Bob & Ramon Show EP.15 - Could this be Eric Claptons lost Les Paul Guitar???

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[@bobburke1799]

Ok..when we gonna call Clapton ❓

[@chuckschillingvideos]

There are plenty of things one can call him...

[@cicimbello]

Call Eric!

[@jono1457-qd9ft]

​@@chuckschillingvideos God.😄

[@ScottAbene]

"You're a fuckin' Aweful Luthier" :) Brilliant!

[@TheGuitarShow]

lol

[@frankdardano3182]

There is no way to prove its claptons.serial number? I can't be sure.either can you. I have several friends who might own it going by your aspects.we can tell what year it is. I have a 81 les paul by serial Numbers and a 2020 sg, I ALWAYS BUY NEW,THAT HELPS! When you break the neck,good luck trying to sell that axe.you would be lucky to get a fifth of price.the neck is so important,its always going to have problems l fear.

[@georgew.morrowiii118]

No matter the opinion of this particular guitar, you never fail in presenting quality, informative, and interesting content.

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks George!

[@egnbigdave]

Just a thought (and Im no expert). Could the fact the serial number being obscured/removed point towards it being stolen at some point, to cover its identity?

[@jimherleva4541]

Possibly, but it is worth considering that a headstock break might have been replaced with a remade headstock - so no serial number. Paul Kossoff's 59 is the same, broken stock replaced by a custom stock - no serial number.

[@egnbigdave]

@@jimherleva4541 True, but the fact that there apears to be a "ghost" of what could be a serial number does raise questions

[@jimherleva4541]

@@egnbigdave Well, that does change things. Must have missed that bit!

[@mrmanch204]

I would have thought a Luthier capable of repairing a neck break would be able to avoid sanding off the serial number and know it is important to preserve the identity of the guitar..... This is a great presentation, thanks boys.

[@wallywanker7435]

@@mrmanch204 not so much, back then no one cared about serial numbers ,it was just a guitar . No one knew 60 years later they would be what they are today. Could of gobbled it with glue took it to a sander and smoothed it all out not careing about serial numbers or if it shaved the headstock down a little.

[@joeg5507]

Thieves have tend to remove serial numbers, just sayin'.

[@ronfrey5327]

Yes and overspray them no kidding this guitar is STOLEN and they know it which makes me wonder about why they would do this to begin with nothing worse on earth then a thief.. except maybe someone holding a stolen guitar back and I have no respect for either one lower then snake shit.........

[@jimherleva4541]

Not necessarily, Paul Kossoff's '59 has no serial number because the headstock break was replaced with a remade headstock, not the original one - so no serial number.

[@fongy200]

@@jimherleva4541 Now you mention it, didn't Kossoff get a 58 Burst from Clapton?

[@connor_selby]

@@fongy200 yes the dark burst that Paul Rodgers after kossoffs death owned until 2000ish and is now owned by a private collector as far as I know

[@privateprivate4378]

I can appreciate that obsession takes you down a few roads, but: You are DEAD WRONG about your statement that a broken neck could conceivably "Help" a guitar's sound. Whether or not it becomes 'stronger', the flow along the grain of the wood that transports the vibration of the strings is forever clipped by any breakage. If Jimmy Page's is like that, it is absolutely irrelevant what he thinks it's effect is, since he's a tone-moron. Additionally, there is NO WAY you can tell by cursory observation, just how adroitly any given 'reset' gluing has been enacted on the neck. Gluing only makes a neck 'stronger' IF it is done in a most skillful way. In the majority of cases, the impact of the fall shatters the wood in the neck, making at tonally physical reset out-of-the realm of possibility. That is why, modern necks have a large 'bump at the neck/headstock joint, so that they stand a chance of surviving a knock onto the floor, without breaking at just that point. Most guitarists who get that breakage ditch that guitar as a mainstay. If Clapton's Beano guitar is ever found, it has likely been modified/reworked beyond retrieval of it's iconic sonic impact. As for your obsession with the details of the differences between various guitar's years, you fail to to obey the Cardinal rule of historical summary, and abstain from tone irrelevancy: The type of knobs on a guitar has no impact on its sound, nor does nearly any detail about its finish, unless it's finished in a layer of creosote. No Gibson or Fender bridge from that era was intonated properly, and all need to be updated with an appropriate one that will give it accurate intonation, increased sustain, and wider frequency range. Tuners? I'll save that for another day, but 'vintage tuners' have never been where it's at! Clapton has stated that: "All Marshall's sound different." Of course they do, because, as Jim Marshall has stated, he's had to scour the world for parts, that come and go 'out-of-stock' to keep up with demand for his amps. Only boutique amp builder's like Howard Dumble have ever done enough research on just what kind of components to use in a given guitar amplifier. The guitar that Slowhand played on 'Beano' was mainly notable for it's strong treble bite. Actually, very few LP's have that characteristic, so the hunt-goes-on for just how to get that kind of attack, sustain, and tone that he had, because, as he's stated that he got that sound without any treble-booster pedal employed, only referencing that he used the bridge pickup. Lastly I'm going to make the point, that the entire concept of 'vintage' amps and 'vintage' guitars in a complete misnomer, because it implies that, like fine wines, there is something inherently magical in the aging process of the physical instruments/amps. This is BULLSH*T!!! There is none! The only reason that expression ever got traction, is from SOME superior manufacturing techniques, parts, or wiring, etc. etc. that were employed (at times sporatically) in the days of yore. So little is actually known about just how each and every, often hand built guitar or amp was assembled, often varying from item to item, that it is a daunting task to theorize about just what did, in fact, impact the tone and playability of the gear of yore. P.S. The first electric guitar ever invented by Les Paul himself (there was no other), was as 4" by 4" block of wood with tuners at one end, a bridge at the other, and a phonograph needle 'stuck' into the wood to generate an amplifiable signal. The practice of 'set-necks' from Gibson, and 'bolt-ons' from Fender was ENTIRELY a compromise in quality and craftmanship with the desire to save money in manufacturing, enabling companies to sell at a lower price-point. A thru-neck guitar, just as the first electric guitar was, yields tremendous improvements in sustain, frequency response, tonality, upper fret access, and playability, to all other approaches. It just costs more money to build, but is far less so with today's manufacturing methods. Therefore, I don't even look in Gibson's or Fender's direction for a quality, uncompromised tonally superior instrument.

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks for your point of view

[@johnmirabile3535]

Theres a video on youtube of a guy playing 5 reissues, and an original '60.....The guy is playing over Id Rather Go Blind with all of them.....The '60, looks. sounds, and in my opinion theres a chance its the Beano burst....Call it a hunch....lol

[@marcomodena8076]

Noto con piacere che al giorno d'oggi chi imbraccia una Les Paul e suona del Buon Blues ha i Capelli Grigio/Bianchi , e ci sono anch'io ! Purtroppo tanti giovani non hanno più la Fantasia di diventare dei BluesMen e stiamo diventando sempre più rari . Io ad esempio é una vita che studio e suono il Blues e mi sento depositario di una Cultura Antica e Rara . Un caloroso Saluto a tutti i Fratelli Chitarristi , Buona Musica 🤙🙋🏻‍♂️🎸❤🎸🙋🏻‍♂️🤙

[@bobburke1799]

1983"- where was i ? Shredding'! with Eddie van Halen' ! Bitches' ! 🎸🎶🇺🇸🗽o.m.g.!..🎸🎉🎈

[@toneman335]

Too many "may bees", could bees, and "might bees" in this video.

[@TheGuitarShow]

Definitely maybe

[@trevorclarey3336]

& jelly babies.

[@sidewaysrain7609]

Respectfully if you do not understand the physics in pulling a wire in a straight line as opposed to bending it around a corner you must not have been a very good professor! If you play jazz guitar and never bent a string then you not stretching the string string stretch from their anchor points for the brake angle definitely makes a difference.

[@bobburke1799]

R.i.p.Eddie van Halen' yes !! i like you guys ! 👍..from an American 🇺🇸

[@thecaveofthedead]

Top-wrapping should decrease the _downward_ force of the strings from force vectors as the break-angle decreases, no? Whether that makes any difference to the feel of the strings or the body resonance they pick up through the bridge, I don't know. I top-wrap. And it's satisfying to have the tailpiece screwed down flat. But I don't claim it makes any difference to feel or tone. I do it because it's kind of fun. Which is a damn good reason.

[@Rockbeareguitars]

thecaveofthedead Completely agree with you on this. Each to their own 👍

[@trevorclarey3336]

If it's not the Beano It might be the Dandy, (that's for the old folks.)

[@BossHossStudios]

Use a different spectrum of light and you can read the serial number.

[@kenwhaley7350]

i didnt see any extra tuner holes or evidence of being filled and why would there be indentations in the serial number when its inked? just curious, have to see it i guess

[@mysticmusic6045]

There would be no indentation because the serial number would have been inked on

[@WillyKidd]

Great video, thanks. However... 13:45 -- that's a Gibson T Top, no? T markings very visible...

[@deanallen927]

Looks like an '80s Tokai headstock - it's narrower.

[@tree267]

If this can be proven to be a stolen Clapton guitar, then under UK law it belongs to him still. AFAIK there is no statue of limitations on theft (or anything else for that matter) in the UK, so even though it was 50 plus years ago it doesn’t matter. Of course, proving it would be next to impossible probably. Top wrap for me all day long by the way.

[@Rainman270]

How do you Clapton didn’t sell it a baggie of H ? I don’t think Clapton was known for being too lucid back then. He sometimes performed while playing on his back.

[@ernieflanaganstingraybassm1463]

My Les-Paul is real 1959 and the 1960's some were mixed 60 body,59 necks. Nice guitar my friends, ps i had a 59 les paul jr Tobbaco sunburst and i had it leaning against my white Marshall stack and it fell over and the headstock broke off. cause back in the 70s my Jr was purchased from my dads guitar player and i had it fixed by one of the only certified luthers and amp repairs in Chicago, Il ps i still have my flame top 59 that my dad gave me when i was seven........

[@richardleonardhill]

One area of guitar identification that often gets overlooked is the uniqueness of the fret marker inlays. The markers on Les Pauls are helpful in this area due to their large size. The individuality of each inlay is often captured very well in photographs and as both missing instruments would have been photographed many times this may help you guys further with your investigations. Good luck, and thanks for a very enjoyable video.

[@irishmuso7129]

19:45 You mean if you lay out £200k for a Les Paul you still have to practice?

[@bradt.3555]

Oh and if it is Clapton's, you can't legitimately buy a stolen guitar. so if it is it needs to be returned to Eric. Can't believe you guy's are treating it like it's ok cause somebody bought it. If you had one stolen would you accept that it now belongs to whoever bought it?????

[@bobburke1799]

I really enyoed you guys'! & man! you guys can play ! I'm coming out with a book soon i hope you guys will check it out..R.W.Burke. 🎸🎶🍻fucking ! A' -! 🇺🇸 Eddie v.halen.4 ever ! 😢

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks Bob 🙏🙏🙏

[@mikeshweeng]

The real reason to top wrap is related to the fact that some set ups cause the strings to sit on the edge of the bridge due to the angle coming out of the tail piece. The angle plus that tension / friction against the bridge will cause the string to snap at that point of contact. So if you don't want to raise your tail piece, then top wrap is your next option. Case closed.

[@michaelclark2357]

who will pay that kind of money for a guitar I bought a Fender Stratocaster 1959, for $225.00 they say it is worth 20K and I bought that guitar in Oakland, Ca in 1971 then in those days vintage gear was only 10 years old then I had a bandmaster 1965, bought for $175.00 those were the days to buy real vintage gear

[@johnbristow4981]

Great playing gentlemen!!! A most interesting program!! Well done!!! Sounds to me like this guitar was heavily gigged for the amount of wear in 12 years. Would infer that the guitar was probably played 7 days a week 6+ hours a day. Not played by a weekend warrior. That's just my opinion for what it's worth!!

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks John

[@jerryfraker377]

That's not claptons guitar. I know who has it.

[@These_go_to_eleven_1959]

I have been "Top wrapping" the strings on my LP's for years and when i was asked why i did it i told the guy "To just Piss people off"!🤣

[@TheGuitarShow]

Haha classic!

[@philfrank9226]

Horrible performance by the old man.

[@Shagohod1897]

I've got news for Physics Boomer on the left. I may not have a degree in engineering, but I have played guitar for over 20 years and top wrapping does alter the sound. You hear less of the fundamental, and more of the string itself. It notches the tone closer to the PRS / Fender-y side of the spectrum.

[@TheGuitarShow]

I agree I love top wrapping

[@Fugettaboutit]

Just the first 30 seconds of this vid....a PRS will NEVER sounds like that, as nice as they are.

[@alistairallen829]

Its quite obviousley not the Beano, as the back was badly belt scored, eric also carved EC his initials, where the neck meets the body. The guy who owns it now has put the Humbucker cover back on covering a white humbucker, so why bother. I believe Joe B, that it is in the US.

[@TheGuitarShow]

It is in London.

[@ToddTheJoker]

What I wish you would have commented on is if the original neck PAF pickup was all white covered..that would put it towards the Beano Burst corner I think. Cool video. Be great to know what happened to that guitar.

[@willwye410]

Just seen this (better late than never) & it reminds me of another '59 thats been hidden within the M25 since the 1970s. My brothers one is up for sale at Dore & Rees in March 2022.

[@RedArrow73]

15:10 - A 'swaybacked' bridge.

[@EvilUncleGeddy]

Great and interesting video. Im convinced that a lot of the people that are negative or insulting in the comments haven't even watched the whole video. It seems to be the curse of the interweb

[@thomasfreytag6784]

Hi, I saw that already some people mentioned that this likely is not the Summers Burst, as it is (was) lately owned by Drew Berlin, one of the Burst Brothers (vintage Les Paul collectors/dealers). Let me give you guys some more details about what public information is available: In the Burst Believers II book, which was published by Vic DaPra in 2014, Drew wrote a feature article on this very guitar on page 14 and 15 where he explains the story of the Summers Burst guitar, featuring high resolution pictures of its current state. Here is quoted what he had to say about its time after Clapton: "Okay, so it's clear that this Burst was used on Fresh Cream, but why was it not used again in the rest of Cream's short-lived career? In trying to understand these facts for myself, I traced the path this Burst took to New York City, 1967, where Eric and Cream were at the time. The road crew dropped the Fresh Cream/Summers Burst, and the headstock broke off. They then brought it to Dan Armstrong to have it repaired. He in turn, gave it to the best luthier in New York City, for whom no job was impossible. His name is Matt Umanov. Matt was very young when he discovered his talent for luthiery. The combination of his skills and talent were brought to the attention of world-class guitar players in need of the best sounding instruments. He quickly gained the reputation as the go-to guy in the New York area for restoration and repair of pre-war to current musical instruments. So Matt was clearly the guy to turn to in this situation. So here's where the story gets interesting. When Dan Armstrong asked Matt to take up the challenge and repair the broken headstock, Matt realised at the time that the headstock could no longer be grafted back on to the guitar, due to the severity of the break. He then asked Dan if he could get creative with this project, to which Dan gave his approval. With Matt's history of passion and appreciation for pre-war Gibson mandolins, he thought it would be cool to replace the headstock with a Gibson F4 mandolin headstock. And so it was to be." The article ends at this point and doesn't give any further details on what happened after the repair, and why or when Clapton didn't use the guitar any more after the repair, however the photos in the book show details of the headstock. It is as described by Drew a flourished F4-mandolin styled headstock, with Eric Clapton inlayed instead of the Gibson Logo and a weird looking inlay, which seems to be a shilouette of a female head wearing a laurel wreath or crown, like some design one would find on an old metal coin. There is also a high resolution picture of the figuring on the top on this guitar, next to the black and white picture of Andy Summers playing it, and the grain matches up pretty well, not to mention open coil double black PAFs as Clapton used to play it. Honestly, I find the headstock weird and that might be a reason that Eric let it go, but the Burst itself is incredible. Crazy figuring, intense tomato soup colouring and of course highest provenance.

[@kravitz1999]

Great post man! Vic DaPra owes you a Christmas ham because I'm buying that book series! Thanks again for the info!

[@johnbristow4981]

​@@kravitz1999 👍

[@dukeford8893]

Well, that's an interesting story, but some of the pictures I've seen of Eric playing the guitar quite obviously show a (poorly) repaired Les Paul headstock break, the headstock having the usual open-book top, "Les Paul Model" and Gibson logo.

[@ianhumm531]

Apparently Clapton knows the whereabouts of the beano burst and says it’s still in London.as to why he never pursued it is another matter

[@ericbitzer5247]

Ha, maybe Clapton pulled the pickup cover off!

[@TheGuitarShow]

Could be!

[@MaceoLaban]

This is definitely neither the Beano nor the Summers. Nevertheless, the history of this guitar is certainly very interesting.

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks 🙏🎸

[@mikebrison1838]

I have CNA on my underpants. Are they worth a lot in the vintage market?

[@toivonencresto]

I’ve just seen a Rick Beato video in which his friend says that talked with a person that has seen Beano in person ;) maybe Beano merges from the dark!!!

[@fongy200]

Rick Beato's a bit of a pillock. A pillock with a nice studio and some nice gear but damn he's annoying.

[@bradt.3555]

Thank you, for a given scale and string gauge, TENSION IS PITCH! Now with top wrap it may slip thru the bridge when you bend giving the sense of less tension, BUT you have to bend further to get to pitch, Oh yea, that requires tension! HA HA! So many myths on the internet. Like pots sounding different, or capacitors, or a 6 inch piece of wire! OR, YES, WOOD DOESN'T MATTER! If you understand physics wood has a major effect on the tone of an electric guitar.

[@MichaelWatts]

“We’ll do a zoom” Doesn’t do a zoom Now I’m sad...

[@TheGuitarShow]

You can't always get what you want (M. Jagger circa 1967)

[@putzengiler]

There probably wouldn't have had as many neck breakages back in the day if they had good strap locks and locking Hercules style guitar stands...

[@funeralbillii9172]

And much less drugs, lol

[@OneandOnlyBugaw]

what happened to this guitar any 2022 year ender updates? cheers!

[@TheGuitarShow]

I'll let you know any new info I promise.

[@SirVicc]

One question, what color is the original neck PAF? That would be a huge clue.

[@stevetool7023]

White.

[@BeesWaxMinder]

Later on in the comments section they say Black..🤷‍♂️

[@Mikeyorkmusic]

There’s still a C+A in Amsterdam: Damrak 79, 1012 LM Amsterdam, Netherlands

[@fostexfan160]

Just read an article by Tony Bacon where he states that the summers burst is owned by musician and collector Drew Berlin?

[@riche.6660]

Late to this party but just to add my 2 cents. There are 2 pictures (at 31.13 & 32.55) of Clapton playing a burst that has no poker chip and no knurled retaining nut. If the guitar in question is one of these guitars that might explain why the poker chip is a replacement and why it has a hex nut instead of the correct knurled nut. It also has black bobbins on the Bridge pick up like this guitar has.

[@ziggylayneable]

Did someone write on the wall in excrement behind you guys? If so that's really rude.

[@TheGuitarShow]

You ll never appreciate Pollock then

[@bobburke1799]

Fascinating ! i texted joe Bonnamasa'!..👍🇺🇸

[@fongy200]

I do believe you boys have no jurisdiction here, now you just back on up before we have some lead flying in your direction. Only kidding 😀

[@jamesspinella2037]

I don't think that is the Beano Guitar, the reason being is that the flat head slots on the tailpiece are in a completely different direction. Also, there is a distinct markdown by the tailpiece you don't see

[@TheGuitarShow]

Good point thanks

[@gdasilva]

I got no horse in this race but according to Bonamassa and some of his fellow guitar nerds, it has been said that the Beano guitars resides in a collection in the East Coast of the US. No names and locations mentioned. Sad because it would be an iconic piece of history we could all appreciate. Whether or not Bonamassa's info is right or accurate... your guess is as good as mine.

[@StevenCarinci]

Legally does Clapton have any rights upon it? It was stolen and you can't resell stolen material.

[@TheSavagederek]

Bonamassa is an idiot.

[@gdasilva]

@@TheSavagederek that could be the case in general. But when it comes to collecting he is connected into the weeds and closest circles. I do wish that guitar would surface. It’s iconic.

[@rsears78]

Cambridge Maryland

[@dukeford8893]

@@rsears78 Is that where DZ lives?

[@bobburke1799]

Oh ! Call joe Bonnamasa'! he will call Clapton ! 👍

[@bigbaby9189]

Clapton will see who’s calling and ignore haha! Jokes

[@gadilauer]

Thank you for 41 very enjoyable minutes. Bob you knowledge about these guitars is fantastic.

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks!

[@lanetacker1496]

Did the Mate that owns this sell it or keep it??

[@SagaMediaNet]

Frailers is in Runcorn :) but only started operating in 1983 Curlys Music is in Liverpool - Started 1978

[@BeesWaxMinder]

I was in Curlys the other day👍

[@grimmmstudios2367]

Could probably be identified as Summers burst by inlays, they have a pretty good fingerprint. Wonder if Ramon remembers playing my Beck replica? how does the neck compare to Bob's 58?

[@grimmmstudios2367]

Also, didn't Manzanera play Summers burst in Roxy Music?

[@Lensman864]

FFS Ramon! Stop moving a live microphone.

[@TheGuitarShow]

opps, sorry!

[@fongy200]

Telecasters in my opinion that have a top loading Bridge sonicaly sound no different to a through body.

[@nickp1548]

'sounds like the pickup's been in the guitar for a long time'!!!!??? Ahhh yes, that bedded in pickup tone!

[@jazzymay89]

I heard Ginger Baker sold it for drugs, and it was lost in a fire.

[@TheGuitarShow]

I dont think personally that's true - but that is one of the stories that is going around. I have heard on very good authority it's still in London

[@Meddled]

White shirt guy needs to dial back on the blue Smarties.

[@TheGuitarShow]

😂

[@DoctorEnigma01]

😂😂😂

[@ericbitzer5247]

Hey, I found something you might be interested in from Gibson themselves. I was looking at Gibson Custom 60th anniversary Les Paul and this is what the description said: Les Paul standards from the first third of 1960 (V1) had the same specs as their 1959 counterparts, while the middle (V2) introduced thinner neck profiles, different knobs and brighter colors. The final third (V3) brought about some of the thinnest necks Gibson ever produced, accompanied by wide, colorfast sunburst finishes. That's from Gibson themselves so I hope this helps.

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks for this Eric

[@jasonwright7513]

Very informative video in any case. Doesn't Joe Bonomassa purport to know the location of the "Beano Burst" in America NOT the UK? I may be the other burst that Andy Summers sold Clapton. In any event that guitar was definitely stolen at some point.

[@dave.harmon]

Did the blacklight pick up anything of the serial number?

[@TheGuitarShow]

Hi David - From what I remember - no it did not

[@These_go_to_eleven_1959]

@@TheGuitarShow did you try the pencil trick where you put a piece of paper over what you are trying to see and take a pencil and use the side of the graphite point of the to rub on the paper. it there is any indentation left at all this will definitely show what was there.

[@MrLooperg]

Wether or not this was Clapton’s guitar, it was an enjoyable watch anyway.

[@david_a_uno]

17:15 My Les Paul finally plays in tune, since I began wrapping the strings across the top. Go figure.

[@funeralbillii9172]

Mine too.

[@frankscutari9516]

I want to play guitar just like the guy on the left he's awesome!

[@frankscutari9516]

You're very welcome

[@stevesuv]

the summers burst does not seem to have the les paul model silk screen either.

[@TheGuitarShow]

That's true

[@AnnemarieStanton]

I thi k ther was a finger print at the pickup or something ...it looks like it though !

[@TheGuitarShow]

yes its hard to tell from available photos

[@AnnemarieStanton]

Claptons has a small knick on the treble side of the headstock you can see at the front !

[@ryanhaviland8762]

What’s the update on this guitar? Is it for sale?

[@SlydeChaplain]

Most enjoyable! Top-wrapping does give about a 1/2 inch more of string, no? Not playable string, but still more. As far as perceived feel, perhaps could contribute to slightly more “slink”?

[@overdriveguitarchannel3403]

I'm sure the number was removed cuz it was stolen

[@MrCherryJuice]

C&A , for you British, was actually a Dutch store, not British. Founded in Germany, Dutch owned, HQ'd in Belgium. 🙂

[@fongy200]

That era of Gibson would have the original Seth Lover PAF's.

[@dukeford8893]

Without watching the whole thing, the Summers burst had a headstock break that was ultimately unrepairable. I recall reading somewhere (probably on one of those Les Paul forums) that the guitar has been identified and it does have a replaced neck with no serial number. As far as the Beano is concerned, I'd bet that DZ has it in his collection, and Joe B. knows it and somebody got in his ear and made him walk back his comments.

[@GrovesGuitars]

Looking at how the back plates are sitting proud, you’d have to assume it’s a full refin, unless there’s so much overspray on the shoulders of the cavities that it’s making them sit proud. My 2cents.

[@scotthancock5335]

Fucking awful Luthier most guitar repair experts are NOT ELECTRONICS experts this was probably done by the owner.... Seymour started US winding service in 76'

[@sharonlee4773]

Too much Cork Sniffing here! Zzzzzzz

[@metalmulisha0143]

2 more huge telltale signs you didn't go into - the neck tenon on the tomato soup 60 Les Pauls (later 1960) were a short cut off tenon as opposed to a 59 with the long tenon. That would instantly tell you the year or at least give you a better idea. Also the original neck pickup bobbin colour as the tomato soup 60 would only be black coils as on the summer's/fresh cream burst. On late 1960 Les Pauls, the reflector knobs would also be there as on the summer's guitar, but as the pots have been messed with and one changed, it'd be feasible that the original knobs were also changed.

[@BeesWaxMinder]

They state, later on in the comments section, that both bobbins are Black👍

[@mezzoca8110]

Just very good repros. Not that it matters as it's a bit like a painter doing a good copy of a Van Gogh or Rembrandt. Eric's original style is copied by everyone now but it's not original. The guitar isn't the star to be fair. You couldn't give them away back in 1962. I have an original 65 Les Paul burst.very valuable only 2 of them ever made.

[@lincolnosiris3665]

Somehow is everybody looking for the Beano burst...except Clapton. How does that add up?

[@stevesuv]

You guys got the trash. There is a picture of Lennnons 325 Rickenbacker 3 years before he bought as new in Hamburg. The picture is in Andy Babiuks book with Toots Thielmans. American companys would go to Namm, and sell the stuff they could not unload and ship it to the UK. It was already old. You guys got the SHAFT!

[@stonodo]

Very enjoyable video. Do you have any updates on the origins of this guitar? Has a follow up video been made? Thanks!

[@rodgermingaye]

Staggering depth of knolwledge displayed here But i still wonder what it really is Maybe we'll never know!

[@agcacustoms2852]

Awesome guitar, honestly it could be Lil Waynes guitar(not that he could play it) but honestly it doesnt matter cause that is a beautiful old Les Paul in a somewhat original state. Love your videos and keep up the investigation, even if it isn't Eric's guitar you might just find that holy grail.

[@TweedSuit]

It's a Chibson.

[@johnmundt7834]

Possible, considering Lennon’s J160 only recently showed up again.

[@therover4141]

The original bridge may have started collapseing top wrapping helps those old ABR1 bridges from collapseing.

[@chingasofarkaso]

This was absolutely fascinating, guys. Thank you for doing this!

[@MoPomer]

Dick Knight, a British luthier, was making sun burst copies in 72 (I'm told, but fat lot I know). I think he made one for Keef, as well as a few others. That's where (and when) mine is from. His work tends to fall apart at the seem, which is how a few of his have been exposed.

[@fedup3449]

But surely I could make exactly the same video. I could just make stuff up and my words would be the same as yours. Not being critical but without provenance there is nothing.

[@Johnny-oy9fh]

The backs been oversprayed too

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks Johnny

[@matthajba1075]

With top wrapping Les Pauls I don't know about the slinkiness, but mine definitely holds tune much much better top wrapped.

[@TheGuitarShow]

Thanks Matt yes theres less friction.