The Ka'ba's Origins through Epigraphic Records - Prof. Ahmad Al-Jallad

In the following segment, we engage in a conversation with Prof. Al-Jallad, exploring what Epigraphic records can tell us about the origins of the Ka'ba and the developmental history of Mecca as a settlement.
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[@kschacherer92]

Thanks for the upload :D

[@omarmirza9957]

Good points.

[@abdullahimusa9761]

5:42- is there extra-Islamic evidence for the story of Abraha and the year of the elephant? The story suggests the Ka'bah was known by people in Yemen especially the Abraha, the Abysinian ruler of Yemen (according to Islamic sources).

[@mutalix]

I've read there were other kabaas as well, one particularly intersting one was the white Kabaa in Yemen that prophet mohammed made his people venture to Yemen to destroy. I've been trying to find more information about it, but unfortunately, there is not alot of information on YT.

[@srebalanandasivam9563]

Being a biologist, I request the learned speaker to study the pollen data from the present Mecca region. It gives away little or no proof of vegetation. Petra and it's vicinity are thus a better fit for the pre Islamic shrine of Kaa'ba. Taif, Marib and Hira were ancient agricultural centres indeed based on the same palynology data

[@skepsislamica]

Is there a specific study you’re referring to about Mecca's pollen data? And how does that prove there was no vegetation in that settlement 1400 years ago?

[@fadiljelin7297]

Are you aware of any pollen data studies done in Mecca? Can you direct us to the published source if so? The pollen data studies are not done randomly and routinely. They are done at specific archeological sites of interest for specific purposes. Like restoration or study of historical gardens like Alhambra. Unlike Petra, I am unaware of any extensive archeological excavations sites in Mecca. The Western client regime, the Saudi dynasty affiliated with the heretical Wahabi ideology and movement, has been preventing archaeological excavations as well as destroying historical landmarks as well as archaeological sites and ancient cemeteries until recently. Basically they have been moving dirt, and pouring asphalt and concrete over the large area of the historic Mecca for the last 100 years without archaeological or historical preservation expert involvement. Therefore I would be surprised if the heretical Western client regime occupying Hijaz did any studies at all apart from standard soil mechanics studies necessary for construction. That is exactly what they wanted to achieve as the extended arm of the Western colonial powers- i.e. destroy the Islamic heritage, Islam’s historic landmarks, and Islamic archeological evidence. They even completely rebuilt the Kabba with new stone. On the other hand, the Western archeologists have had access to Petra and have been collecting data for over a century, Perta being one of the best studied archeological site in the World. The heretical Western client regime, the Saudis have only recently allowed scholars like Dr Jallad access into the Wahabi heretics occupied Hijaz. Of course there would not be any pollen data because no scientists were ever allowed to do such studies in Mecca or Hijaz by the heretical Western Powers’ clients. And of course there is extensive pollen data for Petra because that’s one of the longest and most extensively studied sites in the World, while Mecca is the least studied due to the barred access. But I think you are making a great suggestion to bring the scientists in and do pollen studies if any undisturbed patches of dirt have been preserved anywhere in Mecca orbits surroundings. MBS is opening the Wahabi occupied Hijaz to Western scientists, with seemingly unlimited access.

[@cal2127]

ill be honest i think dan gibsons theorys pretty well founded.

[@user-ls8ks7kv8c]

Why would you go into something as niche as pollen data when you can literally go on Google Maps and see farms there or look at pictures drawn by Europeans hundreds of years ago showing Mecca to be a busily populated area, which wouldn't be possible if there was no vegetation.

[@fadiljelin7297]

Why is that? Petra had a bishop and diocese in the 7th century, for sure someone would have mentioned the “heretical prophet” in their midst. Or you think that Muhammed is in fact Jesus. And that Quran is a collection of Syriac homilies like other Petra hypotheses proponents? Just curious…

[@TheMuslimJesus]

I find his comment about Mekkah farming very strange. Because historically Mekkah was concentrated around the Kaabah and now makkah have extended very well. So the farms he is talking about should be very far from the center of Makkah, near the Kaabah. So what he called the Myth of not being able to grow anything in Makkah, is just a HISTORICAL FACT and his argument is false and based on a presentism fallacy. in addition your question to Him about Makkah before islam was kind of surprising for him and seems not to know much about. In consequence his answer was around the bush. If you dont know about something, its butter to say i don't know

[@steinadleradler3431]

Taif is a walking distance from Mecca so why you think "the farms he is talking about should be very far from the center of Makkah"?

[@TheMuslimJesus]

@@steinadleradler3431 The distance from Taif to Mekkah is 80km. thats a long distance to walk travel BACK THEN 9 it will takes an average of 2days walking carring your water and food). Taif was a completely separate Town from Mekkah back then ( rich Makkian had mansion in Taif for summer). Hence the farms he is talking about could not and would not be, in any way shape or form, part of Makkah but part of Taif.

[@mikhan5191]

He is wrong /mistaken on several points. --- Makkah & Taif have different climates & soils. Taif is good for Farms while Makkah is not. Makkahs 'soil' is either sandy or rocky and hot & dry. Just look at Google maps satellite view of the area. -- ancient pre islamic poetry & poets DID talk about the Kaba!!!

[@AshokGupta-oq6hs]

Madam&Sirs,whatever be its origins, it remains an empty box like man made structure which myslims worship 5time a day all through their life and try to visit it at least once in their lifetime depending on affordability How is this a superior object of worship vis a vis idols is totally baffling. In fact a formless entity can never be worshipped except through word,book or a symbol.

[@canusapak7535]

Very weak history to corroborate the Standard Islamic Narrative

[@ob1kendobe]

Absence of evidence does not equate evidence of absence.