Wish: What Went WRONG?

[@brentparker7359]

I picture that Magnifico started out as a sympathetic, non-villainous antagonist like Abuela from "Encanto" and then some executive burst into the Writers' Room and shouted "PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA SAY THEY WANT TRADITIONAL DISNEY VILLAINS BACK! YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES TO TURN HIM INTO A TRADITIONAL DISNEY VILLAIN!"

[@Powered1Buttercup]

I don’t see that as very outrageous, this movies just screams corporate bullshit ngl

[@BP-dn9nv]

I wanted them to return too, but ironically enough Magnifico would have been more sympathetic than a good chunk of the other villains they put out if they handled him better

[@kelvisaisawesome]

@@BP-dn9nvLMAO this is the perfect twist

[@silashurd3597]

And the sad part, he’s still technically a twist villain with the twist happening earlier than others

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Yeah I can picture that 😂

[@bemiatto67]

It sucks that they didn't go with the scrapped plot twist that Magnifico is a fallen star himself. That would've been so goated

[@-OneofManyNames]

That would be awesome

[@virginiafernandez6846]

For sure. Magnifico, a young star granting every wish thoughtlessly and THAT causing the destruction of his own home. Now THAT would be a cool twist. Hell, you could make it so that the stars have to grant wishes or they get sick/evil. THAT would make it both more justified when he randomly becomes evil and add some drama because the little star can't help but grant wishes. DRAMA!

[@stephgratiano9017]

Oh where do they talk about that?

[@random_person54]

@@stephgratiano9017I’m not sure, but I know some people believe that his line “I got these genes from outer space” is a small piece left from that plot. (Him being literally a star boy)

[@meatcandlepoeple5126]

Just like Satan.

[@MangoMagica]

We were ROBBED of the original concepts. I would have loved a villain power couple but noooooo Disney doesn’t like cool things anymore

[@michaelcollins4534]

And a magical boy? Never forget what they took from us

[@naturescorruptedinfactorie8062]

It’s wild and sad how the Wish fandom is built entirely off of the concept art, and not the movie itself 😭💀

[@KeeKage37]

A villain power couple and a magical wish granting star boy and the love between him and Asha. That’s just so good. Not no, Disney doesn’t care about love story’s anymore.

[@KuukiSh1]

​​@@naturescorruptedinfactorie8062me personally I would say "fandom" very lightly 😭😭 /gen

[@cartoonishidealism582]

@@naturescorruptedinfactorie8062 Why form a fandom around enjoying a good piece of media when you can INSTEAD form a fandom around trying to FIX a BAD piece of media? See also: Miraculous Ladybug

[@makito106]

16:00 it's wild that the queen was probably married to this man for years, he goes evil for 2 days and she instantly ok with locking him up forever. No sadness what so ever

[@garrettcarter5622]

He goes evil AGAINST HIS WILL. He is literally not in control of his own actions.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

"Et tu, Brute" is what I'm thinking here

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

well shes gotta girlboss after all

[@lorenamagoy]

Fr!! One of my biggest problems is in the beginning of the movie the only think they tell us about the queen is that she's Loyal, just that, nothing more, and we get to see her been kind, brave or whatever, but not loyal at all!!!

[@alexjewett7455]

Honestly, the idea of forbidden magic making you completely and irreversibly evil after even just one use is fucking stupid. Magnifico should have been redeemed.

[@waterdog737]

I don't think he is evil. I just think he has unpacked truma. -The Judgmental Critter: April 2024

[@DigiThorn]

It feels like this went through several rewrites, and instead of completely rewriting it each time, they just stitched together each rewrite individually

[@marocat4749]

Apearently it was very very rudshed and yeah didnt do the usual rewrite and look how it works, which is wild. Dammit ironwook was

[@portobeIIa]

but heres the thing, going through rewrites is bound to happen with every studio animated movie. thats just how the ball rolls. that's not where the problem lies, if it did, how come frozen (even if it still is a flawed movie) got to be the banger that it was when an idea as central as Elza being the villain got scrapped because of ONE song and it worked out? how come frozen 2 was so bladn after that too? it just goes to show how grossly put together this movie is. there was nothing out of the ordinary happening, they just did a wrong turn every step of the way to release the movie in time for the 100th year of the studio.

[@katherinesmallbean3594]

I also heard that the song writer was given very little time or context, which explains why they don't seem to fit the story

[@CinemaSongscovers]

When she said, in the video, that Magnifico's the kind of villain who could get redeemed, it made me start thinking that this, if done well of course, could've been a 2-parter. Like in part one, it could be more or less like this, then in part 2, it could be like a reversal. Not entirely sure how to word it, but I think you know what I'm getting at.

[@toonrex2806]

With a little help from AI to make it even more of a mess

[@Jollyinha]

I saw a comment that said "The Princess And The Frog feels WAY more like a 100th anniversary movie for Disney than Wish", and God, that sums it up so well

[@Quackervoltz]

Tangled too

[@CrowLady0_0]

oh that's so right actually

[@a.w.4708]

I've thought the same! It returns to many classic Disney things (2D animation, hard working princess, this over the top villain, animal sidekicks etc) while giving it a twist (Tiana's problem is uniquely focusing too much on her dream and overworking herself, animal sidekicks are an Old firefly and aligator, love story is rare in classic Disney variety where they initially don't like each other). I especially love that Tiana is so clearly so much more than "we need some black princess in our franchise" - she has her unique personality, goals and character.

[@bumblehoney7206]

Jeez when you say it like that it's hard to refute

[@Rikrobat]

@@a.w.4708- It also handles the wishing on a star motif better than Wish does. Tiana’s father says it’s okay to wish on a star, but it will only bring her halfway there; the rest is her own hard work. Tiana loses some of the faith aspect in wishing over time, but she eventually learns to blend her hard work with keeping up her belief in wishing. Also, the movie demonstrated that love between a main character (Ray) and a star (Evangeline) is a great emotional hook.

[@deadlyflood]

It’s so funny that Magnifico’s backstory and motivations are so SO similar to Alma’s but because wish needed to have a “classic Disney villain” it just says “no no we swear he’s super evil!! Look at how evil and vain he is”

[@DeathKitta]

And their coping as well. Keeping everything in tight control over fear of losing their home again!!

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

and gasp hes a man

[@Rikrobat]

And it would have been easy to show him being a bad person by taking his actions to the extremes of hurting the kingdom, something he was claiming he was trying to avoid. When confronted about his methods actually causing harm, he could double down and lock up the dissenters. He turns to powerful magic to keep control (minus the possession). He could get so caught up with the plan of "keeping everyone safe" that he becomes oppressive. Whatever started as good intentions could still have produced a corrupt king who refuses to allow change to HIS status quo. It would have been a good contrast against Alma; while Alma does try to keep control at first and argues back, you see it in her face when Mirabel says "the miracle is dying because of you." It's realization in her expression, which is then followed by her taking accountability that everything that happened was her fault. You could still do the Magnifico became what he hated without him becoming too sympathetic to be evil. They just need his motivations to be consciously done, not just because of possession by book. Also the wishes being integral to everyone's sense of self and happiness had to actually be consistent.

[@troperhghar9898]

1. Make asha the princess daughter of magifico 2. Make the star more human like in the concept art and build a romance between asha and star 3. Hire broadway writers not pop music writers 4. Magnifico says "he got these geenes from outer space" so have it turn out he's keeping a star he wished on and bleeding it for his magic

[@tamarrartis2918]

She started out as a princess, and Star was a legit dude at first. Why Disney? Why?

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

@@tamarrartis2918 That's not even mentioning that could have had a villain power couple.

[@mysteryxio9957]

What if the star he's keeping is the one from the movie like it looks like that due to him draining the magic from them

[@MmeCShadow]

I saw a fun suggestion that Magnifico himself was actually a wishing star who assumed human form to be with the queen. Would have played into their villain couple concept pretty well.

[@ggrarl]

Ooh, no. 4 sounds just like in World of Warcraft, when the blood elves and the Shadowmoon orc clan both used the power of a naaru.

[@TheWarmachine375]

King Magnifico: *states that why he can't grant every wish without knowing the consequences in the long run* Asha: "And I took that personally."

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

stupid selfish kid

[@mickys8065]

Particularly when Saba's wish did come true, and it destabilised the kingdom. If the wish is just to "create something to inspire the next generation" then it doesn't specify what the inspiration will be, or how many times Saba can create something. Say he's playing music, and someone gets inspired to mug him, because that guy wants Saba's instrument. That's the wish fulfilled. Or, Saba draws a painting, that a terrorist years later uses as personal motivation. Then there's how willingly those he is inspiring will be. Saba could easily become something like the Pied Piper, inspiring the city's children to all mindlessly drown themselves. Then you have Simmon's wish, "To be loyal to the king". The movie had to have Magnifico visible corrupt the wish, because otherwise it would prove Magnifico was in the right. Because the wish didn't need corrupting, it was already 100% usable.

[@Hayatehiroyuki25]

We needed a scene of Magnifico throwing rocks at orphans to really show how evil he could be

[@pinklove1924]

lol like what rwby did

[@crackedcocainer]

they couldnt even make bro a wife beater ffs

[@MeemahSN]

@@pinklove1924 I'm sorry, did I miss something?

[@pinklove1924]

Basically Critter previous video complain that the rwby volume 9 epilogue is bad because it portray Vacou as bad. They this do through throwing rocks at orphan

[@jakko_]

While also kicking a puppy

[@turmalin5072]

What baffles me the most is the fact that Disney wanted to do their own "stylised 3D animation" to look unique but ended up feeling more corporate and unfinished. Honestly, this is the perfect summary of Disney nowadays. Nimona, Puss in boots: the last wish, Spiderverse, the Bad Guys, the Lego movie, Hotel Transylvania and heck even to lesser extent, Turning red and TLuca. All of them took risks to look and feel completely different, and it paid off. Almost all of them will be or are beloved classics by both the audience and critics. meanwhile wish looks like someone put on a cheap filter over an not rendered animation and put on a mismatched background. (Seriously, can we talk about the fact that everyone looks like they're on a green screen? How did they even achieve that?)

[@libraryoflilylol199]

I would love to talk more about the fact that everyone looks like they're on a green screen. I'm pretty sure they achieved that look by adding outlines around the silhouette of everything (in an attempt to make it blend with the 2D I'm assuming). I've noticed that when green screen is done badly, it adds an outline around people, so adding an outline like that on a 3D model would make it look like bad green screen I think.

[@emofurryboyfriendasmr]

and its not like cgi & 2d blend doesn't work, look at treasure planet!

[@Powered1Buttercup]

@@emofurryboyfriendasmrshit at this point it could look more flawless, we literally have the tech for it and the people that want to make it work, just like what was done with the beginning of 3D

[@emofurryboyfriendasmr]

@@Powered1Buttercup exactly!!! like it could look beautiful

[@moon7shinev150]

The thing is Disney had the perfect 2D and 3D blend that they could’ve used. They used it for the short Paperman

[@shaylenwayne9284]

Asha's like "but why can't you grant EVERYONES wishes?" Girl that would cause so many issues

[@another-niko-pfp-holder]

"I want to be a murderer just like you when I grow up!"

[@Pherim_]

"I wished to bring the Austriac Painter back to life" How did they not see the message "All wishes should come true" its a fucking hazard?!

[@The-one-and-only-Fruitcake]

And what if one person’s wish is “i wish nobody else’s wishes come true”? What happens then, Asha?

[@MajorOctofuss]

There are bound to be several wishes that would contradict each other…

[@akeelahbruce1821]

​@MajorOctofusyeah like someone wanting a pink sky while another wants a maroon sky.

[@KeeKage37]

Honestly the fact that Wish is so soulless, and forgettable for being the first movie Disney has done after reaching there big 100 year milestone. Just makes it so much worse.

[@ninjagirl226]

One comment about the reprise of This Wish. Why didn’t the Grandpa character play a larger role. Like his wish was pushed so hard at the beginning but that was the moment for his wish to come true. He wanted to inspire the next generation through music, but they gave that role to Asha and the Doc character. Like it would show that wishes can come true without Magnifico or magic or even knowing about it. Like it baffles me how this didn’t happen. What was the point of the grandpa’s wish besides to get the story started.

[@amandinedoutre8559]

The grandpa’s wish is resolved in the after-the-credits scene. He is the one who invents the melody for « When you wish upon a star » thus symbolizing the Disney company inspiring artists since it’s conception. It is also the reason he is 100 years old. To represent the company’s 100th anniversary.

[@victorhurwitz5559]

​@amandinedoutre8559 that is EXTREMELY GENIUS AND IT JUST MAKES ME MORE DISAPPOINTED IN THIS MOVIE I HAVEN'T WATCHED YET! Raisorblade has a youtube video rewriting this entire movie. Make the clock reverse bring back what once was mine. What once was mine.

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

Ironic that the villain is the most reasonable person in the movie.

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

@@john52933 None of the characters in the movie are truly reasonable, it's just that he is the only one who bothers explaining his reasoning.

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

I remember seeing a tweet by I think it was Aydin Paladin a few days before the movie. She pointed out that what should have been an interesting discussion on letting wishes go to maintain a good balance for the world, would instead by made into a one-dimensional villain who wants to maintain all the wishes for himself and a heroine protagonist who can do no wrong.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

“ A handsome dude could just say he’s holding on to your lifesaving cuz its safer with him and you’d just nod along” If willingly exchanging life savings means you get to live rent free in a prospering kingdom with no apparent signs of poverty, then I don’t see how that exchange is inherently a bad thing.

[@justinn8541akaDrPokemon]

@@michaeldorsey9231 That's not even mentioning you don't HAVE to give him your life savings to live there.

[@DragonGoddess18]

@@justinn8541akaDrPokemon Exactly. Giving your wish to the King was always an optional thing not a mandatory thing

[@moon7shinev150]

The thing about At All Costs is that it was so obviously originally meant to be a love song. If you listen to the demo version on KZbin it literally says the words love you while the movie changed it to promise

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

Yeah. "song a parent would sing about their child" sure, that works too. But it was definitely meant to be romantic.

[@elemomnialpha]

Something I think you sorta glossed over is that Magnifico is LITERALLY RIGHT Her Grandpa DOES use music to inspire the people to overthrow him that's the climax the "villain" was 100% correct in his break down of events

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

OH MY GOD!! I didn't even realize!!!!

[@cartoonishidealism582]

One often meets his fate on the road to avoid it or whatever

[@Jalugi1395]

I literally have to suppress feral screaming every time I heard the lyrics "Look out world here I *are*" 🤮

[@TailsFan]

I Blue Screen every time that entire scene plays.

[@KelShu]

I have some questions regarding the movie: . If the King only does one wish per month, couldn’t anyone have just figured out that most of the wishes wouldn’t come true? . What if someone had a wish years ago and it’s too late to be granted? *“I wish my dad was cured from this terminal illness.”* . Was the Queen meant to be villain, because she was pretty okay with having her husband trapped in the mirror?

[@samflood5631]

According to the original concept of Wish, the King and Queen were supposed to be the first Disney Villain couple.

[@MarianFK]

Your first point was the same thing I asked myself when they all got angry when they learned most wishes wouldn't come true. Like, how come they didn't figure this out before? Is longevity like the Grandpa's simply a thing so everyone just has hopes? Do they know if Magnifico is immortal to be able to grant them all?

[@samflood5631]

@@MarianFK I'm not so sure about that. My guess is that maybe Magnifico must have put them under an illusion of some sort of happy life within his kingdom. That or he must have placed some sort of other spell which shows them the result of how dangerous and idiotic their wishes are through nightmares.

[@rosemary3029]

​@@samflood5631we were robbed of a villain couple in this movie

[@Happymasks]

The reason for the first question: they're all informed (important bit here) dumb lazy gamblers.

[@xanthousizalith5641]

Something that makes me so incredibly annoyed is, HOW IN THE WORLD DID ASHA NOT KNOW THAT MOST WISHES DON'T GET GRANTED? She's been living in the Kingdom for her entire life and yet she seemed so shocked that the monthly event in a Kingdom of (minimum) Thousands of people ends up with most people not getting a Wish granted. I mean in the one scene we get of a Wishing Ceremony, three people go up on stage but only one person gets their wish granted, and that's pretty obviously the norm, how did Asha NOT realize until the King directly told her "Nah, most wishes aren't granted" that Wishes don't always get granted?!

[@einundzwanzigster5618]

Yep. that's the biggest plot hole in the movie. I wanted to suspend my disbelief into thinking that maths wasn't a thing to people of Rosas. But then again, we were shown that she counted 3,2,1 in the trailer, said "once a month" in the tour song, the king sang "i granted 14 wishes last year, c'mon that's a high percent". So the people of Rosas know maths. But how did it come as a surprise to Asha. It's not even an advanced maths. That frustrates me so much. 😂

[@negavenom]

Is Asha stupid?

[@PersonallyPerhaps]

She has like 5 brain cells not to realize

[@IronycheinPain]

19:57 I remember some people thought that True Love's Kiss was a trope in Disney, and it would have been cool if Amaya went up to her husband and kissed him which would break the curse on him like AAAAAAA

[@pastelnut027]

That would’ve been great!

[@Pherim_]

If only Disney could have women being real people in their movies, not just Cultural Message deliverers

[@IronycheinPain]

@@Pherim_ this is like the one real time I can agree with a take like this

[@ukchanak]

​@@Pherim_Disney has accomplished one thing: making both liberals and conservatives agree

[@einundzwanzigster5618]

NGL that would be great. A nod to 100 years celebration.

[@emoneestep]

Magnifico was orphaned and had his home destroyed as a child. So he taught himself magic then created a Kingdom of his own where the people would know no grief or sorrow. The land is full of prosperity, there is never any famine, no one is homeless and there are never any external threats to worry about. Everyone is welcome to enter the city and if they are adults Magnifico gives them the OPTION of giving over one of their wishes to him with the promise that it could be granted magically. But they don't have to, as Asha herself states in the intro, and it is common knowledge that people will forget about their wishes so they aren't missing it. Then we have Asha. A teen who grew up in paradise, never wanting for anything who decides to apply for a job as the King's apprentice solely because she thinks she can get the King to bypass whoever else's wish he was already planning to grant for the ceremony to instead grant her grandfather's. When she's told "no" and even given an explanation for why, she goes off on a tangeant about how Magnifico is being "unfair". Because the people, who he ensures are already living a more than blessed life in paradise, are clearly wanting and they deserve to have all their dreams magically made a reality by the King. Yeah, I'm not really seeing how anyone can root for Asha.

[@mr.histor1996]

Even when Magnifico turns to dark magic, it is out of a desire to protect his kingdom and its people. He sensed an extremely powerful, completely unknown, and clumsy magic that had the potential to destroy his kingdom, and reacted to the threat. That's like finding out there is a nuclear device somewhere on the island. It's not like dark magic was his first choice, either. He exhausted his entire library before even considering using the cursed book, and then, thanks to the council of his wife, called on the citizens of Rosas to help deal with the threat. Unfortunately, the citizens of Rosas are terrible people who wouldn't help without him promising a wishing ceremony in return.

[@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072]

It’s almost like it’s self aware?????

[@WobblesandBean]

I don't understand how anyone can think Magnifico is the villain. He has PTSD from childhood that inspired him to create a safe haven where he gives his subjects absolutely everything. He is overly cautious, but again, PTSD, he is extremely protective of his kingdom and his people. That's why he felt he had no choice but to use the book and became possessed. He's a *_victim._* And Disney expects us to think he's the bad guy, and not the whiny, selfish, entitled teenager who destroyed the utopia he created cuz she threw a tantrum over being told "no".

[@frankisnot1148]

Also he's kind of right? Making everyone's wishes come true would get really messy and out of hand REALLY fast. And also we don't really know what the process of making the wishes come true entails; it could possibly be that it's very draining and he's already doing the most he can.

[@tell-me-a-story-]

I think it would make a lot more sense is Asha and Magnifico just came to an understanding at the end. It would be more consistent with what we see in the film.

[@WobblesandBean]

@@tell-me-a-story- Yeah, exactly. Asha needed to learn that wishes aren't always inherently good. Magnifico's only crime was being overly cautious, which if that's the only fault of your king, you got it easy. Asha literally destroyed a utopia because she threw a tantrum over being denied special privileges and wanting to abuse her position as Magnifico's apprentice.

[@Rikrobat]

I think it would be fine for the villain to also be a victim, someone acting out of paranoia / trauma, because the important matter to discuss is what actions you take because of that trauma. Alma is a great example of that. She's not a monster; she was traumatized at having to flee from bandits and watch her husband be murdered to protect her and their triplets. Everything she did was to try and keep that sort of event from ever happening again. And the whole movie is about how her good intentions still hurt her family and caused the foundation of their home to disintegrate. (And importantly, after the major confrontation, she realizes the harm she's caused and she takes accountability.) Magnifico would have been a good option to show an extension of that. Where, say, Asha tells him that by taking people's wishes and not returning them, he's actually hurting them. He's robbing them of their dreams and ability to be truly happy. They are safe and "content," but they are actually unfulfilled. But instead of re-evaluating his wish system, Magnifico doubles down and tries to keep even greater control over the citizens because he "knows what's best" for everyone. Now we have a king leaning into tyranny and Mother Gothel territory instead. The bigger issue is that Magnifico's motivations and logic sound mostly reasonable at a glance. There are hints that he's unwilling to consider change as a good thing and that he considers himself the arbiter of what is "good," but this nuance isn't actually explored. A clear example of telling over showing: Saying "he only cares about his crown," when many of his lines and his backstory reflect him caring about the well-being of the kingdom-at least until he's stupidly possessed by a book MacGuffin. It's also a problem that the meaningfulness of the wishes is inconsistent. They're called the most important part of someone, but losing and forgetting it doesn't actually affect the citizens that much. There is a whole song about how you'll never be unhappy in Rosas. The only example offered is Simon, and that's not really explored either. So when Asha is framing Magnifico as someone who is harming people by not returning the wishes, it doesn't make sense with what the movie is showing us. If taking the wishes actually did leave the people somewhat soulless and living without being alive, then we could see his actions as being reprehensible, even if it was being done to "keep Rosas safe."

[@amandaletcher1320]

You know wish is bad when there's next to no fandom for it except the one's rewriting the story Edit: and some of these rewrites and really good and involve starboy

[@Pherim_]

For sure, even Velma have its Masochistic Fanbase who watch just to shit on the show for laughs. You cant even hate wish, there is nothing there to make you feel anything

[@astereotypicalgamer1708]

If our lead had told our villain that _she_ was the source of his paranoia and had found a magic outside his control, he could've selfishly tried to obtain it or remove it to maintain his sense of control. His fall could've been handled in a way that made his villainy sensical.

[@marocat4749]

He could have try to control it "for the greater good" and get mote unhinged and release the evil book demon and sacrifice himself and it ends up being the last bit of magic he had, to stop that once they get through to him he is hurting what he cared for or something. And the people are glad he is still alive and he goes to live with his wife somewhere while the kingdom is more open and more, we make our wishes come true?! And asha could be way more interesting by her being rejecte as she just hasnt a wish, or at least one that he could see. And she feels down because and wanders what she wants, because she is happy. And then something that ther eis literally wrong with being happy and wanting to see others happy, henge the star.

[@laraprisma6381]

Fun fact, At All Costs was supposed to be a duet between the star and Asha when the star was still a boy, and was originally a romantic song.

[@PersonallyPerhaps]

So disappointed that they didn’t go through with it. Just so she could be a girl boss who “don’t need no man”.

[@DinoDave150]

Wish was supposed to be Disney's 100th year milestone celebration, but it ended up being far more fitting than expected, just not the way they wanted. Wish as it is now perfectly encapsulates everything that Disney has become: A shallow, hollowed out version of itself that would rather play things safe and by the numbers than actually take risks to innovate, whether it be animation or storytelling. Also, Bowser from the Super Mario Bros. movie was a better Classic Disney villain than King Magnifico could ever hope to be. Seriously, "Peaches" blows "This is the Thanks I Get?!" right out of the water.

[@Epic_Halfblood]

And half of the Peaches song is just him singing “peaches” over and over again, so that says something. (I’m exaggerating a bit here, I know that it actually isn’t half of the song, just sayin to be dramatic lol)

[@ivyinkwell1754]

And then it paid people and created bots to talk about how good it is while muting comments on their original videos, because they can't handle the rightful criticism and truth of what they've become. What if I wished that Disney valued art again? What then, huh? Since all wishes deserve to be granted.

[@sethmichel6138]

Thing is, Bowser has one major trait that separates him from a classic Disney villain, he genuinely loves and cares for people, be it his minions or Peach, which adds a slight sympathetic element to him, which is EXACTLY how you make a modernized classic Disney villain. How did Disney mess this up, the blueprints have existed since 1996 (Super Mario RPG, modern and movie Bowser are practically the same as that Bowser), just make an intimidating show stealer that loves being the bad guy while also having something sympathetic about them.

[@subjectdelta7210]

she seems to have pushed an overprotective and traumatized man over the edge into a mental breakdown. if he had just left ashamed after coming to his senses it would have made a decent ending with room for redemption in a sequel.

[@mr.histor1996]

Redemption for what, he was right. He built a kingdom on an uninhabited island, welcomed people to it from all over the world without prejudice, provided for them, collected no taxes and allowed anyone, regardless of status, to petition him for one wish. How is he the bad guy? He built a functional utopia.

[@Capt.Thunder]

They never address the idea of "be careful what you wish for" which is the number one moral lesson that is associated with wishes throughout all of time, because many of them can be self-indulgent and narcissistic and lack appreciation for what you already have. I also find it really annoying how modern Hollywood thinks that it is disempowering and sexist for women to have romantic interests in their lives. Like, they could have had a hot mute guy, and people would have probably loved that character (at least in isolation). Instead we have corporate tellytubby plush, what a waste.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Yeah. Manga Writer's review explains much better about this movie's *_true_* intentions about being pro-capitalist propaganda. Disney waited 100 years to finally show their true colors, and honestly, I'm glad we finally know the real Disney, the corporate scumbag Disney we all knew was inside them this whole damn time. They know damn well they're the villains of the story, and they are enjoying every last second of it

[@cartoonishidealism582]

Hey Disney. If you really wanna be progressive, make a lesbian romance. Go ahead.

[@libraryoflilylol199]

Yeah I feel like this really could have been addressed great with a "protagonist does a Big Bad and has to fix it" type thing. Which could have gone great with Magnifico losing sight of his original motivations in his efforts to stop Asha do this foolish thing. And then once Asha gets what she wants and it goes sideways, she could have finally understood what Magnifico meant at the start about consequences of granting every wish and then having to remind him of what matters most. And even then they could have not redeemed him and just had a tragic "we did what we had to" ending (if they REALLY REALLY wanted that magic mirror backstory thing) with Asha committing to not letting this terrible thing happen again now that she understands things.

[@marocat4749]

Hell and you could even have him talk , but show very much throughout the movie he can perfectly communicate mute, he just, uses sing magic to save her when he can speak later.

[@louise4152]

LITERALLY, they also totally could've gotten more butts in seats from all the girls (or really anyone) that would've had a massive crush on a cute magical starboy. They could've cashed in on all the delulu girlies but they just hate money ig 😭😭

[@shadowbrine114]

It's a shame King Magnifico didn't grant my wish because I wished this film was good 😔

[@daddydwaved]

Yea exactly 🙄

[@capadociaash8003]

To vague

[@einundzwanzigster5618]

Right 😂

[@The-one-and-only-Fruitcake]

22:57 wasn’t there a whole conversation in Tangled of Rapunzel being scared of achieving her dream because she didn’t know what to do next, and Flynn Rider telling her that that’s the best part, because she gets to come up with a new dream afterwards?

[@DragonGoddess18]

Whether the writers meant to or not, Asha comes off as entitled just because she was told "no" by King Magnifico. Plus, she was telling him how to do his job which is pretty rude. He's been ruling over Rosas for years,if not decades and his methods have worked successfully. There's no homelessness, no racism, no taxes,no high rent problems. What more could she possibly want when she has everything she needs? Princess and the Frog did what "Wish" wanted to do but did it way better

[@dream__soda7900]

He didn’t kill a single character at all. All he did was be rude and then got possessed by evil magic. No one, not even his wife who he loved gave him any forgiveness. His punishment? Possible immortalized imprisonment. Watching his kingdom turn to dust, forgotten in a dungeon as the people around him faded, new faces, new voices, how many years has it been now? 10? 100?? How long will he be there? I felt really bad for him. (Also sorry if I got kinda dramatic there lol but my point stands)

[@moon7shinev150]

I don't understand how the animation turned out like this. Disney already had the perfect 2D and 3D blend that they used for the short Paperman

[@ToastyGhostie-np9bd]

but that would require... work... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@pescuezoee]

and...money

[@another-niko-pfp-holder]

@@pescuezoee and... talent

[@finnmller4493]

And... passion

[@Twiddle_things]

And... effort

[@sinfulpuritan3430]

What I thought would've been cool is if they kept Star as a magical boy and had a cute romance, but made him mute. The idea of having a classic Disney romance, but making a spin on it that's more inclusive and could impact the plot in an interesting way would be so cool! Like, maybe he's making everything talk to try to communicate with her, only to realize he can't talk through them?

[@hereatmeiko]

That would've been fantastic, and it really does seem like a good solution to early concept concerns about Star being too powerful. If you contrast that with him being mute, then that fundamentally affects how he'd interact with other characters and offer a show of problem-solving skills and character development as Asha, him, and other characters worked out how to effectively communicate together.

[@Pherim_]

And by him being mute, would be a reference to Little Mermaid

[@that_duck_quack]

I feel like him being mute would also kind of pay homage to tinker bell

[@jerecklacap8867]

"SOULLESS" Really is the right word to describe current Disney as a whole, and it's sad... 😔

[@daddydwaved]

Yeah but why the sad face you could write anything creative than current Disney😑😀

[@hibikuokudan]

I literally did the math yesterday. Magnifico created Rosas, and if im being VERY generous, he looks 65 at the absolute oldest. The youngest he probably would have been when he founded Rosas was 18, so thay means the kingdom might have existed for 47 years. If theres one wish ceremony a month, assuming only one wish is granted, thats 564 wishes. The ONLY way EVERYONE would get their wish granted is if THERE ARE LESS THAN 600 PEOPLE IN THIS CITY It should be obvious to everyone there that not every wish is granted if anyone thinks for even 10 seconds, so Asha's surprise to figure that out is so dumb

[@strawberryqueen0382]

The animation of Wish feels like an assignment a student was given and they’re doing their best with every action to move the character around and have as many poses as possible

[@gorasul12]

Yes, Ashas motivations was fully egotistical and its her actions that caused the conflict, If Magnifico had granted her grandad's wish she would lose her reason to rebel, she even show when she talks with her friends that she dont mind having privileges and advantages as long they benefits her family. I give this nation a few years max before it falls into civil war.

[@neptunnae]

The only memorable thing about this movie is the instagram account that is entirely dedicated to defending magnifico Props to them LMAO

[@cartoonishidealism582]

I did the same for Tamatoa when Moana came out except it was more religious

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

really? i mean i bet its easily searchable but whats the handle

[@ancalagontheblack2929]

Pretty sure it’s @magnificolover

[@sushiunicorn4899]

I stan magnificolover the amount of nuance they can put into a soulless movie like Wish is incredible

[@victorhurwitz5559]

​@@cartoonishidealism582how was it religious?

[@z2yn]

I think the whole point of the Star song was supposed to be the whole "We all used to be Stars" thing. The idea being that all life came from outer space aka we're one with the stars. So connecting with the stars would function in the same way we connect between our fellow humans - and generally other living beings. The problem is that the movie never actually explains that.

[@erikroman1880]

I just realized something wish is similar to rwby volume 8 There's a sympathetic villain with reasonable motives who is going through ptsd after a great loss but turns into an insane villain because of the main character obviously horrible idea for his kingdom and both villains get betrayed by their female companion, there are unnecessarily multiple characters with plotlines that lead to nowhere, a bland selfish protagonist and all characters are after one character with special powers the heroes are temporarily divided to separate groups and the villain get unjustly punished for wanting to protect his people and the magic in he his possession Am i wrong??

[@arnowisp6244]

Bruh you are Correct.

[@arnowisp6244]

Bruh you are Correct.

[@matthewharner1744]

Bruh you are Correct.

[@nevaehhamilton3493]

Rooster Teeth fell off hard with this one, didn't it?

[@BlackRosesRed]

Yeah I came here looking for this, commented about it too. They're basically the same and both are terrible. Both have a fairytale motif too.

[@Simpltn-vids]

I’m going to share an interesting bit of information about the songs of this movie that I learned in Schaffrillas’ review: These songs were not written by musical theater writers. They were written by various pop song writers. For me, that made my distaste for the songs specifically make a *lot* more sense. In musicals, songs are written with a narrative purpose. These songs, much akin to a lot of pop music, aren’t trying to convey anything special; they have a vague *theme* surrounding them and that’s it. It’s intentionally trying to be broadly appealing, rather than having any crucial story importance. Y’know, the things that songs in musicals are *SUPPOSED* to have!!!

[@Pherim_]

Also the fact the even the composition of rhymes dont work, even for Pop songs. The first song is criminally written; and God how i wish to forget "Here i are"

[@shisah5544]

But pop songs have been used in the past- Phil Collins did an amazing job with Tarzan!! They just chose someone terrible for this movie

[@TailsFan]

@@shisah5544 The problem is that she was trying to emulate Lin-Manuel Miranda's works and...it didn't work. Instead it was more of a parody, and an insulting one at that.

[@Wild_Pilot]

I can't believe Disney chose THIS over Nimona. It was far more magical, heartfelt, and healthily progressive than goddamn Wish! Thank you Critter for another wonderful video. Have a lovely day!

[@erikroman1880]

I find it hilarious that nimona won the oscars instead of wish

[@wooperfan584]

​@@erikroman1880omg yes. Karma at it's finest.

[@HeckerBonker]

Yeah nimona is progressive, so disney doesn't want it

[@falconeshield]

​@@HeckerBonkerIf they wanted the perfect enby Disney Princess with the edge of rebellion.....Nimona was it.

[@whoevencares123]

Disney doesn't want actual gay characters, they only want *implied* ones

[@Burscutum]

The over dramatic, frantic movements and the crooked mouth are both akin to that type of over acted TikToks. The movie was probably trying to imitate that style since thats what was popular.

[@snowyyzoe]

I’m honestly really sad we didn’t have both the king and queen being evil. I feel like they could’ve been reminiscent of Macbeth & Lady Macbeth, especially with how you noted that it was likely one of them was more hesitant and the other was more ambitious. Plus, imagine a villain DUET? Boy, were we robbed.

[@Artsylittlewitch]

About your theory about the songs being for a different script are correct, the biggest example is at all costs was originally meant to be a love song between Asha and star boy but when there romance got cut the song got shoehorned to a different scene.

[@ghostrouxinol6169]

I am start to sick of Portugal and Spain being fused into 1 country in media. (Pokémon and Wish btw). Yes both countries are similar but they also have their differences. It's like if USA, Canada and Mexico were fused into 1 country everytime that they appear.

[@GillfigGarstang]

It’s a fantasy world though? Without any reference to real world languages and borders it’s pretty difficult to clearly demarcate what is meant to be Portuguese and what is supposed to be Spanish culture considering the shared history of the two countries. Half the architecture in the movie is a reference to Islamic architecture built back when Portugal and most of Spain were both just called Al-Andalus.

[@beepobeepo]

pokemon scarlet/violet represents the entire iberian peninsula, not just spain and portugal

[@mirandagropen9761]

Canada is the not-evil version of the US

[@J-B4R]

My problems are twofold, and are the movie basically proving Magnifico right, *TWICE:* 1. He says grandpa's wish is too vague, qnd could inspire people to revolt against him. And what happens when Aehw learns this is the wish and it isn't granted? SHE STARTS A REVOLUTION. 2. Mahgnifico wanted to grant the wishes and keep them, and his people safe, through filtering them. But, if it is to be believed that this movie is the progenitor for all of Disney? Then that means Asha granting every wish *directly leads to all subsequent Disney villains.*

[@Correctgistlover]

Dang that means asha was the hidden villain.

[@AceFaz]

​@@Correctgistlover Was it even Hidden tho..? Lol

[@anar8343]

​@@Correctgistloverso in other words magnifico should've been the good guy?

[@Correctgistlover]

@@anar8343 damn he's the real princess in this movie.

[@Correctgistlover]

@@anar8343 damn he's the real princess in this movie.

[@The-one-and-only-Fruitcake]

18:26 they could’ve literally just ended the movie with him apologizing and promising to look into things before immediately perceiving them as a threat, and hiring Asha as his assistant to help him decide if things are dangerous or if hes just overreacting

[@meogatopreto]

I believe that since it was the 100 anniversary movie, ALL the execs pounced on it and dictated and revised every single thing so it could be the "perfect" movie, killing it in the process. It's not too uncommon to see a studio laser focus on a movie that they believe will be their next hit, leaving the other projects less restricted and it turns out the unrestricted movies get more fame and praise than the "big shot" one because ITS THE PEOPLE WHO STUDIED AND TRAINED HOW TO MAKE MOVIES THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING

[@AtariYeo]

Example: Pocahontas ("Okay guys, Beauty and the Beast got nominated for Best Feature, we gotta do it again and the only way to do it is to show them we are super serious and take super serious subjects super seriously") and The Lion King ("Eh, just some silly animal thing to tide them over while the important one's in the oven")

[@somedragonbastard]

​@@AtariYeoor, over at DreamWorks, the Prince of Egypt vs Shrek

[@imberribored]

The "there's a star in me" song, I was so annoyed that Star couldn't talk. I couldn't get over that this song didn't need talking animals and sentient plants. If Star can explain itself, it would give it more character. I'm glad there are people also concerned about the lingering sentience of animals and plants in this world.

[@dragonninja3655]

'This Wish' has Asha sing "throw caution to every warning sign". I assume they MEANT it like throw caution to the wind, which would mean throwing your caution away. "Throwing caution to every warning sign" means the exact opposite though, that you are cautious at every warning sign. WHO WROTE THESE SONGS?!

[@libraryoflilylol199]

See, for me knowing that "throw caution to the wind" means throwing it away makes me interpret the line not as the opposite of that but as combining the typical saying with something else to add to it. Normally when I think of someone throwing caution to the wind, they aren't even looking for any indication that what they are doing could go wrong. But if you add in warning signs, it's like she's seeing the warning signs and is deliberately ignoring them. But yes it is still very weird and if it was a single throw-away line, I probably wouldn't even think about how weird it is that much, but it's repeated multiple times like they want us to think about it and now that I have, it's weird and confusing no matter how it's interpreted.

[@franziska9260]

A professional songwriter who could've made something better. . . If they were given MORE THAN ONE DRAFT TO DO IT

[@Pherim_]

I feel really bad for the woma who made this movie music, she had no idea what she should do​@@franziska9260

[@moon7shinev150]

Something that someone pointed out is that Asha's grandfather wouldn't be called Saba since he's her dads father and they're Spanish so he would be called abuelo, saba would be what she calls her mothers father

[@espiritulibre53]

Spanish person here, I've never heard the word saba in my life. We call both our granfathers 'abuelo'. I've looked on the internet and it sais saba means grandfather in hebrew.

[@moon7shinev150]

@@espiritulibre53 yeah same here I’m Mexican and have never heard anyone the same or similar race as me call their grandfather saba. It’s always been abuelo

[@alexandersmith4731]

Saba is Grandpa in Hebrew = she's a black Jewish girl, I think they're trying to be inclusive, idk if Iberian people even do that but ehh that's what Disney is going for

[@espiritulibre53]

⁠There aren't much hebrews in Spain because Isabel the Catholic expelled judaism (after winning against Al-Andalus. Maybe Asha is hebrew because they are basing their country in Al-Andalus) Some came during World War II but I've never met a jew (that i know) and I'm pretty sure the same thing happens in Portugal

[@alexandersmith4731]

@@espiritulibre53 I see, I know nothing about those countries history, so I'm just basing on stuff I've seen folks said online, but that's interesting, I never knew about their history much except the expulsion

[@elliemarquez3175]

45:36 I think you’re on to something with the songs being made first. If you listen to the demo version of At All Costs it’s actually romantic. They probably made the song for Asha and the starboy before it was changed. Since they scrapped the romance idea, they had to rework the song to be about the wishes instead.

[@Thandi123]

She's nice she's caring... she's also, well, corrupt. Asha's initial goal is to become Magnifico's apprentice in order to game the system so that her grandfather's wish gets granted. Magnifico's disappointment is... well, yeah we get it. The whole problem with Wish is that Asha is morally wrong from the outset. So my view is they needed to go the opposite route entirely. What if Magnifico isn't evil, he's right? So have Saba's wish granted by Asha using Star's power. At first, all is well, but it turns out that in granting the wish, she's given Saba some mild mind control powers. He makes young people feel inspired. Now he's suddenly saddled with the problems of a celebrity. People want to feel inspired, they flock to him, and suddenly Saba's got stalkers. He's got wealthy citizens gunning for him so that their kids can "be inspired". He's ending up having to hide in the woods because inspiring the youth is terrifying. Have Asha grant her friends wishes - and give them similar results. It grants us the chance to see what those wishes are, giving the characters more character, and allows the writers to get creative on how seemingly harmless wishes can have nasty consequences. And as the chaotic mess spins out of control - Magnifico ends up having to use the book to clean the mess up. The book's curse tries to take over his mind, and the queen ends up saving him with true love's kiss. I mean think about it, most Disney romances are during the courtship phase, we can throw one in here as the committed loving relationship phase. Asha's story resolves with her learning the value of listening to experience, Magnifico learns that he is appreciated and loved - and we don't really need a villain per se. Heck we can even have some fun with the idea of Magnifico's former apprentices. What happened to them? Well, where did so many Disney characters, good and evil, learn their magic?

[@Mouse2017]

I think what makes a good villian is EXAGGERATING their perfectly reasonable traits. Like vanity is a magnification of liking your looks. They could have done this with Magnifico's protectiveness or his anxieties but they went after the one trait he basically doesn't show

[@HeidiSholl]

Well done Enchanted, for being a much better film full of references and people from Disney's past. - My sister. But seriously, Disney wanted a film that would celebrate their 100 years by referencing many other films, and then did that badly. Even though we literally have Enchanted as a reference of how to do it!

[@floccicon]

I keep thinking about the fact that only Magnifico is allowed to use magic and how that could be used to paint him as a villain. It reminds me of (conveniently another Disney property) Elena of Avalor. That story starts with an evil sorceress killing Elena's parents and taking over her kingdom. She rules for 41 years, and one of the ways she stays in power is by making it illegal for anyone else to learn magic, and this is clearly painted as being bad. So it seems weird to me that no one questions Magnifico for doing the same thing.

[@samflood5631]

Maybe Wish could have been better if Disney stuck with one of their two better concept ideas 1. The concept of Asha falling in love with a Star Boy while fighting an evil King and Queen who might be corrupted by magic 2. The concept of Magnifico being an arrogant teenage prince who learns the dangers of wishes and becomes a better mage and king towards the end.

[@MewGirlZ]

Wait, wait, this is the first time I am hearing of the second one. Where did that come from? I love it! I think I'm still mostly on board with everyone embracing concept 1, but I want more about that too!

[@samflood5631]

@@MewGirlZ I've heard it online somewhere in the comment section.

[@bemiatto67]

​@@samflood5631 Same here. Iirc, I heard that "This Is The Thanks I Get" was originally meant for that second version, which makes the song make way more sense if you see it as a song that someone like Kuzco would sing and then learns their lesson

[@rosemary3029]

​@@bemiatto67that song sounds very kuzco

[@Kori888_cc]

Bro that second idea sounds so good but it feels a lot like Kuzco

[@irediche]

"Wish" kinda reminded of the beginning of musical "Twisted" 😂 "If you dream a little harder, success is guaranteed!" And the 'villian' only reasonable character...

[@ivyinkwell1754]

Wish haters are really missing out on the animatic potential here. Switch out Jafar for Magnifico? You've got something amazing.

[@emofurryboyfriendasmr]

he fucked a tiger /ref

[@victorhurwitz5559]

​@@ivyinkwell1754you might be onto something maybe idk.

[@somedragonbastard]

Yeah. Much better musical too, highly recommend it to anyone who hasn't seen it

[@Xkittyloverr1997]

Wish is Temu Twisted

[@OneTaker]

Can't tell if the amount of times Critter says " I wish" was intentional or coincidental. I wish I knew XD.

[@ShadowHeartValentine]

Magnifico ruled as a peaceful king all the way up until the movie. He granted wishes that whole time. He ruled an ENTIRE KINGDOM peacefully. But the movie says that if you use dark magic ONCE that means you need to DIE. What?

[@miadaorerk1681]

it wouldve fucked if the Star was constantly granting wishes no matter what and Magnifico used it to his advantage to prove that moderation is important but HE's too strict about it. Or something.

[@iwanek4382]

There needs to be a name for this trope of a male villain who is supposed to be irredeemable but is to sympathetic for it to work properly. It keeps appearing more and more.

[@DominickRoselli]

There is, I believe it's called "The Sympathetic Strawman."

[@IamEscBoy]

i think people named it after the one in the captain america tv series, but i forgot his name

[@johannesseyfried7933]

​@@IamEscBoyThe "Captain Walker", perhaps?

[@IamEscBoy]

@@johannesseyfried7933 the John Walker?

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

there is woke or "progressive"

[@franciscoadasilvajr4514]

If Disney made a Kingdom Hearts game as their 100th anniversary they could do a LOT of fanservice and ALSO made a "videogame movie" to compete with Mario and Sonic And thinking about that as the peak this movie gave me: thinking about a movie we didn't get

[@FayeLawnKrack3d]

Some people are saying Magnifico is being selfish for not granting wishes and making people forget them. What if that's a safety measure, because someone particularly aggresive could storm up and say "WHY AREN'T YOU GRANTING MY WISH?! I'VE BEEN WISHING FOR THAT SINCE TWO YEARS AGO!" What if some of the wishes are vague, and Magnifico has to be very careful with those and he has to wait and see if it would be wise to grant them?

[@Me_and_also_me]

Fun fact: the songs were written before the script. On top of this they legit barely told the song writer anything. Eg, for ‘So I make this Wish’ all they told the songwriter was that it was about a girl who wants something more for her people. That’s it. Like no wonder all the songs are so vague!!!

[@greatape8019]

The songwriter did what she could. without a plot you cant really do much no matter how well you are lol

[@Me_and_also_me]

@@greatape8019 Exactly! Plus she has only ever written pop-songs so of course she was going to have trouble writing songs for a musical!! It’s not her fault, it’s on the higher-ups for not bringing in someone with more experience in the field and for not providing all the details smh

[@ad-sd-vids5332]

Asha never gets challenged on her beliefs, she starts out thinking that wishes are the best thing in the world, and ends the movie the same way, and magnifico was just an obstacle she needed to get over. There should have been a scene where they rip off soul, where she meets someone who got their with granted but turns out it’s not what made them happy, and they are doing something else with their life Also why is Asha so surprised when she finds out most of the wishes won’t be granted when she herself says that they only get granted once a month and there are several hundred wishes in the castle and new people arriving every day?

[@Nobody_x0]

As dumb as the "I let you live here for free and I don't even charge you rent" line is, the one that really annoys me is the "I throw caution to every warning sign" like... what??? I think they think that means she's fearless or doesn't let things stop her, but throwing caution to every warning sign means that you... are scared by warning signs and act cautiously? That's the exact opposite of what they're trying to make Asha look like, which is a fearless, unstoppable heroine

[@slenderslayer8203]

Everything wrong with this movie is something I can hear some executive coming in and "suggesting" to the creative team. The suits in Disney probably heard this was going to be the movie that comes at the 100th year and decided they needed to get their hands all over it to make it sellable and catch on with the kids and other Disney fans. So they edited it and then re-edited until they made something that hit every Disney cliche but ended up so soulless and bland that no one wanted to see it. They were so concerned with having a movie to sell that they didn't make a story worth anything.

[@brentgrisier1738]

Nostalgia Critic said that this movie isn't even bad because a bad movie would be something. This movie is just Nothing. Not even a bad movie, just nothing.

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Funny when you mentioned Magnifico being combined with the story of the queen being evil. Two characters made into one. I have heard similar thoughts about Asha and Star. When they made Star into the plushie who can't talk Asha had to take most his lines to keep the plot going. It's why she's both so quirky and silly in one scene but super serious and smart in the next.

[@TailsFan]

Which means Star would've been way more serious than he acts.

[@asadokimas981]

I'm mostly upset about what did they do to Magnifico. He was such a good character on first sight, antagonist that is driven by paranoia to protect kingdom and it's citizens that he loves so much because of the trauma from the past. What did dinesy do to him? They suddenly made him selfish and power-hungry for no reason just to show that not granting every persons wish is a bad idea (which is a bad idea). My favourite part of this movie is the song "This is the thanks I get?" because I like to imagine he is singing not to people of Rosas but to disney film designers about how they hurt him. Not to mention that at the end of the film he payed for his sins (making a couple of people sad for a moment) by being locked in a lonely mirror for eternity like an ancient dark lord would be.

[@patriciomejia1114]

"It feels like the songs were written for a different script." Yeah, about that, I just watched another video about Wish, and in that video, there was something from an interview that said that the songs (at least some of them) were written before the script was written.

[@cocogoat1111]

It's so true that villains barely feel like actual villains in newer disney stuff. It's like they are too afraid to scare kids but villains like Ursala and Scar (and their villain theme songs!) are iconic for a reason.

[@KaiboStudios]

What would've been great is if Asha was a pseudo-protaginist. The movie starts with her being the disney princess, and Magnifico the evil king, but then Asha's selfishness makes her the evil queen, and Magnifico the knight in shining armor.

[@nezumired]

The way Asha is driven by her grandfather's wish kind of implies that he already got it. He did inspire the next generation, but that winds feeling pretty passive and unacknowledged by the film.

[@WixWasterWike]

It's a shame because not only is the "what if" of holding onto people's non-granted wishes removes their ambitions pretty cool. But what if Osha's grandfather's wish of inspiration being shot down inspired her to BE an inspiring person in the encouraging, bright way she knew he intended for it to be. Magnifico could have a visceral reaction to the wish at first, and the "too vague" could be treated more like an excuse than a good reason to shoot it down. Thay would hint at his more controlling nature (good intentions or not). And then that could be her driving force to go out and be helpful/adorkable and such. Through wanting to help people and basically BE a Disney Princess™, you could showcase people's wishes along the way, putting emphasis on how much people rely on these wishes to become something. So then Osha ACTUALLY could take agency in the story by convincing people they could do those things on their own/take the drive for that wish and turn it towards something achievable but still ambitious. Maybe people who's wishes weren't granted would become full of life and like- happier and more free thinking again. Like when they initially had their wish. Maybe THEN with the help of Star, they turn the kingdom more towards ambitious, hardwork and away from their reliance on wishes. People unintentionally turn away from Magnifico, or there's less people turning up with wishes during the ceremonies. That would give him a motivator for not only weeding out Osha but also for his greedy tendencies to come out. Making it obvious he's not only hinging on those wishes to be revered but also the absence of ambition from stealing those wishes to keep the people in-line and keep his kingdom the way he wants it to be.

[@TaoScribble]

Are Asha's friends in the concept art? Because my tinfoil hat theory is that they were added after the debacle with the dwarves reportedly not being in the live-action Snow White last year. Also, another tinfoil hat: I could've sworn I heard this announced WAY back. I get this feeling that Wish wasn't originally supposed to have anything to do with Disney's 100th anniversary. I think they realized late that the anniversary was coming up and they had nothing planned, so a bunch of references were shoved into the movie.

[@quinn.j4381]

I don’t really think it’s a problem to not have a really defined magic system. It’s just a softer magic system, which I think makes it a lot more magical instead of mechanical

[@quinn.j4381]

Not that the movie is magical tbh

[@icepl831]

i just realized that like star is just genie from alladin but worse in every way.

[@thejudgmentalcritter6584]

I'm AMAZED there wasn't any references to the Genie!!!

[@Riley-vy5qm]

​@@thejudgmentalcritter6584They scrapped StarBoy for being too similar to the Genie!

[@wispaa]

For a movie about magic and the iconic Disney wishing star this might be the least magical Disney movie out there 😭

[@nikkygtv]

"too many things to count?? honey... one, two. that's it." I lol'd

[@nikibogwater6598]

My friend and I were out of stuff to watch during our weekly hangouts, so we just threw on Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (yes, the one with Ugly Sonic) for the lols. And after it was over he said "Somehow this movie feels like it should have been Disney's 100 year celebration." And we both hate that he was right, that somehow a film that is fundamentally incapable of taking itself seriously was still a more heartfelt homage to the art of animation and especially Disney animation than the actual 100-year anniversary movie.

[@shmee123ful]

I had double take when you complemented one of Disney's soulless live action remakes over an animated film. My God wish must be as soulless as they say

[@peonylarkspur645]

“I’ve seen too many bad things I can’t keep count” is not only generic it’s grammatically incorrect!! It should be “SO many bad things!!”

[@anthonymanns9083]

i believe Wish's fundamental problems come from it being an original story and not an adaptation since I feel like for their 100th movie they either should have adapted a type of story they haven't before or brought back a canceled project

[@NRaache]

King Magnifico said he'll keep Asha's families' wish bubbles forever, does this mean he's immortal? And does their wish bubble disappears when they die?

[@Infindox]

Disney made a character that lets people live rent free in a sort of utopia and all he asks for is a wish that probably will never come true (and i think that you don't even have to), someone has a hissy fit because all wishes aren't being granted (which you have even 1 brain cell you know is impossible) and now he turns evil. I was so lost.

[@PigBoy99]

Still remember someone said I didn't understand this movie because I don't have media literacy This is the same movie that gave us "look out world here I are"

[@wendersonemanuel9377]

I love the way you can explain things and show how some people can fumble so hard on the core idea of a film. It makes me think a lot and be more aware of the things I'm creating. Keep up, I want to learn more!!!

[@dracocrusher]

Why couldn't they just stick to Magnifico being good intentioned but overly cautious and scared? That's such a better villain plot, he's afraid of change and then you take someone whose really whimsical about everything that represents trust and honesty. Have Asha be like "People have the potential to do good, you need to open up to them and let them improve." And then he could have a whole moment of sympathetic redemption where he's awkwardly explaining that someone's wish is too vague and he helps them turn it into something good and specific that he can grant. You know, have a whole 'hope for the future' thing to this, right? It's such a mess of ideas.

[@qwinlyn]

Funny story about that Duet with the Villain. There's a theory that it was supposed to be Asha and Starboy singing it. On the album there's a bit of lyric changes that make it more romantic love than platonic/familial/protective and knowing that they wrote the music before the story was finished, it would track that they'd have a "lovers" song in there somewhere. Ionno, it's kinda a week idea, but it's there in the back of my head rent free so I wanted to share. EDIT: 45:37 They gave her a basic rundown and then she wrote it. The story wasn't finished, so she had to be "creative" with the level of vagueness they gave her. She's done interviews about it and SCOFFS when the interviewers asks her if the script was done first. That tells you something.

[@LivHamar]

On the note of two villains fused into one. It’d have been really cool if Magnifico was like the PR caring front facing royalty while his wife was maybe the might that helped him build his kingdom. Like the “he said no pickles!” She’s the scary one that maybe handles keeping danger away so her husband can ensure the people are happy and healthy. I just think it’d be cool if we only hear about her as like “that’s my powerful sorceress wife. She doesn’t do wishes though” implying she does murder. Maybe she uses the dark magic. So when he freaks the fuck out about the whole new powerful magic, star, he just runs to wifey in her war room like “THERE’S TROUBLE!!!” Which could’ve lead to a lockdown and rising of stakes as since the handler of outside threats is now turned inward. Also if she were to find out why and tell her husband he might fully turn because he cares for his people and all this is happening for what and no one cares or truly appreciates all he does break down. I dunno. Spitballin

[@selena44842]

I'm surprised you didn't bring up how the movie was supposed to be 2d animated but according to the main writer/producer they didn't because " 2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization." At least we still have Studio Ghibli

[@JenamDrag0n]

Bruh, when I saw that Jennifer Lee had written that, especially including "too many limits on characterization" part, I was livid. Some of the best character acting that Disney has created is in 2D!!! That's what they were good at!

[@vinnyfromvenus8188]

damn what a bullshit statement. although I wouldn't expect anything else from disney

[@watercat1302]

Anyone feel like his 'villain' was forced? Like he's the villain just for the sake of the backstory, unlike unapologetic, pure evil villain like Frollo, Scar or Ursula.

[@shadowclaw7210]

In his “villain” song. He goes from singing. To just “Hey this dangerous book I don’t want use. Yeah I’m gonna use it. Because I’m evilll!”.

[@bluegallade]

An idea to both aid the sympathetic villain and provide a magic system; granting a person their "life's desire", in turn, shortens their life.(You don't need that time since you've already gotten what you wanted) Granting Saba's wish at 100 years old, likely would have killed him on the spot. If he granted everyone's wish his entire kingdom could perish in such a short span, it would remind Magnifico of his previous home. It would also show the flaw in asha's "grant every wish", as she isn't seeing the delayed repercussions. Would she rather have had this time with her Saba, or merely hear of him after his passing/inspiring a generation.

[@AngelAdorable3]

Woulda been cool if it had gone the Madoka route. Obviously Disney would never, but what it Star was Kyuubi and Magnifico being ncareful about the wishes and freaking out about the star was related to that, and Asha was like tricked. "Be careful what you wish for."