Animated Atrocities 154 || Let's Not Be Skeletons [OK KO]

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[@cuteskeleton9381]

Man I hate the "It was all a dream" trope, it makes everything you just witnessed such a waste of time.

[@artofmore7197]

It's 2018, and they're still doing that cliché?

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

To be fair, it CAN actually be done right. But that means taking advantage of the fact it's a dream from the get-go, and using a lot of surreal humour, and the character having the dream has to have some sort of meaningful development (or a subversion of such) from it. As opposed to just using it as a lazy copout from the rules of continuity right at the end of an episode.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Dexxus This is how not to do the "IT WAS ALL A DREAM!" plot. You also have to signify that it's a dream to the audience--OK KO just wrote it was a dream when it played out like a normal episode. Hell, they could have had the skeletons groaning like the undead about guns--I mean, remotes, having been corrupted by their supposed power as the dream gets trippier. But no, they just threw that ending in there like we were too dumb to see it.

[@KittyCatAddict]

SAME OH MY GOSH. BIGGEST. PET PEEVE.

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

This trope came into play when people started wanting to write fiction but not confuse the readers who were used to nonfiction (in this case, the bible, which as we all know is without a doubt true...) In a modern landscape it has no real reason to exist, you dont need it to justify the impossible because the impossible happens without justification in fiction all the time now.

[@varietyhub2948]

Let's not be skeletons sound like a eating disorder episode not a gun control episode , just letting people know

[@14sok]

That sounds way better than what we got. Especially since OK KO is a action show with blasters. The gun message might have more weight in Steven Universe or even Clarence. Yes, even Clarence!

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

That might be a good issue to tackle, especially in a show with a large audience of teens and adults as well as kids who should know better in the future.

[@adampkalb]

😂 If only that was what this OK KO episode was about! February 19, 2020, 10:57am

[@SomeOne-gs7sy]

Noice 420.

[@nadroji6549]

@Variety Hub The title is also weird b/c OK KO actually have living skeletons as charcters, they even had a whole episode about a skeleton finding a new job!

[@NeoVault_]

OKKO educating people on guns is like Mortal Kombat educating people on solving problems with violence.

[@koichidignitythief7429]

Watch the short-lived Mortal Kombat cartoon.

[@NeoVault_]

@@koichidignitythief7429 I've seen it lol.

[@dankananga]

*the journey begins flashbacks*

[@mochiman6307]

Gargoyles did this but way better

[@pizzaparker592]

Apple “It just works”

[@Mimiki203]

"Remember [the victims] for their names, not their numbers" is probably the best thing I've heard from anyone on this situation. I agree wholeheartedly.

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

That never happens though. Name at least 3 serial killers and then 3 of their victims without looking them up.

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

@@melvinmerkelhopper5752 Man....

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

@@Eltipoquevisteayer I know right?

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

@@melvinmerkelhopper5752 not really, you missed the point

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

@@Eltipoquevisteayer What point?

[@damotoneko1500]

A remote which turns you into a living-breathing-talking-animated skeleton with no negative repercussions besides nullifying my non-existant superpowers? HOLY COW SELL ME THAT! I'D HAVE THE BEST GRIMREAPER COSTUME EVER!

[@robmitch4085]

Trust me you don't want that. Other then the breathing part I am a skeleton. Sure it is fun on Halloween but every other day you have to constently prove to paladins and other holy people that you are not that bad of an undead. Even then I am only allowed to live in my crypt and share rent with a zombie an ghost.

[@brycevo]

WHAT! OK KO on Animated Atrocities?!? How Dare YO- Oh wait... This Episode. Okay, carry on.

[@Nionivek]

It is one of the two episodes I consider to REALLY deserve to be on Animated Atrocities (maybe three).

[@garrettcarter2959]

That's a good track record.

[@COOLDUDE-bi4je]

I’m the 100th liek

[@COOLDUDE-bi4je]

Also i never really liked this show after the first 10 episodes it just became a deviantart fangirl the show and the show goes wayyyy too off-model sometimes and the reason why i like the off model style in spongebob and not this show is because spongebob is a silly comedy cartoon and this is a show with a story arc and sometimes i dont even know if this is a steven universe 2 or a silly comedy cartoon? Also the animation is lazy i mean have you seen the background characters? And the skeletons don’t even match some of the peoples body types

[@merrittanimation7721]

Nionivek What's the other one (or two)?

[@CyclopsMonabeckman]

What's with the "The Skeleton Remote will keep me protected" thing? Victim: "Oh no someone with a knife is going to attack me?" *Zap* "Ha you're a skeleton, now!" Villain:... Ok, I don't appear to be in any physical pain, I can still move, and my arm is still fully functional." *Stab* "Uh... thanks, I guess."

[@harleymitchelly5542]

You can work with it. It's effectively an anti-super gun, or, to use the stand-in's represented item, a gun that destroys other guns without harming the other person. Once this is pointed out, the episode becomes a lot more confusing, since it's kinda a pro-gun point in the line with the old quote, "God made all men, Samuel Colt made all men equal." I guess the point is to play more into OK K.O's world. Superpowered nutjobs cause havoc, most direct solution is take away superpowers.

[@adampkalb]

That's why this plot would have had a little more weight if the people turned into skeletons just...fell apart and couldn't move at all. Some kids watching might be scared, but I think OK KO could handle it. January 6, 2019, 10:49pm

[@python1972]

@@adampkalb I mean. I imagine if they're skeletons they're more brittle so you can break them into pieces much easier? Maybe?

[@brifox]

@@harleymitchelly5542 So, in other words the music-man parody strawman guy is Syndrome?

[@harleymitchelly5542]

@@brifox Yes and no. The Incredibles Argument doesn't exactly translate 1 to 1 here because the point is being invoked for the express purpose of pointing out that everyone becomes equal because, in the case of the show, the bar is lowered to the same point for everyone, and in the case of guns, heightened to the same point as everyone else. Usually it's invoked to show how making everyone/thing X takes away the meaning of X. I guess to sum it up, the creator of the remotes is a reverse Syndrome in the most literal of interpretations. He's not making everyone super, ergo no supers, he's given non-supers a way to lower everyone down to the non-super level. That might change depending on if we want to use this as a metaphor for a grander point though. I think I answered it, but I'm a bit confused as to where exactly you're going with it, so if you were expecting a more specific response, hit me back on it.

[@DementedDuskull]

"It was all a dream" This is what we call lazy writing, folks. What a lame twist, if a cartoon wants to do an episode set in a dream, it has to be dreamlike. This setting in this episode is pretty much exactly like KO's real life as much as possible and then this twist just comes out of nowhere. I don't know if y'all have had dreams that you remember before, but they move pretty fast. Like you're talking to GlAd0s at one point and then suddenly you're stopping the Joker from entering a wormhole. You don't feel pain in dreams, a dream snake bite won't affect you at all, and emotional responses like fear, joy, etc. are very strong in dreams. What I'm getting at here is that the "it was just a dream" twist is a TERRIBLE turn if the story wasn't built from the ground up to be in a dream.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I mean typically they move fast. Unless they become lucid.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Exactly. That was the *biggest* problem with the episode. Such a lazy copout ending that I thought died in the early 2000's--and it wasn't even good.

[@LittleBigPlanetian]

"You don't feel pain in dreams" I got shot and stabbed in the stomach in a dream once I instantly woke up because I actually thought I got shot/stabbed. You CAN clearly feel pain in a dream. If the pain is significant enough, it may actually wake you up from the dream. You just can't die in a dream.

[@DementedDuskull]

Fireboy Dreams are weird. They’re one of the few things in life that aren’t consistent.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

It's true, I've felt pain in dreams as well.

[@mayahope8782]

The absolute worst part of this episode? There's a character in the show, A Real Magic Skeleton, who is ALREADY A LIVING SKELETON. They even do a gag in the episode where he gets hit with a skeleton remote and nothing happens. In-universe, it's perfectly normal for someone to be a skeleton!

[@zvgamingandstuff7633]

Da da Dun Dun

[@christopherauzenne5023]

yeah seriously his existence totally ruins the premise/why these remotes are considered bad. along with the fact the shows entire premise is about a plaza that provides heroes with items they need for their quest, including weapons! the whole anti weapon psa doesn't work if the show's entire premise is about people working in a weapon store

[@auroraSLAP]

yeah it’s really not a good idea to have an allegory for guns and display that one of your characters is IMMUNE to it. This is just one of the many many reasons why this show was just not equipped for this message

[@DrShaym]

Why don't the skeletons have lower jaws?

[@Dumpsterhuggies]

For the same reason all the other anatomy is incorrect. This show has a shitty "cartoony" art style and that means things are simplified or just outright removed for no apparent reason.

[@maowriter3463]

@@Dumpsterhuggies The animation isn't bad

[@Pirateyware]

I kind of like how the skeletons are stylized

[@isaac_759]

i guess they got suprised an there jaws fell off i dont know

[@danielmedina4276]

Because the magic skeleton guy doesn’t have a lower jaw

[@yocelinmartinez5725]

Gargoyles did an episode about gun safety. But the difference is, while Gargoyles, was intended for a young demographic, it still treated these subjects with respect and maturity. A maturity that was also reflective of its tone, OK: KO has none of the tone that Gargoyles does hence why it's hard to take this episode seriously and makes it come off as a "very special episode" with only one side of the argument.

[@HackiePuffs]

Myrcella Martinez I think it’s because shows nowadays can’t get away with as much violence as shows back then (which kinda sucks). So they tried to use metaphors but they just didn’t put enough thought into it.

[@creamgravy1]

Static Shock also did one as well.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Yeah, it's still sucked that most 70s and 80s shows does have a lack of violence and all stuff like that. This is when Tom and Jerry or Looney Tunes started to get downhill pretty much everything. I mean, take a look of He-Man (AKA Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaah), he is a very non-violent and he does'nt need to punch, kick, or using sword as an offensive weapon. He just outsmarted his enemies. But as the 2 decades ended till' 90s, violence returned to its normal state. Today, cartoon violence needed to be very delicate or not trying to cross-the-line here. But for a gun control, I think the episode should have set up a gun safety instead of gun banning.

[@axolotl2686]

Hackie PPG I guess Gravity Falls,Regular Show,and Adventure Time don't exist then.

[@bernardcrow405]

I don't recall such an episode from the gargoyles. Would you happen to know what episode that was? I'd like to see if I can find it.

[@alecfoisy58]

What's next? Is Looney Tunes going to do a gun control special where they treat Daffy's bill getting flipped backwards as a major tragedy?

[@Supermariorpg6]

I'll watch that....for a good laugh.

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

Alec Foisy That....would actually be a decent episode, maybe something like that Looney Toons Show that ran for a little while

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

That could actually be really funny

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

Considering they did Anti-Drugs campaign back in the old days, and considering that people are forcing only one sided political messages... I will not be surprised if the Looney Toons do so.

[@hubguy]

Alec Foisy “Elmer Thhhhhhud! You sthhhhot me! Don’t you know thothhhhhe weaponthhhhh othh desthhhhruction can cauthhe more harm that flipping my beak?!”

[@petercross1879]

Because if the 18th amendment taught us anything, banning something stops people from using them

[@dannydanny6442]

The amendment to ban alcohol.

[@nightmare7772]

It’s not as if that was a horrible idea! *cough* Mafia got stronger *cough*

[@DonPeyote420]

and this was only booze, the Chicago typewriters, shotguns, pistols and rifles were purchased fair and square over the counter - with booze money. imagine if they ran both shops!

[@roadhouse7597]

RRRIIIIGHT!?

[@COOLDUDE-bi4je]

Imma ban ur ass nigga

[@Greywander87]

I am disgusted by the blatant necrophobia in this episode. Skeletons are people, too! Unlives matter!

[@collinsfilmingpotato622]

Greywander amen

[@rickmarr4478]

Preach for the Undead.

[@kxyoto8541]

🤣🤣I Hope this is a joke.

[@matheuspinheiro4796]

dead lives matter

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

They won't be laughing when the skeleton wars begin! *rattlerattle*

[@TheNyleve16]

In my opinion, instead of the message being "lets control these weapons", the message could have been "lets educate people on how to use these weapons and the responsability of having one" but I think they missed a good oportunity to teach this. But that's just my perspective.

[@Lapran3]

No one who’s hard line anti-gun (to the point of a hard no-exception ban on all firearms) would give a single damn about such a solution. Which is the explicit intention of the writer

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@Lapran3 I feel like that's only really applicable to people who unironically like the NRA and its political leaders (which I have a massive bone to pick with)

[@jfangm]

Not one mass shooting has been caused by someone being unsafe with a gun.

[@emperorgameling5064]

@@jfangm Yes they are instead caused by people being irresponsible with guns, typically breaking the law by either illegally getting their hands on one or bringing them into a gun free zone.

[@emperorgameling5064]

@@ArcturusOTE Not at all, most pro-gun people are very serious about teaching people, especially kids to be safe and responsible with firearms. Hell, the NRA funded some (albeit pretty shit) cartoon PSA's telling kids to stay away from unsupervised guns and promote youth firearm education.

[@Elementa2006]

The only action cartoons I can think of that handled gun safety issues well in their episodes were Gargoyles and Static Shock

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

Oh man those were good episodes, specially the Static Shock one.

[@Jaffersin]

I was thinking about that while watching this. While I was so young I couldn't really get a full grasp on it I remembered the message really sticking with me. I'll have to look it up and watch it again soon.

[@BloodfelX]

I don't remember the Static Shock one at all, but I can imagine it fitting in quite well with the show. So well in fact that as a child I probably just figured it was so thematically consistent with the setting that I just thought it was a good episode and nothing of the message. TL;DR time: You could say that is a bad thing, but trying to teach a child by beating them over the head with it until it sticks has a tendency to result with defiance and or disdain for what is trying to be taught. Whereas a child learning important lessons naturally as they grow up from what is going on around them seems like a good idea for not having them end up wilfully ignoring and even going against what others have tried to have them learn. ...Though this is all coming from someone who - as a child - always rooted for the villains, hated a lot of concepts that were socially normal and loved things that were socially unacceptable. :x

[@noahkarpinski1824]

This isn't about gun safety, it's about gun control.

[@Elementa2006]

@@BloodfelX it was an episode about a kid who was severely bullied by this jock and in retaliation threatened him with his father's gun which was left in the drawer that had no lock and during the altercation Virgil/Static's friend Richie got shot in the leg, while it was mainly a bully episode it briefly featured a gun safety issue as well

[@hieronymusbotch5156]

Did anyone even notice the additional layer of unfortunate implications where the show already had an existing character who was a talking skeleton and never seemed to be bothered by it at all?

[@heracross3323]

Oof. I love this show, but absolutely HATED this episode. (And I don’t really have an opinion on the subject matter) I definitely saw this review coming. Edit: Sweet beans in a basket where’d all these replies come from. Edit Edit: Hopefully this will be better.

[@patsflysfan2]

Jade Dragon I used to love the show, but after I saw the episode, I have never watched it again.

[@dattos140]

come back its one bad seed in a bunch

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I'm not of a politics person here. But I just watching histories.

[@purrpletiger2159]

patsflysfan2 I almost gave up after this episode too but the show got even better than it was before after it! It was just one really dumb really bad episode right before a bunch of good ones.

[@JasonGodwin69]

Putting aside the absolute idiocy of the fear-driven antigun antihumanrights agenda of the leftists... ANYONE ELSE think it's a tad HYPOCRITICAL for a show in which flails, swords, flamethrowers, rocket launchers, and more can just be bought at some random mall to try and present guns as these inherently-evil things only good for "Skeleton-izing" people and nothing else?

[@ayior]

I could imagine an action show talking about gun control working. I have yet to watch OKKO, but imagine the following three steps: 1. Superhero Character thinks more or all people should have superpowers to defend themselves 2. People get superpowers, but chaos ensues in some way or the other 3. Revert to original state, Moral of the story, Superpowers are great for defence but you should be trained to handle them. How bout that?

[@ayior]

@@fixedfunshow I was thinking about that but not really - he wanted to make superpowers mundane, in my setup the opposite would happen.... I think...

[@harleymitchelly5542]

Problem is that you'd have an endless debate about how organic people's reactions are or whether the debate was handled properly. That setup really doesn't leave any room for not taking a side, since you'd basically have "Justice League contemplates making themselves not-super," and you'd devolve into an endless debate about the writers taking a political stance without all the facts.

[@LNERfan]

But ayior, that isn't _nearly_ partisan and accusatory enough! We could never air something so level headed!

[@billcipher2604]

Fixed Fun It kind of is, but we never saw consequences of it. It wasn't a bad plan (many people say he was right), the only bad thing was that he wanted to be seen as a hero through a dangerous hoax...oh and several murders.

[@dakotasan8719]

THANK YOU

[@zeekybluu7031]

That moment when you love a show but then something like this airs. *disappointment cannon*

[@zombies4evadude24]

zeeky bluu it’s canon

[@babychomper273]

@@zombies4evadude24 no he means A CANNON OF DISAPPOINTMENT

[@zzz43344]

So it's basically 'Arnold Betrays Iggy' all over again...

[@flamerodbarrel1311]

@@zzz43344 Except the creators of this OK Ko ep didn't apologize for this episode.

[@the711devin4]

This episode would work better if, once turned into skeletons, people were incapable of movement. Not dead, they would still be able to talk, but they would be immobile. It would be better than this episode.

[@BalancedtheScales]

I feel it could also work instead they were transported to a different realm of existence where they can never return

[@defrozendonut8715]

Buu Balance you made me ( I want them all in the next dimension)

[@MeowHype]

Throughout this review I always thought it would work if they turned to stone.

[@jeffdonal1110]

This is not related to your comment but your pfp is the best thing in existence

[@MeowHype]

@@jeffdonal1110 "w a a a a a"

[@AutisticGameGuy]

One of my least favorite arguments: Video games causing gun violence. People seem to act like that's the only possible variable, though there could be a massive number of reasons. Let me give you a hypothetical argument. "Video games cause violence. All of the violent media we're exposing our kids to is corrupting their minds and turning them into monsters." Well, that isn't a guarantee. In fact, multiple studies from the past decade or so have shown that video games, mainly games like Grand Theft Auto, one of the main examples used in their case, has little to no effect on how a person thinks or behaves. But, they still enforce their argument. Something I learned in my Statistical Reasoning class in high school was that just because 2 things seem associated, it doesn't mean that one thing causes the other to be like that. Let me give you an example. The number of violent or M rated video games has been increasing. Gun violence has went up in the past few years. Does this mean that the increase of games increases gun violence? No. There are many other possible factors that could influence the amount, and this is the part that most people with this "Video games cause violence" argument seem to miss. Let's go over some other variables. Other causes for gun violence increasing are: 1. A possible mental health problem, likely caused by abuse. 2. Stress, causing someone to not think clearly, acting very haphazardly. 3. The "leaderboard" mentioned in this video. People want to be remembered, and people see others getting remembered for doing something violent, so other people do similar acts so they can get remembered. It's a similar concept to peer pressure. 4. Drugs, which can have very negative effects on the brain. Do these causes get considered by the side blaming games? No. They purposely ignore them to push their narrative. Science has already proven that games aren't the issue, and there are multiple other, more likely issues that could factor into this, but they don't seem to get talked about as much as the dead arguments that aren't even true. I would really like to discuss this topic in more detail, and in more than just a KZbin comment. I feel like those other possible reasons should be brought up more, especially mental health.

[@wingedmirage4226]

AutisticGameGuy Totally agree. If anything, video games give people an outlet for their aggression, a distraction from their problems and possibly worse habits. A kid playing video games inside is less likely to be roaming the streets and getting involved with gangs, drugs, etc. Don't give little kids ultra violent games and it should be fine. Mental health seems to be that one thing no one ever wants to talk about. It needs more attention though. Not all mentally ill people are violent, for one. I think people should visit a psychologist just as much as a regular doctor, for basic mental checkups and someone to talk to. I think that alone could help a lot. No drugs unless absolutely necessary though. Those are way too unstable and vary too much per person.

[@irvplotnik89]

Winged Mirage yeah but to tackle the subject matter of mental health would require thinking, and thinking is hard, so it’s something people don’t want to do or even think about if it’s hard work

[@HackiePuffs]

AutisticGameGuy honestly despite me being on the anti gun side I do agree with you here. By that logic the cartoons back then like the Powerpuff Girls, Samurai Jack, and all the other action shows out there are turning kids into violent monsters right. Uh huh. And the other reasons you listed are the reasons why I’m anti gun. There’s just too many risky situations where they could easily get into the wrong hands. If you want one to defend yourself fine but a deadly weapon is a bit much and is very fatal. If you shoot someone they die on the spot or at least they die later in the hospital from their injuries you gave them. Very rare chances of the person surviving.

[@gay.cannibal]

I don't see how a kid playing Grand Theft Auto for example and the next day is like "omg lemme shoot up my school", it really doesn't make any sense. Implying this scenario just means you're assuming a kid loses all empathy and compassion for people around them over a game that they like playing?? What? does Joey want to suddenly shoot up his friend Mike after playing Grand Theft Auto?? No, bc he still likes his friend obviously. For someone to get to a breaking point, there has to be something making them irrational or irritable, like declining mental health or drugs. Idk, ppl with the video games argument just miss the bigger picture and seem ignorant to mental illness. In general we need more mental health awareness. Pretty sure one of those school shooters was a victim of bullying, not bc he was playing his "violent games".

[@powertheimmortal]

are you joking? playing katamari damacy makes me want go out into the real world and just start grabbing people from the sidewalk and begin crushing them into a giant ball and then throw that ball into space. Imagine the number of children who were unable to control their urges like I have...i cant tell if i made a good joke just now.

[@captaintesla3063]

This episode kinda felt a little on the propaganda side, im sure little kids know exactly what the metaphors are, at least 6 and up. In my opinion, Kids shows shouldn't go political unless they are either as subtle as possible and/or fair to both sides of the argument, without showing the opposing side as caricatures of villians.

[@Graknorke]

Nah it's nothing to do with both sides. It's very rare that there's actually two equally valid sides to an issue, the two sides thing is mostly manufactured by people who want to push the worse side. As long as the issue is presented honestly and fairly that's good enough.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Well, what about Gumball? Sure the show lead into political agendas. Like a caricature of Dolan Trampf deported the Wattersons or either plagarism in "The Copycats". As the matter of fact, kids shows going political is depending on what issues are. Whether it will be very serious, controversial, or either helping. Captain Planet dealt against drug addiction and AIDS/HIV, KND dealt with 3rd wave feminism, Hey Arnold! dealt with racial content (via glasses), etc. etc.

[@CantusTropus]

If one side is obviously wrong, then that should come out when both are allowed to argue their positions fairly. Also, I'm not sure how it's even *possible* to present the issue honestly and fairly if you don't allow both sides a fair hearing.

[@Graknorke]

@@CantusTropus The free market place of ideas is an absolute myth. Just look at politics and history. There are a whole lot of times where bad ideas get popularity, and presenting them as equal to better ideas is part of the problem.

[@captaintesla3063]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 Donald trumpthing felt more like a satirical joke (just my interpretation) and like i said, all the things you mentioned were well handled and wasn't used as a term to push a political message, unlike Lets Not be Skeletons, which you can tell is made to push an obvious message, and sacrifices any and all quailty to push that message,even though all the arguments the episode presented were easily debunked

[@thatrealycoolguy]

Y'know what would have been a better metaphor? If the remote made someone vanish forever.

[@Drknsl0]

oh look, now it also has a reason to be a dream you can't continue a show if the show has no characters

[@davifernandopereiraborges5168]

Or turn them into rocks

[@joshraid1550]

That would actually fix most of this episodes problems. But then it might have to actually treat the idea of gun violence as serious business in this story about gun violence.

[@theshrimp1657]

Gargoyles did this well. Broadway shot their friend on accident because he thought it was a toy like in a movie.

[@richardthorndike6608]

That ending, good grief I was half expecting them to flash the phone number of a congressman plus the message "BUY BONDS AND STAMPS TODAY!!!!!"

[@richardthorndike6608]

For those who want to know what i'm talking about, this cartoon has the suitableness of a WWII loony tunes cartoon

[@giovanniorellana2200]

This shall be an interesting review!

[@nadroji6549]

Even if they ban or make skeleton remotes illegal, what's stopping villains from stealing them? Or kidnapping the guy who made them & forcing him to tell them how he made them, so they can make them?

[@PikaTheProsperous]

Gun control, huh? I saw a meme the other day. "We need new laws on gun control. The criminals aren't following our current ones."

[@sardonicsardonyx359]

Now that's a good meme.

[@linkinajar8676]

I saw something similar. “We need new gun control laws for criminals to break, the old ones don’t work.”

[@TheTocuba]

So why make anything illegal if criminals are just gonna break the laws anyway? Why have laws against murder if murderers are gonna kill anyway? Why have make rape illegal if rapists are gonna rape anyway? This kind of arguement is such BS.

[@Luigicat11]

@@TheTocuba Because the harm is already caused when people rape and murder. The harm in getting a gun isn't caused until someone pulls the trigger.

[@23Starcatcher]

@@TheTocuba because it isn't the guns that are the problem. It is the person who has the gun. Even if there was a way to remove all guns from an entire country trusting that everyone would give them up - the attitude behind their desire to hurt people would still be there. Also, people have also been killed from cars, knives, and various other items and methods and you don't see people advocating those be banned.

[@deralmighty8011]

Actually, American mass shooting rates have been on the decline, especially in schools. The reason school shootings seem more prevalent nowadays is due to social media coverage, but they've actually been on a steady decline since Columbine. Outside of schools, we're not the lowest we've ever been in body count or number of incidents, but the trend has still been on the negative overall. They actually lowered the number of victims for a shooting to be considered a "mass shooting" back in like 2010 or something like that and the number of mass shooting incidents has still been on the decline. Incidentally, the majority of single-victim gun crime occurs in designated gun-free zones. I guess the fact that some law-abiding citizen with an AR-15 could be waiting for you around the corner is a pretty good deterrent, huh?

[@xenotiic8356]

Source?

[@yulikitten]

While yes, mass shootings are not as prevalent as they have been, they've been getting worse, which is why it can seem like so many happen every year. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/mass-shootings-more-deadly-frequent-research-215678 So, mass shootings are still a MASSIVE PROBLEM and my solution is simply this: actually enforcing the regulations we currently have, and having a universal, national background check system, where if you fail in one state, you fail everywhere else. Finally, regulate the news media and actually ban the naming of the shooter and showing their face.

[@silverbug97]

Dudley Hudgenson I don't really understand what you mean by "a universal national background check system". We already have that with NICS. When you buy a gun you have to pass a federal background check that's controlled by the FBI. If you've done something wrong in one state it's going to pick that up and you're going to fail in every state.

[@tristanmcfrosty2588]

Project Silver Well the deal is that you don't have to go through a background check if it's from a third-party seller, such as a thrift store or a gun show. It's called the "Gun Show Loophole," I learned about it on a confirmation trip to Washington DC. Also I remember learning about some thing where if your BC isn't completed within like 48 hours or something it's just null and void, but I'm fuzzy on that one. Basically the point is that there are a bunch of shitty loopholes that could easily be filled with cement. Granted, I don't honestly think that doing so would actually halt all of these shootings, but this is what people mean by a "universal background check" if I'm not mistaken.

[@silverbug97]

Tristan McFrosty There's a problem with that. NICS is the system the FBI runs background checks through to see if someone's legally able of purchasing a firearm. Back when it was first established there was a lot of hubbub about whether or not private citizens should be capable of accessing a federal database (to run the checks) or not and ultimately it was decided that this wasn't a good idea (to keep people's information secure). To cover these third-party sales you would either need to allow every citizen of the U.S. to be able of accessing the FBI's database or... you'd need to essentially allow everyone to call/email the FBI and request a check at any possible moment (this is what FFL's do). No, I don't think I need to point out how much of a logistical nightmare this would be for the Bureau. They'd have phones ringing nonstop. Their inboxes would be perpetually full. And this isn't even getting into the fact that such a system relies entirely on people being honest. If Joe sells Bob a gun out of his garage how would the FBI even know such a transaction occurred? This is how felons acquire firearms and this is why the majority of firearm-related crime is committed with illegally obtained weapons.

[@timothymclean]

On one hand, I agree that political messages done badly are obnoxious and, in some cases, metaphorically agonizing. However, I don't think we should therefore avoid politics in media. When you get down to it...any media worth watching/reading/whatever has _something_ to say, obvious or not, and the line between political and non-political statements is pretty much nonexistent. Avatar: The Last Airbender was political; it took a hard stance against colonialism and ethnic prejudice. It would be worse if it hadn't made such a worldview clear, if it hadn't built it into every facet of its story. What we need isn't fewer political messages in media. What we need is political messages that people _put gorram effort into._

[@robertwright9389]

Its unfortunate because there's been so much blatant politically charged media over the years that people have naturally developed an aversion to it, even if it's handled well. For every one case like Avatar, there's 3 or 4 like Ghostbusters 2016 that just turns people away from it all. I agree that we shouldn't avoid politics in our media, but considering how hostile the current climate is i imagine its going to be very very difficult for anything even remotely political to be received well by people of any affiliation.

[@TheMikirog]

The best media that can approach political topics is (like it was said in the review) be it a secondary goal alongside telling a good story. However if you're doing that kind of stuff, it's extremely tempting to go overboard with pushing your agenda, unless you put some thought into it like a real human being in a debate. Most of these media either do it obnoxiously (like this episode) or are too rare to make an impact on society.

[@cryw1092]

Stories are usually better when they focus on being good. Good stories tend to have a message, intentionally or not.

[@CurtyTails]

Love the firefly reference at the end

[@wikipediaintellectual7088]

Timothy McLean Avatar is trash.

[@xercespriest]

Strangely, OK KO has a mix of the good (Usually the Episodes filled with References) and the ugly (Politically driven Episodes). Strange. It's like OK KO are the Beanboozled Jelly Beans. Sometimes you get a bad bean. Sometimes you get a good one.

[@Reapermaskhybrid]

I ate a whole box of Beanboozled once, didn't go so well.

[@b3rz3rk3r9]

Speaking as a 2A advocate, there are a few things wrong with this episode of a show I kinda liked: First off: having a gun proxy in a world where everyone has insane magical powers and technological advancements to the point where lazers are a common attack type is kinda pointless. Technologically speaking, easy-to-carry-and-use lasers are the fictitious end goal of firearm technology, so having something that shoots a physical projectile at the speed of sound in a world where energy projectiles moving at the speed of light is kinda outdated. Second: this is a HORRIBLE proxy for a gun. A remote that can turn people into walking skeletons that only lose their powers? The point of the gun is to protect oneself with the threat of death to any attacker, so a better analogy would be a remote that turns people into sand or stone or dust. Third: this would've actually made an excellent Gun Safety episode if they didn't put the remotes in hands of people who don't know proper etiquette, like pointing away and keeping the finger off the trigger until needing to kill. Enid literally runs around blasting the remote into the ceiling all willy-nilly, with no one but KO getting worried. If someone started shooting a gun like that near me, I'd wholeheartedly expect them to go to jail for willful endangerment. I would've remade it to where the person selling it was given some time before delivering it due to background checks, Carol (K.O.'s mom) getting one with a book on proper usage and gun etiquette, and her scolding K.O. for treating it like a toy instead of a tool for self defense or hunting, and can cause serious damage if he doesn't know how to use it properly. Fourth, the whole thing being because of a businessman trying to push a product is really off-base from America's deal with Firearms. Mainly, that it's a constitutional right for Americans to have the means to defend ourselves from anything that can threaten our rights or lives, and that businesses don't really determine that, but offer more of a variety of different makes and models of guns for home defense, self defense and hunting. Even then, some manufacturers do stop themselves from producing certain arms after horrible shootings, like how Colt stopped production of their AR-15's after they became a sort of bogeyman.

[@jakethedragonymaster1235]

I think the worst part of this episode is that this was made, knowing that the creators had so much time. There was a picture, an official picture, of K.o in his room with a bunch of concepted crossovers We could've had, according to the picture, a sailor moon crossover, and several other things, one of which being Mega Man. Politics aside, I just wanted megaman to be relevant, we were so close lads : /

[@fredricknoe3114]

5:39 anyone who has been through a hunter/gun safety course will tell you NEVER point a gun at someone you don't want dead. It is almost like they have no idea what they're talking about.

[@lepidotos]

My dad taught me that when I was like, 4 and kept reminding me every time I picked up even something like an airsoft gun. If I ever have kids, I plan on doing the same.

[@Fitzftw7]

It’s about time someone talks about how bad this episode sucks! I’m looking forward to this. Btw, I like Ok Ko, but it has its share of bad/mediocre episodes.

[@dattos140]

every show does but ok ko has really good episodes sometimes so its worth still watching

[@Fitzftw7]

Mo. memes Couldn’t agree more.

[@doombybbr]

The skeleton remotes aren't even decent weapons in comparison to everything else these guys can do, a punch could do more damage, and I don't see people banning fists in OK KO.

[@sookeysookey1]

The episode did have some funny jokes I will admit, but as a writer, I agree with mr. enter. I wrote a story about domestic abuse, but because I fleshed out the characters and the plot first, the domestic abuse angle came last, so it didn’t seem so stereotypical.

[@MrChaotic4]

And considering Cartoon Network's track record as of late, I can pretty much take that and call it a win.

[@shadowpuppet8192]

Or banning alcohol. Which the US actually did. That's how the prohibition and moonshining happened.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

It's illegal to murder someone regardless of how you do it. It's illegal to threaten someone with bodily harm regardless of how you do it. It's illegal to bring a firearm into a government office, school, church, or hospital. Most firearms are illegal for a civilian to own under most circumstances. Half the states in the US allow someone to carry a weapon in the open, plainly visible, without restriction. Only six states allow someone to carry a concealed weapon without restriction. Chicago is the one city in the US with the strictest firearm laws, but also the highest incidence of firearm violence. Serbia and Switzerland also have high concentrations of firearms per capita, but nowhere near the level of firearm violence. What do Serbia and Switzerland do that the US doesn't? *COMPULSORY FIREARM SAFETY EDUCATION!*

[@NeoVault_]

It more so has to do with society. Both countries' societies are relatively stable and calm. Unlike US society which is full of validation, over exposure of mass shooters, unhealthy metal state of the younger generation, and incompetence of the parental and disciplinary system.

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

NeoVault57 6_6 All the more reason to try and start fixing it.

[@NeoVault_]

@@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa I think we're beyond that chance, all we can do is press forward.

[@l.l.8731]

Serbia and Switzerland are mostly homogeneously white. Chicago is very ...not white.

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

And gunpowder was discovered by Chinese pharmacists. What does that have to do with behavior?

[@GoblinTinkerer]

Loosing your power in OK KO is pretty much the same as dying. It's literally all people really care about. Their power.

[@CartoonFan1994]

This episode makes the left and the right look even worse than they already are.

[@1fishmob]

If they make an argument that's one sided and ignores all the valid points of the opposing side, at this point it's no longer a PSA, but outright propaganda.

[@tidepodpadthai2633]

This is like Happy Tree Friends trying to teach about PTSD. A show where one of the main characters murders people after having a war flashback.

[@heather1084]

Oh Yeah Flippy

[@wlfmanjack]

Yeah this episode handled its gun control message even worse than the anti gun episode in Bojack Horseman. I'd rather forget this episode exists, but I'm glad you addressed it in your review. I have a feeling no one else will and your review as well as your personal stance on gun control is the best middle ground no nonsense message I can get behind. Well don MrEnter

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

technically speaking the gun control problem has its root on the problem of "some people obey rules, some don't" that is nherent problem since the beginning, but that's a box of pandora no one tries to open because they don't now how they could handle it. But i liked Mr. Enter addressing the middle ground

[@biuuuwulf6975]

God that Bojack episode was painful. at least it was all in character for Diane and matching the tone of the rest of the show. not to mention it takes place in Hollywoo.

[@wlfmanjack]

Epix Tank Man I literally just marathoned Bojack in anticipation for the new season, cause despite the sprinkled in liberal messages being a little cringy (obviously a lot in the feminism = guns ep) I had to basically skip that side plot and focus entirely on the B plot of Bojack and HollyHock visiting Beatrice in the old folks home. Basically, at least the B plot gives some enjoyment and reason enough to watch it, where as this OK KO doesn't have a B plot so I have no other choice but to skip it altogether.

[@Woodenfan]

I think the feminism messages are _way_ too on the nose, but if people like it, I can't take it away from them.

[@marshmallowmountains4636]

I think that Bojack Horseman episode could have been a little better if at the end their phones went off again, indicating another shooting happened despite the new laws, then it goes to credits.

[@stephenbrown4698]

It’s noble that OK KO wanted to raise awareness about this issue, considering current events, but this episode really didn’t do a good job at it. The skeleton remotes taking powers away isn’t a terrible metaphor for a superhero show, but they should have let the consequences of the remote set in more, like since they’re powerless, villains can just wreak havoc without heroes to stop them. I used to think this episode was good, but the more I thought about it, the more I disliked it. It’s too one sided for anyone on the other side to change their mind, so it just preaches to the choir. I’m not sure if I’d say this is the worst OK KO episode, but it’s definitely up there.

[@HackiePuffs]

Stephen Brown honestly I’m on the anti gun side like this episode is trying to say. If you wanna defend yourself fine but a weapon that could potentially kill someone is a bit unnecessary. Although I could see someone who is on the pro gun side watching this episode for the first time and them feeling like the episode is just telling them “Shut up you’re wrong”. It should’ve addressed somethings about the other side too.

[@ryancarson6962]

That’s a nice idea but the problem is that since they still have the remotes, they can easily shoot the villains and have them be in a weakened powerless state so this shouldn’t be a problem. The real problem here is more gun irresponsibility but the episode doesn’t really help that message due to portraying everyone with a gun as irresponsible idiots which gives awful implications about gun users an David gives off “guns and the people who use them are bad” which doesn’t really help anyone because of how useless a lesson like that is.

[@Matt-ur1er]

Stephen Brown Honestly if you really want an episode about gun control, just go watch the BoJack Horseman episode "Thoughts and Prayers".

[@sookeysookey1]

I’m not trying to bunk your arguments. I’m republican, but I do think not everybody should own a gun. Personally, I’d never own one, because I’m so accident prone I’d shoot myself in the foot.

[@sookeysookey1]

Stephen Brown I also think a lot of characters weren’t in character for this episode. I don’t think Gar and Enid would be gun nuts, more like they’d try and help KO.

[@Plaugue1122]

Here's my experience with firearms I've dealt with a .22 bolt rifle for Scouts, my dad's revolver, the family pistol which only my mom and dad have direct access too, a shot gun (not my thing) and I can say I'm the least accurate shot my sister is a good shot my younger bro who was in the Navy is good of course and my youngest brother also a sharp shot. 3 things with guns 1. Never aim at something your prepared to shoot, 2. Aim center mass "aim small miss small" and 3. I believe people should all own something to protect themselves with.

[@dwebly3089]

_ALL THE OTHER KIDS WITH THE PUMPED UP KICKJS_

[@zacksphere6328]

Dwebly you better run better run

[@plushbombproductions4505]

Apparently this episode came out around the time of the Parkland school shooting

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

There is no letter J in the word "kicks"

[@koriscribble362]

Melvin Merkelhopper maybe they typed too fast and accidentally misspelled

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

@@koriscribble362 Yeah, you just think someone would have noticed.

[@dylankaiser5546]

if any action show should tackle gun control it should be Batman the animated series because bruce wayne's parents were killed by a gunman. There is an episode called Robin's Reckoning which is about going too far with revenge. i bring that up because while it doesn't have gun control in it at all it could have tackled the topic if Robin held a gun to the villain's head and Batman talks him out of it to keep him from going too far. but please note this is just a theory, but if any action show should talk about the dangers of firearms it should be Batman themed

[@Alondro77]

BtAS writers realized the REAL EVIL was inside people. A weapon can be anything and kill, but only when someone uses it. This is what MATURITY teaches us. However... consider the left-wing today. I see no sign of mental maturity at all... or mental stability for that matter. When members of Congress are not only condoning but ENCOURAGING violence against the 'enemy', we no longer have a political party... we have a cult.

[@dylankaiser5546]

exactly that is why if anyone should make an argument for causes and effects of gun violence it should be from BtAS or another Batman show, i just chose the 1990's because that was the best and most famous

[@CyberLance26]

I have not seen that much of this show but from what i have heard its more of a comedy show than an action show because the action and the stuff about stopping the villains is not really taken seriously.

[@dylankaiser5546]

Exactly that's the reason OK KO should not talk about gun control, because it's an action comedy show. Batman tas had some funny moments (courtesy of Mark Hamill's Joker) but they knew when to take something seriously. The main reason i think Batman would be the best character to talk about gun control is because it would fit into his character and morals. If mass shootings were more common in the 1990's the writers would have probably done an episode on this topic and it would work.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

@@dylankaiser5546 There was one episode of a batman cartoon that did have Robin pointing a gun at someone, might have been the Joker, and trying to make a case that executing him then and there would end the problem, going so far as to call Batman a coward because it's too hard. Batman's response is basically tell Robin that it's not hard to kill, and that's the issue. If I [Batman] would kill, I'd become the very thing I set out to fight, and that is a darkness I don't think I could ever come out of.

[@chrisbluefield5484]

I can't believe they allowed such blatant political propaganda and allegories onto this show. It's CN, not CNN.

[@Zaneyboy2_0]

I'm gonna make this brief on this I live in in a town that is thirty minutes away from nearest police station, I am against gun control not because I am a gun crazed lunatic but because I want me and family members to be safe. Anyway I enjoyed this video, keep up the good work Mr Enter.

[@theancientpyramhynx9679]

"Banning guns will just as effective be as banning marijuana." Being from a country where the everyday person doesn't have access to guns, I can confirm that this is true.

[@memeinquisitor9171]

He then explained why it doesn't work in the US

[@veronicasilk8429]

If anything it'll come out the same was as banning alcohol. It's not gonna stop the problem, if anything it just makes things worse. Such as an increase in smuggling and cause a massive rise in organized crime.

[@lpfan4491]

actually,there is another problem besides giving the criminals more power. if the things are banned,there is no reason to directly teach the kids that its dangerous until they are older(i think when i was a kid,i was only ever told that drugs are bad because they have horrible after effects. i wasnt told until this year what those after effects can be and i am 17. like,i seriously didnt know what lsd does). so if they get their hands on those banned things somehow,they dont know its dangerous and are more likely to get themselves or others killed. or they dont know to be cautious if they are confronted by an individuals carring such things.

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

What do you mean?

[@jfangm]

@@memeinquisitor9171 It doesn't work in the U.S. because it doesn't work anywhere. Philip Luty proved that by building a submachine gun out of parts from a hardware store.

[@tm7studios]

I'm early enough to see a flame war I bet

[@happydays6777]

Gamers rise up

[@happydays6777]

@Top ow

[@katlicks]

Mr Enter's comment section is rather very well mannered when it comes to political stuff in media like this. The Goode Family review for instance, although heavily political, was very tame and understanding.

[@pacificgrim4661]

It's just one Episode :p

[@Fitzftw7]

I think most of us are on the same page, actually.

[@candicefarrington2208]

I do want more school security. Mental detectors would help. My school had them ( because we're in a "bad" neighborhood) and we never had a scare. Why don't all schools just do that?

[@samhuertas2800]

Some school districts in Texas are now enforcing clear backpacks from what I've been told.

[@candicefarrington2208]

@@samhuertas2800 We had to have clear or the net book bags since I was in jr high and high school. It was uniform codes. I am only 29 years old. I never knew other schools didn't do this until I went to a I guess "better " school for a short period of time during hurricane Katrina.

[@samhuertas2800]

Wow, I had heard of the metal detectors and bag searches, but I thought the clear backpacks were a newfangled thing. Then again, the people I heard that from are immigrant parents of a first grader in a relatively affluent area [and as such baffled and depressed about it], so there's that.

[@candicefarrington2208]

@@samhuertas2800 It's life lol. I didn't want to bring ethnicity in it but. My jr and high were 80% black and brown people. The school I went to for a short time was 80 percent Caucasian. That plays a big part in it. That's why I put quotations around bad and better because both the schools was exactly the same. Nothing different but the percentage of different ethincities. That's life... especially in Louisiana...

[@renamon5658]

The gargoyles had a episode about the danger of guns and it handled the topic maturely and didn't talk down to kids

[@austinmorrison6953]

The "It was all a dream" trope is such a copout that only really works once in a blue moon. Just because it works in the Wizard of Oz doesn't mean it works...anywhere else.

[@SuperMarioJustin4]

I bet the writers were so proud of this. I bet they believe that it was such a love letter to the victims and survivors of gun violence. Well, guess what? It's as much of a love letter as Nostalgia Critic's review of The Wall to Pink Floyd, and the Super Bowl LIII Halftime Show to Stephen Hillenburg! What a desperate attempt at looking progressive and relevant!

[@trumpeterjen]

I think "ban these from schools" might have been more of a reference to "don't arm teachers," but given that even the protagonist doesn't seem sure of what he's saying, it's hard to tell.

[@snattlerake4417]

If you ask me, the problem with mass shootings and mass murder isn't necessarily in the tool used. If somebody really wants to kill a bunch of people, they'll find a way, whether it's driving a truck into a crowd, setting off an explosive in a truck, or piloting a plane into a building. I mean, explosives were almost used in Columbine, but they never went off. The guns were just the back-up plan. If the bombs went off, the casualties would have been in the triple digits and I don't think the current problem would be guns. I think the problem is, in addition to the media as pointed out in the video above and the AlternateHistoryHub video, is mental health. A normal person isn't going to even want to kill one person, let alone a dozen. For example, Eric Harris was diagnosed with psychopathy and Dylan Klebold was diagnosed with depression, both post-mortem. If more people were aware of the signs back then, somebody would have probably pointed them to the authorities, and we'd never have heard about Columbine. And, as I'm sure everybody is aware, the United States has this problem the most, and we don't have a good mental healthcare system.

[@TheGr1IsHere]

If you look into some of these cases, you will find people were aware of the mental issues and even violent issues but they did not address them correctly. A recent shooting actually had a violent act committed by the person a year before but since they chose to not prosecute the person, they were never place on a list that would of stopped them from buying a weapon. Criminals cannot buy guns, ever and in some cases background checks would of stopped them and in at least one case i am aware of a background check did stop someone who turned around and stole the weapon they used. There are a lot of problems but when i looked up the information many years ago about background checks and found that thousands such checks have stopped people from buying guns, but the government did not follow up on why this or that person, who cannot legally buy a gun, was trying to get a gun. This is never an easy issue to address and going to any extreme is not the answer, because extremes have never solved any problem, instead it just becomes a reason to throw hate at someone to help someone else politically and it is all around bad. Another little note and this has to do with bans, Columbine happened during an assault rifle ban, that later expired as it was a 10 year ban, and the guns used were hunting rifles. There is a movement over in the UK to ban knives, but you do not hear about it too much and knowing someone who lives there, many attacks are not even discussed on the news because they are trying to keep the public from learning how much violence still exists, and i got this directly from a friend living there. It really is hard to find the truth behind they extreme emotional reactions and emotions while they happen and are important to address cannot be allowed into making any laws.

[@ethandole2354]

You're focusing on just one issue out of many. What about places like Chicago which have heavy gun regulation but still have high murder rates?

[@Commenter839]

@Mullerornis I, similar to Mr. Enter, have pretty mixed feelings about the lobby for tighter gun laws, although I err slightly on the side of not supporting them, so I guess I'm qualified to respond to you. On one hand, yes, there does seem to be a correlation between loose gun laws and the amount of crimes committed with guns. On the other hand, however, most gun violence is committed with handguns, which, let's be real, are never getting banned in the United States, and most states do have laws in place that require permits and whatnot to legally own those. Even though mass shootings are all the rage on the news, you'de to be incredibly unlucky to ever actually be caught in one, much less die in one, because they're so rare. Basically, if someone was going to be shot and/or killed by a gun, they're much more likely to be killed by a revolver or a tiny pistol than an AR-15. Also, yes, there are statistics on gun crime, but it's important to remember that for just about every crime there is, there are a lot more instances of crimes being unsuccessfully attempted, and never being reported to police. If a homeowner spots a suspicious person lurking around their door at night, and they flash a gun to show they're armed, and the suspicious person runs away... well, most of the time, the homeowner won't call the cops to investigate, and nobody ever finds out. But that doesn't mean having that gun didn't help the homeowner. I think one of the gun control methods that I directly disagree with is the requirement in some states to wait a "grace" period before being able to obtain your weapon. The intent is great; it's meant to prevent people from buying and using weapons on a whim, but really, all it does is make people who seriously might need a self-defense moment for whatever reason (stalker, abusive relationship, being threatened, etc) vulnerable in that moment. The US has a gun problem, but just making it harder for average citizens to get guns isn't going to solve anything. There is no black and white, x and y way to curb gun violence, at least when it comes to gun control. For a start, I noticed that the vast majority of states with the highest gun violence also tend to have the highest poverty rates and the lowest concentrations of educated people... so we can hypothetically start by trying to put more jobs in those areas to curb poverty, or something like that. I don't know the magic course of action to bottleneck gun violence, but I feel like tightening gun laws, especially in states like New York and New Jersey, can't do much else to reduce gun violence.

[@Commenter839]

@Mullerornis The question for that is how, if handguns are so widespread and commonplace already, and there are already laws in place in most states to prevent certain people from legally owning firearms. "Control" is a very vague term.

[@ryancarson6962]

How are they stupid? That’s link you brought doesn’t debunk the claim that mental problems are the core of these violent attacks.

[@kate-gq4ne]

Me: sees animated atrocities and okko thumbnail Me: EXEUSE ME WHAT THE FU- *Sees title* Me: Oh okay, my bad. Continue.

[@originaluseername]

SO WHY IS THERE A “ME:”

[@christianpaz7751]

When a reviewer makes more sense than what is said on media while reviewing a cartoon.

[@NotMyRealName6]

Also, I will _never_ refer to any mass shooter by name. I came to this conclusion after the _first_ mass shooting I actually watched coverage of.

[@minigungaming5915]

They become infamous, and teenagers follow that example. Just like Tide Pods, they dont care what happens. They just want fame.

[@minigungaming5915]

@White-Van Helsing Sorry. What I meant is that the reason teens were willing to hurt themselves with Tide Pods is for Internet fame.

[@NotMyRealName6]

No, I was too young to pay attention to the news back then. I don't recall the exact shooting but to be fair I prefer it that way. The only thing I want to remember about these shootings at all is the names of the victims. All this press coverage of the shooting itself and more importantly the _shooter_ getting most of said coverage, is in my opinion insulting to the memory of the victims.

[@alectryonrooster2956]

@TheBrodsterBoy the Tide commercial that was talking about not eating the pods made everyone more aware that it was happening, and more people did it. So really, it's Tide's fault that the Tide Pod challenge got so popular.

[@cats-hv2lm]

I just call them “Murderous Jackwad Number Whatever”, because that’s what they are, but I don’t want to know their name, and they certainly aren’t special. Just another fucked up person who leaves me disgusted and disappointed. People like them don’t deserve names in the history books, their name and face should be purged. Remember the consequences of their actions, but not the horrid people who committed them. We may need to remember what not to do - the horrors of humanity at its worst - but don’t give those sick souls the credit they wanted. Still continue to carry rage and pain in your heart, but shun the people who are so foul. Forget them, not their actions. Let them all fall under the simple label of “evil people”, cursed to be faceless. Steal and smother their fame, just like they did to life. It’s the best sort of revenge for those sickos.

[@DonnieDoodles]

15:30 It's life lessons like that that make me love Mr Enter and his reviews. His ability to speak eloquently and calmly about serious issues is really refreshing to me.

[@awakenedfurmissile4617]

I'm pro gun and frankly this episode was so stupid on its reasons. Biggest flaw with this is just the same I see with some pro gun control people: You don't blame the individual you instead blame the tool. This episode instantly blames the tool while doing stupid straw mans that as a pro gun person make no sense considering pro gun people know why we are pro gun

[@HackiePuffs]

Brandon Gower I mean I get some people want guns as self defense and there’s nothing wrong with defending yourself but I think a weapon that could potentially kill someone is unnecessary. I’m anti gun btw.

[@wiibrockster]

I'm British and I thought this episode was stupid. I'd prefer a Mace or an Axe over a gun

[@mionkeenan6160]

Hackie PPG But in a situation where someone is threatening you, you could very well be the one potentially killed. If your life is in danger, you don't exactly have much of a choice.

[@awakenedfurmissile4617]

Anything can be used as a weapon even your bare fists. Also what am i supposed to use for self defense if I am not allowed a gun, and places where guns are just outright banned complete also ban many other tools of self defense. The problem is people who want guns banned are the same people that want to rely on the government for protection which is troubling cause that's the first sign of creating a corrupt government. The fact of the matter is you have a higher chance of living in self defense than by relying on the government

[@HackiePuffs]

Brandon Gower I said that I don’t think self defense is wrong I think that if you need to force someone to stop attacking you is fine. But what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think using a deadly weapon is the best choice. I mean yeah weakening them until they can’t fight anymore is fine but I don’t think taking their life is really necessary. I mean that’s a pretty final decision they just die on the spot. They don’t have any chances to redeem themselves they’re just permanently gone for good.

[@jamesbaddock3618]

who wouldn't like to be a spooky boi

[@bidoof367]

if i was a skeleton then i'd just stand around in a blue hoodie

[@bidoof367]

josh the rare earthbound and undertale fan yes i would become sans

[@somethingsuperbland8829]

Bruh I could do the spooky dance

[@RaveRaven227]

Damn. They even threw in "it was a dream the whole time" trope. The episode was bad enough, and I don't think it would be a full animated atrocity without that final push off the cliff.

[@jamalandersen3768]

Mr enter, I wanted to thank you for all your reviews, and your calm demeanor on this subject. I appreciate you as a person, and i hope you keep doing reviews.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Static Shock handled gun safety better, and it didn't even seem anti-gun.

[@beastwarsFTW]

It seemed anti bullying to me, the the only part about the gun was that the dad needed to keep it better locked up (which people need to do), most of the story was around how a kid was brought to his braking point and then shot an innocent.

[@GraySheep1717]

HELLO THERE

[@ruyekahatori3073]

And a character had a personal reason to hate guns (Virgil's mom was shot and killed during a riot while she was tending to someone). It was also a message of "If you are bullied, guns and violence are not the answer, and don't bully someone in the first place." and told kids kinda the hard truth- the bullies didn't get in as much trouble as the bullied kid who brought a gun and accidentally shot Richie., much like in real life. But the PSA at the end didn't talk down to kids, it said "If you ever see a gun do NOT pick it up."

[@DeathLeprecon]

I like OK KO. I'm in favor of more effective gun regulation. But this episode was really bad and a terrible mis-characterization of people on the opposite side of the debate as me. Also, all of OK KO's political episodes (except Captain Planet) are heavy-handed and obnoxious. They need to stop.

[@JohnDixon]

For me, Captain Planet was painful to watch; they set up the strawman argument as "Pollution is good and we only care about money!" and then tore down that argument by blowing up a factory

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@JohnDixon Well it was the 80s, subtlety is hard to find and every cartoon had a side ploy to sell toys

[@raptorcell6633]

I dont even know if its straw manning Anti Gun Control advocates on purpose or straw manning Pro Gun Control advocates on accident.

[@jfangm]

The best gun regulation is no gun regulation. We never had mass shooting problems in the 1920s, when literal machine guns could be bought by children.

[@BradenINSANE]

@@JohnDixon Hi John

[@LendriMujina]

You can tell a good political commentary from if it can be enjoyed even if you strongly disagree with it (see: a good chunk of South Park), and you can tell a _bad_ political commentary from if it _can't_ be enjoyed even if you strongly _agree_ with it (see: this).

[@factsandstuff2832]

I agree. I've enjoyed episodes of shows where I disagreed with the political/moral lesson. If it's entertaining, it's entertaining.

[@MV96_]

South Park? The one where trans people are grossly misrepresented, among other things?

[@alfa01spotivo]

@@MV96_ yeah one bad example

[@connorbredall3112]

Then what would be the middle case, where you enjoy it if you agree with it and don't enjoy it if you disagree with it.

[@skeltheshapeshifter2697]

@@connorbredall3112 biased

[@bobbyferg9173]

I agree Mr. Enter, even though it is a very controversial opinion: Random Crits should be removed

[@LNERfan]

But I'm so bad at TF2 as it is! Please don't take random crits from me ;A;

[@bobbyferg9173]

LNERfan I mean they usually benefit good players more but sure

[@squinos3255]

Random crits is an apart ofa average breakfast

[@SorowFame]

Bobby Ferg wouldn't a good player be good enough not to need them? I don't play TF2 so I don't know.

[@robertjustrobert]

I remember when something called subtlety existed. I miss when political messages could be displayed with them.

[@coolbrickz657]

Man that ending was just pure Poetry

[@tarabletv]

As someone who has worked with a congressman for three years, politicians are a lot more reasonable about personal opinions than you think. We are required by law to take detailed notes of every call we receive, and things like age, gender, religion, or sex do not matter when it comes to equal treatment. What DOES matter is the location, because if you call someone like Elizabeth Warren but live in Texas, there's not a lot that she can do for your case other than recommend you contact your own us congressman. Also, just like you said, the best argument in politics is the worst argument on the other side. Even though my thoughts on gun control have been iffy in the past, watching this video has made me fully pro-gun. You brought up several logical points and honestly, I'm just glad to see such a reasonable video on this issue from a cartoon channel.

[@junielthegamer2845]

In my opinion adding more to the already existing gun control laws is pointless, we should target the root of the problem AKA the mental health of a would-be shooter, we should start campaigns, raise awareness, educate the masses, etc. After all, a healthy mind = a healthy future

[@robokill387]

The idea that mental illness is a main cause of mass shootings is a myth. This video explains the problems with the idea. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6u7pGB4Z9mNabM

[@werce9120]

I would pull a Persona 3 and turn myself into a skeleton if it meant that I wouldn't need to eat, use the bathroom, shower and basically live forever.

[@totallynotjeff7748]

Shout out to future historians who still care about this stuff.

[@totallynotjeff7748]

@@diegokaqui60 the stuff he talked about.

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

Diego Kaqui Politics in cartoons, my dude.

[@everythingilikerules]

Going in, I thought this episode would be about the characters being assholes to Real Magic Skeleton. You know, the skeleton character that actually exists.

[@adampkalb]

It is interesting to see other people's stances on what else OK KO: Let's Not Be Skeletons could have been about.

[@haskeymorrison]

This show is so good, but the fact that footage of the Vegas shooting is more informative than this episode is hellacious.

[@robertwright9389]

This is a good show, but this is NOT the kind of show that needs to be trying to talk about these kinds of things. In fact, I don't think any show should unless the research is done and the message isn't as hamfisted as this. OK KO is hyper and goofy most of the time...it can't convey this message correctly.

[@Plaugue1122]

Ymean like static shock did in the best way

[@tijanaself897]

I grew up with guns a person who was taught how to handle a weapon will not abuse it sick people will sick people who have never been told what the consequences are sick people who normally only get a gun for thos

[@NRF-ee6cp]

Metal detectors seem to work well. Whenever there ISN'T one is when the accidents happen.

[@LendriMujina]

5:09 Wait a minute... that skeleton only needed a light smack before he exploded into parts. I do believe that's an actual fatality caused by a skeleton remote. If the writers had *realized* that, it could have really helped the metaphor. Would have been consistent with the "takes away superpowers" line, too. Had this episode been done properly, the characters would have tried to fight as skeletons only to be taken down by a single punch like that one was. Essentially, being turned into a skeleton would take away all of one's strength and endurance. Not killing you on their own, but basically leaving you with 1 HP left. It would have been a decent way to show that the remotes are in fact a lethal threat while keeping the graphic violence to a broadcast-acceptable level. But these guys don't have a drop of self-awareness and missed the chance to boost their own point.

[@reptilprinceoflizardpeople5797]

It's snaz undretal

[@1978garfield]

Anyone who thinks there are no rules or regulations on firearm ownership has never bought a gun. The only way you can buy a gun without a background check is if you buy it from a 3rd party. Those sales are a small percentage of the total. If you make that illegal people will just sell their gun and report it stolen. BTW in my state IL you have to get a Firearm Owners ID card from the state police. You have to verify even on 3rd party transfers the buyer has a valid FOID card. You can do this online or over the phone. The state police updates the database every day. If you do something to cause you to loose your FOID card the state police come take it. All of this has done nothing to stop shootings in Chicago. People are arrested every day carrying guns without FOID cards and without carry licences. They are rarely charged and when they are they get a slap on the wrist. Enforce the laws that are on the books before making new ones. Lawbreakers will break the law particularity when there are no consequences.

[@jmckenzie962]

I'm really glad to see that never showing that faces/names of shooters and the media being a part of the problem is catching on in the KZbin community. First it was AlternateHistoryHub, then Philip DeFranco, and now you. Good on you guys.

[@connorbredall3112]

The "never showing that faces/names of shooters" is one of the reasons why Philip DeFranco is the only news source I trust.

[@meh2385]

NGL, I've always found this trend of never talking about the shooters stupid and pointless. The truth will come out, the New Zealand government did everything in their power to conceal the Christchurch shooter's identity and I still found out who he was. The better solution would be to put an emphasis on the victims while still talking about the shooter/s

[@sergiorubens8475]

@@meh2385 hmmm

[@kiiboy_8350]

When I first saw this episode, I hated it and I try to avoid it. It’s annoying and it bothers me. All the characters feel out of character. I know it’s just a dream but still.

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

You noticed that too? That pissed me off so much! Especially regarding Enid. Outside of this episode, she has never, EVER done something as stupid as firing a deadly weapon around the place like a flipping LOON. If anything, I’ve always regarded her as the mature one in the group. She usually has her head screwed on right, and keeps calm in stressful situations. Hell, later on she got to go to P.O.I.N.T Prep- a school for top league HEROES. So why reduce her to an absolute moron for the sake of making a point?

[@patworx1]

Yeah, this episode was stupid. And I’m pro gun control.

[@Nionivek]

I am Pro Gun Control and I felt that their presentation of gun right advocates was insulting, as well as how the show preps you to treat them "No way! We aren't listening! No Way! We don't care about the concerns about your personal safety". Though given how it presents the Gun control side, maybe I should be more personally insulted.

[@sookeysookey1]

I’m pro guns, but I think not everybody should own one, like felons or mentally incapacitated people or people who are gonna randomly shoot their friends in the shoulder because they think the safety’s off. I’m really accident prone so I wouldn’t own one.

[@Nionivek]

The greatest Virtue of Pro-Gun is that out of everyone they respect guns the most... and don't treat them like mythological objects. I swear if I hear "Assault weapons" one more time... I am pro gun control but I find my own side to be mostly advocated by people who don't know what guns are.

[@redsnake188]

Not gonna lie love guns haven't seen this episode or finished this episode but man just scrolling through the comments this episodes seems to insulting to both parties its almost impressive

[@davidhong1934]

It's almost like the problem isn't the guns, but rather that we, as humans, have horrible impulse control and anger-management.

[@sethrangel6798]

Mr.Enter, despite recent events (which I am ignorant of and would prefer to stay so), I loved your video. I've gained perspective that I'm not sure I would have, and perspective worth far more than the subject matter. Thank you.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

I wonder if this is like his video on Homer Badman, where he outlined that, yes, the thing in particular was the Cosby scandals, but that he didn't need to specify since there would always be a scandal that matched the satire, this being either a follow-through on that precedent of Mr. Enter reading up on Media Contagion and how the media reporting on mass shootings actually increases mass shootings, similarly to celebrity suicides. Notable difference being that media outlets collectively agreed to stop reporting on celebrity suicides when this was pointed out and didn't with mass shootings.

[@c-puff]

I'd be intersted in seeing any talk about the gun safety episode of Gargoyles as a counterpoint to this. And whether you feel that one is done better or not. That's not sacrasm. I'm honestly curious.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

Someone else brought it up and basically said it was better handled because Gargoyles treated the subject with the tone necessary for the topic.

[@mistertagomago7974]

Havent seen the episode but someone mentioned it was more the message that guns are dangerous and should be handled carefully rather than guns are bad period.

[@wolpertingera5829]

Gargoyles really treated the topic with a lot of respect and both characters involved learned something. Broadway understood that guns are not toys and that playing around with weapons can hurt or kill loved ones (or innocent people in general) since he almost killed Elisa and she admitted at the end of the episode that it was also her fault since she let her gun lying around instead of putting it somewhere save.

[@domajackthesheepoid3948]

Thankfully this whole epsiode was a dream that KO had. So it's thankfully non canon.

[@SuperMarioJustin4]

Instead of making it a dream, it would have been better twist if it turned out to be a film presentation to Gil and that congresswoman on why making that remote is a bad idea. The message would still be terrible, but at least it would make the story more original.

[@robertsimon2885]

All in all, politics should either be used responsibly or not used at all.

[@MadMunchkin]

I never could get on board with this show's art style.

[@SamuraiDoggo14]

I feel like if the remotes did something like permanently petrify someone, I feel like that would help the metaphor a bit.

[@salokin3087]

Yeah, this was a weak episode, but thankfully most of their other messages on society are good

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

Yeah. I think the problem in terms of this episode is that they tried a little TOO hard to get their message across. It just comes off as preachy to me.

[@lunamiraidon]

I believe that if children are old enough to be shot, they should be old enough to speak out about the conditions that lead to it. But I guess only people who are 18 can be victims now, huh?

[@mindriguniverse2429]

I dont know, when Ok K.O woke up, told his mother, said mother says to call your state representative/Congress member, and we then swipe to a superhero/Congress woman whose powers are political balance beating up a man who sells guns, I kinda took the episode as a spoof on 80-90s shoehorned PSAs that carried a message with them. Hell, the Captain Planet episode sorta did the exact thing. At worst, it is a weird spoof/satire on what was prevalent when the creators of the show were growing up and watching cartoons.

[@tristanmcfrosty2588]

Mindrig Universe Idk dude, you view it however you like, but considering how hot of a topic gun control is right now and how liberal many the show’s creators are (which I’m not saying as a negative aspect, I’m a Demo. myself, just saying that many of them are from Steven Universe which should give you an idea of their political thoughts), I feel like this is quite clearly a legitimate attempt to push a message about gun violence. Even if it is a parody, then it shouldn’t be handled in such a way, because kids aren’t going to be sophisticated enough to understand so and will take it seriously.

[@bigbrainanime9485]

Don't do this... Don't even try to do this, even if it is a parody it's not a very good or enjoyable as one. It simply takes it's self way too seriously to be a parody.

[@AppleWoods6]

The episode paying homage to Dexter's Lab was a parody, this is a pathetic shoe-horning of the creator's flawed political views in an attempt to stay relevant to the times in a show aimed at children. This show is fantastic when it focuses on what it was created for, wacky action that pays homage to anime, superheroes, and video games, these episodes with messages such as this have no place in it, at least the Captain Planet episode actually fit the theme of the show even if it did have a somewhat political theme as well.

[@ryancarson6962]

Considering the issue talked about I still one that’s very relevant today it’s likely it’s not trying to be a parody and is being seriously, though with how dumb characters get when they do get the guns- oh I mean “skeleton remotes” I can see why you would think that but it’s more likely they’re serious.

[@jonigazeboize_ziri6737]

Or what if the sceleton remotes are a metaphore for smartphones?

[@daskampffredchen]

Let's not be skeletons? More like Let's not be Strawmens!

[@zzz43344]

That joke was funnier than ANYTHING in this episode.

[@alexmalcolm6309]

I think what many people don't realize is that criminals, you know, break the law. If something is illegal and someone really wants to do it anyway they will find a way to do it. When alcohol was banned in America a huge market for illegal liquor arose. Banning more things is not going to solve anything.

[@pictonomii3295]

Alex Malcolm By that logic, we shouldn't have laws, b/c people will just break them anyway.

[@barbarakirk3064]

The Two Ronnies also did a Music Man 'Trouble' parody about a dodgy vicar, which ended up with the vicar going into hell!

[@PatrickBoy412]

Thank god somebody brought this episode up

[@strawberryfieldswhenever]

I'm revisiting this video because I read that the Animaniacs reboot will have a gun control analogy episode...

[@strawberryfieldswhenever]

@Phoebe LaRose The actual gun control arguments they gave were stupid, but the episode definately had moments that made me laugh. I was in stitches during the anime parody! I can definately see Mr. Enter doing an atrocity episode on it though.