Why Do I HATE Frozen so much?

[@enzojose4001]

12:50 in addition, there are hundreds of servants in the castle. If Anna was as lonely as she says, then why did she never make friends with any of the people who worked at the castle?

[@thomasraines1396]

I think the dad says something along the lines of minimizing the staff but it doesn’t add up with the hundreds of servants we see.

[@grandempressvicky6387]

Because they're PEASANTS!!!!

[@icecreamhero2375]

Maybe they were all adults and she didn't have children her own age to play with. You can be friends with older people but it's a different vibe.

[@cloudshines812]

It also kind of goes against Anna’s character of being an extrovert and slightly rebellious character. Instead of constantly knocking on Elsa’s door and being bored/isolated… she should’ve at least went on sneaking outside the castle and seeing the rest of Arendelle. I mean that’s what Jasmine did ffs

[@ivyproductions7097]

Well you see Enzo it’s because royalty don’t see servants as people.

[@Geminilion100]

The trolls legitimately make the entire situation worse. All of it. It was that stupid troll shaman who stole Anna's memory, so that she couldn't learn how to help Elsa, it was his idea to have Elsa lock herself away, and the trolls wasted Anna's very limited amount of time being, you know, alive. The trolls are so antithetical to the story that I would go so far as to say that they orchestrated the King and Queen dying.

[@firewolf950tfwgaming7]

I’m genuinely surprised they didn’t reveal the trolls to be evil masterminds orchestrating it because if Frozen is suppose to be Disney’s attempt to subvert their tropes, the trolls being evil would have been a subversion on the fairy godmother, a magical being who helps the hero attain their happily every after but here, they purposefully put them down. Like it was right there, how did they not see it?

[@Sebastian-Draegon]

He didn't suggest to lock her away. The parents misinterpreted what he said and followed the footsteps of their fears instead of actually listening to what the troll said. He told her she had to learn to control it, her parents made the decision to lock her away until she controlled it but the problem is they didn't help her at all. They only made her fear herself more, it wasn't the troll, it was the dumb ass useless shipwrecked parents that apparently fucked in a jungle and had Tarzan.

[@spiceyblueroyalhoney1225]

But that's just a theory, a film theory! But yeah Matpat mentioned that too in a theory years ago.

[@marqusmedina5983]

Actually they didn't. Locking her up was the parents idea

[@matthewpletsch7523]

I mean they were meant too be bad guys... they essentially scare Elsa, lie too Anna, have the power too remove memories on a mass scale. They have christoff too replace Hans. Hans changes in the like 11th hour. The trolls are bad. They are portayed as dangerous in the book in the movie, in Once Upon a Time for Frozen they literally wipe Arendels memory of a Princess.

[@Messiah.Complex]

The idea of making her dress with ice implies if she goes into a warm place, all of her clothes just...melt

[@donnamitsuki281]

You could say it's magic ice clothes or that she just froze over (and redesigned? Lol) the dress she had on but uh... Idk if that's a valid answer

[@isaiahfitzhugh196]

It really doesn't. She literally made a warm place a snow place. I think she could control her dress.

[@mray4784]

And that's a bad thing?

[@rexlumontad5644]

@@mray4784 George Takei: "Oooh mmmy."

[@danielgeronimo5538]

This uhhh....well, I actually don't know what to do with this fact.

[@Crippledhead]

5:22 you hit the nail on the head right there for me. These girls literally are princesses in name only. They were not trained in any way to govern over their kingdom. They were just locked away like circus freaks in the castle. The staff should be charged with sedition for failing to give these girls a proper ROYAL education. When Elsa says you can't marry someone you just met.... dude your in the middle of a coronation party surrounded by delegates from every single nation and your decorum is lacking from the start. Anna's literal roll as a 2nd born princess is to marry to a foreign prince to foster relations with that nation. The incompetence on display is atrocious

[@Lilitha11]

They should of just made whoever the regent was, who ruled the last 10 years and locked them away, the villain.

[@icecreamhero2375]

My mother once said this. "Just because something is off screen that doesn't mean it didn't happen." A plot hole is something later in the plot contradicting something earlier in the plot. Maybe they thought the girls learning about government and politics would be too boring to show. They obviously had schooling.

[@brycebitetti1402]

@Myth Alric That's actually a way better concept for a villain than what we ended up with. Literally just rework the Duke character into the regent of the throne who doesn't want to give up his power.

[@Crippledhead]

I'm saying their actions and reactions in the middle of their first public reception and Elsa's coronation no less show severe gaps in their knowledge and training. Not only that but Elsa's fear of her powers led her down a path where she was perfectly happy to abandon her people. Anna left the kingdom in the hands of complete strangers in the middle of a crisis because she felt like her sister's crisis was more important. Nothing but incompetence all around

[@cloudshines812]

The whole MOVIE could’ve been avoided by Elsa just saying… “Hey Anna. Why don’t we talk about this alone in a different room.” Or “Hey Anna. Why don’t we talk about this with Hans some other time”? Like there was a MILLION different ways the situation could’ve been handled but because of Elsa’s own stupidity and their selfishness… it makes neither of them at all a likeable role of authority

[@IAmTrash1995]

Elsa was supposed to be the villain but they liked her song so much that they changed her character. But then realized they needed a villain because that’s how Disney princess gets to become one. Seriously it’s in the requirements with a few exceptions. And then they were like “oh no. We need a villain because it’s a requirement. Who will it be? Eenie meanie minie Hans!”

[@grandempressvicky6387]

I don't know why they have to do that to themselves. It's their rule book, they can change it. And like Critter said, the Duke and his lackies are the perfect stand in. Just give him a villain song, redesign him somewhat and boom.

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@grandempressvicky6387 The Duke would have been too boring and obvious. That is what you call a red herring.

[@off-the-grounder568]

Beating the bad guy is actually more of a requirement than actually being a princess, as Mulan and Moana aren't princesses but are Disney Princesses

[@grandempressvicky6387]

@@icecreamhero2375 Scar, Ursula, Gaston, Maleficent are also very blatant evil people. And yet, they are some of the most beloved characters of the Disney Canon, even more so than the protagonists of their respective movies. Disney shines when their villain is obvious and it was a wrong move on their part to try and "spice it up" purely for the sake of subverting their tropes. Shrek did it first and it did it better.

[@IAmTrash1995]

@@off-the-grounder568 I’ve read but I could be wrong they just need to help with the defeat of main villain

[@skyslasher2297]

23:12 I'm an introvert too but I think Elsa's idea of introversion is a tad extreme total isolation of society doesn't seem very healthy to me. Then again I also hate being alone so that might effect my view.

[@SpectreBagels]

No, I agree with you. Elsa's definition of alone was to cut off everyone forever to "protect" them. Her liberation was being free of responsibility by abandoning those she was responsible for. Like the freedom and liberation a dead beat mom would have after abandoning her kids 1 day

[@Sebastian-Draegon]

I struggle with the exact loneliness that Elsa does. I have a tendency to isolate myself to the point that the only person I even see is my S. O. And let me tell you... I have attempted more than there are days in a month. This type of "introvert" exists but it's more known as a disorder. I do also want to point out knowing full well it's just a movie is that, Elsa was emotionally abused. She's isolating herself all the time throughout the movie because that's what she was always taught since the troll meeting.

[@artbytesia]

​@@SpectreBagelsBut that raises the question of why the winter didn't end sooner than it did if "love" was the answer the whole time.

[@DemonicRemption]

@skyslasher2297 Homie I'm an introvert too, and I can attest that extreme total isolation can literally drive you mad. Well that is if you're a bitter cynic like me who only takes in all the world's B.S.

[@puppersissage8640]

I'm an introvert and I think Elsa idea of it is 100% normal and every introvert I know is the same I think your an Ambrivert if you think a normal intervert is "to extream"

[@elenas3571]

I didn’t get the message of “introversion is bad” from the ice castle scene so much as “cutting yourself off from everyone and ignoring your problems will totally solve them!” The logic of that scene is that hiding away from the world is a great solution that would have worked If her family just abandoned her.

[@pandaotakup5608]

Elsa only isolated herself to protect other people. The reason felt relief being alone for the first time was was she was free from expectations as well not having to worry herself from hurting others with her powers

[@artbytesia]

​@@pandaotakup5608 Which makes you wonder: If love was the solution, and Elsa was running away out of love, shouldn't the winter have ended sooner?

[@DemonicRemption]

@@artbytesia You're thinking too deeply about what was meant to be a surface level concept for kids to grasp. No, that's not a defense... It's just the cold, hard truth.(No pun intended.)

[@artbytesia]

@@DemonicRemption Just because it's for kids doesn't mean it shouldn't make sense. Practically every other Disney movie is for kids, and yet those made sense of themselves. Frozen does not.

[@-Hikaru._.Tykon-]

With Hans, I completely agree that his twist was stupid. I personally believe that he was supposed to be the actual love interest but someone suggested the twist and it was added later in the process leaving all of the genuine scenes he had

[@dragonkyuu]

one of my favourite theories that saves it for me a bit is that the trolls love song actually cursed Hans to be evil and not like Anna and he had genuine feelings beforehand but it was twisted bc of them

[@-Hikaru._.Tykon-]

@@dragonkyuu like the Film Theory video?

[@LeviAuren]

He could’ve really used a scene partway through where he realized the implications of randomly hooking Anna, and decided to go for the power play.

[@cloudshines812]

Hans is like the poor mans version of Gaston. Literally every puzzle piece and ingredient that Gaston had… Hans just fucks it up.

[@princesspeachfan100]

And it literally came out of nowhere too, there was no build up to it, it just happened… It makes no sense…

[@adamdaman6784]

My sister watched this so much back in 2013, to the point where my siblings broke the damn disc

[@photoskathesis]

came out in 2013 lol

[@adamdaman6784]

@@photoskathesis shit you right lemme fix that.

[@artbytesia]

My mom said we should let kids be kids. That's all fine and dandy, but it's kinda hard to do that when those kids are laughing at fart jokes, watching on repeat badly-done movies like this, mimicking the characters from said badly-done movie, and...well, need I remind you of what cartoon show became the #1 show for kids some years ago? Was it SpongeBob, which can be funny and is smart a lot of the time? Was it My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, a show that's for all audiences? No! It was Breadwinners, which is an incredibly stupid, poorly-animated, and immature show! With all this in mind, how can we let kids be kids without worry?

[@celestiadrools9551]

@@artbytesiait’s about social influence. Kids will look up to anything they see, we have to teach them the rights and wrongs of things. Also, I can’t believe I thought Breadwinners was funny as a kid.

[@artbytesia]

@@celestiadrools9551 Which is exactly why I feel I can't take Mom's advice about letting kids be kids.

[@thapelosishi]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but I do wanna say: we were really in the trenches during Frozen Fever. You legitimately could not walk outside your house without seeing _something_ Frozen related. It’s so bizarre, someone needs to do a case study on it

[@brycebitetti1402]

It wasn't just that it was everywhere, but that it was everywhere for so long. Like, was 2014-2015 so lacking in cultural phenomena that we just kind of let Frozen fester where it was until The Force Awakens could be slapped on all their products? Speaking as someone who was pretty young, and who had a parent working for Disney, it legitimately felt like the movie just didn't leave the public eye for a solid 2 years.

[@thapelosishi]

@@brycebitetti1402 in my country it was about 6 years💀I can recall Frozen just barely being as pushed out as it was beforehand in 2019. And even then when I go grocery shopping I will always see Frozen accessories, but that’s just inevitable ig

[@zoeb3573]

I totally get what you mean but "we were really in the trenches during Frozen Fever" is so funny to read. Sounds like a terrible disease soldiers had to suffer through during a war. Poor Timmy, we lost him to the frozen fever.

[@cloudshines812]

2019 was the breaking point for Frozen with me and it made me officially not like this brand anymore. A shit sequel, a godawful Olaf short… and a HORRENDOUS level in Kingdom Hearts III where you spend TWO HOURS REBUILDING A SNOWMAN!

[@missliv.404]

Just when I thought the times of slapping the same images of Elsa on literally everything was over I have found... Frozen ice cream. It was hilarious not gonna lie, and definitely a better choice than cereal. Still this frozen fever is why I really started to hate everything. First I thought the movie was alright but oh god, companies acted like this was some insanely popular boy band with millions of fans in every country like chill, the movie wasn't even this much of a masterpiece 😭😭😭

[@jenneacubero1036]

Come to think of it, it'd be interesting for Anna to have ran away from home, met and married Kristoff and became the grandmother to Gerta from the original "Snow Queen". Within that time span we could see Elsa becoming queen and see her turn to villiainy due to her people fearing her. It could've been more true to Andersen's work while also not making Elsa a REDEEMABLE villian by the film's end. *Edit* Wait a sec! There's already been cases of "Prince Charming Suberversion"; did anyone see "Princess Bride" or "Shrek"??

[@artbytesia]

Apparently the people behind this film didn't!

[@bluemeg1787]

Idk but actually letting Anna go outside, make friends and start to really think Elsa hated her and hated the fact that Elsa - someone she now hate is going to be on the throne, and then have a relationship with Hans base on how they both neglected by their siblings and may never have a chance at the throne would have been a stronger options.

[@vianeyverde]

One thing I remember I didn't like about this movie was that it got rewarded for being a sister movie WHEN THERE WAS LILO AND STITCH.

[@lordshenfan6625]

Yeah but then again lilo and stitch was only OK.

[@artbytesia]

​@@lordshenfan6625 I disagree; that movie is good. Unlike this mess!

[@rachelharvey4635]

I really think there was a way for them to have a more villainous Elsa and also have Anna save her sister at the end. Elsa could run away and Let It Go could be her semi-villain song, but instead of creating a beautiful castle, etc, everything could be jagged and show that Elsa can't really control her powers. Anna shows up, ice still gets shot in her heart, etc. Then, the soldiers show up and Elsa could unable to control her powers and freeze all of them (essentially killing them) with her uncontrollable ice powers with only Hans surviving and managing to knock her out with the chandelier. He brings her back to the kingdom, where everybody wants her dead because they think she is too dangerous. Anna has come back by then and is the only one who doesn't want Elsa to get killed. As next in line, she holds the power and ability to veto so the others decide to lock her in the room before she can call the guards or something. Hans is sorry about what he's doing but believes its for the good of Arendale. Also, he does want to kiss her to save her. but she says she doesn't love him anymore. She breaks out, saves sister in knick of time, Elsa realizes how much her sister loves her and that running away isn't the way to solve her problems, and is finally able to control her powers by turning Arendale back. So, I guess it doesn't really make Elsa more villainous but at least makes Hans a more gray character than a straight up villian

[@KaminoKatie]

Or you made Hans a well-intended extremist

[@thedarklrd6714]

I'm feeling like we should've made Anna and Elsa something like Dante and Vergil from Devil May Cry, at least personality wise. That would've been cool. It would've also worked with their respective color schemes, one blue and the other red.

[@isaiahvayne]

I would agree with all of it.. I just wish that it probably would've been better if the ice loving Christoff was interested in helping Elsa as well as Hans not doing anything.. 2 perfect guys, 2 perfect girls, and the wimpy guy could've been the one to try and overthrow the kingdom... they were trying really hard to pull the rug out from under the audience and be so surprising that it lost a lot of common sense... eh.. it's a 7 out of 10 for me though.

[@artbytesia]

It would've been better if the writing wasn't so POOR!

[@redscorner4324]

For the issue with isolation and introversion, I think the movie is speaking on the aspect of repressing emotions and self-isolating when in need of help. Elsa is struggling with guilt over hurting Anna, and fear of her own powers because Grandpabby straight up told her that her powers can turn against her. Her parents decide to teach her to hide her abilities and to try to suppress a fundamental part of who she is. It does feel like it takes a jab at introversion, but I think that the message was meant to be about learning to ask for help when you need it. And Anna was willing to help Elsa the whole time, Elsa just didn't want to be honest at first. Also, I think part of Elsa being happy to be alone is she knows she isn't going to hurt anyone with her powers, and that she finally feels free from the stifling environment that she grew up with. I think she didn't really want to be the ruler either and the second movie does expand on these issues decently well.

[@maxx2dxtreame]

Totally agree. As well as the point in case that people started treating her like a monster, leaving her feeling misunderstood and even believing that she is one. Which on top of everything else must be extremely difficult for anyone to feel safe to just talk about it let alone their family.

[@Sebastian-Draegon]

To add: they also apparently abandoned this child after the ship went down. She was allowed to be alone the rest of her childhood. The snowman song implies that she never left the room cuz that's where Anna only speaks to her in the castle. There was literally no one around her to help her because of her parents. And when she's supposed to do the coronation, suddenly she's expected to have any social skills let alone being comfortable around someone. All of it was foreign to her as is implied, and she was forced into a crowd without any preparation. Else was literally taught to hide her fears instead of asking for help.

[@avivastudios2311]

That's a good point.

[@frankwest5388]

My biggest pet peeve about the movie is that the characters look as if they started with the Barbie tie in doll and worked their way backwards in terms of character design Edit: Also I would love to see a reimagining of Frozen like Twisted was. Like as you said, Hans makes no sense in continuity and objectively both sisters are kind of useless as leaders, both basically running away the second any obstacle to ruling comes up and the Kristof is just a guy. I once heard someone suggest that the trolls were the real villains all along. Which is an idea you could do so mich more with. Like Hans tries to keep things going after the ruler of the land was revealed to be a basically all powerful ice witch. And then as things seem to be unable to become any worse the trolls try to manipulate the sisters into their puppets. So Hans decides on drastic measures. I don’t know

[@artbytesia]

My biggest pet peeve is the bad writing. For pity sake, the film contradicts itself FOUR TIMES! *FOUR!* The only other animated film of which I can think off the top of my head that does it that many times is The Legend of the Titanic!

[@paulbutkovich6103]

Hans would work really well as a final villain, just twist his motives a bit. After his kiss fails to save Anna (who he is still in love with) he decides that his only option is to try to destroy the "source" of the curse. Elsa. He tries to kill her to save Anna.

[@thomasraines1396]

That would be interesting.

[@newperve]

Imagine Anna unfreezing steadily, the camera turns to see Hans with a look of joy on his face, that fades as the process reversed. Then imagine Kristof trying to remember if Elsa was born with the power or cursed because if it's a curse killing won't stop it. He decides he can't take the chance so he tries to stop Hans.

[@Nopeasaurus]

literally everyone says this about hans. he would've made a better "villain with good intentions" than a cackling twist villain. it would have made him more complex and it would've fit into the storyline better than what we got.

[@artbytesia]

​@@Nopeasaurus AGREED!

[@firewolf950tfwgaming7]

Every complaint about Frozen’s plot really just reinforces MatPat’s film theory on how the Trolls are(and should have) been the villains, hell, I think it would have worked more in a “WHAT A TWIST” kind of way. Cause if the idea is to use Frozen as a way to subvert old Disney tropes, then the Trolls as the villains obviously works that because they’re the stand in for the fairy godmother/3good fairies. You don’t even have to change much of their actions in the film, literally just make them the villain and suddenly all their stupid actions makes sense as a villain, forced marriage, why they removed Anna’s memories, why they encouraged such isolation of Elsa, etc. Of course doing this means you don’t get the “Prince Charming” as the villain, but personally I think the greater subversion would have just been that the Prince Charming is ok with not finding a princess and they both leave on good terms, that is more of a subversion in my book.

[@Lynn69420]

You know it's bad when a theory makes the plot looks better than the actual plot.

[@artbytesia]

​@@Lynn69420Yeah, really!

[@macayleangelina9892]

Elsa was not just an introvert, she didn’t just prefer being alone _most of the time,_ she wanted to be in total isolation _forever._ Which is especially concerning when you consider that she used to love spending time with Anna, the problem is that the movie worked really hard to show that Elsa felt more free this way and zero effort into showing that, obviously, she’s not gonna be happy with zero human contact for the rest of her life, in fact the only times they let her be sad or otherwise unhappy in her castle are when other people are visiting and/or intruding. The movie presents going into permanent isolation, a decision that means any loved ones you may have had are now for all intents and purposes dead to you and must never be contacted again, as a long-awaited vacation. This isn’t introversion, I live with two introverts, they are normal people that just happen to spend a lot of alone time.

[@frankisnot1148]

FINALLY I see someone saying this It'd take one, maybe two extra scenes to show that being completely alone once again DIDN'T help Elsa at all. But the way things are it looks like she was doing Just Fine until her sister barged in.

[@mcjohnerton]

man this is why I like watching your stuff, you point on things I couldn't quite put my finger on, and then you explain why it doesn't work and what they could have done better to make things hit right

[@endlesslylicy]

Frozen was a big part of my childhood, so it will always have a soft spot in my heart. But yeah, you're right, I never realized how many things don't make sense

[@artbytesia]

My mom: "Teacher's Pet is one of the stupidest movies ever!" *this movie comes along* Me: "...You were sayin'?"

[@AbrasiousProductions]

I watched frozen the year it came out and I absolutely despised it.. my sister was obsessed with it and played the "let it go" song to annoyance, I have genuine trauma from that insipid song.. every time I hear it, I actually get stress induced panic attacks, fuck this movie to the pits of hell

[@pokegirl2731]

Finally!!! Someone else recognizes that Frozen Heart is actually a good song!!! Most people forget about it but I actually find myself singing it more than the others. Awesome video!

[@artbytesia]

It's my favorite song from this film too! It's the only song that felt to me like an old Disney song!

[@artbytesia]

I recently wrote a 34-page paper explaining why I don't like this movie. 34 pages! I've written school essays way shorter than that!

[@artbytesia]

@@Of_infinite_Faith Sorry. My parents told me to delete it from my computer. They said keeping it around was making me bitter or something.

[@Antifearn]

If you want to see a musical animated film about a red-haired sibling and a sibling with ice powers who have to reconnect with one another and save a winter wonderland from a power-hungry, narcissistic villain alongside some cute side characters that is actually charming, cute, simple, well-animated, has strong female characters, and serves as a loving tribute to classic animation, go watch the 2008 Christmas special A Miser Brothers’ Christmas. It’s a childhood favorite and guilty-pleasure of mine and is a wonderful little tribute to Rankin/Bass’ Animagic specials. If you want to see an animated movie from 2013 that truly captures the feelings of isolation and anger, especially from a growing princess’ perspective, go watch The Tale of Princess Kaguya. It’s my all-time favorite film from Studio Ghibli and has some of the most beautiful animation ever put on screen.

[@PaintSplashProductions]

Just wanted to point out that this film was basically made in a year! After the directors heard Let it Go they immediately rewrote the whole movie(the movie that was already in development hell that calculates to around 20 years) to change Hans into the villain and Elsa the hero. I feel like if they didn't change the film so much or had more time most of the problems of this film would've been solved. But if the Frozen 2's BtS documentary says anything it probably wouldn't help

[@KaminoKatie]

The development hell for this movie actually dates back to the 1940's when Walt himself was still alive

[@PaintSplashProductions]

@@KaminoKatie I consider that a different film because when you look it up it was actually meant to be a bio-pic of Hans Christian Andersen’s including multiple of his films, the little mermaid, the ugly duckling, the little match girl etc. Making it into a film all it’s own really started in the late 80s-1990s when the Disney Renaissance was going on. Wish I could see the 90s script, I’ve seen the concept art and that would’ve been right up my alley

[@KaminoKatie]

@@PaintSplashProductions Even then, they've always wanted to adapt The Snow Queen in some form since the 1940's, but just can't seem to figure out how they can do their own spin on the story

[@PaintSplashProductions]

@@KaminoKatie Which is so weird when you think about because the book is perfect for an animated film, it even does it own deconstruction of the fairytale tropes, but for some reason when Disney touches it they somehow can't make it right

[@artbytesia]

​@@PaintSplashProductionsIronically, by trying to make the film "new," they ended up making it more clichéd than some, if not most, other Disney films.

[@FeraNelia]

My three main issues with this movie follow similiar lines: 1. All of Elsa's problems, insecurities and control issues are magically resolved by deus ex love at the end, just like that. And it bothers me. ESPECIALLY when people claim Elsa is supposed to represent depression; no, that's not how depression works, no matter how much love there is you just don't suddenly get better like that. This irritates me so much and makes the ending seem so rushed and forced as if they didn't know how to resolve the conflicts they had created. 2. The movie makes fun of tropes and yet falls back into them. It makes mockery of Anna wanting to marry a guy she just met; but then turns around to claim Kristoff's love for Anna is "real", even though he and Anna basically just met as well! They only spend a max few days together, and suddenly it's true love? It'd be better if the ending IMPLIED that they're gonna get together in the future after getting to know each other better, but nope, had to have some smooching right away. I know it's a Disney movie, but it tries so hard to play clever while still following the same trope anyway. 3. The trolls, the goddam trolls. They're useless, they steal precious time that could have been used to build the ending better and they completely break the pacing and tone of the film. They barely make any sense anyway. It's such a shame because I think the first half of the movie is amazing, but the second half falls so flat due to many issues that in the end the movie overall is just okay.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

I agree 100% with you. The trolls imo are just as annoying as the gargoyles from the Hunchback of Notre Dame, especially because both groups have the worst love songs from Walt Disney. They are also the real villains aside the parents. Elsa took like 18 years to remember she never had problems controlling her powers when Anna knew about them, and completely embraced it? And their parents literally taught her to basically ignore and hate them, just because she made a mistake. I feel the whole “Anna deeply loves Elsa because they’re sister” is so stupid BECAUSE that isn’t how distant relationships work realistically. Its similar to having a young mother give up her child for adoption, but never tries to contact them or have a role in their life. A kid isn’t just going to love their birth mother when they meet because “She’s my mother and I’d do anything for her” Plus Anna never even tries to understand from Elsa’s perspective why she acts the way she does, instead “love is the answer” And Anna, I strongly feel the movie would’ve been a lot stronger if she didn’t end up with Kristoff, knowing she never truly loved Hans but doesn’t fall for the second guy she ran into either, realizing she doesn’t need a man to be happy. It’s perfectly ok if Kristoff asked her on a date in the end or something like that, but they really kissed like they knew they wanted to get married someday? Like girl, you barely even know him and are like “Yep, boyfriend number one turned out to be a complete dick, so definitely number two given I at least knew him for two days!”

[@FeraNelia]

@@kristinahuchison2511 Yeah the love topics are really wonky in the movie, they try too hard to be clever

[@kristinahuchison2511]

@@FeraNelia well, I feel the movie was trying to hard to focus on pop culture and break certain tropes in previous princess films like the girl falling for the first hot guy, unless you’re Pocahontas, but we don’t talk about that. Or I feel Hans’ big outstanding trait of a Disney villain is “Everyone thought I was the Disney prince, but turns out I’m actually the bad guy who never actually loved her” Another thing could’ve been Anna noticed their parents spent a lot more time with Elsa, given I’m pretty sure they took care of Elsa’s needs entirely because they didn’t want anyone to know about Elsa’s secret. So maybe Anna gets jealous and feels she’s the unwanted child, and Elsa is the golden child who got all their parents’ attention, just for Elsa to tell her how emotionally abusive they really were.

[@celestiadrools9551]

@@kristinahuchison2511that honestly would have been a better concept.

[@artbytesia]

Yeah, this film's writing is like SpongeBob when he tries to go to work with untied shoelaces: constantly tripping and falling!

[@maxx2dxtreame]

I have to disagree with your argument with that Elsa wanted to be alone/ introverted. If anything that is an over simplification of the issue of Elsa's character. It's not that she wants to be alone she is also hiding who she truly is out of protecting her sister and others and as well as maybe herself seeing as how her parents where the ones to tell her to hide herself in the first place. As for my stand on the movie. I think it's an OK movie. Doesn't wow me, I think Disney was able to squeeze out one cheap tear from me but was never able to make that feeling consistent like how Up, inside out or Encanto did. Though started watching this since I never knew you just plain flat out despised this movie. I feel like the review was not one made of reason but hey we all have those movies that we just flat out hate.

[@hannahrohlfing7898]

Part of the reason that Elsa as hero/villain is so confusing is that yeah, she WAS going to be the villain, fullstop, and then Let It Go was too boss, I guess, to be her villain song so they made her into a heroish character instead

[@KaminoKatie]

Disney could've easily just have Elsa being an anti-villain

[@artbytesia]

​@@KaminoKatieOr taken out the song altogether so they could focus on the STORY.

[@silverscorpio24]

Thank you for mentioning the songs: aside from the intro song, none of them actually sound like they're based in Norway at all. And Hans is still the King of "Worst Disney Twist Villain"

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

Between him, Callaghan and Bellwether, they're all atrocious "villains".

[@snowboundwhale6860]

With Elsa's isolation I hadn't actually read her as being particularly introverted. She'd just grown up extremely isolated, and also with powerful magic that's easily capable of harming people, which is something she's understandably afraid of, but neither of those were what she'd wanted for herself. She self isolated because she was afraid of her magic hurting Anna/ others, and so didn't want to risk spending time together with them, but I didn't get the impression she'd still be choosing to do so if she wasn't afraid of hurting people/ didn't have said magic. Her control over the ice magic seems directly tied to her confidence in using it; She clearly demonstrates having good control over that magic UNTIL she accidentally hurts Anna with it (mostly because of Anna's own actions) and then gets spooked by the trolls> Then her parents don't provide proper support for her to master her magic and instead teach her she should try to hide and supress it, so she just learns to be afraid of it instead and thus loses the control she had, that is until much later when she runs off and finally accepts it again. So come the coronation, she's kind/ well meaning but also very isolated and very afraid of herself and the idea that she'll accidentally hurt others, and she's being put front and centre at a very important public event; She has every reason to be extremely anxious here regardless of whether she personally prefers solitude or company. The ice spills out and she runs off, and now after what must've been a highly nerve-wracking social event for her, she's back to being alone and this time further away than before, so she (thinks she) doesn't need to worry about her powers hurting others anymore and can finally let them run wild. Between the long isolation and repression, the sudden heavily populated social situation & anxiety about her magic, and then going back to being alone far enough away that her magic won't harm anyone (as far as she's aware), there'd probably be an immense sense of catharsis she'd be revelling in for quite some time. This catharsis, paired with the lingering sense that "it's better if I'm not around because if I were it'd put others in danger" that would inevitably be imprinted into the mind of this young lady who spent the latter half of her childhood locking herself away exactly because of such reasoning, basically explains why she'd respond to Anna trying to bring her back to the kingdom the way she does. Whether she's introverted or extroverted, she's still got years worth of isolation and harmful self perception instilled that tells her it's better if she stays away from others, and which makes her very anxious when she's around them. By the ending when she's brought back and happy to be around people again I'd though of that as more a "She's overcome her fear her own magic" moment than a "She's come out of her shell" one; End of Frozen Elsa is what I'd have expected Start of Frozen adult Elsa to have been like if she'd never been locked away in her room and told not to use her magic because it could hurt people. It's just my interpretation but I'd thought Elsa was an extrovert who had fair reason to be anxious around people and was avoiding them because of that anxiety, and (by the time she's an adult after years of being alone) expressed a preference for being alone because it didn't set off her anxiety; She ends the story overcoming that fear and finally being able to enjoy the company of others again without her mind screaming at her for being near them. Having interpreted it that way, I'd thought it was fine, it's nice enough, there's other problems with the movie that I have more reason to take issue with. However, if Elsa is an introvert who "overcomes her introversion and becomes an extrovert" however then yes I'd agree with your dislike for the ending. As said I'd thought she was extroverted underneath the anxiety, but she certainly could've been introverted and the only thing it'd change is the tone of Anna's actions and the vibes of the ending.

[@anthonyrinaldi1331]

I wanna know who was running the kingdom for the ten+ years while the girls were still kids. Was their a regent? Parliament? Council of nobles? They could have had some old guy with the title of Prime minister or something in the story. Someone good with keeping the economy afloat but not really the best politician and who wants to retire so is eager to have Elsa come unto the throne and take power so he can leave. He gets all distraught when Elsa flees and Anna (the one next in line) leaves to find her. Hans thus is able to sweettalk him and convince him to let him run things "temporally" until Elsa or Anna come back. This would be a good way to showcase how crafty and sly Hans is beyond seducing a naïve sheltered girl and show how he could seize real power once he gets rid of Elsa and Anna.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Their parents didn’t die until Elsa was 18. It was them oh course. I think you meant who was running things AFTER their deaths, given for whatever reason Elsa couldn’t become queen until she was 21. Which that isn’t even how it works. Literally when Henry VIII died, his infant son Edward became the king, but oh course a baby can’t even talk.

[@mirramirraonthewall]

Finally someone who agrees that Kristof is not that great of a character or love interest. If they wanted to change dynamics, then why include a love interest at all. Not only that but one where they constantly fight most of the time they’re together (which in itself is a dumb trope of “he’s only arguing with you cause he likes you.”)

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Agreed. Kristoff is by far one of my least favorite Disney princes. He’s above Florian and Charming, and maybe Philip. But that’s it. I found him so boring and Sven especially. Like he’s a 4 year old ice harvester who apparently has no family and is abandoned by the men, and is all of a sudden adopted by a bunch of stupid rocks so they serve an actual purpose in the story later aside giving bad parenting advice to Elsa’s parents. I thought the trolls don’t just reveal themselves to anyone? And their song is all about convincing the two they’re in love, they just haven’t realized it yet? THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW HANS AND ARE ALREADY JUDGING HIM AS THE BAD BOYFRIEND!! Or they don’t even recognize Anna as the princess they helped as a 3 year old, and are like “Cute girl who’s got good teeth! Yes, she’s perfect for our Kristoff!” And then singing a beyond annoying love song while she’s literally dying. I know a lot like that Kristoff isn’t like the other princes because he’s a supportive boyfriend who isn’t the hero in either movie. Uh, John Smith? Given he technically isn’t the hero in Pocahontas until he noticed Ratcliffe about to kill her dad? But yeah, Anna and Kristoff were pretty catty at first, and without him, Anna would’ve died several times in the movie. Another thing a lot liked was “Anna and Kristoff are more relatable because of their social awkwardness and goofy personalities” uh, they’re not the first relatable couple. Milo fell for a princess that was over 8000 years older than him, and struggled pronouncing her name. Or even Jane learning more about Tarzan’s way of life and vice versa. If anything I think the movie would’ve been a lot stronger if Anna didn’t end up with Kristoff, realizing she didn’t need a man to be happy, she didn’t actually love Hans, and towards the end of the movie kinda has a crush on Kristoff instead of passionately kissing him like she knows she’s going to marry him one day

[@artbytesia]

Exactly! That's one of the many ways in which this film contradicts itself!

[@EvelynL.1112]

I don't like Kristoff either. He's barely even a character.

[@artbytesia]

@@EvelynL.1112 He's also kind of pointless, though not as much as Olaf or the Duke.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

@@EvelynL.1112 agreed. Tbh the point of his character largely felt it was to make Anna end up with a different guy because “You can’t marry someone you just met” and basically making fun of nearly every Disney princess/heroine that ends up with the first dude, aside Meg and if you count Pocahontas 2 (who does) anyways, I feel his backstory was super random, is he an orphan that apparently no one missed when he got adopted by a bunch of rocks? Especially considering I thought the trolls don’t just reveal themselves to anyone…. But I feel the majority of Kristoff’s comparison is in a way comparing John Rolfe to John Smith tbh, and attempting to poorly explain why Pocahontas ended up choosing Rolfe over Smith. The main key is Kristoff and Rolfe have drastically different personalities and lifestyles from Smith and Hans. They don’t really have individuality aside “I’m the opposite of your first boyfriend and a much better fit for you”

[@Shmurph]

I've always hated the "Well, they're related" defense with regards to Elsa, Anna, and Iduna's character models effectively being palette swaps of each other. Sure, there are families that practically look like clones of one another, but that's real people, not characters designed for a movie. It was a conscious decision to make them almost identical rather than make any effort to give them unique appearances. It was fucking lazy. You can 100% make characters look related without giving them the same face. Look at Brave. Elinor and Merida most definitely look related to each other, but by no means do they have the same face. This was honestly just such a horrible interpretation of the source material and I'm so mad that they were going to have the movie follow the book originally, but changed direction, because the concept art for that version of the story was so good! Every design for the Snow Queen was leaps and bounds better than the bland party-city-ass look they settled on for Elsa. They all had more character and were so much more unique than "blond girl in blue dress"

[@fishnewt1331]

Honestly, I think the only songs I do like from the movie are “Let It Go” and “Love Is An Open Door”. Idina’s performance to me sounds no different from her others and she sounds great still in my opinion. The other, I am just a hopeless romantic. What can I say? I personally don’t mind the ice magic changing Elsa’s dress. Magic can sort of get away with anything by just being magic and after giving life to Olaf, I think we walked away from any sort of ground in reality and limitations with Elsa’s magic. Even moreso after that one short where Elsa can just make a flower dress….like, at least keep it ice themed! Why did we dip into flower magic too after her whole Schtick is established to be ice?!! At least make them winter flowers!! I agree personally that Disney’s attempts to subvert their tropes is a detriment. It’s not bad to want to tell various stories instead of just romance….but I don’t think we should shy away from them either. Especially as a reaction, rather than an actual desire to tell a different story. This is kind of just as much of a fault to the fandom as it is to Disney itself, since I think they took too much for granted that romance stories can be multi-faceted in their messages. Not just messages of love is the strongest magic and is wonderful. I severely hope the fandom has lightened up on the complaints on messages for romance because there is more to the messages from old princess stories. Like Snow White is about having a positive attitude even in trying circumstances. She isn’t a robot or just mindlessly ignorant of her circumstances. She was created during a time of war when men and women went through hardship. So she was a model of Hope that if you endured through crisis, you can come out with your dreams. Simple in its message, but very much needed. Cinderella was about how hard work and kindness can be rewarded for genuine souls. She was kind to her mice friends and bird friends and they aided her when she needed them the most because of her kindness. Not because she expected them to or anything. Such good messages lost onto the fandom because they were so hyper-focused on the romance aspects as if they were bad. Which they weren’t. A little outdated, but not inherently bad. Tell the story you want to tell. Give the message you want to give. That is my thought-process.

[@KaminoKatie]

Plus the fact that Snow White in Disney's adaptation is canonically 14

[@fishnewt1331]

@@KaminoKatie: Yeah. I also find it a bit sweet that she still had an innocent view of things like relationships, something that is a lot more jaded these days with devotion being put less emphasis on by the current generation.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

As far as “Elsa able to create a dress” goes, I don’t know. Disney kinda gave Elsa more powers outside of creating snow and ice, given in the second movie she’s able to look into the past by freezing the water because “water holds memories” so Disney kinda cheated with Elsa by expanding her powers beyond simply creating snow and ice. Like Rapunzel’s hair can only glow and heal anything, BUT she can’t resurrect people. Only additions she got was in the series when it regrows and she can’t cut it, and especially in the second season realizing there’s much more to the mysterious magic of the Sundrop Flower, she is granted the power of destruction, despite its really hard on her.

[@fishnewt1331]

@@kristinahuchison2511: Like I said, I don’t have a problem with Elsa making herself a dress. It’s the fact that it’s so off theme in the short. The Snow Queen makes a dress with spring-like flowers. Not even snow or winter flowers. Or icicle bedazzling in the shape of flowers. Straight spring flowers. It’s jarring and off theme for the sake of selling more dolls.

[@artbytesia]

My favorites are Frozen Heart and Vuelie.

[@_.lemontea_in_me._9240]

OK but can we talk about the fact that these environment designs are so awful, they just make the whole world feel really empty. Elsa's ice castle is a really good example of this because there is nothing in there except for like the one fountain she has there's no other décor, it's just walls and floor. For the First Time in Forever (Reprise) feel so boring because they are just standing there, they're not interacting with anything and they're not even walking around anything. Love is an open door also has this problem where there's not enough clutter in any of the environments to have the characters interact with more things. A lot of the designs just feel so hollow, the castle sure makes sense( even though there should be more staff around) but the the rest of the designs just don't work with how plain and lack of clutter there is. The only time you can actually see this working is Olaf song because it makes the whole world a lot brighter and more colorful and simplistic.

[@Fannintendociccio1]

Great points all around, you even found some small plotholes that I hadn't thought of before lmao. The only thing frozen is ultimately good for is for the material it gave to Sora and Riku drama in kh3 ahahaha. And even then, the fact Elsa likes it better alone and is clearly enjoying herself (definitely a remain of her villain past) goes opposite to the fact the emotional core of the movie should want Elsa and Anna be happily together, like Sora and Riku do for example, where Riku actively decides to stay away from Sora to not hurt him again and out of guilt and to protect him, but he is absolutely miserable in the process and ultimately ok with sacrificing/dying essentially for him because of it.

[@skysiren4113]

21:48 I'm autistic and a introvert myself and I don't think the movie handles the topic well. I think if the movie had it where Anna grows to understand that Elsa prefers to be by herself and that's ok I think it could've been a good message about how some people prefer to be on their own but it doesn’t mean they don't care about you or can't have fun

[@icecreamhero2375]

The movie isn't saying introversion is bad. It's saying that people can't help you when you are sad of you don't open up to them. Elsa wasn't really happy. She thought her ice powers made her a monster. Did you see the second movie where Anna becomes queen and Elsa lives in the forest.

[@artbytesia]

​@@icecreamhero2375You know what other movie teaches that? Inside Out!

[@icecreamhero2375]

@@artbytesia Yep.

[@7fallingstars]

If they wanted a true villain after they decided Elsa was no longer one, they should have made it the one that started the ball rolling in the original tale, the demonic mirror. They could have made the mirror its own character gifted to an unsuspecting Royal family not knowing it causes mayhem and downfalls of various Kingdoms. It would have made perfect sense since not only the remnants of the mirror shards in the original tale brought out the worst in people, it would justify Hans stupid about face if he had some resistance to it before losing his battle when trying to give Anna true love's kiss. I know it would have cost them time and money but at least it would have been a better solution than misunderstandings, stupid decisions, and the badly executed twist villain.

[@J_Flower]

It was very interesting hearing your thoughts on Frozen. I personally am more mixed on it, honestly it depends on the day if I like the movie to just being tired of it. But even despite your different opinions, great video! However when you mentioned liking hearing the two leads sing a duet I couldn’t help remembering and going back to listen to a cut song ‘Life’s too short’. It is a different version of the scene that has ‘For the first time in forever reprise’ and maybe Im just a sucker for duets where the vocalists conflict with one another but I have been obsessed with the song ever since I found it so many years ago. It also brings up some interesting cut ideas like a prophecy that get me thinking about what Frozen could have been. Not to mention the extremely short but heart wrenching ‘Life’s too short reprise’, where Elsa is locked up and Anna is freezing. If you are interested, I would highly recommend those songs. Edit: typo

[@PhoenixSora]

What's baffling is that Tetsuya Nomura, while working on Kingdom Hearts 3, saw a sneak peek of Frozen, and he loved it and wanted make it more interesting. Sadly, Disney placed lots of guidelines and restrictions that forces Nomura to edit a lot of things. And what's worst, "Let it Go" gets a free pass, while "Want to build a Snowman" was underused with dialogue overshadowing it. Not to mention the Frozen trailer for KH3 was one of the trailers that reveals a lot of the plot regarding the game. The pacing is lame, and the plot of Frozen was irrelevant to Kingdom Hearts in general. I hate Frozen, because everytime i think of it, i'll always think of how badly it was executed in KH3, especially with "Let it Go"!

[@kiirouser]

Yes, I hate frozen TOO MUCH too. First, it's true. The women have the same design, and I know a lot of people are going to say "the genetics" but even in old movies mothers have certain differences that separate them from their daughters. Elsa and Anna's mother is simply the model of Elsa with Anna's hair but darker. Second, the story is confusing and doesn't make sense, it tries to give messages throughout the movie but it feels more like "Hey! Do you want to see a girl with super ice powers and her sister go on a great adventure?" Third, I can't empathize with any character, unlike many Disney movies at least you care about one. I hate that they had to make Elsa the center of attention, because yes. Because I don't think she's a good protagonist, apparently everything depends on her because... she's the oldest... literally her, in both movies, she just runs away, sings, uses her powers and in both she leaves Anna injured . Another thing is that it tries to be like a classic but modern tale, trying to parody the classics like Snow White, and I hate it. Because it's as if Disney didn't understand their own movies, Snow White was from another era and the story is incomplete, because animation work was more difficult at that time. But even I think it also falls into what she wants to parody, Anna leaves her first love and finds another. (In the second movie, Elsa leaves everything for a world she has barely known) And I think Hans could have been a good villain, but they didn't do it the right way and it just seems forced... they just said "Well, this is going to be totally different from the old stories, so the prince will be the villain... " Well I think the main reason why I hate Frozen so much is because it's just a movie to say, "Look, we're modern, princesses don't need a prince charming anymore...", I think movies like Moana and Tangled (And Brave from Pixar) they do that so much better. Not only with the prince, but the woman being adventurous and they also give a better message about leadership, lately people only see princesses as pretty women but I think that this title is much more than just that. That's my opinion, good video. P.D: Although I think the music sounds good and I think the animators did a good job, it doesn't save that the story is so weak and meaningless, I hate stories like descendants but I love the songs, and in all my life I don't think I have repeated Frozen songs, maybe just "let it go", and that was when I was much younger.

[@artbytesia]

Pretty much right there with you. What good is a movie trying to be new when the story is a muddled mess? I do respect it for trying to be new, but I deem having your story make sense a higher priority!

[@artbytesia]

My mom said that kids don't care about the story, they just care about the princesses, colors, snowman, and reindeer. That just worries me about the IQ of kids. Not to mention that reasoning like that is exactly why we have garbage like Norm of the North and the Alpha and Omega sequels, because the people behind those had the exact same mentality. "Oh, this is for kids, and kids don't care about the story, so it doesn't matter how we write it!" No, no, no, no, no. It does matter. In the world of filmmaking, the story matters a great deal. If you ask me, I'd say that kids not caring about the story is exactly why you should put effort into making it as good as possible, BECAUSE kids don't know any better. It's a counterintuitive technique. After all, you're still giving them the stuff about which they do care without draining their IQ points.

[@islasullivan3463]

Really seems like they could’ve just had Hans as a love interest for Anna and had weasel guy be the big bad.

[@mittag983]

Who is weasel guy?

[@islasullivan3463]

@@mittag983 The guy with white hair who was doing trade with them.

[@mittag983]

@@islasullivan3463 Ah the skinny old man

[@artbytesia]

Yeah, that would have made a lot more sense.

[@llamasmeowing2061]

There’s a HUGE difference between introversion and years of guilt induced seclusion in a tiny room

[@zoeb3573]

Your point about Idina's performance is interesting, because I've always thought Elsa sounded weirdly strained and... old? especially considering she's supposed to be 21. But it's even more apparent in Frozen 2, for some reason she speaks super quietly but sounds, and I don't know how else to put it, like she's either been through a very bad cold (ah) or has been abusing cigarettes and her voice isn't quite all there. She only manages to sound somewhat normal when she sings, and even then. .And I get it, Idina is 50, but she doesn't sound so strained when she speaks in other media. Was it a CHOICE for the performance? Did they ASK HER to play the role that way? if so, why? Also... it never ocurred to me before that the staff would have seen Elsa use her magic before and it didn't make sense that none of them were aware until the party. What I HAVE thought about is the politics and believe me, it gets so much worse the more you think about it.

[@nocturnalcove9736]

Reason why I don't like the film: It's clearly not the fairytale it's based off of. Frozen is The Snow Queen and yes, the story is wild and would be perfect for Disney. It's got Devils, a magic mirror, a long adventure with pirates and a talking animal. Elsa should be the villain and concept art did go in this direction. How can you mess up this badly?!

[@sugarpuffartemis]

I want to see you look at the musical now, I personally think they fixed a lot of stuff from the movie with the stage show (each to their own, of course) and I wonder what you’d think of it.

[@stinkymrsnow..............]

Olaf is my most hated cartoon character of all time, and I’m also not a big fan of the animation either. Tangled came out 3 years before but the animation had so much more detail and was a better film in general.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Agreed. I don’t hate Olaf but he’s so annoying because he’s constantly talking, especially during serious moments. And his goal is the comic relief with his constant jokes about unknowingly melting in summer or near the fireplace. Like Maximus is a million times funnier. I know Tangled definitely isn’t underrated, but its sadly is massively overshadowed by Frozen. Like the animation, art, music, characters and arcs, storytelling, EVERYTHING is leagues better than Frozen. And despite Frozen’s success is largely based on little kids being wowed by a Disney princess that has powers (aside Pocahontas, who’s always overlooked) and sisterly love (despite Lilo and Nani have a far more superior sister story), I feel Tangled will hold up a lot better as a classic than Frozen in the future

[@stinkymrsnow..............]

@@kristinahuchison2511 Completely, the Frozen franchise in general is not trashy but mid AF. Btw Pocahontas doesn't have powers, the reason why the movie is really problematic is a whole different story

[@kristinahuchison2511]

@@stinkymrsnow.............. well, she freaking wind bends in the last scene to help the ship get going. Also, not to be disrespectful or anything, but I don’t compare Disney Pocahontas to the actual story. Though yes I feel if their names were different and it wasn’t based on a real story a lot more people would like Pocahontas as a movie. Its really sad she’s one of the less popular Disney princesses because of how dark the real story is

[@stinkymrsnow..............]

@@kristinahuchison2511 The wind bending could probably just be symbolism but Kida and Rapunzel definitely 100% have powers

[@kristinahuchison2511]

@@stinkymrsnow.............. I disagree. Like the girl even bends time to show John the grinning bobcat constellation. But also its the wind magic that allowed them to fix the language barrier issue, he’s immediately surprised when she all of a sudden can understand him. But also the wind in a way represents their love, when Powhatan tells her “I can feel your mother’s spirit in the wind and can still feel her love. Our people look to her for wisdom and strength.” Which is exactly what Pocahontas uses to save everyone, her love for both John and her people and his. Legit if you compare Pocahontas to other Disney movies, it actually has a lot of windy scenes, specifically when she’s with John. Even in the awful sequel her dad bends wind to help get the ship going for London. And again when John Smith is actually alive, Pocahontas is conflicted with her remaining feelings for him, and when she makes peace in her heart she doesn’t love him that way anymore, Rolfe feels the wind and sees Pocahontas, indicating he’s her soulmate now. The wind in both movies (despite I hate the sequel so much) represents love, both for her people but mostly used for romantic love.

[@matheusdemello2323]

I kinda like the Frozen Movie, Let It Go is that song where it was everywhere so I understand that people wouldn’t like it. So it’s nice to hear someone else say the movie suck, thanks for sharing your opinions with us. I’ve always felt that I’m being held hostage with liking the movie so it’s freeing for me to hear you shit on this film. Thank you.❤

[@artbytesia]

It's not just that it's everywhere, it's that it's not very well-written, some of it is annoying to which to listen, and worst of all, it basically destroyed the movie! I'm serious! Because the creators thought the song sounded too positive to be a villain song, instead of using their gray matter and either rewriting the song or taking it out to leave room for the story, they went all "Herp derp, let's rewrite the whole movie! 🤪" Give me a friggin' break!

[@Gwen1661]

There really was no need to make Hans a twist villain. As you pointed out, they could've still used him and Anna to show that what they belived was true lvoe was simply either a crush or not meant to be after Anna spent more time with Kristoff. It still could've lead to the true love thing with the sisters!! But no, we need bad writing.

[@artbytesia]

The only reason they did that was because they wanted the film to have a villain. Apparently they forgot about the Winnie the Pooh films or Finding Nemo.

[@traviscunningham7062]

Or Brave

[@artbytesia]

​@@traviscunningham7062 Yeah, that too.

[@CodeTetsu]

I never noticed Repunzel and Flinn before. That’s a cool detail. I think this video had a lot of really weird nitpicking near the start, but as things got further in there are definitely story issues. The movie doesn’t really have anything worth hating it over, but it’s not really an amazing movie. Personally I never feel the need to rewatch it. It’s just kinda there. What they were going for was a bit different albeit executed not great and I can appreciate that.

[@MordredPendragon7997]

And then the sequel makes about as much sense as the original Frozen does. I'm sure there are other things, but the main things I remember not making sense are the fact that Elsa and Anna spent more than ten years apart because of their parents and it's never addressed, and if their mom was part of a group of people that knew about magic, it's kind of weird that she decided to go along with the plan to hide Elsa's magic.

[@artbytesia]

🙄 Mom, how could you possibly think the second film is "cohesive"?

[@OneTaker]

Do not hate frozen, but I'm willing to hear out others' views and opinions on it. Ok,I get all the Hans points and do feel it was alast-minute idea to have it be the twisty twist. Having a twist like that you need to have better " hints" to look for on a second watch. It gives films like that good rewatch value. But him saving Elsa and asking her to stop the storm to save the kingdom dose make sense to me, mostly cos they don't know that unaliving her would stop the storm and of course he wants to save the people. Bit pointless to become a king of a kingdom with no people. This may make other actions he takes make less sense, but feel it does it makes sense to get her to end the storm, than unalive her and hope the storm will end. Feel free to correct me if I have missed or forgotten something. Also feel that Anna not being able to leave the house makes sense as she is 1st/2nd in line, there both too young to have heirs and there is likely a protocol to protect them from outside. Dispite what people think there is royal protocol that stops royals from being able to do what they want. Frozen heart is definitely the best song, but think troll Song was worst. Let it go I think was good but it was played, covered and parodied waaaay to much at the time that people just got sick of it. Looking forward to your review of frozen 2, by popular demand XD

[@artbytesia]

Also, if his plan was to kill Elsa, then why didn't he just do it while she was in the dungeon? It was a perfect opportunity and there was no one to stop him!

[@neuesachlichkeit6919]

I like the turquoise and purple gown. Ish. I appreciate that you did list things you like, and that I'm not the only one that finds the most throatjammed of the songs utterly excruciating.

[@saladcaesar7716]

Another plot hole. In the scene where he gets adopted by trolls, HE SAW the royal family. He knew Elsa has magic power. And said nothing ? He said nothing to Ana ? He could told Ana, btw I saw the trolls removing your memories.

[@artbytesia]

Not only that, but if he heard the troll leader mention how he couldn't cure a frozen heart, why did he think taking Anna to them was a good idea when she gets hit in the heart?

[@maykechi7752]

Personally I thought this film was okay to average, especially by Disney standards. Of course, the real problem with the film is the sheer *level* of overexposure for the past decade. Honest Trailers hit the nail on the head when they said it was adjusted for inflation with 2 princesses, 2 cute sidekicks, 2 princes, and three orphans.

[@somescottishlassie891]

Nah killing the parents in a Disney movie isn't a trope it's a tradition.

[@KaminoKatie]

Especially if you consider the fact that Walt's mother ended up dead due to the gas leakage in their new home that he bought for them after the success of Snow White

[@gravenwolf6535]

I enjoyed the movie but I don't mind hearing your critique on it. It's not like I'm going to get triggered and start harassing or threatening you like a "certain fandom" from a popular show.

[@rexlumontad5644]

The Judgmental Critter giving this movie quite a... Frozen reception.

[@silverscorpio24]

I'd like to point out too that Elsa is pretty dumb in this movie. 1. She could've just handed the queenship to Anna. 2. Once her ice castle was built, Elsa doesn't do anything else. There's no food. No water. She left her kingdom in a confused mess. What exactly was her plan after she "Let it Go"? 3. The ending still irks me. You're telling me in the twenty-some years Elsa's been alive with her powers she never once thought of Anna and noticed her ice went away? She and her parents never experimented with how to control it other than "conceal, don't feel"? I don't buy it.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

1. Anna was too much of an immature bimbo to be made into a queen. 2. That's precisely why Let It Go sucks as a song : she sings about letting go of her interiorized self-loathing and repression and finally express her powers.................only to spend the movie STILL brooding over being dangerous and having no control. 3. Lazy writing makes for convenient and forced plot points. Just like the sisters growing completely isolated without any servant figure to help them (you know, like Sebastian or Lumiere and Cogsworth), or her parents and the trolls being the direct cause of every problem they have.

[@artbytesia]

​@@yrooxrksvi7142 When Double Rainboom, a 30-minute video made by COLLEGE STUDENTS, is written better than a 90-something movie made by ADULTS, you have problems!

[@haruhideki]

I think you have good points and how not everyone can like everything and still share your idea about things in a reasonable way. I personally never liked Kristoff and the Trolls with the idea about love with how they acted. I do enjoy the traditional looking design of the clothing and setting of frozen. I really enjoy looking at the concept art of the design of the characters with how much personality are in them and the more 2D hand drawn look still makes me sad that we don't get more like that.

[@nintendonoko2954]

Well... Now you have to make a video about your thoughts on Frozen 2 😂 Great vid!

[@thesilverprincess]

I really like this video, but I’d like to bring up one point. Fixer Upper was meant to waste Anna’s time. Kristoff brings her to the trolls because he thinks that the wise one(the one that did the memory magic at the start) will be able to heal her. The rest of the trolls waste time with the song as Kristoff tries to get to the wise one and when it’s over, the wise one gives them vague directions about what they need to do. When Anna is desperately trying to get to Elsa as she freezes, and you think about how if that song had been skipped she’d have had more energy, that’s right. It’s a tragic moment in the movie. Kristoff thought he could help her, but inadvertently made everything worse. It’s not an amazing song, and it does call into question why Kristoff thinks they’re love experts, but it does have a purpose in the story.

[@mray4784]

Finally someone who doesn't think this movie is a great revolution.

[@fluorite1965]

The singing is plain nerve-wracking.

[@artbytesia]

​@@fluorite1965 Most of it is pretty pointless too.

[@vicentetemes5793]

Critter: "I am finally going to explain why I legendarily ABHOR Frozen, because everyone has asked me about it for a long time!" Me, someone who has never watched the movie, is not interested in it, and did not fucking know about this ancient enimity: "Oh, spill the tea!"

[@skyslasher2297]

So I guess you could say you're rather Cold on the subject.

[@SpectreBagels]

Buh Dum Tssssss

[@Jojo7896]

0:50 so this part really got me examining the designs of the characters closer and now I can't unsee what she's talking about, the big eyes and tiny mouth and nose thing is now just kind of weirding me out. everyone looks strange now. 😐

[@weirdo5933]

Sweet mother of god, I though I was bananas bonkers for not liking Let it Go. FINALY, I AM NOT ALONE. It just felt like a weaker version of what Defying Gravity was doing and even then I just thought it was a meh pop girl boss ballad. Fun fact, I was in the car with my mom once and I asked her if she was feeling the Disney music that day and she looked confused, until I realized that she wasn’t using her playlist they where actually playing Let It Go on radio. What a day

[@Its_McKennon]

I think it says a lot that most of the critiques here are just personal nitpicks, not actual flaws in the movie. "I hate this song cause it played on the radio a lot" or "I think the character design is really bad" is fine, but I was expecting a lot more in depth arguments than that. Most of the points made, I could just say "Yeah, but you need to suspend your disbelief, it's a movie about magic." So what if her magic changing her dress doesn't make sense? That's not the point of the scene, it's a visual representation of her change from when she was a captive in the castle. The fact that she made it to the hill in an hour, and it took her sister a couple of days isn't the point. You can nitpick literally any movie ever, but the small tiny details that were over looked when filming/writing the scene are so unimportant to what the scene is actually about. The products that Wesslton are importing to Arendelle is not important in any way to the film. The point of the scene is to show that Elsa is a morally upright queen cutting ties with NOT a morally upright town. To be honest, this feels like an April fools video, like Critter is trying really hard to nitpick things that are not important at all to the actual film, in an attempt to parody movie reviews or something. It did crack me up when you talked about how the sisters and the mother all have the same face though, I was like "But they are all related, that's the mom and her 2 daughters!" lol :D I do understand your point, but they should look alike.

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

It's almost like the video it called "Why do I hate Frozen so much" and not "What makes Frozen a bad movie".

[@Its_McKennon]

@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 For sure, you're right. I didn't mean those aren't valid points for your opinion of the movie! I watch a lot of movie reviews, and I guess I had a different mindset going in, expecting something other than a lot of personal problems with the film. Forget I said anything, this is a me issue.

[@doodlebug4360]

You know what the funniest thing is for me. As someone who lives under a monarchy, Hans' plan is really stupid. Even if both Elsa and Anna died, he wouldn't get the throne. It'd go off to a distant relative. Even if Anna and him had children. The throne would pass to the children, never to him. His best case scenario would've been to have children with Anna, kill her after the child's been born and rule as his child's regent.

[@zerotohero1483]

VINDICATIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOON!!!!! That is all i have to say

[@lordscourge9395]

Same

[@tamarrartis2918]

Anna unlike Princess Jasmine, Rapunzel (the other princesses) never left or sneak out the castle. She totally and completely obeyed this rule about closing the gates and being a shut-in? even though later when the royal? officials advised her not to pursue her sister she did anyway? What the heck? Its amazing the things I didn't question before this video?

[@artbytesia]

Were you too busy glossing over the pretty visuals or something?

[@Retrogradeinversion]

Ok, I’m with the person who posted this review. I didn’t watch this movie when it came out because it looked like predictable, formula, Disney slop. People kept urging me “watch it, it’s good”. I finally said ok and watched it. My initial impression was correct,I didn’t like it. Bad movie.

[@billvolk4236]

Frozen feels like the culmination of the general self-absorbed "be yourself" kids movie. The narrative doesn't care even a little bit that a main character's personal journey of self-love has caused a massive famine and ecological catastrophe.The fact that she's not afraid of hurting anyone anymore bodes ill for the nation she is now in charge of, full of starving people that she has already hurt a great deal and could hurt more at her whim. It's an even more self-absorbed movie than Encanto, which literally has an emotional climax of the main character admiring her own reflection and basking in her own greatness.

[@MoonlightBrillance]

Very interesting. I’d love to hear more of your thoughts on Encanto🐸☕️

[@billvolk4236]

@@MoonlightBrillance You can at least kind of get why the town would be fawningly loyal to the Madrigals because they've been providing all the town's food, medicine, and heavy labor for free for years. Arendelle's royal family offer nothing but disasters and implied threats.

[@thomasraines1396]

Wow that’s messed up.

[@ladyheavdev]

Turning Red is exactly that! I'm sick of the same old "You're awesome the way you are" movies, especially if the main characters (ie Elsa and Meilin) are so damn unlikable. If I see another one of these coming out this year I'm gonna lose all faith in the children's film industry

[@billvolk4236]

@@ladyheavdev Turning Red was not as bad as Frozen because at least Mei was not causing horrific collateral damage that we weren't supposed to care about.

[@mari_golds-bleeding-ink]

I gotta be honest, the trolls and Elsa’s parents failed her. Like, looking back on Elsa’s isolation, it didn’t look so much like she was more comfortable having personal space as it did that she was scared she was going to hurt more people. From what I remember, her parents split Elsa off from everyone, even her own sister, and teach her how to constrain her powers rather then control them, and let her grow up almost constantly repressing her own feelings because she was scared the slightest slip up would lead to another accident injuring whoever she was with. Which was probably why she felt free in the mountains, where she wouldn’t be responsible for everyone. Granted I’m not an introvert, but I thought the movie was trying to communicate not to run away from your problems, and had just jacked up the message thanks to an already roughly written script. That being said, I do see where your coming from. The movie probably wouldn’t have said issue if they had treated what that old troll said and what her parents did as wrong and showed how repressed it had made Elsa and that there were better ways for her to overcome that, but I don’t think the writers thought it through. While I like this movie, it needs a good rewrite and maybe a longer runtime. Or maybe even a mini series so the relationships and ideas could be properly expanded upon and built up to and the subversions wouldn’t be so slapped on feeling.

[@TheLastHylianTitan]

Writing this before I watch the video - I have many many gripes with this movie but one of my personal biggest is the fact that the trolls look the way they do. There are so many different kinds of trolls in folklore - the nökken, the nisse, the huldre, the fucking jötunn from Norse mythology - but instead of exploring the rich mythology they had at their feet, they opted for “Little Rock People that all look and act the same” LAME Kristoff could have been raised by a variety of trolls with a spectrum of attitudes towards humans, in a mystical magical forest full of giants and dwarves and strange things that might have held the key to controlling Elsa’s powers. Also? How interesting would it have been if Kristoff kept his distance from and was wary of humans despite he himself being human? That would have made an interesting parallel to Elsa’s own self-isolation and that could have been a plot point for both of them to connect over and reflect on why they separate themselves from other people and whether or not that choice makes them happy. Like there could have been a lot of ways to go about this. Maybe Kristoff was raised by a troll hundreds of times his size. Maybe he was raised by a troll he could carry in his hand. Maybe he had a huldra sweetheart that Anna could have butted heads with. Maybe being with the trolls for so long warped Kristoff and he had powers of his own, or like a tail or something. Also? Fae can see right through lies so imagine Kristoff being able to immediately tell that Hans was trying to pull a fast one, or hear Elsa claim that she’s fine with being alone and being able to tell that she’s lying to herself. Like anything! Anything but what we got. Because what we got was lame and unimaginative and the song was cringe and like it added nothing to the general plot.

[@isnimshchikov]

I strongly recommend you to watch explanation point's video about frozen's french dub. I think you will like the french version a lot more. It doesn't fix animation, but changes personalities of main characters. Well, just watch the video, it's great

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

I have! Explanation Point has top tier content! :D

[@IamayMizono]

The dress was my biggest complaint too, and Hans. So my head canon is that this movie underlining message is fear, specifically how fear makes people act. So this movie didn't need a villain, weaselton was unnecessary and Hans didn't need to pull an (obvious) fast one. He could have actually been a nice guy who legitimately wanted to marry Anna. But as the movie goes on he sees the kingdom getting colder and more frozen he begins to fear Elsa's powers. Anna then shows up with a mortal wound and the situation really hits him. His fear of Elsa and possibly having to be stuck in the kingdom with her could have him second guess his feelings for Anna causing the kiss to not heal her heart. Or he becomes afraid that his feelings aren't enough to help Anna and is thinking that he's only known her for a couple days "do I really love her?" This way the ending of Elsa healing Anna doesn't have to change and if you really wanted Hans to try to kill Elsa you could say that he really thought killing her would unfreeze everything and Anna. The fear is what gives the majority of the characters the motivations behind their actions, yes the script would need heavy redoing, but this could've been a great message had Disney gone this way. This may also explain why, instead of taking charge of the kingdom, Anna goes after Elsa. She clearly hasn't had any training on how to run a kingdom, so afraid of the responsibility, she ignores it and goes after the person who has this training. The movie had potential but I'm sure the writers were given a checklist they had to go by.

[@artbytesia]

Why didn't YOU write it? That sounds better than what we got!

[@IamayMizono]

@@artbytesia Why thank you. That's the best compliment I've gotten.

[@artbytesia]

@@IamayMizono You're welcome! But seriously, how is it that KZbinrs like you have come up with better ideas for how this film could've gone than the actual filmmakers?

[@IamayMizono]

@@artbytesia I think a mix of hindsight and no politics. After all now that the movie's out we can see where things went wrong. Originally the movie was going to be closer to the book and have Elsa be the villain but that was changed a little late into production. I don't know why Disney changed the script so dramatically, but I believe it has something to do with the shareholders. They really limit what writers can do and that's really sad.

[@artbytesia]

@@IamayMizono I'll tell you why they changed it. Three words: "Let It Go." Yep, that song is the reason we have what we do now. Y'see, they thought the song sounded too positive to be a villain song, so instead of being smart and being like "Let's rewrite it to sound more villainous" or "Let's just forget about the song; after all, we have a story to tell," they went all "Herp derp, let's rewrite the whole movie!" *facepalm* ...Why? Just...why?

[@peanut4668]

1:30 Fun fact in the concept art of tangled Eugene was supposed to be chubbier and while I adore the movie tangled I feel like it would’ve been nice to see what Eugene looked like based on his concept art

[@FF-tp7qs]

I hated how Elsa was told to hide her powers and be afraid of them, which just meant that it would be an even bigger problem later, instead of learning to control them. An Let it Go was about her deciding to not give a rats ass about anybody except herself, never mind she would doom everyone in Arendelle to freeze and/or starve to death.

[@artbytesia]

Don't forget that also she's singing about how she's not gonna be afraid anymore, and then when Anna shows up, she decides to be scared again, which means we're right back to where we started and the whole song was completely pointless!

[@thomasraines1396]

So Anna being frozen (and only being unfrozen because “power of love”) is because the rock trolls wasted minutes on their stupid song. Anna just comes off as a whiny crybaby, leave the castle, talk to the servants (there’s literally hundreds of them) so her “I can’t live like this anymore!” is dumb. When it comes to Hans smiling after Anna leaves I haven’t seen people use that as “proof” of him being evil, a lot of people see it as just a goofy smile, not sinister.

[@MatthewTheEmperor]

I remember me and my brother being forced to watch this movie as kids and I hated every second of it... Granted I despise everything Disney has ever made is currently making and will ever make but still being forced to watch this damn movie didn't help all I wanted was to watch Nature Documentaries not this!

[@Celestia368]

21:50 I have to say, I’m sorry, but I don’t really agree. Like, no, we should be happy Elsa is abandoning her sister. Sure, she can't hurt anyone anymore, but is further isolation from society *really* what Elsa needs? Is having nobody in her life to confide in going to finally make her happy? To me, even as an introvert, it implies that seeking emotional reconciliations with the people you love is bad, which I’m sure they also didn’t intend. That's not what the end of the movie is telling me, it's telling me that love was the answer this whole time. She doesn't come to this realization on her own and she doesn't return to Anna or Arendelle by choice, she’s forcefully brought back. The movie doesn't allow Elsa to cope with her depression in a healthy manner I *do* understand your point, though and feel free to disagree! This is just my opinion Great video though! Can’t wait for more ❤

[@vm141789]

Logic: Exists Frozen: “We don’t do that here.”

[@artbytesia]

Indeed!

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Not to diss anyone who actually loves this movie, but I was actually meh when I finally watched it. Yeah it’s cute seeing a different kind of love save the day, but I still feel it was very poorly written. I know Anna still did love Elsa, even if she wasn’t allowed to know why she acted the way she did. I completely blame the trolls and especially their parents for awful parenting. Its not like they wouldn’t be able to save Anna a second time. And her dad literally made Elsa feel like a freak when he scolded her for ACCIDENTALLY injuring Anna, instead of reassuring her it was an accident and just to be more careful. Tangled is so much better in basically every way to the point its a lot better than most of the Renaissance movies imo. Its my second favorite right behind the Lion King! Its a simple story that takes a hilarious twist on a fairytale, but all the characters are so enjoyable and likable in their own way, especially Max and Flynn Rider. Even Pascal who is so much better than an annoying snowman who never shuts up and is basically the annoying kid in the story. I love Rapunzel like a million times more than Anna, who imo was slightly annoying and immature in certain scenes. And I agree, Kristoff is a hypocrite when lecturing Anna about marrying a man she just met, but then his family convinces him through the most annoying song in the movie “You two are made for each other and are in love, you just haven’t realized it yet!” What was the point of those dumb rocks aside having an annoying “love” song and deeming Hans as the problem despite they don’t even know him? Tbh I don’t even really get why people love Anna and Kristoff, especially with the sequel they had poor communication and hardly any scenes together. Don’t hate them but don’t love them either. The animation as well feels actually more cartoony and flat than Tangled, partly because it doesn’t have the same unique usage of colors, instead sticking with winter colors and grey. Also, forgot to mention but I completely agree with Sven being basically a dog trapped in a reindeer’s body. And his whole “Kristoff can understand me and talks for me so the audience can understand me” is so cheesy. Sven literally is the dumber version of Max, who was a bloodhound after the kingdom’s most wanted. And his dynamic with Flynn is so much entertaining and funnier because they started as sworn enemies to becoming best buddies, both wanting to help Rapunzel. All Sven does is convince Kristoff he’s in love with Anna, and acting like a horse to Anna to the castle. Otherwise he’s basically a pet with almost no other purpose aside being with Kristoff since he was a calf. Like the entire movie imo felt it was dumbed down for children. And I totally agree Hans has got to be one of the worst villains ever. He had several chances to kill Elsa and his soldiers would’ve testified it was an accident, and they were trying to defend themselves. Instead we get this cringy “Oh Anna. If only there was someone out there who loved you.” WHY NOT HE KISSES HER AND IT DOES NOT WORK?! Or Anna realizes she’s fallen for Kristoff and she never actually loved Hans, it was infatuation. So once again Disney has failed for the third time of trying to create a love triangle, first two with Pocahontas and Esmerelda. Why can’t we have one where it’s resolved cleanly and we aren’t slightly mad at the winner (looking at you Pocahontas and John Rolfe or poor Quasi having to accept Esmerelda never loved him that way)

[@artbytesia]

What is this movie? Norm of the North? Yes, I went there. It's got practically the same quality of writing. Why does Frozen get a free pass?

[@TheHetzer-xy9lb]

To me it's a fairly mediocre movie but everything about it got blown out of proportion because of it's massive success.

[@artbytesia]

Which it really doesn't deserve.

[@kingacrisius]

Commenting before I watch the video: I never really liked Frozen, but I wasn't sure why. Hopefully this video can help me place why it just didn't work for me.

[@hiiamelecktro4985]

I like frozen because I got to watch it as one of the first in my country. And then it became huge. Felt cool as a 11 y old to say “yeah, I watched it before all of you” We have this thing called “sinterklaasfeest”. It a holiday a bit like Christmas but it only focuses on the magical old man that brings you gifts (sinterklaas). Because of my mom’s work I got to go to the movie theater on a day it was closed. Watch a movie that just got released. And got a bord game as a gift from Sinterklaas. This would happen every year from when I was something like 9 until I was 12 (with different movies and games). I watched Frozen, wreck it ralph, Puss in Boots. And probably a few more I don’t remember. Sadly after becoming older then 12 I wasn’t allowed to go to the event anymore 😢 So why do I like Forzen? Because a magical old man gave me free gifts, candy and movies. Ps: Sinterklaas as a concept was brought over to the USA by Dutch immigrants, changed a lot (they got rid of the black face for example, which I do think is a good change). And that’s how Santa Claus happened. We also have him now. So we got 2 magical old men that bring us gifts at the end of the year. One is early December and one in late December.

[@melvisgreymystery1433]

One thing that always stuck with me was my choir director telling us about how unhealthy Idina Menzel's singing style is. I believe she even had vocal nodules. As much as I enjoyed Wicked, every time I hear her sing my throat gets sore just thinking about it. Frozen is painful to listen to because of that fact.

[@KaminoKatie]

Yikes

[@AdventureHusky]

Ok, lets say Elsa accidentally creates an "eternal" winter because since she was young she struggled controlling her powers and shut herself away of her own accord in fear of harming those she loved resulting in her exploding in an emotional spiral in the present after Anna argues with her in the ballroom. Anna, goes after her, leaving Arendelle in the hands of the Duke and Hans thinking they can be trusted. (While Hans is doing a great job for the people, the duke is framing Elsa as a witch and trying to figure out the storm situation, hoping Anna dies in the mountains looking for Elsa and Elsa to die much the same way so he can takeover the trading industry or something, idk.) Anna meets Christophe, story is pretty much the same minus the crappy trolls. After Anna gets blasted they return to Arendelle to hopefully get the kiss after hearing about some prophecy or old story or some convenient plot device to tell them they need it, but the kiss no worky and the storm is getting worse by the hour. So Duke sends Men to storm Elsa's castle and plot goes as follows (Hans does genuinely try to save Elsa from being shot and pleads with her to fix everything) So as Anna is dying in the castle infirmary she realizes, hey Christophe is pretty cool, I need to get to him, but the Duke this time does the villain monologue and goes out to fjord to kill Elsa. Movie goes as OG plot follows, fantastic, done. (We punch the Duke into the water this time) I think that's more sensible than whatever the heck spin a lot of reviewers I've seen try to put on this movie. (Some reviewers say the movie is actually great if you look at it from a mental health perspective or go too deep into it, but no, it's a very flawed well animated Dasney movie from 2013.)

[@artbytesia]

Why didn't you write it?! That makes more sense than what we got! It also gives the Duke more of a purpose!

[@icecreamhero2375]

It makes sense for Anna, Elsa and their mom to look alike. They are related. 8:15 Technically they never specified how long it took Elsa to go up the mountain. It could be time lapse. 10:15 Maybe the trolls asked themselves that question because the trolls themselves are magical. Also the servants probably knew about Elsa's ice powers but weren't allowed to say anything. 12:08 I doubt I would remember a girl from several years ago. 13:00 She does in the second movie. 13:48 They could find another place to trade with. We don't know all the neighboring kingdoms. 14:47 Why did Hans tell Anna his plan. Why didn't he just marry her. You got me there. 22:00 I don't think the movie is saying it's bad to be an introvert. I think it's saying that talking out your problems with other people can fix them rather than bottling them up. She ran away because she feels like her powers make her a monster. Her problem is she thinks she is a monster.

[@selena44842]

Finally, someone agrees with me that having a unique animal companion only for them to act like a generic dog is the dumbest thing ever

[@KaminoKatie]

The Toy Story series is extremely guilty of this

[@kristinahuchison2511]

@@KaminoKatie hey! Bullseye was stinking adorable! And the humor was he’s a horse that’s a bit clumsy when he’s overexcited about finally meeting Woody. Sven’s role was literally “I’m a copy of Maximus from Tangled, just a dumb reindeer who’s Kristoff’s only friend and has to convince him later in the movie he really loves Anna”

[@artbytesia]

​@@kristinahuchison2511 Yeah, I don't like the dog behavior in either character; it looks stupid and it feels like a cop out for writers who are too lazy to insert humor in other ways.

[@curepanda2646]

To put it simply, because of this song (Let it Go), and the fact that they like Elsa so much that they drastically changed her at the last minute to become a whiny introvert instead >^>;; Even when i watched it the first time, it just doesn’t add up to me…and like you Ms. Critter, I too am an introvert…and thinking about it now, it kinda adds up that being an introvert is bad. Hmmm…if u hate the first movie, what about the sequel? Thoughts about it?

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

I haven't actually watched the sequel yet!

[@curepanda2646]

@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 yeah ill give you a heads up for the sequel: - in my opinion, its a slight improvement to Elsa; Anna became more of a downgrade. That’s all i can say

[@artbytesia]

​@@curepanda2646Also, from what I can make out, the sequel is just a bunch of TV show episodes spliced together pretending to be a movie!

[@curepanda2646]

@@artbytesia tv show? Ummm…I think you’re referring to the unnecessary Olaf short (which understandably, ticked people off when they’re about to watch Coco at the time ^^;) And how is Frozen 2-ooooh. Yeah I think I see what you’re getting at. As much as i like Elsa getting a slight improvement on her character, some of it remains unanswered, ie everything with the whole Arendelle thing

[@artbytesia]

@@curepanda2646 Also, the explanation for her powers raises a lot more questions.

[@bartusunshine5316]

Bruh, my Chemistry high school teacher took my class to Frozen II because she liked that ice is chemical as it has six branches. She was weird and mean and rude, so don't get me wrong. So, um... That was something?

[@jenneacubero1036]

Hans Christian Andersen: Look...I can eventually understand you butchering the ending to "The Little Mermaid"...I can even forgive you distancing this film from "Snow Queen"...but WHY DID YOU GIVE THE VILLIAN MY NAME?! Disney:...

[@ellentaylor6883]

Seems kind of insulting actually.

[@jenneacubero1036]

@@ellentaylor6883 Agreed. The original Snow Queen wasn't technically evil. She was more neutral compared to Andersen's other winter-based villian, "The Ice Queen". If Disney ever makes another "Frozen" sequel, it would be interesting if they at least used that fairy tale as an inspiration of sorts.

[@Shutterbug5269]

I liked the song "Let It Go" more than I liked the movie. It voiced things I needed to hear at the time. But I admit, the parody "Fuck it all" was damned funny.

[@thomasraines1396]

My personal favorite was the one that was made with Breaking Bad.

[@BishopTDE]

Is that a typo or is it similar to how Canadians put the letter U in alot of words that Americans don't. Is Sense written with a C down here?

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

Nope! I just can't spell :)

[@thedimensionmaker4293]

Imagine the storyboarder's reason on Hans being the way he is, is because of "Mettle"