My Review After 100 Hours - Omens of Destruction - Total War Warhammer 3

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

TLDR Omens of Destruction is less than Thrones of Decay but still leagues better than Shadows of Change. It's a good title with some minor issues as explained in the video above. CA need to explain why these DLC's are taking so long as this doesn't feel as BIG as Thrones was. The plus side is the DLC keeps to the sameish quaity (although a bit smaller) as Thrones and that means the mistakes of Shadows of Change have been learnt. I'm live over at Twi - as thegreatbookofgrudges pop by and say hi

[@maeburekaiser]

The Rotknights were added to fill an empty slot. The Skullcrushers have that slot, just like the Doom Knights. We will get a Slaanesh Heavy Cavalry as well.

[@Zettern96]

Isn't the main reason this took so long is they have had huge changes at CA with the layoffs and changes in plans after the SoC disaster? (This is just an assumtion, CA has never said this)

[@Garret007]

I think it's good to be critical, when you also praise other stuff of them.

[@bjorn-falkoandreas9472]

Looks like this is a quite good DLC. I already was happy watching the previews and to be honest, me wanting to play Wurzag or Skarsnik again already is kind of big. Let's hope CA gets back to smooth sailing again. But pinko commie me does not like the motivation for "nearshoring". Paying people less for the same work just because they live elsewhere is exploitative.

[@ragnarok6521]

@@Zettern96 Pretty sure CA did a massive dip on their pre-current plans to make this content instead. This is not something that would take a small experienced team 8 months to make, but rather something that appears to have been rushed out half-way due to poor reception of alleged Cathay DLC. I think the next DLC will come a lot faster and most likely be the content that they worked on prior to diverging to the content of this DLC, unless people uproar again demanding 'Dogs of War' more than anything. This is purely speculation, but as a modder, I don't see content here worth 8 months of work, as a team of 10 people or so could easily have pushed this within a week or a month tops. Still, the stuff shown seems good, nothing to fault there.

[@reiteration6273]

I might be regretting these words in a few days, but right now based on what you've said in this video, *I actually prefer what CA have done with camp movement to your suggestion.* IMO, it doesn’t make sense at all for camps to move like Black Arks on land, like you wanted. That sounds absurd to me. Black Arks are supposed to be floating fortresses. Moving is kinda their thing. On the other hand, nothing in the lore indicates that ogre buildings are known for having wheels. Packing up campsites is the obvious way for them to move.

[@xavmand1615]

I agree, it would also make them very difficult to use in Golg's campaign. If I teleport and want my camp, Id have had to walk it across the map but now I can disband it and pop it back where I want to settle

[@TheChristOOv]

Yeah I agree, in my head I imagine a massive ogre camp being taken apart, convoying to a new place and then setting up again.

[@aidanc9396]

I think people want the slow movement as it represents the Ogres migrating, plus it keeps them functional as they move. Start camp>pack up and move>unpack camp>end turn>start camp>pack up and move etc. The change they've made feels more like you're making the camp useless for a few turns while it teleports to where you want it. Plus it lacks tactical depth, like moving your camps to be able to guard multiple points (Such as in the Mountains of Mourn).

[@howdareyouexist]

Exactly

[@zacharybecker8228]

I would have preferred pre determined spot the camp can migrate to and it takes a couple of turns to migrate and instead of a radius it would effect specific regions around it similar to heathlands for wood elves

[@druidofthewolf5996]

Ya but the camp system makes sense you tear it down and put it back up like any good camp

[@johngibson1435]

i was expecting a camp on wheels 😆

[@changer_of_ways_999]

With Realms of Chaos dead, they should put the actual Realms of Chaos INTO Immortal Empires and move the four starting monogod demons to their realms. The Chaos Wastes in the north are getting WAY too crowded and it's a waste for all of the realms of chaos to be just gone. Of course, they can't be regular settlements, maybe only occupied by chaos factions? The rest can only raze temporarily. I dunno, but they need to be there.

[@SirTayluh]

Strong agree, obviously reworked for immortal empires, but it would be cool to have them. One way or another, the Chaos Wastes are too crowded.

[@mumblez7712]

100% You should be able to march north through the chaos wastes and into the chaos realms proper.

[@bryceandriano4032]

God I hope not. Just let the realm die they where a bad idea then and they still are a bad idea.

[@HikariNoHakuDono]

I can understand the desire to speed up and get more DLC's, but if eight months is a price for content we got in last ToD and OoD - I gladly pay it. Because SoC took 4 months and.. it was 4 months which left title worse than it was aftr release of chaos dwarfs. This is a great game and I wish they will finish it in a good state. I have time to wait

[@urahi830]

4 months of how many people working on it? Also the main issue was, and still is, the ridiculous price

[@joshuaburkhard7471]

I don’t watch a ton of game content creators but I’ve never seen one complain about the speed of DLC as much as Grudge does. I understand he’s a warhammer fan and wants to see more content but with all the upheaval at CA over the last year it’s no surprise things are taking longer. Especially if they want to avoid the Shadow of Change debacle. And with the rise of DLC Price I’d rather they take longer and make the content worth it than rush it out.

[@devinphillips8085]

Shadows of change was fine. It was the price that people didn't like. If it was $15 then we would have avoided all of this and we would have had a lot more dlcs by now. The problem is that these dlcs are taking way too long. They need to drop the 3rd race from these dlcs

[@jakubizdebski7177]

You and I might have the time to wait but I am worried that CA might not - I'm afraid that there might be a cut off date and the longer we have to wait between DLCs, the less of them can be squized before the finish line.

[@kapixniecapix3869]

You dont have time to wait. There is thousend things to add and fix and at the moment of trailer upload for new fantasy total war timer runs out and game is abandoned. This the reason ppl wants faster paste and this is only reason. If CA could guaranteed endles support even after their new games come out I am fine with this 8 months. In that case I would say its even better.

[@maeburekaiser]

The theme is characters who travel the world challenging themselves in war. They all have that kind of goal.

[@MrMaxamumdes]

Im gonna be honest the only thing i truly disagree with is the idea of needing a full narrative. That sounds so arbitrary. Like how is Elspeth "defending the empire" that unique. Karl Franz has the same narrative. I'd argue Golg and his mercenary contracts is far more unique narrative then "oh an Empire character wants to defend the empire."

[@changer_of_ways_999]

I think the only "narrative" is to have the Crises reworked and more flavorful. Right now it's just spammed armies and is kind of just terrible. And on top of that, there's the glaring omission of Chaos crisis.

[@ashtonrucker7122]

⁠@@changer_of_ways_999 Yeah lol. What are they thinking not fixing the end game? Give us a reason to make it to the end. The system needs a rework and I've seen people talk about Stellaris endgames crises. CA could take inspiration from that maybe.

[@gingersroc]

Yeah, that was one part of the review that I strongly disagreed with. The total war games are sandbox games after all. The "narrative" is also very superficial if it is there like you said.

[@vargknight]

In regards to Golgfag specifically I think it could have done with some kind of narrative to be honest. Have you actually played him yourself yet? I have and got bored very quickly. As you are kind of incentivized to not bother taking settlements and just do contracts that's how I played it. There are two big problems, first, you get so much gold and meat so quickly it's actually kind of ridiculous, it very quickly becomes no challenge as you can build up a fully levelled camp extremely fast and have an army of fully mid to high tier units by like turn 15, which means none of the AI armies stand a chance as they are generally tier 1 trash still. The other problem is related to how the contracts work, because you only ever get them from factions nearby you don't really end up moving out of one area of the map, I got to turn 30 and hadn't got much further from the starting position than Reikland. Now of course you could say just walk somewhere else then, which sure, you can do that but I don't particularly want to have to essentially take a break from playing the game for several turns regularly to spend time just walking across the map to go to another area to do the exact same thing over again. The first problem is something i'm sure they will fix, as it's just a balance thing. The second I don't know if they will, but it could be fixed by having some kind of narrative, even just something like the Changeling has where there's different quest battles in different areas of the map and make them so you can't actually teleport and have to physically go to them. I know then you still have the issue of spending turns walking across the map, but it at least would give you a reason to do so

[@kaiserxi970]

Saying slaughtebrutes "get the job done" is an odd choice when most of the testing I've seen by other channels specifically shows otherwise.

[@mustacheBpf]

@@kaiserxi970 good ol GBOG being clueless about balance and unit design once again

[@Serpentaxuk]

Yeah "its a great monster killer" .. No its rather trash at that, and only "OK" at its actual anti-infantry role, on a roster with much better options.

[@ЮрийНовиков-д4ж]

I mean most of the single monstrous units are trash, their job is just to look cool, it’s kinda disappointing, but balance wise it’s fine imho

[@mlanier3533]

it looks really bad compared to the mutalith vortex beast from the "bad" dlc.

[@stealplow8462]

I don't think they have the resources focus on realms of chaos idk why people would bitch about this it makes no sense.

[@lightbringer1237]

No one cares about the realms lmao, trash campaign that an extremely small amount of people play.

[@ashermaese4481]

Kinda true? I play realms once every ten games. Maybe? I also play with groups that occasionally shout out "realms" Makes for a shorter game and even a little bit of a race between players. These lords will have campaigns in the realms. Just like the last dlc and the one before it. Just a shorter list for completion victory.

[@Slyslug]

Everyone spent a year saying theu don't want narrative they want sandbox. Now people want narrative. I'm down, I want narrative, I felt like the only one though.

[@Dr.AvenVon]

at the same time, if they completly skip realms, then why is the rest of the dlc so....lacking, considering how much time they had for it?

[@Drdoom-d-rida]

@@ashermaese4481dont think they’re in realms at all

[@luigisuper4143]

I feel like many of your criticisms around the DLC are very opinionated and not very objective. Are you really substracting 0.5 because Ogre camps don't move like black arcs on land but instead disband and are built elsewhere? I actually think this whay is better, when you move your army your camp is disbanded and then built in the new location, that's how camps work. Also Skarr Bloodwrath as a Lord is a preferrence thing, no race in ToD got 3 lords, in fact Arbaal's mechanics are better than Epidimius'. And ToD had reskins like grudgebreaker thunderers, and remodels like nuln ironsides and hochland long rifles.

[@johnny13x2]

@luigisuper4143 he's saying Skarr should have been a lord in a different dlc/flc. Personally I agree with him. Skarr would have been a perfect Khornate Norscan Lord candidate for a CoC style Norscan DLC.

[@luigisuper4143]

@@johnny13x2 Skarr is a Skaramor, not a Norscan. He's from way up in the Chaos Wastes. Also we're not going to have infinite DLC for Warhammer 3, it doesn't make sense to pretend that Skarr could have been a DLC lord. If we get DLC for Norsca it's going to be someone else like Egil, Bjorn or Sayl that make more sense. Nathan has been clear since the beginning that he prefers Skarr over Arbaal, and I very much doubt he would have complained the same if it was Skarr the FLC.

[@fleshhunter8703]

I mean... It is a review, not a reading out of facts? I mean... Objectively, almost all of the Khorne units are bad (Mostly just not enough models while competing with a same tier or lower so they aren't really usable). Objectively "Black Orcs with shields is a trap to waste your time" because you frontline as Greenskins is typically how you win the battle, but a more defensive unit is holding for something else to win and... Holding out for what?

[@luigisuper4143]

@fleshhunter8703 Balancing can be changed in hotfixes and patches, if balancing was considered for the DLC value then ToD was non-functional OP powercreep. Bu the overtuned units got progressively nerfed in the following patches.

[@fleshhunter8703]

@@luigisuper4143 The problem still exist that "Certain units exist in a niche that they would probably would never be helpful until they buffed to insane levels of overpowered for what army they are existing in" On top of that some of the 'cooler' units have *really* bad animations because the hit box touches nothing or RN where the slaughterbrute has a really good hitbox so it dies to almost everything

[@captainseabass874]

So I have a theory, CA Sofia was mainly in charge of this DLC to see how well they adjust to WH and the core DLC team is working on the next Slaanesh DLC. If this leapfrog style of DLC development is being implemented we could start seeing individual lord packs, like a single lord, every 2-3 months to round out existing races and a race pack at the end of each year (Ind, Nippon, Khuresh). This will build hype for end times and complete the game so the core team can start developing 40K.

[@kapixniecapix3869]

They really should continue support of wh3 when working on next game and also after it release. They really should man.

[@taylank6418]

I hope they dont release these generic human races everyone keeps begging for

[@captainseabass874]

@@taylank6418 which are the generic human races?

[@braindeadhoovy2562]

​@@captainseabass874ind, Nippon and araby

[@kapixniecapix3869]

@@taylank6418 Why? Who suposed to be in place where those factions are lorewise? That doesnt make sense.

[@cillblinton8181]

Your camp criticism is silly. Moving camps would have sucked, especially for golgfag who needs to teleport in his campaign. The issue you have with the packing up camps is an issue of balance, not function. Everyone agrees 5 turns is too long, so I have no doubt they will buff it. That being said I appreciate your highly stringent reviewing. This is how is should be

[@Monochromatic_Spider]

They overhauled the Ogres, they polished off the Greenies, and they just might have made Khorne a bit less of a hyper-momentum race with a terrible endgame, taking them just a bit closer to being a hybrid faction. Definitely a must-buy, assuming the price is 25 euro and not silly money north of 30. Could this DLC have been even better? Almost certainly. But CA are who they are and frankly I'm just happy that they seem to be acknowledging the problems and working on them. The CA that released WH3 would have been too busy praising their own work and referring to obvious problems as intentional design choices. Are we getting milked just a little bit? Of couse we are. That's how the gaming scene is today, particular for a SEGA-owned studio that piled up something like a hundred mil and set fire to it with the Hyenas fiasco.

[@gingersroc]

Well said good sir.

[@gsauwce5488]

I’m hopeful for the future of this game. We’ve got an interim patch team now that can add new content, and we have Sofia stepping in as well. I think we’re going to see more frequent updates moving forward

[@lordpappanqui]

Team SOFIA is and will be the mainstay for WHTotalWar.... the 'original' team that initiated WHTW is now the mainstay working on and finishing Total War 40K. I strongly suspect this is the current reality.

[@garryame4008]

It's a shame that CA didn't update Grimgor, Azhag, or Skarbrand with campaign mechanics.

[@phantom-lofi]

I dont think they needed it tho

[@ToniCur88]

I agree, it's boring to play Grimgor now when Gorbad has all the new juicy mechanics.

[@YashaSkaven]

​@@ToniCur88grimgor is honestly the "vanilla" orc faction so he's fine too.

[@PeteL-u1d]

​@@ToniCur88yes but you dont need it cause Grimgor snowballs immensely fast

[@DerDarkfire1]

Me, crying in Vampire Counts.

[@SmoughTown]

Good review mate - thanks as always for your coverage

[@TehSlice360]

Yooo it's Smough

[@redrook]

I still dont think every lord needs a capital "M" mechanic. Guys like Wurzag and Grimgore just having a focus on their respective units is fine to me. Grimgore in particular doesn't feel like he needs anything really. Skarsnik I could agree with simply because I think the Eight Peaks stuff could use an overhaul. Make it similar to the Sword of Khaine maybe. In that it gives whomever holds the area a significant global buff but also a kind of debuff. Mainly, have it cause animosity with the other factions vying to own it. Basically, make it a king of the hill where the three groups keep going after the one that owns the location until only one is left. Outside of that, I think Skarsnik is mostly okay though. There are some lords I'd like to see get something interesting. The original 2 dragon children could use a small mechanic. Give Miao Ying some kind of interesting mechanics for the bastion. I think Zhao Ming could use something to make him interesting. Maybe some unique caravan upgrades and alchemical stuff. All that said, I am cool with some characters mechanics simply being they are good with certain units and have some stong faction buffs. Not everybody needs a new upgrade panel and bespoke currency to spend or something.

[@kylewolf740]

I agree with this, a lot of times it feels like even suboptimal engagement in unique mechanics makes you OP very quickly

[@CrippleX]

I think that a big point in Omens of Destruction's favor is that of the amount of new voicelines. The recycled voicelines in Thrones of Decay was a huge negative for me. While I think Thrones was great overall, it wasn't fantastic because of that. Things like voice acting are a very important part of the production value and why people are willing to pay for DLCs instead of just getting a mod. Adding a Thunderbarge or Plague Ogres to the game with no unique voicelines is pretty sloppy and ultimately why I personally would rate OoD over ToD.

[@mustacheBpf]

Indeed, I'm still incredibly surprised people just glossed over that. No new voice lines, expect for the characters is a travesty. Makes them feel like modded units

[@ConanAshConn]

Puts this new dlc above thrones just for that reason in my opinion. Voice lines are SO important for immersion and enjoyment for me.

[@gingersroc]

​@@ConanAshConnWow! I definitely don't care as much about the voice lines to the actual content. I'm happy for you though!

[@delcane92]

@@ConanAshConn I'm with you on this one, to me one of the best aspects of The Forge of the Chaos Dwarfs were the voice lines, which added an amazing feeling to their battles.

[@mp5284]

Honestly some really solid aspects to this dlc: Mangler squid’s look fantastic and I have to assume that was a big chunk of the budget. The legendary hero’s all look great, the lords seem like that they have good mechanics. In terms of units, they are good but lack a bit of differentiation along with units that aren’t changed that much.

[@Chicken-Chaser]

The mangler squigs are perfect. But all of the other greenskin units already have mods for them. Orc shaman lords, bolt throwers, giant squig, orcs with different weapons. That parts a little disappointing

[@Ryans319]

I mean based on lore - the LH for the greenskins read like a hero in his lore. It didn’t seem like he led armies.

[@Slyslug]

Dual hand weapons on gors would have sucked. Im so sick of EVERY nirgle unit being GW. EVERY khorne unit is dual. Etc. Its boring, i was so happy the tzaangors were shield.

[@gonk1529]

Honestly I do agree, I think a little diversity in the weapons is good. khorne already has a ton of dual weapons, they don't need more

[@Neptungarden]

Skullreapers could fill a nice role as shock infantry.... Give them +10 in speed and charge bonus, armor sundering and some extra mass. And they would have a rolle in the roster

[@Weberkooks]

they need some kind of debuff for sure armor sundering would be solid but rn there role is completelly taken up by dual weapons and exalted bloodies

[@hmitchell9759]

Someone suggested making the Skullreapers like the Wrathmongers, ie. 32 models and the Wrathmongers the Khorne aspiring champions with 16 models

[@theibbe]

@@hmitchell9759 Suggested to who? CA? maybe it's to late. the modders will fix it for sure

[@hmitchell9759]

@theibbe the guy suggested on one of CA videos, the one on Gorbad

[@Neptungarden]

Down the line they will probably be adjusted. If you remember when the aspiring champions first were put in, they had a health pool of 1500ish, mass of 160 and bad stats, now they have close too 10000, 600mass and live up to their name stat wise.

[@grayrook8637]

If I was to offer CA new input for future changes: tweak confederation. Since you can now tribal confederate with Greasus, which is great, it is only more apparent in the before and after. Confederation without a devoted mechanic like Tribal of force confederation or the Elector Count is arbitrarly difficult.

[@changer_of_ways_999]

There's a lot of diplomacy decisions in general that I feel are weighted wrong. It's way too difficult to convince someone to join a war and the AI puts WAY too much value into Settlements, being exploitable when gifting one and impossible to buy one.

[@Bobrob1597]

I was going to get the ogre update but I heard at the time of posting, there's a game breaking glitch that prevents ogres doing dmg. Ggwp

[@constantinechase9382]

At some point it would be great to hear your perspective on FLC content. Typically, developers do not just keep supporting a game with new free content outside of live-service or gotcha games. It is just weird to keep hearing how units of lords should be or should have been added for free. It would be nice to get an understanding about your philosophy on FLC as it often just comes off as “work for free because I want X in the game.”

[@TheRetifox]

Seeing this DLC, how many variants are there, and generally the CA promo since announcing this DLC, I think Cathay DLC was supposed to happen, but CA got scared, scrapped/moved it, and made this DLC in fear of response to the backlash. The trailer, the variants of units, and the fact that in the promo video in dev talks, they really did not even have models of units ready. The DLC is good tho, no real complaints here, I am waiting on what CA gonna do next.

[@kaboomonme]

I'm inclined to agree here, seeing the somewhat suspicious leaks back then and how quickly CA responded to them by announcing the khorne/ogres/greenskinz dlc. While I think the quality of the dlc did suffer a little bit for it, it's better than waiting through DLC cycles of Cathay and DoW before all the Chaos factions got fleshed out, which I'm really looking forward to.

[@runeh3022]

Skarr Bloodwrath os fine as a Legendary Hero. No need to harp on about it every time he is mentioned. :-) Being a a "tribal leader" is a bit of a loose term in any case, much as a Jarl could be a tribal leader among the people of Norsca. Him being individually powerful does not have to translate to his tribe being big enough to form a proper army.

[@mikemikeson9173]

Bro has played the unreleased DLC more than most people play an entire game.

[@kapixniecapix3869]

I have a lot of hrs in tw warhammer but a lot of this is load times due to HDD drive. Kinda suck but I cant get a new PC right now.

[@Hollow_Theorist]

@@kapixniecapix3869 SSD’s 2nd hand can be cheaper than HDD’s but I guess you have your reasons for not upgrading it. It’s worth learning how to replace PC parts yourself.

[@kapixniecapix3869]

@@Hollow_Theorist My PC is old, suprising that some new games are still kicking somehow. Dude gtx 1060 is immortal 😅 Also I have SSD but is small system only drive. At this point I need to replace everything and honestly warhammer 3 is only game where loadscreens botheres me on HDD. I want nvme on my new pc in future (dont have port for it now) thats main reason I am still in HDD. Maybe stupid dacision but made long time ago.

[@Hollow_Theorist]

@ When I started off PC gaming I had an integrated graphics chip on the family laptop, the trusty Intel HD 4000, I could barely run Skyrim on it graphics wise. I only bought my pre built when I was 19, around the time I started my 2nd paid job in my life. PC gaming is a journey, plenty of indie games and older titles etc you can play in the meanwhile.

[@kapixniecapix3869]

@@Hollow_Theorist The last part is pure fact. My pc is not that bad for now. I can run every game realesed till 2020 on high and some realesed after.

[@SkullivanBones]

I don't think narrative is super necessary tbh. As long as everything makes some amount of sense lore wise, and feels mechanically sound then thats all it really needs. Especially because like you said... Sandbox x3

[@gingersroc]

I absolutely agree, as this is a sandbox game after all. I think respecting the lore is important, but a narrative cutscene will be skipped by me in two seconds. All of the stories are half-baked anyways.

[@DarkvalorGaming]

I’m hoping with CA sophia involved we’ll see the dlc time speed up. Cutting it in half to 4 months would be cool. But I don’t want to see it cause quality issues.

[@Deleran]

I laughed when you said Blizzard is doing better now :D Joking aside, thanks for the extensive review. I appreciate all the information and your insight, and am looking forward to getting my hands on this DLC!

[@highpriestofzuul2926]

The time between releases isn't a surprise at all or hard to explain. There's a very simple rule when planning a project... Fast, cheap, or good. Pick 2. The community complained when the expansions were moving toward being smaller or more expensive, so, you've picked two.

[@lukaskoch2508]

It looks great! But i would have liked to have the Squig Gobba instead of the spider with catapult.

[@ManfredVonCapitalist]

Right! I just wish they made black orks w shield a free update unit and added the gobba for maximum squig flair

[@lukaskoch2508]

@ that sounds like a plan

[@Doombot221]

One thing I've been thinking about is how, for me, it's hard to tell sometimes whether Arbaal or Skulltaker is the FLC lord. On a positive note, it feels good to see that an FLC lord is getting enough work to not feel markedly worse off than a dlc lord in terms of effort. The downside perhaps being that, a lord you need to pay for should maybe feel like it has more going for it than an FLC. I don't feel like Epidemius was under-served by ToD, but it is clear that Tammy is the paid for content because there are a bunch of unique characters, specialized units, AND abilities that you can only get by playing him. I haven't seen enough maybe of Skulltakers mechanic to judge for sure, but from what I've seen it doesn't really compare proportionately (although I appreciate it's not easy to balance such things between dlcs and wildly different characters). All that being said, I often choose to play Kugath over either of them anyways. His start position's early resources for infections make plague and recruitment buildings easier to setup, the extra blessed symptoms are a potent tool, and his new unique skill-line helps to scale very quickly imo. And that's why I also feel a bit sad that Skarbrand didn't get a little extra love.

[@Kaleesh_General27]

I’m hopeful for the future. TOD was amazing, and this one looks great as well. I’m very excited to see what comes next, and now that Sofia is involved hopefully we’ll get DLC more often.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Regarding Khorngors and other Beastmen variants, I'd really like more marked units variants. For instance, there are no Centigors of Tzeentch with throwing weapons, which is odd to me.

[@jaredcullum117]

I think with Thrones of Decay they had the perfect opportunity to give us a strong narrative simply because of the characters they chose for it. Tahmurkahn and Elspeth are specifically tied to the Tahmurkahn story and Malakai's campaign comes straight out of the Gotrek and Felix novels. I think they really just had more material to work with. With this DLC I think they went more thematic (the theme of chaotic and destructive characters). These characters are known for their own victories and deeds throughout the Warhammer world, so trying to tie them together more would probably feel a bit forced.

[@Nhosto]

"7.5 I have no complaints". Dang! My man is hard to please.

[@lilveeman]

I noticed that apart from your channel, a lot of content creators have overlooked Wurrzag's new hidden campaign mechanic where he can go around the world building the new unique building Monument of Mork and Gork. You can build 10 of these all up which give stacking -5% cooldown reduction faction wide for Big and Little Waaagh spells. This adds up to -50% cooldown reduction faction wide. Then Wurrzag gives another -10% reduction faction wide bringing total cooldown reduction to -60%. Each caster can get another -20% cooldown reduction by putting full talent points into the skill tree for the spell, eg. Foot of Gork. That's -80% cooldown reduction all up. This makes Wurrzag's faction a powerhouse casting faction. Bonus tip: His Savage Orcs can now get a scrap upgrade that nullifies magic attacks and reduces spell resistance by 20%.

[@ProMeader98]

Even though I got into warhammer late (late into warhammer 2) I do love this series and I have bought every dlc even shadows of change I’m just hoping that they keep it up and give us more content, great review thank you for hyping me for the lead up 😅

[@Coerciveutopian]

I'm really disappointed there's no narrative aspect to this DLC. ToD had a really nice story and reason to keep playing after the first 30 turns.

[@Coerciveutopian]

Lack of narrative is the reason I'm hesitant to buy it.

[@leolinguini260]

I don't understand the whole reskin thing. When the Empire got 4 reskins that was fine, but for Orcs not?

[@d00msday83]

The dlc does look good but i feel more could have been done like the brusier variants for example.

[@MarcucciLeising]

I recently went to Turkey to buy an empreinte multi pochette. They showed me a pack of kislux and it looked exactly like this. The texture was no different, the color and appearance was the same, I think I will enjoy buying here in the future.

[@hansgerman3437]

Whaddaya mean, no theme? The theme is 3 killy lads walk into the Old World.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

this DLC is more skippable than even Shadows of Change (save for the price shenanigans) in my opinion. literally only like 3 units sin the entire DLC are interesting and the rest are either unbeneficial to the rosters or feel like they should have been free like the Black Orcs with shields. There are mods that introduce characters and mechanics in this DLC that are better implemented and its just sad at this point considering how long they are taking to give us these DLCS...

[@johnny13x2]

My biggest Ogre question is how does Hiring Golg work as a player? Does Anti-Player Bias mean Golg just never accepts your contracts? Can you even make contract for him to take? I wanna know.

[@p1003-i5n]

IMO that camps does not "move" actually allows for interesting strategic approach - you can potentially act really offensively. If the camp is in danger because your armies are far away you can just pack it up and place wherever you want near your actual army. Personally I like to get best quality units as fast as I want so bringing my highly upgraded camp with me whenever my army is going will potentially be very useful. Then when this army is upgraded it can follow another army or at this point I would just place it in safe place and spam armies from there.

[@DeanMurray08]

Never played orks but I am someone who needs all dlc for a game so il get all parts 🙄😂 excited for Khorne and ogres tho

[@childoftheeternalsky2382]

Brother's literally me. I only play Empire, Greenskins, Bretonnia and Skaven and I keep getting all the dlc. At the very least we re supporting the game so there's that😅

[@Weberkooks]

yeah I also have that compulsion and bought all of them for myself

[@Dr.AvenVon]

I think you guys are the definition of mindless consoomers

[@childoftheeternalsky2382]

@@Dr.AvenVon look friend. This game is my hobby, and I got a little less than 4000 hours of enjoyment out of it. I support the company, flaws and all that makes it, so that I ll get more content of it. It has already been worth my money. I think that's a long cry from mindless consumerism.

[@Dr.AvenVon]

@@childoftheeternalsky2382 yes, if you buy everything even if you don't plan to ever play it, then you are a mindless consoomer.

[@Ravensblood95]

Why does eveyine seem to hate the Changeling? I always tought the schemes campaign was a great idea

[@Sparta22033]

It's too easy you can beat the campaign with your eyes closed, no hearing, and while playing with only your pinky toe, even on legendary difficulty.

[@Ravensblood95]

@Sparta22033 Fair. I'm a pretty casual players so I mostly just look for fun mechanics. I can see how easy it is being a turn off for hard core players

[@Sparta22033]

I will give you that the mechanics are pretty fun starting off. You engage in diplomacy, subterfuge, and get to teleport. Although once you get a hang of it there is no challenge. I wouldn't say it's hard-core to wish there is some sort of challenge. You can basically cheese every fight with tomes. Also if you have played thrones of decay then shadows of change is absolutely a letdown. Compared to the changes that nurgle, dwarves, and empire recieved that DLC was a big letdown for half the price of the game. We got a LL and 2 units per faction with uninteresting faction mechanics. IMO Cathay was the coolest part of that DLC. Which the LL they got just got a better version of the compass while the other LLs for Cathay got nothing

[@GOWLIKEABOSS]

Personally I like the new camp moving mechanic better than just moving. You can pack up a top camp and move it completely across the map to support a new invasion in only a few turns. Seems like it's actually BETTER than the old way. Though being able to both move it and pack it up and redeploy would have been better by far.

[@johnny13x2]

I would love to see the chaos god domains from RoC introduced in Immortal Empires. It would make some campaigns hell, sure. But it would also make a lot of sense to reuse them for extra content in IE

[@boratenjoyer]

I agree with the lack of theme for this dlc. The theme for ToD was a big part of its success and immersion while playing those factions which is why I really hope for Slaanesh vs elves next

[@devinphillips8085]

There wasn't a real theme for thrones of decay either. It was just like omens of destruction where each lord does their own thing

[@boratenjoyer]

@@devinphillips8085 I disagree, thrones was based on the storm of chaos with Tamurkhan's journey to destroy Nuln both of which being playable in game

[@JeffCaplan313]

Same.

[@hardcorelace7565]

​@@boratenjoyer how does malakai fit into the tamurkhan vs nuln thing?

[@SkullivanBones]

Ngl, i didn't even realize ToD had an overarching narrative...

[@aminbayat8742]

next dlc must be slaanesh vs dark and high elves with dechala and masque,dark elves with tullaris dreadbringer as lord and shadowblade,high elves as aslin as lord and kurhal

[@SuperbiaNox]

We can only hope. CA has a habit of disappointing, though, so they could end up somehow messing it up.

[@kapixniecapix3869]

Alith anar should get his assassin lord an maybe even hero. His faction looks so unfished with only 2 themed units and no lord at all.

[@jonasfull]

Im more imagining a Slaneesh vs High Elves vs Monkey King thing going, with Ind opened up and all 3 settled in it

[@kapixniecapix3869]

@@SuperbiaNox They just seling hope the best profits comes from it.

[@SuperbiaNox]

@@jonasfull Keep dreaming.

[@johnny13x2]

Only thing I care about now with getting my Savage Orc Lord and Colossal Squig is that Savage Orc Hero with the Two Handed Axe. That would complete my Savage Orc Wishlist.

[@BlinkBoyBrad]

I hope CA knows that we DONT CARE about the realms mode. Nobody plays it, so just ignore anyone complaining about the lack of content for it. IE was always the way to play.

[@LeeroyGaming]

For how positive you are about khorne and ogres, I’m shocked you only scored them 7 and 7.5 out of 10. Anything below 8 many people consider just okay. Odd misalignment of commentary and score.

[@gingersroc]

Very much agree. The commentary came across to me as 6

[@johnny13x2]

Cultists and Speakers should ride Juggernauts, you're absolutely correct.

[@andarara-c1p]

I was feeling it, so this DLC is "not as good as ToD, not as bad as SoC". What I was already imagining. Well, I hope they do well in the future DLCs. I still hope for Ind and Khuresb someday in some way

[@gingersroc]

Yeah, i feel you. I was very optimistic that this DLC was going to be much better than it actually is. It's not bad, but a bit forgettable and half-baked. Very CA. It is better than SoC, but I don't think that's a valid praise.

[@vargknight]

As with it seems majority of others, have to disagree about moving camps. I think the way it is works just fine, but should be less of a cooldown after packing one up until you can re-deploy it. Black arks work because they can only go on the water, if you had the same mechanic on land it would be super stupidly OP. Golgfag kind of is anyway because of how fast you can get gold and meat, but yeah, that would just make it silly if camps could move all over the place whenever they want

[@MrZogsify]

I don't get the complaint about camps not physically moving around. You pick them up and put them back down again so whats the difference? And if the camp has to run around after you how would that work with Golgfag teleporting around the world?

[@GonzoIV]

I'm praying that the reason the DLC's are taking so long to release, is because CA are working on The Hinterlands of Khuresh! 🙏

[@caesarg.9270]

For Skullreaper and especially Wrathmongers, you didn't seem to take into account the entity numbers when saying they're supposed to be stronger than Chosen. As units Wrathmongers might be comparable to Chosen in melee brawl performance, but it's a comparison between a unit of 32 Wrathmongers vs 80 chosen. Each wrathmonger entity is much stronger than each Chosen entity. I think that's a good compromise on balancing game design and lore. From what I can tell from the stats, they've made considerable effort to distinguish their purpose from existing units (as much as they can within the context of Khorne anyway). E.g. Wrathmongers isn't just a stronger chosen, it's a smaller and much faster unit.

[@mustacheBpf]

You must be new here. Don't take anything GBOG says, regarding balance and unit performance, seriously, he's completely clueless about stuff like that

[@samueldisturbing761]

@@mustacheBpf Yeah kind of a dumbass on the battle map

[@beauhuber4627]

I know that everything at the end of the day is going to have bias but this leans a lot to the other side of the spectrum. It feels like there is a lot of nitpickiness on this. A lot of if I made the game I would of done this and I would have done this. I know Grudges isn't tearing this down but it really feels rough. I haven't lost faith outside of the AI needing to get smarter compared to that of previous titles. The DLC is only a day out and I have been jonsing for it since I saw the teases about it back a couple months ago. While I appreciate the trueness of keeping as much of the original IP the same certain things need to change some to apply to new applications. I think they have done a tremendous job bringing this world I adore to life. If CA needs time to make content that they are proud of I'm not going to complain. Take the time and do it right. Its not like other games delayed for years. I think this is the last of Grudges videos I will watch. I will see you all on the glorious field of battle to settle who is the true 100th lord! GORBAD ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!! WAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH!

[@rogue7744]

I appreciate the video. Really like seeing what’s included in all the dlc. Honestly, to me anyway, if you’re a fan of Warhammer, then all dlc should eventually be purchased. It’s all essentially “worth it”. They have great devs. I wish blood bowl had devs this good. All their stuff looks great and they modify things after released most of the time. Very good game and community

[@Doombot221]

I think the dwarfs, as classic allies of the empire, did tie in decently well with the narrative of Tammy vs Ellie. But thats maybe splitting hairs. I do agree though that, besides the theme of these 3 factions as being chaotic and destructive, there isn't really much to tie any of them together. I think if the next DLC is Dechala vs High elves with either another Cathay lord or perhaps a dark elf then that could work narratively. Maybe a Bretonnian lord or other order faction could make sense instead of dark elves? Idk

[@mylittlepwny3447]

Ive been working a ton and basically playing space marine 2 in whatever little free time i have. But I bought this DLC as I want CA to keep supporting this title. I'll get back to playing eventually. Im looking forward to them officially unlocking the rest of the map (without mods) and id love to see them round out the rest of the rosters and original races.

[@mrzeus9411]

Positive movements in CA company, they've integrated must needed fatigue and terrain effects in the unit card. I'm glad Sofia joined the WH3 team, there are some intelligent senior devs joining, which is a big pro and win-win for all of us. Hoping to see charge and ranged rework + the end times from wh1 (where order factions unite vs invading chaos factions from the north). Good to see they focus on immortal empires as well.

[@benjaminsorensen9334]

Thanks for the Ogre rework commentary; my main question with this pack has been whether the Ogres will finally be worth playing even without this new DLC.

[@jaredcullum117]

I like what the Greenskin DLC adds to improve the theming of various subfactions. Having more squigs and night goblins for Skarsnik and the Savage Ork Great Shaman is pretty nice. Having seen the showcase video, I might go with that one first. We'll see how I'm feeling come Thursday.

[@ryanvandiver3979]

Video request for this DLC and anf further DLCs: a video reviewing the performance of the AI as the new Legendary Lords and the Legendary Lords of the reworked races. I know that might be difficult but I would greatly appreciate seeing that.

[@benb9882]

Thanks for the review, I appreciate your take.

[@Brazilian134]

Honestly DLC takes too long regardless of how you think of it...The quality for Omens looks good but plenty of companies can dish out that level of quality DLC in far less than 8 months and what you get...is not that impressive all things considered. There are a ton of characters to still be added, a ton of factions that still need a desperate overhaul and some have not been properly touched since WH 2 to WH 1 like Brettonia and Vampire Coast/Counts. We should be getting DLC of this level every 3-4 months easy. A DLC that takes this long and if it's not the factions you like just makes you lose interest in the game or whatever CA has to offer. Great video.

[@urahi830]

also this is literally their only game now, Warhammer is the one IP that's carrying them and a lot of fans of historical titles have written the company off for good, they are not going to come back for new titles, I have no idea what the fuck they are doing

[@christopherboye5498]

@@urahi830 They lost a lot of developers shortly before Thrones was released due to the financial setbacks caused by their stupid decisions. I expected some kind of dip in quality with this DLC to be honest, though I do agree that 8 months for this quality is taking too long.

[@captaincool6785]

Well i would prefer it, that CA overhauls Sieges and AI before adding more Dlcs. This game overall still needs alot of qol.

[@Shimatzu95]

Considering it seems likely they will nerf mangler squigs what would be the best nerf? Personally i like the idea of reducing the explosion damage and/or turning it into a debuff instead, since it would impact campaign the least (assuming you try to keep your units alive).

[@reaperoflogic937]

Rather than a narrative it seems that the theme they went for was the more nomadic factions that don't necessarily keep to one place. There isn't an agenda because the 3 lords (other than gorbad arguably) don't have goals other than going around fighting for the hell of it.

[@Obdezat]

Hey @greatbookofgrudges, why are you dinging OoD for cheap reskins when ToD had even worse reskins like the Grudgerakers or asset swaps like Ironsides? I agree, but ToD scores should also get knocked.

[@ThePeepuddle]

The one thing I wish Golg had was an actual mercenary army. A separate recruitment pool of units from other factions. Based on the faction your doing missions for, so basically, a redesigned allied recruitment system for Golg specifically.

[@fredrikringdahl4132]

one thing i think people are not considering is that while TOD had dwarfs get the big race rework and empire get the big LL overhaul ogres in OOD got both of those which is in my eyes why it feels lacking instead of two races getting lots of love one got the massive lionshare of the love and don't take me wrong ogres needed it but i think that is why TOD felt more substantial

[@ethanestevez382]

My guess for why it took 8 months is that the legend leak was true, maybe not started but that was their plan. When the leak came out, they shifted to OoD after seeing the public reaction. This can explain why when they first showed off stuff it was the most reskin units and took the 8 months figuring out how to make the dlc from scratch

[@conradvonhotzendorf1652]

I agree. After Tod they said they were deep into the next dlc. Then the leak happend, and suddenly they had absolutly nothing to show for us. Gorbad didn't even have concept art or anything. Then it took 8 months to finish. That's not what I would call deep. Something happened.

[@anthropos8081]

Good too see more people catching on. I’ve suspected this since the first reveal of Golg. Funny how he was further in development by miles compared to the other lords when he was initially a part of the cathayan dlc.

[@bobbobberson3383]

I agree. They pivoted to Korne and green skins were and they chose them because they would be easy re-works.

[@Stormoak]

In the German soundversion of Golg the Piggy Riders are translated as "Schweineritter" (Piggy Knights) especially the Regiment of Renown is such a wonderful slap in the face of Bretonnia

[@emile4249]

I am disepointed regarding WoC not getting access to the new units and hope that changes. Undivided should get access and be upgradeable. Relms of Chaos should get added to the immortals map with new mechanics so that if someone is up for the challange they can go there and collect the items that are there. Currently RoC is just a waisted oppertunity.

[@jimbothefuzzy]

If Slaanesh is the next DLC, then I hope Nathan can explain to Slaanesh that the Pride bit (from performing high-quality work for a reasonable price) should be more important than the Greed bit (ripping off the customers for extra short-term cash). But Slaanesh will be Slaanesh. Hopefully that doesn't blow up on someone's face.

[@Cross_111]

They should merge the chaos god realms from the realms of chaos to immortal empires as a voluntary feature No portal spam or anything Just give the option to get the nice bonuses from the chaos gods But scrap just the rest and even remove realms of chaos map entirely

[@SerLoinSteak]

CA missed the mark on some of the god touched Beastmen. Tzaangors should be the halberd units and Khorngors should be wielding two axes (Pestigors are fine as GW infantry) and then Slaangors should be the sword and shield infantry

[@sant5925]

How does the AI handle these mechanics? Both Gorbad and the new Ogre economy and camp changes seem a lot more than what the TWWH bots can handle.

[@kdizzlemynizzle]

Nice work bro

[@deansheppard1104]

I think ogres is the only one worth here , maybe arbaal has well since he is Free.

[@baddude1337]

The original 6.0 and DLC plan on the roadmap hinted at Slaanesh. For some reason they seemed to pivot to Khorne instead, and that combined with all the layoffs, restructuring and CA Sofia getting involved has probably led to the lengthy gap between DLC. Thrones was obviously delayed due to the whole Shadows fiasco. I really hope it's not the norm but guess we will see how long the next pack takes. Hopefully they are back on track and can deliver them a bit faster. I don't think the lords necessarily need to have a theme or story to tie them together though it makes sense for at least 1 popular faction to be the highlight to bring players back. At this point we have a lot of races who need reworks/content, I'd much prefer they prioritize who needs love first before thematic relevance. Bretonnia, Kislev, Norsca, Vampire Counts etc... I'm fully expecting the next pack to be Slaanesh, Cathay and either Norsca of High Elves. The lack of meaningful map changes this patch is pretty disappointing, was certain Arbaal would pave the way to Ind/Khuresh being open. Especially as Realms is no longer getting any new content I just assumed they'd put more effort into IE's map. Hopefully the next DLC has a more significant expansion as the map is getting pretty clogged up and there is so much wasted space with the north-east chaos wastes and Ind/Khuresh not being accessible. The actual content does look great, very much looking forward to Ogres now as a huge fan of them in battles. Looking forward to getting my hands on it! Th

[@jeangrimon2835]

I am truely affraid by the "speed up" point. I truely want them to take their time to think the DLC. The développment flow we has is not perfect but it's great ! With some bigger update and DLC, i wouldn't mind if from now on we onlys have 2 update and 1 DLC a year. Speed is an enemy. We have plenty of games to play aside of TW W3

[@psychedellictoxin1195]

Would love a DLC called Vox Populi that gives this amount of love to Bretonnia, Tomb Kings and Norsca.

[@dimokenchev]

I don't see how the DLC is less content than ToD, especially taking into account the smaller patches in-between DLCs. Buy and let CA Sofia do their magic.

[@juggernautguy7442]

rating the ogres dlc based on the camp changes that are not part of the dlc seems counter intuitive to me. i understand rating something higher if the actual game you can play with it is better, but it isn't really a part of the value of the DLC unless you don't own the base Ogre kingdoms DLC. in my eyes, among the 3 up there, the units added for the Ogres have the least problems and Golg has the most unique campaign out of the 3 and in general is extremely unique among all the factions in warhammer 3 with how his diplomacy works. I would've liked to have moving camps as well, but I don't really think that should bring Golg down. Greenskins has some issues with unit variants on the Black Orcs and the Arachnarok, and Khorne has issues IMO, the Bloodbeasts and Skullreapers don't have a lot of Utility compared to Khorne Minotaurs and Chaos Warriors. For the Ogres, I feel like all of the units besides Golgs maneaters have good utility. They feel more or less like a Maneater unit variant with dual weapons. Yhetees are fairly similar to something like Gorgers, but Magic attacks is less available on Ogres than it is for say Khorne with the Bloodletters filling that role the Skullreapers could have filled, and the contact slow and aura slow working together is really significant and helps you really beat down on a unit that might be able to get away otherwise. Don't get me wrong, *I'm* going to buy all 3. I think they are all good. I just feel like your scores are very samey for weird reasons, and that is unhelpful for a review. I think the Ogre part of the DLC is at least as good as ToD Nurgle.

[@Dr.AvenVon]

honestly, disagree on the khorne part. skulltakers faction mechanics are really simple and boring, skullreapers and wrathmongers are both units that are not worth the money and are really redundant in the roster, the slaughterbrute is one of the worst monsters in the game right now and even the bloodbeasts don't seem to be all that good. only the khornegors and the bloodpriest are really good aditions. and 9 € for that? no, hard pass. and that is coming from someone who likes khorne more than any other faction. I also don't think that the khorne update was all that good. yes, make the strongest race in the game even stronger. genious

[@Gman909008]

Im sorry mate, but why would one complain abouy a parch? Whether it's a .1, .2, and 1.0 patch, a patch is a patch and if they benefit the work then it's a good thing yes? Great review!

[@przemek-v7k]

About Sofia CA, I guess they will start with bugfixes, later they will code whole DLC but I doubt both studios will work on same game for long. This may be difficult and I expect main studio to shift to new game instead.

[@tonymiller7446]

I agree completely about what you said about skaramor troops, should be stronger and better in woc

[@Phil_3491]

I do not get the Greenskin part in this. Not the actual content itself, the sole participation as a DLC candidat is kinda weird considering they were actually fine (few patch adjustments, yeah, but no rework/DLC needed). Rather have chosen Slaaneesh alongside Khorne and Ogre Kingdoms so that you have all the base WH3 factions with a rework/DLC.

[@farhadnikzad1514]

Still no news about a mechanic for all factions to recruit non-confederated already defeated legendary lords, such as the one introduced for the Dwarfs. And still no news about a mechanic to personalise or dynamize garrison armies or at least make them movable within the borders of their local regions.

[@krispypriest5116]

"If its bad, its bad. If its good, its good." G.B. Grudges. That's why your loyal fan base is here. Honesty!! Thanks again!

[@OiMitch]

I was hoping so much for greenskin reworks. Thats all i was hoping for. Give grimgore a mechanic dammit. Still happy they are doing better then shadows of change