed to be played, or retire from the tournament. But one can't just publicly accuse another player of cheating without evidence. That violates the rule about not behaving in a way that brings chess into disrepute.

[@MrMarlowe3488]

the centipawn loss thing is so funny because it's basically the opposite of the "100% accuracy" argument. If hans plays with 100% accuracy he's cheating because no one can play with 100% accuracy, if hans has a high avg centipawn loss (ergo plays inaccurate moves) he must be cheating because he's not good at chess

[@dimitrifake53]

Or arguing he is a master at cheating and now that he must do some bad moves before doing MASTER moves.

[@23bcx]

Hikaru broke an NDA and then stokes the flames with misleading videos

[@TheWesterlyWarlock]

Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for Hikaru during all of this, and now seeing this video made me lose a lot more.

[@AR15andGOD]

Who cares about breaking NDAs. It's words on paper written by man, I'll violate it any day of the week.

[@Pepesmall]

An NDA to not reveal the names of cheaters? Lol.. the fact that he didn't admit to this before he was called out on it pretty much makes it obvious that he's a cheater. It's not enough to be honest, you must also appear to be honest. Anyone who says "my truth" flirts dangerously with the idea of "not the truth but my truth".

[@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution]

@@TheWesterlyWarlock As opposed to Hans who cheated and still seem like a dishonest person capable of cheating? Lets get some perspective here. Hikaru and Magnus has every reason and right to be upset and take this personal, for there is every indication that Hans has cheated more than he has admitted to, and is capable of doing it again. Before Hans I have hardly even heard any notion of people cheating in chess, I mean it would seem a silly thing to do if you have nothing to win by it. I understand Hikaru and Magnus's response even if it is not perfect, I still would take a wounded pride over a dishonest cheater pretending to be sorry while not caring any day!

[@Rotwold]

And Hikaru lied when he signed an NDA and later disclosed the information to help him attack another player. Talk about double standards, apparently it's ok to cheat legal agreements but not in chess😂

[@Max-hi7iv]

Hikaru is a hypocrite in nearly every drama he gets in.

[@Neoh53]

Yeah, KZbinr/Streamer doing drama pay more than chess. Of course he would continue even by going hypocrite

[@Max-hi7iv]

@@Neoh53 especially in the long interview with hikaru I realized he‘s still bitter about being worse than magnus

[@Albi9w]

I don't think it's just for the money. I thinks he's genuinely a little piece of biological waste

[@tacochub4353]

Definitely agree; he seems to have a lot of confirmation bias and only looks for evidence to support his opinion. This undermines the credibility of his findings.

[@aoh4905]

Ur low iQ is showing ​@@Max-hi7iv

[@new_telluhh]

I love how you’re branching out into covering other topics instead of just the smash and commentary community! Great video man🧡

[@masoncallender7403]

The Phoenix Wright music for the lawsuit is out of control.

[@shadowmerchant]

GREAT ANALYSIS - Kudos, you have clearly put a lot of work into this! I’m a bit late to the game on your vid, but greatly appreciate it nonetheless!

[@aussiemen111]

sad man

[@divinecreation6]

🔪🗡 give me everything you have, now

[@slyker1114]

I like that you don’t fear to go after big KZbinrs just to say the right thing. Great video

[@Barackobama-uq2ly]

Lol why would he be?

[@nicholasmaniccia1005]

@@Barackobama-uq2ly Because all those tough chess nerds would literally jump him after a tournament. Violence in the professional chess community has always been swept under the rug. What do you think ACTUALLY happened to Bobby Fischer.

[@jsccs1]

​@@nicholasmaniccia1005That Karpov feller done had Spassky hold Bobby down an' gave him a fookin a big black bishop right in the biddy. Dont even get me started on what they did to Morphy.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Except he's wrong lol Neiman cheated. Get over it.

[@Pieguy223]

​@@HugoStiglitz88 ok schizo

[@Pavel-q1r8s]

Magnus and many other accusers act like MAGNUS JUST CAN'T LOSE. Why the hell is that? Is he GOD?

[@animefan7424]

Magnus has only accused Hans when he loses, he’s lost a bit of chess

[@Nightsmith_After_Dark]

@@animefan7424 its intresting because theirs such thing as hard counters where just some people counter another whole human being

[@TheTMKF]

The explanation of Hans' rapid rise as a result of playing more often and overshooting his ELO during Covid is an excellent point, and one that I haven't heard anywhere else and wouldn't have occurred to me. I watched the whole scandal unfold in real time, and it was kind of hilarious to me how unreasonable the entire chess community was. It all fell into very basic sports narratives of the golden boy and the bad boy. Just another moment when you realize that very smart, talented, and even reasonable people can fail to think critically, under the spell of their own biases.

[@D4n3l0]

Ma man you should have talked about mortality, and how a threat to an established beloved player that comes from a younger generation is an existential reminder that most of the people are intentionally blind to, which is the fact that everyone dies and nothing is eternal. Every single person next to magnusson is either profiting off of him or likes him as a good guy/friend, and would not want to accept a reality where he gets his ass whooped.

[@johnbreadon4370]

i feel so bad bc i used to just believe he cheated bc other ppl said so and he beat magnus and there was no actual evidence. I am now thinking way differently

[@chasepalumbo2929]

Great documentary man. And yeah, I didn’t like how Hikaru posed himself as an objective bystander when he clearly had some biases against Hans. It’s okay to have biases, but he wasn’t combating them, he was leaning into them

[@Exapico]

Commenting for the algorithm and because thefranChise is still in desperate need of assistance!

[@emanuelzbeda1420]

Sometimes it feels like the idea of innocent until proven guilty has died and I love your channel because you’re so excellent at putting the court of public opinion in check when it needs to be

[@Waris_07-z1i]

Hans is a fascinating player, he just doesn’t give a f about these big names and keeps on playing his game

[@joshuacoleman6245]

Really well done! Good presentation. Great video! This story needs to be shared.

[@hideyasumusha7211]

17:44 bro, stop using headphones.

[@nhalsey99]

Playing naked would solve so many problems (not to mention greatly increase interest in co-ed chess)

[@bojkashapirax6283]

Funny as this is, most, if not all standard chess tournaments, are co-ed. There are women-only tournaments as well, but standard tournaments are not barred in any way, save some small, local tournaments. The whole reason the women's division was created was to increase that specific demographics' interest in competitive chess. Women were barred from chess for quite some time, though.

[@iamaunicorn1232]

Tch! How hetero-normative of you. Obviously this would actually increase the amount of interludes for buttsecks.

[@thisbedazzledgirl]

Watching D. Gukesh win at 18, I suddenly am very interested in chess. 😂 Edit: watching videos about chess. Not playing. 😅

[@trainingfaustozampa8645]

This is sooooo well made, i had to leave a comment. I already knew part of the story, but this is so good that i had to watch the entire thing. Much deserved love from Italy....

[@alexanderustinov3508]

Your voice and your accent are pleasent to listen to. Well done for the documentary!

[@anotherelvis]

The chess website has data that shows that Hans was cheating online until he was 17, but at the same time we have 8 year old players in the World Rapid and Blitz chess championship. This is a weird situation. How much can you demand from a child.

[@tongpoo8985]

He won money through an online tournament in which he cheated. If he developed a system for cheating OTB that he could get away with, he would use it. Unless he massively matured in a couple years which obviously is not the case given the egomaniacal way he conducts himself. He constantly minimizes it and lies about the extent of his cheating in the past. You can hold him to basic ethical standards of competition despite being a "child" (at 17?) because the vast majority of other junior masters compete fairly.

[@milesedgeworth60]

Chess was an unexpected topic from this channel, but this is such a well researched and produced video. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Also appreciated the Ace Attorney and other Capcom OST. Good job and happy new year!

[@AutismusMaximus1]

Adding Signal Jammers to tournaments would solve the problem.

[@nikolastoumayan1145]

Honestly, this is one of the best youtube videos I’ve seen in a while. Great structure, and entertaining throughout all 54 minutes. Keep up the good work (even though this video is 8 months old😅)

[@martijnmoll]

Nice video man, well done !

[@hifce]

Thank you for your exceptional ability to provide truthful context and excellent stance for justice in the video. Continue doing the poetic work. Great job!

[@BasicallyGoblin]

20:00 it's so rich that Magnus and Hakita have insider knowledge that the largest online platform for their game allows cheating for the sake of profit, and have seemingly never protested this, even in Hans' case, but they will protest that person playing in an enviornment where it's significantly harder to cheat.

[@stealthy9156]

Hang on I know you aren't you the guy pinned in revcord for the Golden sun comment

[@BasicallyGoblin]

@@stealthy9156 how the fuck do you people keep finding me.

[@stealthy9156]

@@BasicallyGoblin someone has to remind you of the hand holding incident

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

​@@stealthy9156Give me context to this please 💀

[@stealthy9156]

@@Honest_Mids_Masher small super niche youtuber discord server stuff I'm just a stalker

[@mattsavage9960]

I don't think he cheated he just done something unexpected which has happened before in chess on kore than one occasion. Just because it was magnus carlson that lost. And magnus Carlson who started accusing him with no evidence. Then the wild anal head conspiracy theory hit and everyone magically agreed with no evidence yet again. No its tue simple answer that magnus just lost that day to an unexpected series of moves that presented themselves. As has happened in the past. Lastly Magnus was not looking at his absolute best at the time anyway. He is a sore loser though when he doesn't get his own way on a chessboard for a change. Nobody is perfect all the time

[@DannyRoy09]

Chess players are so fragile, Jesus.

[@farn1991]

@@DannyRoy09 On the verge of Narcissus. Some play it to stroke their ego instead of fun.

[@MrAlexanderLang]

Try explaining that to the emotional children that sniff Magnus farts like it's no tomorrow.

[@QwertyPolikuj]

@EnriqueGil hello

[@huk2617]

You can't even spell his name right so you might not be qualified to talk on the topic

[@zacharyjordan399]

This video was fascinating and I felt that you made a solid effort to fairly represent both sides. Really interesting, thanks for this!

[@arthurdepina]

This is the best video on the topic and I'm so glad that I can now redirect my non-chess-nerd friends here instead of explaining the whole thing.

[@doroteastojsic9426]

Amazing. Keep it up. ❤

[@DustyCrop]

on baby this is the best video on this subject

[@DustyCrop]

#999 like

[@HelsenbergFan]

yo i felt the exact same way about literally all of this its so nice to see that someone else is talking about this bro im PRAYING your video goes viral its so fked up what the chess world did to hans and hikarus hypocrisy

[@AlessandroMazzotta]

Amazing video man

[@AmazingDentist]

Your story-telling is impeccable. Thanks!

[@jarrahtree5130]

Hans cheated. Trust me; i was the beads

[@DwightEisenhower34]

What's the smell like?

[@laurencechien]

Hans said “chess speaks for itself” before going to the bathroom to clean up the mess from the beads that caused and accident in his pants

[@Alex-qn2xb]

Underrated comment 😂😂😂

[@stickemuppunkitsthefunlovi4733]

I beat my dad with black when i was 5. Thats the greatest chess upset of all time.

[@brianjaramillo5126]

enjoyable video, appreciate the diligence

[@karlkastor]

I followed this at the time and this is the most balanced video I have seen, well done

[@poeticalvision]

There was literally no evidence he cheated against Magnus. Magnus got his ego hurt and he dropped out of the tournament.

[@cooltwittertag]

Which magnus has never done before. Clearly there's something off here. Magnus isnt the kind of person to drop out if he loses, or show much emotion at all.

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

Him being suspecious was reasonable

[@owiowiowi]

Bro, he moved god level precision no one has ever done at the late game. Trust me bro, he is cheating.

[@romanemperor7]

Keep telling yourself that. He cheated once he will cheat again. Also the man is literally insane. Insulting everyone left and right and lying so obviously.

[@cemozdemir6082]

Before this game. Magnus hadnt lost with the white pieces in classical for 5 years. And hadnt lost any game to a player rated lower than 2700 for 10 years and hans was like 2660 at the time. So this is literally an absurd anomally.

[@Livvvid]

I'm a casual chess viewer and this whole thing made me stop watching Hikaru. That dude is ALWAYS on the wrong side of opinions and drama.

[@Cawe]

Great work and research in this video

[@craftykev]

Congratulations on a skeptical and interesting analysis that keeps you gripped for nearly an hour. A cut above other KZbinrs.

[@mylittleelectron6606]

Excellent writing and narration...a thoroughly engaging video. I am now subscribed and looking forward to viewing your other work. I'm certian you'll be over 100,000 subs very soon.

[@charlesruteal9062]

11:02 LTG reference never fails to brighten my day (though the lightning bolt might have something to do with it).

[@Zzz-j2f]

Lmao glad I’m not the only one that thought that.

[@skyzong]

Absolute banger.

[@aaronlok5936]

Professional glazer Hikaru

[@CaptainBeebi]

35:36 _"I know what Kramnik is trying to do because I did the exact same thing to Hans Niemann like a year and a half ago!"_

[@ArranVid]

By the way, you seem like a nice person and your logo is cool. I like your editing and your channel is badass 🙂.

[@icedtea7058]

so I have watched this video twice before being recommended it for the third time by youtube . As a chess player ( better than some , worst than some) , The consensus of the chess community is a bit in the middle . He probably didnt cheat against magnus but he definitely cheated more than twice and arguably in a prize money event . For people who think that the chess community is freaking out over a single loss from magnus and believe magnus too much , this is all because Carlsen is known for acknowledging the strength of his opponent and he is literally one of the best player in the history of chess. he is in the GOAT conversations in chess . He may have some bad manners and has thrown some fits over the board but he rarely display actions that he did especially after he became world champion.

[@mutdd3954]

the consensus of anyone who has a brain is that hans cheated in online games at 2 different ages when he was younger and that there is no evidence for him cheating in OTB or online since then. It's as simple as that

[@armand9120]

​@@mutdd3954 The only thing that can be reasonably contested at this point is the extent of his online cheating in the past. But these ppl will latch onto anything that indicates guilt and ignore everything that indicates innocence like FIDE's investigation: "The matter was addressed by FIDE, first by an Investigatory Panel of the Fair Play Commission (FPL). They concluded that there was no evidence of cheating by GM Niemann at the 2022 Sinquefield Cup and other over-the-board tournaments played by GM Niemann over the preceding three years. The FPL therefore concluded that GM Carlsen’s accusations against GM Niemann were unfounded as far as they concern over-the-board chess."

[@samthebagman4643]

YOOOO, I didnt think I would be featured as a member (I forgot I was a member lmao) Good vid bro, keep up the amazing work, and I pray that your editing software stops messing up all the time, I really hate to see it

[@graysong828]

The interview where he analyses his game is far more damning than this video gives it credit for. There’s no excuse for not being able to give variations and being straight up wrong on key moves

[@user-ip1ow7hf8c]

It's pretty common for people that rely on instinct and intuition for their games. Sometimes we do things subconsciously.

@@user-ip1ow7hf8c That's true but it doesn't mean that you can't understand the variations, especially on that level.

[@searsino]

People using that interview as proof of foul play is ridiculous. Hans had just achieved an enormous milestone in his chess career (one that most pros can only dream of). He was dragged infront of the entire chess world just moments after having defeating the greatest player to ever play the game where a very messy and illogical analysis was offered up. All of this while Hans was barely 20 and had only recently started to receive more attention from the chessworld. To ignore or dismiss any of the context around that situation is incredibly uncharitable and likely hypocritical (I would be willing to bet a lot of people might also come across the way he did if placed in a similar situation).

@@searsino but that's not true. He made the analysis messy and illogical, and it doesn't matter if he was barely 20. He could've been 12 or 85, if he can play on that level, he can understand the variations. It's pretty obvious to me. Having a weird reaction when you're in front of the camera is understandable, but this is only one of the many suspicious things. If you put all these together, you will see the picture. There's no proof, but it's still pretty obvious. It's like when you meet someone and there are many red flags. Some people see them, some people don't.

[@urmomma2688]

If one piece of evidence has zero value on its own, it has zero value when added to others. 0+0.... is still 0. Also, you are basically saying "He is a cheater because of vibes". You would not want a justice system based on vibes. Until there is evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, innocence is the default

[@gobbyboyrahh]

Genuinely amazing report on the topic! Thank you for giving an actual non-biased, conscious approach to it. Its so easy to jump to conclusions, but sometimes the outcome isnt what it first appears. Also great analysis about how data misrepresentation can change the outcome entirely. You can control raw data by choosing to present it in a way that suits your narrative. Not enough people question it tbh

[@evildracko]

I love the part when Carl said "ban jisu"

[@hyui5096]

Hans improved more because he played more. That simply isn't true. With Chess or any other professional games. Most of the time spent improving in chess or any board or video game is spent analyzing the game and their mistakes. That doesn't mean he must have cheated but the idea that more games = better performance at a professional level is just untrue. Most professional players do spend most of their time on their profession. That is true for almost all games/sports.

[@searsino]

I think the reason for bring up the quantity of games was moreso to demonstrate how much time Hans was devoting to the game. Obviously brute-forcing games does not directly correlate to improvement. However it is well documented that pros utilize coaches, chess theory/history lectures, and even an efficient post-game analysis (you can see this in action through streaming... Hikaru, Magnus, Hans and many other pros offer consistant live commentary and analysis during and after most games).

[@wren4077]

you misunderstood the point if you think the quantity of game was being referred to as solely the quantity of games. It was to show how how much time Hans spent on the game.

[@oritemeit8815]

Playing more = seeing your mistakes more and learn for the future. Use your brain.

[@ArranVid]

@@oritemeit8815 Exactly

[@BSland]

Let's just say how it is Magnus couldn't handle a loss.

[@Rapidchess950]

Hans dumbman cheater

[@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution]

Magnus has lost many times and has lost to Hikaru, Prag, Alireza, Anand, Caruana and Nepo and yes he hated loosing these games, of cause he does otherwise he would not be a winner. But that is not the point. The point is that he has a reason to believe Hans has and will cheat. He does not have a reason to believe Hikaru, Prag, Alireza, Anand, Caruana and Nepo has and will cheat. That is what makes the big difference here.

[@edmund1737]

@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution nope. the real reason is that he looks down on hans. At the time he lost, hans was just under 2700. The fact is magnus was just being a sore loser.

[@mjkrh]

​@@edmund1737 Losing to a known cheater.

[@Taiwan-zt4xl]

@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution You said it yourself, one thing is losing against Prag, another thing is losing against Niemann. Magnus got butthurted, that's it. Anyone defending Magnus here is an idiot. No one has PROOF Niemann cheated therefore it would be dumb to believe in that. You dont throw people in jail cause you feel they did something bad.

[@Lixangel27]

The best video on this topic BY FAR ! Incredible work

[@emperorsascharoni9577]

Wow this is a great coverage

[@johnnsantos1912]

This was an amazing produced video. Not into chess that much but watched it from start to finish

[@corbin_zip]

thank you. this is a phenomenal video that was very clearly well-researched.

[@Jack-oi8gn]

You are joking, right? This was a terrible analysis that does an awful job at trying to clear hans neimann's name. Just one example: he talks about a data scientist showing(with proof!) an obvious and clear correlation between two metrics (ACPL and ELO). Then says the logic is wrong because there can't be any correlation due to ACPL metric is not very trustworthy in his own little mind. He acts like he disproved an analysis and goes on to the next section in the video, while the point he is trying to make has no sense because the correlation IS THERE and already shown.

[@armand9120]

​@@Jack-oi8gn Maybe try to be fair and steelman what's being said before writing it off as nonsense

[@goobensteen]

damn they did hans dirty

[@tongpoo8985]

He did himself dirty. There is no direct evidence of him cheating in that OTB game but there is loads of circumstantial evidence. and his reputation and record of lying about the extent of his cheating in the past makes it difficult to trust anything he says.

[@Jivvi]

31:41 That is in fact how you spell baloney (the "that's not true" meaning, not the meat). The meat is spelt Bologna in Italian and boloney in English, although some Americans inexplicably read the Italian word with the English pronunciation. That video title is a pun, based on the fact that "baloney" and "boloney" are pronounced the same. But "Bologna" isn't pronounced like that, so the pun wouldn't work if he'd used that spelling.

[@hahaha-kc4zz]

3:44 why didn't u highlight Ding Liren when you said "featuring some of the top players in the world"???

[@deadpoetz7]

Niemann had a Jeremy Lynn moment and the chess world did not like it

[@jc1940]

Well done Niemann

[@nightshift27]

More in the chess community need to see this.

[@vintifada7115]

This is very thorough. Thank you

[@BLiTZzM]

As a person who is as far from chess world as you can be I loved every moment of you cutting thorugh the BS "evidence"! Keep it up, remain sure and remain true.

[@erictafoya11]

I believe anything franCHISE tells me

[@Katanski]

Even a broken watch show's the correct time twice a day.

[@laartwork]

Yes he is a grandmaster she Magnus played poorly. It was bound to happen. It's just that Hans is a great villian.

[@zZz-uq2vr]

And that same broken clock went from 90th to 39th ranked chess player in the world in the last 16 months, maybe that broken clock shows the time at all times of the day correctly ;) that's a go fuck yourself buddy

[@ImaTurninToABug]

Is there a particular reason you cite the music you used but not the clips used from other creators' videos? Who is talking at 00:09? I know I've heard that voice and watched that video somewhere and I can't remember where, but you didn't feel the need to put the info on the screen or in the description.

[@jacobpeters5458]

yeah cuz we dont need a citation for every 0.5 seconds cuz u need to know whose voice is somewhere; and it's pretty obvious who it is and I've only seen like 3 of his videos (YT name starts with a "p" ends with a number)

[@walnoemispoyt5604]

I assume he cites the music to avoid copyright strikes when it comes to using music. KZbin can take down videos if the video infringes on the owner of the music. These music pieces come from the famous Phoenix wright series.

[@MrAgmoore]

penguinz0 (penguin zero)

[@arilawrence5853]

I know absolutely nothing about chess, but damn this shit is insane

[@teazaddy]

21:00 "the first serious piece of information, to support the allegations" *bars* 😂

[@TheOneRedlight]

People who are truly sorry don't wait until they are confronted with what they did wrong to apologies. That's just apologizing because you were caught.

[@user-ip1ow7hf8c]

Who tf would apologise if they didn't get caught? You can still be sorry, but you wouldn't ever bring it to attention unless you had to.

[@1999_reborn]

Only 7 minutes in but you’ve earned a sub. I love the way you structure your videos.

[@hamzaoulmouden3411]

It was clearly a witch hunt, the crazy thing about it is that it was done by the 2 most influential figures in the sport, so these accusations were believed by default. As for Hans cheking a game that contained the same opening, if you know you're opponent's tendencies when making decision, it could really help you narrow the search field and despite it still being extremely unlikely, I could digest it as being a lucky hit...

[@animefan7424]

Magnus will play almost anything

[@armynyus9123]

Crazy good. Really well done; Especially loved to hear Hikaru reacting on cheating allegations against himself, at 36:00.

[@strategystuff5080]

53:50 No, because he cheated between the ages of 14 and 17(18). Its dumb choices coming back to bite him. Should he be accused without evidence? no. Did he do himself any favours by being a liar and cheater? also no. They should have just banned him when he was actually cheating. and keep him from entering any online tournaments. its called consequences of your actions. does it suck? yeah. does it suck to be cheated? yeah. does the punishment fit the crime? yeah. Don't cheat in anything ever. and then it can never come to bite you. he did the right thing by suing to avoid getting dog-piled over basically stuff in the past. but that is because he wasn't really punished meaningfully back then.