How Valkia The Bloody Works With The New Units - Omens of Destruction - Total War Warhammer 3

[@TheGreatBookofGrudges]

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[@thehonestaspy102]

Hey Nathan, I heard you say one unit for the Beastman, does that mean those poor Khorne Minotaurs are still out of reach for everyones favourite angry bull?

[@ArneoVT]

I feel like if they are added to the warband they shouldn't just be ABOVE chosen, they're more side grades. Doing them as an expensive, but slightly earlier upgrade from marauders or warriors that can't become chosen would probably work better and feel more thematic imo

[@djn6962]

I agree. Marauders of Khorne having an alternate upgrade path to skullreapers, and then skullreapers upgrading to wrathmongers would have been a nice solution.

[@fiveforbiting]

"They". Nvm, the other reply clarified for you

[@imm3953]

Maurders should have to upgrade chains either Warriors > Chosen or Skullreapers > Wrathmongers.

[@zahel8516]

Sad to see she doesn't get the Skull Throne. Bloodletting isn't enough to make her Khornate enough imo, it's a very boring mechanic on its own. Frankly they should just allow people to start the campaign as WoC or Monogods with the CoC LLs and Sigvald, I still don't understand this was never a thing as you get that choice in custom battles.

[@Monkey_cracy]

Maybe just maybe they are waiting until they get every chaos god specific dlc out for some cross race confederation mechanic and be able to start as a Warrior faction or monogod faction

[@euychua]

It’s a bit messy to have them swap around but yea they might also be waiting for slaanesh so they can update all of em in 1 fell swoop

[@Scallywagz33]

I was thinking the exact same think watching this video, out of the four dedicated WoC lords, Valkia has the least interesting and least impactful ability and its disappointing for a lord I enjoy so much. I feel like bloodletting just doesn't work without the movement bonuses other khorne lords have. That said I am excited to play her again with all the new toys!

[@nobey1kanobey]

This makes a lot of sense. Hopefully a modder does this soon…

[@lordsloth9337]

If you ask me, she should have just been Monogod to begin with, same with the other characters from her DLC. I feel like it's muddied the waters way too much on what dictates when a character goes into Warriors of Chaos and when they go into a Monogod faction.

[@canislupus6789]

No skull throne for Valkia os a shame imo. Especially with festus having infections + plague cauldron, and villitch having his own changing of the ways using souls. Oh well :/

[@jordanbrandon81]

I think the Skullreapers should be a branch from Chaos Warriors. Have them evolve off from them and then they evolve into Wraithmongers. They seem to be classifying them as variations of Warriors and Chosen. So have them be an off shoot. The Bloodbeasts I could see branching off from Forsaken. An alternative evolution path to Spawn would be cool as they're more a stable evolution as opposed to the sentient tumors that are Spawn.

[@bummknallpeng4294]

You should pester CA about making her and the other CoC lords playable for the monogod factions while you're at it. Having warband upgrades may excellently match her theme and lore (accidental as that may have been) but that hardly makes up for missing out on stuff such as the skull throne. I apologize for being slightly hyperbolic here, but: If the main reason you'd be playing her over other 'Khorne-themed' factions that get more Khornd flavour is that she gets to mix in some stuff from other chaos factions - that doesn't match with the Khorne flavour - and the main reason why you'd pick her over other WoC factions that generally lean into mixing differently-flavoured chaos stuff is her Khorne flavour, why on earth would you ever pick her? If you're looking for Khorne flavour, you play monogod and if you wanna mix, you play Archaon, Bellyboi or Kholek. I really like the CoC characters but their mechanics being a watered-down mix of WoC and monogod never quite worked for me.

[@olafthemoose9413]

Having access to dark fortresses, gifts of chaos, the eye of the gods and the warband mechanic is 100% worth loosing the regular khorne mechanics. Her faction is the only faction that can still get access to the bane spear, probably the single most OP item in the game.

[@nahadoth2087]

You'd pick her because warriors of chaos and basic Khorne have completely different campaign mechanics. Personally I like the WoC play style a lot more than the Khorne one.

[@Chibling]

Getting access to mage heroes is worth it alone! Clustering up enemies with elite melee infantry seems like a shame without magic.

[@WhackyRavenLand]

Nice. Looking forward to this DLC :) Cheers from Norway

[@awesomeking6]

I forgot that she's a conehead 😂

[@Monkey_cracy]

With archaon getting them later i think he is going to have similar on tabeltop his Grande legion of the everchosen with everything demon ,Warriors ,Beastmen, chorfs,skaven,norsca Finally bring the real end times ( not that weird thing we all know called a fanfiction ) Warthmongers and Skullreapers being warband recruitment is a bit disappointing and i hope GW does no wacky stuff so we can upgrade them with warband upgrades in the near future The bloodspeaker not becoming a demon prince i can see why but still it's more fun be able to ascend. Valkia could have been given a small rework with better bloodletting .

[@xaviersavage8570]

I would call it fanfaction

[@MrVictor1227]

​@@xaviersavage8570 Cry

[@christiandauz3742]

Chaos has unlimited troops and limitless power Their victory is inevitable like Logan Paul vs a baby

[@xaviersavage8570]

@@MrVictor1227 I was doing a word game here, not sure why you talk about crying.

[@lordisen4668]

Skullreapers and Wrathmongers in their current implementation should definitely not be an upgrade from Chosen, because they are not strictly better than chosen. Especially skullreapers. That would be about a straight downgrade. Maybe have Wrathmongers be a choice at chosen tier and Skullreapers as a choice at warrior tier.

[@jarreththomson4535]

it's a small thing, but with your ms paint demonstration. i actually would put the skullreapers to the side of the aspiring champion, so that its a diagonal and up improvement from chosen. just to make it clear that aspiring champions and skullreapers are not the same thing

[@Bearyboo87]

Nathan remember to drink (WATER!) and have the odd nap, yeah?

[@thehonestaspy102]

I've never actually played as Valkia, and was really looking forward to trying her out after this DLC but I have mixed feelings now. It definitely seems like she's better but the lack of progression for the new Khorne units is a real shame as the warband progression is the main reason I play WoC. The lack pf access to the Skullthrone also seems odd for Khornes paragon and Bloodletting is a bit dull so I don't really see a reason to pick her over one of the actual Khornate factions.

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

A good way would be the bloodbeast being the upgrade version for the khorn chaos spown . While the skull reaper would be the upgrade of the chosen then the wrath mongers their expiring champion unit

[@gregoryshinn9805]

Thanks for the video

[@dtappsnz2735]

They are from one particular tribe. They are not the natural progression like Rot Knights. The way they have it now makes sense from a lore perspective, that every Chosen and Warrior of Khorne will not eventually become WMs and SRs.

[@Xelief]

Gameplay doesn't need to be 100% lore accurate.

[@dlogo96]

@@Xelief Its Total Warhammer, regardless if you like it or not, they will always try and be as lore accurate as possible with gameplay... you'd know this if you've played this game long enough.

[@assasinpasqua186]

Didn't the beastmen receive the minotaurs of khorne?

[@raindrain1]

Nope.

[@BattleVisionAZ]

They launched with that yes, this dlc adds the khorngors

[@dipdippotatochip9636]

It feels like every time they release a new DLC for a chaos faction the mortal units are never implemented into Chaos Warriors correctly. For both Shadows of Change and Thrones of Decay the god touched Gor units did not benifit from the Chaos Vanguard perk. I wouldn't be surprised if this was fixed in the next patch and yet is still in issue for when we get Slaangors.

[@dominiccote4494]

Anything on the beastman having access to Khorne minotaurs?

[@ooferdoofer7091]

You can recruit them if you get a landmark at the top right of the empire next to kislev I believe

[@nukinhunter8275]

Im curious, were an changes made to her bloodletting system? It never felt...great and very minor.

[@영섭현-c6u]

How do you get Skarr as Valkia?

[@Aliencommander1245]

It’s really weird you can use bloodspeakers and they get the standard boons of chaos stuff, but can’t ascend to daemon princes for whatever reason. I know khorne princes aren’t even that good, but it just feels odd to get that option but have them arbitrarily barred from a mechanic of the faction

[@brandor763]

Khornataurs for Beastmen?

[@raindrain1]

Yes, it's already been confirmed.

[@robovinefilms1811]

It's so awkward, LOL. Why are the Champions WoC? Maybe they wanted all four of the monogod reworks first? I'd be totally fine with Belekor being game three's sole contribute to WoC.

[@robovinefilms1811]

Festus can't even utilize the WoC gimmick of making vassals in the empire without a conceited effort to rush Norsca. Azazel's Ai is stuck at start trying to be Sigvald but has no Norscan clay to mold.

[@emile4249]

Are belacor and archaon not getting the new units?

[@BattleVisionAZ]

Not at launch unfortunately. I think they said they were planning on it

[@Grooviebones]

When Arbaal was revealed as a mortal Khorne LL I wondered what the distinction would be between the mortal Khornate Chaos Warrior Lord and the mortal Monogod Khorne lord. Very little apparently. Arbaal just looks like the way to go if you want to play mortals of Khorne despite Chaos Warriors supposedly being the mortals of chaos faction.

[@lazerrhino]

How do her and arbaal compare on a 1v1 scale though? Will arbaal be able to solo armies?

[@Grooviebones]

@@lazerrhino if 1 man doomstacks are how you have fun then go for it but I personally derive a lot of enjoyment from interactive campaign map choices and campaign mechanics, of which Arbaal has her beat to me, especially since her only mechanic now is bloodletting

[@Mrdizems]

So bad skullreapers and wraithmongers need there own line off of upgrades I know mods will fix it but I don’t want moders to do what ca should of done in the first place

[@Stuffystufferfield]

thank you! this is terrible news. the current warband system already feels a little awkward and now theyre bandaid slapping the mortal units in

[@4ArmedHug]

Can Archaeon or Bellakor, or Daniel not use the new units?

[@Booklat1]

archaon will get them eventually, but currently only valkia has it

[@jonasfull]

​@@Booklat1 daniel gets them too, the devs confirmed it

[@dac314]

They should also let you elevate daemon troops into better versions of themselves. What if you could take gold bar Bloodletters and exalt them? Wouldn't that make sense? Seems like a natural move.

[@inductivegrunt94]

Valkia is really cursed being a Warriors of Chaos Legendary Lord and not getting access to the Skull Throne mechanic, and stuck unable to get some of the new units via Warband Upgrades. It'd be really great if we could get Skullreapers and Wrathmongers via the Warband Upgrades rather than through the Warband Recruitment.

[@Cat-ee-jik6715]

no skull throne for valkia? :(:(:(

[@splash6117]

Man no skull throne for valkia? Festus got infections and reworked plagues :/

[@micpa3685]

ahhh yes new units for valkia from khorne dlcthat make her stronger on battlefield me who use only maruders with dual weapons whole campaign with most every lord yea im gonna use this units ( no probably)

[@nigeltownley7472]

No khorne minos for beastmen? wtf

[@BattleVisionAZ]

Minotaurs of khorne were available in the base game, this adds the khorngors

[@nigeltownley7472]

@BattleVisionAZ they're not available for beastmen in campaign still

[@deckardus-te2oo]

It's a shame that Valkia still isn't playable as a Khorne LL in the campaign. I still hope that Valkia and the other four monogod LLs will get the option to be playable as WoC LLs, but also as Monogod LLs in the campaign. Honestly, I have zero interest in playing this poor version of the Khorne LL in WoC. The fact that Arbaal and Valkia are in two different races is just bad game design.

[@Rich50v]

Splitting warriors of chaos and monogods doesn't make much sense to me from a mechanics standpoint, both end up losing out too much for no reason and it makes the whole system needlessly convoluted from a development point of view. Mono Nurgle should have Festus, Khorne should have Valkia, Tzeench should have Vilich, and Slaanesh Sigvald and Azazel. Demons of chaos should be renamed Chaos Undivided and have Daniel, Archaon, Kholek and Belakor. The warband recruitment system should be removed (RNG based recruitment is not fun) from both undivided and mono gods and instead it should be replaced with the upgrade system.

[@Firestata84]

Skullreapers and Wrathmongers are WORSE than Chosen, NOT better

[@nano1166]

Sad😢, they really need to buff them, or give them some resistances or something. They feel like a the old wh2 aspiring champions, look cool as hell 😎, but just perform sub-par at best compared to chosen. (Wh3 aspiring champions are awesome tho)

[@Nobdythere]

Are wrathmongers and skullreapers actually better than chosen though?

[@AndreiMatushenko]

They should but they dont)) i am also interested against who skullreapers were effective in Nathan's campaign) coz skullreapers lose to empire great swords. So...)))

[@alexandral8809]

Nathan's own testing showed they didn't do so hot in custom battles, but he also said they really shine in campaign with lords and technology buffing them up. They probably hit a much better stride with a Bloodspeaker Lord than what we've been shown in testing.

[@AndreiMatushenko]

@alexandral8809 i saw techs for khorne. There is not much for damage unfortunately. +8 anti infantry for units with dual weapons. I also not really like an idea that bloodspeaker is the only lord choice for skullreapers and wrathmongers to be effective at least noticably

[@bluebebop2337]

she still cant recruit chaos cult hero for khorne :( or the khorne demons

[@mondragonco]

Am I the only who think that "champions" should go back to their monogod faction?

[@maeburekaiser]

The Rotknnights just filled in the slot that the Skullcrushers already have for Khorne and Tzeentch. I never expected Khorne to get an additional Warband slot. Slaanesh will get one. This makes sense.

[@dualmonkeyx]

Seems very dissapointing compared to Festus's updates. No new units in the warbound upgrades. No version of skull throne mechanic. Was her version of bloodletting even changed??? Hopefully these are things that can be addressed in a hotfix update. They mentioned they have plans to update Archaon with the new units but why not the other undivided WoC? Oh well. We'll have to wait and hope they listen to feedback.

[@darthkraven3257]

Well if CA doesn't add them to the warband upgrade system, there is no much problem without a doubt at least one modder will add them to it, and also probably give access to them for the Undivided Legendary Lords, (Archaon, Be'lakor and Kholek).

[@christiandauz3742]

CA has stated that the Everchosen will have these units later down the line Archaon's army should be the most versatile of all the Chaos armies

[@darthkraven3257]

@christiandauz3742 yeah I know I meant for a time modded for him until its official and them only Be'lakor and Kholek modded.

[@posterus4413]

I do want Valkia to have more natural access to the new units but also for the Undivided factions tog et access to the dlc stuff as well. I feel like that just makes sense. I also want to play a Be'lakor campaign and just toss in all the legendary heroes from all the chaos gods into his army. Hoping for a legendary Nurgle hero that the factions other than Tamurkhan can use.

[@darthnihilus6211]

She (and undivided LLs) should get these warband upgrades in their Khorn trees. This is probably why Valkia doesn't have them herself. CA wants to exclude all the Undivided characters (except Archaon) from the new Khorn units. They probably haven't figured this out for now. Maybe include these units in the warband system, but lock them behind Research or Lord Skills?

[@raindrain1]

So long story short Valkia gets nothing from the DLC besides new units she can't access before midgame? That sucks.

[@sassysaddles9981]

Her and sylostra are pretty annoying to listen to

[@f1sherman52]

Chaos Undivided is getting kind of boring

[@Hourvary]

meh, Arbaal shouldve been woc

[@theniceadmiral8488]

Please give us the skull throne And upgrades PLEASE!!!

[@MarkyMcOliver]

Not going to lie…actually kinda angry that WoC got shafted with Khorne here

[@rronnie8883]

Arbaal should've been a woc character i'm not the best when it comes to the lore but with all his unit buffs he should've been placed under them instead of khorne

[@Lord0x]

funny thing about Arbaal is that he lead daemons not mortals

[@DerSteppenwolf1979]

Omens and patch 6.0 are looking very underwhelming