u/jack_smithy | Reddit Mysteries

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

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[@DæmonV86]

I don't think she's real.

[@ItsAllPainNoGain]

I had a friend exactly like this, even wanting to raise chickens and hating social media. He always had fishing trips but never introduced me or other friends to his fishing buddies. He was outed as knowing nothing about fishing and soon after told us the truth. He was an ex cultist. He was in an amish like cult his whole life and had defected when he turned 18. His cult would chase down defectors and drag em back, hence why he had no social media. And his secret phone was because he was meeting in secret with his old friends during his "fishing" trips. Sorry if this is worded weird I only have and 10 min break right now

[@julia-wj3nj]

i was also thinking that this sounded like it had something to do with a cult

[@ingridc0ld]

Same here

[@unmemorablehero]

Never thought about a cult aspect. Although it still is weird that after four years nothing? You’d thinking after that long and marriage plans she would at least say…something. The amount of distrust would break it for me.

[@angrybidoof847]

@@unmemorablehero maybe she fears that they'll both be hurt if he knows about it?

[@yanderedevstan4679]

damn when u said he didnt know anything abt fishing i thought u were talking abt brokeback mountain💀

[@patsysolatzzo2962]

My fiancé is a survivor of traff****** and this sounds like her. She doesn’t speak on her past, no friends for me to be introduced to, and disconnected from her family. She has no social media presence and hates it as well. I found out she was a trafficking survivor because I found a speech she gave to other survivors. And that was it. It changes nothing. She is the most beautiful, outgoing, and it would strike you as completely bizarre that she’s extroverted yet introverted. She too wants to only get married in Vegas lol. I hope op finds the joy in just the now.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Really seems like it, to be fair.

[@sausagerollbap528]

It must be difficult being in a four year relationship with Tommy Wiseau

[@sourgreendolly7685]

ohai mark

[@sausagerollbap528]

@@sourgreendolly7685 You are tearing me apart OP!

[@JasonChapa]

You’re my best (internet investigator).

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

😂😂😂

[@rinoz47]

Yor lahing I never heetchyou!

[@Kiterpuss]

At this point, OP needs to come to terms with the fact that just like he wants to respect her by not snooping through the phone or following her, she needs to respect him by being honest about whatever her situation is. This goes both ways and frankly if your partner can't trust you enough to tell you anything at all about their past or day to day life, that is a red flag

[@boxybrown5300]

At that point, if you're thinking about making a legal commitment like marriage, I would have to insist that both of us laid all our cards out on the table and just be up front with her about the suspicious behavior. Not because he wants to snoop, but because he loves her and wants to know more about her and be in the loop so to speak. If she brushes it off again, its time to split up. JMO

[@bobDotJS]

Yeah, this relationship died years before the post

[@NOACCEPTANCE772]

Girl reminds me of Teddy from Nip/Tuck honestly

[@Daisy624]

Not necessarily. I’m an extremely private person and sharing parts of my life outside of me gives me great anxiety. Sometimes it’s as simple as that 🤷‍♀️ you’re in a relationship with me, not my friends/family. The right person wouldn’t care.

[@mariacarvalho2926]

@@Daisy624 That's exactly what needed to be said. There are a lot of reasons why people would want to keep their lives private and it needs to be normalized.

[@reallylizjohnson]

four theories stand out in my mind; 1. she’s left an abusive situation, likely where she feared for her life and had to cut most ties from her old life. the calls are from either a kid or maybe one trusted friend, even maybe a family member she trusts or collection of all of that 2. she’s in witness protection and if you contact people you knew prior to the incident (which these calls and meetings might be), it can complicate your personal protection. so, getting the boyfriend involved would be even worse for her 3. she might be compulsively lying but it may be more from a place of insecurity and she’s fabricated outings for herself and calls because she feels lonely but too self conscious to comfortably have friendships 4. this whole story is fake

[@grindcoreninja6527]

My money is on option 4.

[@reallylizjohnson]

@@grindcoreninja6527 me too lol

[@pablodelsegundo9502]

I say #4 or she's a foreign operative.

[@KaylaRoseArbogast]

Obviously it's 4. These things are always 4. Literally every story on the entire internet is 4. This dude will start posting shit again only to reveal it was all some stupid fucking ARG or something.

[@RoachCatJr]

5. some sort of cheating sitch? feel like this one should b top 3 AT LEAST lol

[@WatashiMachineFullCycle]

So far this really feels like OP's girlfriend came out of an abusive home situation, but got out in such a way that she could still easily be in danger at any moment. I remember when I got away from my own abuser I moved several states away from him but was still constantly afraid that he would find out where I lived, and that was before mobile phones and social media was really a big thing. The friend thing is really weird

[@WatashiMachineFullCycle]

Though it could be that she's involved with something illegal?

[@TuberoseKisser]

She still could say "I don't feel comfortable talking about it" It's literally not fair to him

[@misseselise3864]

agreed, your theory makes the most sense. i have a bad relationship with my dad’s side of the family and actively avoid them in every way possible & will drop someone in a second if there’s a chance they know my paternal family

[@WatashiMachineFullCycle]

@@TuberoseKisser oh I agree that no matter the reason, at this point she isn't being fair. Of all people I get the fear for safety and the fear of telling your partner about really messed up stuff happening to you but after 4 years and living together and thinking about marriage something has to give.

[@jackchop1576]

All women living under patriarchy are abuse victims!

[@naurrr]

one piece of context was op's comment that he's white and she's black, someone responded that depending on her family background and friends she might hide the fact that she's in a relationship with him due to judgemental attitudes she might face for dating outside her race?? but I don't think that totally adds up. I don't know. if anyone else has insight on this it would be helpful.

[@vectrex2195]

Putting so much effort to hide kinda doesn't make sense at least to me. She'd just say, after 4 years no less, "my fam sucks. They would judge me and be assholes". Seems extreme to go to such efforts. But nice guess of yours either way

[@KingRitz]

I know someone just like OPs girlfriend. He moved to Newcastle to start a new job and left everything. Didn’t tell anyone. Paid in cash, old mobile phone, never discussed anything personal with anyone. He was bored of the mundanities of life he experienced everyday. I was there for the same reason, however, I returned. One day I decided to call him to no answer. Turns out one day he just disappeared , probably to start a new life, again. Insightfully, this demonstrated how easy it is to let go when you cut ties. When things fuck up. I was unaware that he used a fake name, nonetheless I’ll never forget the stories he told me and I’ll always wonder where and what he is doing right now. Undeniably this is bizarre behaviour, but I am most curious of where it may lead you.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Obliteration of the self is the best method of existence

[@kiriebalaka]

​@wolfetteplays8894 yes it's like a newfound freedom. A new world. Like starting a game over to the beginning

[@lovewins8184]

Maybe she left some kind of cult or extreme religious sect. The lack of interest in technology, lack of friends, not wanting to bring up the past, wanting normalcy all kinda fits in with that. Perhaps the person that is calling is one person who she is still in contact with and she has asked them not to bring it up, a child who is still there or someone from a support group. The "girls nights" could be a support group or therapy. The phone (which might be recent) could be for safety in the event someone finds her and she needs to contact emergency services or for her friend/kid to get a hold of her whenever. Maybe that person wants to leave too

[@rayzuhh]

yeah i suspected the support group thing as well, especially considering the fact that hes making it seem like its around the same time every couple weeks

[@glasshibou]

I had to escape a high-control group as well. My parents joined when I was young, so I was raised in it. It meant that when I DID escape, I had nothing. No friends outside of the group, no family outside of the group, no personal stories to share that didn't include the group. If this story is true, I wouldn't be surprised if her story is similar.

[@lovewins8184]

@@glasshibou That must have been terrifying and extremely hard for you. I am happy you found your way out and I hope you are doing well. I was also in a form of a high control environment, not religious but very cult-like. I had pretty similar experiences to yours when I finally got free. I was basically a child in an adult body trying to navigate an alien world. Therapy helped but experience helped more. The mistakes I made were mind boggling. It's been a very long while now and I am doing relatively good, finally. My heart and thoughts go out to you.

[@vhs3760]

It would make sense that she asks people to call the landline, not the mobile phone, because the people calling her may know that she is hiding this phone from her boyfriend and if it rings in her purse while it's at the house, he might notice

[@lilyhehetehe]

She might have been involved in a high profile case/accident and had her identity changed for her protection

[@emilyfletcher7124]

I feel like the most likely scenario is that she's in witness protection, and she had been involved in things she now regrets. Like she had hurt people after being coerced, or something of that nature, and she is now ashamed of what she did so doesn't want to tell OP. She would have a drivers license with her WITSEC name, she might had joined a dating site because she was lonely having lost all her contacts from her previous life, the outings might be something to do with meetings/ongoing legal things to do with the reason she's in WITSEC. Phone calls could be someone from WITSEC calling, and then they don't answer because it's not her (maybe she's said it a roomate, boyfriend who she hasn't told things to.) It would also explain the lack of updates. Of course, maybe OP just didn't want to update, but if his girlfriend had finally told him of her involvement in an ongoing legal thing or even just about her traumatic past, he would have held back from informing the whole internet. If anyone has any thoughts of that theory, let me know!

[@ThaKoalaKing]

If the girlfriend was in witness protection she wouldn't have been allowed to create a profile on a dating site. And it's 10 times easier to say "I have no friends" then creating some elaborate lie to create fake friends. Not to mention that if WITSEC agents needed to talk to her they wouldn't call and then hang up all secretive; they're not a spy agency and there would be no reason for them to speak with her a couple times a month for years. They would just schedule a time to talk to her privately, probably have her go to an office of some kind, assuming they needed to talk to her at all which would be unlikely. WITSEC is way too far fetched an explanation.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

WITSEC sounds like a newspeak term ... that's concerning

[@rat-gang-]

​@@wolfetteplays8894WITSEC is a very standard and commonly used name for the witness security program...?

[@Katy0303]

This reminds me very much of a woman who was an animal rights activist. She got together with a guy, they moved in together but he wouldn't talk about his family or friends, was super secretive and acted quite like the girlfriend in the Reddit post. Turned out he was an undercover police officer who was using her as cover while he tried to infiltrate the animal rights group. There were court cases over it as it wasn't an isolated incident and many of these officers were married with families while starting families with these other women too in order to maintain their cover.

[@allyh7075]

Just a thought but if she has experienced trauma in the past, maybe if her friends have known her a long time then they already know and she's scared they'll tell him? The phone calls are weird, but maybe she has a friend with phone anxiety and they freeze when the wrong person answers the phone? Or a toxic ex/stalker. Then again, I have trauma that I don't like to talk about in relationships, old friends I'd rather not be around, and social anxiety mixed with autism - but I still wouldn't leave my partner with zero answers. Even just a vague "something awful happened in the past that I'm not comfortable sharing" would be better, as TII said, than just leaving his imagination to run wild.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

TBH tho if your trauma is bad enough? Sometimes you don't want to risk further questions.

[@oop208]

This saddens me - it feels like it could've been written by my partner and I can explain everything down to the weird phone calls. When I started seeing my partner, my sister had passed away a few years prior, it had caused me some major social disconnects. She was the favourite child- so my family took to blaming me for her death (I was not present) & still hold a grudge that I refused to let them pretend I was her. I had to estrange myself from them because I really couldn't heal like that. I estranged myself from my own friend groups, as in the midst of the trauma 3 "friends" (on separate occasions) attempted to SA me and I didn't feel safe around anyone anymore. I reached out to my sister's friends to try regain a social circle, but they couldn't stop telling me how much I reminded them of her, and asked for distance for their healing. So here I was, alone and very minimally social, but was still prone to extroverted and confident tendencies - it's just my personality. I too, got phone calls probably once a fortnight & would tell my partner I was going to the mall or something with friends. I went to therapy on those days, whenever they could fit me in. I had my psych in my phone as their first name & I had asked them not to talk to anyone else if they answered the phone, for confidentiality reasons, especially in relation to the family, as she encourages me to try make peace with them. I didn't want anyone to know I needed help like that n was also very deflective when he asked to meet my friends. On days where I had a "girls getaway" most of the time I was in the mental health unit of my hospital. I knew this guy was the love of my life (Husband now) n I had so many trust / safety paranoias at that point that I was afraid to make myself so vulnerable. I did eventually come clean n he was so understanding about it all but he truly does wish it hadn't taken years for me to feel safe around him.

[@HistoryRogue95]

Hey I just want to say I'm glad you're in a better place now mentally. That sounds like such a difficult thing to go through, and I'm glad your partner was there for you. This is such an interesting perspective I didn't think about during thus video. I hope OP's partner can eventually have the same healing.

[@Pinkgobi]

Are you jack smithy's wife?

[@oop208]

@@Pinkgobi 99% sure not as I came out to my husband about this after 3 years together - so the timeline doesn't work BUT the parallels were too crazy to not share my story here

[@oop208]

@@HistoryRogue95 It was just funny to me that there was such a hang up on the phone calls so I wanted to explain my story as someone who went through what seems to be similar, it could have totally rational explanation that most people don't understand.

[@gandhitheholeresizer8329]

I know this is insensitive as fuck but just gotta say it: Kasumi from Persona 5

[@AM-hr5mw]

Didn't they meet online? That makes the witness protection theory weird, but given her aversion to tech and media it's also weird that she would've had an online dating profile

[@bankey22]

It just sounds so much like an ARG - the old flip phone, using a landline regularly, the polaroid camera, refusal to discuss friends/family.

[@kbp2002]

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[@TheInternetInvestigator]

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[@im19ice3]

i'm thinking what if she's a cult survivor. She left the cult but the people she cared about are still in it, and it feels dangerous to expose them in any way when they themselves are in contact with her in secret. the trauma from the cult could have instilled some justified paranoia that even mentioning it at all in her new life could ruin everything, she could be viscerally conditioned to not even think certain words. If i were him i'd maybe bring up her talking to a therapist, if all her behaviour is explained by horrors of her past and has to work through them in a contained space that wont threaten her established life's sense of safety. And i dont blame OP for not updating if the majority of comments were assuming all sorts of bad faith things about a person he deeply loves...

[@panqueque445]

I've heard of people who, for some reason, feel embarrassed about the person they're dating so they don't let them meet their friends or family. Which is what I thought was happening at first. But then if they're planning on getting married, and her friends know not to answer when he calls, that doesn't make sense. I understand she might have a horrible relationship with her family and doesn't want to talk about them. But her friends, the people she actively interacts with, is just weird. I think the most viable explanation is that maybe that one person is right and she doesn't have friends. If she had an abusive family, it's possible she never made any friends. Maybe when they started dating she pretended to have friends, thinking he might find it really odd if she has no friends at all. Maybe the lie kept rolling and now she's afraid of coming clean after 4 years. Other than that I really don't know what would make sense.

[@tommymayfield814]

I see your point but why wouldnt she make any friends in four years?

[@potat19]

Personally, I’ve been like OP’s gf too; my reasoning behind being so secretive was that I went through a really traumatic experience and it deteriorated my mental health to the point that I just don’t really feel safe on a daily basis. Maybe something like that happened to the gf? I don’t think it’s that uncommon tbh. However, if OP is already talking or thinking about marriage, he should talk it out with his partner, and see whether she wants to let him know what’s happening or if he desists from digging into her private matters/past.

[@moogyboy6]

The gf's secretiveness reminds me of the case of "Lori Erica Ruff", an identity thief whose true identity was a complete mystery until years after she took her own life. Look it up if you haven't already, it's a fascinating rabbit hole.

[@firewalk27]

I’ve got two theories 1. Witness protection, which would explain all of this or 2. Sex work.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

Nah my spouse is a sex worker and I have to take her phone away to get her off Twitter tbh. Maybe some kind of severe criminal activity?

[@rudimentaryganglia]

@@lowwastehighmelanin not all sex workers are going to be the same...if she actually doesn't like social media it's perfectly possible to be a sex worker without engaging with anyone on the internet

[@puchipuchi808]

Reading about WPP makes it more likely she's in the program.

[@GiraffeLoverJen]

Not trusting your long term partner enough to tell them about your life or even the partner just saying "I have trauma around this that I'm working through. I don't feel comfortable enough to talk about it yet. I will tell you when I feel like I can" is a BIG red flag! I would absolutely NOT propose until this is fully resolved. She is hiding something, lying and covering something up. My partner and I have been together for 10 years. She knows I have an extensive trauma history. She knows only the basic information about the trauma, but she doesn't know details. The only person who knows details is my therapist. But my partner knows and fully understands why I cannot talk about this yet.

[@MandenTV]

I’ve always ended relationships after my girlfriend (whoever she was at any specific time) told me any of her “trauma” in her life. Nobody wants to hear that, that’s why they’re all still alone and that’s why I’ve been married to my wife for 4 years.

[@GiraffeLoverJen]

@@MandenTV I don't think it's true that "nobody wants to hear that." No one wants to hear that the person they love has been through trauma. It takes a big person to deal with someone else's trauma and love them through it.

[@MandenTV]

@@GiraffeLoverJen Not true, nobody wants to hear it. Especially a romantic partner.

[@GiraffeLoverJen]

@@MandenTV it's not really your place to speak for everybody else in the world. I didnt want to hear about my partner's trauma, only because loved her and it hurt knowing that she had gone through the shit she did. I gladly listened and supported her, and I still listen to her and support her 12 years later. Again, it takes a big person to deal with heavy topics. I'm sorry your previous relationships didn't have your support since you weren't loving and willing to support them. Hopefully your current partner never experiences any trauma they would want your support for.

[@MandenTV]

@@GiraffeLoverJen My wife doesn’t believe in dumping trauma on anyone. She’s not stupid or weak.

[@cassandralyris4918]

She probably left a family cult. This is really common for them. She could also be a call girl. (either/or) Leaving a cult is HARD. You usually have no provable education and immediately need money and a place to go. She just wants a normal life, but she should certainly be honest with the OP. She can never really marry them if they don't even know who she really is. Secret Service agents wouldn't be allowed into a four year relationship, so that's out.

[@kyleeconrad]

She's in witness protection, she's on the run and using a stolen identity, or she's got another partner across town. Those are my guesses.

[@ExValeFor]

doesn't necessarily feel like a made up story, but I do feel like OP isn't being entirely truthful. Some of this seems to me like OP may be the cause of this situation while exaggerating his SO's weirdness. He repeats so often that he respects her privacy that I just have to wonder if that's an abuser dog whistle, and he's taking advantage of his SO likely not being om Reddit to spin his idea of her.

[@Behext]

Not agreeing or disagreeing with you here, but I do want to note that he may be reiterating that he respects her privacy so much because he is somewhat aware that he has been complacent in this mystery longer than most people world deem reasonable and is embarrassed, so keeps stating that as an excuse for his inaction. (Alternatively, if it's fake, the author is aware that this character's complacency is unreasonable and is using 'I respect her privacy' as a band-aid explanation for that plothole.)

[@amp4105]

why would someone dog whistle their abuse in a reddit post LOL i dont think you know the meaning of dog whistle.

[@DestinyKiller]

I suppose anything is possible but why? What would he have to gain from it? There's no reward for doing it, it's not like Reddit has a stake in their lives or know them

[@ovvierazones]

100% this is exactly what I thought too. Abusers just love making their victims out to be unreasonable, wrong and "off" in anyway possible, and to heavily criticize and shutdown any attempts at developing the smallest, most minor of boundaries. Bonus points if they can turn others against you. It's like they know on some level that they're shit humans, so they're always looking to "prove" that their victims, being such an awful person, "deserved" this mistreatment. I know that in my abusive relationship I wasn't exactly forthcoming with any info, for one because it'd set him off, but for two because I always knew I had to get out and if he knew where I went and who helped me he'd harm those who helped me, too.

[@hanchan254]

There is respecting someone's privacy and then there is finding out they lied to you. Accidentally seeing a cell phone is not snooping.

[@ironjellly]

I definitely think OPs gf is trying to erase her past, probably because of some sort of trauma. Maybe she is secretly going to some sort of intensive therapy, counseling, recovery/rehab, grief/survivor/self-help meetings, maybe even perole hearings or something of the sort, referring to it as "the girls". Maybe she even has a child and keeps in contact with them or their current guardian, and is not sure how OP would take that. Perhaps someone close to her is incarcerated, in recovery, etc, and she isn't sure how to tell OP. I hope it's not something darker, such as her having to deal with a stalker, or she's being blackmailed. Perhaps she is dealing with letting go of something and feels like she is trying to completely erase the person she used to be so much so that she thinks it's irrelevant to share her past with her partner. She might assume they will see her differently if they know the truth, whatever it might be. Regardless I think all serious relationships need to be based on complete trust. OP is obviously giving her something she feels is worth having and keeping, which explains why she's stuck around so long, but they can't share the rest of their lives without having established healthy communication and trust (and trust isn't just letting your partner do whatever they want, it's forming a mutual understanding of each other and how you live your lives together and independently and letting one anothrr know exactly what you need and expect in a relationship).

[@TheWholeEntireCake]

Girlfriend is really just two kids in a trench coat.

[@jonah5548]

Jesus, your profile picture is scarry...

[@tropezando]

I didn't have a cell phone my entire adult life until six months ago (I'm in my 30s), and don't use social media either. People like this do still exist, it's called being broke and a hermit lol. But this woman met him on a *dating app,* and has a secret cell phone, so I don't think she's really tech averse nor inherently introverted... I think this guy might be being used for cover, but I'm not sure from what. Seems weird that she's ready to build a whole ass life with him based on superficial knowledge of one another, and the focus is on accommodating his friends and family. It really seems like she's running from something, or trying to blend in, idk. Hard to judge since we only get his side of the story.

[@mariovalle198]

Too many inconsistencies to be real: 1. She doesn't trust social media, yet they met on a dating site? 2. OP claims to not know any names, however she's told him about birthday presents, it couldn't be for all of them at the same time, so she says "this is a birthday present for A FRIEND," not Terry or something. Pretty strange way to put it. 3. People trust someone to not be cheating when they at least know who their partner would go out with, and for anyone to be like "you're insecure if you demand to know where she is," you'd be the most naive person in the universe.

[@ActuallyHoudini]

my theory is that she's either trying to get away from an abusive ex or an anonymous stalker. my second guess is that she was cheated on in the past by a former partner with a friend or family member and she's just scared of that happening again. as someone who has a history of being cheated on, my experiences have led me down very paranoid and over-protective coping mechanisms. maybe the friends and or family of the woman understand that her friends and her partner need to be kept seperate to not trigger her or cause her to relapse. the op mentioning she is extremely affectionate, caring and kind can add to this as i over-compensate by being overtly affectionate to my partners when i have paranoid delusions about them cheating on me. so yeah

[@Nocturnal_Mee]

I was totally thinking your second guess. She might just be self conscious about what happened between an ex boyfriend and a former friend who got together after she introduced them. Although it doesn’t explain some of the other things going on with op’s girlfriend, it could explain why she hasn’t introduced him to her friends yet

[@sillyd0g]

my theories are these: a) she has friends but they're all online friends. this one makes sense to me bc i personally struggle a ton with making friends irl but i have a pretty extensive circle of online friends and am very outgoing online (granted i have social media). he says she has a laptop for email so it's not out of the realm of possibility that she has a secret social life online. i know she says she doesn't use social media, but maybe they're friends she made a long time ago like in her tweens/teens before the advent of real social media and keeps in touch with them via email or on forum. i'm too young to have really been super active online before social media, but i do know there are lots of people in their 30s who met friends and stuff when they were young through niche forums and stuff, and maybe those are the only actual friends she has, and she keeps in touch with them via email and/or the "burner" phone is her old clunky phone from way back in the day that she keeps because it has all that contact info on it and it's the only way she can keep in touch with them. b) my personal pet theory, based on the experience of a coworker i had for only a couple months a few years ago who i'll call L. L's family was abusive and from what i know her family basically stalks her, so she has to move on a pretty regular basis every time they manage to locate her again. i have a really incomplete picture of what the actual details of her situation were (i avoided personal topics with her bc she's also unfortunately a super evangelical christian and was really judgemental towards me bc im jewish and a lesbian. most of my info comes secondhand from another coworker who L befriended, and this coworker is both extremely nosy about people's personal lives and incapable of keeping what people tell her about their lives to herself.) all that to say, i think it's possible that the reason the girlfriend is so cagey about her friends is directly related to the abusive family. maybe she stays off social media specifically to avoid her family knowing where she is or what she's up to, and she's so afraid to lose the one person she's managed to actually connect with that she doesnt want to share anything at all about her personal life. maybe "the girls" are the very few friends she has that she trusts, and she doesn't want to introduce them to op because she's afraid that if those two parts of her life intersect in any way, her family might be able to figure out her location and situation, especially since he has social media. if that's the case then i think she's probably being overly paranoid, but it would be totally understandable for her to have a distorted view of her family's ability to track her down if they're abusive and controlling and have traumatized her enough that she literally refuses to discuss them at all now. c) this one's a long shot and wouldn't explain the phone call stuff, but maybe she's trans and doesn't want him to know???? she'd probably have to have undergone bottom surgery and everything already since i'm assuming op would've mentioned if they'd never had sex and this theory hinges on her being totally stealth, but it's a theory that popped into my mind and i haven't seen anyone suggest it so i thought i'd bring it up. maybe her family cut her off completely and her friends all knew her pretransition, and she's so worried about them potentially accidentally outing her that she's afraid to introduce them to him. maybe she's worried that if he knew, he'd either leave her, not accept her, or even harm her (intimate partner violence is a very real concern for trans people, especially trans women). if we're going with this theory it's also possible that her friends are other trans people (since i don't actually know any lgbt people who don't have lgbt friends and we trans people especially tend to stick together), and she's worried op would not only react badly to finding out she's trans but also that he'd be shitty to her trans friends if he met them (esp if some of them aren't cis-passing or are very open about being trans). idk it definitely wouldn't explain why she's cagey about her burner phone but it's something i thought i'd at least throw out there d) maybe she's straight up just a pathological liar whose lies got waaaaay out of hand. but if that were the case it wouldn't explain the phonecall stuff unless she also has like a super elaborate story going with all her friends as well and i feel like nobody's a good enough liar to keep up multiple ornate lies at once without anyone confronting them about it. d) worst case scenario shes like a secret neo nazi or part of some crazy doomsday prepper militia or she's in a cult or some shit, but i feel like someone like that wouldn't be trying to date a totally normal-seeming person without at least subtly trying to convert them to whatever weird beliefs they hold.

[@nami-ic5nv]

thank you for that first theory because i'm also similar to that and the whole time hearing this story i was thinking people probably could say most of these things for me...

[@wfjhDUI]

The reddit carbon monoxide leak post has broken my brain. My immediate reaction to this was "Obviously the girlfriend has been a hallucination this entire time."

[@zachariahpoltergeist4516]

She dislikes social media and has no cellphone yet was on a dating site?

[@CrashoutsDaily]

Damn tore the entire post down

[@BubbaLoob43]

LOL

[@peenyyt4921]

Where did it say she was on a dating site

[@queenofrats]

@@peenyyt4921 OP and her met on a dating site

[@aeron8293]

what's the contradiction, it wasn't necessarily a dating app

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

There is a considerable lack of respect on the girlfriend's part here, assuming any of this is real.

[@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764]

I can sum up my solution in two words: couple's therapy

[@SpellboundWolf]

Tolerating behavior like this is how people get murdered/disappear. What the hell is wrong with both of them? I wouldn't let anyone I didn't trust into my home, let alone be in a relationship with me.

[@ravioli2020]

Another reason to have an old mobile phone, and say she doesn't have a cellphone is that the phone is not activated, but she keeps it because you can make emergency calls on deactivated phones. It's a safety tool with out having to be connected to something people can contact you on 24/7

[@CarolineBearoline]

Cheers to you, young lady! Your content is always so interesting and engaging!

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

🖤🖤🖤 Glad you enjoy it!

[@cicadathegod8277]

Sadly I’ve been in a near 5 year relationship where my partner didn’t want me around their family. I figured it was a culture thing since we did come from different backgrounds. I did eventually think it was ridiculous that I couldn’t at least meet them to at least say hi. Turns out she never told them we were dating. It was a mix of culture, my race and the fact she was embarrassed of me. I broke it off. Sadly it’s not that strange to put up with not knowing just because you love someone. I don’t recommend it but it happens.

[@dazeslays]

5 YEARS...man that sucks, sorry that happened to you

[@officialdaveleetv3440]

Could be that she is a recovering drug addict. Said friends are sponsors and she doesn't want the two worlds to cross over. Makes alot of sense if she values OP as a new beginning. Burner phone is so old dealers/friends don't have access to a new phone number as she is easy to relapse. Wouldn't put down the idea she has had to change phones because of that.

[@NoxDolore]

I was in an abusive relationship for a few years. I can use some social media sometimes, but other things make me really, really uncomfortable. Also have no contact with most family, and it's embarrassing to see the reactions of some people. Everything else is weird with this, though...

[@vph7]

It’s the gothic literature bit that really makes me think it’s fake. It sounds like he’s trying to get other people to say she’s a ghost or something.

[@inabruzzowithme7877]

IF this is real - I think that a professional (secret agent etc) wouldn't be so sloppy to attract this much attention from their SO. Too much at stake to risk a confused SO running their mouth with somebody when there are people with the means and motivation to hunt them down. - witness protection seems to make sense because the scope of the secrecy is smaller. Somebody who is running from abusers or powerful criminals, is usually not the sole target of these people's activities. The scope of the people they need to be protected from is much smaller. However, I think this points much more to ongoing criminal activities or mental illness. In any case, I don't know if I'd go on with a person who could be out there doing God knows what. I'm not a controlling person, but these red flags would make me think of cheating, a double life or criminal activities

[@Sammvoy]

My first thought is escaped a cult/ escaped Amish life type thing. I would come to terms with the fact that this is breakup worthy in my opinion, I could not marry someone that can’t fully include me in their life. Even if it’s dark, she needs to give op more than there is. However, her eye rolling makes me wonder if she knows it’s wrong and is purposefully putting him off.

[@cecilross2848]

ok wait i know this comment is a few weeks old but that would kind of explain the flip phone? because if she is adjusting to modern life after being in a cult, she might be embarrassed about not knowing how to use modern tech, and has a flip phone to learn about basic phone skills. i know my grandmother had a flip phone because she couldn't operate a smart phone.

[@Sammvoy]

@@cecilross2848 no worries lmao I am always online. That was my thought too-I met a guy who just came out of prison and he mentioned preferring a flip phone bc he hadn’t had time to adjust to a smart phone yet so that was exactly my thought

[@crescentfreshsongs]

One detail that bugs me (other than the inconsistencies mentioned already in the video) is that she has a phone, but her mysterious friends are calling the landline despite the fact that she knows it's making him even more suspicious? Seems like the move would be to let him know about her phone so she could take her calls and avoid the whole "call the house and go silent" situation. I just don't buy that she'd be so sloppy about the phone yet so good at keeping everything else up. Also: the people call, and to a one, they all have the same strategy of going quiet and trying the same number again right away. ... What? I dunno, maybe I'm being too skeptical, but that sounds more Nosleep than reality.

[@toadofisiamos6380]

It's a bit ridiculous that they live together and are considering marriage yet she hasn't even given him the first name of the one of the people she hangs out with. If I was OP I wouldn't be that concerned if it weren't for the strange phone calls and lying about having a cell phone. That's weird secretive shit

[@4.5th_impact]

Completely unlikely but here's my personal theory: Ops gf is transgender,this depends on if op has seen his gf on her period or not though (and her ethnicity is something this can depend on because certain ethnicities are more gender neutral than others in most contexts), she doesn't speak to her family because they don't support. The calls are the person/people who provide her estrogen and they don't speak because it's not her, messages/calls from her estrogen provider could also be the reason she hid her phone

[@Mary-jb5wf]

So happy to see your weekly uploads again! Finally I have something to listen to while folding laundry

[@FigmentForever]

Can’t believe I haven’t heard of this prior. Thank you for another wonderful video. Maybe Im a little paranoid but I couldn’t handle the secretive stuff. There is no way I’d be living with someone who has a whole world to them I know zero about.

[@Drod.riguezm]

I don’t know how you can have a normal relationship without talking about friends like with my partner I will say things like “omg today I was talking to my friend _____ about ______ and it was so funny” blah blah blah like yes I know there’s other things to talk about other than friends but that’s a huge convo topic for us

[@TheJ0kerr]

Witness protection program? 👀 Edit: after watching the video it sounds like she running a criminal empire with that shitty phone or she is indeed in some kind police program

[@HistoryRogue95]

Witness protection was my first thought. But I watch too many crime drama lol

[@rowybowie]

Why does Reddit always jump straight to drug-dealer when someone acts weird

[@llb1127]

Dated a guy like this. He left his diaries and although it does not explain everything, Its VERY clear my SO has the ability to cut and run and I realized how little I knew about him because of how he made me feel like I knew his soul. It was a very scary situation, equally heartbreaking, still processing, and seeing that I perhapse dodged a bullet. These ppl go for ppl who have a standard of not disrespecting a boundary by looking or asking questions that are normal to ask and to he gaslight and in love with the character they are living as, molded to be the ideal person with a private side is easy to make excuses for the charismatic charm these ppl show. When held to the fire these ppl show their TRUE colors, which either aren't pretty to put it lightly like escapimg a cult or sex trafficking, but in my case a POS caught up in his own web of lies that had my whole cirlce approving of his character until he dropped the act and just wanted what "came with me" aka a lot of things that improve life quality/privledges. I hope OP is okay, and that everyone in a similar relationship ends with no one being harmed beyond the trauma caused of realizing you never knew the person you thought you knew the most. Thank you

[@doobedoobeedowaaa4615]

absolutely nothing to do with this video, but I need to know if anybody else sees/hears the resemblance between izzzyizzz and Internet Investigator? edit: I take it back about the voice thing, comparing their voices I realized that accent wise they don’t sound the same and Internet Investigator’s is deeper and has more gravel to it I think.

[@foxbuns]

100%

[@tommytomthms5]

@@foxbuns Voice is the same, but having actually met Internet Investigator in an online environment (I think video call once?) I have it on good athority that they may be friends (if not now, izzyizzz would agree that in the future, absolutely) But are not the same person, at all.

[@stratosphere94]

@@tommytomthms5 ... Voice is the same? I'm sorry what? 😆 Izzzyzzz is from NZ, Internet Investigator is from the UK. They don't sound anything alike

[@riceypudding]

@@stratosphere94 I'm shook that people think it's even remotely similar

[@szzz336]

I think this is an "I am American who can't tell accents apart" thing (speaking as an American myself who sometimes struggles to distinguish accents)

[@ginger_nspice]

Time to hire a private investigator

[@lizardjr.7826]

Amazing find. Love these deep dives

[@chompchompchangbin]

I mean, this is just my personal experience, so it can't for sure be PROOF, but I kinda get where the girlfriend comes from. Although I've only had short term relationships, I have a lot of trauma in my family, specifically abusing drugs and alcohol. When I share it with people, even my friends, I get weird reactions, so I tend not to share that with people. (Even my own therapist says I need to be more authentic. Not because I lie about my experiences or my emotional state, but I don't open up enough - even with the people I’m supposed to be safe with. I also deleted my social media last year. I don't talk to anyone besides a close internet friend and a few people I've gotten close to through the years. Like I can count them on both hands.) So, I can only assume that the fundamental issue is that the girlfriend has a lot of (unresolved) trauma in her life. It doesn't explain everything (like the phone), but it could explain why she's hesitant about sharing. Maybe she sees this guy as a way to build a new life away from it. But I totally see if she's cheating on a significant other with him. It's weird that she's on a dating site but not any other social media…?

[@ChloeGPotter]

Always happy when you upload! Can't wait to watch the vid 🖤

[@12me91]

Why would anyone be dumb enough to date let alone move in with let alone marry someone who acts like this woman? Respect of privacy doesn't mean she gets to lie to you brush off your concerns or keep everything from you..that's so fucked up

[@kettle4796]

Literally, even without the weird, suspicious shit, that severe of a lack of communication is not healthy at all in a long-term relationship. Then add in everything else... yikes.

[@glue-sniffer]

Great stuff , love a good reddit mystery 👍 Just listening to this , Beatrice kiddo springs to mind 😂

[@ethribin4188]

I dont think its a cheating or undercover situation. I think its more a cult escapee or crime survivor (like trafficing or mafia). Thats why she hides it.

[@AngelinaParker]

Oh sweet, Internet Investigator's got a sponsor!? Get your coins girl!!!

[@adelistic]

kinda reminds me of the "36 questions" musical podcast, its really good with a similar story i recommend

[@Columbia42]

She could be in witness protection which explains why he can’t know about her past because it could put her in danger or him.

[@benmcreynolds8581]

Even tho this guy cares about her. Since he's tried all forms nice and caring. He needs to stand up for his own well being. He needs to distance himself from her and state that unless she is willing to even Acknowledge the effects this is having on him and they are going to actually address it. No matter what it is, you got to face it, no matter what. They can't go on ignoring one person's emotions and mental well-being but being compassionate and caring towards the other individual. That's just so unhealthy. This entire thing just stresses me out just thinking about it. I think a lot of people would have hit a wall and tipping point where you can't just let yourself suffer... It's ridiculous. It shouldn't be like this and if this actually is real. I honestly can't believe the amount of patience and trust the guy has had. I'm all for letting a partner be themselves, independent, and just finding a healthy way to intertwine 2 unique independent individuals but that works with healthy communication and understanding of each other. I personally think it means a lot of someone willingly chooses to consider their significant other even if they aren't there and they are giving you full independence. That means more in my mind than the relationships we've seen where someone has trust issues and is constantly paranoid and thinking they need to be defensive and reminding about staying honest and committed to them. Like I get having insecurities, and worrying but I'd much rather let a person be themselves and if they happen to work out at being a decent partner. However you both decide that is, then if someone can prove that through their own actions, on their own, without you or anyone having to get on their case about it. Then that, that is peaceful. If people have to get on someone's case and get all wound up, worrying all the time even in the oddest moments, then honestly people should probably just be single because relationships should not be that taxing.

[@gl1tchygreml1n]

My personal theory is that either she's cheating on him or she escaped an abusive family and they're looking for her.

[@316nicolez]

His gf sounds like a hallucination

[@maxsebastian]

She's either in witness protection or the CIA. Edit: Nevermind, I think they're in the UK. It's not uncommon for prisoners that have been released to be given a new identity. She's probably a murderer.

[@JonPITBZN]

This guy is definitely, 100% being cheated on. The other guy is part of her friend group, so this guy doesn't get to meet them. The other guy is active on her social media, so she pretends not to have them.

[@heidih3048]

this sounds most plausible. Otherwise maybe the "friends" she is meeting are actually sex work clients (and the clients when calling the landline are told to not speak unless she answers).

[@gcfournier3386]

My thought exactly

[@TheWordMurder]

My thought of 'shitty phone that she never uses' was possibly some on call phone for her job. A little weird if it's a clothing store but maybe it's in case security needs to get in touch with her. Or she needed a device for 2fa for something

[@sgtcwhatley]

Made my day. Hope you are well TII

[@TheInternetInvestigator]

Thanks, hope you are too! :)

[@danyarubin3803]

1. Maybe she’s a police informant (likely for drugs, though possibly for ? This is a lot more common than being in wit sec, and she wouldn’t be under such strict privacy that she couldn’t go on a dating site. People who are informants are usually someone who used to be in the world they are informing on (so former drug users for example) who are caught and given the opportunity to get out of jail time by informing. If she was a former addict, for example, perhaps her whole life prior to being an informant was totally in the drug world. Like all of her friends were also addicts or dealers. Maybe her family was involved in this world as well, or maybe they kicked her out or disowned her bc of her addiction. So if she was deeply ashamed of her past and wanted to start over, maybe that’s why she wouldn’t tell OP. Also she could def be in danger as an informant if found out, so it would make sense she would want to keep OP totally separate from this part of her life to protect him. She may generally not life phones, but the burner phone might be one she was given by police to use in their informing operation, something she is required to have. The silent phone calls on the land line could be her handler (so someone in law enforcement) calling to see if she is where she is supposed to be/living with who she claims to live with. Sort of like parole checking in. It would make sense there need to be periodic land line check ins bc that verified she is indeed spending time at the physical address she is supposed to live at. If you think about it, an informant couldn’t have an ankle monitor or some kind of tracker like that bc they would give their cover away, so a landline is another way to verify someone’s location. Also if she was a former addict, maybe this is why she does not want OP to see photos of her. Maybe she looked really rough prior to getting clean, and seeing pics of her would make it obvious she was in the throws of addiction, or she is just embarrassed of how she lived b

[@KingFluffs]

Yay. I love these mysteries.

[@sol9808]

I think whatever's the reason his girl doesnt tell him anything is because it could possibly sabotage her work life or maybe their relationship as a whole? The mobile phone could very much be a 'work' phone thus is the reason she doesnt use it and the 'silent' calls could be explained by the secrecy of the 3rd party she's talking to... or maybe she doesn't exist because this is reddit and we are not to trust strangers.

[@TheUluxian]

Does she have either antennae or a spiked tail? If no, can probably rule out Queen of an insect hive and Brontosaurus..

[@SapphireRose1982]

Maybe she is the daughter or relative of someone who was involved in a high profile crime. Or maybe if she is in the UK, she had a criminal past and was given a new identity on prison release.

[@mortal-enemy]

Honestly this sounds ideal to me. I like to keep different parts of my life separate, and I don't enjoy meeting new people. My ex and I dated for 5 years and I only met his parents once, met one of three of his sisters once, and never met any of his friends or coworkers. It never bothered me and I honestly had no urge to meet them. He wasn't close to his family, and he spent a lot of time at home anyway. I'm also very much a "don't ask if they don't talk about it" person, so idk it doesn't seem like a massive deal to me 🤷 the phone thing is the only weird thing here imo.

[@meowsticism]

same here i wouldn't mind dating someone without having to interact with his family or friends at all. in fact, i would love it tbh. however, the fact that op's girlfriend refuses to let him know her friends at all costs is a huge no-no for me. she refuses to invite her friends to her own wedding just so they wouldn't meet op. i would be pissed. :(

[@sarahelliott3229]

Witness protection perhaps? Not sure where the secret phone would come in though.

[@dannyg.4421]

i mean i actually did the same thing with my ex, we dated for 5 years and i didnt know a sigle thing about her parents. also she changed her name, she was honest with her real name but wanted to be called something different. she was on social media though so i seen some of her friends. most of them was met online but yeah i barely got any stories of her growing up or anything. she also noved way to live with me and just didnt want to talk about it at all. when i got super curious she seemed really upset but she was generally a nice and sweet person and i just decided the past doesnt matter all that much in the great scheme of things. i trusted her completely so who cared how we got here, we are here now and its been great. probably one of my healthiest relationships up and until the end of the relationship.

[@crazyinsanepenguin]

I've heard stories like this before, but with the roles reversed. A woman doesn't pry in to her secretive husbands personal life, never has any idea what he's up to or who he's with, and he always makes her drop the subject and she's afraid to ask about anything he's doing. The husband always turns out to have another family. Maybe more families than that. SHE. IS. CHEATING.

[@glitterbats]

So, in decades past post-op transfolk were encouraged to live 'stealth' if they could; destroy or hide any evidence of presenting as another gender, cut ties to the community, and live the rest of their life as though they were cis. It was done for safety reasons, and depending on where OP lives it still could be dangerous to live openly as a transwoman. Two things that stuck out to me is that I didn't notice OP talk about planning for children. By itsself that doesn't mean anything, but if his gf is a transwoman she obviously wouldn't be able to get pregnant. Secondly, going back to trans history, a lot of transwomen tended to be in male-dominated fields, especially if they transitioned later in life. Iirc OP hasn't met her coworkers either, which would make sense as if she built a career in that field pre-transition, her former masc name would be linked to her. This would also explain the weirdness with her friends; they may be other trans folk who supported her thru her transition. If some of them don't pass for cis, either visually or over the phone, that's her secret blown. Which again, depending on where she and OP live, could be deadly.

[@serpenking]

That's what I was thinking too.

[@sydneym5595]

That would make sense for a shorter relationship, but if it were dangerous for her to tell her partner she’s trans, why has she been in a relationship for this long and planning to marry him? If she’s worried for her life around her partner, isn’t it just making it worse to continue the relationship?

[@OyVeey]

It's "trans woman". Two words.

[@tanya-xoxo]

Meh, she has no friends and is embarrassed. it happens.

[@yeahimashley9515]

As someone with no friends, I had this thought as well (before I heard other sketchy details about her). I would be too embarrassed to tell someone outright, “I am friendless.” I wouldn’t lie about “going out with the ladies” or anything, though.

[@heidih3048]

As a person who has gone for years with no friends, I still find her behavior weird. I have always told any significant other that i find it hard to get close to people and that is why I don't typically have people I hang out with on my own. The fact that she would possibly create such an elaborate deception toward someone she has been with for years and wants to marry is very troubling. If she is dishonest about this one thing, it seems likely that she does not respect her partner enough to be honest with him, or put value in the concept of honesty.

[@mxbx307]

She's either cheating on him, or has escaped some kind of previous abuse. Perhaps "Sarah Jones" is her real name now, but at some point wasn't. That could mean adoption or getting a fresh start. To be honest it sounds more like cheating. If you were abused why would you have phones and people contacting you on a landline at your bit-on-the-side's place? If she was fleeing abuse then why have her photos on a dating site? She can't introduce him to her friends because they don't know about him and may only know her 'real' partner.

[@robertgamsby51]

I can't believe it took me this much scrolling to hit someone suggesting the girlfriend was cheating. Internet Investigator did a video on Female Dating Strategies and this is pretty much text book on how they would tell you to keep a rotation of different guys.

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

@@robertgamsby51 Ok and? Men encourage eachother to do the same thing to women lmfao

[@mutedollreal]

I think she has a semi-long-distance main piece, and OP is the side piece she's gotten attached to. She probably has real friends, but refuses to let OP know anything about them so he doesn't try to contact them and reveal he's her (other) boyfriend. When she goes out every so often, she's probably meeting with her main piece (who probably thinks OP is just a roommate or he doesn't know OP exists at all) and occasionally her friends, if not meeting up with her friends and main piece at the same time. Her mobile phone is for contacting her main piece and friends, and maybe using social media as well (perhaps she tells OP she doesn't use/like social media or technology like that to subtly keep his mind away from thinking about looking for her socials, if she is actually lying about her opinions on social media, that is). She may have started getting paranoid that her leaving to meet with "friends" that OP knows nothing about looks suspicious, and worried that he would suspect her of going out to see a guy (which, in this case, would be true, but she doesn't want him to know that), so using her mobile phone she would call the landline posing as her friends. For obvious reasons, she wouldn't be able to say anything when he picks up, so she stays quiet the whole time until hanging up, before calling again so it doesn't look like a wrong number situation. Then, sometimes she'll come to the phone and chat with nobody on the other line to make it look like it was one of her friends calling. I think OP is only a side piece because of the fact that she's hiding so much from him, a phone, her friends, etc, meanwhile her main piece knows her friends and that she has a phone, but doesn't know about OP. They're probably only able to meet every so often/every few weeks because of the distance between their homes. I don't think the girlfriend has a car or just a reliable source of transportation (to travel that far) in general, meaning the main piece has to be the one doing all the traveling. This would make the travel time to see each other longer than if they met halfway, so the main piece can't do it that often because of scheduling issues. She probably tells her main piece she doesn't want to move in with him yet because her job is closer to where she already lives and she doesn't want to lose it, and they're (probably) not married yet anyways, so it isn't weird for them to not live together. Sorry, I'm rambling now, so I'll stop my speculation here lmao.

[@codyfsw]

My best guess is that she’s an undercover cop. Prolly not a narc but an undercover that met him and he may be a part of the cover now.

[@Vee-Shan-CC]

I have been with my partner for nearly 6 years and I've only met one of his friends and none of his family. He's met many of my friends and none of my family though. I'm basically no contact with my family and it's never really come up when he goes to see his family. He knows that I'm an anxious person though. It's not like he's asked to meet my family either. We're fine with how things are and if we meet them we meet them.

[@NutyRiver]

I have no specific reason for feeling this but I’m getting big witness protection program vibes.

[@MushroomMayhem]

A few minutes in and already in thinking she's married or something. OP is the other guy.

[@bostonsandatot4948]

She could just be a very private person. Why doesn't OP just ask the partner these questions? This isn't a healthy relationship if you can't ask questions. Also, there ARE some life experiences that partners don't want to/shouldn't share and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

It's weird that they didn't yeah. TBH she might just have concerns about control issues and severe privacy focus. I've had people in my life like that. Sometimes they're just so weird you end up drifting apart because they make getting a hold of them pretty challenging. Maybe she's lying about the friends and she is spending time alone.

[@veryregular]

one possibility -- perhaps an overly charitable one -- could be that, if she comes from an abusive home situation, her friend group is actually a support group. the phone calls might be other people in the group who have her as a support person. if they're also from similar situations, they might feel uncomfortable with disclosing the nature of that call to someone outside of the group. the gf might not feel comfortable with telling him about this, because that hits too close to topics she doesn't want to discuss, like her past. that wouldn't really explain the cellphone, though. this is just speculation anyway

[@SixxOClock]

Okay so wait, she doesn't use social media or anything....but he met her on a dating site? Super fishy if you ask me. Either it's a fake story and dude got his details mixed up, or it's true and she's just randomly decided to basically go off the grid after she started dating him.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

Maybe it's not the friends she's hiding. Maybe it's OP.

[@loganmorningstar9122]

I have a feeling that she's embarrassed that she's with someone younger.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

I know I'm not done finished watching the video, but it seems like she might be stealth trans. I feel like her closeness could easily be explained as her wanting to take control of her privacy and such.

[@gorgonzola333]

I met my girlfriend and my future wife in a similar case like this. Her photos seemed like she was a catfish, too "model looking". Hated social media and never had photos on her insta, facebook, but the same as on tinder. She said she learned and worked in dubai making props for movie studios. We chatted bout a year or so, til she moved back to my country. Now the thing was, that she was 100% real. We are totally in love and when i think about her i almost start to tear up. Sometimes girls are just weird for most people who use internet, social media very much, however there are people who dont want to share every aspect of their lives in front of others. Sorry for my bad english.

[@mb-mz4tg]

I LOVE Reddit mysteries . It unfortunate that they’re so rare. At least the good ones