A video about the compatibility of GEN 5 engine parts in a GEN 3/4 LS based block. Sorry for the long video but it's packed with good info. Any questions, comment below.
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@SloppyMechanics5 жыл бұрын
cleveland head stud thing would be really cool!
@Aseutester5 жыл бұрын
Hear Hear.
@MrTydriver5 жыл бұрын
Holy information overload Batman !! This was an impressive display of knowledge... Thank you for sharing..
@kevinbowers39175 жыл бұрын
"Cut with a hatchet". Love it. Excellent info, keep em' coming,ed.
@diyguy60545 жыл бұрын
Best informational video I've seen in a long time.
@Aseutester5 жыл бұрын
Great work bloke, keep us posted on this Mix and match GM parts engine!
@mikereasoner48145 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your time and all that information 👍
@Mike-xt2ot5 жыл бұрын
GM should hire you. You're a secret genius!!!! Great job.
@enigmacamaro5 жыл бұрын
with this kind of information this man need way way way more subscribers
@johnsteenland1292 Жыл бұрын
Thehouseofboost thank you very much for making this video!! Awesome info, I'd love to see more of these!!
@jeffgraham485 жыл бұрын
Awesome info!!.Really cool to put info out there. Ty
@shannonsisk5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing all of this great info! 🤘
@jaribarevalo5315 жыл бұрын
good breakdown havent seen many videos like this one
@1panboy5 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for a new video to see how it all comes together and see how it works! Holding out till i see if the lt stuff works to build my 5.3! Pretty damn cool
@coltnewton73685 жыл бұрын
Awesome information, thanks!
@davidcallahan51575 жыл бұрын
Awesome information thanks for sharing.
@codemanrose5 жыл бұрын
Wow. Bravo! This info is great!
@wayfastwhitey455 жыл бұрын
Your finger at the 6:00 mark made me laugh. Never seen one that could bend that much.
@philbetthauser95475 жыл бұрын
Great information! 👍
@codyjordanful5 жыл бұрын
This is going to keep me from sleeping. i have a great hook up on LT4 rods new take outs and im just getting started on a gen 3 6.0 turbo build. cant wait to see what you find out on the balance deal. looking for pistons now. thanks for all the foot work.
@petrieperformance24104 жыл бұрын
Any chance i can buy some lt4 rods from you?
@brianpowers100 Жыл бұрын
absolutely great information.
@jasons86305 жыл бұрын
Excellent videos brother thanks man
@corwininadsm5 жыл бұрын
too bad you don't make more video's this is great stuff!
@colinw72055 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dario for confirming for me that the Gen 4 LH8 block is indeed stronger than the Gen 3 L33 block esp. as a high boost turbo platform. I was always a fan of the LS factory iron blocks for strength and cheapness but not a fan of the additional 100 lbs that came with strength. My goal is to do a twin turbo 5.3 LS swap for my Gen 2 LT1 in my '95 Caprice 9C1 for Auto X and road course track days not so much drag racing. So weight and balance is more of an issue.
@motherlovinsnuffstar Жыл бұрын
You're the man Dario!
@luckautofab44615 жыл бұрын
That's great to know 100% I had heard the crank and rods where pretty much the same.. I don't know the lt cranks where forged that's cool.. I think the lt4 rods are bigger then the stock lt1.. Same as lsa rods vs ls9 from what little I've looked into it.. now you have my curiosity level up think I'll have to research some more on this lol
@realbigdady5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, good to know.
@ryanmerriott11895 жыл бұрын
Hey great video! Can we please get a part number for the LT4 rods?
@Dirtfloorfab5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad your back filming I really like this form of build where your making stuff work. Just curious you made the comment as long as you can keep the heads down why not use gen 5 5.3 and convert back to port Injection. I know the DI stuff is hard on intake valves but it seems the new stuff has canted valves not super noticeable but it's like 10* opposed. Also note the ports on the intake are moved upward. Also don't know if the 5.3 blocks have it (I have heard they have and haven't) but gen 5 is supposed to have piston oil squirters which will keep cylinder temp down for higher boost. Another thing that I don't know if it transferred from lt to truck block is that the head bolts are larger in size by 1mm all those things may be worth looking into. I'd really like to get the lv3 v6 for my regal wagon to have a 4.3 v6 to keep the "heritage" of Buick
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Dirtfloorfab I plan to go to the LT platform in my car eventually, ict billet makes intake adapters to use an ls7 intake on a LT, they are far superior platform, they just need to become more affordable
@Dirtfloorfab5 жыл бұрын
@@Thehouseofboost I know what you mean about the affordability part, this video peaked my interest so I quick got on car-part after to look for a gen 5 4.3(lv3) found one for 680 semi local...... It was sold... I'm kind of hesitent to dive into the v6 stuff cause I know there won't be much aftermarket for them aside from what will transfer from it's bigger brother. But someone's gotta do it I guess. Most of the l83s are going for 2500$-3000 around me which is a ways out of my reach
@Burndown5 жыл бұрын
Nice video man! Thank you for the info! Its guys like you that make hot rodding accessible to the little guy!!! Keep it up. You doing LS Fest again in 2019?
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Dane Thompson yes we are planning on it.
@brentspence33795 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dario!
@Albertozco845 жыл бұрын
Great, now I have a dilemma. Finish my 05 LQ4 or build one of these since I have a gen 4 aluminum 5.3 and the same pistons you are using. Maybe I'll start with the LQ4 and when/if dies I'll have one of these hybrid blocks ready. Thanks for the great info!
@user-sc2ml7bd6x8 ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat, have an LQ4 and LS1 block, want to build a bigger inch stroker for a T-56 GTO, thinking about using a Speedmaster block or GenV 5.3 sleeved or L8T bored to 4.125" and want to use a normal bolt pattern cheaper 4.125" LS crank, assemble it with cheap donor L83/L84 5.3 for the top end, sensors and everything and use Holley to control it. Because big bore long sleeve LS blocks are so much more expensive, unless the Speedmaster iron block could handle bore/stroke to 441ci since they're $1800.
@noid39485 жыл бұрын
Awesome info!
@AutoBikeTruck5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the brain work this is a great video thanks
@Mcdashiznit5 жыл бұрын
Great stuff thanks
@Trrhep5 жыл бұрын
very cool !
@brianfoley10525 жыл бұрын
this is a sweet idea!
@allxdup19094 жыл бұрын
Nice work mate, just a couple of things... how much piston is still in the bore at bdc? LSA & I think LT4 pistons are oil cooled... Good luck & cheers from AUS'
@hairygreasemonkey27965 жыл бұрын
thnx for the info
@jimburig70645 жыл бұрын
I have been a gearhead my whole life and this new technology has really gotten away from me in my advanced years.
@nicolasanderson39994 жыл бұрын
Did you ever run this thing? I'm building an LS right now for my camaro. LQ4 with LS3 crank and heads. I was going to order the summit pro series rotating setup but now I'm curious about running LT rods in it with the summit pro pistons.
@MichaelRadelet5 жыл бұрын
I wasn't expecting a Lordco calendar
@rkmorgan20525 жыл бұрын
this is a big game changer
@TheRealZJE3135 жыл бұрын
Yes this is a hole new generation of the push rods V8.now let's see if it will show up in the trucks and Full size SUV
@rol26803 жыл бұрын
Have you tried lt heads on ls engine? See if they bolt and also if the pushrods end in the same spot
@liammcinerney55655 жыл бұрын
Any idea of the compression ratio if you use the the factory truck heads from that block with the gen 5 pistons?
@8wireracing6944 жыл бұрын
very awsome
@user-sc2ml7bd6x8 ай бұрын
What I have been wondering, since the Gen V blocks are cheaper now if you want to go 4.065"-4.125"+ bore size and want more sleeve to run more than a 4" stroke, at least a 4.125" stroke and if you want a normal LS flywheel/flexplate and a less expensive crank, is if I can use a Gen III/IV 4.125" crank in a Gen V block, I have seen plenty of GenV crank adaptation for earlier blocks but, not the other way around, a 441ci Gen V either a sleeved 5.3 or an iron 6.6 L8T block, even if the short block was a budget deal assembled with with everything from an L83/L84 5.3 should be a strong performer, especially now that there is Holley EFI to control it, those heads flow similar to 821/823 rec ports, you should be able to run very high compression with the DI for n/a work or use supplemental port injection with boost and have a monster well it's way to four digit power without spending nearly as much as a big bore LS since LT is.becoming more prevalent, is in.active production.and is less sought after by the hoodrat hot rod crowd right now.
@boostwithbridge96494 жыл бұрын
Hi Dario did you get that LS / LT 5.3 together??? I’m a GM tech and it’s the end of summer so I’d like to start the same engine build. So give me a shout if ya need anything I get parts at 10% over cost. Btw love the channel
@gradoisx23485 жыл бұрын
I laughed at the NFG written on the gen 4 rod.
@brandonloll42625 жыл бұрын
Great Info, just to clarify what oil pump gear and balancer are you planning to use then. Will you have to use LT1 stuff there? thanks
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Brandon Loll I’ll be using a stock LS gear 12556582 is the part number, Any aftermarket LS style sfi balancer will have a keyway that will work.
@shawnmccutcheon68735 жыл бұрын
I believe that LS 7 dry sump has a double oil pump which is wider so the oil drive is thicker
@marcusv56572 жыл бұрын
I have a question. Can I use the stock crank with the LT1 rods & flat top pistons. Want to keep my build simple and make the engine a little more fun . I have two 5.3 LM7 & LC9 like u said. Use all GM parts . Then a nice Cam
@598bowtie5 жыл бұрын
Awesome info! Would it be possible to know what engine those rods are out of. They are beefy for sure.
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
manuel ocasio lt4 in the c7 corvette
@petejoseph82575 жыл бұрын
GM says modular cast iron crank for the gen 5 L83 5.3L, not forged.
@michaelcuff57805 жыл бұрын
Well thats how most of my friends used to do. Keep all GM parts. Atleast you know some engineering went into the parts! Lol!
@pauljanssen26245 жыл бұрын
You can grind a slot carefully in the rod itself
@colinw72055 жыл бұрын
Question are all Gen 5 cranks twist forged even the Gen 5 motors that are in the trucks??
@kevindrury83905 жыл бұрын
Where do you get the new clips for the pistons?
@3800TURBO4 жыл бұрын
Gen 5 rod is a monster. Do they clear the cam lobes?
@AdamOpheim8 ай бұрын
Assuming you wanted a high comp 5.3 could you simply drop gen5 rods and pistons in a gen4 motor? PTV issues? How did it all balance out?
@Rodiak415 жыл бұрын
Hey dude, I just finished slapping together my LT1 rod and 5.3 Piston bottom end into my gen 3 5.3 block. Using the stock gen 3 crank as well and 317 heads, LJMS ST4 cam, BTR 660s. Just wondering if you had run yours yet and if so, did you run into any issues with it? I havent dropped it in the car yet but the fact that you have updated this makes me wonder whether it's going to work or it's a waste of time from here forward. Anyway, thanks for the project idea. Hope to hear back from ya.
@Rodiak415 жыл бұрын
Right on man
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo9152 жыл бұрын
Will the LT Rods clear the counterweights on an LS3 crank ?
@davefossler15505 жыл бұрын
Negative on the 5.3 aluminum block being the strongest block. LME has confirmed that the GenV LT blocks are the strongest production block made from GM to date. They have made a video showing the difference between LS and Gen V LT series engines.
@gbsgarage4 жыл бұрын
So, is that the stock LT rod/piston (on the right) out of the L83?
@edwardciaglia74945 жыл бұрын
Head bolt pattern is the same as well, they just changed the dowel location from the bottom corners to the top. LS lifter trays bolt into an LT if you want to eliminate the DOD. The LT cylinder liners are cast into the block, you don’t see where the liners end on the deck. They improved the oiling, and all LT motors have piston squirters. There is also an outlet out of the back of the LT oil pump that feeds the #1 main bearing. In my opinion, the LT block is a much better platform. Bell housing bolt pattern is the same too
@edwardciaglia74945 жыл бұрын
You’re right, I never actually measured it. I just put them on the engine stands. Visually they “look” the same.
Gen 4/Gen 5 SBE! Please let us know what bob weight they came up with and how many grams needed to be added or removed.
@austindoud2732 жыл бұрын
Full send
@petejoseph82575 жыл бұрын
You can use a Viper 1/2” ARP head stud kit too but you will have studs left over and they aren’t cheap. 4 builds with Viper studs and you’ll have a free set for the fifth build, lol.
@qxr203 жыл бұрын
i need that dry sump crank!
@jagunn19725 жыл бұрын
I may have missed it but what are u going to run for timing set on the shorter Lt1 crank? i may go the same route on my Ls2 rotating assembly
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Jason Baker stock upper and lower gears with a c5r chain
@johnparrish92155 жыл бұрын
All Forged Cranks are Twist forged. The only exception is Billet and Flatplane cranks.
@arg87635 жыл бұрын
That isn't true at all. Almost all aftermarket cranks are non-twist, and have been this way for years. Scat, Lunati, Crower, Manley, and I'm sure if you check around every brand you can name off the top of your head are all non-twist at this point.
@Giftied5 жыл бұрын
so whats the likely hood of a this working in a 6.0. keep us updated on this project, super interested
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Giftied depending on the piston it should.
@Jandmonline Жыл бұрын
THAT ROD IS IN BACKWARDS , THE RAISED DEMPLES ON THE CAP GO TO THE CLOSEST SIDE OF THE BLOCK ON LT4 ALSO ON THE ROD ARM HAS A DEMPLE ON IT AND THAT GOES TO THE FRONT OF THE ENGINE ON THE LEFT SIDE AND TO THE BACK ON THE RIGHT SIDE. yOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS AS YOU ARE JUST MOCKING IT UP BUT i THOUGHT i WOULD PUT THIS IN AS I AM BUILD MY LT4 NOW AND HAVE JUST PUT IN MY CRANK AND ROPTATING ASSY. GOOD INFO THANKS
@thatturbotruck5 жыл бұрын
The liners aren't that thick. They are designed like a tophat, I've cut a few out recently. Toughest block is the iron 5.3 smaller bore makes thicker cylinder walls and harder material. That being said those aluminum blocks are also super tough! (some doubt them)
@joshuacoomes63885 жыл бұрын
Great video, but everytime you pointed at something your finger gave me chills, hahaha.
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Js Coomes life lesson, don’t let the apprentice swing the hammer lol
@raymond80hr5 жыл бұрын
my mind is blown
@bryce1916 Жыл бұрын
The thickness of the liners is not all the way down they are thicker at the top because there is a step in the aluminum block to keep the liner from moving in the block .
@CamaroRick5 жыл бұрын
The LT's use a Bimetal bearing, Hardly anyone makes different sizes in coated trimetal. Ended up going with King race bearings on the last LT build. Clevite said they would be out next year.
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Camaro Rick King makes a LT rod bearing?
@CamaroRick5 жыл бұрын
@@Thehouseofboost according to my machinist Ill give him a call tomorrow
@CamaroRick5 жыл бұрын
He said he cut the tangs on LS bearings. They should have the LT bearings out by now tho
@mgleason25425 жыл бұрын
Looking for clarification... The block you are talking about is the LC9, LH6, LH8, LH9, LMF, LMG, LS4, LY5? Also do you still feel the block you have is the best based aluminum block for boost?
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Michael Gleason yes the gen4 lc9’s are the strongest, A guy with this block went 155mph in the 1/8th which works out to 1450 flywheel hp.
@th600mike34 жыл бұрын
Where can I find gen V lt4 rods?
@prancstaman5 жыл бұрын
WOW!! And that's your spare engine. LOL.
@dangerousfreedom49654 жыл бұрын
Link to a flex plate please
@Albertozco845 жыл бұрын
Any updates on this?
@dirtymike40533 жыл бұрын
Have you tried swapping the lt heads on the gen4?. I have a gen 3 and wondering if the l83 gen 5 lt Heads would swap onto the block.
@codya86843 жыл бұрын
Wanna say the lt stuff is 6 bolt heads, i maybe wrong though
@SamuelBrownDPnetwork Жыл бұрын
I wonder if any one ever got to complete a gen 3/4 build with a gen 5 crank...they are already using the l8t crank
@bryanmayes92345 жыл бұрын
This is fucking cool man
@dangerousfreedom49654 жыл бұрын
I wonder if any factory 6.0 pistons will work with the lt rod?
@Dane337816 ай бұрын
Basically all of them do.
@brandonloll42625 жыл бұрын
have you got that all balanced and put together yet? thanks
@blackwellm235 жыл бұрын
Yea i want to know as well
@dangerousfreedom49655 жыл бұрын
More!
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
407ForRent working on it
@clydestevens29445 жыл бұрын
Is the reverse true? Can you use a LS crank in a LT block?
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Clyde Stevens not sure but I would assume so
@SloppyMechanics5 жыл бұрын
gen gen5 rod is disgusting!
@TurboVisBits5 жыл бұрын
Undercut is better right? Lets oil come out properly?
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Radius fillet is stronger, but undercut is easier to manufacture
@notbuyingit80472 жыл бұрын
Wet sump corvette LT1 is the same as camaro LT1 crank. Base c7 uses a wet sump. Z51, grand sport, ZO6, and ZR1 are all wet sump.
@asandberg65 жыл бұрын
Can you do a 6.0 Crank in a 4.8 for a torquey Yukon engine please?
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
asandberg6 that would be a 5.3, a 6.0 has the same 3.622 stroke as a 5.3, a 4.8 has the same bore as a 5.3.
@asandberg65 жыл бұрын
@@Thehouseofboost OK I thought stock 6L was 4".
@FirstLast-tx3yj3 жыл бұрын
@@Thehouseofboost l92 is siamese bore right??
@petejoseph82575 жыл бұрын
Ok, will Gen 3-4 heads work on a Gen5 block
@petejoseph82575 жыл бұрын
If you re drilled the dowel counterbore on the head or the block or both?
@hishayden065 жыл бұрын
Can you run the truck acc and balancer?
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
You can use an aftermarket truck balancer that has a keyway in it.
@Sam-hj8hy5 жыл бұрын
The sleeves are not that thick. The tops have a ridge on them to bottoms out on the aluminum when they are pressed in. The walls are probably about 1/2 as thick as you see on the top of the cylinder.
@larryssnova76 Жыл бұрын
It’s acceptable their are a lot of bearings on some engines that don’t have locating tabs
@TheRealZJE3135 жыл бұрын
Go watch the video of the GM Corvette engineer he talks about the new LT4 V8.no parts can be use from the LS not even the bolts
@brianbrooks7885 жыл бұрын
I have lq4 6.0 what's a turbo for budget build thanks for any tips
@joshuafootman35935 жыл бұрын
will these rods work in 6.0 blocks
@Thehouseofboost5 жыл бұрын
Joshua Footman going to try it in my next video
@joshuafootman35935 жыл бұрын
Thehouseofboost ok cool I can’t wait to see it
@joshuafootman35935 жыл бұрын
@@Thehouseofboost do you have a part number for these rods
@mikeeagle26533 жыл бұрын
The liners are not a quarter of and inch thick That’s only the lip at the top of the deck. The sleeves are .100 and they are backed by .300 of aluminum You can only bore the sleeve .030-0.040