How Hans Niemann BROKE Chess

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Hans Niemann is an American chess grandmaster who in September of 2022, lit the chess world on fire by defeating grandmaster Magnus Carlsen, arguably the greatest chess player of all-time. His victory sparked the biggest scandal in chess history and sent the chess world down a rabbit hole they will never forget.
Chapters:
Start - 0:00
FTX Crypto Cup - 1:00
The Match that Broke Chess - 3:32
How to Cheat in Chess - 7:02
Building a Case - 10:13
A Criminal Record - 18:24
I am not a data scientist - 28:09
The Report - 36:27
Existential Threat - 48:07
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[@thefranChise1]

I just realized I didn’t say “Itesodadae”

[@tyrantishrl]

:(

[@xxx333mmm]

wtf ritard

[@tferuh]

Your video lacks "objectivity". Every GM in the world, can explain his thinking process and give you a few "variations" of a specific position.

[@timopint1125]

change the titel....everyone expected a comp different video...

[@TrggrWarning]

What is chess?

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Have no idea why YT recommended this to me but it was great.

[@bakters]

I do have an idea why. Unfortunately, no relevant soccer analogy comes to mind, so that's all I can tell you.

[@Bettercraz]

Yup same

[@bakters]

@@juliuscaesar8163 Yeah, that's interesting stuff. Anyway, my qrd: Nieman *is* a cheater, nobody so far can prove it to him. A guy like Randi would easily challenge him, but unfortunately, he passed away some years ago. Well, there are other magicians with equal skill. However, they don't seem to care as much.

[@Onts123]

​@@baktersI think Podolski said this once (maybe I'm wrong and it was somebody else): "Soccer is like chess, albeit without dices."

[@Horneycorn]

Same. And I don’t even play chess..😅

[@Dr.Pepper001]

I was the checker champion of my 3rd grade class.

[@yourfreewindows10upgradeis8]

I was the 2nd at the same tournament

[@jeremyg8286]

Cheater. You have a morse code pencil in your shoe or what? Tell us how you did it!

[@gsam3461]

Admit it- you just played checkers as an excuse for the anal beads

[@crazychicken8290]

@@jeremyg8286 the checkers speak for itself

[@anitashukla9475]

​@@crazychicken8290😂😂

[@greedsin555]

As a statistician I hate the internet and everyone here

[@Pootie_Tang]

overall, in my experience of dealing with chess players, they are usually not very smart or decent people at all away from a chess board, and the better the player - the more it is obvious. Not the absolute universal rule, of course, but the tendency is there. To not freak out the statistician in you - those are mine anecdotal encounters, of course =) But gladly, the most vocal part of people (like here in comments) is not a correct representation of the overall average opinion

[@topsecurity4122]

"Chess speaks for itself" -famous last words

[@mutedmutiny9542]

By that logic, when you beat the best player and lose to everyone else, then yeah it does speak for itself, it says you cheated.

[@MrAlexanderLang]

@@mutedmutiny9542 Best player in the world GAVE UP he didn't continue to play i'm sure Magnus would've wiped floors with him had he continued to play that match but for some reason he DIDN'T WANT TO, also he left the tournament calming cheating was the reason my 2 cents is that he for whatever reason didn't want to play that tournament and found an excuse, Hans won fair game but Magnus then turned around and said "well he must have cheated" i say that's bullshit just because your expectations and reality didn't match does not mean Hans cheated.

[@mutedmutiny9542]

@@MrAlexanderLang like I said it speaks for itself. So I guess he can only beat the best player in the world, not anyone else? Lmao doesn’t pass the smell test

[@Louisiana1975]

It was so pretentious & douchy...

[@somenerd7046]

That Botez clip really illustrates what the mindset was around this situation. He’s either the best or he cheated. And he can’t be the best bc Magnus is the best and he clearly cheated bc how could Magnus make a mistake. Like idk how this entire community just immediately snapped on this dude because their top player lost.

[@allancouceiro9255]

is it because Hans himself admitted to cheating in online games? Once a cheat, always a cheat.

[@chesneytube1]

Magnus loses all the time and no-one snaps. They snapped because behind the scenes he'd got a massive reputation for cheating.

[@allancouceiro9255]

@@chesneytube1 Hans has a reputation for cheating, because Hans even admitted to cheating. There is no mystery or conspiracy here.

[@chesneytube1]

@@allancouceiro9255yup

[@jdudbdjxb7687]

​@allancouceiro9255 But it's OTB? I agree that people should be suspicious, but the game people are worried about is the one where they have admitted there's little to no evidence of cheating. It seems more like a cope to me despite the cheating online

[@TheEpicRooster]

I didnt know Dream played chess.

[@Mike_Rottchburns]

LOL

[@timopint1125]

didnt know chess is played since cold war ended

[@joeeburg]

That's what the point of the mask is

[@ThunderChunky101]

Nobody is that ugly.

[@albw9]

Is this a reverse asian racism situation, where all white people look the same ?

[@GrantHoffman123456]

This was an excellent video on cheating. I have been involved in investigation allegations of cheating in the Backgammon world. You have to be so careful and remember that you are dealing with a persons reputation. When you say a person cheated, you should have to say how they cheated, not just, that you have a feeling. Maybe a feeling is enough to start an investigation but it should be a private investigation.

[@chucklebutt4470]

I didn't know Backgammon was played seriously enough to warrant such an investigation! That's pretty interesting!

[@Pootie_Tang]

This

[@wiard]

theres a difference between actual cheating and being accused for cheating....

[@xp1816]

What frustrates me about videos like this is while the OP is being critical of all these people being so "obviously illogical", like 1 second later they will say things like "this rules out cheating" because the player didn't play only top engine moves. This mistake is made repeatedly by all sorts of defenders, the idea that a cheater must cheat constantly, when everyone knows the smart way to cheat would be to use the engine sparingly, in critical positions, and inconsistently. "obviously".

[@Vision-fm8tc]

To me it’s obvious he’s cheating, he cheats to go against better players. Why? He wouldn’t be good enough to beat them without cheating anyways evidence num 1. He also scored 0 points and then out of the blue beat the best player in the world? Come on now, that is quite literally impossible 😂

[@CarnyToddler]

@@Vision-fm8tc "Come on now, that is quite literally impossible" You're stating it's impossible to have a loss streak? That is a common story in all sports, at all levels. It's not that hard to believe that he was highly motivated after an embarrassing run. That Magnus can't be defeated by someone that is having a losing streak just isn't backed up by statistics, or logic. Your statement is an example of hubris.

[@darioalves464]

Pretty much this. An entire video of "no evidence" except, yk, for the fact that Hans has admitted to cheating in the past. One of my favorite stupid arguments in the video is the one where Hans had this amazing improvement because he "played a lot" while other guys where not playing as much, forgetting completely about how burnout, tiredness from otb classical, excessive traveling and jetlag can affect the performances and improvements of players who play a lot. Its not just the fact that he "played a lot" its also the fact that he suffered from none of these drawbacks until recently. I also love how he completely disregards specialists pointing to how Hans is cheating, but talks about all the specialists pointing to how he is not as if those were all matter of fact. As if specialists in an area are always good, or in agreements about some result. Not to mention all the "no conclusive evidence". Like, unless Hans ever comes out specifically saying he had a plug up his fun hole, there is never going to be conclusive evidence. There is just way to many pointers to the fact that he cheated.

[@taxatollah]

@@Vision-fm8tc Absurd. There is no credible evidence that he has cheated over-the-board other than the fact that he had cheated online prior to August 2020. Furthermore, cheating in a round robin, invitational tournament would be so difficult and so risky that it would be insane to attempt it.

[@ashiok]

@@darioalves464 You see how cynical your logic is though? Because someone cheated in the past, you judge them as permanently guilty, incapable of exoneration or actual improvement. You are essentially casting a branding iron onto someone and then chiding them for it.

[@tatbaz1]

Hans interview at Sinqfield didnt do him any favours. He said he cheated online only in unrated games so he could get his rating up to play stronger players. Wtf. He also lied about the number of times he cheated which turned out to be a lot more than he admitted too. When you have a track record of cheating and lying its not surprising that a lot of people wont trust you again.

[@jr6200]

Just because he cheated so much doesn't mean he might be cheating . . . I mean uih

[@declaredjeans7555]

​@@jr6200That's true, but after cheating and lying to the extent he has, it's no surprise people don't trust him. He can't expect people to just forget that he has admitted to cheating.

[@QuinnBeckley]

adding on to this, taking past events into account can help predict future events (inductive reasoning) but saying "he cheated before therefore he's cheating now" is a fallacy that i think too many people fell into. it's not about whether you trust him to not cheat it's about whether he actually cheated. and as more evidence came out (mostly the stuff in this video) it became more apparent that the entire chess world jumped the gun on this. the definitive answer wasn't about the trust of top gm's

[@xxxpyrosxxx]

​@@jr6200 if your partner admits to have cheated in the past, it does not mean they are cheating right now... However, it means they have it in them to cheat. Some people do not do it by principle. Others will do it, because they are put into a situation where they feel like they need or want to. This is how i see it. I would never date a person who cheated, just because i am aware they have the capacity to cheat instead of talking to me. I would not want to play against a person like that as well. Just because you can never be sure, and, at your lowpoints it will fk with your head.

[@Cilent__]

​@@xxxpyrosxxxDoesn't that also mean that they'll also actually be honest and tell you they cheated? You can't take the "they cheated, so they can do it again" part and leave out "when they cheated they admitted it". Meaning there would be no need for accusations or speculation because they'll say they did it.

[@itskalstor9076]

I like the part where Hans Niemann says “It’s Esaming Time”

[@XpVersusVista]

the Niemann speaks for himself

[@robbyg2490]

wtf are you on about

[@Bettercraz]

Timestamp??

[@johnnsantos1912]

This was an amazing produced video. Not into chess that much but watched it from start to finish

[@corbin_zip]

thank you. this is a phenomenal video that was very clearly well-researched.

[@benmccormick4386]

Really an amazingly well done video. You have a true talent at this.

[@slyker1114]

I like that you don’t fear to go after big KZbinrs just to say the right thing. Great video

[@Barackobama-uq2ly]

Lol why would he be?

[@nicholasmaniccia1005]

@@Barackobama-uq2ly Because all those tough chess nerds would literally jump him after a tournament. Violence in the professional chess community has always been swept under the rug. What do you think ACTUALLY happened to Bobby Fischer.

[@jsccs1]

​@@nicholasmaniccia1005That Karpov feller done had Spassky hold Bobby down an' gave him a fookin a big black bishop right in the biddy. Dont even get me started on what they did to Morphy.

[@thomasdeblat4208]

I want to add on, the rapid elo climbing phenomenon during the pandemic applied to many up and coming players, not just Niemann. It has been a common complaint from top players about losing elo from people who were underrated due to the pandemic.

[@bonzo7345]

Never thought I would be so glued to a chess video, yet here I am You go a great job illustrating this!

[@Im_jordyn_bro]

I love how you’re branching out into covering other topics instead of just the smash and commentary community! Great video man🧡

[@the_primal_instinct]

This video perfectly illustrates how people put too much faith into models, math and stats. Just because a model exists and adheres to the rules of math and formal logic doesn't necessarily mean that it adequately or fully describes reality. This flawed use of the tool can be seen across many different domains of human activity.

[@diegofelipevillegasrubio8767]

There’s this great quote from Richard Feynman, that states that even if your theory makes mathematical or logical sense, if it doesn’t correlate with nature it is flat out wrong. I’m paraphrasing, but that’s what your comment reminds me of

[@user-ts8lw4bt8h]

Perfect video. I followed this closely and was shocked how everyone jumped the gun and believed everything everywhere. Ty!

[@Max-hi7iv]

Hikaru is a hypocrite in nearly every drama he gets in.

[@Neoh53]

Yeah, KZbinr/Streamer doing drama pay more than chess. Of course he would continue even by going hypocrite

[@Max-hi7iv]

@@Neoh53 especially in the long interview with hikaru I realized he‘s still bitter about being worse than magnus

[@albw9]

I don't think it's just for the money. I thinks he's genuinely a little piece of biological waste

[@tacochub4353]

Definitely agree; he seems to have a lot of confirmation bias and only looks for evidence to support his opinion. This undermines the credibility of his findings.

[@hymefly]

Cheating by deciphering anal beads vibrations is more of a feat than beating Magnus.

[@tacfox-jx2wc]

Thanks a lot for this video!

[@wayneprescott5648]

Huge amount of work in that well compiled video thank you! Subscribed.

[@johannesbjerkejannesson428]

Great video man! keep up the good work! We apreciate you and your passion 🙏

[@apurvpatani]

Great video! This is the first video I saw of yours and I was completely hooked! It was so damn interesting and considering this was a 1 hr video, I think it's quite an achievement to keep people hooked even for long format content (especially when reels are so popular and many people are losing their attention span), great work 💯

[@doroteastojsic9426]

Amazing. Keep it up. ❤

[@roqsteady5290]

Balanced and clear sighted analysis. Wish there more people like you on social media.

[@thobanindlovu1991]

This was such a good video great work. It's my first time here I hope to run into another one of your videos

[@jackychan6020]

Great video; you have a talent to present it logically and in a fun way, please keep up the good work!

[@JJ-Toreddie]

I don't think Hans cheated over the board. But once he cheated online he loses credibility and respect

[@rohanbarwal5033]

Bro he is human and human mades mistake 😊

[@timopint1125]

carlsen did the same online...nobody gives a shit anymore because the tools are used to practise...and the most GMS have cheat days online...

[@MyRealName]

So his OTB wins against Magnus which are legit are actually not legit because of his past? That does not compute.

[@harrymills2770]

@@rohanbarwal5033 He's a human who cheated in the past, and so people naturally don't trust him. "I changed" is not something people just take on faith. He lost all that by cheating.

[@patrikmojdis5262]

Oh yea let's hold him accountable for his whole life for a small mistake he did as a 16 years old. Sir you are just dumb.

[@AI-Wire]

Nice job. I really loved the detail at 16:55 when you synced up the "transposition" with the video interview. Excellent effort and detailed work. Very appreciated. Well done.

[@harrisonberg09]

Good job man. Great research and video essay.

[@Nicebreadandwood]

This was so well done! Thanks man

[@Alexander_Grant]

Your final statement is exactly how I felt watching this all go down in real time. How frustrating it must be to beat the best player in the world after spending countless hours improving yourself just to have him throw a childish temper tantrum and accuse you of cheating and bring the entire chess community down on you. Excellent video by the way, I have my degree in physics and did quite a bit of data science work in my undergrad years, and all the statistics proving Hans was cheating all felt really off to me, but I had no desire to break down why and you did an excellent job precisely describing why they were wrong even if you aren't a data scientist.

[@meathir4921]

As someone similar to you with a degree in physics, I balked at the 10 games stat BEFORE they revealed it relies on multiple engines.

[@CalebSmith-gg1dt]

You're dumb af. He couldn't even explain his moves and got beat in real-time in that sham of an interview. Truly brainless on your part

[@spenserphoenix]

He admitted he'd cheated before

[@jdudbdjxb7687]

​@@spenserphoenix WOW REALLY?

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

@@spenserphoenixDid he admit to cheating over the table? Or just online? And when? Chess nerds seem to love to hold people accountable for stuff they did years ago.

[@23bcx]

Hikaru broke an NDA and then stokes the flames with misleading videos

[@TheWesterlyWarlock]

Yeah, I lost a lot of respect for Hikaru during all of this, and now seeing this video made me lose a lot more.

[@ryanscott7095]

That was a great breakdown of the situation. I don't even play chess, but now I want to get into it

[@EMC273]

Very informative and researched video. Keep up with this good work, my king.

[@brandonsmith666]

hans cheated…i was the one who sent the signals to his beads

[@loeksnokes3658]

Well poked at Hikaru

[@stargirl8444]

This is such an excellent video from you - well researched, well thought out and encompassing them both sides and treating them fairly, all while being digestible. I mean really good job with this one!! I just feel so bad for Hans after watching this video, I wonder if he’s seen it

[@troyc7726]

your research is amazing man, subbed

[@milesedgeworth60]

Chess was an unexpected topic from this channel, but this is such a well researched and produced video. Thoroughly enjoyed this. Also appreciated the Ace Attorney and other Capcom OST. Good job and happy new year!

[@chasepalumbo2929]

Great documentary man. And yeah, I didn’t like how Hikaru posed himself as an objective bystander when he clearly had some biases against Hans. It’s okay to have biases, but he wasn’t combating them, he was leaning into them

[@knaz7468]

Really good video. Edge of the seat recap.

[@DZMegamind]

such a great put together video very thoughtful and I like the ending thankyou for putting this together you are going places my friend +1 subscriber keep the great content coming and I'll be taking along -cheers!

[@jaceface1173]

So, the future of integrity in chess may be fucked because the #1 guy has such an ego that he can't just say he got outplayed? Seems about right.

[@luckygozer]

If you were the #1 chess player in the world playing with white and you lost to someone rated a decent gap below you in skill level that you for a fact knew had a history of cheating how would you feel? It's possible the game was a fluke. Or and I hope this for Hans that he will turn out to also be a super gm in league with the top of the top. But would you not atleast question if foul play was at hand? Not to say I'm completely siding with Magnus's actions. But if he believes people with a history of cheating should not be allowed to compete it's atleast a pov i can understand. Where do you draw the line there is always going to be open for debate.

[@Tom_Het]

​@@luckygozer "it is possible the game was a fluke" Literally every resource we have shows that it was not a fluke, and Hans did not play an amazingly good game of chess. Magnus made some mistakes, that is all. Nothing abnormal from Hans whatsoever in that game. Of course I can empathize with Magnus not wanting Hans at the event, and he has every right to be uncomfortable playing against a known cheater, it can adversely affect people when they don't trust their opponent is playing fairly. So I can understand his feelings during and in the moment immediately after the game, but after he had some time to analyze the game and still couldn't admit he just got outplayed, that's childish. He also has every right to protest the choice to invite Hans. The ridiculous thing is that he didn't withdraw before the event, and instead he waited to see if he'd win the match first before deciding if he would protest it. The problems with inviting a known cheater are still present whether Magnus wins the game or not. Magnus just wanted to have it both ways. I can't relate there. So to answer the question, it wouldn't have happened to me because if I felt the way Magnus did, I would have protested outright and I wouldn't have been in the tournament.

[@luckygozer]

@@Tom_Het We are using a different meaning of the word fluke. If you put Hans and Magnus playing with white head to head over and over how many of those would Hans win? If you believe that to be rare then the game was a fluke. Hans played fine Magnus played poorly but that's a fluke. If you believe Hans would be able to more consistently take games of Magnus with white then it makes him one of the best of the best which is the other option I mentioned. Yes I'm with you as said I don't fully support Magnus actions either. As for not withdrawing before the event..eh. People's thoughts aren't necessarily black and white on these things. Have you never been in turmoil about something only to change your mind last minute or even afterwards regret the choice you made? It's not a great look no. You could also use that same logic to say it doesn't really matter if Hans cheated against Magnus or not. The problems with inviting a known cheater are still present. Also while the ''If I speak I'm in big trouble'' clip led us down the rabbit hole of oh Hans is a cheater and Magnus has made statements regarding Hans cheating much more and more recently than he admitted to. Has he directly stated he believed Hans cheated in the game against him?

[@cooloutac]

@luckygozer you sound like kramnik saying he's not accusing hikaru of cheating lol.

[@luckygozer]

@@Jk-qx7gm It's not my native language no but I'm not using a translator. I stand by my meaning of the word fluke as ''a rare chance occurrence''. But some of my expressions and word choices probably aren't natural no.

[@samthebagman4643]

YOOOO, I didnt think I would be featured as a member (I forgot I was a member lmao) Good vid bro, keep up the amazing work, and I pray that your editing software stops messing up all the time, I really hate to see it

[@jareddmenard]

Best video on the topic I've seen

[@notoverlyacerbic9574]

Great video on the subject! Well done sir.

[@maxlibertor]

Why tf haven't you blown up franchise this is probably THE MOST WELL MADE VIDEO on this topic, period. As someone from the smash community, you've always made such informative and HONEST videos about shit like this. I'm gonna keep watching you as long as you keep making videos unless you legitimately go crazy or something. Great video. MY FAVORITE BOXER WAS ON THE BEACH 😱😱😱😱😱

[@DKMRFCBrlz]

I can confirm this is the best video on the topic

[@urallnoobs8943]

How can ESAM be you favorite boxer if he doesn't go boxing ring 🤔🤔

[@bencheevers6693]

The idea that you missed in this, is that a 2500 player that can go the the engine 3 times a match can beat a super gm, they had this weird thing in some nordic country where 3 IMs play a mystery GM in a green suit or something like that but they get to use an engine 3 times in the match and they won and then the gm reveals himself, it's kind of silly and fun but just checking an engine or knowing the eval is absolutely huge even if only done once or twice at tough parts of the match when players go into big thinks. That centipawn thing could be valid because you could be playing worse moves usually and getting slowly beat out on the eval but then playing a deciding line immediately after.

[@Spobbles69420]

But that wouldn’t confirm their bias

[@JJ-Toreddie]

The green suit has been called turquoise by the vast majority of players below 2509

[@raviravi5342]

you are just not understanding. this is a well planned event, with metal detectors and all that. So, stay with the topic.

[@bencheevers6693]

@@raviravi5342 Go watch Mike Boyd's video on making 'that device' I'm not saying that's what Hans did but it's a legitimate possibility and that doesn't get picked up by a metal detector.

[@Spobbles69420]

@@raviravi5342 ah yes, metal detectors, because metal detectors have never been beaten.

[@Cawe]

Great work and research in this video

[@Hannemann237]

thanks for this trip into the chessworld :D

[@user-sh9ey5jd7d]

Really awesome video! I wanted to find out a detailed and balanced analysis of the Hans Niemann story and your video nails it! Not only it stands out from all the miss-informative, vague and outdated video on Niemann on KZbin, but also it is a really coherent and logical analysis. Please keep up this great work. I appreciate it a lot!

[@alielb2130]

New sub here...."This video speaks for itself" 😉

[@calic737]

really good intro, it sold me on watching the whole video

[@reismw]

What a great video, thans for creating it

[@Mahhhdeee]

Being a massive Magnus fan Magnus didn’t play his best that game… like at all, but what is weird is how he couldn’t analyze the match afterwards, the fact he did cheat a long time ago, and the rapid rise of improvement from his previous tournament score to the tournament he beat Magnus in

[@DaxperOfficial]

to say he cheated without evidence is dumb, this kid is smart AF and beats gm's regularly if you watch him live and just won a huge open tournament...

[@Mahhhdeee]

@@DaxperOfficial when I said “the fact that he did cheat” it was followed up with “a long time ago” there’s been multiple interviews where Hans himself said he did cheat twice when he was younger and wasn’t referring to the game with Magnus (nor am I). I’m referring to the moments where he said he did cheat lol

[@MertSu66]

@@DaxperOfficial there are a lot of convicted crimes with circumstantial evidence instead of a literal knife with blood and fingerprints

[@tonyng1600]

i kinda understand hans, i play poker online and review on GTOwizard afterward. some of moves i made at the time make me lot of money but reviewing it is actually bad move unless you are in the zone at that moment and knew it was the right move. even afterward when i revivew it, im like wtf, why did i do this, i dont remember doing this, this is insane.

[@johannbogason1662]

Brilliant presentation. tx

[@vyrus2]

This is excellent work man. You have always been incredibly talented at documentary style videos but this is next level.

[@Exapico]

Commenting for the algorithm and because thefranChise is still in desperate need of assistance!

[@peterf90]

Great video, you nailed it.

[@Slimeypattyburgur]

Dang im coming back to your channel and im seeing CHESS videos? thats kinda cool im ngl

[@FerGouvea]

Brasil mentioned 🗣🔥(not in a good way tho) lets gooooo

[@skyzong]

Absolute banger.

[@rwm1980]

Im not much of a chess fan but am impressed at your ability to put together this video, i can see you reching the stars in the future if you hone your craft.

[@DeneF]

I have never before enjoyed a really well made video of a subject I have not one clue about but you made it informative, educational, entertaining and understandable. Thanks very much. I really enjoyed it.

[@Pause0]

Honestly that whole drama destroyed my impression of both magnus and hikaru. To irresponsibly spread such baseless rumors and intentionally let them run amok (I doubt magnus seriously believed the beads were real) and tangibly damage the reputation and career of a young up and comer guilty of mistakes that many of their peers are is disgusting.

[@cooloutac]

I don't know man you ever see the way Magnus walks to the board always late? Him, alireza and Hans definitely walk like they have devices in there you know what. Hahahah. Maybe it takes one to know one. 🤔

[@andrewdinns1746]

Qg3, get a clue.

[@4kach24]

Agreed. That's why I never engaged with their content after this situation It seemed like such a bs to me

[@MrRagnarxx]

Hikaru in general is an insufferable twat and Magnus has a huge ego, it's unfortunately quite normal in top level chess. Used to be even worse back in the day

[@mattsavage9960]

I don't think he cheated he just done something unexpected which has happened before in chess on kore than one occasion. Just because it was magnus carlson that lost. And magnus Carlson who started accusing him with no evidence. Then the wild anal head conspiracy theory hit and everyone magically agreed with no evidence yet again. No its tue simple answer that magnus just lost that day to an unexpected series of moves that presented themselves. As has happened in the past. Lastly Magnus was not looking at his absolute best at the time anyway. He is a sore loser though when he doesn't get his own way on a chessboard for a change. Nobody is perfect all the time

[@user-kf6uq1cw6t]

Chess players are so fragile, Jesus.

[@farn1991]

@@user-kf6uq1cw6t On the verge of Narcissus. Some play it to stroke their ego instead of fun.

[@MrAlexanderLang]

Try explaining that to the emotional children that sniff Magnus farts like it's no tomorrow.

[@TheVoiceofTheProphetElizer]

I don't know why drama in subcultures is so fascinating to me but it is and I want to say that you have done an excellent job of covering so much of this at such great depth. The statistical flaws section was especially well done.

[@louper3002]

great doco, subbed!

[@charlesruteal9062]

11:02 LTG reference never fails to brighten my day (though the lightning bolt might have something to do with it).

[@user-to9lk8ix6h]

Lmao glad I’m not the only one that thought that.

[@daniellassander]

I followed the drama about Hans Nieman cheating and i came to the same conclusion you did. The different methods used to find if he was cheating or not never struck me as very credible, it looked a lot like you can reach whatever goal you want by breaking the data down a certain way. Its basically using statistics in a dishonest way. I can make a comparison with Tennis, it is possible to win more games then your opponent and still lose the match. Then you take that data to prove that he is cheating when he starts winning (if he does obviously). The centipawn loss was a really dumb theory on every single front, it showed that he was losing more centipawns then other players and that should prove that he was a bad player, but also that he was cheating. In conjunction that he plays very aggressive and often let pawns and pieces hanging when he thinks he can force the game to a win for himself and he does it so that his opponents will hopefully make a mistake and not see that he can maybe force a win if they spend their turn to take the piece, so often they take the piece which would lead to a higher centipawn loss but still a win for himself. I think it was very dishonest of Carlsen to accuse him of cheating without ever saying so, because it was clear that he thought he was cheating but he didnt want to say it, because if he didnt think he was cheating he could have stepped up and said so any time he wanted during the whole drama. He struck me as someone that doesnt dare to stand behind what he was saying himself in case of backlash or that he was wrong. Hikaru did a horrific job at actually doing any work, he was basically only reacting to what other people said without ever actually analyzing Hans game against Magnus, or even being fair minded to Hans in a lot of what he said. "no one analyses games like that if you are 2800 elo" or saying something of the like. While at the same time saying that Kasparov's immortal game was well analyzed by Kasparov who basically said "i have too much material on that side" which is not analyzing the game at all.

[@DamePesos]

What an amazing video! Good job!

[@alexbowe3411]

Love that you took the side of reason and data.

[@Disentropic1]

As a tournament player myself watching this video, what stands out to me is that you completely lack a reference point to understand why many players had the intuition Hans was suspicious. You aren't wrong that there's a problematic tendency to assume Magnus couldn't lose legitimately and constantly fluff him up beyond what's realistic (not to mention quid pro quo dynamics like where Magnus streams with Botez now and then and she talks shit about Hans), but there are also certain dynamics in a player's style of play that suggest they might be using an engine. You can't replace a chess player's experience with merely measuring centipawn accuracy. You also badly misrepresent the nature of the cheating allegations in this video. When you describe cheating in chess, you say it's like "playing god" and you control the outcome of the game entirely. This is false; chess is a game with some margin for error, therefore draws are by no means impossible for strong players to achieve even against strong engines. That may be less the case if those engines are configured specifically to find ways to unbalance the position and play for a win instead of simply choosing optimal moves, but doing so has several implications which might make cheating more conspicuous (e.g. playing on endlessly for hundreds of moves to extract an endgame error, or relying upon more easily detectable _sequences_ of computer moves instead of what was alleged). And most importantly, *the suggestion was that Hans cheated with only one or a few moves in each game.* A strategy like this makes cheating nearly undetectable and does not even vaguely approach your strawmanning of the accusations. If I had to bet, I don't think Hans ever cheated OTB at all. I accept that there is little concrete evidence for it and approve of the decision to treat him as innocent. However, I remain somewhat suspicious given how he played at certain critical junctures. I'm not talking about "quality" of moves, but more intangible characteristics about his ability to identify and make use of strange, seemingly unstable piece coordination patterns despite how rarely they appear in games) This indicates either unusual talent even among top players, simply a very unconventional playstyle, or engine play. Another important element you rightly touched on in this video is Hans' confidence. A lot of chess is psychological, and Hans' psychological willingness to accept and even perhaps expect that he'd beat Magnus seems like it could easily explain why he has an easier time of it than some of Magnus' steadier 'customers.' Hans' trainer's comments were also very useful, since they help build out the idea that Hans' anomalous play is partially attributable to a certain quirkiness of his approach to the game. Hans being so sanctimonious about it all _while lying_ during that interview by erasing the other times he had cheated online gave me the impression that he was very suspicious, and remains the worst strike against him. It is cause for concern even now. While I appreciate that you put work into understanding these events, given your ignorance about chess you should not be pronouncing any final judgement, nor signalling that people were wrong to be suspicious, as you're far from any reasonable standpoint to do this.

[@Disentropic1]

@@Scarmiglione379 Fall flat into the deep ravine!

[@NotQuiteFirst]

Good comment, especially the final paragraph. The thing I always found lacking in Hans's dealing with the whole situation is that (as far as I've ever seen) he's never taken a shred of responsibility for why people don't trust him and think of him as a cheater. If I were him, the first thing I would have done in that first interview would have been to say "yeah I get that it's my own fault that people don't trust me because of mistakes made in the past, and it's up to me to walk the long narrow road to earn trust" but all he's ever done is act outraged that anyone dares to be suspicious of him. The fact that he publicly admitted to the things everyone already knew about painted him into a corner, then when the Ccom report said he'd cheated more than he had publicly confessed to his only option is to say everything is a conspiracy against him and that they are making it all up. Lying about the extent of his cheating in the very statement supposedly confessing to his cheating is about the worst thing you can do to gain trust.

[@atuliyengar9638]

nah i ain't reading all of that

[@geoff7727]

The level of pettiness

[@geoff7727]

You guys have

[@DustyCrop]

on baby this is the best video on this subject

[@DustyCrop]

#999 like

[@John-hh5kx]

Thank you for your objective observations.

[@DavidFletcher566]

Excellent, well made video. Thanks!

[@1999_reborn]

Only 7 minutes in but you’ve earned a sub. I love the way you structure your videos.

[@fl4re163]

Man, you and Technicals have ran a lot of stories recently of "guy with zero rizz gets into what should be a minor controversy, but because the memes are too funny, their whole life gets ruined" happened to Hax, The Panda CEO, Mike Z and now Hans. I think the moral here is that more people need a guy to do their PR.

[@FinoClips]

Great video man!

[@ArchanaKumari-fz3ps]

Best video regarding this case

[@tepperpepper1047]

Commenting for more engagement. Going beyond smash is always something nice to see

[@23bcx]

I think Mangus is a cereal cheater. No other reason to jump soo quickly to cheating

[@jonathancowles8488]

An excellent documentary. Well done sir.

[@user-xg3en2lf4v]

Thank you for the content

[@captainbube1217]

Any interaction i have ever seen from magnus was that he was so arrogant i wouldnt even bother talking to him.

[@juuk3103]

And how many times have you met him again?

[@captainbube1217]

@@juuk3103 lol did you not read? I said every interaction i have ever seen you absolute genius 😭

[@juuk3103]

@@captainbube1217 Wauw genius 😳 let's start judging people on clips, you are so right! Everything that I have seen of you has been arrogant and negative also 😱 you got a point OMG 😳

[@captainbube1217]

@@juuk3103 haha dont be salty because you didnt understand my very easy sentence its fine 👍

[@RedbarNews]

@@juuk3103you’re clearly very very dumb.

[@Trololo231]

Thoughts on Magnus pulling an Armada and not competing in the World Chess Championship?

[@RoninofCrimsonMaple]

Was that the one over his controller not properly malfunctioning?

[@cbhlde]

Great work; well put together and structured! Nice, thank you from Germany! ;) Time to read Lushins Defense again. :p

[@AyrtonTwigg]

Great video! Thank you!

[@MVuke84]

I believe everyone freaked out mainly because in chess, you have to calculate, right?...Hans had problems even remembering, let alone explaining the game he just got done playing.

[@4kach24]

I don't really know how that works,but it may be relatable to me When I'm focused on an important task (a test or an exam) I rarely remember how and what I did afterwards

[@Frag2xx5]

@@4kach24 in the video his coach mentioned his outstanding memory, so thats not really a valid explanation

[@DaxperOfficial]

to say he cheated without evidence is dumb, this kid is smart AF and beats gm's regularly if you watch him live and just won a huge open tournament...

[@4kach24]

@@Frag2xx5 Even if he cheated, I have no interest in supporting claims of other players who fueled his bullying either. The way this whole community acted towards then a 19 year old is atrocious.

[@Frag2xx5]

@@4kach24 fully agree

[@evildracko]

I love the part when Carl said "ban jisu"

[@manostroulis6196]

Was wonderimg how this ended. Great video. And you are right, kudos to Hans for that excellent win againsr such a Great like Magnus

[@nikoyay]

Amazing video

[@HollandOates]

Great vid! Guess it was filmed to early to note that Carlsen was just fined for his actions in chess! Insta-subbed.

[@egenverdi]

just want to say that this was a very well made video

[@hicoop]

Awesome vid man- subbed

[@EspeonGaming0]

I love it when people go into an investigation assuming the person (In this case Hans) is guilty. It's innocent until proven guilty for a reason. You start with the fact that he's innocent. Do your research, and then hand down a verdict. Not give a verdict, fake an investigation, then put out faulty evidence and just say "Look look. He's guilty, look at these stats that take nothing into account".

[@babayega1717]

You do realize " innocent until proven guilty " is not a world-wide accepted judicial concept right?

[@ItsRayful]

@@babayega1717 You do realize that this video shows why it should ?

[@hedgehog3180]

@@babayega1717 And that's because many countries in this world are dictatorships that lack proper justice systems.