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Professor Paul Moon on the origins of the name ‘Aotearoa’

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Sean Plunket speaks with Paul Moon on The Platform.
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@kevinbannister2356
@kevinbannister2356 Жыл бұрын
Thankyou Sean for bringing in Professor Paul Moon for the history lesson on the name Aotearoa. All the same the government & MSM have no right just pushing the name onto us without the expressed result of a referendum to let the people decide.
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
With respect bro. No one's pushing anyone. Use it or don't use it - your choice. If and when it comes to a time when the name Aotearoa becomes such an issue that many people start using it most of the time and lobbyists call for it to become official then at the risk of losing the next election you can be sure no government will be brave enough to change it without a referendum. All the same it's pretty weird that we call our country after a little known and relatively boring and small, insignificant province on the other side of the world in the south of the Netherlands which incidentally recently changed it's name from Holland to The Netherlands. Also, Iran used to be called Persia, Sri Lanka used to be called Ceylon, Maynamar used to be called Burma and Turkey recently changed its name to Turkeye (pronounced Turkey-ay) and the sky didn't fall in so is it such a big deal?
@andreatodd3095
@andreatodd3095 Жыл бұрын
While I can appreciate most regions having Maori names it's always going to be New Zealand for me.
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
@@andreatodd3095 Good for you sister. Do what your heart tells you. For me it's Aotearoa-New Zealand and I'll be quite happy if one day (probably long after I'm dead) it's just Aotearoa. But I respect , and I think everyone else should respect your personal decision to call our motu what you like. 🙂
@djhemirukahemisphere8893
@djhemirukahemisphere8893 Жыл бұрын
@@andreatodd3095 that's a Dutch name - how irrelevant to the first people and the 2nd peoples of this nation
@carolechapman7857
@carolechapman7857 Жыл бұрын
Thing is tho … our country has built up its name and reputation as New Zealand…. the name that is respected around the world . I know other countries have changed their names … Burma for example…. I always found it confusing when names are changed!
@bmcgill6493
@bmcgill6493 Жыл бұрын
Yes we must be consulted on the name of our country. My vote though is, New Zealand.
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
No need for consultation (unless of course you are one of those insecure people who demand to be consulted about whether or not we need to have a consultation about being consulted)- you are already totally free to call it what you like and you are consulted every three years about who you want for local and central government anyway.. What's your problem?
@beemakka
@beemakka Жыл бұрын
We held a referendum on the flag,why not the country's name? No need for the smarty pants consultation comment.
@chaquisa1
@chaquisa1 3 ай бұрын
@@NewZman23 Obvious you have Maori blood otherwise you would stand by our pioneering heritage ,It was the Europeans who built this country to where it is now so whats your problem ?
@michaelfasher
@michaelfasher Жыл бұрын
I'm a New Zealander and think New Zealand is by far the best and most relevant name.
@masksarelies391
@masksarelies391 Жыл бұрын
Imagine trying to call yourself an Aoteoroan.
@merledoughty5787
@merledoughty5787 Жыл бұрын
Yes When Abel tasman came to this country and named this country it was New Sealand
@rjjames9336
@rjjames9336 9 ай бұрын
@@merledoughty5787 when maori came here they named it Aotearoa, so whats your point?
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Damn, you find it that hard to pronounce "Aotearoa" correctly? Useless
@astondriver
@astondriver 7 ай бұрын
@@rjjames9336 nope they did not, thats all Kupe legend. It was called Nu Tiriani by Maori chiefs when they signed the Treaty of Waitangi. Only the South Island was named Aotearoa
@markbenge7288
@markbenge7288 2 жыл бұрын
Keep the name that is internationally recognised. New Zealand. 🇳🇿NZ
@andreatodd3095
@andreatodd3095 Жыл бұрын
Some people especially in parts of America didn't know where NZ is .....about 20 yrs ago, so Aotearoa is really going to confuse them.
@brutallyremastered4255
@brutallyremastered4255 Жыл бұрын
@@andreatodd3095 Those people are going to be terminally confused. Hardly worth mentioning!
@kiwigrunt330
@kiwigrunt330 Жыл бұрын
@@andreatodd3095 Most Americans don't know where America is.
@red2775
@red2775 Жыл бұрын
​@@kiwigrunt330 true 🤣🤣🤣
@halbellows8578
@halbellows8578 Жыл бұрын
@@kiwigrunt330 Most Americans don't know the rest of the world exists.
@FinnDelMundoTravel
@FinnDelMundoTravel Жыл бұрын
We are living in undemocratic times. This won’t play out well if New Zealand is dropped without our consent.
@haroldgodwinson832
@haroldgodwinson832 Жыл бұрын
I don't think this is so much about the name as it is the realization that certain individuals, essentially a small group of 'in-crowd' people, decided that their ideological agenda was more important than the will of the general population. In short, they decided that a name change would simply be imposed upon the general population, whether they liked it or not. Not exactly what I'd call 'democratic' but then maybe I'm just old fashioned.
@standbytogo123
@standbytogo123 Жыл бұрын
'Their ideological agenda was more important than the will of the general population'. Sounds like several Governments we have had over the past 40 Years.
@planespotter4494
@planespotter4494 Жыл бұрын
I never voted for a New Seeland from Statenland in the Netherlands either. How did The Dutch impose this crazy name on our country?
@haroldgodwinson832
@haroldgodwinson832 Жыл бұрын
@@planespotter4494 So, if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is; because we didn't get to vote on the name advanced by the first European to discover New Zealand back in 1642, we shouldn't get to vote on a name change today, in 2023? Seriously? You do understand that, at least in theory, we live in a constitutional democracy he in NZ, or so we're told?
@michaelfasher
@michaelfasher Жыл бұрын
@@planespotter4494 Its the most relevant name.
@strangecustoms8486
@strangecustoms8486 Жыл бұрын
@@planespotter4494 duh probably because you were not here when it got named
@slegin
@slegin Жыл бұрын
It's not just Aoeteora. Word by word our language is being replaced. On MSM they do not use the words 'work' or 'children' any more, or at most rarely there are others words that a disappearing but these two seem to have been permanently replaced in MSM. If I were to watch the news on Maori TV do they interchange English words? No! All for keeping Maori language and culture alive but does it need to come at the expense of NZ culture which is not English or European, anyone who has spent any time overseas can attest to that. For 150+ year we evolved a culture that was a hybrid European/Polynesian culture and it worked but for the the last 20 or so years the European aspect of our culture is being intentionally and maliciously eradicated.
@michaelstanley8209
@michaelstanley8209 Жыл бұрын
Could not agree more. It makes it very hard to communicate with the outside world if they don’t know what we are saying
@KG-ui7ji
@KG-ui7ji Жыл бұрын
Its the slippery slope to cogovernance!
@slegin
@slegin Жыл бұрын
@@KG-ui7ji not sure it's as subtle as a slippery slope. feels like we are being told we will accept co-governance and be happy, no option or say for us!
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 10 ай бұрын
Well said, they are replacing our language not cool many people are offended, maori news has no English translation, anything Colonial translated to maori is either made up or just an English word spelt and spoken incorrectly. Why change Monday to Mane?
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Exactly what part of the European side is preferable?
@greglockyer4335
@greglockyer4335 Жыл бұрын
New Zealand is the name of the country I was born in New Zealand is a democracy In democracy we should have a Vote on the name of our country I will always use The Name New Zealand as my birth country 100 %
@1Ma9iN8tive
@1Ma9iN8tive Жыл бұрын
Aotearoa New Zealand has never been a true Democracy since the day British Military began the illegal corporate take over of Aotearoa Māori economy in 1860. Te Tiriti o Waitangi gives you a right to call this land what you like … but your racist insistence NOT to acknowledge Aotearoa will always be your legacy.
@williamdaniel2827
@williamdaniel2827 Жыл бұрын
for me, i was born on an island named Te Wai Pounamu or South Island. I'm quite sure that i was not born in any country named Aotearoa. Though i do find the name somewhat appealing.
@michaelfasher
@michaelfasher Жыл бұрын
@@1Ma9iN8tive The colonists built this country, there was no country before they built it.
@drinkingup2157
@drinkingup2157 Жыл бұрын
There is a significant contradiction in your argument there. You promote the role of democracy and suggest we should have a vote on the name. But then say you will always use the name New Zealand despite what decision the vote may bring.
@greglockyer4335
@greglockyer4335 Жыл бұрын
@@drinkingup2157 There is no Contradiction. As I said New Zealand is a Democracy and we should have a Vote on any name change CLEARLY!!!!!!! There will never be any Vote as New Zealand is and has only Puppet Governments to the WEF NNP 4th Reich 💯% Until a Vote happens which again will never happen I will always Call my birth Country New Zealand. Complying to WOKE Bullshit is your choice do not push it upon me!!!
@argustuft114
@argustuft114 2 жыл бұрын
New Zealand is known around the world as it's name/title not the 'other' north island name.This is coercion,high jacking by activist,woke media,woke govt.New Zealand is the name,plus it needs to be public voters who decide a change,not some woke, totalitarian govt,Maori activist fiddling the ' books',by force
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
My goodness, you do love those big fancy reactionary words, especially the word "woke". How very woke. And also. by the way obviously you don't realise that these days it's very woke to be anti-woke. So touché bro. 🙂BTW, who said there would be force, coercion, hijacking and fiddling of the books and who said there wouldn't be a public vote? I'd be interested to know. Maybe it's a conspiracy OMG!! And also BTW, many countries, cities and towns have changed names over the centuries; what's the big deal?
@daddybob6096
@daddybob6096 Жыл бұрын
@@NewZman23 What about those of us who are born here who are not Maori. Do we not have a say in what we call the country we are born in. What about having a public referendum on this issue? I only know my country as New Zealand, and in my travels, abroad, people overseas know this country as New Zealand, never heard of any other name. Beside's ao tea roa is not a name that even NZ born citizens are able to pronounce.
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
@@daddybob6096 what about you? If there's a referendum you can vote if you want to. But unlike Australia we won't force you to vote. Will that make you happy? I am certain that if there are enough people who call for a name change no government will be brave enough to just change it without a binding referendum. And if most people vote for a change, then you will still have a choice of two names like Aoraki-Mt Cook, Tamaki Makaurau-Auckland, Whanganui a Tara-Wellington everyone will have a choice of which name they use. If they want to use one, they can, if they want to use both they can. So don't worry bro, don't panic, no one is trying to take away your rights (as some people seem to mistakenly think these days). Democracy and the power of the people still rules in Aotearoa New Zealand. 😀
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
@@daddybob6096 Kia ora and apologies if you're offended. No offense intended; my comments were tongue in cheek and in light vein. Your experience 4 years ago sounds very unpleasant and unfortunate. I can only suggest you don't let one incident like this dampen your enthusiasm for greeting someone in Te Reo Maori. Who knows what his reason was for disrespecting you; maybe he had had previous bad experiences with Pakeha disrespecting him; maybe he had mental health problems; maybe he was just not a very nice Maori person. Let’s not judge a whole race on one person’s behaviour. Not all Maori are good people; not all are bad.(Ditto for Pakeha) Re your age, you've got 9 years on me brother and great to hear you love walking. So do I. I don't support the ridiculous and un-workable idea of separatism (aka apartheid) and the vast majority of Maori don't either. I'm not sure why you use, (in my opinion) the derogatory term "you people". Are you referring to every Maori person or me personally? Either way I actually find it has no positive connotations and should be avoided. I'm almost 100% certain that most if not all Maori, just want to live a happy, peaceful and harmonious life like you do. You ask: “do you want to fight us, the majority of NZ citizens”? Perhaps Maori could have asked James Cook and the early colonial government and settlers the same question. But perhaps another way of looking at it is through the eyes and hearts of the people who were originally “the majority of NZ citizens”- who then over 150 years or so saw their land confiscated, their people devastated by diseases brought in by the colonial settlers and their society disenfranchised and marginalised - (bearing in mind that it wasn’t then known to the tangata whenua as “New Zealand” - and it’s not really relevant at this stage of our conversation as to what it was or is called). Looking at it from a Maori point of view can bring a different and relevant perspective. But I do believe that successive NZ Governments over the past 150-something years have behaved badly towards the tangata whenua, especially with regards to disrespecting and dishonouring the Treaty of Waitangi which was signed in good faith by the chiefs of most (but not all iwi). If you haven’t already, may I suggest you do some research on the history of the English version of the treaty to find out exactly what was promised (and written into the treaty) by the colonial powers and then find a contemporary English translation of the te reo Maori version to find out which clauses have been systematically disregarded and blatantly dishonoured in the years since it was signed. It’s quite enlightening in my opinion. It may also be beneficial for you to contact some of the kaumatua, the Maori elders in your area to have an open and frank discussion on the treaty and the effects that dishonouring it still has on Maori people today. Perhaps you may see things in a different light. Perhaps you won’t. While I don’t believe in the idea of the “sins of our fathers” being blamed on today’s generation, I do believe NZ society today owes it to the tangata whenua to address the many wrongs committed against many innocent individual Maori people and many Maori tribes and accept that we need to make amends (whether monetary or otherwise) for these past wrong-doings. In my opinion compromise is needed on both sides (as happened in the treaty of Waitangi) and both sides need to accept that neither side is all right or all wrong or all good or all bad. Both sides can teach each other valuable lessons; both sides can learn from our past common history and use those lessons to the advantage of all New Zealand citizens today. Kudos to the members (both Maori and Pakeha) of recent governments for already doing this, but the process is not yet complete. Let’s just say it’s a work in progress or Rome wasn’t built in a day. Re the infrastructure you refer to, I’m quite aware that it may have been designed by Pommie immigrants (although it wasn’t really needed before they arrived) but it wasn’t all built by Pakeha hands, just as the battles of the Boer war, WW1 & 2 and Korea and Vietnam weren’t all fought by Pakeha hands. I think we need to remember that we (Europeans, Maori, Asians, Arabs and Jews) have previously worked and lived harmoniously together and I believe we can still do that. United we stand, divided we fall. By the way, although I’m not Christian thank you for your blessing and may your God also bless you. I’m of English and German descent with no direct connection to any Maori iwi (except in spirit). I speak very little te reo, but wish I could speak more - (it’s a work in progress). Nga mihi nui, kia ora and kia kaha
@daddybob6096
@daddybob6096 Жыл бұрын
@@NewZman23 Thankyou Sir.
@lesterwyoung
@lesterwyoung Жыл бұрын
Sean, Please don't interrupt your guests!
@kiwigrunt330
@kiwigrunt330 Жыл бұрын
He is very annoying in this regard.
@graemelee5701
@graemelee5701 Жыл бұрын
The use of written English international language that has assisted the first human settlers in to these islands seems to have worked quite well.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
We use the Latin Alphabet. Not the English
@delanielockhart9380
@delanielockhart9380 Жыл бұрын
I will always be a Kiwi from New Zealand.
@Starlight-mp4pk
@Starlight-mp4pk 11 ай бұрын
Are you a bird or 🥝 ? I’m a New Zealander.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
​@@Starlight-mp4pkew
@peterthepakeha2799
@peterthepakeha2799 2 жыл бұрын
Keep it New Zealand....don't give in to the Marxists.
@stephenlennon7369
@stephenlennon7369 2 жыл бұрын
We're not communist silly bigoted pakeha
@Anonymous-c4p
@Anonymous-c4p 2 жыл бұрын
Jew Zealand springs to mind ☝🏻😖
@peterthepakeha2799
@peterthepakeha2799 Жыл бұрын
@richardrei4341 ....don't know..strange times indeed
@pgreen8531
@pgreen8531 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely right
@johnjones4129
@johnjones4129 Жыл бұрын
Articles from particularly Stuff and RNZ increasingly refer to New Zealand as Aotearoa ( spell check needed)and occasionally as Aotearoa / New Zealand . Rarely as simply New Zealand . I agree that the MSM are pushing this, but wonder at their agenda. Often an academic, scientist or some expert is quoted as using Aotearoa in an interview when referring to New Zealand and I find it hard to believe that is what they actually said. I suspect the editor has been at work here. There is also a move to use Māori names instead of the English name . Otautahi is often used in newspaper articles and council literature instead of Christchurch..which I find personally annoying when it is used alone or as Otautahi/ Christchurch. Otautahi originally applied to a tiny seasonal settlement by the Avon river around Kilmore Street. On TV1 weather news some presenters are using Māori names for the cities such as Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. That would be fine if the English name was said first and it’s Māori name second, but it is the practice to do the reverse. To me this all sounds like indoctrination.
@eeeaten
@eeeaten Жыл бұрын
sounds to me like respect for the original names.
@johnburnett3942
@johnburnett3942 Жыл бұрын
Kindly let's keep the same name. New Zealand. Regards John.
@doekle-janhaisma3508
@doekle-janhaisma3508 Жыл бұрын
Hey Sean coming from a seafarers prospective when you see clouds at see that remain stationary it means there is land below it, looking at the geography logic would tell me this would probably be south island. In the Netherlands we have a province called Zeeland. Just stating a few facts do with it what you like. Anyway I'm a huge fan of the platform love NZ have lived here for 22 years. Let's leave it as it is I say. I think there are other things to worry about in this country let's look after our sick and poor people properly. Healthcare and education I reckon. Ta Duke
@njd2342
@njd2342 Жыл бұрын
Ate-all-the-moa would be more apt?
@accessaryman
@accessaryman Жыл бұрын
the government and media needs to go with the majorities opinion, as the people vote the government and the media reports that , the media doesn't have any say in how people think or feel, they are there to report facts not there personal feelings
@accessaryman
@accessaryman Жыл бұрын
any important decisions such as these should always go to a referendum, that way it stops all arguments
@les8518
@les8518 Жыл бұрын
Let stay as New Zealand. End of story.
@djhemirukahemisphere8893
@djhemirukahemisphere8893 Жыл бұрын
@@les8518we didn't have a referendum to use a Dutch name (new zealand) to rename an island that was already inhabited - so why is your opinion valid?
@briankemp2116
@briankemp2116 Жыл бұрын
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 even your great great granddaddy wasn’t even a wet dream then , so how the hell was anyone going to ask you. Now you are a piddly percentage of the population, so not that important.
@kyoteybear9439
@kyoteybear9439 Жыл бұрын
​@@djhemirukahemisphere8893because at the time the original inhabitants had been boiled up with some water cress and puha by Maori. So no one can ask them what they prefer. Maori fault no one else's.
@djhemirukahemisphere8893
@djhemirukahemisphere8893 Жыл бұрын
@@kyoteybear9439 that's nonsense. All of the inhabitants here are from the same cultural lineage. They all traveresed the Pacific ocean Tonga, Samoa, Hawaii, Rarotonga - they are all the Same people Maori included.
@alisonbethell3172
@alisonbethell3172 Жыл бұрын
"Let's put a piece of nonsense into perspective with a narrative that was shared on another page. New Zealand is NOT Aotearoa. Pre-1840 the Maoris did not have a name for the whole of New Zealand as they had no sense of a Maori nation - they were¬ just separate warring-with-one-another tribes. In 1643 the country was named New Zealand by the States-General (Parliament) of Holland and this has been its name for 370 years. Aotearoa was a fictitious name for New Zealand invented only in 1890 when S. Percy Smith (Stephenson Percy Smith, Colonial subject was a New Zealand ethnologist and surveyor) used it as a make-up name for the whole country in his fictional story of Kupe. Aotearoa does not appear in the Treaty of Waitangi. From 1840, the signing of the Treaty up until 1890 the name Aotearoa DID NOT exist. The name only begun to appear after the 1900’s with greater frequency following S. Percy Smith’s fictional story and its use in of course you guessed it the MEDIA. The Aotearoa name, a name ‘taken’ from Colonial creation not of Maori origin has been built on factual inaccuracy, and propaganda in an attempt to give it legitimacy within a culture that historically ‘takes’ without due process or consideration for the legality. To think the so-called Maori name for New Zealand was created by a European is hysterical - oh the irony! So much so that the Maori, Major Companies and Corporations, and the Government, should pay historic royalties to S. Percy Smith’s family for such use as the name is NOT authentic nor originates from the Maori Language. It is probably now the most commercialized name in New Zealand that originates from S. Percy Smith. The modern interpretation or meaning of this fictional name sounds more like a coffee - cloud white long, than a legitimate name for an country. Nor do I believe that legal appropriation was sort for the use of that name from S. Percy Smith’s estate or property. In future, ask companies (eg, Media, Telecommunications and the Government) whether they have paid royalties for the use of such a European derived name, if not then use our Official Name - New Zealand! It would be a real laugh if the Percy family claimed Royalties from all those folk and the media, who use the "A......a" term, for every time the word was used."
@jimcoats3531
@jimcoats3531 2 жыл бұрын
Ask us first
@stephenlennon7369
@stephenlennon7369 2 жыл бұрын
For what?
@phonkstanate
@phonkstanate 2 жыл бұрын
Nah you didnt ask Maori about NZ so the next generation will be inclusively Aotearoa not selfish colonial NZ, once you old racists die out the next generation will be Aotearoa, you cant stop change
@southpacific222
@southpacific222 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't asking you Stephen he was asking New Zealanders. You excluded yourself from the club.
@stephenlennon7369
@stephenlennon7369 2 жыл бұрын
@@southpacific222 keep of the meth pipe 😆 lol you're not of sound mind
@carolinepersson3512
@carolinepersson3512 11 ай бұрын
Firstly New Zealand, and if they need to throw Aotearoa in the mix, then it should come after New Zealand.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Other way around lady. Only natural it goes in chronological order
@shanemorrison9002
@shanemorrison9002 Жыл бұрын
NZ is known to the world 🌍 Aotearoa is known to us kiwis, leave it there,If we choose to use either as people who live on the land that's up to us.
@Starlight-mp4pk
@Starlight-mp4pk 11 ай бұрын
“Us kiwis” - birds don’t care and 🥝 are not sentient beings.
@speeddemon9555
@speeddemon9555 Жыл бұрын
not one serviceman, white, Maori, or otherwise has died fighting for Aotearoa, changing New Zealand's name would be sacrilege.
@brutallyremastered4255
@brutallyremastered4255 Жыл бұрын
That’s absurd arrogance and sentimentality, a deadly combination.
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
oh ffs...sacrilege? Do you even know the real meaning of that word or are you just copying some one else who said that and who is as deluded as you?
@speeddemon9555
@speeddemon9555 Жыл бұрын
@@NewZman23 yes i do, and no i am not, as for changing N.Zs name to Aotearoa, the word Aotearoa only includes the north island ffs.
@Starlight-mp4pk
@Starlight-mp4pk 11 ай бұрын
Please don’t call people “pakeha”. I’m a New Zealand European and proud of it.
@speeddemon9555
@speeddemon9555 11 ай бұрын
@@Starlight-mp4pk actually, i agree with your sentiment, so, i altered my post, cheers.
@southpacific222
@southpacific222 2 жыл бұрын
Did you know Hone Heke cut down the flag poll because he was upset that taxes were being imposed on goods that people were buying from trading ships coming to Port, he believed he shouldn't have to pay tax so he kept cutting down the flag poll in protest and he flew the the American flag over his head in the Harbour because he admired Americans anti tax stance. It worked he got an exemption from having to pay tax on the goods. Good on him.
@argustuft114
@argustuft114 2 жыл бұрын
He'd love petrol taxes,ACC levies,GST,high tax rate,plus numerous other ways the govt picks our pockets, sometimes before it reaches out pockets,leeches,criminal cadre,that they are.
@Alakwe
@Alakwe 2 жыл бұрын
@@argustuft114 a
@Anonymous-c4p
@Anonymous-c4p 2 жыл бұрын
And now we got Hone Hawera! 🤷‍♂️
@argustuft114
@argustuft114 2 жыл бұрын
America would have invaded ,like Hawaii,then let the locals get it back ,with no hope,no TOW,no gravy train,just take,take,not,give,give,like here.We,need a Hone here now,for the bunch of Lemmings/sheeple who inhabit our voters at present.In,the meantime most kiwis just roll over,in apathy.
@aperaruapeeta4309
@aperaruapeeta4309 2 жыл бұрын
Why should he pay tax to people who are foreigners to this country sounds absurd!.
@Telcontarnz
@Telcontarnz Жыл бұрын
Fascinating interview
@denyswoodroffe490
@denyswoodroffe490 Жыл бұрын
i don’t care were this name came from. I will always know this country of ours not just 14%, of a multi cultural country of New Zealanders.
@noshadow8282
@noshadow8282 2 жыл бұрын
The treaty used Nu Tirani in the 1840s to identify the land of New Zealand, Maori accepted Nu Tirani or New Zealand in English so why is changing now in post modern era?
@robflange
@robflange 6 ай бұрын
The Maori version of the treaty doesn't mention the word Aotearoa --which is odd Nor does the English version I was told by an elder that Aotearoa was in reference to one of the Waka Aotea from the Maori Migration fleet which landed in the North Island New Zealand is the name of the new nation that was created by the treaty when many peoples became one Under one name , one rule of law , one language with every person having equal rights
@johnburnett3942
@johnburnett3942 2 жыл бұрын
Remember, people have the power, every 3 years. But every day with a boycott. To media you don't agree with. If you want a name change, ask the people. Otherwise build bigger fences at Wellington.
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 10 ай бұрын
Have you noticed our passport name changes? It used to have NZ on the front, then Aotearoa was added underneath in smaller letters, now its Aotearoa at the top with NZ in small letters underneath, nek minit NZ will be removed!
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Wow, really fuckin hard to pronounce! (Dumbass)
@stevehughes1510
@stevehughes1510 Жыл бұрын
This Labour Govt and some Maori interpret things the way they want according to what narrative they're spinning that day. I get sick and tired of the constant change of stance they have from year to year, if you watch the money trail it's easy to tell though, feeding from the trough is their way unfortunately and Labour splashes the dollars around liberally in Maori's favour that's for sure.
@JC-AussieDocos
@JC-AussieDocos Жыл бұрын
oh ew, people talk like this about the indigenous people over there, too? They talk like this about Australians first people too. "follow the money" pfffffffffffft. Have some respect for the people of the land that you live on...So gross to basically call them money scabs. You devastate their land and impose systems on everything where money is the only way to survive and then when they need some of it you judge them, get outta here...
@lindamckenzie6500
@lindamckenzie6500 Жыл бұрын
Yes and l find this really annoying ....
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
You actually going to elaborate or you just gonna rant like a madman all day?
@stevehughes1510
@stevehughes1510 7 ай бұрын
@@IcchiNutz Over the last year. The change of Govt has put the Labour largesse to rest thank God, no more handouts that aren't justified.
@masksarelies391
@masksarelies391 Жыл бұрын
Would we change all our Serviceman headstones around the world?
@kjr2868
@kjr2868 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that when the Guest started to say things the host didn't agree with, he interrupted/spoke over him ... that to me describes the way Media override public opinion! My view on our name as New Zealand ... I knew it was from a dutch explorer hadn't realized he actually said 'Staten land' ... I did know 'Aotearoa' originally referred to only the North Island! should we have a referendum or not I would say WHY??? seems like a storm in a tea cup discussion to me!
@Marius_vanderLubbe
@Marius_vanderLubbe Жыл бұрын
Yes, more often than not, sean is disappointed that the content the guest brings, is not what he imagined his listeners could latch on to.
@kjr2868
@kjr2868 Жыл бұрын
@@Marius_vanderLubbe Fair comment mate!
@monicasynnott9273
@monicasynnott9273 Жыл бұрын
People from New Zealand were once called New Zealanders, now its Aotearoa they are called kiwis, Its my home and I am a New Zealander not a bird
@stephendickson9000
@stephendickson9000 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone asked what mainlanders think?
@davethewave7248
@davethewave7248 2 ай бұрын
In 1835, the British resdient Busby organized a coalition of mostly northern chiefs into a Confederation called Te Whakaputunga in Maori [this was short-lived and the first step toward the Teaty of Waitangi in which it's mentioned]. Here was the first time that Maori referred politically and geographically to the whole of New Zealand - He Whakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni. Notice that they used Nu Tireni, which is the Maorification of New Zealand. So Maori themselves used New Zealand/ Nu Tireni when referring to the country as a whole.... Aotearoa came a lot later. New Zealand/ Nu Tireni is the right word to use given historical usage.
@questor55
@questor55 Жыл бұрын
We're like an insecure teenager looking at tattoos and piercings as a substitute for actual character growth.
@Kiwi-pp7rg
@Kiwi-pp7rg Жыл бұрын
The way I see it and correct me if I am wrong. You do fight for the flag as that represents sovereignty and therefore Identity ?
@g-mech1244
@g-mech1244 Жыл бұрын
Let the people decide with a vote. Easy.
@jessestevens_aka_jesus
@jessestevens_aka_jesus Жыл бұрын
What is the point of getting an expert on to ask questions and then interrupting them with another question before they've finished answering the first?
@brucegibbins3792
@brucegibbins3792 Жыл бұрын
Time constraints usually and to keep the quest speaker on point.
@LloydTeAu-je1bm
@LloydTeAu-je1bm Жыл бұрын
How come there is no mention of aotearoa in the treaty and the name used for NZ is Nu Tireni.
@eeeaten
@eeeaten Жыл бұрын
i think this was explained in the video? at that time aotearoa was used by some iwi for the north island, but it wasn't used for the whole country. the popularity of aotearoa grew later on and has become the most widely accepted reo maori name for this land.
@martingray6275
@martingray6275 Жыл бұрын
If we ARE going to be coerced to accept and listen to (mostly media so far) insistence on calling NZ 'Aotearoa' and North Island as XYZ and Auckland as Tamaki Makaurau and on and on.. including everyone on TV and Radio (and in my many emails from various bodies and businesses!!!)... then can we AT LEAST have an agreement a) that BOTH names/terms are used (and thus that one group ie English speakers are NOT excluded or dismissed) and b) that when using both names, we use the MAJORITY-used names/terms first... ie English?
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
That's how Māori have been doing it since forever. Māori literally will call a place anything (especially if it is of European origin) E.g Hamilton becomes Hamz, Palmerton North is Palmy, Auckland is A mistake. Heck, where do you guys think "chur" came from? Cheers
@blaksin
@blaksin 4 ай бұрын
Lived in Dubai in 2014-2016 for 3 years. About 20% of people I met didn’t know about New Zealand at all.
@brucegibbins3792
@brucegibbins3792 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Noticing the push back against the use of Aotearoa, people here preferring New Zealand yet with no difficulty in calling New Zealaders Kiwi's mostly with a sense of pride.
@strangecustoms8486
@strangecustoms8486 Жыл бұрын
What's your point calling our selves kiwis has no relevance on changing the country's name at all.
@halbellows8578
@halbellows8578 Жыл бұрын
Just lucky there were still Kiwi birds here by the time the Europeans arrived I guess, most of everything else including other 'indigenous people' had been wiped out.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
​@@halbellows8578wow. You still believe that racist rhetoric? The only thing that walked on two legs before Maori did in Aotearoa were the birds. There is no archaelogical evidence to suggest that any other humans (or even hominids) had ever set foot on these islands prior to the Māori
@philipwilkie3239
@philipwilkie3239 Жыл бұрын
Another good example is Finland - which is known internally by its own people as Suomi.
@bkeepr4246
@bkeepr4246 11 ай бұрын
And by Putin as Russians!
@merledoughty5787
@merledoughty5787 Жыл бұрын
We need the discussion I guess like Britain or United Kingdom maybe as long as both are used here
@michaelstanley8209
@michaelstanley8209 Жыл бұрын
I have more issues with the interchangeable words used in the media and government documents that blend the two languages. Makes it challenging to read and no one outside ( and I suspect the majority inside) this country have any idea what is being written.
@MyRossclark
@MyRossclark 11 ай бұрын
I am increasingly frustrated and annoyed that our nation is becoming Maorified, due to activists, sold-out media and weak-kneed polititians. I live in New Zealand. I am a New Zealander. Any change of name will just be heading down the road to a third world communist state.
@les8518
@les8518 Жыл бұрын
One Maori Chief called the North Island Aotearoa. Around that particular time it was highly unlikely that Maori were interacting with each other on names of the North Island. They were most likely fighting each other. So I cannot agree with the historian. . Doubtful that anyone know the real reason where the name came from.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Kupe's wife - "he ao, he ao, he Aotearoa" Translation- "clouds, clouds, long-ass clouds
@mariag3605
@mariag3605 10 ай бұрын
Under co-governance, 'aotearoa nueva zimbabwe' may become a more honest moniker...
@geoffthompson9058
@geoffthompson9058 Жыл бұрын
There is only one fair answer to this for all people lot this country.a referendum. Nothing else will suffice.
@BobPackard
@BobPackard Жыл бұрын
What happened to your poll on the name of this land?
@Anonymous-c4p
@Anonymous-c4p 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what NZ was called 10,000yrs ago 🤔
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 2 жыл бұрын
It didn't have a name as no human being had set foot on the land. New Zealand/Aotearoa was the last major land-mass in the world to be inhabited by humans.
@jameslast7555
@jameslast7555 Жыл бұрын
According to Maori literature and Science it has always been called Aotearoa 🤣🤣🤣.
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 Жыл бұрын
@@jameslast7555 Always? No it hasn't. I'd be interested to know your reference for that?
@jdrei5080
@jdrei5080 Жыл бұрын
NZ once attached to Goondwana according to history mapping. ??
@kevw2072
@kevw2072 Жыл бұрын
The first inhabitants (Patupaiarehe) called NZ "Pounamu".
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
You have no idea that they are a mythical creature, do you?
@rangikaka4498
@rangikaka4498 Ай бұрын
Yip, NZ ❤❤❤when i went to school..born in the 60s......is AOTEAROA a male or female? and what is their whakapapa..?? which ARIKI do they come from? NZ as i know her ingoa..and with respect Sean, I know that so long as I'm blessed to have our kuia, kaumatua, we have our own historians whom we belong to.
@richardbuttenshaw4749
@richardbuttenshaw4749 Жыл бұрын
Let the guy answer Sean. Stop butting in.
@gregg7617
@gregg7617 Жыл бұрын
😂" Lost in Translation" 😂
@aperaruapeeta4309
@aperaruapeeta4309 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh Sean I'm sure māori never agreed to the name NZ either so what's your answer? We just listen to you and go along with your whakaaro I'm proud kiwi but I don't look at our flag or our countries name and say yes that's me nooo. Sean you won't be hear in 50 years and the name will probably change by then so just enjoy your life and evolve with the change.
@jameslast7555
@jameslast7555 Жыл бұрын
You're a minority so why should you decide?
@ronaldwarren1267
@ronaldwarren1267 Жыл бұрын
Call the country what you like to me it is and always will be new Zealand put it on concensus which is going out soon
@geoffmorgan2794
@geoffmorgan2794 Жыл бұрын
Their signatures on the treaty would prove otherwise!!!!!
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 10 ай бұрын
You are repeating a degrading statement being made by nasty maoris about old white people being dead soon and colonialism dying with them. Quite the opposite is actually happening we live longer!!
@paniaparata6334
@paniaparata6334 Жыл бұрын
Good! it needs to take another step. The dispute of an ongoing "Research" of moriori and Maori why some pple don't think there is no first race b4 Maori???.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Because there wasn't. The English simply tried using the Moriori to justify their brutal form of colinisation (newsflash, Moriori are still around)
@susanpockett4314
@susanpockett4314 3 ай бұрын
Well what do you expect an academic to say? He's more than likely to lose his job if he agrees with 90% of the country. I think it's an outrage that the Labour/Green/TPM govt simply changed the name of the country, in a disgustingly manipulative way, without asking the permission of the citizens. We chucked them out with a resounding thud as soon as we could electorally. Their manipulative name change should go the same way.
@masksarelies391
@masksarelies391 Жыл бұрын
And for the vast majority of our recorded written history, maori were quite partial to Maoriland. Never discussed that, did this "historian" Nor did he acknowledge that the word was only used by a small minority in the North Island.
@markwilson9935
@markwilson9935 6 ай бұрын
Thankfully, even if there is an official name...you can still call it what you want!.Awesome.
@dunedincfc6734
@dunedincfc6734 Жыл бұрын
Again, Māori being referred to as indigenous when they are not.
@eeeaten
@eeeaten Жыл бұрын
look up the definition of indigenous in anthropology.
@dunedincfc6734
@dunedincfc6734 Жыл бұрын
@@eeeaten Māori are indigenous to Polynesia and settled New Zealand after migrations probably in the 13th century.
@eeeaten
@eeeaten Жыл бұрын
@@dunedincfc6734 look. It. Up.
@berniefynn6623
@berniefynn6623 Жыл бұрын
I remember aotearoa being used at times in the fifties, only by way of what the maori called this land when seen from the sea and NOT a universal name, why would they need to name this pace and the land was inhabited by a variety of tribes, NO cohesive people.
@tribalwar9971
@tribalwar9971 Жыл бұрын
Eggs on toast Will always be eggs on toast Even with bits of shell in it
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Okay, so Aotearoa it is
@Twobears858
@Twobears858 2 жыл бұрын
What happened to Te Ika A Maui?
@stephenlennon7369
@stephenlennon7369 2 жыл бұрын
That means the North Island and Te Waipounamu is the South Island
@peterthepakeha2799
@peterthepakeha2799 2 жыл бұрын
I thought Maui brought up NZ ?
@stephenlennon7369
@stephenlennon7369 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterthepakeha2799 soooooooooo????
@peterthepakeha2799
@peterthepakeha2799 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahah
@NewZman23
@NewZman23 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterthepakeha2799 In legend he did. But in fact we know he physically didn't. The legend is a metaphor. To learn more, may I suggest you go to see the excellent Kiwi movie WHETU MARAMA and be enlightened by the late and inspiring Sir Hek Busby. Kia ora. 🙂
@1Ma9iN8tive
@1Ma9iN8tive Жыл бұрын
Ēhara ko ēnei tāngata he tohunga i te reo māori me ōna tikanga me te whakapapa e pāna ki tēnei ingoa mai i Kuramārōnui mā runga te waka ko Matawhaorua. Waiho tēnei korero no tuaukiuki mō ngā mātanga a te reo kairangi.
@DW_Kiwi
@DW_Kiwi Жыл бұрын
What does the Maori Treaty document say for the name for "New Zealand" Its NOT Aotearoa. Its Nu Tirani.
@graemelee5701
@graemelee5701 Жыл бұрын
ABC to Z. Great use of the English Alphabet has served ANZ well.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Yet you bastards still use it incorrectly. To the point not half of you can say "Māori"
@aperaruapeeta4309
@aperaruapeeta4309 2 жыл бұрын
Tea = is white in māori Mā is white as while or clean or shy depending on the context.
@jameslast7555
@jameslast7555 Жыл бұрын
Who cares??????????????????
@whatthe6532
@whatthe6532 Жыл бұрын
So does ao = cloud
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
​@@jameslast7555your mum
@jameslast7555
@jameslast7555 7 ай бұрын
@@IcchiNutz 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😇
@whaeacherry
@whaeacherry 6 ай бұрын
Isn't it interesting how many people of a certain demographic group who speak english, seem to be authorities of words that are not english in origin?
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 6 ай бұрын
English created te reo
@whaeacherry
@whaeacherry 6 ай бұрын
@@StGammon77 😂 ko tenei.... hoki mai ki te kura e hoa 🤣🤣
@laneayr6894
@laneayr6894 3 ай бұрын
I was born in a Country named New Zealand, and I would prefer it remain New Zealand. But as a supporter of democracy, I would respect the wishes of a majority of the society, if they wish to change the name. But let's not have cultural change by stealth. Some bureaucrats and I would include much of the media in this group must stop moving their agenda by stealth.
@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj
@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj 6 ай бұрын
I cant find the name Aotearoa in an atlas.I can find the name New Zealand though.
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 10 ай бұрын
Lets make everyone decide once and for all what ethnicity they identify as and make NZdr an official ethnicity rather than just European.
@Tekorekore
@Tekorekore Ай бұрын
I am quite sure the ‘tea’ in Aotearoa is where the white is from. Cook Island Māori still uses that word for white.
@nerfnerfification
@nerfnerfification 6 ай бұрын
When I was young (early 70's) the counter culture called the place 'Godzone' taking the piss out of the 'God's own country' lot but New Zealand it it.
@aerobets1
@aerobets1 6 ай бұрын
My understanding of name Aotearoa is AO= cloud TEA= white (an old maori/polynesian word for white) ROA=Long Hence the translation as LONG WHITE CLOUD
@paulsmith3019
@paulsmith3019 Жыл бұрын
Aotearoa was first used by the initial migration (Kupe) and it directly translated to land of the long day, which when you came from the islands which were close enough to the equator that days were only 12 hours long, come down to the southern pacific and now the daylight hours are more like 15 to 18 hours long. it makes sense yet our modern historians (if thats what they are called) seem to toally ignore this.
@djhemirukahemisphere8893
@djhemirukahemisphere8893 Жыл бұрын
Umm which part is Day? Ao: land Roa : Roa Te: the A (belonging term)
@paulsmith3019
@paulsmith3019 Жыл бұрын
@@djhemirukahemisphere8893 that version of the name came from an account of the the first wave of maori who came to nz in the Kupe Immigration. the refrence to this i found in a 1918 book of NZ Maori and pakeha history. this was used a reference book for many in the time. Te Reo, as you know never had a written form untill colonisation, so much of the history , including word meaning has changed and morphed over the centuries. i am not denying modern maori's Te Reo does not interupt the word exactly the same as the maori from the first wave of immigration of the maori people.
@54Rocketeer
@54Rocketeer Жыл бұрын
@@paulsmith3019 New Zealand works for me, let’s have a referendum shall we?
@strangecustoms8486
@strangecustoms8486 Жыл бұрын
@@paulsmith3019 what a load crap nothing about Maori history is any thing more than Chinese whispers the different tribes cant even agree. Maori history has been written by European academics with the approval of some tribes because it paints them in a good light over the other tribes they were trying to eradicate. European academics just consulted with the dominant tribes and forced it onto the rest of the weaker tribes. And that's our new pc Maori culture we have today academics took a bunch of savage canables and made up a whole culture and now we are all paying through the nose for a load of rubbish end of.
@user-mm8pj4cm8j
@user-mm8pj4cm8j 9 ай бұрын
The media should reflect public opinion not lead it.I live in New Zealand and do not wish to live in Aoteroa
@MrGreedam
@MrGreedam Жыл бұрын
New zealand
@johnshanks251
@johnshanks251 Жыл бұрын
I have heard that the name was come up by a white man that need to have a name for a book he was writing so had nothing to do with maori.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
You heard wrong
@geoffhughes225
@geoffhughes225 3 ай бұрын
Thar which we call a rose,by any other name will smell as sweet
@delinquentinparadise
@delinquentinparadise Жыл бұрын
It was the NZ Post Office that asked Māori for the original place names in the early 1900’s because the Māori language was in danger of dying out. Very few Māori spoke the language other than those in the remoter parts of the countryside. Of course Māori humour is such that there were many Kai Iwi’s that suddenly appeared on NZ maps.
@kiwicodger
@kiwicodger Жыл бұрын
The people of the Tuamotu Archipelago where a number of ancestoral canoes probably came from, refer to NZ as Ruterangi. Perhaps this name which has more historical significance than Aotearoa should be considered? kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5y9gYqleNiAn5I and kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoWcdnV9nKZkmc0 for more information
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
Or you could just listen to the people that actually lived here the longest. Instead of everyone else
@kiwicodger
@kiwicodger 7 ай бұрын
@@IcchiNutz check out the links in my original comment, or have you done that already?
@MsMounen
@MsMounen Жыл бұрын
I thought you'd started calling it Aotearoa years ago. It seems like you're discussing things that have been going on in your country for some time, for the first time. Have you talked about 'positive discrimination' yet? I think that started in the 90s.
@Starlight-mp4pk
@Starlight-mp4pk 11 ай бұрын
You thought wrong.
@MsMounen
@MsMounen 11 ай бұрын
@@Starlight-mp4pk I lived in New Zealand in the 80s and 90s. I know for certain 'positive discrimination' happened in the 90s. I can remember people using the name Aotearoa. Not all the time, I think it was a new thing at that point.
@Starlight-mp4pk
@Starlight-mp4pk 11 ай бұрын
@@MsMounen hi, the point I was trying to make is simply that it’s use has escalated in the last few years - and it’s being imposed on us (used in the MSM and even official government documentation) by stealth. That never used to happen.
@stugryffin3619
@stugryffin3619 7 ай бұрын
10:13 haha poor Paul. He's like "I'm just a historian.. don't pull me into politics pleaaaaase". He dodged well.
@bobarmstrong4403
@bobarmstrong4403 Жыл бұрын
Just use New Zealand Aotearoa. No need for angst or nit picking nonsense..
@ChrisMartin-pu6cv
@ChrisMartin-pu6cv 3 ай бұрын
What really is happening is a bunch of professional victims screwing things up like a 5 year old having a tantrum.😡
@stevenstuart1442
@stevenstuart1442 Жыл бұрын
seems you have stayed away from discussing the Maori names for the north and south island and their relevance to the conversation...Te Ika Maui and Te Waipounamu....poor interview piece Shaun...
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 10 ай бұрын
Te is the, it was post European it uses our Alphabet because maori had no written language so cannot be official it's made up
@MichaelKindley-or4zm
@MichaelKindley-or4zm 8 ай бұрын
I think Paul Moon is incorrect. I believe the Māori oral history. According to Māori it was Kupes wife who saw nz first and called it Aotea. The roa was added by pakeha journalists.The pre Māori people of nz called the country Nukuroa.
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
He ao, he ao, he aotearoa Translation: clouds, clouds, long-ass clouds.
@umumclean8161
@umumclean8161 6 ай бұрын
The country should be referred to as Aotearoa, it is the land where Maori people originate from. Aotearoa was called New Zealnd by a Dutch explorer Abel Tasman, but he found people already living here, the Maori people. Pacific Islanders including Tahitians, Tongans, Rarotongans, Hawaiians, Samoans and other South Pacific Island nations refer to Aotearoa. Why, because all of these Island people including Aotearoa have things in common. Their languages are similar, cultural aspects are similar, stories are similar. More so than with Pakeha culture. In Aotearoa their is no Pakeha culture, unless you are Irish, Scotish etc. There was huge objection raised mainly by the Pakeha community when Hinewehi Mohi sang the Maori version of the National Anthem at some International Sport Event a few years ago, today the National Anthem is sung all over the World, Maori version first, so what is the problem. The problem is these matters are perpetuated by unhappy racist Pakeha, and supported by shyt stirring racist independent media platforms like this one. Just because there is amajority of white people currently residing in Aotearoa doesn't give you the right to demonise or degrade the Maori language, Maori people, Maori culture or Maori history. Aotearoa (NZ).
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 6 ай бұрын
That's why we're voting you back into line
@harveyRickard
@harveyRickard 3 ай бұрын
Shaun,how about inteviewing a Putupairehe person . Heaps of them (the nghi hotu) to be found around Tauramanui. When they arrived here in about 236ad they called this land Nukarua. meaning ,"The far away Did Able Tasman ask them if he could change the name.I doubt it.
@mikemcgee1040
@mikemcgee1040 Жыл бұрын
It’s very rare the that a professor is this interesting and I think it’s very clear that media that are taking money from the government ( nz on air….. ) are being told to use Aotearoa. My view is this it’s free speech if you want to call it Aotearoa go for it if you want to call it Middle Earth I’ll think your a dork but fill your boots For me it’s New Zealand and no one will tell me or even force me to say other wise unless I’m also using my free speech and at the same time I’ll not ask anyone to alter their speech.
@StGammon77
@StGammon77 10 ай бұрын
The correct translate for New Zealand is Nu Tireni
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
No it's not. That is a transliteration. Go back to school and relearn English
@RabidRod
@RabidRod Жыл бұрын
I take issue of the historians use of the word 'indigenous' - Maori are NOT indigenous, the original meaning "originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native" not the woke bulls**t new definition "(of people) inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists." - suddenly the colonist work is added to definitions to justify their cr*p.
@williamthomson2648
@williamthomson2648 Жыл бұрын
Both names acceptable officially we are new zealand but in more common usage these days is Aotearoa by design or not it is the way
@geoffmorgan2794
@geoffmorgan2794 Жыл бұрын
I for one would certainly like to See where this was written down by this so called Maori!!!!
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
If I were to follow this logic, Game of Thrones is not a fictional universe. Just because it exists in writing doesn't make it true
@Noote54
@Noote54 Жыл бұрын
He is the opposite of what Michael King put in his book History of NZ
@brutallyremastered4255
@brutallyremastered4255 Жыл бұрын
The apposite? Then that’s great two historians in a small country agree.
@Starlight-mp4pk
@Starlight-mp4pk 11 ай бұрын
FFS stop calling us “kiwis”. It’s infantilising and cringeworthy. I’m a New Zealander, not a bird or 🥝 .
@IcchiNutz
@IcchiNutz 7 ай бұрын
You're a racist too
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