My One Problem with X-Men 97

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[@CA8IN8MU8IC]

as a massive ninja turtles fan, that one thing i love most ab them. every generation has a ninja turtles movie or show that's pretty much just for them

[@shajita]

Same with Pokémon, actually. I love seeing the young’uns going crazy for their line-up of starters.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

nah i adopt every new one that comes out. bet those dumb kids don't even have the sewer city playset cuz they broke hahaha

[@jlev1028]

​@@banquetoftheleviathan1404Even The Next Mutation?

[@thesausageman5388]

I’m in a strange area where I grew up with 2012 and hated Rise when it came out, but grew to like it and now adopt both as MY TMNT.

[@gregmorrell3136]

You can say the same thing about any and every popular IP lmao

[@ThePonderer]

I like how the fairly straightforward conclusion of “nostalgia bait probably won’t appeal to the kids” reads primarily as an excuse for Nando to ramble about his encyclopedic X-men knowledge for 8-ish minutes.

[@ju5tahu5tl3]

Right? Truth be told...I think the series MAY do really well...but it was crafted for the fans and their hopeful families. I can imagine families getting together to watch this again just like back in 97...but only time will tell.

[@harleyjo4875]

@@ju5tahu5tl3ah right, the classic past time of the nuclear family getting around the boob tube and watching X Men together like any good secular family would.

[@KnucklesxReala911]

@@harleyjo4875 well have in mind that back in that time, many households only had one tv in the living room, and if the kids get to it first, guess what mom and dad will be watching for the next half hour at least

[@tylerprince88]

I'm so angry I sat through this video

[@thnzxc]

​@@tylerprince88I feel you on that one.

[@DoctorFatality]

I think Young Justice found a decent balance of old and new by season 2, and it was cool because even in season 1 the focus was on the youngsters and you saw them grow into mentors (and become the "old")

[@ProjektTaku]

Yeah, although I am kinda sad we didn't get more of the original team doing missions and I like season 2 slightly less, they found a nice middle ground in keeping the original characters relevant while introducing new ones like BB and Impulse, both fantastic. I do think they should've scaled back by seasons 3 and 4, Forager and female Forager were extremely one note and Zatara's students were fairly placid.

[@superby1]

Just don't watch seasons 3 and 4, or if you do, go in with tempered expectations.

[@BaithNa]

Young Justice was always about the next generation of heroes, this show kind of settled on a team and didn't change it too much for 5 seasons

[@bennett4789]

young justice season 1 is its best season

[@benjaminjane93]

Young Justice was amazing the first two seasons. By season 3 and 4 they really jumped the shark with the social commentary. Young Justice was awesome because they did show more of the complex issues of being a young superhero, but they took that and made it "Yes, and now we should talk about ALL of societies issues!"

[@BestBoyPatrick]

Oh my GOD X-MEN EVOLUTION!!! That just unlocked something deep in my memories

[@handlebarsmustache]

First time I ever saw Captain America, and it was a sad Wolverine story in that.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

The Rogue of that series was OP af xD

[@mechashadow]

This was the Continuation we needed to get back..

[@SwizzleMix]

Yeah seriously, I haven't thought about it since I was a kid but it came rushing back

[@ProjektTaku]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 acting like the ability to drain anyone's lifeforce and powers, not just mutants, just by touching them isn't already OP.

[@Web_Warrior_Geo]

i watched the trailer when it came out and the coments were all just "don't make it woke and it'll be good", "please don't be woke" and "disney will ruin this by making it woke". like, how oblivious do you have to be?

[@marcelldavid7135]

The problem with the MCU in general is that thats all there is. You can say whatever you want about DC but the fact that we were not without a Superman just because the movies abandoned him is awsome. We had Suparman & Lois, we had animated movies etc. It sucks that Marvel only focuses on the MCU and doesn't do solo animated movies or any stand alone stuff.

[@KenyoMurabu]

As Far As I Can See From A FAN Perspective Of Marvel?? The Good Old Days Of Marvel Animation Died In 92-96 Basically going into the 2000's... The Good Old Days Of Marvel Live Movies Died when End Game Was Released... Infinity War & End Game Sucked, & Deadpool 1 & 2 had nothing to do with the Source Material, but they were fun & entertaining... I'm just saying, Marvel is in Disney's Hands now, & X-Men was already crashing & burning when Disney had them last time, & it's happening all over again, ~_~ Disney does not know what they are doing with Marvel, ~_~ Disney need to sell X-Men to FOX again... Because Disney doesn't ever learn, ~_~

[@KierGomes]

X-Men Evolution is also my favorite piece of X-Men media. It’s maybe one of my favorite series of all time.

[@ashwainthobourne4874]

Thats the one I grew up with. Never watched xmen tas, my one thing is where some younger mutants students or where are the other mutants

[@Eric_1991]

It's so refreshing to see a video on this that doesn't claim it's going woke lol. It's like people don't understand X-Men

[@CrotaTheStrike]

If marvel animation are looking to make more cartoons, I’d wish Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur could honestly get a whole animated universe spun out of it. I don’t know if Disney would do it, but I think it would go hard

[@carlosjaimez9028]

I thought they were already in a separate animated universe?

[@frogtalks2814]

@@carlosjaimez9028yeah, they are. Think what he’s saying is that he wants more stuff in that animated universe.

[@deee71194]

An x-men series in the same style as moon girl would be * chef’s kiss *

[@Skyhigh91100]

I’d settle for some advertising about this series…it’s so good and I never see it referenced

[@carlosjaimez9028]

Actually this makes me wonder... What would Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur look like with remastered animation?

[@marvelfan281]

Marrow would have predated Spyke, whose powers I think are the closest.

[@bodhimind108]

I was looking for this comment. Yeah, Spike seemed to have been a reworking of Marrow. I don't know why they decided to do that with Marrow right there already. Maybe she was too 90's extreme for the early 2k's.

[@pibb2474]

I don't have the link handy, but in interviews, the creators of "X-Men Evolution" confirmed that they created Spyke from scratch and only learned later of Marrow's existence. A fun, pseudo-case of multiple discovery.@@bodhimind108

[@Kusinohki]

IIRC - They thought the were creating a new original character for the show with spike. After the show aired, hard core fans pointed out how similar spike was to an existing character (I'm assuming marrow, I know nothing about them). Too late to change things by then though...

[@trealsteve]

He’s the Ray J of animation. We don’t ever speak, acknowledge, or look at him without a shudder.

[@trealsteve]

@@bodhimind108It’s because the show runner/head writer was an idiot and possible bigot that also made the idiotic decision to make Storm an adult and not part of the main team. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@browneyedgirl26]

Discovering the original X-Men cartoon as a kid, changed my life. At 9 years old it WAS life. It started my lifelong love of both this franchise and of comics in general. I'm willing to give this new version a chance and reserve judgement until we get the first few episodes.

[@CharginChuck]

Same here friend. That cartoon was my first Marvel. It cemented me as a fan of the franchise, which helped cement me as a lifelong pop culture nerd, which is a very big part of who I am. And while some people might consider that dumb or pathetic, I'm proud of it. I will never be ashamed of loving the things I love and acknowledging how big a part of my life they are. And that cartoon was at the start of it all. If I were to rank the top five shows, movies, etc, that had the biggest impact on my life, well frankly it would be impossible to do. But I can still say for a fact that X-Men would be on that list. Also, not only does it have the best intro sequence of any cartoon ever, it has the TWO best intro sequences of any show ever (look up the Japanese intro if you haven't seen it. It somehow manages to be even more awesome that the American version).

[@browneyedgirl26]

@@CharginChuck If by the Japanese intro, you are referring to the 2011 anime, I LOVED it. The X-Men cartoon also has one of the most epic theme songs of all time. Looking back, it means a lot that so much effort was dedicated to an animated show for kids. Listen, always be proud of who you are and have pride in the things that make you happy. Hope you enjoy X-Men '97.

[@CharginChuck]

@@browneyedgirl26 I'm talking about the Japanese intro for the 90s X-Men series, it is AMAZING. The 2011 anime was interesting, but I wasn't super into it. I'd love to see another attempt at an X-Men anime someday.

[@browneyedgirl26]

@@CharginChuck Thanks. I didn't even know there was a Japanese intro for the '90s version. I'm definitely going to check it out. And I agree, a new X-Men anime is long overdue.

[@trealsteve]

@@CharginChuck👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@DonWeaselYeehawEdition]

Bringing back X-Men 97 makes way more sense from a corporate brand perspective, but I completely agree. Despite how LEGENDARY Batman: The Animated Series was, Batman continued to get new animated shows for new generations after that show ended and they were great in their own right. The X-Men are WAY more adaptable for the reasons you stated, so it is kinda odd that we haven’t gotten a Gen Z/Gen Alpha X-Men show yet

[@maxalmonte14]

Damn, this is so spot on. I never realized it but it's true. I'm obsessed with Wolverine and my little nephew asked me the other day "how did you meet Wolverine for the first time?" I showed him the 90s animation intro and he was unimpressed, like "ok, cool, I guess". It just hit me now, this kid has grown up without an X-men series, heck, there's even a new Teen Titans he grew up watching, but not an X-Men series, I'm 19 years older than this kid, I cannot expect him to like the ol' ass cartoons of my day and age, there should be new ones tailor to his generation.

[@skarhead7597]

Your nephew is weird. I introduced my 5 year old nephew to Wolverine & he was instantly captivated, had his parents get him toys and clothing with the character...and whenever I go to the comic shop he wants to come and he brings home XMen comics. He can't even read, but he has a nice little collection he takes care of. He's super athletic & loves sports, but he's a huge fan of Wolverine as well as Spiderman, Hulk, and Iron Man

[@maxalmonte14]

@@skarhead7597oh he likes mutants, specially Wolverine but he has grown up watching other Marvel projects like MCU films and What If, so he's more familiar with Spiderman, The Avengers, Doctor Strange, and the likes. He knows of way more characters than I knew at his age. Sadly he cannot relate to the X-men even if he wanted to since no animated series has come out in recent memory.

[@trealsteve]

@@skarhead7597Agreed. Probably the to cool for school kind of kid. 🤣

[@CL12356]

The dancing in X-men: Evoltion is actually directly pulled from Buffy. The craft is them walking around. So wild-I love it!

[@calebgonzalez599]

I'm 30, I grew up on the Animated series and Evolution. I'm beyond psyched for this!

[@Lamq555]

A part of me wishes Wolverine and the X-Men was getting the revival, hate that Wolverine was center stage BUT it ended on a cliffhanger and all the characters were great 🥲

[@trealsteve]

Facts. At least one more season or an animated film to tie up loose ends. Avengers EMH needs a continuation also.

[@Thedude38356]

I'd enjoy a new X-Men project that starred the New Mutants and Generation X characters. I'm all for it.

[@yopedraza]

I love how animated shows based on Marvel and DC pretty much turn kids into fans of superheroes

[@ndemnkem2469]

As a generation x fan growing up. i'd love to see them with a series. every generation should be able to say this is their team of xmen .

[@gwar180]

This one brought me back. Marvel’s cartoon line up in the 2000’s was legendary. Still watch Spectacular Spider-Man

[@zzeroara9511]

tbh i wish they'd bring back Spectacular and have it continue after whatever happens in Beyond the Spider-Verse, since he'll be a part of that

[@xHx23x]

I think any new concept for an X-Men cartoon won't happen until people are cast and they actually have a concept for the MCU X-Men. Meanwhile the Deadpool movie seems like it will reference the cartoon at least in asthetics so 97 makes sense as a placeholder. I do agree that we need something new and that Evo was the best

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

we don't really get cartoons like that anymore do we?

[@iraford5788]

​@@banquetoftheleviathan1404not really.

[@iraford5788]

​@@banquetoftheleviathan1404not really.

[@xHx23x]

I mean it's been a while for a traditional cartoon but technically What if and spiderman freshman year, the only animation projects they are doing right now are MCU connected. I wouldn't be surprised that Disney wants to save any new ideas for the live action first and whatever side project second. There is a rumor some x characters will show up on what if so maybe that will be the place to test the waters.

[@kyleharlan100]

Yeah, typically animated series always follow the tone and format of the movies (X-Men Evolution, Spider-Man Freshman Year), establishing a young X-Men following with an animated series first would be the tail wagging the dog. They don't want to have the Disney+ cartoon for kids setting the table for much more profitable movies. The cartoon would always be posed as a supplement for the movies.

[@shippendales8543]

The dance scene from Xmen Evolution with Rogue and Kitty is a reference to Buffy the Vampire Slayers scene of Faith Lehane and Buffy Summers dancing. Buffy was inspired by Kitty Pryde as a character so it was a full circle moment.

[@TheMimic12]

Not only that, I'm pretty sure the animatiors rotoscoped the scene from Buffy

[@marveler8994]

I'm starting to realize that pretty much all Disney is doing with xmen so far. Professor x in the illuminati has the 90s theme play, when kamala is revealed to be a mutant the theme plays, beast looks like 90s beast, and xmen 97 in general. I'm a big xmen fan so I'm not complaining but this video really brought that to my attention

[@BlckSWANWhtRbbt]

Disney can see what people are watching on Disney +. It's why they are making so much new Moana stuff; it is consistently one of the most watched movies. I'm guessing there are a lot of views on that series so they know it is what will sell. Nando is right though that they will need to get some new programing for kids today if they want to stay relevant!

[@joncarroll2040]

TBF Marvel has a habit of going back and touching on old, iconic adaptations. Iron Man actually reuses the 90s theme at one point and Incredible Hulk had a very clear influence from the Bill Bixby show.

[@marveler8994]

@@joncarroll2040 I didn't know about the iron man part tbh

[@emmanuelantonio9967]

I agree, although unlike what you said I'm actually not a big fan of the 90s show to begin with. I didn't grow up with it, and I have tried to go back and watch it but I don't think it has aged well at all. I've read the actual comics they've based on though, and they aged a lot better in my opinion. But to be honest, I just hate that the popular opinion now seems to be that the X-Men needs to be stuck being their 90s selves for all eternity when so many great X-Men runs have happened since then, even pretty recent ones.

[@shaunwashington9122]

I agree 100%. I grew up on the XTAS & even I wished Disney would have went a different route than the 90’s era. At least modernize it to current incarnation of the team. Nostalgia is good but not at the cost of being antiquated.

[@ChineduOpara]

​@@shaunwashington9122Well give it time! They wanted to please the massive fan base that enjoyed the original 90s X-Men cartoon first. I bet soon they will do what you desire: a new X-Men cartoon that's more updated for people like you (and many other ppl like me too). Just have patience! 😅

[@RoseGarden17]

I can agree with this for sure, I think the best of both worlds is to have this and a new team for younger fans

[@phabiorules]

I think another good idea would be to make an X-men team with half returning characters, and half new comers. That way it could ease into getting away from the 90’s without completely alienating fans

[@quentin5825]

X-men is also my favorite media franchise. Recently, seeing the fresh creative take of The Fantastic Four poster alongside a literally dusty trailer for Deadpool featuring an almost 25-year-old creative vision of Wolverine really drove home for me how much X-men needs to move on from that thing we loved 25 years ago. X-men as a franchise is about looking forward towards a bright future, not about always looking into the past for what was. We need new creative visions we can fall in love with all over again! I loved Jackman's take on the character and that era of the franchise, but I'm not nostalgic for it, and I'm eager to see a new creative vision for this amazing cast of characters.

[@ProjektTaku]

Honestly, and its not like you can't take things that worked from the previous versions and meld them into a new one, like the Pyro and Iceman contemporary/rivals thing from the movies and Pyro's descent into villainy could be explored in a new series.

[@jojojett]

spike in x-men evolution was an adaptation of the character Marrow, that in the comics are a woman with the same powers

[@parkerboy795]

He wasn't. The creators said they didn't know about the character. Unfortunately, because he had similar powers and got a similar storyline later, some fans hated him.

[@trealsteve]

@@parkerboy795The creators are lying. They literally had a series bible that was a do’s and dont’s for X-Men from 30 years of stories at that point. They just chose to create a throw away character on purpose to not use Storm properly as part of the young cast or even Bishop who would’ve fit perfectly. Dumbasses.

[@lowdog2940]

My kids actually binge watched the 90’s cartoon without me😂 they are really excited for this one.

[@Camo1177]

Every time a Reddit post comes up about ‘What Marvel show do you want/What is the X-Men project you want from the MCU?’ My answer is the same; Give us a show about the students being students. We don’t need the big names all the time, but make a show about a group of new students, you could have a couple bigger names like Kitty or Rogue, but the rest can be lesser known names or original mutants, and have the show be about school life with mutant powers. Have some of the big names like Scott, Jean and Logan show up every once and a while as teachers, but keep the focus on the students.

[@sybaritesphynx8057]

I mean they did try to do that with "New Mutants" ..but then it flopped and maybe they scrapped the idea of coming of age mutants stories. Hopefully Marvel with reconsider now that they have the rights coz I quite enjoyed the New Mutants.

[@mhawang8204]

@@sybaritesphynx8057 I mean I applaud Fox for trying something different, and I liked that New Mutants story in the comics, but I wish for an X mansion series that’s more light hearted, like those commercials with Evan’s Quicksilver.

[@mhawang8204]

Like Logan teaching Kitty how to drive in X-Men Evolution. They got the dynamic right 💯

[@trealsteve]

Booooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!

[@joestar2023]

I think you explained why I've never really been an X-Men fan perfectly. I'm Gen-Z and I never had an X-Men animated show to watch when I was younger. I only really knew about the X-Men as a kid because my mom liked the movies & original animated show.

[@JOVONO]

Both X-Men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men were made after Generation Z kids were being born Generation Z started in 1996 and X-Men Evolution came out in 2000 and Wolverine and the X-Men came out in 2009

[@phabiorules]

@@JOVONOI would say evolution was more for millennials than Gen -Z, as I remember watching it, but I don’t remember anything else about the show besides wolverines costume. Wolverine and the X-men was also on nicktoons network, so while it was for a gen z audience, it wasn’t as big of a deal as if it was on something like Cartoon Network.

[@jpyanity443]

⁠@@JOVONOsure but it’s based more on formative television years than just being born. The oldest of Gen Z would’ve been 4 years old when season 1 of Evolution came out. That’s barely the age to start forming memories let alone watch television shows that you’re nostalgic for 20 years later. Based on my own experience the earliest formative memories I have with television shows would be when I was 8-10 years old. So just barely old enough for the oldest Gen Z to have that experience with Wolverine and the X-Men. I’m not saying it’s not possible, despite myself being too young to watch it live, I have plenty of fond memories watching Evolution on Netflix. But when you get into streaming the debut years for the shows start to become irrelevant altogether.

[@PrettyPrincess9609]

@@JOVONOGen Z starts in 97 not 96.

[@JOVONO]

@@PrettyPrincess9609 depends where you get your information some say 1995, some say 96 and some say 97 so figured I’d go in the middle but anyway bit of a nitpick

[@damienkakoschke3099]

I think all the spikey mutants who turned up across TV, film and the Extatics comic were all based on Marrow, a female morlock who could generate extra bones from her body to use as weapons and was an X-Man for a while (mid 90's to late 90's)

[@benjamenwolfhope4888]

It’s about time I see some love for X-Men Evolution! I freaking loved that show!

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

THANK YOU for showing Evolution some love! I always felt like an outcast for enjoying it!

[@mhawang8204]

Really? That show was quite popular, was it not? Heck, it gave us X-23 ❤

[@trealsteve]

It definitely deserves love, just not the cap that it’s better than X-Men TAS.

[@anthonygreen2962]

The Gifted and Runaways are proofs that you can have different types of X-MEN and mutants characters that can work.

[@lukascruz4831]

If I remember, they both got canceled

[@RoadtoArkham]

Now that you bring it up, it strikes me that Generation Hope would be a great X-Men team for a cartoon. If you start in a post-Extinction world, you can have a team of young heroes entering a world where the dream is lost, everything seems hopeless, but then use that to show why you shouldn't give up. Using Hope as a lead could be great too, since she's a child born on the run and raised as a solider by Cable, meaning you can easily use her a cynical insert who learns to live up to her namesake.

[@CapLives]

I completely agree. Turtles and even Star Wars do this expertly. Every generation has a jumping on point. I watched X-Men: Evolution when I was really young, then Wolverine and the X-Men came out when I was 7. Those 2 shows solidified my love for Kitty and Kurt. I agree that other generations deserve that.

[@spiraljumper74]

Chamber is my favorite X-person, Justice for Chamber. Put him in more things.

[@n8tivesun673]

X-Men, not "X-Person" 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@spiraljumper74]

@@n8tivesun673 He wasn’t on the main X-Men team, I wasn’t doing a pc thing bro, don’t get upset.

[@trealsteve]

@@spiraljumper74I thought he was your favorite? He was on multiple main X-Men teams. Specifically, the start of the Chuck Austen era around the time of the first live action film. 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣💀

[@spiraljumper74]

@@trealsteve Is it like, a normal thing for you to be aware of *every* appearance of characters you like? There are a lot of X comics and I have other hobbies and interests. I probably will check out Chuck Austen’s run if it prominently features Chamber though, when I have time. So thanks for the recommendation, dick.

[@The_Phantasm]

Yes! I loved X-Men Evolution too!

[@jokester3076]

I think they should do a sequel series to Xmen TAS, call it “The NeXt Generation”. With characters who are the children of the old Xmen like Logan’s daughter X-23.

[@cabbagecart-u3x]

!!!YEA AND POLARIS!!! and cable and legion etc. cmon the maximoff twins are doing nooooothing. *pokes em with a stick*

[@legendswarble2845]

That's always been the core behind the scenes struggle with X-men, I think. We war between pushing for modern and contemporary heroes and our nostalgia for the classics. It's why there are so many diverse X-men, but we usually just get Scott, Jean, and Logan over and over again. Different eras balance it better or worse, but it's a real struggle.

[@Purcyless]

That version of Xavier dying is directly tied to Cassandra Nova in the Deadpool movie somehow.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

How?

[@Purcyless]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 He dies, some psychic dynamic between them both means she is now less restrained/gets more power, she does some villain shit, hadda yadda, Marvel movie. Basically I'm implying that the Kelsey Grammar as Beast verse and the '97 verse is the same, possibly even the Deadpool verse.

[@Guspool33]

Marvel has a kids show right now, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, that could ABSOLUTELY introduce mutant characters that they could probably make spin-offs of.

[@Marvelousgamer7697]

I love Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur! Honestly I think that can be a great Avenue to introduce a massive array of interesting Marvel characters to the new generation! I hope it can get a season 3 to possibly introduce even more interesting characters from the Marvel Mythos from widely known characters to deep cuts.

[@GoTenDu]

That's more for a preschool audience.

[@Taurusus]

I had just this discussion with my Comics friend, that it looks X-tremely '97. Cuz the thing is it's not '97 anymore - there's a lot of _amazing_ animated stuff around right now and I would have loved to see what contemporary X-Men could be. Like, is it actually aimed at Millenials? Cuz it doesn't look like it'll be _interesting_ for us - it looks outdated and young, but it sure as heck doesn't look like something the youth are gonna give a shit about. There's a part of me thinking there has to be a "twist" we haven't seen from the trailer, because if it's just played straight, I have no idea who exactly it's for.

[@chazjohannsen]

They could use the New Mutant characters from the recent movie as the core cast in a new show. As new students at Xavier’s school, they spend each episode under the tutelage of a legacy X-Man hero. It could be like Marvel’s own Young Justice.

[@Dethmothcreations]

I remember from the days of X-men evolution that Spike was supposed to be a take on Marrow

[@harryeast95]

I feel like there's a good chance the actual show is very much for kids... the advertising is just playing on nostalgia either because kids don't watch trailers or in hopes of attracting a larger audience.

[@phabiorules]

I could see it. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a show that gen X parents would watch with their kids.

[@TAJIG]

@@phabiorulesGen X parents children are millennials, this show is nostalgia bait for 90s babies

[@mait4051]

im excited for this but what we really need is a continuation of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes which never even got a finale before it was cancelled

[@sjwhite7138]

So glad you mentioned wolverine and the x-men, wish it had more

[@AndorRobotnik]

I am assuming that, as they adapt newer story arcs, new X-Men will be introduced hopefully being an entry point not only for new fans but for people who have been out of the loop

[@YawnBlue]

Born in 90 here. I appreciate TAS, and now that it's aired, I LOVED the first two episode of 97, but X-Men Evolution... if we ever get a continuation of that hoo boy I'd be all over that.

[@nameme7215]

I really wanted new mutants to work so bad

[@cruizlee214]

How cool would it be to have an X-Men series that has a two to five year time gap between seasons? Younger characters growing into leaders and leaders growing into mentors. The status quo of mutant prejudice and acceptance could meaningfully change. The time skip was one of the best things about Young Justice, and it would work even better with all the generations and team lineups of the X-Men.

[@LOLAxXxOZZY]

I'm a similar age to you and X-men Evolution was a major way that I connected with my younger sibling; we're 7 years apart in age and it was something that brought us together when most of our other interests varied wildly due to our ages. As much as I love reliving that nostalgia, I really wish my own kids had their own X-men (although my 7-year-old did enjoy the couple of episodes of Evolution that we watched together). I contrast that to things like Ninja Turtles, where I've been able to show them "my" Ninja Turtles and how they compare to "their" Ninja Turtles.

[@MaybeAnnatar]

I'm glad you're saying this, because I saw the trailer and went "It's super cool that people that grew up with the original series are getting a continuation but that original series was airing before I was born and ended when I was 1." Honestly I'm probably not going to watch X-Men '97 because I don't have any connection to that series.

[@JamesLawner]

There was also an X-Men anime and a Wolverine anime, have you ever seen them?

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Was the first one (X-Men anime) where despite Jean dying, Scott still feels like THE leader?

[@JamesLawner]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 Yeah, but I only watched like 3 eps, so idk how it plays out.

[@charlessmith9400]

They already have made Marvel cartoons for kids “Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends” & “Marvel Super Hero Adventures” Drastically different then what I grew up on

[@nathanl8622]

I don't disagree, but this is hardly the first time superhero media's been aimed at adults instead of the audience they were originally designed for. The show looks OK I guess, but as someone with zero nostalgia for the 97 X-Men I hope it at has greater ambitions than just being more of that thing you liked 25 years ago.

[@evans383]

Marrow...also a Morlock, also had a crush on Cannonball

[@VHSMikey]

Generational heroes is the best way, new and old characters in a lore rich world you can watch with your kids.

[@CamPlays355]

Im 18 I grew up with the mcu and wolverine i got into x men the animated series after my uncle gave me his old x men comics finisged it a month or 2 ago loved it personally this couldnt have been better timed

[@Geo_Was_Here]

I don't see a lot of people online who share my sentiments on X-Men: Evolution. I don't have a platform like others, but my idea has always been that the MCU movies should really try to emulate the beats that X-Men: Evo hit. They're in a high school living in Xavier's solely for their powers.. They are actual teens learning how to grow into adults as well as mutant superheroes. I do believe it's similar to what you're saying about the new animated X-Men team, and I agree. I suppose if X-Men '97 works Disney can make a 2000's New Mutants TV series, a 2010s Generation X/Hellions TV series and so on.. but when it comes to the MCU I believe your idea for a new animated show is the basis.

[@federicomarintuc]

Your proposal seems a lot like what Prodigy did for Star Trek

[@gregorybaker5558]

A few points: 1. I think the creators/cast of X-Men the Animated Series have been trying for at least 10 years to get the band back together, so it wasn’t like Disney thought this up from scratch. 2. As someone who thinks that Scott and Jean at at the center of the X-Men, there have never been any movies that have gotten them right. I would rather tell the story as them as teenagers than kick off with all the more well known characters as stodgy adults. 3. That being said, when I took my 16 year old son and his friends to see Five Nights at Freddy’s, it was one of the more electric experiences I have had at the movies for a long time, because this was THEIR story with characters designed for them, not rehashes of their parents or grandparents favorite characters. There is a lot of missed potential when every thing is a reboot/remake/reimagining.

[@smetzy3414]

I would love to be able sit down every Saturday morning and watch a kid-centric X-men cartoon.

[@darkseid1975]

The "Academy" idea reminds me of the quote "The best Weird Al album is the one that came out when you were 12."

[@antoniocatorce]

Wasn't that weird dancing thing a scene by scene recreation of that dancing scene from Buffy?

[@raulzavala9061]

God I wish it was 1992 again when the only reviews were found in Comics Scene or Wizard magazine and they were brief and weren't lambasting every little detail, just grow the hell up people!!!

[@vincentbrown6464]

im at the 5 min mark and i have no idea what this video is about

[@ghostygirl2395]

As a person who has not broken two decades of life yet, I am absolutely excited for this series! I watched through the original show on disney plus a while back and really loved it, and now i'm super excited to see more animated X-men. The show wasn't airing while I was a little kid, but I wouldn't have watched it back then anyway. I was a MLP kid. It feels like I've been watching it since then, though- that trailer music gave me absolute chills!

[@TheMokeleMbembe]

"the X-Men that are YOUR X-Men --" this sounds very similar to how one determines which Star Trek show is 'theirs'

[@vortecmacs]

“They did the Craft” a very 90s movie.

[@MalzraAirwynn]

I don't follow the comics but one thing I liked about Evolution was it focused more on the school life. While Jubilee is a teen in the original cartoon, and it was explicitly stated to BE a school, I don't recall ever really seeing it function AS a school or seeing much of them teaching mutants etc.

[@NybergCarl]

There's the thesis that the Avengers are ultimately a conservative force fighting for a return to normalcy. The only injustices they deal with are the ones that have "supernatural" origins. Otherwise, the Avengers characters are sanguine and passive about human-on-human injustice. Having a younger version of the X-Men point out that powers should be used to address human-on-human injustices would make the MCU more relevant and more interesting.

[@phabiorules]

I think it would be a good idea, so long as they don’t just portray it as “X-men good, avengers bad” and point out things like how Captain America winter soldier was entirely caused by Steve protesting government surveillance.

[@NybergCarl]

@@phabiorules The Avengers aren't a monolith. And the X-Men are going to be quite diverse too.

[@blotcho84]

3:31 The dancing scene was taken from Buffy the Vampire Slayer actually - you can compare it shot for shot to a scene where Buffy is dancing all flirty with Faith

[@MkR2398]

Honestly, do what Evolution did but better in the sense of Xavier's first class of Scott/Jean/the others are teachers, maybe some of the Giant Sized X-Men are teachers as well. Basically, the X-Men that get all the media attention and merch are put as mentors/sidelined so newer/lesser known mutants can take center stage. Let Kitty Pryde be a main player in an X-team alongside some of the New Mutants crew as the elder X-Men show them the ropes in Xavier's School and over comm links/Jean's mental links on the field. Maybe Armor can be a main player too or Negasonic, definitely Pixie and the twins that Gwen uses, there's alot of stories that can be told with them and room for alot of quality stories as well

[@angrylittlenobody6379]

The trick to it that's easier to do in comics than movies is have multiple titles running at once. Scott and Jean and Emma and the grown ups do t just become teachers when academy X launches. They have a concurrent title telling their story as well as being present in the younger kids story.

[@westcoastavenger]

You make a good point. However, I think bringing back us olds (people that grew up with this show) is the MCUs way to bridge the gap and get us excited for the X-Men and bring our kids. Those of us in our late 30s/early 40s are the ones with 10+ year olds that they’re targeting to have watch together.

[@booksvsmovies]

As someone who was recently (ish) a teenager there's nothing less cool to pre-teens and teenagers than the things their parents like. Because of that its very difficult to make something that equally appeals to those two demographics.

[@aaronhoosiershrm-cpphr8362]

How can you have a problem with a show that hasn't even come out yet.

[@chrisblake4198]

I read the comics in the late 80s early 90s and loved most of the books, but Excalibur's initial run was really my jam. It was weird, the art was fantastic, and Nightcrawler and Kitty Pryde were front and center without most of the typical X-Men baggage.

[@Swenglish]

One thing they could do is just let time pass at an accelerated rate in X-Men '97 so that it nearly catches up to the present and then do a TNG.

[@Jilluminum]

When I first heard about this project that was kind of what I was expecting them to do

[@DaxSchaffer]

New Mutants should have been a new animated series for Gen Z, not a gritty, dark, horror themed YA romance film that almost no one saw due to poor marketing and studio monopoly buyout shenanigans.

[@shadowseeker97]

Its funny i grew up with the fox era x men so the xmen 97 crew is more or less my xmen despite me being born more then a decade after their introductions.

[@CallumQuinnCreates]

X-Men Evolution was my introduction to the franchise proper as well!

[@thorinwoods2642]

I’m excited for the spin offs from this series: X-Factor Investigation, X-Force, New Mutants, Excalibur, and Alpha Flight would be really cool.

[@redsoxu571]

X-Men: The Animates Series is how you do an ideal "faithful" adaptation. The melodrama and near-direct lifting of famous stories from the comics, the characters basically being the best refined versions of themselves (Beast in the series was particularly fantastic), and even the incredible use of sound to bring it all to life helped cover the poor animation (though not the visual character design) and very very limited ability to show combat thanks to 1990s cartoon fighting restrictions. X-Men Evolution is how you take an IP and make a high-quality, entertaining adaptation of its own. It had an angle (X-Men with most of the heroes and villains going to school together) that did not keep it from staying sufficiently true to the comics to be recognizable. It really didn't mess any characters up: mature high-schooler Cyclops, a Jean Grey who fittingly got to be one of the most powerful characters in the series (after TAS badly underpowered her), goth Rogue, bubbly Nightcrawler, a featured and ditzy Shadowcat, etc. TAS will always win for me as one of the best animated series I've ever enjoyed - the best "previously" screen ever, the theme song, the use of music in general, and most importantly just how they gave us the "best" version of so many characters. But, as someone who usually is not fond of adaptations that depart too far from the source material, I'll admit that Evolution really did things right!

[@sniktheadthemunki2709]

So my background(before you read what I'm about say), is that I'm a 41 year old X-Men obsessive thats been reading since I was 6. Started reading X-Men Classic before reading the modern stuff and it was a year before he cartoon dropped(perfect firestorm). I agree with everything you've said here... I know I'm in the minority saying that I love Teen Titans Go!, and maaaan when I tell you what I wouldn't give to have a silly irrelevant cartoon like that that used X-men characters, I mean it. Of course I still want a more show aimed at a more mature audience, but I'm excited at the idea of having all kinds of X-Men content in the near future.

[@jermalbaskerville4220]

New mutants are a great way to do that. They already got sunspot and we seen other new mutants in x- men 97 already.

[@jaymesEo6]

The dance scene was from Buffy you claud lol But seriously put some respect on the most iconic two lady dance scene in television history's name! 😂

[@devegas4910]

I think what would be a nice idea is making an X-Men: Unlimited series that works in the same vein as Justice League Unlimited worked. We can start where we already see the familiar characters and as the series goes on, we get regular features of the characters that are still being introduced to the wider audience and allow an opportunity to create one (or a few) spinoff series that focuses more on those additional characters.

[@kyleharlan100]

My counterpoint is that me and a LOT of X-Men fans got into the X-Men from the 90s animated series and the Jim Lee run, which did NOT do what X-Men Evolution did to connect with kids. In the 90s the X-Men were all adults except for Jubilee, and it was melodramatic as hell. As kids at the time, it FELT like more grown up storytelling (less so in retrospect, obviously) and we were excited by that element of it. It didn't FEEL like kiddy stuff. If it worked the first time, I don't see why it wouldn't work now.

[@ItsTheFizz]

Pretty sure Spike was a rework of Marrow

[@TheBrotherGrim]

I never really though about it that way regarding the teams. The animated series and trading cards/ comics borrowed from my uncle cemented a love for a lot of the classic lineup, but I was just out of high-school when I started with the New X-Men / Academy X stories and they're definitely among my favorites. All the stuff with my boys Glob and Beak in the B class was just so damn good, and damn did Beak come in clutch during Exiles, saving the freakin multiverse just by being a stand-up cool dude.

[@_xadrnx_6371]

oh You're so right I love the Academy X students and the new X-men, I miss having Julian and Surge

[@UltimateBurstLP]

This video actually made me recognize that, as a kid born in 2000 growing up in the 2010s, I did not have an x-men team for the most part. I didn’t get into comics until later in life but I loved superheroes like Batman, Spider-Man and Superman, largely because they were getting movies and TV shows all the time that I loved. There wasn’t an ongoing X-Men show with that same level and the movies never felt like they were for me, so I kind of missed out on falling in love with a specific generation of the team, and to this day it’s been harder for me to connect with the X-Men because I don’t have a basis for which characters I like or relate to. That’s a really interesting point and I think it’s super true

[@airthrowDBT]

Id love to see some Generation X appearances! Fun fact: there was a one off live action Generation X tv show that never went anywhere

[@mikeychainsaw9760]

Whenever X-men hit the big screen again it as to start with the original cast not new characters

[@Brodyody]

The other thing that feels like a big miss now, is that this series is not being used as a testing ground for the future movie. A new X-Men show would have been the perfect place to test new ideas, plant seeds, to make sure they stick the landing in live action.

[@PBGamer03]

Not really on topic but i just wanna share how excited i am whenever you drop a video. Even when i flat out disagree w what youre saying i still finish every video like “damn thats some high quality finger lickin youtube” Thanks for all the content Nando :)

[@loglorn]

I am not a big X Men reader, but i read Avengers Academy when i was in highschool and i am now infinitely attached to a bunch of really deep cut characters

[@shaunwashington9122]

I am a 80’s kid & grew up on all X-Men & X affiliated comics & the original X-Men Animated series which I cherished. It took a while but I eventually enjoyed X-Men Evolution as well. Especially the later seasons. It was a different interpretation which I learned to appreciate. Wolverine & the X-Men was ok. I’m just not a fan of Wolverine leading the X-Men ( I know why they did it) & I felt this would’ve been a great transition with Xavier missing, Jean presumably dead for Cyclops & Emma to lead the team. I do wish we would’ve gotten a 2nd season of that. Nostalgia is good but not at the expense of being antiquated. I say all of this to say that instead of bringing back an old series (which I loved) I wished they would’ve went down a similar path that Young Justice did & called it New X-Men similar to the comics. Have the New X-men students go out on covert missions maybe with a different X-men advisor from time to time. (Not every episode) That way you can get some insight from the new team’s perspective & history of the X-Men advisor to keep old fans engaged as well. Cyclops & Emma Frost as Headmaster & Headmistress Main instructors: Magneto, Storm, Rogue, Beast, Dani Moonstone, Angel, Gambit, IceMan, Bishop, Wolverine (Any X-Men) Have already established Teams: X-Force, X-Factor & Excalibur, Generation X Special Episodes Guest Instructors: Moira Mctaggert, Kitty Pride & Nightcrawler (reasoning because they are on Excalibur) Cannonball (X-Force) Banshee (Gen X) New X-Men Team 1st season X-23, Hellion, Surge, Prodigy, Rockslide, Dust, Mercury, Elixir 2nd Season Team (Expand roster examples) Anole, Wind Dancer, Icarus (Jay Guthrie) Honey Badger/Scout, Wither, Oya, Quentin Quire This way you’re bringing in new fans with a new young X-Men team & new stories that can be modernized as well as drawing & keeping older fans interested with the characters we grew up on. Flashback scenes can be used for teaching or if certain students want to learn about specific characters backgrounds & X-Men histories. That way the same stories aren’t being recycled repeatedly. (Phoenix saga, Wolverine’s origin for example)The “New X-Men” can be the bridge to bringing all generations together.