PID Tuning Tutorial : GB130

[@ambermeows150]

Loving these PID tutorials! It's great to hear how one goes about PID tuning and what theyre thinking in their heads. Keep up the quality vids :D

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks so much Amber :D

[@mariussthlm]

Like so much too. This is most helpful vids on youtube :)

[@WindjumbieFPV]

its amazing the little things you point out ive never noticed,thanks for helping me learn PID tuning

[@johngraboski]

And your stick cam makes this GOLD... Thanks!!

[@TheRCAddict]

:D

[@GroFPV]

Really helpful these PID Tutorial videos! Thanks for these awesome videos!!

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad they help! More on the way!

[@clubdredd1337]

This is advanced but helpful in understanding the fundamentals of PId's!

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad it helped :)

[@clubdredd1337]

The RCAddict the key is small adjustments!

[@johngraboski]

Hello! I'm stinkin new and need help deciding on whether I should get the GB130 or the King Kong 130GT... I'm partial to the KK because I already read some very favorable stuff about it but open to ideas

[@TheRCAddict]

I would take the GB130, it has a much better camera, much more powerful, and it will be more durable. Plus building it you will learn so much and how to fix it when you do break it.

[@svin3819]

Ever find out what the wobble was? My new build has it bad. With the emax ls 2207 2400kv.

[@TheRCAddict]

propwahs

[@jussa101]

The wobble may be the motors. People flying red bottoms have said that sometimes the motors may be the issue.

[@TheRCAddict]

Yeah, the balance of them didn't seem perfect, so it could be :)

[@xavierayayaell546]

These videos are so useful, thank you.

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad you liked them!

[@kostasganosis8019]

I forgot to say.. excellent video and nice explain man keep going

[@TheRCAddict]

=D

[@RahmatHidayat09]

yesterday I got the same issue, a lot of vibration on the camera despite how hard I tuned it. It turned out that the camera sensor was bad, and the problem was solved by changing the camera.

[@TheRCAddict]

Yeah, one of the last things I could try would be swapping the camera, but it isn't that huge of an issue haha.

[@HalberUngar]

very special thanks for work! nice flying and with quanum 2! great

[@TheRCAddict]

:)

[@riku1050]

No Expo on Pitch/Roll? Is this more of a feel factor? Most tunes I that I find posted online have at least .60 expo so that center stick isn't so sensitive.

[@TheRCAddict]

Betaflight uses super expo rates by default, so it is built in through the rate value. :)

[@aliens99xx74]

I have a 3 inch I put together, I noticed that when I hover it I can hear oscillations , any ideas on how to fix that

[@TheRCAddict]

Your P and D gains are way too high.

[@aliens99xx74]

cool thanks ill check it out ,

[@aliens99xx74]

the link to your patreon page doesnt work

[@TheRCAddict]

I took it down for various reasons.

[@E-LUV]

what does the two sets of numbers on motors mean?

[@TheRCAddict]

1306 4000kv? the 13 in 1306 is how large the diameter of the stator is, which is the part in the middle which the wires are wound around. The 06 in 1306 is how tall the stator is. All measurements in mm. The 4000kv means that it will produce 4000rpm per volt applied.

[@gusf8451]

I was trying your pids, and for some reason betaflight will not save my PID's , as soon as I disconnect the quad I connect back and the PIDs are back to stcok, I'm puzzled. and it's happening with two different quads, a 130 and a 210

[@TheRCAddict]

Hmm, what versions of BF are you running on them? If they are older than 2.8.1 (I think) thy will not work properly with the BF config. I recommrnd going to 3.1.5

[@gusf8451]

The RCAddict never mind I didn't know that you have to go back to the config tab and save and reboot again after saving in the pid tab or is that abnormal? it was the only way I was able to make them stick

[@gusf8451]

The RCAddict it is 315 btw

[@TheRCAddict]

Gus F Hmm, shouldn't need more than a save, but if that works I guess. haha

[@baverona]

great idea putting the rx in the side of the goggles like that, i did the same thing after i saw that!

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks :) Took me a while how to figure out how to mix what adapters I had, and get the patch pointing outwards :D

[@WarrenTheophilus]

great video keep up the good work

[@TheRCAddict]

:)

[@mikefpv6333]

Could you do a 220 martian 2 frame

[@TheRCAddict]

My tuning video on the MQC Fusion is coming out monday, and they are fairly similar frames so maybe check that one out. What electronics are you using?

[@jebrc]

i watch your channel a lot i absolutely love it but im having some trouble tuning a few micros i have 1 that seems to be getting hot motors and one that has a twitch and hot motors while watching your videos i seen you were flying at a place local to me Buzzard field in Mill Hall if your local to that i was wondering if there's anyway you could help me with tuning i can build all day and love to do so but i have no clue how to tune any help would be great thanks man

[@TheRCAddict]

Buzzard is where our race are yes. What FC are you using?

[@jebrc]

@@TheRCAddict well on the one with the twitch was a spracing f3 i swapped it out cuz it started doing death rolls alot i put a revo in it and its still doing it so im thinking esc and the one with the hot motors is a hglrs f428 stack im a cancer surviver so my funds are supper limited after the cancer i was left with a seizure disorder and living on disability so 750 a month dont go far so i cant just go buy new stuff i really wish i could but i dont have it like that but i thank you for all you do i love the channel and im close to buzzard i live in jersey shore pa but any help would be great thanks again i think we are now friends on facebook if its easier to chat that way just shoot me a pm james buck sr

[@TheRCAddict]

What motors? I don't think it's the esc.

[@jebrc]

@@TheRCAddict i changed the escs the deathroll is now gone but motors are still getting hot the are racerstar 1407 3500kv its flying ok now tho next to the motors getting hot and the 3 inch the motors on that are new they are the bee motor 1108 5000kv they just get hot

[@brandonmai8893]

How is the flight time with the 850 mah batteries? I saw that in your maiden you set a timer for 2 minutes, is that the most time you get from the batteries?

[@TheRCAddict]

I get about 2-4 mins, totally depends on how you fly.

[@brandonmai8893]

The RCAddict sweet! thanks for the help! I was also wondering, what pids did you end up keeping with the quad?

[@TheRCAddict]

Brandon Mai The ones I show in the video here.

[@mikecapps8723]

What state are you in ? Great videos your material is the best straight forward PID explanations , North Carolina here

[@TheRCAddict]

PA. Thanks so much Mike! The one I have coming up on the MQC Fusion I REALLY like. The tune came out easy and I feel like it is way better at being instructional than this or previous ones haha.

[@mikecapps8723]

The RCAddict , i have family in Gettysburg and near Limerick Nuclear Power plant my uncle works there.stay in touch my email is [e-mail]

[@kostasganosis8019]

thanks for the pids bro I fly tomorrow with them... I have hot motors after flights is this normal???

[@TheRCAddict]

If your motors are so hot they burn your fingers they are too hot. On these tiny motors at such RPM they are always going to get warm/hot. Just as long as they aren't pushing the upper limits they should be fine.

[@kostasganosis8019]

Yes some times burn my fingers You think with all that filters on b.f. Can I fix it a little?? And I forgot to say that I have the kit blades 30-30-45 and I think is too much pitch so hoter motors

[@TheRCAddict]

Kostas Ganosis Maybe, I have never changed any of the filters. you are using 3045 tri props?

[@kostasganosis8019]

Yes the red ones with the kit

[@TheRCAddict]

Kostas Ganosis Ahh, those are too much prop for 4000kv if you ask me. Heavy and aggressive pitch.

[@DarrenScullyUK]

Spent all day chasing identical settings to get a nice tune with a Shuriken X1 (true X) 30A BLHeli_S BF 3.0.1 OneShot 125 2k/1k. In comparison it took 2 batteries to lock my vortex in with BF 3.0.1 and I ended with the X Frame at .8 TPA to actually lock in punchouts, but as you say at full throttle it then flies terrible. I also have annoying vibrations just under half throttle and did about 8 batteries ending close to your numbers but I think the low throttle oscillation is high D...so annoying lol. Someday's they just lock in and you go fly :) Great videos, keep it up!

[@TheRCAddict]

80%! Dang, I bet that sucker dips when you punch it haha.

[@rayjo7408]

Thanks for these great videos! Do you feel that your rates are different from each quad? I have 3 quads and just copying my rates over to the other ones. I noticed your rates are different from some of your other quads you were tuning. Thanks!

[@TheRCAddict]

I use the same rates for all my quads pretty much. Might increase them on a new build as I get better.

[@shadowdude217]

Do you have any experiences in Yaw jumping? When I am doing fast yawing my quad is surging up in the air. I have no idea how to fix this.

[@TheRCAddict]

It could be too high of yaw P gain, but that is unlikley. Try bumping up the "yaw jump prevention" value. It will always be there though, just the nature of the way the yaw works.

[@shadowdude217]

My P gain is at 70 which is pretty normal. I´ve tried messing with the yaw jump prevention from 0 to 80 but have´nt noticed any differences. I get that there will be a jump but mine is literally surging in to the air with maximum throttle. Impossible to fly. Might just throw the quad away haha.

[@TheRCAddict]

Danny_217 7 is acually quite low. What quad is it?

[@shadowdude217]

The RCAddict 70, not 7 :) I´ll post my specs down below FC: DTFc Doge Motors: Rotorgeeks 2204 2300kv ESC: Aikon SEFM 30A BLHeli_S Reciever: X4R-SB This quad is meant for line of sight only

[@TheRCAddict]

Danny_217 Well yeah, 7.0 in old numbers, 70 in new. Still pretty low haha. The escs should be plenty capable of driving the motors well. Not sure why it is doing it so bad :/

[@sulcatavid7918]

Nice tutorial bro... Really helpful.

[@robertcortijo3353]

hey are you in nh?? those hills look like mt monadnock

[@TheRCAddict]

I am in PA :)

[@dIIFEO]

Hi do you know any good PID for the GB190?

[@TheRCAddict]

That is a 5inch pure X quad right? Should be fairly close to the GB-X210.

[@dIIFEO]

The RCAddict Yes, That's correct. Thanks!

[@gumisiek1993]

i domy understend that pid. once you higher them and when it do this just a little bit you lower it than make a bit higher. i want to ask. my quad sometimes dont want to turn on yaw. when i want to turn, he makes counter. when i let yaw free to neutral, he spins in diferrent direct just a bit, than turns the same way i want with no counter. is that pids foult? i fly acro

[@TheRCAddict]

So without you giving input the quad is yawing? Go into the configurator and look at the little model to see which way it is going. Also go into the receiver tab and see what your yaw channel is doing. You may need to add some trim and/or deadband in to keep it from doing that.

[@gumisiek1993]

The RCAddict no! when hover everything is ok. but sometimes when i want to turn it counter my yaw. i need to realese yaw to neutral and after that againt try to turn. on second time it mostly turn with no excuses

[@TheRCAddict]

marcin gumis Man I am sorry, but I can't understand you well enough to know what the problem is.

[@clubdredd1337]

marcin gumis best thing to do is evaluating got threw Clean Flight or Betaflight. You might need to go into your controller/ receiver and switch your controls to reverse. Some of these boards come with reversed YAW and reversed pitch. If you can reset your receiver and drone settings and start from scratch might be better.

[@hippopotamus86]

Which receiver are you using?

[@TheRCAddict]

FrSky X4R-SB here

[@helicrashpro]

No Blackbox? Since I started using Blackbox, tuning is much faster and I get a better final tune.

[@TheRCAddict]

I have never used it no, would take so much time to record and download and review it. I would just rather fly.

[@helicrashpro]

Actually if you get an FC with a micro SD card slot like the Omnibus (what I'm currently using f4 V2) it's really fast and easy to get the logs. It has cut my tuning down drastically. Once you go blackbox you'll never go back.

[@TheRCAddict]

helicrashpro I still disagree. While you are taking out the SD card, reviewing the log, I can just plug it in change the value and flying again. What ever works for you though

[@helicrashpro]

Ya, but knowing what to change is the hard part. I find that I can take 3 minutes to review a BB log and get more accomplished than I can in 5 flights. For instance, in your video it took you several flight to get to the tune you liked, if you used BB you might have been able to get a better tune in half the time. And I also find I can find issues in the tune that I can't determine just by flying, it would take a lot of trial and error, guess work and luck. Whereas BB I can see the issues much easier. Your probably just better at figuring out what changes to make. I like the more obviousness of blackbox.

[@heynowyouarearock]

What receiver are you using for those goggles?

[@TheRCAddict]

Boscam FR632

[@heynowyouarearock]

Is it good in your opinion?

[@TheRCAddict]

It's good, but I much prefer my Aomway Commanders

[@heynowyouarearock]

Cool, I was asking because I have box goggles and I won't be able to afford Aomway commanders anytime soon. Thanks! :)

[@lapscrub2517]

Have you ever wondered if the way we secure our batteries may effect our flights, for instance, your vibrations were in the pitch axis this quad is a low hanging battery mount, one strap center across side to side. Holds centrifugal force more securely in rolls then flips, longitudinally. Could the vibrations be caused by battery sort of pivoting in the battery strap. should try securing both ends of battery some how or wider strap. I don't know just thinking. Great video I need help still in learning pid adjustments, keep up the great work.

[@TheRCAddict]

Good idea, but that is not the case. The battery is very firm, it is just vibrations coming from the motors that the FC can't handle perfectly.

[@bibub1223]

wich ESCs is these?

[@TheRCAddict]

The kit comes with DYS XM10A, but I used 20a little bees.

[@bibub1223]

thanks!!

[@bibub1223]

btw you should do more flying vids with this gb130 its really geart

[@pirateradioFPV]

I've been getting weird stuff into my recommended feed as of lately :)

[@kostasganosis8019]

hey my friend I try your pids on my gb 130 and was excellent thanks my friend keep going and for my very hot motors I say to you it was the escs 12amps with 3s bat it's ok

[@TheRCAddict]

Awesome, so glad they worked well!

[@mikefpv6333]

Sp racing fc 25 amp escs and 2205 s 2600kv emax s motirs

[@TheRCAddict]

OK, your PIDs still be different for sure, but ok to try mine.

[@py2xrf]

thanks!

[@lebasson]

Don't you ever check out your gyro/notch filter settings when trying to smooth out vibrations? Well, you clearly know what you're doing but it's curious to me because I usually pay at least some attention to that if a quad keeps showing vibrations / oscillations. Since you're on BF3.x you could look at finding the right notch filter setting for your quad. Because you have higher kv motors than the default-ish 2300kv, the default notch filter will most likely be off for you. It can really quiet down a quad, wonder if it'll make any difference for you. I'm sure you know how to do this but just to be thorough, you could check out this tutorial: www.propwashed.com/notch-filter-practical-guide/.

[@TheRCAddict]

Yes, I am aware of the notch filters, but I have never bothered to configure them, so thanks for reminding me :) I don't have enough time really to spend tuning each quads filter, but I will try using it if i run into something like this again. Might have to, as the Shuriken X1 I am reviewing is having yaw twitches, and I really want it to fly well haha.

[@lebasson]

What FC is on the Shuriken X1? My usual thing is to soft-mount an FC if having yaw twitches, especially if it's an mpu6500 or mpu9250 target. But yeah, good to hear you haven't fiddled with filtering and notch yet. I'm confident it'll have some impact on this gb130 build.

[@TheRCAddict]

lebasson It's an SPF3 clone variant, so 6050 gyro. It is an all in one built in board, so not the easiest to soft mount. I will try some foam under the escs.

[@lebasson]

Ah, that could indeed help! I was baffled recently to hear that blheli_s esc's could be the cause of jitters in an fc. Soft-mounting esc's might just help! Hope you'll keep us updated on your findings.

[@TheRCAddict]

lebasson Yeah, I will put some foam under them right now and try, so if you respond here again I should have the results haha.

[@QuadCraze]

nice tune, and umm nice goggle mods lol

[@TheRCAddict]

Lol it was cheap. PITA to figure out though.

[@minonim8749]

Like and commented

[@TheRCAddict]

:)

[@glenlovelace9242]

yea rc your ready to race put that track up u might get approach by a sponsor like Charpo if u want to go that far. p.s my brother in law frend got divorce he need to get rid of stuff so he can move back to Texas sold me a traxxas aton for $50 and gave a proto x for mini for free aton nice like a Cadillac of quad copters were yours is like a fast Mustang lol...

[@TheRCAddict]

You have to go to races and be publicly fast to get sponsored haha. Very nice of him :)